World War 3, Let's get honest...

[ninaandnally]

This thread is for everyone who feels that there is something wrong with the current state of affairs in the global spectrum, but lacks a phrase to define it. The big cover-up is the fact that in reality we are amidst the 3rd world war, so let's not bullshit ourselves. We've got the western hemisphere fighting the eastern hemisphere. Let's have a brief look at the who's who of this fight...
"our" side: US, Israel, The United Kingdom, Australia, Poland and Denmark (and 40 some other non-contributing nations considered part of the coalition of the willing)
"their" side: Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Palestine, China, Cuba and let us not forget our loose dealings with the ruskies.

So, what is my point? Well Christ Almighty, look at how many enemies we've amassed. Have a look at how many countries are at odds and it doesn't take long to see that this is encompassing our entire world.

So let's not kid ourselves. This is World War 3. The next time someone asks you to submit your opinion regarding the "War on Terrorism" you can go ahead and let them know that you see through the buzzwords to the reality of the situation...That we're looking at an open-ended war designed to loosen restrictive laws that are in place to guarantee our continued freedoms and that we're in reality looking down the barrel of a loaded gun. You can tell them that World War 3 is here, that we're entering another great depression and that this time we ARE the Nazis! No more fumbling with the truth. Just say it like it is..."Oh, you mean World War 3...yes I know what it is and the government can't cover it up any longer."

[jvx19]

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[jvx19]

you have to remember, it is not the people who want to fight, bu the criminals in power who do. I do not have an enemy on this earth, just an inadequate few who pretend to represent me.

[empyblessing]

It's just getting started. Right now it's in covert mode, mostly political means. An attack on Iran will initiate Russia's entrance and more open acts of aggression. Russia has billions invested into Iranian oil and bombing Iran will destroy those facilities. The U.S. is now several trillion dollars in debt and most of that is to Chinese held banks. All of the war has been paid for by the Chinese. When the realization that U.S is going to default on those loans China is not going to be pleased. The global image of the United States now is of tyrannical war machine. An attack on Iran will likely form that image into a beast out of control. The rest of the Middle East will. That is if this imminent Iran attack ever occurs.

[jvx19]

doesn't it seem that the US is precisely following the Nazi path? Allowing Russia and China to intervene as liberators.

[empyblessing]

What do you mean?

[jvx19]

Nazis invaded Poland illegally, then Belgium and France. The US has invaded Afghanistan illegally and Iraq, and now plans on invading Iran. At some point some countries will have to stop the US.

[ninaandnally]

We've already gained all the ill repute that the Germans garnered after their notorious tirade. Half the world thinks we're a country of raucous opportunistic invaders using the guise of a holy war to intervene in affairs beyond us in order to seize assets. So much for seperation of church and state. This is typically viewed as a holy war with America backing the "chosen people" (i.e. the Israelites). At least, that's the apparent cover for the current project, whatever the truth of it happens to be. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I demand to know the truth.

[jvx19]

The only issue I have there is associating "Germans" with Nazis. Germans are good people.

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http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/071119_iran.is&nuclearwar.pdf

[empyblessing]

The lynch pin for the whole thing to come to a head is Iran. I'm in the US now. If there's an Iran attack I'll be looking to relocate either rural America or somewhere else. There are a lot of people working against an Iran invasion. With today's announcement of possible impeachment of Bush they'll have less time to implement it under this regime. It's most likely Obama will be president (barring any Diebold miracle) so there will need to be another incident if he's to invade Iran and push the agenda. My belief though is that there will be no Iran invasion.

Also, I forgot about Chavez and Venezuela. The US has been looking to get it's hand on that oil since 9/11.

However, I've been wrong before and could well be wrong. I just hate the idea of this perpetual invasion that never seems to manifest. It screams of fear mongering.

Also, an Iran invasion will more than likely be the downfall of America. With China, Russia, Middle East, Venezuela the western forces would be hard pressed. Not to mention the coming depression in America. It's possible for states to cede from the Union. Poor and broke, no one is going to want to fight a new war. Of course smaller country states will be easier for global UN forces to muscle everyone into a North American Union. That may be the plan, the destruction of the States, weakening of power, collapsing of the economy. It's the waiting that is killer. It gets boring.

