University shooting at least 32 dead - P/R/S?

[neutron flux]

Just seen this on the news in Virginia - details are sketchy but it seems at least 32 dead - is this a greenbaum mind control victim "gone off" early, or just a disgruntled student?

:confused:

[Anders Lindman]

Oh my god. Horrible. Sounds like an act of a madman rather than a staged problem. In either case, they can use this event to ban all privately owned weapons.

Problem: Horrible event involving "free" citizen using a gun in one of the worst possible ways.

Reaction. "Look at how crazy ordinary citizens can get. This can't go on. Something must be done. What are they going to do about it?"

Solution: Confiscation of all privately owned guns.

[anoninnyc]

yeah, it is pretty horrible. watching fox news actually (yeah, i know) and virginia techs president or dean, something like that is announcing what happened and he said they got a nine-eleven call. since when is a 911 nine one one call ever called nine eleven. just linking us back to more trauma

[heretic]

They will use this to back up the assault weapons ban they are trying to perform.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bill=h110-1022

Edit: that site is VERY VERY busy right now. :)

[thoth]

yeah, it is pretty horrible. watching fox news actually (yeah, i know) and virginia techs president or dean, something like that is announcing what happened and he said they got a nine-eleven call. since when is a 911 nine one one call ever called nine eleven. just linking us back to more trauma

He sure did, what the fuck!

[chester]

Oh my god. Horrible. Sounds like an act of a madman rather than a staged problem. In either case, they can use this event to ban all privately owned weapons.

Problem: Horrible event involving "free" citizen using a gun in one of the worst possible ways.

Reaction. "Look at how crazy ordinary citizens can get. This can't go on. Something must be done. What are they going to do about it?"

Solution: Confiscation of all privately owned guns.

Confiscate won't happen - what will happen is more and more automatic weapons will be placed in the hands of law enforcement units / swat teams, etc. And that when these folks use these weapons (even when what normally would be seen as outrageous mistakes) will be excused based on "nuts like this" and "how would we have ever known?"

This will not cause LESS guns, instead it will bring forth more and more guns into the hands of law enforcement along with more and more rights for these folks to use them.

[Anders Lindman]

since when is a 911 nine one one call ever called nine eleven. just linking us back to more trauma

Interesting observation. The mass media no longer so easily can have their "subliminals" unexposed.

[Anders Lindman]

This will not cause LESS guns, instead it will bring forth more and more guns into the hands of law enforcement along with more and more rights for these folks to use them.

More guns to the authority perhaps, but perhaps the beginning of the confiscation of guns owned by ordinary citizens, like the stepping-stone H.R. 1022, heretic wrote about.

[turquoisefyre]

no one around me wants to believe that this is the work of the NWO and that they are trying to disarm the American people. this is going to cause some more serious headaches for the awakened.

even when i was talking to a German guy and reminded him what happenned to zhe Germanz when they got disarmed, he just smurked it off...:mad:

[falseflag]

Just heard that '9/11' (emergency) comment, thought exactly the samething 'what the fuck'.
As well as more gun control, I can see various degrees of bio-metric, scanner identity, entry systems being introduced, if there not already.

[anoninnyc]

no one around me wants to believe that this is the work of the NWO and that they are trying to disarm the American people. this is going to cause some more serious headaches for the awakened.

even when i was talking to a German guy and reminded him what happenned to zhe Germanz when they got disarmed, he just smurked it off...:mad:

this is painfully obvious to me. and the sad thing is you are right, i havent spoken to anyone about this yet, but i already just know the reactions i will get. guns are evil bs.

[chester]

More guns to the authority perhaps, but perhaps the beginning of the confiscation of guns owned by ordinary citizens, like the stepping-stone H.R. 1022, heretic wrote about.

Ahhh I should have framed my prediction by saying "in the near term" In the longer run, I agree with you - that will be one of the end game moves.

H.R. 1022 - yep - step by step

[Anders Lindman]

As well as more gun control, I can see various degrees of bio-metric, scanner identity, entry systems being introduced

Oh shit. That's certainly possible. There will be airport security in schools and other public places in America, and Europe and the rest of the world will copycat that.

