Looks like huge NO Irish vote

[seanx]

Early tally results from Irish Rerferendum indicate that ireland
will vote NO to lisburn treaty and it could be a huge No vote.

These are only 'tally' results at this stage but usually
quite accurate.

[kweli]

Thanks for the update; Please keep us informed on how it's going.

Friday 13th June 2008 - A big day in Irish history

[redhead]

G'wan me ol' muckahs :) :) :)

Happy Fuckin Days Indeed

[danielg]

Finally the Irish get to fuck over the British empire. How I would love to be a fly on the wall (with a phone camera) while Gordon Brown and gronies burst into psychotic rages over this.

Interesting times ahead.

[seanx]

Yes, remember these are unofficial tally results - but with more
of these in now from every constituency, it is still looking
like a no vote.

Something quite strange would have to happen if this trend was
suddenly to change.

So, at this stage, still looking very good.

[kweli]

Yes, it's looking promising. My Grandparents hailed from Co Mayo :)

'In Mayo, the vote appears to be 60-40 in favour of the No camp with the majority of boxes counted. There was a 52 per cent turnout. Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny and the party’s MEP Jim Higgins are conceding that the No campaign have won in Mayo.'

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking1.html?via=me

[and justice for all]

Early Lisbon tallies lean toward No vote
Irish Times Reporters - ireland.com

Counting of votes in the Lisbon Treaty referendum began at 9am today, and early tallies show the vote leaning toward the No side.

Read more;
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking1.htm

[niftygifter]

MAKE IT SO.

Sweet and god bless the IRISH

This will make them squirm more as their little perfect plans take another sideslip:p
Plus the millionaire with his attack on the English signing:D:D

"As the light increases onto this planet, in this age of ascension, the dark will shrivel" and its happening, it is a decreed, divine plan without failure.

Increase the light and bring the end of the Dark:D

Enjoy the ride people, enjoy the ride:rolleyes:

Nifty:cool:

[celtic isis]

G'wan me ol' muckahs :) :) :)

Happy Fuckin Days Indeed

haha! :D

on the french news they're saying it's not clear of course and that it has to be pushed until later on (the announcing of the results) , there's some prob..blah blah!

[godspeed]

you have made us in scotland so happy with your no vote and the flags are flying outside my home for you,which will probably bring the cops round,but i dont care ,im delighted to have an irish name,we salute you from the heart and will be celebrating with champers tonight at my bro's 40th birthday ,what a night we will have now,we salute you and love you dearly,yeha xxx

[spikedimitri]

Yummy, yummy, yummy, I got love in my tummy........

I'm watching the results come in on the news. Big NO vote. Big SMILE on me. :D

[celtic isis]

lol

i just rustled up an irish flag and put
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2706/imagesga3.jpg = Verité (truth in french)

:D

It's out on the balcony for everyone to see right now!!!

[spikedimitri]

Just realised. Friday the 13th! Unlikely for some. Particularily Jesuits. I thinks it was Phelps who said that the origin of the unlucky Friday the 13th thing comes from the day the Jesuits were expelled en masse from a group of European countries. Ha ha. It's now happened to them again!

[celtic isis]

Just realised. Friday the 13th! Unlikely for some. Particularily Jesuits. I thinks it was Phelps who said that the origin of the unlucky Friday the 13th thing comes from the day the Jesuits were expelled en masse from a group of European countries. Ha ha. It's now happened to them again!

and also it was the evening of friday the 13th that the templars were raided by the king of france at the time..many were tortured so deffo unlucky for them!

[drhemp]

haha! :D

on the french news they're saying it's not clear of course and that it has to be pushed until later on (the announcing of the results) , there's some prob..blah blah!

I just clicked refresh on the Irish Times (http://www.ireland.com/focus/thelisbontreaty/) web and it has gone from 47% yes 53 no, to 45% yes 55% no. I think it would be hard for them to rig the vote at such short notice, not that I would put it past them. I hope the Irish are extra vigilant if they put this awful Treaty to the vote again, as losing it will not be an option for the New World Order, and rigging the vote is something they are certainly prepared to do (as I'm convinced was in the case with Bush in 00 & 04 and in Tony BLiar's parliamentary constituency at the last British election).

[kweli]

Yay!!! :) :) :)

Ireland votes No to Lisbon Treaty

Ireland has voted No to the Lisbon Treaty, plunging the European Union into a new crisis.

With results coming in from across the country, a final result of 52 per cent against and 48 per cent in favour of the treaty was rapidly hardening. A final declaration is not expected until after 4 pm.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4128055.ece

[upsetbrit]

Things could still turn into a Zimbabwe, so i'll cautiously send a thankyou to the Irish.
Thankyou people of Ireland!

You have probably saved millions of people on the E.S.S.R. (European Soviet Socialist Republic) alot of pain. Nobody needs red tape and stupid laws written by dictators in a foreign land, oppressing the people and bankrupting entire cultures....

Down with the New World Order and God save Ireland!

[celtic isis]

I just clicked refresh on the Irish Times (http://www.ireland.com/focus/thelisbontreaty/) web and it has gone from 47% yes 53 no, to 45% yes 55% no. I think it would be hard for them to rig the vote at such short notice, not that I would put it past them. I hope the Irish are extra vigilant if they put this awful Treaty to the vote again, as losing it will not be an option for the New World Order, and rigging the vote is something they are certainly prepared to do (as I'm convinced was in the case with Bush in 00 & 04 and in Tony BLiar's parliamentary constituency at the last British election).

omg it's brilliant! a taste of things to come, we hope anyway!!!!

just have to all band together now, even just us irish in here and of course anyone else of oyu wonderful dudes and dudettes who want to help ; to inform the irish people to NEVER vote yes to this damn thing...even if they just tweak it a bit and say ok we took out the bits you didn't like, now VOTE, which will happen in a few months...

have to make sure they know the treaty is BAD BAD news no matter what they do to it...

we'll talk about it later, enjoy the glory right now!!! i'm gonna wear my irish t-shirt tonight!!! i'll get OH to wear his too lol :D

[niftygifter]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!


http://www.referendum.ie/home/

2 minutes ago:
No Vote 8.87%
Yes/Tá 42.42%
No/Níl 57.58%

Interesting that the next click on the site it had closed to 53%

SO SWEEEEEEEEEETT:D:D:D:D:D


Nifty:cool:

[celtic isis]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!


http://www.referendum.ie/home/

SO SWEEEEEEEEEETT:D:D:D:D:D


Nifty:cool:

u see though it's almost 50/50!!!

omg stupid knobs, course that's the figures they put...we have work ahead though my friends ;)

[pandamania]

I want to personally thank all the David Icke forum people in the UK and around Europe and further for your support and good wishes during the last couple of weeks.

To see Irish Finance Minister Brian Lenihan on the news today being chased out of his own local polling station by a group of residents screaming "traitor! traitor! traitor!" was incredible. To hear an old lady on the news replying to a patronising news reporter who asked her is she voted NO because she did not understand the Treaty only for her to reply "oh I understand it all right, I just don't like the death penalty, conscription and being taxed to pay for the weather".

More people have voted NO to this that all the previous EU referendums combined and that the Euro has collasped on global currency markets as a result just puts the icing on the cake.

Unless you lived in Ireland it is hard to convey the toxic and incessant propaganda to vote YES by the main parties, business community, trade (traitor) unions and famers organisation and the state media RTE backing them all the way. And yet when it came to the voice of the people the ordinary Irish person said NO in record numbers.

Below is a photo of the Megalith Tomb of Newgrange in County Meath. Built in 3200 BC. The mound covers an area of over one acre and is surrounded by 97 kerbstones, some of which are richly decorated with megalithic art. This was the first statement by the Irish people to rest of the world that we are here. Since 3200 BC the passage and chamber of Newgrange are illuminated by the winter solstice sunrise. A shaft of sunlight shines through the roof box over the entrance and penetrates the passage to light up the chamber. The dramatic event lasts for 17 minutes at dawn on the Winter Solstice and for a few mornings either side of the Winter Solstice.

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2005/05/22/243500/Newgrange.jpg

in 2008 it still acts as a becon to the Irish people. There are some lights they can never put out.

http://www.newgrange.com/newgrange/solstice.jpg

God bless the people of Ireland and God bless the ordinary people of Europe and the world who see what is happening. We will win. Today in Ireland was the first rivet coming loose - it is up to you our friends in the rest of the world to pick up the torch and carry it to the next level.

Right I am off to the pub to toast the NO victory and for all the decent and great folk on here who knew well the high stakes we were playing for more than anyone else.