[jvx19]

You may very well be right, and I am no better at predicting the future. However, I had the overwhelming feeing to leave the US in February. It was quite hard to come to terms with, but I am following my gut. I sold my car, quit my job and I am leaving this month.

[izzy]

The only issue I have there is associating "Germans" with Nazis. Germans are good people.

ic so the 2ww was fought against the Nazi's not the germans --- u do not know what u r talking about ...

the germans r no more bad or good then anyone else .


plus invading poland caused the rest of europe to get involved because of pre existing pacts between countries ... this is not the same as Afghanistan and Iraq..

u need to read up on your history

[jvx19]

The pact was that if Germany invaded France, then England would defend France. It seems to be the same situation here. If the US attacks Iran, Russia will defend Iran. So I see the same situation. One rogue regime (neo-cons) invading countries illegally just like the Nazi's did.

[izzy]

The pact was that if Germany invaded France, then England would defend France. It seems to be the same situation here. If the US attacks Iran, Russia will defend Iran. So I see the same situation. One rogue regime (neo-cons) invading countries illegally just like the Nazi's did.

seriously you need to check out your history .. parts of France were neutral - which is why Paris was not bombed ..

Vichy France split France in two / half on the allies side half / german ...

It was the situation in Poland that brought the UK into the war ... not France ... not all the German soldiers were Nazi's either .. in fact I think alot of them hated the Nazi's...

So it was wrong to say it was the Nazi's that invaded Poland it was in fact the German Army ...

If you go to the war graves in France you will see German and British etc soldiers buried next to each other ..

The situation in the middle East is very different .. it is still horrific but different ... the situation in the middle East goes back along time .. to the Arab wars ... and when Kuwait was in fact part of Iraq I believe which was why Saddam invaded it in early 90's ..

The middle east situation is complex and very layered .. however horrific the current situation is there .. it is different from the 2ww in many ways ..

Not to mention the fact that about 50 million people died in the 2WW in Europe in 4 years and another 10 million in the global arena ! I believe

I hate war and THERE IS NO excuse for war really ... but the situations are different .. read about it

[jvx19]

Sorry, but is is not different. Germans fought because they were manipulated by the fascist propaganda regime, the nazi regime. American soldiers fight because we are manipulated by the fascist propaganda regime- the neo-cons. Europe is as diverse as the middle east is now. This is the fourth reich. How can any invasion of Iran be justified? It is fascism. There is no difference.

[megafish33]

Who here thinks that Russia and Iran would be able to overpower the United States and it's allies?

[cruise4]

"Who here thinks that Russia and Iran aren't in bed with the United States and it's allies?"

[izzy]

Sorry, but is is not different. Germans fought because they were manipulated by the fascist propaganda regime, the nazi regime. American soldiers fight because we are manipulated by the fascist propaganda regime- the neo-cons. Europe is as diverse as the middle east is now. This is the fourth reich. How can any invasion of Iran be justified? It is fascism. There is no difference.

who is the 4th Reich ? and what has diversity got to do with anything .. america remains the most diverse place in the world I would argue.

and what has all of this got to do with the 2WW .. you just dont know anything about HX..

and cruise 4 i agree with you

[dedicate]

This is one of those scarce interesting threads..

Amerca has taken a turn to the bizarre. Very soon American's will be getting tickets for walking down the wrong side of the street. I'm not even joking all that much.-- for example, no bikes on the sidewalks, no walking on RR tracks, felony trespassing, 10 years in jail for speeding, etc,, etc.,,, etc..

And we are a fascist state. Not only at the Federal level but in every institution from the library to the hospital is realized fascism. Fascism as a form of authoritarianism rule has emerged and taken hold in this society. Hard to believe.

The prophesy is that America is the bad guy in all this. Russia will emerge as the good guy. (Strange turn of fate).. And America will be destroyed. WE see this all happening today. People in Russia are more free than people in America!!!