[thoth]

If you look at the deadliest school shootings in America, it reads like a whos who of numerology:

Columbine 1999 (666) 12 killed + 2 shooters 23 injured. 23 is magical to em'.
Atlanta, Georgia 3-25-1996 4 killed
Washington 2-2-1996 (666)
3-23-2005 Minnesota 10 killed
8-1-1966 (666) in Texas Charles Whitman

And there are more!

[Anders Lindman]

They already have this article called "Campus killings may restart gun violence debate" out:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1632819820070416?src=041607_1528_TOPSTORY_sho oting_rampage

[cheeb]

Why this attachment to guns so much
Perhaps if it wasnt in the constitution about the right to bear arms this sort of thing would be much less common

Maybe then these people would have to settle their differences in other ways

like over a pint ,or at worst in a pub carpark at chucking out time ,the outcome of this is usually a fat lip, black eye and bruised ego
(although i have seen worse)

You put guns into any equation and you enter a whole new ballgame

I say ban guns worldwide,that includes all police and all armies

[earthseed]

It's 33 dead now that should be an obvious message. First we went from
32nd degree to 33rd degree. Remember what Maxwell said? They like to tell the victim who they are and what they did. Another alter was triggered this will lead into less rights for us all.

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

This is definitely Problem Reaction Solution......"The Powers That Be" want the people in the USA disarmed..........In the UK the people have already been disarmed this happened after the Dunblane massacre.....which was another Problem Reaction Solution carried out by the mind controlled freemason Thomas Hamilton.

You see time is running out for "The Powers That Be".....the people are waking up.....the truth is coming out about 9/11......their plan for a New World Order......is looking a bit shaky to say the least.

"The Powers That Be" want the people unarmed and defenceless so they can take their gloves off and move in against the people......its the only way they are going to be able to hang on to power in the long run......just think about all the detention camps springing up all over the U.S.A.....these camps are not for terrorists they are for the citizens of America who are going to stand up for freedom against the "The Powers That Be".

So you guys in America need to be wise to this......don't buy this bullshit!!!!

Love
&
Peace

[tinmenace]

If you look at the deadliest school shootings in America, it reads like a whos who of numerology:

Columbine 1999 (666) 12 killed + 2 shooters 23 injured. 23 is magical to em'.
Atlanta, Georgia 3-25-1996 4 killed
Washington 2-2-1996 (666)
3-23-2005 Minnesota 10 killed
8-1-1966 (666) in Texas Charles Whitman

And there are more!

Yeah, wow! Numerology can never be discounted. For real!

But, I like what you said about the VIRGIN-ia killings. So ritualistic, and then he happens to kill HIMSELF. How convenient!

I think this is a mind-controlled diversion from Corzine whom I believe was going to expose 9/11 at the press conference with Imus. Corzine was seriously injured in a motorcade accident. So, to me this looks like a huge diversion, which will keep the media busy busy about all kinds of crap when the real issue quietly slips into obscurity.

[anoninnyc]

Hi,

This is definitely Problem Reaction Solution......"The Powers That Be" want the people in the USA disarmed..........In the UK the people have already been disarmed this happened after the Dunblane massacre.....which was another Problem Reaction Solution carried out by the mind controlled freemason Thomas Hamilton.

You see time is running out for "The Powers That Be".....the people are waking up.....the truth is coming out about 9/11......their plan for a New World Order......is looking a bit shaky to say the least.

"The Powers That Be" want the people unarmed and defenceless so they can take their gloves off and move in against the people......its the only way they are going to be able to hang on to power in the long run......just think about all the detention camps springing up all over the U.S.A.....these camps are not for terrorists they are for the citizens of America who are going to stand up for freedom against the "The Powers That Be".

So you guys in America need to be wise to this......don't buy this bullshit!!!!

Love
&
Peace



you are absolutely correct, but its all been problem reaction solution. i am in america, and let me tell you, people are brainwashed here, even more so than anywhere else in the world, i will go so far to say. it is so sad.

[_invisibleplane_]

a shame, but seems like prs in full flight...'lets get that security at a high at all uni's now'

fuckin great

[cheeb]

People in the UK were never armed anyway

do you think Infinite Love needs to carry a gun

Why attach yourself to the earthly system of things
Break out of this box "they" keep you in

The good will come out and start the healing......embrace

[i_am]

you are absolutely correct, but its all been problem reaction solution. i am in america, and let me tell you, people are brainwashed here, even more so than anywhere else in the world, i will go so far to say. it is so sad.

