Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?

[dondaz]

If we are killing our bees off, which will ultimately resort in the mass starvation of billions across the planet, why arn't we screeming the bloody house down?

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/bees_are_mobile_phones_wiping_out_our_bees.htm

This has really got me thinking. The posibilities are endless.

Any comments would be appreciated!

Best

Darren
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"If you want to slag me, change the subject or spread dis-info, start your own thread!":D

[oneofmany]

Don't know about that, but there definitely the death of intelligent conversation.

[jinjo5]

Absolutely,mobile phones are way too heavy for bees to carry
causing massive heart attacks.:rolleyes: ;)

[deca]

deep down I FUCKING NEW THESE FUCKING MOBILE MAST WHERE FUCKING WITH MOTHER NATURE.........sorry I have to keep carm or I will lose it.

[limelady]

Absolutely,mobile phones are way too heavy for bees to carry
causing massive heart attacks.:rolleyes: ;)

Well I'm glad somebody can see this situation as being funny, but I'm buggered if I can!

Mobile phone towers are in every respect towers of death. Without bees there is no food, without food we all die!

Lets all have a good hearty laugh at that.....after all, the joke really is on us isn't it?

[jinjo5]

....theres a funny side to absolutely everything.

[oneofmany]

Well I'm glad somebody can see this situation as being funny, but I'm buggered if I can!

Mobile phone towers are in every respect towers of death. Without bees there is no food, without food we all die!

Lets all have a good hearty laugh at that.....after all, the joke really is on us isn't it?

Do you have any proof of the correlation of bee deaths to mobile phones? I don't find it funny, but I do find the connection between the two as highly tenuous.

[lumukanda]

i'm quite interested in all these bee related stories lately, first (this one is old) is the killer bees (which is hilarious to me, they come from where i live, south africa, they're mean, but they're not killers), secondly, the mystery disease thats killing them, then the story about the hornets killing off the bees and finally this one (which may explain the mystery disease).
lots about bees, the interesting thing to me (and yes i know we can see something in anything if we try) is that the bee is the symbol of the merovingians, one of the french royal lines. any connection? probably not, but it just popped into my head.

[limelady]

Do you have any proof of the correlation of bee deaths to mobile phones? I don't find it funny, but I do find the connection between the two as highly tenuous.

Well actually it wasn't me making the original claim about mobile phones.....the article quoted below (that donaz posted a link to) claims its the radiation from the handsets that could be killing the bees, but there are other articles like this one http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/03/06/millions_of_bees_die_are_electromagnetic_signals_t o_blame.htm that suggest electromagnetics may be responsible for the millions of bee deaths.

This article here suggests cell phone tower radiation may be killing plants and animals http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3430072/

This article in the LA times says the light from cellphone and TV towers has lured millions of birds to their deaths!

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-birds27nov27,0,1089929.story?coll=la-home-headlines

I think its fair to say mobile phone technology is a real killer!


Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees

London Independent | April 15 2007
Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross

It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But some scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive food shortages, as the world's harvests fail.

They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance of the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed that the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Europe - was beginning to hit Britain as well.

The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees' navigation systems, preventing the famously homeloving species from finding their way back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to back this up.

Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so many apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to die singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normally raid the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywhere near the abandoned hives.

The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of its commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast.

CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers, announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.

Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs insisted: "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK."

The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".

No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides, global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks.

German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power lines.

Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.

Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobile phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convinced the possibility is real."

The case against handsets

Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof is still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer, take decades to show up.

Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 years were 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they held the handset.

Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers could go senile in the prime of their lives.

Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, doctors have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constant texting.

Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, warned that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of safety recommendations, largely ignored by ministers.