WWIII now? Yes. It is happening now. Just starting with 911. With some bold move from some powerful nation to really assault the West -- I mean really assault the West.. not just sink a ship or bomb a building,,-- then WWIII for real,(millions die every day),, And America as Nazi Germany (inside and outside) for real,... my opinion. Yes,, Amercans -- those who use to joke about the Nazi's and mock them.. have become something much worse. And I'm American, so I can not be called just America hater. It's not America any more. America is gone. It is Amerika or Ameri-kkk. It is. It is gone.

[cruise4]

It's not American's, it's not English. it's not Scot's, it's not even Jews... it is a globalist elite, and racial division is one of their best weapons, and they are gearing up to use it.

[izzy]

It's not American's, it's not English. it's not Scot's, it's not even Jews... it is a globalist elite, and racial division is one of their best weapons, and they are gearing up to use it.


I totally agree

[nikolaijovanovic]

Some interesting points here (although a very sketchy grasp of WW2). It is plausable to liken the situation in the world at the moment to the 1930's - expansionist govts, financial crisis, nations leaving the herd to go alone (for UN see league of nations), food crisis, formation of power blocs etc. However to make the automatic link to WW3 seems more Nostradamus than serious analysis. It may well be a precurser but it is not there yet.

[dedicate]

Lets just for arguments sake say that it is WWIII now. And without getting into the entire numerlogy of "WW" or "3", lets just say that this war looks alful different from the last two.-- "There's a war on for your mind", is a phrase used by AJ, and maybe more than that is at stake.

It's seems bizarre but it is the best answer I know of. The power elite are now waging all out war on us, or WWIII, but we don't see it. We are being traumatized, hypnotized and programmed -- basically dehumanized. It's weird but if falls in with "their" principles.. //Hide things out in the open/Approach backwards/ Turn things inside out and upside down////,,, It's weird because the population they are at war with dont know it.

Now it is time to set to killing off the population? Internally and via what you would call WWIII (whith nation fighting nation, soldiers fighting, etcc. The conventional view of a World War.).. Time to cull. Time to set one half of the brainwashed/dehumanized population against the other? Time to release those kill agents?

But the point is that the real WWIII has been waged full scale since about the year 2000. They've really pulled out all the stoppers since then. In ameriCIA we are being shot and attacked in this war as T.V. and at work and at schools and on our streets. You Are Already Living in a War Zone. We are already in a real war. It's just that it's not a SGT York conventional war one might read about in History class. No easy pill to swallow.

Just my two cents. (P.S. i think the prophecy is that they won't get their New World)...

[empyblessing]

Which prophesy?

[ninaandnally]

I find it so disturbing that the average AmeriCIAn doesn't know that they are under suspicion and/or attack. When the truth movement gets laughed off stage of every major media outlet without so much as a sideways glance at the strikingly odd behavior of the government whom's justice system consists of checks and balances (such as investigation before prosecution) yet doesn't investigate the 9/11 attacks, jumps headlong into war and silences detractors of said war...it's all a bit fishy. Sort of like having a propaganda puppet master shove his hand up your ass and make your mouth move and your foot tap along to the tune.

This may truly be an Orwellian state as life imitates art (just as art imitates life) with 1984 being used as something of a training manual for the NWO.

[dedicate]

Hey yo. What prophecy? You name it.

George Washington's vision, is one.

[roscoe123]

i doubt very much that that the ordinary brits, germans or any other of the mums, dads and children thought that they at the doorsteps of a world wide war either ...

we are our own worst enemy here it europe, particularly in blighty. the majority of the population are more interested in page three, ten pints of lager and blind ignorance of the deliberate polarisation of society by the same evil that created the past wars

reading loaded magazine, sinking as much beer as one can stomach then abusing each other in take out shops is what we have become, perhaps it has to be this way

no one i know in day to day life is talking about any issue worth anything, "they have a new offer down at curries ... i got a new 42 inch plasma for 50 quid on the day" (either they choose not to mention or fail to understand that they will eventually pay 40% of the face value in interest)

however, i digress, it will take a big wake up call to spill the pints of the moronic classes into action - the only way that's going to happen is when people wake up and find the money in the bank is worthless due to a puppet show they have let roll on and on ...

