Arizona wasn't destroyed by torpedos

[Anders Lindman]

I just saw a documentary on Discovery about USS Arizona that sunk in the Pearl Harbor attack. The ship wasn't destroyed by torpedos, because later examinations of the wreck have revealed that there is no damage caused by torpedos. The whole ship exploded! Some may say that it was a Japanese bomb that "happened" to exactly hit the explosives storage within the ship, or in some other way managed to ignite that sensitive area, but I think there can be another explanation: to make sure that the attack was "successful", some of the ships were sunk by controlled demolition.

[hagbard_celine]

Glad to see you at this forum, Anders :)

Pearl Harbour was a psyop far more than a strategic attack, every bit as much as 9/11. The big battleships of the US Navy at that time represented the nation's pride and military bravado and were named after the states. Every American boy at the time wanted to be a sailor on them. But their sinking struck more at the American mass consciousness than American seapower. In 1941 the battleship was already an obsolete weapons platform. Naval combat had enterted a new generation: the era of the aircraft carrier and submarine. The Japanese admirality must have known this; they weren't stupid. So why did they conduct the attack on Pearl Harbour when the aircraft carriers were all at sea on excersises? Why did the bombers fly over the submarine base, leaving it untouched? It turned out that the aircraft carriers and submarines were the decissive weapons in the war, and the Japanese must have been able to predict this.

Could it be that Pearl Harbour's only purpose was not shock and awe the American public into entering the war?

[Anders Lindman]

The more I learn about the Pearl Harbor attack, the more it looks like a staged event.

[mitch_lane]

Don't know if you have read Robert Stinnett's book on Pearl Harbour- it's called Day of Deceit- but he shows, using files gained under the FOIA, that not only did the American's expect the attack and knew of its target ( they had broken Japanese signal traffic months before but kept Admiral Kimmel, who was in charge of the fleet at Pearl Harbour, completely out of the picture) but that the US Navy hoped to instigate the attack through a deliberate programme of provocation: Kimmel was even prevented from carrying out a training excercise that would have seen the Japanese attack's approach.

[i_am]

Don't know if you have read Robert Stinnett's book on Pearl Harbour- it's called Day of Deceit- but he shows, using files gained under the FOIA, that not only did the American's expect the attack and knew of its target ( they had broken Japanese signal traffic months before but kept Admiral Kimmel, who was in charge of the fleet at Pearl Harbour, completely out of the picture) but that the US Navy hoped to instigate the attack through a deliberate programme of provocation: Kimmel was even prevented from carrying out a training excercise that would have seen the Japanese attack's approach.

Yeah! I read a book, maybe 25 years ago, which was written by an ex spy for Winston Churchill. It was called The Paladin and I have just searched for it but it seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. I can't remember the authors name. It was supposedly fiction based on fact. one of the story lines was of him going onto an allied submarine on the pretext of doing something other than his real purpose, to blow it up with all personell. The reason for this was that they had intercepted a radio message regarding the bombing of Pearl Harbour. They crew had been sworn to secrecy but the fear was that if they got into port, got drunk and blabbed it could have a detrimental effect to the plan, which was Bomb Pearl Harbour, therefore causing outrage amongst the American people, who were opposed to America entering the war. Voila it happened just as planned. Classic PRS!

I always believed there was a huge element of fact in this scenario.

[hagbard_celine]

Bomb Pearl Harbour, therefore causing outrage amongst the American people, who were opposed to America entering the war. Voila it happened just as planned. Classic PRS!


In a nutshell. If a scam keeps working why not keep using it? And 59 years and 9 months later it was still working so well that they used it again in New York.

In the end the only way to stop these incidents is if so many people see through them that they're no longer a viable tactic.