Yes from what I have seen and heard, it would appear that way. When I was overseaes last year I was talking to a couple of from Florida who said they don't even get much national news and virtually no international news. Would this be right Tinmenace?

I happened to be having breakfast with another two ladies when the pentagon bs film was released. I commented that all it showed was an explosion. We all knew there was an explosion but it did NOT show any plane. One of them said that no-one was questioning the plane to which I replied, "oh yes. they are!" She was stunned and wanted to know who. When I said the rest of the world, she could not, would not believe me.

[tinmenace]

Yeah, if they created the problem for tighter gun laws, which is not only possible but probable, you have to wonder where the gunman came from. Obviously couldn't be a willing participant, so who is he and where did he come from? Was he mind controlled to carry out the shooting?

[tinmenace]

Yes from what I have seen and heard, it would appear that way. When I was overseaes last year I was talking to a couple of from Florida who said they don't even get much national news and virtually no international news. Would this be right Tinmenace?

I happened to be having breakfast with another two ladies when the pentagon bs film was released. I commented that all it showed was an explosion. We all knew there was an explosion but it did NOT show any plane. One of them said that no-one was questioning the plane to which I replied, "oh yes. they are!" She was stunned and wanted to know who. When I said the rest of the world, she could not, would not believe me.

Yep, that's right. We were in Europe in December and I couldn't believe the difference in what was being reported there versus what swill we get at home.

[mrguitarbear]

33 victims...in Virgin-ia ( as in Virgin sacrifice )...its a terrible tragedy but it stinks of PRS.

[tinmenace]

33 victims...in Virgin-ia ( as in Virgin sacrifice )...its a terrible tragedy but it stinks of PRS.

Right! Pretty weird, eh?

[king]

If you look at the deadliest school shootings in America, it reads like a whos who of numerology:

Columbine 1999 (666) 12 killed + 2 shooters 23 injured. 23 is magical to em'.
Atlanta, Georgia 3-25-1996 4 killed
Washington 2-2-1996 (666)
3-23-2005 Minnesota 10 killed
8-1-1966 (666) in Texas Charles Whitman

And there are more!

I was just thinking of numerology

2007 - 4 - 16

2 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 9

4 + 1 + 6 = 11


so this shooting has the signature of 9/11

[tinmenace]

I was just thinking of numerology

2007 - 4 - 16

2 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 9

4 + 1 + 6 = 11


so this shooting has the signature of 9/11

Holleee! Omg!

[mikeproteau]

everyone needs to spread the word, get on message boards, call into talk radio, get on t.v, and hold up signs saying "verginia shootings were an inside job"

[cheeb]

it is a terrible tragedy

such a waste of potential

so for now, we can only offer our condolencies to the familys who have lost their beloved ones

out of respect,my correspondance will finish on this subject

think on it as you go to sleep tonight

what if it was my brother or sister

[cleft_asunder]

you are absolutely correct, but its all been problem reaction solution. i am in america, and let me tell you, people are brainwashed here, even more so than anywhere else in the world, i will go so far to say. it is so sad.

Bollocks. The English are more brainwashed than anyone else.

[cleft_asunder]

People in the UK were never armed anyway

do you think Infinite Love needs to carry a gun

Why attach yourself to the earthly system of things
Break out of this box "they" keep you in

The good will come out and start the healing......embrace

Oh COME ON, give us a break. You are so naive.

[truthcommission]

it is a terrible tragedy

such a waste of potential
This is all part of PRS social engineering.

You are at the reaction stage.

[rainmaker]

The Senate Judiciary Committee postponed Tuesday’s questioning of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on the firings of eight federal prosecutors, saying the proceedings would be inappropriate in light of the Virginia Tech shootings.

Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy made the decision Monday to postpone the long-awaited hearing that has been considered Gonzales’ last chance to quiet a controversy that has prompted calls in both parties for his resignation.

Leahy said the hearing had been rescheduled for Thursday. He said he made the decision after conferring with Gonzales and the committee’s senior Republican, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. ”All three of us agree,” he said.