you need to be booted in the balls to know you are gonna have to fight back

cheers

[jvx19]

eh, I have been absent awhile, yet here I am again. I have new thoughts on all this Iran fear mongering by the US. I do believe they intend to attack Iran, but could it all be for show at the moment? It drives up oil prices by speculating an Iran war, also it will help Obama get elected president because McCain is "Bomb bomb bomb Iran". They offer Obama. People assume he will pull out of Iraq and not attack Iran (I don't but the sheeple do). He gets elected and something happens which the only solution for the US is to attack Iran. So clever.

[themime]

"Their side, our side", welcome to the show friends.

Why did Jesus say the meek shall inherit the Earth?

Because all those who fight are weapons of the NWO. We cannot win a head on fight but we can refuse to play.

[awakensong]

Someone asked what is the Fourth Reich? Here is a transcribed interview between Linda Moulton Howe (http://www.earthfiles.com) and Jim Marrs (http://www.jimmarrs.com) regarding Marrs' new book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich". It is about how Nazism was transferred from Germany to America before, during and after WWII, and how even Obama's "Muslim Brotherhood" is now owned by the Nazis.

Linda: Recently I read a new book, published in July - this month - which documents surprisingly between Adolph Hitler's Third Reich in Germany, and America's Banks, Business, Political Power Brokers, and Wars past and present. Reich means Empire, and Hitler's Third Reich rose from 1933 to 1945, the end of WWII.


The new book is entitled: "The Rise of the Fourth Reich", and it's by New York Times best-selling author Jim Marrs. Jim has been tracking down facts and trying to make sense of American political history since his college days as a journalism major at the University of North Texas in Denton. He graduated in 1966, and began a newspaper reporting and editing career at the Denton Record Chronicle, the Lubbock Avalanche Journal and the Fort Worth Star Telegram where he was an investigative reporter, cartoonist, and earned photography awards. By 1988, Jim decided that he had to put his big file about John F. Kennedy's assassination into a book that he called "Crossfire: the Plot that Killed Kennedy". Two months after its release in 1989, Jim received a call from Hollywood film director Oliver Stone who wanted to option Crossfire for the movie that became "JFK".


Jim began asking book editors what 'they' thought was the next big secret government cover-up beyond the JFK assassination. Everyone told him UFOs. That's what led Jim to write his 1997 book "Alien Agenda" which has become the top-selling non-fiction in the world. Next came "Rule by Secrecy" in 2000, and this links the money-power elite of America with the money-power elite of Europe back to the money-power elite of Mesopotamia, which is modern-day Iran and Iraq. According to Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets, Mesopotamia was controlled and manipulated by non-humans called "Anunnaki" that had their own agendas on this planet.


After American buildings and lives were destroyed on September 11, 2001, Jim did his own research and became convinced there were other truths beyond the official government versions, and he wrote "The Terror Conspiracy" which was published in 2006, followed in 2007 by "Psi Spies: the Story of America's Psychic Warfare Program". In his newest book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich", Jim Marrs lays out in great detail with names, places and dates, his assertion that Hitler's National Socialism - that was the name of the party that was shortened to "Nazi" - did not die at the end of World War 2 because protégés of Hitler had spread corporate front companies around the world. Further, the United States imported Hitler's best rocket scientist in Project Paperclip to test B2 rockets... in New Mexico. Even current President George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush was intimately connected in the 1930s to 1940s with the powers that represented the Rockefeller's and Rothschild's banking and business interests. They were also involved in the creation and growth of Hitler and his Nazi party. In late 1942 the U.S. government actually prosecuted Prescott Bush under the Trading With the Enemy Act because he was handling money for German steel magnet Fritz Tyson who was helping to finance the rise of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Third Reich.


Creating wars for profit and stripping civilian liberties are Nazi goals. Jim Marrs warns that is already happening in the United States.


