UK : Has David Davis MP Woken Up?

[peterjohnglynn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScwavvxYXI


Conservative Shadow Home Secretary David Davis announced on Thursday he would quit to fight the consequent by-election in his constituency on a platform of protest against government terrorism plans.

The announcement, which appeared to take even his own party by surprise, means the election will become an effective referendum on the controversial 42-days detention issue.

Conservative leader David Cameron called Davis' decision courageous and brave but stopped short of backing it. The government said it proved the Tories are in disarray.

Davis was a leading critic of the plan to increase the possible pre-charge detention time for terrorist suspects to 42 from 28 days, on which the government narrowly won a Commons vote late on Wednesday.

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Davis, 59, said he was "taking a stand".

"I will argue in this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government," he told reporters outside parliament.

"Now that may mean I have made my last speech to the House ... and of course that would be a cause of deep regret to me.

"But at least my electorate and the nation as a whole, would have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day -- the ever intrusive power of the state on our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and a steady attrition undermining the rule of law."

He said if his electorate voted him back into parliament, "it will be with a single, simple message -- that the monstrosity of a law that we passed yesterday will not stand".

Cameron said the decision was a personal one that had not been taken after consultation with senior Tory officials.

"David Davis has made a very courageous (and) a very brave decision," he told reporters in Cornwall. "I wish him well in his by-election campaign.

Later in several media interviews, Davis denied speculation that his decision had caused a rift with Cameron, the man who beat him in the 2005 Conservative leadership election.

The Liberal Democrats, who also oppose the 42-day plan, said they would not fight the by-election in Davis' east Yorkshire constituency of Haltemprice and Howden which he held with a majority of 5,116 in 2005.

That decision means it will be a straight fight between Labour and the Conservatives and keep the controversial issue of pre-charge detention in the spotlight, to the discomfort of Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Commentators have said Brown, his popularity at record lows in opinion polls, had used up substantial "political capital" to win Wednesday night's vote.

Davis will be replaced on the Tory front bench by the current Shadow Attorney General Dominic Grieve.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the decision proved the opposition was in disarray.

"Faced with a crucial decision on the safety and protection of the British public, the Conservatives have collapsed into total disarray on what is their first big policy test since they have come under greater scrutiny," she said in a statement.

"David Cameron must come clean on what has really happened and why David Davis has really resigned."

[diamond dogs]

Very brave decision and lets see what happens in the by-election...let's see how the 'great British Public' react and which way they vote....Will bring the question of Tip Toe Totalitarianism to the fore..

[swordofjustice]

Must admit I view all this with a good degree of suspicion.

We know they're all different masks on the same face, so what is going on here? I just can't accept that David Davis could possibly be of the same mindset as, say, Michael Meacher.

Surely it's not a case that there's an attempt to pull attention away from the policies of the new UK LIBERTARIAN PARTY? Yes, they're for scrapping all detention without charge.

Mind you, as the LIB DEMS aren't contesting the Davis seat, I gather that LABOUR will not be either. So, one wonders, what is it that's trying to be proved here?

:confused:

[cruise4]

And can someone capable of good public speaking step up to the plate perhaps?
Canvassing for an independant might be interesting.

[curly]

i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,and then have evidence planted on them so the police don't have to pay the £3000 a day fine for everyday after that.Hope he wins it though this will be very interesting.:)

[celtic isis]

i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,and then have evidence planted on them so the police don't have to pay the £3000 a day fine for everyday after that.Hope he wins it though this will be very interesting.:)

great post curly :)

yep i don't know what to make of it either, hard to know if he is genuine or not or if this is a crafty tactic...mind you i was chuffed all the same to see it on the news, it's just so good to have someone anyone speak out about the erasing of britain's freedoms and that he will fight this...maybe it'll spark something in the people's minds.

jesus though the UK is a scary place to be! i had never even heard of this 42 days stuff!! :eek:

and then the whole voting thing going on in ireland too...it's crazy lately.

Omg skynews is one propaganda scaremongering channel eh! i could only keep it on for 20 mins max i could bare it no longer the amount of adverts showing images of "terror" and disater etc and the amount of times the word terror was used.

:eek::rolleyes:

i'd love to email them and tell them what a bunch of shits they are and stupid shits for not realising who it is they really work for. lol

[kweli]

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MSM like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.