”I’m sure that he will want to be dealing with the matters of the shooting,” Leahy said of Gonzales.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/breaking-gonzales-testimony-postponed/

[tk__]

Just seen this on the news in Virginia - details are sketchy but it seems at least 32 dead - is this a greenbaum mind control victim "gone off" early, or just a disgruntled student?

:confused:

can't prove anything, really. and if you don't get the story within the 1st 24 hours, its all speculation after that. soemtimes, though, its not mind control, just pissed off students acting on their pissed off-ness - pissed at the world, grades, parents, etc.

[tk__]

it is a terrible tragedy

such a waste of potential

so for now, we can only offer our condolencies to the familys who have lost their beloved ones

out of respect,my correspondance will finish on this subject

think on it as you go to sleep tonight

what if it was my brother or sister

good point.

[truthsupplier]

The "new and improved" Columbine aiming towards the same objective, using basically the same formula (slight alterations... older student, one shooter not two, Asian decent not Anglo) and getting the same results... a compound Duh, how could this have happened?

Look for the new "Legislation" on amending the Second Amendment Rights, an astounding increase in "Big Brother" activities (especially the camera aspect, The Brits proved it is possible to monitor ALL the populace in "controlled environments" like any City where approval is given for the intrusion into your lives) and the Lobbyists are freshly armed with substantial new "reasoning" to sneak in some real sweet Pork in the bill, nice huh?

All the elements of a "good conspiracy theory" are present, and no one to counter any attacks... sweet conditioning of a populace I say. Mix in the possibility of psycotropics (Paxil, etc.), cell phone radiation (not sufficiently tested in coordination with "mood altering/Anti depressant medications") the towers are so plentiful, you gotta be really in the sticks to loose connection (or a tunnel, etc.), blood and gore training (the "shock factor" involving death and bloodletting) is perfected where kids would rather kill something or somebody than read a book or watch a PG video.

Surprised that it took this long to apply ample "smoke and mirrors" to mask the upcoming disrespect for those either serving overseas now or scheduled to deploy... not really. It had to be a biggie, but on a more "personal" level... different shock and awe, same reaction... go numb and cry. If it upsets you, go do your own "fix" of anti-depressants, true being numb doesn`t hurt (immediately, at least), but what are you missing while "comforted" by your pharma-cocktail... watching your kids grow up or attending to plans for their their funeral? The choice of it being a flag draped coffin, or an overdose... not much of a choice, huh?

[cleft_asunder]

You know, now that I think about it I realise that ALL school shootings must be mind control. I used to be depressed and suicidal, and the last thing a person like that wants to do is to kill OTHERS before he dies. This is because of the fear of repercutions in the afterlife. I don't care if you're Athiest, or a Nihilist, you would be too affraid to kill anyone before you died. So when you go on a school shooting, it's like you've decided to commit suicide, because you will end up dying most likely. Plain suicide is hard enough. It takes LOTS of balls to pull even a trigger because of the fear of the unknown. But to have the nerve to kill people before you died... I don't think so.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[truthcommission]

...not much of a choice, huh?
Pretty grim picture you paint but very true in many respects.

Of course as per usual the public will be fed some line of crap and distracted from the real story.

[anoninnyc]

Bollocks. The English are more brainwashed than anyone else.

not in my opinion. but i wont engage in an argument over who lives in the most messed up country, as that is an argument i would prefer to lose. there is no denying that both england and the usa are messed up.

already i hear the pro-gun control voices in the media and internet chatrooms. i know violence is not the answer and all that, but it sure does make the government have an easier go of it, when shit hits the fan. not sure if gun control is the big prize though. on the news it was said that gw university in d.c. was on high alert and there was a pic of a scary looking police guy (but scarier uniform) w a dog patrolling. i think that this is more the aim.... the police state....