[limelady]

i'm quite interested in all these bee related stories lately, first (this one is old) is the killer bees (which is hilarious to me, they come from where i live, south africa, they're mean, but they're not killers), secondly, the mystery disease thats killing them, then the story about the hornets killing off the bees and finally this one (which may explain the mystery disease).
lots about bees, the interesting thing to me (and yes i know we can see something in anything if we try) is that the bee is the symbol of the merovingians, one of the french royal lines. any connection? probably not, but it just popped into my head.

I reckon the mysterious bee "disease" is merely a media fudge for what is far more likely - generational DNA damage weakening the bees immune systems full stop. After all, there is much research now that clearly shows mobile phone radiation damages human DNA, and the poor little bees have to live in a world full of this radiation nowadays. It wouldn't take much radiation to destroy bee genetics over several generations.....and can we in all honesty believe all this electromagnetic radiation filling our atmosphere would'nt have some dire effect on the wildlife?

Of course don't expect to hear anything about this from the telecommunication industry GIANTS....far too much to lose....no, lets tell the world we have an unidentifiable "disease" killing all the bees. The truth beknown, its very likely a combo of DNA damage caused by radiation and genetically modified food crops (thanks Monsanto) that's wiping out the bees.

Just my thoughts.

[lumukanda]

good points lime, a world without bees. most wouldn't even give it a second thought, but if that does come to pass, we are so very fucked, but then again, we are in so many ways.

[lottie]

i would imagine the chemtrails etc that go on are having a devastating affect on wildlife and insects etc too- this may also be adding to the destruction of the bees!! they are spraying almost everyday in various areas- we had them last week where i live- think what its doing to them let alone us!!:mad:

[tru3]

Absolutely,mobile phones are way too heavy for bees to carry
causing massive heart attacks.:rolleyes: ;)

lmao! :D nice one, jinjo!

reminds me of a joke...

q: have you ever smelled mothballs?
a: of course.
q: how did you get their tiny little legs apart?

[limelady]

i would imagine the chemtrails etc that go on are having a devastating affect on wildlife and insects etc too- this may also be adding to the destruction of the bees!! they are spraying almost everyday in various areas- we had them last week where i live- think what its doing to them let alone us!!:mad:

Yes lottie, I would have to agree chemtrails are likely having an adverse effect on ALL the wildlife as well as the electromagnetics and the GM crops.

Its a sad world we live in huh?

Makes me ashamed to be human, and this is why I just cannot conjure up my sense of humour about this subject matter. :(

[limelady]

good points lime, a world without bees. most wouldn't even give it a second thought, but if that does come to pass, we are so very fucked, but then again, we are in so many ways.

You're not wrong! Most humans are way too busy trying to pollinate each other to care about the 'birds and the bees' LOL.........so your term "so very fucked" is rather apt I feel.

What this?.....a glimmer of a sense of humour coming from Lime after all? ;)

[jinjo5]

You're not wrong! Most humans are way too busy trying to pollinate each other to care about the 'birds and the bees' LOL.........so your term "so very fucked" is rather apt I feel.

What this?.....a glimmer of a sense of humour coming from Lime after all? ;)
Hey,steady on now lime,Bee-hive yourself!!:D :D

[Anders Lindman]

If we are killing our bees off, which will ultimately resort in the mass starvation of billions across the planet, why arn't we screeming the bloody house down?

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/bees_are_mobile_phones_wiping_out_our_bees.htm

This has really got me thinking. The posibilities are endless.

Any comments would be appreciated!

Best

Darren
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"If you want to slag me, change the subject or spread dis-info, start your own thread!":D

From the article: "Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers could go senile in the prime of their lives."

I have suspected for many years that cell phone radiation destroys brain cells. For example, when I started to use cell phones I got uncontrolled twitches and spasms in my muscles. I didn't have that before I started to use cell phones.

[pollock]

I don't use the nasty things unless I really have to!