[cruise4]

Well done the Irish people. About time we won a round. And on it goes... expect wriggling galore. Now lets disband Europe completely!

[niftygifter]

Hang on is this over yet????

I have just gone on the referendum site and its changing again??

Is it now finished (I hope so)????

16.74% vote returns
46.37% Yes
53.63% NOOO

Nifty:cool:

[danielg]

% Poll 16.74% < Only 1/6th of the results polled so far? Or is that the % of people who voted?
Yes/Tá 46.37%
No/Níl 53.63%

[niftygifter]

Hmmmm still ongoing:mad:

Think its the returns percentage.

Changing as we speak.


Nifty:cool:

[celtic isis]

Hang on is this over yet????

I have just gone on the referendum site and its changing again??

Is it now finished (I hope so)????

16.74% no vote
46.37% Yes
53.63% NOOO

Nifty:cool:

i think officially at 4pm...skynews are really milking it in a bad way for poor ireland.

Saying and europe has been so good to ireland making it one of the richest countries...why is it then that Ireland's hospitals are in a state of crisis due to lack of funding by the government? Unemployment figures are so high and people can't even afford their own homes!! Not to mention the cost of living.

my dad was telling me he stays away from the hospital now (for check ups) cause he just can't get in there, and people who pay privately can't even have treatment they have to wait like the poor cause the surgeons aren't allowed to work, they have been cut back everywhere...

Crazy stuff.

[celtic isis]

I want to personally thank all the David Icke forum people in the UK and around Europe and further for your support and good wishes during the last couple of weeks.

To see Irish Finance Minister Brian Lenihan on the news today being chased out of his own local polling station by a group of residents screaming "traitor! traitor! traitor!" was incredible. To hear an old lady on the news replying to a patronising news reporter who asked her is she voted NO because she did not understand the Treaty only for her to reply "oh I understand it all right, I just don't like the death penalty, conscription and being taxed to pay for the weather".


Unless you lived in Ireland it is hard to convey the toxic and incessant propaganda to vote YES by the main parties, business community, trade (traitor) unions and famers organisation and the state media RTE backing them all the way. And yet when it came to the voice of the people the ordinary Irish person said NO in record numbers.


lovely post pandamania and thank you for your wonderful reporting on your thread!

I'm glad i wasn't there to see all the propaganda you were subjected to over there.

well done to everyone!!! :)

[kweli]

lovely post pandamania and thank you for your wonderful reporting on your thread!

I'm glad i wasn't there to see all the propaganda you were subjected to over there.

well done to everyone!!! :)

Seconded.

And enjoy your celebrations.. it's in the bag now. :)

[meave]

i'm glad you guys got the vote that you's where looking for :)

[pandamania]

well...well...well... a senior Government minister finally mentions the 'C' word in relation to Lisbon after they all competely laugh off suggestions during the campaign that voters were concerned about it.

and the Gobshites are still trying to make out Irish people voted NO because we do not understand it!


Martin bemoans lack of Lisbon information
Friday, 13 June 2008 14:03

RTÉ.ie/lisbon has complete coverage of the Lisbon Treaty

Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin says a perceived lack of information was the big issue in the Lisbon Treaty campaign.


Mr Martin admitted that people were in doubt 'and when in doubt.leave out.'

He said some people still believed that this could lead to conscription and that the right to life of the unborn an issue.

'For a certain section of the electorate there was a sense that there is a risk there in relation to abortion,' he said.

Declan Ganley of Libertas said it was a great day for democracy and it was a proud day for him to be an Irish and European man.

He said that should a No vote be passed it will be the third time a message will be sent to the elite in Brussels.

He stressed that a No vote by the Irish people was not an anti-European vote.

Munster MEP Kathy Sinnott welcomed the speculated outcome of a victory for the No vote, saying the people of Europe will be delighted with the No outcome as they were not given the chance to vote.

She said there was no rush with Lisbon and it was now more important to get it right. '

Senator Shane Ross has said we are now in an area the Government had not planned to be in.

He said there are lessons to be learned because there is a disconnect between the democratic voice of the people and their leaders.

Uncharted territory

As results come in, Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern admitted 'it does not look good at this stage, it appears to be a strong No.'

'This was Plan B and we are now in uncharted territory. We will have to wait for reaction from the member states to this decision.'

Fine Gael MEP Gay Mitchell warned it would be difficult to turn the referendum to the Yes side and

Mr Mitchell was commenting as he arrived at Dublin Castle and said that issues involved in the campaign needed to be looked at.

He stressed that the argument that there was a lack of information about the treaty does not stand up.

Pat Cox from the Alliance for Europe said it was too soon to call the result definitively, but conceded it did raise a lot of questions for Ireland and the EU.

He predicted that if Ireland does reject the treaty that the ratification process will proceed elsewhere.

Fine Gael's Michael Noonan said the No vote is as a result of the Government campaign not starting on time.

He said it was a mistake to hold the referendum at this time just after a change of leader.

President of the Irish Farmers Association Padraig Walshe said he is very disappointed with the No vote but said we must now work through it.

He said he does not think anyone voted against Europe or voted to damage the Irish economy.

Mr Walshe said we have to analyse the issues that need to be addressed now because we cannot ignore the electorate.

[redhead]

lovely post pandamania and thank you for your wonderful reporting on your thread!

I'm glad i wasn't there to see all the propaganda you were subjected to over there.

well done to everyone!!! :)


I cant convey in words how im feeling about this, i salute the people of Ireland for standing up to the monster that the EU is, people of Europe we must take note and not let the Irish down by rolling over when things get ugly.

AGAIN IRELAND.....I SALUTE YOU :D:D:D

[niftygifter]

I wanna move to IRELAND I could so live there, what a great bunch of people.
It aint far for me either ;)

Nifty:cool:

[kingmonkey]

So it's definitely a NO?

[celtic isis]

I cant convey in words how im feeling about this, i salute the people of Ireland for standing up to the monster that the EU is, people of Europe we must take note and not let the Irish down by rolling over when things get ugly.

AGAIN IRELAND.....I SALUTE YOU :D:D:D

i know, i was in tears watching the rugby team singing to ireland's call earlier :o:D

on skynews they said they're going to find some way to cut ireland out, so that the rest of us will still have to live under the lisbon treaty...but at least ireland will be out and can maybe rescue us later...

[whiterain]

simply brilliant news. now the gobshiites will have to tackle the notion that nobody knew much about the treaty. hmm is this because there is so much good stuff in there for everyone or is it because the governments and media have alot to hide in order for anyone to even consider voting yes. they wont tell us anything about it because its a load of undemocratic communofascist bollocks that nobody would have a chance of decifering unless you had all the other treaties in front of you, a team of lawyers and a free couple of years.

25 years ive been around and ive never heard one news story on the eu that tackles the one factor why anyone should never vote for it. the eu cannot be voted out! every 'democratic' freedom weve ever had would be non existant in a one party eu system. not that im happy with democracy as we know it now, but if anything power should be being fragmented back to the people/ local councils, not all consolidated in a faceless, unaccountable, amoral, corrupt boys club.

thankyou ireland. a couple of guinesses will go down a treat now

[celtic isis]

i posted on skynews blog, but it's moderated so i guess my post won't appear :mad:

http://martinstanford.typepad.com/foreign_matters/2008/06/500-million-eur.html?cid=118719678#comments

[meave]

i posted on skynews blog, but it's moderated so i guess my post won't appear :mad:

http://martinstanford.typepad.com/foreign_matters/2008/06/500-million-eur.html?cid=118719678#comments

under what name?

[and justice for all]

(quick update)

Irish minister says EU vote lost
news.bbc.co.uk

Irish Justice Minister Dermot Ahern says substantial vote tallies across the country show the European Union Lisbon reform treaty has been rejected.

Link;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7452171.stm

[zander]

Thank You So Much For Saying, What The Rest Of Us So Much Wanted To Say!!!!!!

A big bad....

NO!!!

I am a happy man today!!!:D:D:):):p:p;);):D:D

[cheesedanish]

I'm watching Euro News now ... will they put pressure on Ireland
in the future?

[celtic isis]

under what name?

haha proud celt or something lol

i posted again, nope they won't post mycomment! the fucks!!

[redhead]

on skynews they said they're going to find some way to cut ireland out, so that the rest of us will still have to live under the lisbon treaty...but at least ireland will be out and can maybe rescue us later...