[tinmenace]

University President Charles Steger told reporters Monday night that police found the front doors of Norris chained shut and that by the time they got to the second floor, the gunfire stopped.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html Last paragraph under "Person of Interest"





What I want to know is; Did he bring the chains with him, or do they have chains lying around at the doors? This will tell us a lot about how much planning and premeditation went into this. I just can see someone come with enough chain to securetwo doors (according to the statement by the sheriff on CNN):confused:

[tru3]

You know, now that I think about it I realise that ALL school shootings must be mind control. I used to be depressed and suicidal, and the last thing a person like that wants to do is to kill OTHERS before he dies. This is because of the fear of repercutions in the afterlife. I don't care if you're Athiest, or a Nihilist, you would be too affraid to kill anyone before you died. So when you go on a school shooting, it's like you've decided to commit suicide, because you will end up dying most likely. Plain suicide is hard enough. It takes LOTS of balls to pull even a trigger because of the fear of the unknown. But to have the nerve to kill people before you died... I don't think so.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

i agree, c.a. my depression had to do with the pain of being here. it had nothing to do with anyone else, despite massive abuse at a young age. my suicidal tendencies involved solo fantasies; i believed i was a horrible enough person, and to add murder to the list would have been unthinkable.

[mad1]

It was also the Pope's 80th birthday today, where tens of thousands celebrated it in Rome..

It was Holocaust Memorial Day in Israel today, where tens of thousands marched in remembrance..

It was announced 2 days ago that Bush is going to Rome in June, to meet with the Pope for the first time...

Of course it's also the upcoming anniversary of OK City and Columbine, 2 events which also had government fingerprints and CIA mindcontrol written all over it...

4/16=11
2007=9

Another 911.. There is NWO STINK all over this sick lie...

We all better go watch Loose Change when it comes out in theatres, and support Alex Jones... Those are the only solutions that have been offered so far, aren't they?

Vote for Obama?

[king]

can't prove anything, really. and if you don't get the story within the 1st 24 hours, its all speculation after that. soemtimes, though, its not mind control, just pissed off students acting on their pissed off-ness - pissed at the world, grades, parents, etc.
but, but....
WHY nothing has been done to get to the root of the problem?

it sure seems that someone wants chaos so that order can be implemented

if you take in consideration that violence, blood and gore is pumped on young people -- what else do you expect?

we can regulate porn industry where not many die from sex (if any)
yet wars, murder and senseless violence is allowed to be pushed in movies, on television and video games, and even on your every day news..

what was the last time you went to the video game store?
what is the percentage of violent, despicable, horrible, inhumane "games"?
something like 95%, right?

why would exposure of youngsters to that be allowed, but naked tits and naked butts forbidden?

which one is more dangerous to psyche of growing teenagers?

I am positive that violence is used to program the children.
as a parent who loves his children my job is to protect my children.
unfortunately, many parents do not see it that way -- they let government/media/schools/'political correctness do that, they allow predictive programming to be shoved on their children, then they whine as what is going on with their children.

but, either way, if this was inside job or something snapped in head of that kid -- the
root of the problem needs to be addressed and the fact that they are not doing it (as usual) is very telling. Not to mention multi billion dollar agencies, what they can do
to get to the bottom of it.

try not paying IRS some money and you will see how they can track your sorry ass down
the pigeon hole, if need be.

i would not be surprised if again couple of policemen just happened to be in area, like happened with Columbine and Canada 'trench coat mafia' mass killings.


and, this is only 4 days before Hitler's birthday and 9/11 as well as 33 is in the numerology related to this crime against humanity.

you do the math...

[fergus78]

This is interesting as it is close to the columbine anniversary, i wonder what or who let this happen as the way the authorities responded between the first and second shootings are very fishy to me, just my opinion tho.

[truthcommission]

Here is an article I came across which was written before the shooting in Virginia.

Can you see a pattern emerging?

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1344.cfm

[rainmaker]

Interesting article. it doesn't necessarily follow that Jesus is the answer though.

Has anyone got a map of ley lines in the US? I used to have a link to those, but the map no longer works. Are these lines along liey lines, anyone know?

Also, where are these guys getting the Haarp energy charts from? Anyone have any clues? I'd like to compare with any that are available to see if this is real data or not.

[truthcommission]

Also, where are these guys getting the Haarp energy charts from? Anyone have any clues? I'd like to compare with any that are available to see if this is real data or not.
Are these the same Endgamers that Bush takes so much inspiration from in his speeches. They seem to have a lot of information on HAARP which is either completely false or is directly from US Intelligence sources.

The same site condemns Harry Potter for introducing kids into the occult but yet seems to have a good understanding of it. What I thought was rather odd was their page on the Freemasons is no longer available.