F

[lumukanda]

i used to have a job where i'd have one of those things glued to my head all day long, i can't say i experienced any headaches etc etc, but one thing is sure, when it rang it meant something was wrong and my blood pressure would shoot right through the roof! (i used to be a 2nd assistant director in movies, they only phoned bad news through, if things went right they just happened)

[deca]

Look its not just what your cell phone puts out. Even if you don`t own a mobile
the masts are blasting out pulsed microwaves anyway stop just thinking about the hand set.I did not even have a fucking mobile phone when I got my electronic harassment.

[Anders Lindman]

i used to have a job where i'd have one of those things glued to my head all day long, i can't say i experienced any headaches etc etc, but one thing is sure, when it rang it meant something was wrong and my blood pressure would shoot right through the roof! (i used to be a 2nd assistant director in movies, they only phoned bad news through, if things went right they just happened)

I agree, cell phones can be stressful. Perhaps one could learn how to deal with such stress, and thereby not be affected so much on an emotional level. There is also a lot of peer pressure for people to be available 24/7 on their cell phones and that can add an extra load of stress too.

[Anders Lindman]

Look its not just what your cell phone puts out. Even if you don`t own a mobile
the masts are blasting out pulsed microwaves anyway stop just thinking about the hand set.I did not even have a fucking mobile phone when I got my electronic harassment.

The radiation from masts are most likely more powerful than from cell phones, BUT radiation decreases very rapidly with distance (the inverse square law for spherical radiation), and holding a cell phone right next to the head means a very short distance and hence a very strong actual radiation hitting neurons and other cells in the head.

[Anders Lindman]

I have a suggestion: instead of calling them 'cell phones' they should be called 'cell-death phones'. :D

[fantana]

I keep Honey Bees, and they are situatied in the countryside on mooreland.


This article interests me and I wonder if I will find any information out this summer.



I am about to turn my mobile phone off and never use the fucking thing. Massive phone bills and who knows what. No thanks

[deca]

I agree but just look at 3g there`s 5 operators meaning there has to be 5 masts and in city's there 200-500m apart in towns 2-5km apart in rural areas

There are 5 licensed mobile phone operators in the UK: O2 (formerly known as Cellnet); Vodafone; T-Mobile (formerly known as Mercury One-2-One); Orange & 3 (full name Hutchison 3G). The 5 operators are represented by the Mobile Operators’ Association (MOA).
Each operator needs its own network to provide its service. A network comprises a series of radio base stations, each with a coverage area known as a ‘cell’. These cells can vary from under 1km to 20-30km wide.
The base station has a number of antennae, microwave dishes and equipment cabins, which enable mobile phones to connect to each other and to the BT exchange. The antennas and dishes can either be placed on freestanding masts or on buildings. Some of the smallest base stations are built into street furniture or look like burglar alarms fixed to walls.
The coverage provided by a base station will vary according to its location. Generally, sites are sought on higher ground where the coverage will not be interrupted by physical features such as buildings or trees.

now theres micro cells that look like lamp post and cover a couple of streets.

[deca]

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1235373,00.html

[limelady]

I keep Honey Bees, and they are situatied in the countryside on mooreland.


This article interests me and I wonder if I will find any information out this summer.

I am about to turn my mobile phone off and never use the fucking thing. Massive phone bills and who knows what. No thanks


I'm also concerned about this because I was hoping to keep bee hives myself once we move to the country. Not that I have any experience with bees, but I love them and I'm willing to learn. Bees polinate our fruit trees, and without bees we'd be sunk.

Our property will be a mobile-phone-free-zone, and thankfully there are no towers within sight either, so providing there are still bees to keep, they will at least be safe on our chem-free property.

BTW fantana.net is fun! ;)

[lookfar]

Good luck with your bees Lime & your new property sounds wonderful :)

The one thing that makes me think it's GM/chemtrails or something else is the fact that no predators attack the abandoned hives & they go mouldy, like they're repelled by something.

I'm also very concerned about this, a world without bees would be utterly devastating :( I've even got to the stage now when I see some on the herbs in the garden, I say a little prayer of thanks for them :) I love bees!!