Jim: Today almost every thinking person agrees that the United States is off on the wrong path. Somehow we've gotten off on the wrong foot, we've taken a wrong turn, we're into dangerous waters that are in many ways contrary to these liberties and freedom that this country was built on. What I've done in my new book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich" is to document and show that we can all agree to point the finger at the one group that it's still politically correct to vilify - and that is Nazis.


Linda: And what in July of 2008 are the biggest similarities between Adolph Hitler's Third Reich of World War II and modern America?


Jim: Well, we see the erosion of individual liberties. If you say anything that's unpopular, you even risk jail and fines. We also see that Hitler, when he invaded Poland, he didn't want to upset the German people by calling up general conscription, so he used reserve troops to start World War II, just like we're using our reserve troops to fight imperial wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Then you come up through the similarities and parallels, between the burning of the Reichstag and the Enabling Act with the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the rapid passage of the Patriot Act and the creation of Homeland Security; the parallels are all there. The big difference in modern American and Nazi Germany is that in the Germany of the 1930s the state gained control over the corporations. Today in modern America we see that the corporations have gained control over the state, but the end result is the same.


Linda: And under this current administration, we still don't even have a restoration of Habeas Corpus which means any American citizen can be arrested without charge stated.


Jim: That's right. That's why we no longer have a Republic; what we now have is a Fourth Reich. Somebody in position of power - the President, the Attorney General, the head of Homeland Security - can simply point a finger at you and designate you as an undesirable, hence an enemy combatant, and they can grab you and imprison you, and you don't even get a day in court much less a lawyer. They have systematically stripped the United States of its fundamental constitutional rights, and that's bad enough but what really concerns me is that so many people refuse to look at that. They do not want to admit that, they do not want to see it, and so they're allowing it to take place and to continue.


Linda: And I thought one of the greatest ironies in your entire book, when you say "Today's terrorist groups can be traced right back to the Nazis".


Jim: Right. Osama bin Laden was recruited into the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 70s, and the Muslim Brotherhood was created in Egypt in the 1930, but then by the late 30s it had pretty well been taken over by a Nazi organization. The creator of the Muslim Brotherhood was a great admirer of Hitler, and provided him the means of taking over this violent brotherhood.


Linda: And isn't it true that Alan Dulles, then Director of the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States in the 1950s, arranged to have these Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood transferred to Saudi Arabia?


Jim: That's correct. During the war, any serviceman who served in South Africa would probably agree that we had as much problem with the Arabs there as we had with the Nazis, and that's because the Arabs, through the Muslim Brotherhood, had aligned themselves with the Nazis. But we managed to overcome that - we defeated them in World War II, so the Muslim Brotherhood was then picked up by the British Intelligence at the end of the war, but then a little short time later there was passed along to our CIA which at that time was headed by Alan Dulles. Alan Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles, who was Secretary of State under Eisenhower, the two Dulles brothers were the attorneys for Cromwell and Sullivan, which were the law firm that represented the Schroeder Bank (chuckles) and the Rockefeller-Schroeder Investment Corporation, and the very nexus of business connections that supported the Nazis. So they were instrumental in bringing Nazis over to the United States under Paperclip and other programs at the end of the war, and whitewashing their Nazi records, and this is what put a huge nucleus of National Socialists right into our Military Industrial Complex where it spread out and is trying to gain control today.


Linda: Isn't it true that by 1979 the Central Intelligence Agency took the Saudi/Nazi Muslim Brotherhood to Afghanistan to fight with the Soviets, and they became the Mujahideen in the modern world today, and are one and the same as Al Qaeda?


Jim: That's absolutely correct. When we took the Muslim Brotherhood into Afghanistan in the 80s to fight against the Russian incursion there, the Muslim Brotherhood had already attained a pretty bad name. They were originally thrown out of Egypt by Gamal Nasser because of their violence, but they were predominantly Mugabe Muslims, and as a result, they were taken in by Saudi Arabia, and this is still the predominant faction in Saudi Arabia today. This is, of course, where Osama bin Laden entered the picture.