Do a bit of digging around here (http://www.masonicinfo.com/cuttingedge.htm) and here (http://www.masonicinfo.com/dullestedge.htm) to dig up some dirt.

[tru3]

I am positive that violence is used to program the children.
as a parent who loves his children my job is to protect my children.
unfortunately, many parents do not see it that way -- they let government/media/schools/'political correctness do that, they allow predictive programming to be shoved on their children, then they whine as what is going on with their children.

there ya go, king. that's the bottom line. you care enough about your children to pay attention. i would even hazard a guess, based on some of your posts, that you care enough to set an authentic, positive example for them.

kids smell bullshit ten miles away. they get confused when they hear parental rules based on knee jerk societal norms, then see hypocritical behavior in the home.

add to that a real lack of emotional connection in a large percentage of families, and a liberal dose of fear, and you have a potential mess.

i have a 21 year old son, and i have to admit, in my less aware years, i let my son watch whatever he wanted on tv. i think the only harm it ever did him was kind of a passivity, a lack of intellectual curiosity (but that runs in my family in general lol :rolleyes: ). as for violence, he is one of the most gentle souls you are likely to meet. i just gave him vast amounts of unconditional love, and tried to "walk the walk" as best i could.

socio/psychopathic behavior begins in the home. social programming just twists the knife in deeper.

Children are curious and are risk takers. They have lots of courage. They venture out into a world that is immense and dangerous. A child initially trusts life and the processes of life. -john bradshaw

[turquoisefyre]

this is painfully obvious to me. and the sad thing is you are right, i havent spoken to anyone about this yet, but i already just know the reactions i will get. guns are evil bs.


further more, last night I was on UK MSN forums posting that this is the work of the NWO and it's a psi-ops to disarm . i also put links down so sheeple could go and hopefully make up their own mind instead of soaking up media vomit.

today when i went back to the forums, over half of my posts were simply deleted...

i believe guns are evil too, but "they" can use many other means to kill i.e. sonic sound weapons. thus if people give up their guns, there is more of a chance for the globalist's plans for their police/army to succeed, because you can't shoot the cowradly robocop-geared mofo's.

[narcolepticwatchman]

I'm not saying its an out an out conspiracy and jumping on any bandwagons yet, I need to see more facts, more info about the killer, and possibly more importantly, does anyone benefit long term from this......thats always the biggest clue to me.

The numerology got me, 33 turned up again. The other thing thats interesting is Virginia and the obvious parallels to the virgin, Mary, Isis and Samiramis especially Samaramis, who was linked to the Goddess COLUMBIA ie the statue of liverty etc (Columbine anyone) who is the goddess of war.

Is this a preemptive sacrafice for the commencement of the 3rd world war. Similar in that respect to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster 1 MONTH prior to the invasion of Iraq......If a war starts shortly then can this be coincidence?

I'm told that we bombed Serbia on the day of the Columbine massacre as well......

[masonic3]

yeah, it is pretty horrible. watching fox news actually (yeah, i know) and virginia techs president or dean, something like that is announcing what happened and he said they got a nine-eleven call. since when is a 911 nine one one call ever called nine eleven. just linking us back to more trauma

:rolleyes:

[mrguitarbear]

I think its pretty certain that we have a higher level of violence in our culture than , say , 15 years ago at the beginning of the NWO. Extremely violent video games , violent films and greater media footage of violent events have all contributed to this. In a PS2 game like ' Max Payne ' or ' GTA : San Andreas ' you can easily notch up a bodycount of 800-1000 people - I know because I did ! We are more desensitised to violence these days as a result , there are less scruples about using it as an option , we are more ready to respond with violence than to try talking it out. I'm refering here to ordinary people , there was always a high level of violence associated with gang and criminal culture in previous decades.

The answer is not censorship , but better education to teach kids respect for other people and a determined effort to remove the glamour of gang culture and organised crime.

However we should also note that violence and crime is a symptom of poverty - broken relationships , poor housing conditions and lack of opportunity to better oneself if you are a poor kid. When the polarisation of wealth is so great in Western Society ( the disparity between the wealth of the rich and poor is now greater than at any time since 1929 in America ) its hard for a poor black kid not to want what celebrities have and turn to drug dealing or robbery to get that money.