Hmmmm, not good :(

[celtic isis]

Hmmmm, not good :(

i know...but as i said ireland will be out of it, it can survey the NWO in europe and maybe plan an uprising to help us...you never know...there is always a way out no matter how bad the situation...

it really pisses me off the way they keep saying an europe has done so much for ireland, it was so poor and shit before, yes and it's still poor and shit now only it's credit poor lol consumerism is rife and people can't pay for anything, and our hospitals are falling apart, even "irishman" liam neeson (who i detest) when asked on french tv if he sees himself as more irish now or more european his answer was, "more european i think. "

TRAITOR!!!! i bet he's pissed today too!!! haha!!! :D

[spikedimitri]

I was thinking; this ain't just good for Ireland and Europe. It's good for the World! :)

They wanna pitch the EU as the model superstate to the Americans, Aisans and Africans, and have them all adopt Babylonian government. If we let the EU reach that goal, it will be easier for the manipulators to push that model on the others around the globe.

Well, they're not gonna! :p

[celtic isis]

I was thinking; this ain't just good for Ireland and Europe. It's good for the World! :)

They wanna pitch the EU as the model superstate to the Americans, Aisans and Africans, and have them all adopt Babylonian government. If we let the EU reach that goal, it will be easier for the manipulators to push that model on the others around the globe.

Well, they're not gonna! :p

you're right spikedimitri :)

also this is the c*nt (sorry but it's heated emotions day today!) who keeps banging on about europe being so good for poor useless little ireland...

http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/qanda/answers.php?page=glenoglaza

turn on skynews and you'll see him, he's on every 15 mins lol

[the seeker]

This Irish American is proud. I will visit again, and I toast my Guinness to you tonight.

[celtic isis]

This Irish American is proud. I will visit again, and I toast my Guinness to you tonight.

:D we all will :)

i posted some pics here if anyone's interested...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27008&page=3

we've got 3 threads on this topic at the one time! :D

[largejack]

The official verdict should come any second now. I wonder what corruption they will carry out now to push it forward?

[celtic isis]

OMG...one of my french neighbours came over to talk to me when i went on the balcony and aww he was so nice, he had thought i was english! he said he saw the flag and what i had put, he's happy now, he used to live in ireland a few years ago :D he said we have to meet up as neighbours sometime and have a drink and a chat! wished me luck for the vote too, that it's important :)

:D aww it's brill!!!

[meave]

OMG...one of my french neighbours came over to talk to me when i went on the balcony and aww he was so nice, he had thought i was english! he said he saw the flag and what i had put, he's happy now, he used to live in ireland a few years ago :D he said we have to meet up as neighbours sometime and have a drink and a chat! wished me luck for the vote too, that it's important :)

:D aww it's brill!!!

get in ther chick:D

[spikedimitri]

Just saw EU Commission President Barossi on RTE giving out about the Irish vote. He implied that Brian Cowen will have some explaining to do when the Commission meets next week! He also said that 18 (out of 27) parliaments have already ratified the treaty and that the ratification process will continue in the remainiing 8 countries regardless. Does anyone know which countries have already ratified this treaty? And which have not? Has the House of Commons over in Britain sold out their people yet? What about France and Holland? :confused:

[on the road]

Great news :)


Has the House of Commons over in Britain sold out their people yet?

thats a big fat YES

[politico]

it was about midday until bbc mentioned it could be a no vote-you could tell they were pissed.
however the way they work it will cause an inconvenience and some legal type will find a way to side track what was supposed to be written in stone -ie that ALL countries needed to ratify for it to pass in law.

Many, many congratulations to the people of Ireland for not being brow beaten into a yes vote.

A victory for democracy-something the EU clearly hate and fear.

[on the road]

now wheres our fucking vote !

fuck the EU

just watchin it live now and the crowd just went wild.

1.6 mil votes

752000ish for
862415 against


fucking hell!!:)

[and justice for all]

OFFICIAL:........ NO VOTE WON!

(waiting for news websites to break it)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/galvino36/eu-flag-NO.jpg

GO IRELAND

[kweli]

now wheres our fucking vote !

fuck the EU
just watchin it live now and the crowd just went wild.

1.6 mil votes

752000ish for
862415 against


fucking hell!!:)

Now that's the spirit! That's what we ALL need to be asking now.

[niftygifter]

They really aren't going to like this publicity are they.:D:D:D:D:D

Proves one thing, the ballot over there wasn't rigged either;)


Nifty:cool: (feeling very chilled and smug)

[basel]

first jump over, now on to the next

[celtic isis]

OMFG!!!! I'M SOOOOOOOO PROUD TO BE IRISH RIGHT NOW!!!!

A BIG GREEN SMILIE!! :D

omg i actually shouted and screamed lol everyone knows i'm irish now in the building and on the street lol!!!

the reactions of the NO camp at dublin castle...what a moment to remember forever no matter the outcome, i'm so happy right now!!!


:D haha the guy announcing the result was so pissed off!!!!

[politico]

in the uk who wants a vote should write to their mp-yea I know most will ignore but the more that do it -the harder to ignore.

plan b -ukip have said that next years euro election should be used as a referendum-problem will be getting sufficient media time to get the message across.

Either way a great day for democracy-well done the Irish-

[and justice for all]

Ireland rejects EU reform treaty
news.bbc.co.uk

Voters in Ireland have rejected the European Union's Lisbon reform treaty in a referendum.

The vote is a major blow to leaders in the 27-nation EU, which requires all its members to ratify the treaty. Only Ireland has held a public vote. [...]

Leaders of the No campaign said the vote was a "great result for Ireland". [...]

The Irish No campaign won by 862,415 votes to 752,451 or 53.4% to 46.6%.

LINK;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7453560.stm

[meave]

Ireland rejects EU reform treaty
news.bbc.co.uk

Voters in Ireland have rejected the European Union's Lisbon reform treaty in a referendum.

The vote is a major blow to leaders in the 27-nation EU, which requires all its members to ratify the treaty. Only Ireland has held a public vote. [...]

Leaders of the No campaign said the vote was a "great result for Ireland". [...]

The Irish No campaign won by 862,415 votes to 752,451 or 53.4% to 46.6%.

LINK;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7453560.stm

that was a close one:eek:

[niftygifter]

Ireland rejects EU reform treaty

Only Ireland has held a public vote. [...]


So they have conned every bloody euro country into this so far...:mad:


Nifty:cool:

[and justice for all]

So they have conned every bloody euro country into this so far...:mad:

Oh yeah...

[whiterain]

They really aren't going to like this publicity are they.:D:D:D:D:D

Proves one thing, the ballot over there wasn't rigged ^enough^ either;)


Nifty:cool: (feeling very chilled and smug)



fixed it for ya :)

[and justice for all]

LOL I thought the same!
:D haha the guy announcing the result was so pissed off!!!!

Congratz & Enjoy! :D

http://clipart.peirceinternet.com/png/celebration1.png

--------
that was a close one:eek:
too close for comfort I know... never the less!!!!!

[celtic isis]

The vote is a major blow to leaders in the 27-nation EU, which requires all its members to ratify the treaty. Only Ireland has held a public vote. [...]

exactly, and people think this is a democracy??? i mean WAKE THE FUCK UP lol

At least 1/3 of Ireland is fully awake or getting there, we could even say half if you count the people who didn't vote...either cause they can't be bothered or they didn't know what to vote, so they have doubts...

the "news" keep saying Ireland was the only country who had to have this referendum according to their form of government...i mean, thank god we did lol

we can still make some decisions for ourselves it seems!!

[dangermouse]

The NWO must be reeling right now, we managed to throw a huge spanner in the works. Well done to all us Irish anti globalists informing people about this treaty. I haven't been posting much of late ( no net at the moment should have next week :D)

I feel so good right now :D

[and justice for all]

exactly, and people think this is a democracy??? i mean WAKE THE FUCK UP lol

At least 1/3 of Ireland is fully awake or getting there, we could even say half if you count the people who didn't vote...either cause they can't be bothered or they didn't know what to vote, so they have doubts...

the "news" keep saying Ireland was the only country who had to have this referendum according to their form of government...i mean, thank god we did lol

we can still make some decisions for ourselves it seems!!

That’s why the UK government is dragging their feet on a referendum, they know the peeps will say a big fat NO! They don’t like going ahead with anything they can’t micromanage or totally control the outcome.

(LOL and as I’m typing this I just heard: Ireland says no, the “deal” is DEAD)

[informationx]

Early tally results from Irish Rerferendum indicate that ireland
will vote NO to lisburn treaty and it could be a huge No vote.

These are only 'tally' results at this stage but usually
quite accurate.

