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ban freekmasons
13-06-2008, 08:32 AM
Minister steps down from Masons to avoid criticism

A senior minister has resigned from the Freemasons because he felt that membership of the organisation would leave him open to criticism. Michael Mike Russell, who has responsibility for the environment, has quit the Bute lodge after being admitted four years ago. A spokesperson for first minister Alex Salmond said he had "no idea" if other ministers were Freemasons. Membership of the society surfaced as an issue in the first term of the parliament when calls were made for MSPs to declare their membership.
Tory MSPs David McLetchie and Jamie McGrigor, as well as former Conservative members Brian Monteith and Phil Gallie, all admitted membership at various stages of their life.

The group, which describes itself as "one of the world's oldest secular fraternal societies", has been criticised in the past for alleged secrecy, religious bias and conspiratorial aims. However, the Freemasons deny the claims and say they are open to people of all races and many religions. Famous former members include national bard Robert Burns, novelist Sir Walter Scott, and former Celtic manager Jock Stein. Russell, who was elected last year as a Nationalist MSP for the South of Scotland, quit as a Freemason last May. His register of interest states: "On election I resigned from membership of Lodge 1120, Kyles of Bute, which I had been admitted to in December 2004."

The environment minister had been recommended to the lodge by a neighbour in Argyll, and was said to have enjoyed his time as a Mason. But Russell, whose grandfather had also been a member, resigned after concluding that being a minister and a Freemason could lead to criticism. He told the Sunday Herald: "I felt it was best to declare membership of the Freemasons, and in those circumstances I thought it would be best to resign from it. I did not believe it was appropriate to be a minister and a member of anything that people would be suspicious of." He also defended the organisation by saying it was misunderstood: "I will not criticise it. If it was good enough for Robert Burns, then it was good enough for me." Tory MSP Jamie McGrigor said: "I am a Freemason, although I'm not a good attender of meetings. It has never interfered with my MSP duties, but if Mike Russell feels it is necessary for him to resign, then it's a matter for him."

A spokesman for the first minister said: "Mike volunteered this information on his register of interests last year. I've no idea about other ministers as it isn't a declarable interest, but I do know that the first minister isn't a member." (Comment: Let Salmond deny membership of the Craft.) A spokesman for the Freemasons could not be contacted. 11:30pm Saturday 7th June 2008 (Brian)

jacob sladder
13-06-2008, 09:47 AM
......and your point is?

boots
13-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Good point.


To many Freemasons in Government.

jacob sladder
13-06-2008, 11:20 AM
Good point.


To many Freemasons in Government.


Who are they? I don't know any!! Know of some actors / entertainers that are though... :)

ban freekmasons
13-06-2008, 11:37 AM
Who are they? I don't know any!! Know of some actors / entertainers that are though... :)

Ello masonic twat jacobs slither, go back to your pretend brothers threads.

If you can read this, thank a non-masonic teacher. If you can read this in English - thank a non-masonic Soldier. Because all masons are members of a criminal organisation and only defend the dribble that is drummed into them.

And our point is.... Another conscientious person has seen the true light and walked away from a dark sinister network.... ditto

jacob sladder
13-06-2008, 11:46 AM
Dear 'Freek, I am stunned by your erudite reply.
I was indeed a 'Masonic' Soldier and later an Officer, until a couple of years ago.
And very nice it was too!!

chrism
13-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Dear 'Freek, I am stunned by your erudite reply.
I was indeed a 'Masonic' Soldier and later an Officer, until a couple of years ago.
And very nice it was too!!

And I know many teachers who are masons - one of whom is a very good english teacher...

'Freek does not have a point, JL, we should have learned this by now! Although if you read the story, it does show masonry in rather a good light, and of course direclty contradicts many of the points he has made in the past (masons for life, will support masonry above anything else etc) so once again it is showing 'Freek for the absolute arse that he is.

Chrism

ban freekmasons
13-06-2008, 01:25 PM
And I know many teachers who are masons - one of whom is a very good english teacher...

'Freek does not have a point, JL, we should have learned this by now! Although if you read the story, it does show masonry in rather a good light, and of course direclty contradicts many of the points he has made in the past (masons for life, will support masonry above anything else etc) so once again it is showing 'Freek for the absolute arse that he is.

Chrism

Ello masonic chrism, have you come here to help out your pretend brother ? ho ho ho ban freekmasons

chrism
13-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Ello masonic chrism, have you come here to help out your pretend brother ? ho ho ho ban freekmasons

Well I obviously did not come here for the gripping rhetoric, well thought out impassioned argument or mature debate, did I?

C

manchurian_candidate
13-06-2008, 02:03 PM
Well I obviously did not come here for the gripping rhetoric, well thought out impassioned argument or mature debate, did I?

C

LOL! :rolleyes:

cruise4
13-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Secret Societies in a free society are untenable. Freemasonry is going to be ripped apart at the seams and cast into the gutters where it belongs.

mike martin
13-06-2008, 02:24 PM
If you can read this, thank a non-masonic teacher. If you can read this in English - thank a non-masonic Soldier. Because all masons are members of a criminal organisation and only defend the dribble that is drummed into them.
So what you are saying is that Teachers who Masons don't teach??
You're saying that those of us Masons who have served Queen and Country don't count somehow. You go too far!

Have you served mister sniper Striling? If you haven't get back to your Tennants Extra.

And our point is....
Complete bollox as usual!

Another conscientious person has seen the true light and walked away from a dark sinister network.... ditto
Actually another conscientious person has been forced, due to the ravings of people like you, to give up his membership rather than allow people like you to defame his good name.

Mike

mike martin
13-06-2008, 02:30 PM
Secret Societies in a free society are untenable.

VERY VERY TRUE, hence the fact that Freemasonry has already lasted 300 years.

If it was actually a "secret society" it would have been destroyed in 1797 with the enactment of the Unlawful Oaths Act or in 1799 with the Unlawful Societies Act or in 1817 with the Seditious Meetings Act.

Mike

ban freekmasons
13-06-2008, 02:37 PM
300 years hiding behind the curtains

if it's all good, why hide ?

mike martin
13-06-2008, 02:52 PM
300 years hiding behind the curtains

if it's all good, why hide ?

Sorry who's hiding?

M

ban freekmasons
14-06-2008, 10:15 AM
Sorry who's hiding?

M

OK reveal who YOU really are, go on mike (or whatever alias) we can talk like normal people. Can't wait for your answer.

mike martin
14-06-2008, 09:33 PM
OK reveal who YOU really are, go on mike (or whatever alias) we can talk like normal people. Can't wait for your answer.

Once again we curtsy before dancing.

My name is Mike Martin.

I will not put my address on the Internet because I don't want every psycho with an imagined ill due to Feemasonry to turn up on my door and because I'm not an idiot.

so you're point is what??

Mike