The reaction is a horrified one from society anyway , demanding a solution.

There are two solutions for the NWO here : the first is another push towards getting kids to turn to Christianity , which is a way of controlling them and keeping them passive. The second is evermore draconian legislation such as curfews , loss of liberties , troops on the streets and so on.

Problem-Reaction-Solution. Welcome to the lovely 21st century ! :rolleyes:

[i_am]

Extremely violent video games , violent films and greater media footage of violent events have all contributed to this. In a PS2 game like ' Max Payne ' or ' GTA : San Andreas ' you can easily notch up a bodycount of 800-1000 people - I know because I did ! We are more desensitised to violence these days as a result

You know, I have been wondering lately if there are subliminals programmed into video games and they are used as a form of mind control. With the technology available I believe it would be easy to programme someone to be triggered. It seems that most of the perpetrators of these violent crimes play violent video games. I don't know about this one but I have read it about others.

[roxanna222]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18149774/?GT1=9246 Hitler did this in Germany, sounds familiar...Took away people's defense

[i_am]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18149774/?GT1=9246 Hitler did this in Germany, sounds familiar...Took away people's defense

Hohum :rolleyes: here we go again. I see little Johnnie jumped on the bandwagon (wanker) Yeah they took the guns off the honest people. The bloody criminals and not-so-gullible have still got theirs.


An independant, non Government sponsored report from 2000

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:


Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

And this, more recently


Recent Reports on Australian Gun Laws - Wednesday 10th January 2007

Three recent important reports on the effectiveness of Australian gun laws should not be overlooked by students of the gun law debate.

In October last year we were informed that two researchers from the Sporting Shooters Association had come to the decision that the many millions of dollars spent on buying-back hundreds of thousands of guns after the Port Arthur massacre had no effect on the homicide rate. This report was published in the respected British Journal of Criminology. According to the Sydney Morning Herald the researchers claimed that statistics gathered in the decade since Port Arthur showed gun deaths had been declining well before 1996 and the buyback of more than 600,000 mainly semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns had made no difference in the rate of decline.

The report's authors, Dr Jeanine Baker and Samantha McPhedran (who have good academic credentials) apparently argued that politicians had assumed tighter gun laws would cut off the supply of guns to would-be criminals and that homicide rates would fall as a result, but, the authors believed that more than 90% of firearms used to commit homicide were not registered, their users were not licensed and they had been unaffected by the firearms agreement.

[thirdwave]

I don't think them stopping people from owning guns would make much difference anyway...

if they get to the point where they want to use force to control the masses... they will have more power than the people and if anything people having guns and using them against the law will give them an excuse to get more heavy handed and just do away with people resisting....

its not as if people owning a gun is going to stop them...

[truthsupplier]

Something I just came across

A number means more then the number it's self


1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy
the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5=11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9+1+1=11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9+1+1=11.
Sheer coincidence..?!

Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2+5+4=11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2+5+4=11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3+1+1+2+4 =11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

''For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allahand lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Still unconvinced about all of this..?!

Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

What do you think now..?!

[siliconpsychosis]

Truly spooky wingdings Truthsupplier. Ive got nins and peedles now.

[i_am]

Truly spooky wingdings Truthsupplier. Ive got nins and peedles now.

Before this goes any further


http://www.snopes.com/rumors/coincidence.asp

[jinjo5]

Im still surprised that no-one has blamed computer games yet.

[rainmaker]

Interesting that Bush has been quoted (on Aussie TV anyway, as part of his speech at Virginia University following the shootings) as saying that it is still a RIGHT for US Citizens to carry a gun..... now why would he come right out and say that right now? They had just recently taken away the right of the students at Virginia to carry guns, even though VA is a gun carrying state, and we all know that this is a possible set up to REMOVE guns. So, let's see how much backpeddaling Bush does in the light of the outcry against what he said.

[whitenight639]

no one has mentioned this yet: if guns get taken of ordinary americans the crime rate will go up in a massive way because crimminals will know average law abidiing joe wont have a gun anymore so is defenceless! and no1 will be able to shoot a crimminal thats commiting a crime!

if i was an american any talk of gun laws would arows my awakeing. its one of the bedrocks of the constitution and we live in more violent times than when they were created, + the fact the looming ww3 / 2012 thing i know id keep mine if i had one!