The votes just in, and its a NO. Of course for the people who want the constitution NO = YES.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7453560.stm

:D

[whiterain]

this is brilliant its gonna wake so many people out if their slumber. surely people will start asking questions at least of the media. ie:

why are they not giving us any information on the actual treaty?
why are they rubbishing 'the peoples' decision?
why are they giving us reasons that voting no is wrong rather than why we should vote yes?
whose fucking side are they on anyway?
why does this EU juggernaut seem like no matter how many people say no to it, it keeps rolling on unchecked?
how can these people claim to be bringing more democracy to europe while constantly ignoring and ridiculing the views of the people and knowingly keeping people in the dark about the contents of the treaty?


who the fuck has actually read the damn thing?

[quicksilver]

God bless the Irish THANKYOU.!! :)

[drhemp]

who the fuck has actually read the damn thing?

David Miliband hasn't and the creep even admits at much when he is confronted by We Are Change UK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71INuYQnTk

[ninja17]

I hate it when they say in the german press that every country wants this lisbon treaty but ireland.

For a more democratic Europe!...Right...

[niftygifter]

Am I the only one who is sceptical of both this 'no' vote, and of what it supposedly means? The 'Nice Treaty' remains in effect, the NWO (unless you know otherwise) is firmly on track/in place- isn't this just 'Bread and circuses'?

Ireland has already ceded its 'independence' to the EU- and could never leave. Why would it though- the elite control everything- we have to see past 'countries'. There will still be (or exists already):- a world biometric ID system; manufactured (no pun intended) food shortages; spiralling fuel costs; strict environmental measures/Agenda 21 (designed to reduce us to feudal serfdom); total surveillance (mobile 'phone towers/implantable microchip; chemtrail spraying... etc etc ad infinitum.

Let's all get into tribalism, and praise 'The Irish'- we are ALL prisoners within this totalitarian One-World State. :-/

The vote was won by 862,415 votes to 752,451 (a majority of 109,964). The turnout was only 53.1%. Let's be honest here, did people truly understand what they voted for (either way)?

Just for 'fun'- let's look at the numerology- 8+6+2+4+1+5= 26... 2x6=12
7+5+2+4+5+1=24... 2+4=6
okay... 12+6=18=6+6+6

The majority... 1+0+9+9+6+4= 29... 2x9=18= 6+6+6


Co-incidence?? :-p

Yeah, let's all put our faith in 'democracy'.

Hmmm... Hurry up Obama... the world needs you... bring us Hope™.

This is all a game- we are the pawns- don't fall for it! Anyway, why promote Guinness- it's owned by a multi-national NWO company...

http://www.diageo.com/en-row/homepage.htm

How the Elite must be laughing, eh? Who needs to be involved in the circus of Euro 2008...

Here we go bullshit numerology adding up wrong again.
Make up what you want but GET IT RIGHT
8+6+2+4+1+5= 26... 2x6=12
7+5+2+4+5+1=24... 2+4=6
So why they adding the second line to get the numbers and multiplying on the first??? Just so they can get it to add up to 666???
If your gonna post BULLSHIT, then post consistent BULLSHIT.
WE aint falling for anything.
That event today has screwed up the plans for the Euro state.

Its a great day for Ireland. PERIOD

Nifty:cool:

[wise haven]

God Bless the Irish - even though I am one of them.

You saved us (temporarily) from the doom of a EU dictatorship.

We now have to make sure we bury this crap, deep, before it rears its head again.

On this day I am proud to be a son of Erin.

[on the road]

the BBC aint leaving this alone .the EU is getting fucking slammed left right and centre live !Im loving this shit.

Hopefully the shit will hit the fan now.

[niftygifter]

Care to refute the rest of what I wrote?

Anyway there's no need to be so confrontational, I just expressed an opinion. You are free to believe whatever you want, it would be a very boring world if we were all the same. :)

Don't worry though, that's coming....

Winston,
It was such a positive thread.

I fully understand that its just a little win over a big agenda, but you have to let threads like this run positive because there is WAY too many negative threads on here;)
I'm chilling:rolleyes:
"Don't worry though, that's coming"...well it will if you let it manifest.

Peace

Nifty:cool:

[lightgiver]

If every country had, had a referendum,which they should ve had,

half or three quarters would've voted NO,

britain was promised one,
and never got one,same with most European countries,

so thank goodness Ireland got the vote,

but these EU hoodlums will still try to get there own way,

just shows how apathetic most countries have become,

i bet sarky is pissing his pants ha ha ha:D:D:D

thank goodness for my half Irish gypsy blood, rebellious to the end....................

Irish blood ,english heart.................pity the english do not have bigger balls..............

And NO regime can buy or sell MOI..............................

[lightgiver]

Fair enough niftygifter, I just want people to remain open-minded/objective, and not to be suckered into chasing rainbows. :) What I meant by 'Don't worry though, it's coming' is the Hive Mind/Borg. :)

If this was all real, I would say that the Irish should have held onto their own currency, but they adopted the €uro. :( Sorry for being 'negative' though, but we should always question everything that is spoon-fed to us by the controlled media.

Trust me, I would love to believe that this was a 'victory for democracy', but... [CENSORED] (in order to remain 'positive'). :P :)

This euro note shite was forced on people,there was no VOTE:eek::rolleyes:;):D

not on the continent any hows:)

[orbandsceptre27]

Very happy with the "No" vote today - Unusual to win a referendum where all the major political parties and major business players were pulling out all the stops for the "Yes" side (particularly when Ireland has usually been so pro-Europe) . With only a little over 51% turning out to vote it shows that many were already very skeptical and just stayed away.
I think people are starting to "wake up" to what`s going on behind the veil. This is only one win but a significant one in that it was the only referendum held in 27 countries. It`ll influence many more to ask questions as to why the EU wanted to railroad this through in the first place. Me thinks, however, a second attemt will be made for another referendum (like Nice) after a few months. I`d be surprised if the government did`nt have another go, bombarding us in the meantime with doomsday scenarios and scare tactics of isolationism.
One things for sure, when you`re "awake" your awake and there`s no going back to sleep. Even though I was`nt a major fan of his (as I`ve said before) the ghost of Eamon de Valera must be smiling tonight drinking a stiff one - Cheers Long Fella!

[niftygifter]

With you Winston:D

Hey All,
Whatever, the Battle isn't won by a long shot, BUT and this is a big BUT, thats fucking rattled them today. Its stifled years of their plans to poison, coerce, hoodwink and brainwash the masses and its a very positive kick in the Balls to them that it isn't all going to plan eh???
They've planned this for decades and we are all still here and we are fighting more than they ever dreamed of, when you consider the technology they are supposed to have;).

Whats more, people are gonna wake from this, I've already posted on non awake forums about it, do the same it will get more people thinking about it and maybe questioning it.

Great start to the weekend, gonna get some blues played on my strat and some wine down me neck.

Nifty:D

[orbandsceptre27]

Well said Niftygifter - but you aren`t honestly taking the weekend off?? We must strike NOW while the iron is hot! 2012 is only around the corner so there`s no time to lose. I`m opening up a Zen meditation centre in the next couple of weeks, so ure welcome to come on over to Ireland and check it out. Bring your strat with u and I`ll demonstrate a good exercise you can use - like raping it over ure head!
Painful you say - painful it is, but pain is an illusion - It`s not part of you. So after I wallop you two or three times with ure strat, you`ll notice the pain completely disipates.............. and then - YOU`RE FREE, completely in the now! You won`t believe me til you try it. But be careful............. you don`t want to damage a fine musical instrument :D
For such insightful knowledge one is often inclined to GIVE THANKS! But don`t thank me my brother, pay me :D :cool:

[baron von lotsov]

Well done all you Irish. You saved the day for 500 million people.

[keystone]

Well done all you Irish. You saved the day for 500 million people.

Not yet they haven't. The French and Dutch voted against this constitution, sorry, treaty in 2005 and it still came back.

The people need to rise up against it en masse. Then perhaps the buggers will listen.

[baron von lotsov]

Not yet they haven't. The French and Dutch voted against this constitution, sorry, treaty in 2005 and it still came back.

The people need to rise up against it en masse. Then perhaps the buggers will listen.

They wont get the Irish to vote for it if they tried again. Instead they intend to go ahead against their own laws. This will make the constitution entirely illegitimate and expose them beyond doubt as corrupt.

[seanx]

Irish blood ,english heart.................pity the english do not have bigger balls..............

And NO regime can buy or sell MOI..............................

I agree with you totally here. baron..

This was a a very big turnout- the focus is now on the British.