[midwich cuckoo]

I've never used a mobile phone, and to be honest I was never sure exactly why, I just knew not to use them.

Just thinking out loud here... Is this part of the illuminati plan to 'remove' 2/3rds of the population?.

What a simple way to do it, give them something they really want, overcharge them for it, give them cancer in the process and kill off the bees to achieve global domination.

Is this the real reason behind GM foods. So that 'They' can still eat after the bee die off?.

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[i_am]

- The truth beknown, its very likely a combo of DNA damage caused by radiation and genetically modified food crops (thanks Monsanto) that's wiping out the bees.

Just my thoughts.

My thoughts too :D

I was just going to say that about Monsanto. It seems to be happening in the areas that have GM crops. Maybe they aren't dying. They are just pissing off. Maybe we should do the same :p

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

Normally around this time of year I see loads of bees......but not this year......I was out walking yesterday near the South Coast in the UK and I only saw one and that was dead.....:(

Another thing that I've noticed recently in the South is that some farmers are doing away with the hedge rows that divide their fields......these hedge rows are normally full of bird and insect life.......to me this is a really ominous practice as it drives out wildlife from the countryside........:(

Love
&
Peace

[midwich cuckoo]

I've seen a few queen bumble bees up here, but no other types yet.

Was also reading about a chinese hornet invasion in France, they are killing off most of the bees there, also there's a threat of them coming over to the UK.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-france-hungry-hornets,0,5412388.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines

[limelady]

Good luck with your bees Lime & your new property sounds wonderful :)

The one thing that makes me think it's GM/chemtrails or something else is the fact that no predators attack the abandoned hives & they go mouldy, like they're repelled by something.

I'm also very concerned about this, a world without bees would be utterly devastating :( I've even got to the stage now when I see some on the herbs in the garden, I say a little prayer of thanks for them :) I love bees!!

Thanks lookfar!

We have a citrus grove (limes and lemons) and although we have a main summer fruiting/picking season, our trees flower and fruit all year long. When I go out to pick, our trees are full of beautiful little bees, and the whole property is alive with their happy humming. I pick fruit all round them and they even walk on my arms and I have never been stung because I talk to them.

A neighbouring pineapple farm has bee boxes, and their bees all come to our place because we don't use chemicals anywhere on our property and they do....the bees love our trees! :D

Unfortuantely they go back to their boxes, and somebody else gets the benefit of what must be fantastic citrusy tasting honey, so I can't wait to set up our own boxes. :D

Thankfully the bees are still plentiful where we are, but it would be devastating if their numbers started dwindling like what's happening elsewhere. What a shocking situation! :(

[i_am]

This is from my all time favourite book The Pleiadian Agenda by Barabara Hand Clow

I love this book as it covers everything about our 'reality' and The NWO. They call it the World Management Team and humans, in general, as Zombies. It talks about Lizards and the Roman Church, The Photon Band, Goddess Alchemy, Lucifer, Mayan Calender and theTimekeepers. It is the book most read in my collection.

The microwave teaches you that everything is vibration; everything is made out of wave forms. Before it you needed fire to activate the energy in food but now you can warm it by bombarding it with with a section of the wave spectrum that vibrates faster than 3D. We Pleaidians have to confess that we’ve been having some good laughs about you and your microwaves because it is a direct teacher about unseen portions of the light spectrum. In this book you will learn that photons are in the microwave range, not the solar light and you have invented the microwave to realise that you can be ‘cooked’ by wave frequencies, if you are not aware and stay in them too long. Then, as this book teaches, you will be in the Photon Band full time, beginning in 1998, and how do you keep from being cooked? We have a surprise for you. The Sun is the antidote to increased Photon Light.

Store the microwave – because it is needed for travel into space- and go back to cooking your food with real fire and heat.