[something]

Yep 33 dead.. massive sign. Warning students via email (wtf!?!??) seems like they allowed it to happen.

Insane how this kind of thing happens over and over without the media asking questions.

[tinmenace]

Did they seriously wait for two hours before warning them (via email)??

[king]

there ya go, king. that's the bottom line. you care enough about your children to pay attention. i would even hazard a guess, based on some of your posts, that you care enough to set an authentic, positive example for them.

kids smell bullshit ten miles away. they get confused when they hear parental rules based on knee jerk societal norms, then see hypocritical behavior in the home.

add to that a real lack of emotional connection in a large percentage of families, and a liberal dose of fear, and you have a potential mess.

i have a 21 year old son, and i have to admit, in my less aware years, i let my son watch whatever he wanted on tv. i think the only harm it ever did him was kind of a passivity, a lack of intellectual curiosity (but that runs in my family in general lol :rolleyes: ). as for violence, he is one of the most gentle souls you are likely to meet. i just gave him vast amounts of unconditional love, and tried to "walk the walk" as best i could.

socio/psychopathic behavior begins in the home. social programming just twists the knife in deeper.

Children are curious and are risk takers. They have lots of courage. They venture out into a world that is immense and dangerous. A child initially trusts life and the processes of life. -john bradshaw


agree absolutely, it all starts at home.

I wish there were more parents who take responsibility to educate their children and explain what real world is like, and where are the minefields that await us.

because if you do not give children guidance and if you are not always there for them when they need your guidance -- everything goes down the drain hole from that point on because they will have friends and TV as reference points of what is normal what not.

i try my best not to be a protector but to teach them, more like -- show them what the real world is like, what awaits them if they begin to experiment without thinking of consequences and what usually happens if they rebel against parents and family.

and, as you probably know sometimes is so difficult because other parents do not put any such effort.

[king]

Im still surprised that no-one has blamed computer games yet.

because computer games are not the target - but GUNS are.

[rainmaker]

new article at educate-yourself on the shootings:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blackburgexecutions18apr07.shtml

[neutron flux]

It seems there are some puzzling aspects to this such as:

1. Why was there a slow response to the first shootings? No lock down of the campus?

2. What was he doing for two hours in between the shootings?

3. The guns were said to have the serial numbers scratched off yet the receipt was found in his bag, why would he do that?

4. This guy kills more people than the Columbine kids and they had superior firepower! His precision of shooting seems to indicate a highly trained individual, with all victims having 3 bullets in them.

5. They say most of his face was missing due to a self-inflicted wound yet would a 9mm take off your face?

Michael Kennedy, who also graduated from Cho's high school and lived in the same town was involved in another shooting rampage at a Sully District Police Station in Chantilly, Va. in May of 2006. He killed two police officers and then the 18 year old was shot and killed. It's also interesting Chantilly is the home of Dulles International Airport.

It seems on the surface that Cho and Micheal have had Greenbaum programming.

Marc Lépine - the son of an Algerian immigrant - and the massacre that he perpetrated at École Polytechnique in Montreal, which has much in common with the VA Tech massacre:

It's the worst campus shooting in the country's (Canada) history.

He also targeted the engineering department.

Killed himself afterwards.

Left a note. He sounds like he was programmed.


It makes you wonder how many more are gonna "go off" soon.

[aznality]

I was telling a few of my friends about what I think of it. While some of them don't believe it at all, fortunately I have some open minded friends who do think it is possible for him to be mind controlled.

[neutron flux]

Excellent article:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/130645-Project+Paperclip%2C+MKULTRA%2C+Dr.+Greenbaum+and+ Seung+Hui+Cho%3A+Was+the+VA+Tech+Gunman+Mind+Progr ammed%3F

[tinmenace]

I was telling a few of my friends about what I think of it. While some of them don't believe it at all, fortunately I have some open minded friends who do think it is possible for him to be mind controlled.

He was absolutely mind-controlled. This discussion is also raging on another thread. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2850)

Take a look at these photos (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31482&postcount=94), and tell me what you think.

Along with mention of this town by Cathy O'Brien, and these photos that don't make sense, and ALSO how the doors were chained (what? did he carry chains with him?)...and finally two gunshots at suicide....all very strange.