[h2pogo]

hope fully a man has woken up to his conscience.
Any one as high ranking as him is going to get some press time whether neocons like it or not.
he wasn't allowed to make the statement of resignation in the commons.
may be a very positive day in British politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davis_%28British_politician%29

[h2pogo]

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MS like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.


they cant hush him that much he was the shadow home secretary.
probably wont hear much about him after the bye election though.

[john white]

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MSM like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.

They've rammed us with lots of articles calling him a looney? Hardly a ringing endorsement on the MSM slurge about this: a different story in the public's submitted comments though

[lightgiver]

Did anyone see that bloke giving it to Cameron on BBC live 24 hr news,at Cornwall somewhere,

but trouble is he should have been giving it to brown;)

the bloke was saying you are the big fish ie(politicians) and us (ie you and me) are the small fish,
any other things what we are all thinking;)

the camera soon moved away;)
it was hilarious:D

and they have not re run the footage either,i have noticed,
what a circus it all is,,bbc, you and sky news you all suck..................:eek::p



yep the media is run by the f masons and elites,it is rife and disgusting,

people need to start fighting back against all this shite,42 days and the rest of it,

it is out of control:eek::eek:

[darkhorse]

Perhaps he has'nt really woken up but just maybe he's feeling the will of the people, people who vote and are very dissatisfied.
If I was him I'd start listening to the public because I can really see this NWO horror story going belly up.
I mean most people may not believe in the NWO or even heard of it but they do almost instinctively know thats there's something gone very wrong.

[steevo]

If David Davis loses the bi-election on this issue then that would give out the message that the people are in favour of the 42 day thing so maybe they are testing the waters ? Is it a PSYOP type thing where it all back fires on David Davis and the anti 42 day "terror" laws. They are already saying that David Davis is bonkers.

ANYWAY, let's hope that David Davis HAS woken up but I suppose, at the same time, we have to remember that most of these top politicians are masters of deception....let's see what happens.

[h2pogo]

seems quite genueine to me what he said is solid truth that had to be said.
this man deserves support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrKppxcmAk8

he has also said a few truths about europe or so i read somewhere.

[steevo]

seems quite genueine to me what he said is solid truth that had to be said.
this man deserves support.



Yes he does deserve support on this, in fact he needs it. It's essential.

But (sorry to put a "but" in it :o), but the "powers that be" know that a revolution is coming and they will do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure that their puppets stay in power by using puppets who say what we want to hear, so in effect they cover all bases. NEVERTHELESS, what he is saying is the TRUTH and it's good that this truth is being discussed in the mainstream (hopefully) now. Awareness is the key.

[psych641]

Good speech, and i hope it does some good. That means ordinary people defending liberties through grass roots direct activism, not abdicating that responsibility to representatives of the political system.

this forced by-election business is an empty gesture, albeit a very, very shrewd one.

2005 results;

David Davis, Conservative 22,792 47.5
Jon Neal, Liberal Democrat 17,676 36.8
Edward Hart, Labour 6,104 12.7
Jonathan Mainprize, British National Party 798 1.7
Philip Lane, UK Independence Party 659 1.4

neither 'official' tory or lib dems will be standing candidates & If labour have 1/2 the political shrewdness of Davis then they wont either. Hes engineered a win-win situation & made himself look like a hero to boot!

[h2pogo]

Yes he does deserve support on this, in fact he needs it. It's essential.

But (sorry to put a "but" in it :o), but the "powers that be" know that a revolution is coming and they will do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure that their puppets stay in power by using puppets who say what we want to hear, so in effect they cover all bases. NEVERTHELESS, what he is saying is the TRUTH and it's good that this truth is being discussed in the mainstream (hopefully) now. Awareness is the key.

I see your piont.he may well be an illuminate puppet.
but if he really does mean what he says then support would encourage him and may be others to rebel against the nwo and eu.
how can we support a polotician in this country the thought has never crossed my mind before?

[drhemp]

I reckon the guy is off his rocker and will seriously regret what he has done. This guy doesn't care about our civil liberties, it's so obvious he is still bitter at Camerbafoon for becoming Tory Leader, when he wanted to do it.

I hope a decent independent stands against him and wins! Especially as NuLabour and the Libdums have already said they wont stand.

Back in 97 the Lib Dems won Winchester by 2 votes, and the Tories made a legal challenge to force a by-election and I think the lib dem guy (the one who later got caught with rent boys) subsequently won it by 22,000 votes 2nd time round, so the public have a proven dislike of forced by-elections.