[midwich cuckoo]

Also another thought about HAARP and it's true purposes, after watching Freeman talking about it on one of his shows, Maybe this is what is causing "global warming", maybe it isn't a natural cycle after all and I doubt very much that the people are responsible - in the way that they tell us. Maybe they are totally in charge of the whole planets weather which is going to have yet more devastating effects in Africa very soon. Africa is fucked!. :(:mad:

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[oneofmany]

Limelady
The quote of the article in post 9, was very interesting, however, the first couple of lines made it very clear that they are just not sure.

It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But some scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive food shortages, as the world's harvests fail.

They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural worldThis, to me is inconclusive, and worse, borders on fearmongering. All I'm asking for is a solid connection between the two, with evidence to back up their claims. Remember, Global Warming caused by greenhouse gasses is also a theory that scientists suggest without a shred of evidence.

I wouldn't be surprised if this theory is correct, but I will wait for solid evidence before I start to do a panic. One thing is for sure, the bees are dying, so something's going on, but what?

another part of the article states

Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.

I will still wait for the hard proof

[i_am]

Mobile phones blamed for mass bee desertion
Michael Leapman
April 21, 2007 01:00am

MOBILE phones have been blamed for the mysterious disappearance of millions of bees, which play a vital role in both agriculture and horticulture.

In the US, the commercial bee population has declined by about two-thirds because of an epidemic known as Colony Collapse Disorder, where nearly all the bees in a hive suddenly desert it.

The condition is spreading to Europe, with leading English bee-keeper John Chapple reporting that 23 of his 40 hives in the London area have been deserted.

The theory is that signals from mobile phones interfere with the bees' natural radar, the in-built satellite-navigation systems that guide them home to the hive, however far they have flown in their quest for pollen.

A German researcher has found that bees refuse to return to their hive when mobile phones are placed alongside it.

Lost and disoriented, they die. The result is abandoned hives, a possible honey shortage and, most gravely, a lack of pollinators for our flowers and crops.

According to research the mobile phone is the third reported major threat to the world bee population, which is estimated to have declined by about 60 per cent since 1970.

There are two principal kinds of bee - the honey bee (apis mellifera) and the larger bumblebee (bombus terrestris) - and both of them have suffered devastating losses.

Before it fell prey to CCD, the honey bee was hit by another scourge - a parasite, originating in Indonesia, called varroa destructor.

It decimated honey bees in the wild during the 1990s before an antidote was discovered.

Bees sting, they are a flaming nuisance at barbecues and, to the uninitiated, they look a bit like wasps - everyone's least favourite garden pest.
Yet we need them far more than we need whales, seals or koalas.

In 1638, the agricultural writer Gervase Markham declared: "Of all the creatures which are fit for the use of man, there is nothing more necessary, wholesome or more profitable than the bee."

In more recent times, Albert Einstein calculated that if bees suddenly ceased to exist, mankind could not survive for more than four years.

Without their help in carrying pollen from plant to plant as they gather nectar, hundreds of varieties of flowers, fruit and vegetables would be wiped from the horticultural map or seriously depleted.

Without the humble bumblebee we would soon go hungry - or, at the very least, be seriously limited in what foods we could grow successfully.

The notable gardener Philip Miller was the first to observe that pollen was not spread principally by the wind, as had been believed, but by bees.

A few years later, scientists concluded that flowers produced nectar specifically to attract pollinating insects.

So next time you are tempted to phone your partner from the train, announcing you will be home for tea at the usual time, you might be diverting a swarm of bees to their doom.

[gordonfreeman]

Cell phones contain radiation. We all know that of course.

[eternal_spirit]

Check out this blurb (audio) by Alan Watt scroll down the page and click this title....>Brushfires, Birds, Bees and Biochemical Warfare

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

LOL I know some people here aren't keen on his Scottish accent(voice) You can find the link on the site for Audio transcripts(written) if you'd rather read the facts. :)

[neutron flux]

An excellent article to add to the thread:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/130784-To+Bee+or+not+to+Be