Then after the Soviets left Afghanistan during the Clinton years when we had the war in Kosovo, we find that it was the Al Qaeda that was funding and training the Kosovo Liberation Army, which was the faction that the United States supported. So we can see that the CIA certainly was involved with if not controlled Al Qaeda all the way up until the Bush II administration, which I think should cause every thinking person to take a very serious second look at the attacks of 9-11.


I don't think it's about oil; personally, I think it had more to do with the looting of the Iraqi National Museum, because I have in my files news articles from the Associated Press and European media in 1999 through 2001, speaking of "amazing new discoveries being made in Iraq by French and German archeological teams", which I find very, very fascinating because it was after all France and Germany who were probably the most opposed to our invasion of Iraq. And of course, when we decided to attack Iraq in the spring of 2003, we violated normal military tactics, which is to seize an objective, consolidate your winnings, and then move on to the next objective. We simply made a bee-line for Baghdad, which is one of the reasons we're still having so many problems over there, because we failed to pacify the countryside. Instead, we went straight to Baghdad, and despite assurances to world museum directors by the Pentagon, that the Iraqi National Museum would be protected, it was not, and there was wholesale looting. And according to Colonel Matthew Bagnonos, who investigated the Iraqi museum looting for General Tommy Franks, he described the looting of the basement as an inside job. He said there were guards conveniently missing, they had keys to some of the locked vaults, they knew exactly what they were looking for. They bypassed expensive-looking fakes; they went right for the new uncataloged stuff.


And what would this be; why would they have such an interest in these ancient artifacts? Because this was all coming from the cradle of human civilization - the Sumerian civilization - and on the Sumerian Tablets we find not only accounts of extraterrestrial visitation on this planet, but we also find, perhaps, the secrets of energy manipulation at the atomic and sub-atomic levels - the very thing the Nazis were working on with their "Bell" project, which was a device that created counter-rotating energy and magnetic fields which then theoretically could lead to anti-gravity, flying saucers, star portals, time and interdimensional gateways, time travel -- a lot of real fast fictiony-sounding things.


Linda: We will pick up with Jim in the next half hour about the "Bell" and the strange craft, and I just wanted to make a note about something that I have found, where some researchers of German history have reported that as early as the 1920s, the German secret society called Touille (pronounced "tool") was trying, according to their records, to create an interdimensional machine that they had this very long name for that translates from the German to "otherworld flight machine". That's 1920. The mysteries are layered, and layered, and layered, the deeper I get into research about the history of Germany as it relates to what happened with the flourishing of the Nazi Third Reich.

[ronisron]

"Their side, our side", welcome to the show friends.

Why did Jesus say the meek shall inherit the Earth?

Because all those who fight are weapons of the NWO. We cannot win a head on fight but we can refuse to play.

Right. However, there's a fine line between refusing to fight, and doing nothing and hoping for the best...... I do know that information and the knowledge that grows from it is empowering us, and we can recognize the games AS they're being played rather than getting the story after the fact.....but is it enough?

I still say the obvious answer is a mass strike, and that will cripple the machine. We would all know when, and we would all stop at the same time. Whenever someone preaches pacifism and love, and civil disobedience as a way to break the stranglehold of the elite, they are murdered. The Jesus Myth, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, JFK, Abdul Baha, Gandhi.... all murdered because of preaching peace, harmony, and civil disobedience. It's quite obvious what the elite fear the most -- us not playing along anymore, and learning to love one another. It seems the Vietnam War was the last time the elite were caught off guard, with thousands of men refusing to do as they were told, refusing to fight a war they knew was unjust and being fought for all the wrong reasons. All We Are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance......

It seems like "our kind" has broken them many times before, only to have them come back with newer, and slicker methods..... does anyone else feel this??? We've been down this road before, and won, but they are getting smarter everytime they come back.... they just rewrite history, and bombard us with crap so we forget.

[cruise4]

I think this East/West thing is a bit simplistic. Do not forget the UN. That is the destination perhaps... and as Globalist's they couldn't care less about East or west. A War has sides (fooled into siding usually), but the aim isn't 'winning the war', it's dictating the peace.