[zarah]

I agree with the point that msm are implying his motives are either lunatic or self serving, it couldn't be ignored because of his position as shadow HS.

I really do hope his motives are to try to protect our civil liberties which this government are systematically eroding, than anything else.

When are we going to collectively take proactive action? How many of us are there who have woken up enough to understand what's going on?

[celtic isis]

They've rammed us with lots of articles calling him a looney? Hardly a ringing endorsement on the MSM slurge about this: a different story in the public's submitted comments though

hey john, what have the people been saying?

[swordofjustice]

Interesting posts on this. BBC Breakfast News provided evidence to the possible reasoning for all this by having those "Vox Pops" with people on the streets of some nameless town. I guess it's easy for us to forget that there's two thirds of the population who actually think people should not only be detained for 42 days, but in fact indefinitely until they "confess". "Bang 'em up, we need to be safe - help the police do their job".

Fans of THE PRISONER will no doubt have visions of the final episode "Fall Out" where Kenneth Griffith's "Judge" character demands of Alexis Kanner's "Number 48" voice-of-youth that he should "confess" too.

Now, that can mean only one thing: David Davis LOSES the by-election to some Kelvin MacKenzie type "hard-liner" who wants AT LEAST 42 days detention for "Terrorists" (soon to mean people who park on double-yellow lines, or demand to know why their petrol costs so much).

The public at large have it re-enforced that long detentions without charge are the view of the majority, and consequently correct.

Resistance crushed. Game over. Except amongst knowing individuals like ourselves ...

[celtic isis]

Interesting posts on this. BBC Breakfast News provided evidence to the possible reasoning for all this by having those "Vox Pops" with people on the streets of some nameless town. I guess it's easy for us to forget that there's two thirds of the population who actually think people should not only be detained for 42 days, but in fact indefinitely until they "confess". "Bang 'em up, we need to be safe - help the police do their job".

Fans of THE PRISONER will no doubt have visions of the final episode "Fall Out" where Kenneth Griffith's "Judge" character demands of Alexis Kanner's "Number 48" voice-of-youth that he should "confess" too.

Now, that can mean only one thing: David Davis LOSES the by-election to some Kelvin MacKenzie type "hard-liner" who wants AT LEAST 42 days detention for "Terrorists" (soon to mean people who park on double-yellow lines, or demand to know why their petrol costs so much).

The public at large have it re-enforced that long detentions without charge are the view of the majority, and consequently correct.

Resistance crushed. Game over. Except amongst knowing individuals like ourselves ...

great post swordofjustice and welcome :)

yep you said it all there, the news certainly does its job of brainwashing that's for sure.

Pity they don't look at the fine print and see that the word terrorist is anything or anyone the police or whoever decide it to be!

Sad that people swallow all the crap of the official line no matter how far fetched or just plain made up it is and think people who point out and speak the truth are all nuts.

They will pay greatly for it. :(

[john white]

hey john, what have the people been saying?

"Well done David Davis Woot"

[magicmerlin]

i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,

Excellent post. All that needs to happen once this passed, is for there to be a small change to re-define what constitutes 'terrorism' - arguing politely and intelligently with a policeman, peacefully protesting against the government, etc, etc. The true implications are frightening. People often wonder how Hitler came to power and how Germany became a dictatorship - but anyone with half a brain knows that democracy can always be manipulated when in the wrong hands.

[celtic isis]

"Well done David Davis Woot"

YAAAAY!! :D i just heard it on skynews they had to admit they've had loads of positive comments for davis :p

[celtic isis]

Excellent post. All that needs to happen once this passed, is for there to be a small change to re-define what constitutes 'terrorism' - arguing politely and intelligently with a policeman, peacefully protesting against the government, etc, etc. The true implications are frightening. People often wonder how Hitler came to power and how Germany became a dictatorship - but anyone with half a brain knows that democracy can always be manipulated when in the wrong hands.

as with the lisbon treaty, the death penalty is against the constitution and disgarded by the EU, yet you read further down and it says it is applicable in certain circumstances...either it is or it isn't, certain circumstances means whatever the elite deem to be a threat.