It is they - and they alone who can save Europe;

The IRISH have done their part - But now together with the the Brit's
and especially their history against the nazis and fascist control of
Europe - this Elite's control of Europe is doomed.

Yet still, the Brits won't DEMAND their OWN referundum.

I can't understand this.

THIS IS THE SAME COUNTRY WHO STOOD ALONE .....
AND DEFEATED NAZIS GERMANY, while the Americans debated..
...and played around with these issues.

And Yet Britian is now silent....

[jvx19]

I do not, nor does anyone I know who supports Ron Paul would support Obama by default. That is a fallacious assumption.

[jhado]

On the BBC a few minutes ago, they reckon that the NO vote was simply a way of having a dig at the Irish government, and nothing to do with Europe.
Since this was on the BBC ,it must be true.;)

I was listening to the BBC because my car-ariel is kaput, and it's the only station I can get at the minute.

[niftygifter]

Well said Niftygifter - but you aren`t honestly taking the weekend off?? We must strike NOW while the iron is hot! 2012 is only around the corner so there`s no time to lose. I`m opening up a Zen meditation centre in the next couple of weeks, so ure welcome to come on over to Ireland and check it out. Bring your strat with u and I`ll demonstrate a good exercise you can use - like raping it over ure head!
Painful you say - painful it is, but pain is an illusion - It`s not part of you. So after I wallop you two or three times with ure strat, you`ll notice the pain completely disipates.............. and then - YOU`RE FREE, completely in the now! You won`t believe me til you try it. But be careful............. you don`t want to damage a fine musical instrument :D
For such insightful knowledge one is often inclined to GIVE THANKS! But don`t thank me my brother, pay me :D :cool:

ROFL.
You can twat me over the head with anything you like, but not my guitars.
And NO I never take the weekend off;)
Back on it now and posting on "Non awake" forums.
Especially the Water fuelled car because they can all relate to that as it would financial enhance them:D

Nifty:cool:

[and justice for all]

EU referendum: Czech president says Lisbon Treaty project is over
By Justin Stares in Brussels - telegraph.co.uk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00678/lisbon-treaty-votes_678797c.jpg


The Czechs have hammered another nail into the coffin of the Lisbon treaty by declaring that ratification must stop.

Czech president Vaclav Klaus, who is supported by the country's largest political party, called the Irish referendum vote a "victory of freedom and reason" and said "ratification cannot continue".

His view was echoed in the Czech senate.

"Politicians have allowed the citizens to express their opinion only in a single EU country," Mr Klaus said.

"The Lisbon treaty project ended with the Irish voters' decision and its ratification cannot continue," he wrote on his own website, according to Czech news agency CTK.

The resounding Irish no was a "victory of freedom and reason over artificial elitist projects and European bureaucracy," he said.

Premysl Sobotka, Czech senate chairman, also said there was "no sense" continuing with ratification, according to the agency.

The Czech Republic, traditionally one of the more Euro-skeptic of the EU's 27 member states, is one of nine countries which have not yet ratified the treaty.

While little opposition to continued ratification has been seen yet among leaders of the other eight, efforts to keep the Lisbon Treaty alive in any form would be near impossible if another country joined Ireland in rejection. [...]

Read More;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/2128391/EU-referendum-Czech-president-says-Lisbon-Treaty-project-is-over.html

[zander]

Nice one!
Lets hope they all start to fall like a pack of cards now:D

[spikedimitri]

Czech president Vaclav Klaus, who is supported by the country's largest political party, called the Irish referendum vote a "victory of freedom and reason" and said "ratification cannot continue".

Fantastic news. I think the NO vote could be a great springboard to get more people to stand up against the EU. We gotta keep the discussion alive.

The foreign ministers of Europe meet on Monday, and the Commission (27 heads of state) meet at the end of the week. Also this week, the House of Commons moves into the final stages of ratification. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

[drhemp]

This is brilliant, does this mean that the NWO (the Great Work) is dead and buried now? Yippee... tear down the CCTV cameras; mobile 'phone masts; take over the controlled media; storm parliament; set up a junta, and broadcast live from Buck House! "Sorry to disturb you ma'am..."

...or not.

We've already gone too far down the road to perdition, this is just 'bread and circuses'. How about 'Climate Change' and chemtrail spraying; spiralling fuel costs; the so-called 'credit crunch'? All over now? Brilliant!!!!! "Applied Digital Solutions- cancel those 'chips- the NWO ain't gonna happen!" Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed or implied are not necessarily the views of Kathy Staff, Bill Tarmey, or Mrs Butterworth at number 33. All rights reserved. ©copyright MMVIII TheyLive Inc.

Seriously folks, this is all being played out; once again- WORLD GOVERNMENT- read your David Icke books...

They have to give us 'victories' from time to time- or we might just...kick the TV in or something!!

Maybe, but the look on some of the Eurocrats faces leads me to believe that a No vote was certainly not the desired outcome for the NWO.

Anyone can see this is a kick in the teeth for the EU. Under EU laws the Treaty cannot come into place if it is not ratified in every EU country, which is why they ditched the last one, changed a few commas and introduced it again with a different name.

If we take the negative attitude that we are not empowered to do something to stop these bastards, then they win. They are not having it all their own way.

[spikedimitri]

This is brilliant, does this mean that the NWO (the Great Work) is dead and buried now? Yippee... tear down the CCTV cameras; mobile 'phone masts; take over the controlled media; storm parliament; set up a junta, and broadcast live from Buck House! "Sorry to disturb you ma'am..."

...or not.

We've already gone too far down the road to perdition, this is just 'bread and circuses'. How about 'Climate Change' and chemtrail spraying; spiralling fuel costs; the so-called 'credit crunch'? All over now? Brilliant!!!!! "Applied Digital Solutions- cancel those 'chips- the NWO ain't gonna happen!" Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed or implied are not necessarily the views of Kathy Staff, Bill Tarmey, or Mrs Butterworth at number 33. All rights reserved. ©copyright MMVIII TheyLive Inc.

Seriously folks, this is all being played out; once again- WORLD GOVERNMENT- read your David Icke books...

They have to give us 'victories' from time to time- or we might just...kick the TV in or something!!

w1nstonsm1th84, you seem to be a bit defeatist. All the shit that makes up this new world order agenda is predicated on the target population giving their power away (either abjectly or unwittingly) to those manipulating events. Creating a federal European superstate has been a main target for the political agenda as it the model for regionalisation that can lead to the very World Government we all wanna see the back of.

This doesn't negate the manipuations in other areas (economic, military, social, spiritual etc.,), nor does it mean that the whole political project has been defeated. But the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty were the same as the draft Constitution that was rejected by the French and Dutch electorate. The reason it was the same, is because those political and legal changes are part of the same plan to create the superstate prototype. And now that plan has been rejected by another electorate. And the Czechs have stood up now to express their dissapproval of the document.

The Bilderbergers wanted the constitution to be in place at the start of this decade and they are no doubt frustrated at being at least five years behind schedule! That's not gonna stop them engineering WW3, but it's definately a step in the right direction.

[basel]

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy led calls on Saturday for the European Union to press on with ratifying its reform treaty, but Ireland's "No" vote revived talk of pro-European capitals forming their own club.

Sarkozy said the rejection of the reform pact in Thursday's referendum should not spark a crisis and confirmed that Prime Minister Gordon Brown had assured him he would defy British eurosceptics and pursue its endorsement.

"Today, 18 European states have ratified. The others must continue to ratify...so that this Irish incident does not become a crisis," Sarkozy told a news conference with U.S. President George W. Bush in Paris.

Others also interpreted Britain's swift pledge on Friday to pursue ratification as a sign it would back a joint effort by France and Germany to salvage the pact, known as the Lisbon treaty, during the French Presidency of the EU later this year.

But Luxembourg Prime Minister and veteran EU deal-maker Jean-Claude Juncker was more downbeat, forecasting the emergence of a two-speed Europe in which a small grouping of EU states would develop joint policy initiatives by themselves.

"Given that it is increasingly hard to get all states moving together, probably the only thing left is a 'Club of the Few'," said Juncker, a contender for the powerful EU president post foreseen by the treaty.

France's Le Monde newspaper called for the launch of an "avant-garde" of nations ready to agree policy by majority voting rather than by unanimity, while Germany's Sueddeutsche Zeitung predicted a "Europe of varying intensities".

"Time has shown that the majority of EU states follow when a small group seizes the initiative," it wrote.

Any bid to salvage the project would be in sharp contrast to 2005, when "No" votes in founder EU members France and the Netherlands sounded the death knell for the planned EU constitution which the new treaty was drafted to replace.

"This time the scenario is radically different," said Belgium's Le Soir. "The idea is to completely isolate Ireland."

"STUFF THE IRISH"?

Commentators fretted over the damage done to the EU's image abroad by the resounding 53.4 percent vote against a treaty aimed at streamlining decision-making in the enlarged 27-member bloc and strengthening its voice on the world stage.

Many argued the referendum was not against the treaty itself -- an opaque text few profess to have read -- but was hijacked by domestic issues and a popular dissatisfaction throughout the bloc with an EU widely regarded as elitist and bureaucratic.

France's Le Figaro suggested that the Irish be called to vote again on a tweaked text and that Paris, Berlin and should London work together to get EU reform back on track.

Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who must now present ideas on the way forward to an EU summit next week, said late on Friday he was not "ruling anything in or out or up or down" but officials in Dublin do not relish the prospect of a new vote.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters during a trip to China the onus was now on Ireland to "clear the way" for the bloc's other 26 members to continue developing joint EU policies, without elaborating.

Cypriot Foreign Minister Markos Kyprianou also suggested one option was working out "special arrangements" for Ireland while the other 26 states moved ahead with ratification.

But Greece's To Vima newspaper said the fate of the treaty lay in the hands of countries with strong Eurosceptic currents such as Britain and the Czech Republic, whose president insisted on Friday that ratification moves must be frozen.

Speculation was rife about the way ahead.

Scenarios listed by Britain's Guardian newspaper ranged from the rise of a two-speed Europe and the improbable outcome that Ireland be told to leave the EU -- what it called the "Stuff the Irish" solution.

But it sighed: "What happens now is as clear as peat soil."

(Reporting by London, Nicosia, Paris, Berlin, Athens, Rome, and Madrid bureaus; editing by Robert Hart)





The people voted NO and i thought that was plain enough, now heads in Britain and Europe who can't play with their balls say stuff the IRISH, Charming

Basel


http://www.ardsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=394

[and justice for all]

From what I can read... I see a lot of peed off people. I wonder how does it feel for them...? Does it burn? It ain’t fun to get your teeth kicked in, uh!

And now they’re throwing all the toys out the pram in a fret tantrum. “Stuff the Irish” it’s their attitude now. How original!

Pathetic. These globalists buffoons that are supposed to be so feared, are just pathetic maggots.


Thanks for the article basel!

[whiterain]

such utter arrogance shown by the eu worshippers. dont they even realise all this is making it obvious to everyone how undemocratic and pointless the whole eu system is

[whiterain]

This is brilliant, does this mean that the NWO (the Great Work) is dead and buried now? Yippee... tear down the CCTV cameras; mobile 'phone masts; take over the controlled media; storm parliament; set up a junta, and broadcast live from Buck House! "Sorry to disturb you ma'am..."

...or not.

We've already gone too far down the road to perdition, this is just 'bread and circuses'. How about 'Climate Change' and chemtrail spraying; spiralling fuel costs; the so-called 'credit crunch'? All over now? Brilliant!!!!! "Applied Digital Solutions- cancel those 'chips- the NWO ain't gonna happen!" Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed or implied are not necessarily the views of Kathy Staff, Bill Tarmey, or Mrs Butterworth at number 33. All rights reserved. ©copyright MMVIII TheyLive Inc.

Seriously folks, this is all being played out; once again- WORLD GOVERNMENT- read your David Icke books...

They have to give us 'victories' from time to time- or we might just...kick the TV in or something!!

you are really determined to not see the bright side of this arent you. this is a major sign that people dont want consolidation of power. even if many voted no for the wrong reasons, this will push so many more into finding out what the eu is all about. this is a great sign that we will not be tricked and bullied into this. it could be quite funny in that anti eu feeling could really unite the people of europe if not the governments. we will all have a common goal soon

[and justice for all]

such utter arrogance shown by the eu worshippers. dont they even realise all this is making it obvious to everyone how undemocratic and pointless the whole eu system is

... and that’s precisely what I’m loving about all this.
This is exposing them for what they really are. They’re doing it all on their stupid own, no assistance required.

[kweli]

I'm very pessimistic where our political systems are concerned, but to me this is one big victory to the people -- the people told the system to fuck off!

I've always been proud of my Irish blood, but never prouder than I am right now.

[kweli]

EU referendum: Czech president says Lisbon Treaty project is over
By Justin Stares in Brussels - telegraph.co.uk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00678/lisbon-treaty-votes_678797c.jpg


The Czechs have hammered another nail into the coffin of the Lisbon treaty by declaring that ratification must stop.

Czech president Vaclav Klaus, who is supported by the country's largest political party, called the Irish referendum vote a "victory of freedom and reason" and said "ratification cannot continue".

His view was echoed in the Czech senate.

"Politicians have allowed the citizens to express their opinion only in a single EU country," Mr Klaus said.

"The Lisbon treaty project ended with the Irish voters' decision and its ratification cannot continue," he wrote on his own website, according to Czech news agency CTK.

The resounding Irish no was a "victory of freedom and reason over artificial elitist projects and European bureaucracy," he said.

Premysl Sobotka, Czech senate chairman, also said there was "no sense" continuing with ratification, according to the agency.

The Czech Republic, traditionally one of the more Euro-skeptic of the EU's 27 member states, is one of nine countries which have not yet ratified the treaty.

While little opposition to continued ratification has been seen yet among leaders of the other eight, efforts to keep the Lisbon Treaty alive in any form would be near impossible if another country joined Ireland in rejection. [...]

Read More;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/2128391/EU-referendum-Czech-president-says-Lisbon-Treaty-project-is-over.html

Thanks for posting, very interesting.

[and justice for all]

Hey don’t mention it kweli, that’s what we’re here for, to keep the info flowing :)

[spikedimitri]

I think it's important to keep up the Anti-Treaty rhetoric in the countries yet to ratify. The issues that came to light in the Irish debate, even though they lacked the coverage they deserved, are still pressing for those whose governments are still gonna pursue this agenda.

Issues like: how the Qualified Majority Voting system will give powers to the big countries (Italy, Britain and especially France and Germany (or rather their elites!)) to propose and implement legislation affecting everyone, and also the increased powers to block legislation they don't like. This is centralising power. You only have to manipulate 4 parliaments (or even 2 in some cases) in order to push your agenda on 27 countries. And that's just the system the Illuminati want.

Also the European Charter of Fundamental Rights will become a legal document for countries that pass this treaty. This is basically Europe's Patriot Act, including provisions for the death penalty, police immunity from prosecution for causing wrongful deaths, and detaining unruly children for re-education. For more on this check out Greg O'Brien's article on wise up journal: http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=285

I certainly hope the Irish NO vote will give the Czechs the encouragement to bury this Treaty.

[2013]

I'm very pessimistic where our political systems are concerned, but to me this is one big victory to the people -- the people told the system to fuck off!

I've always been proud of my Irish blood, but never prouder than I am right now.

Good for them and you mate positive attitude just shows some people arent ready to roll over and take it ! Just got back from the wrong side of the river watching fellow irishman john lydon doing the iow festival , i was expecting maybe a comment on it from him but couldnt make out anything due to the crowd noise .Tons of people watching from the river bank , good to hear the old tunes and even more relevant today .Finished with hawkwinds silver machine :cool:Thankfully the spirit of rebellioin is still being kept alive .

[spikedimitri]

What'ya talking 'bout w1nstonsm1th84? I listened to that Watts blurb. People have to "keep pounding away, because their is much more at stake." That's the exact same point that I was making! No one is dumb enough to think the Big Boys are gonna go: "Aww no. Ireland voted No. Iguess we should scrap the entire plan :rolleyes:!" But that don't mean that the vote wasn't a significant blow to their plans and an expression of public resistance to creeping totalitarianism.

On the hyper-nationalism thing when it comes to Ireland, I've come across this before on these forums. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24429&highlight=Irish+Barley

I don't think anyone means to be superior or elitist when they express feeling good about being Irish. It's probably more about the tradition of the noble underdog in Ireland, what with the romanticisation of our suffering under British (should read; Zionist and Vatican) rule. This may be exagerated or misrepresented in some places. And of course the manipulation of national identies (via the in-group/out-group divide and rule strategy) finds a model example in how Irish history has been an expression of this global agenda. Look no further than the Troubles....

[spikedimitri]

That's OK mate.

I know the poll don't mean Ireland is awake. 2 members of my own family voted Yes (:mad:), despite my presentation of the problems with the treaty and the NWO.