[them]

Psyop

Action Man's self-introduction was scripted in Hollywood: "Failure is not an option. We're going to get this guy back." The scene was a Cabinet Office room in Whitehall on Saturday August 26 1995. The intelligence officers, civil servants and military personnel gathered at the meeting of Cobra, the secret committee summoned for major emergencies, were impressed by the junior Foreign Office minister. Few realised that he had hijacked a famous line from Apollo 13, the movie about a stricken spaceship. But over the following hour, the experts confirmed their judgment about that weekend's duty minister, one David Davis.

The 14 men had been summoned following the kidnap of Sergeant Tim Cowley, an assistant to the defence attache at the British embassy in Bogotá. Colombian criminals had seized Cowley, 32, while he was birdwatching in the countryside :D A ransom demand was expected, which the British government would reject. Cowley could only hope that a British SAS group would pinpoint his captors' hideout in the Andes and rescue him before he was murdered. "One solid mistake over the following weeks," Davis was told, "will guarantee Cowley's death." But Davis, after a year's training as a Territorial in the SAS and a pre-Westminster career as an industrial troubleshooter, was unusually qualified as a politician to ask the right questions and give cool leadership.

Four months later, in the midst of a gunfight, Cowley was rescued. At a discreet party in the Foreign Office to welcome Cowley back, Davis presented him with a gift wrapped in Christmas paper: a toy Action Man. Participants of the Cobra meetings at that celebration described Davis as an "extremely good manager" and a "hard-working man, able to master a complex brief", whose "relaxed manner could be misinterpreted by some as a lack of sérieux ".

He has been up to his neck in the establishments spooky waters for years. Woken up my arse :)

btw; birdwatching is code for spying.

[elysiumfire]

Hi There,

The point is...this high-ranking official has brought out onto the public forum what we here discuss all the time. Even if it is only for a day or two, he has ripped off the fear-placed spectacles to allow the people to see the subterfuge going on. I believe this guy to be genuine, and is definitely deserving of our support.

In the end, it is (and always will be) up to the reaction of the people. We need to get the information out there, and let it seep into their consciousness to a slow awakening. Instant awakening is very debilitating.

[and justice for all]

Why does it matter so much what his "true" intentions are? He's a tory politician, is he to be trusted.... I think not. Screw him.

The media in recent days, when they were touching this subject of the 42 days detention without charge, they were all addressing it only from the perspective of labour possibly facing defeat, and if Brown is a worthy party leader (etc) to hell with the main point of jailing people without charge, evidence, or a defending lawyer. Who the hell cares about that? That main thing is to see if labour is still strong.
They took the exact same approach when parliament had to vote for the war in iraq. Did they talk about if attacking a sovereign country was right or wrong? Of course not! The media went on and on about how strong blair's position of authority was since he was facing a rebellion within his own party. Did it matter to them that hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians faced death and destruction on their home soil? NO! The important issue was to see how good a leader blair was.

People should cash in on this rare opportunity, see past the circus and use this situation to address the real issue of locking up people without charge. And start to ask questions, and more crucially demand answers and talking about all the ramifications this issue has including; if we are to expect political dissenters to start “disappearing”, where are the check and balances (etc).

[kweli]

Psyop



He has been up to his neck in the establishments spooky waters for years. Woken up my arse :)

btw; birdwatching is code for spying.

Thank you. Another post you made recently makes more sense to me now. :)

[drhemp]

Why does it matter so much what his "true" intentions are? He's a tory politician, is he to be trusted.... I think not. Screw him.

Here here! He is also known to be a right-wing populist. Tory and New Labour are both the same, together they have ruined this country over the last 30 years.

[manchurian_candidate]

If Davis is genuine in his comments he is very brave to be voicing that sort of opinion, however the skeptic in me cant help but think this might be staged...

Deep down I think he is being genuine though - so on that note

GO DAVID!!! :)

[guuna]

Read some the article about him by Maguire in today's MIRROR.

Maguire is one of those journalists that they always roll out for comment at times like this. He talks like he's Brown's lawyer or something, i detect another illuminati muppett.:mad:

[celtic isis]

If Davis is genuine in his comments he is very brave to be voicing that sort of opinion, however the skeptic in me cant help but think this might be staged...

Deep down I think he is being genuine though - so on that note

GO DAVID!!! :)

i think he is genuine, either way it can't be a bad thing anyone speaking out let alone someone high profile who knows what he's talking about doing it.

just seen him talking live on skynews, liked what he had to say...

also yesterday in his resignation speech he said he is just a pawn in this game of chess...he's kool.

[manchurian_candidate]

i think he is genuine, either way it can't be a bad thing anyone speaking out let alone someone high profile who knows what he's talking about doing it.

just seen him talking live on skynews, liked what he had to say...

also yesterday in his resignation speech he said he is just a pawn in this game of chess...he's kool.

Did he??!?!? WELL DONE THAT MAN!!! :D

[kweli]

Why does it matter so much what his "true" intentions are? He's a tory politician, is he to be trusted.... I think not. Screw him.

Here here! He is also known to be a right-wing populist. Tory and New Labour are both the same, together they have ruined this country over the last 30 years.

Fraid i'm more inclined to view it from these angles.

I wish I could believe he was genuine, but I can't. I can't help but feel it's all being played out exactly as planned. I hope I'm wrong.

The timing of it all is very interesting too; it's certainly taken the focus off the Irish referendum, overshadowing it in every news report.

[drhemp]

I wish I could believe he was genuine, but I can't. I can't help but feel it's all being played out exactly as planned.

Ditto! Neither can I. Not in a million years.

[cruise4]

But an elected truther candidate would screw it up whatever they had planned and they can't stop legal canvassing. It's an opportunity if the right person is around and awake.

[celtic isis]

Did he??!?!? WELL DONE THAT MAN!!! :D

yeah! he said kool things seriously! the clip is on here somewhere...i think...

i know guys, but we can have hope, at least it'll get people to think, hey he's right we are losing our freedoms!

[and justice for all]

The timing of it all is very interesting too; it's certainly taken the focus off the Irish referendum, overshadowing it in every news report.

Sign me up for that one too!

[peterjohnglynn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XGvJct3V3o

[and justice for all]

yeah! he said kool things seriously! the clip is on here somewhere...i think...

David Davis shock resignation
youtube.com/watch?v=0VPNpJJuCQk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPNpJJuCQk&NR=1

[celtic isis]

David Davis shock resignation
youtube.com/watch?v=0VPNpJJuCQk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPNpJJuCQk&NR=1

cheers guys!

just been watching lord hesseltine on skynews slating david davis...looks like the government are mocking him already.

?

[bicycle]

WESTMINSTER was left reeling last night after a senior politician did something that did not involve being a total dick.

Amid unprecedented scenes the MP said it was time to stop being a dick and devote his time to other things, starting with his job.

He told reporters: "Some people will say to me, 'what are you trying to achieve by not being an arrogant, grasping, hypocritical, self-serving, creepy, dishonest, sleazy dick-faced motherfucker?

"I say to them - it is very simple. It is time for one of us to take a stand. It is time for one of us to stop just being a total dick, all of the time."

He added: "I have spoken with the leader of my party. He thinks not being a dick is a risk, but I reminded him the British people are paying us all more than sixty grand a year to not be a bunch of dicks."

Labour politicians ridiculed his stance claiming that by not being a dick he was actually being even more of a dick.

But Senior Tories applauded the MP's anti-dick principles while stressing they would continue to act like dick-faced motherfuckers.

The dramatic development also left the Westminster press pack divided and confused, with many of them criticising the politician for interrupting their lunch.

Meanwhile scores of backbenchers have asked the Speaker of the Commons how they go about claiming expenses for watching David Davis's resignation speech.

[celtic isis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XGvJct3V3o

kool! :cool: hehe google as a verb ;)

[ak87]

Why 42 days?

[phaid]

I liked what Tony Benn said when he stepped down from being an MP.
He said that it was because he wanted 'to devote more time to politics'.
Maybe Davis will follow his example....

[shida]

Oppose 42 detention without trial.

Sign the petition.

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/david-davis.html

[w1nstonsm1th84]

David Davis is just playing his part, in this GREAT Shakespearian farce that is called 'life'.

[h2pogo]

Hi There,

The point is...this high-ranking official has brought out onto the public forum what we here discuss all the time. Even if it is only for a day or two, he has ripped off the fear-placed spectacles to allow the people to see the subterfuge going on. I believe this guy to be genuine, and is definitely deserving of our support.

In the end, it is (and always will be) up to the reaction of the people. We need to get the information out there, and let it seep into their consciousness to a slow awakening. Instant awakening is very debilitating.

well said my sentiments exactly.

[h2pogo]

Here here! He is also known to be a right-wing populist. Tory and New Labour are both the same, together they have ruined this country over the last 30 years.

yes i agree how can any one support a Tory ever.
but just listen to what he said how can any one knock the content surly he needs support for what he said.
every one has sinned in their past i know i have.
if he is waking up then we must forgive him and encourage him let him know that he is respected for sticking up for us.