And those that voted NO, may have been following the "If in doubt, leave it out" principle, rather than seeing how the treaty fits into the big picture, and exactly why it's a bad idea.

there is still a lot to do to raise awareness about the agenda, but I do think the NO campaign, and it's victory, was overall a good sign.:)

[h2pogo]

write to a lord and demand a refferendum in the uk.
its quite easy and you can read their debates.
http://www.writetothem.com/lords
while you are there let them know how pissed we would be if they extend the lack of habius corpus.

[spikedimitri]

w1nstonsm1th84 The reason why this irks me so much, is that I can see how people are being played with by the 'elite', and can imagine them laughing like hyenas when people talk of gaining 'victories' over them. I would love to be 'positive' about it, but I would be deluding myself.

We're dealing with psychopathic control freaks here- they would never let the people's views get in the way of democracy. :-/

Don't forget, this is their system- how can we win if we play by their rules?

I don't think people were being played by the elite in the normal sense: that being the normal course of deceptive spectacle that passes for politics. This referendum was an unavoidable headache for them.

It happened because the Irish constitution is slightly different to the legal basis of other countries. It was drafted in 1937 (while the Illuminati were focused on engineering WW2) and came into effect when Ireland became a sovereign republic in 1949. And it requires a public vote on any changes to it. That's why Ireland always has a referendum on EU Treaties, because they alter the constitution (the legal document) on which the country is run. I'm sure the elite who alllowed it to happen (since Irish independence was part of a wider strategy) thought nothing of it at the time, but 50 years later it has come to bite them in the behind!

They wanted to force through the EU constitution on everyone through stealth after the French and Dutch openly rejected it, but couldn't get around this problem with the Irish constitution requiring a public vote. And I'm sure it pisses off their masters too! Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (the Knight of Malta, who was charged with fronting the constitution on behalf of the Illuminati) no doubt expected this whole part of the plan to be done and dusted five years ago when they initially proposed this document. And now it is 2008 and they still don't have their precious United States of Europe! It may not avert the planned conflict between the US and China, but at least they don't get to have it all their own way in Europe. :p

[celtic isis]

Sorry spikedimitri I deleted my posting before you replied... sorry about that, but I'm glad that you have your eyes pretty much opened. You should have quoted me, sorry about that. I just thought better of it- I didn't anticipate a response like yours, just thought I'd get knee-jerk reactionary vitriol.

I still don't think that this has scuppered/delayed the EU's (global elite's) plans in any way shape or form- it's all a side show. Don't forget that ~47% of the Irish voters were in favour of the treaty though...

yeah but we have a chance now to influence that 47 percent now :)

look it's a HUGE victory, Ireland was bullied heavily by its own government and it still had the balls to turn around and say NO!!!!

It's a sign that at least 2/3 of ireland is awake or at least thinking for itself, as 800, 000 voted NO and then another i don't know how many thousand purposely made unreadable votes or ballots lol

there's just the sheep who voted YES now to convert...

either way it'll wake people u to what's really going on, the lisbon treaty stuff will lead them all over the NWO agenda :)

of course the big knob elite's plans will still go ahead, but it may be hindered slightly by ireland telling them FU EU!!!

i for one am DAMN PROUD!!!

EVEN THE MOST PERFECT PLANS CAN HAVE HOLES!!! BE POSITIVE!!! EITHER WAY IT'S GOOD!!!

[hagbard_celine]

UP THE IRISH! :cool::)

Good for them!

[celtic isis]

They have to give us 'victories' from time to time- or we might just...kick the TV in or something!!

they didn't give us anything - the irish people did it, as a nation of people who suffered opression for hundreds of years under british rule we know what freedom really means, even though some forgot it and gave most of their keys to the kingdom of ireland away to the EU...but no now they're waking up!!!

WE said NO - the elite had no control over that. It was a close call but next time hopefully it won't.

keep it positive, we have a small chance here, the NWO can be stopped, just have to keep informing.

[niftygifter]

keep it positive, we have a small chance here, the NWO can be stopped, just have to keep informing.


Thats the way Girl;)


Nifty:cool:

[celtic isis]

Thats the way Girl;)


Nifty:cool:

hehe i hope so nifty!!! friday was so freaking brilliant i do not want to lost that feeling!

they had completely underestimated us!!

:p to the elite!!

they just better not say yes next time! really have to get a plan going to email stuff to people, i'm going to try and add everyone off the ireland network on facebook (the largest network) so i can mail an info pack on the lisbon treaty for next time, i'm also going to actually read that F'in treaty inside out, cause i haven't as of yet :o bad i know but i will now, i don't have to i already know what it's about lol

anyway the elite won't do what we expect them to do, i guess they will make a loop hole for ireland though, but at least ireland wll be far enough out it might be able to step in when us on the continent of europe are being dragged off to labour camps...:eek:

i'm not giving up!!!

[hagbard_celine]

Paddy Power is more than just the name of a whiskey!:cool:

[celtic isis]

Paddy Power is more than just the name of a whiskey!:cool:

hahaha!!! good one hagbard!!! :D great idea for a slogan ;)

don't mess with paddy power :D

[hagbard_celine]

hahaha!!! good one hagbard!!! :D great idea for a slogan ;)

don't mess with paddy power :D


I'm afraid I didn't coin it. I saw it on the cover of that bastion of quality British journalism: The Sun!:o

[celtic isis]

I'm afraid I didn't coin it. I saw it on the cover of that bastion of quality British journalism: The Sun!:o

haha i was thinking that after, was going to say i bet a newspaper has already usd that heading lol

yeah the sun are pathetic eh, they slate icke viciously on the one hand, and yet are all out for freedom on the other!

feckin twats, they don't realise this is what icke is about, and goes into the EU shite in detail in his books!!!

:mad:

also just found this interesting vid of footage of the demonstration in strasbourg the day before gordon brown signed the treaty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcG2G_6uC0

can anyone find a clip of the irish vote being announced as no? i can't find!!!

[celtic isis]

just to add, is it just me who thinks this or does anyone else feel that at least one of these threads should be made a sticky???

we have at least one real chance of screwing over the NWO brigade here, not matter how small it is (not forgetting this is a huge victory for the people, it really is!!!) how many of other members countries on here would actually have the balls to say no to both the bullying of their government and from Europe itself, and ireland is only a small country...

i'm sure if the UK had down this it'd be a different story, i'm amazed at the members on here who aren't even bothering to congratulate the irish people!!!!

i'm sorry but it has to be said!!!

[meave]

just to add, is it just me who thinks this or does anyone else feel that at least one of these threads should be made a sticky???

we have at least one real chance of screwing over the NWO brigade here, not matter how small it is (not forgetting this is a huge victory for the people, it really is!!!) how many of other members countries on here would actually have the balls to say no to both the bullying of their government and from Europe itself, and ireland is only a small country...

i'm sure if the UK had down this it'd be a different story, i'm amazed at the members on here who aren't even bothering to congratulate the irish people!!!!

i'm sorry but it has to be said!!!

yeah a victory thread would be good or a hall of fame to focus on the good fight

[kweli]

just to add, is it just me who thinks this or does anyone else feel that at least one of these threads should be made a sticky???
we have at least one real chance of screwing over the NWO brigade here, not matter how small it is (not forgetting this is a huge victory for the people, it really is!!!) how many of other members countries on here would actually have the balls to say no to both the bullying of their government and from Europe itself, and ireland is only a small country...

i'm sure if the UK had down this it'd be a different story, i'm amazed at the members on here who aren't even bothering to congratulate the irish people!!!!

i'm sorry but it has to be said!!!

No I think it would be a good idea to sticky it too Celtic. :)

It is indeed a huge victory and who knows where this victory will lead - - Not sure what's going on, but check this out: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28456

[kweli]

Flippin' 'eck... this is what I meant by hyper nationalism. I hope I don't get knee-capped later!

Only joking folks. :)

Wake up to these scams of the 'elite'- you are happy now- but the worst is yet to come. They plan by the decade (and then some)- this is all going according to plan. Don't you think that they anticipated this? They could have rigged the outcome if they had wished to (maybe they did)- that's why they went to such extents as to show the vote counters being scrutinised by prats with clipboards and Biros.

Good luck to you if you have faith in the 'elite's' brand of democracy...


I have no faith in the 'elites' brand of democracy, none whatsever! That's plain to see from my previous posts on this forum. However, I do have faith in the people - - people power and the power of collective action. I'm a regular listener to Alan Watt too, but that doesn't stop me having hope/faith. Remember, we are many.. they are but a few.

[meave]

and i'm not irish

[2013]

The longest journey begins with a single step :D

[celtic isis]

Flippin' 'eck... this is what I meant by hyper nationalism. I hope I don't get knee-capped later!

Only joking folks. :)

Wake up to these scams of the 'elite'- you are happy now- but the worst is yet to come. They plan by the decade (and then some)- this is all going according to plan. Don't you think that they anticipated this? They could have rigged the outcome if they had wished to (maybe they did)- that's why they went to such extents as to show the vote counters being scrutinised by prats with clipboards and Biros.

Good luck to you if you have faith in the 'elite's' brand of democracy...

get over yourself :) why rain on our little parade here constantly on every thread on this?

that's just it WE don't have faith cause the people said no!!! people are seeing the EU's version of democracy doesnt exist!

look the elite hadn't banked on this, u can see it in the reactions, it doesn't make sense, why they would even have wanted ireland to even be partly written out of the treaty so they could go on with the EU superstate anyway? Even though i know they don't give a shite about ireland anyhow...but still, people will see through the fake democracy now that ireland said no.

i'm telling you some people ar waking up and making their feelings known...

we are all aware of the tricks the elite play, whte is black and all that, if i'm wrong i'll eat my hat lol but i really feel this was a kick in the teeth to them at least, we know they'll still more than likely (if we don't act NOW) get their NWO agenda but i really think this is at least one spark of hope.

[celtic isis]

Please see my last posting. :)

yes yes, i see where you're coming from and you make good points, but stop pissing over this please.

i know the people will more than likely wait until the NWO has been brought in before acting, you just have to look at the UK to see a country already living in an orwellian state without even realising it, thanks to the media's and living within th ebox mentality...

but there is a glimmer, a tiny glimmer of Fing hope!!! we have to run with it!!!!

(not to just attack the UK, the US and everywhere incuding ireland is the same all across the world...but it is the most blantant and the ordinary folk are the most indenial)

[niftygifter]

Hey No disrespect to Winston here, as he is perfectly entitled to his own opinion and thats what this forum is about, along with easing the pain to others on here, support and everything that goes with a community;)

But folks, just stop a minute and see what one negatively charged post can do to just a thread

Can you see how easy it is to affect people?????

Now turn it around and make it positive, add the rest of the forum members and we are really a force to be reckoned with

We can actually influence anything we wish, should we wish..

Serious food for thought:rolleyes:


Nifty:cool:

[dangermouse]

All I can say is lol :D

Anti-treaty group denies getting funding through US military linksHead of anti-Lisbon Treaty campaign group Libertas, Declan Ganley denies any CIA link to the source of his €1.3m funding.

(http://www.independent.ie/national-news/antitreaty-group-denies-getting-funding-through-us-military-linkshead-of-antilisbon-treaty-campaign-group-libertas-declan-ganley-denies-any-cia-link-to-the-source-of-his-836413m-funding-1396196.html)
NO' campaign group, Libertas, was last night challenged to clarify if it was getting its funding from "the CIA, the UK Independence Party or their friends in the US military".

The challenge came as Libertas became the latest 'No' campaign group to accept that the Lisbon Treaty won't affect this country's abortion laws.

The anti-treaty group, headed by businessman Declan Ganley, was last night targeted by Fine Gael MEP Gay Mitchell, who queried the €1.3m he said Libertas was spending on its Lisbon campaign.

"Are they getting it from the CIA, the UK Independence Party or their friends in the US military? I don't believe they are getting it from €100 donations," he said.

Accusation

Libertas simply denied the accusation and said it had no further comment to make.

Mr Ganley's company, Rivada, does supply a section of the US military, but he said yesterday that this had nothing to do with his views on Lisbon.

"My work is in the public safety sector and with those involved in disaster recovery and public safety and nothing else.

"The branch of the green suits in the military that we work with are the National Guard, who respond to hurricanes, disasters, earthquakes, that kind of thing," he said.

Attacking Fine Gael and Labour, Mr Ganley said that their MEPs had voted in the European Parliament in favour of EU moves that would see tax rates harmonised.

Tactic

The exact same tactic was adopted by Mr Cowen during the general election campaign last year, when he accused the opposition parties of undermining Ireland's position on corporation tax.

Libertas is highlighting Fine Gael and Labour's vote three years ago on a European Parliament report, part of which called for some single tax rates across the EU.

Although the Lisbon Treaty ensures the Government still retains a veto on tax matters at EU level, Mr Ganley claims the "enhanced co-operation" elements will mean a consolidated tax base could be introduced by the back door.

"There is no reason to believe anything that Fine Gael or Labour say on matters of taxation, given that they have voted to criticise Ireland in the EU parliament for wanting to retain our tax independence," he said.

Labour's Ruairi Quinn firmly rejected Mr Ganley's claims, accusing him of "misleading" the public and of "selectively quoting" from the Parliament report.

"We have a veto in relation to direct taxation," he said.

"Libertas are scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to scare people," he added.

Meanwhile, Libertas spokesperson Caroline Simons said the Treaty would not give the European Union influence over abortion laws in this country.

"In relation to the abortion issue, there is, as you know, since the Maastricht Treaty, a protocol reserving to Ireland the full rights to interpret Article 40.3.3 and keeping that outside the ambit and the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice," she said.

But she said in relation to other aspects, such as reproductive medicine, the European Court of Justice "may very well become involved".

- Fionnan Sheahan Political Editor

[celtic isis]

Hey No disrespect to Winston here, as he is perfectly entitled to his own opinion and thats what this forum is about, along with easing the pain to others on here, support and everything that goes with a community;)

But folks, just stop a minute and see what one negatively charged post can do to just a thread

Can you see how easy it is to affect people?????

Now turn it around and make it positive, add the rest of the forum members and we are really a force to be reckoned with

We can actually influence anything we wish, should we wish..

Serious food for thought:rolleyes:


Nifty:cool:

you're right nifty :) thanks for that!

and dangermouse i was wondering when you'd join the par-tay! :D it's brill!

either way there's a movement going on in ireland now and that's gotta be a good thing.

[bicycle]

EUROPE lay in tatters last night, ravaged by the strongest leprechaun curse in over a decade.


Little people across the Emerald Isle drank whiskey, smoked pipes and danced jig after jig late into the night in celebration of their successful spell.

The savage curse was placed by Finnan O'Flaherty, a grade six leprechaun from County Kerry.

He said: "Oi be tellin' ye now, by the light of a full Spring moon, ye'll not be ratifyin' a treaty that leads to structural reforms of the Council o' Ministers agricultural sub-committee.

"Oi'll be skippin' down Killarney high street with a daisy in me cap before I'd be allowin' such a passage of affairs."

O'Flaherty said he added extra potency to the evil charm by drinking a special brew of cowslip and dandelions, chased down with a half-pint of Bacardi and coke.

But the issue has led to deep divisions within the leprechaun community with many little people claiming the curse could backfire and destroy the country's bottomless pot of shiny European gold.

Ireland's biggest-selling leprechaun newspaper the Killarney Bucket, last night devoted its front page to a strongly-worded attack on the curse, under the headline, 'O'Flaherty, ya great fuckin' eejit!'.

[celtic isis]

EUROPE lay in tatters last night, ravaged by the strongest leprechaun curse in over a decade.


Little people across the Emerald Isle drank whiskey, smoked pipes and danced jig after jig late into the night in celebration of their successful spell.

The savage curse was placed by Finnan O'Flaherty, a grade six leprechaun from County Kerry.

He said: "Oi be tellin' ye now, by the light of a full Spring moon, ye'll not be ratifyin' a treaty that leads to structural reforms of the Council o' Ministers agricultural sub-committee.

"Oi'll be skippin' down Killarney high street with a daisy in me cap before I'd be allowin' such a passage of affairs."

O'Flaherty said he added extra potency to the evil charm by drinking a special brew of cowslip and dandelions, chased down with a half-pint of Bacardi and coke.

But the issue has led to deep divisions within the leprechaun community with many little people claiming the curse could backfire and destroy the country's bottomless pot of shiny European gold.

Ireland's biggest-selling leprechaun newspaper the Killarney Bucket, last night devoted its front page to a strongly-worded attack on the curse, under the headline, 'O'Flaherty, ya great fuckin' eejit!'.

lol where did you get that from bicycle?

just finished watching a vid on google vid called "The Real Face of the EU", great stuff. Britain and Ireland will have to join forces in this, if we did we'd screw the elite's plans completely.

Imagine that, two nations with such a history (Britian and Ireland, the former once the oppressor of the latter) and now they could join together and save not only the people of Europe but the people of the world...

[celtic isis]

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=9

wearechangeireland talking with michael tsarion! :D