[h2pogo]

Fraid i'm more inclined to view it from these angles.

I wish I could believe he was genuine, but I can't. I can't help but feel it's all being played out exactly as planned. I hope I'm wrong.

The timing of it all is very interesting too; it's certainly taken the focus off the Irish referendum, overshadowing it in every news report.

his words were true and needed to be said.It looks like it may be him v msm in the bye election.if so it would suggest he is sound.
The timing could not really be helped.the referendum wasn't over shadowed when i watched telly tonight.

[h2pogo]

looks like he needs all the support he can get.msm could rip him to bits like they are our constitution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2008/06/how_will_murdoch_fund_mackenzie_campaign.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie

Kalvin MacKenzie guilty of every crime known to journalism.

[kweli]

his words were true and needed to be said.It looks like it may be him v msm in the bye election.if so it would suggest he is sound.
The timing could not really be helped.the referendum wasn't over shadowed when i watched telly tonight.

Still can't buy it, sorry. I just don't have the same faith as you, it's not something I can force either.

[h2pogo]

Still can't buy it, sorry. I just don't have the same faith as you, it's not something I can force either.

i would never admit having any faith in a Tory or any politico.just hope or may be positive thinking.
if he has genuinely woke up put his career reputation etc on the line to make a point that we all talk about and watch news corp rip him apart along with the last of our freedom how can i excuse myself by doing or saying nothing.
if he fails and he dies a sad lonely back bencher serves him right for being a Tory wanka and it will serve us right for not supporting him while living in a police state.
my experience shows people in the UK are waking up.especially the ones that
can make a difference.

[frosty]

I heard Geoge Galloway say tonight on talksport radio that he had reported Kelvin McKensie to the electoral commission after he said that "Rupert Murdoch and The Sun's editor" were backing him on his election campaign.I think rules state that a (Murdoch=American) foreign citizen is banned from bankrolling election campaigns.

[h2pogo]

davis and galloway could do well together their the only two uk poloticos i have ever heard say a true word.

[masonfree party]

what town is the bi election? i want to see 911 campaigners blitzing this bi election especially with rupert murdoch whore kelvin mckenzie standing

[mr_self_destruct]

Some people seem to be looking to him as a potential figurehead which is just not a good thing. He supports the death penalty for fuck's sake...

[kweli]

Some people seem to be looking to him as a potential figurehead which is just not a good thing. He supports the death penalty for fuck's sake...

I hear you.

[mr_self_destruct]

I hear you.

The Irish have just admirably said no to the Lisbon Treaty which as Jim Corr pointed out had a clause in it which would enable the reintroduction of the death penalty "in times of war" (and we all know who starts the wars).

Yes, David Davis' remarks about civil liberties were admirable but we should not look to a right-winger to represent us...he does not represent me!

[angeldust]

When David Davis got off the train he was welcomed by lots of support by the people in his constituency He said the right things but it's wether he really believe what he was saying himself....
its funny because every thing he said is what i'm thinking and, what i hope, is that every one is thinking the same thing although i can't help but think that there is something else going on behind the scenes.

it's just a shame that we don't have someone to make a stand for the british public that doesn't have there own hidden agenda!

i heard this and thought it was fitting.....

" It's a shame that TRAITORS GATE isn't still in operation, it'd sure be busy right now!!!!"

[drhemp]

Why did Bob Spink, the only UKIP MP in the House of Commons vote with the Government on 42 days?

[cruise4]

That is a good question.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

All hail the new messiah! Save us BB... err sorry DD!

[h2pogo]

[QUOTE=drhemp;386821]Why did Bob Spink, the only UKIP MP in the House of Commons vote with the Government on 42 days?[/QUOTE

are you sure that is true.

[drhemp]

[QUOTE=drhemp;386821]Why did Bob Spink, the only UKIP MP in the House of Commons vote with the Government on 42 days?[/QUOTE

are you sure that is true.

Absoutely 100% true! Former Tory MP Bob Spink who defected to UKIP voted with the Government for 42 days. Tory hag Anne Widdicombe was the only Conservative MP to vote with Labour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/government+edges+42+day+terror+vote/2281067
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1318777,00.html
http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=666&Itemid=57

I was thinking of voting for them next time round, that has put me off.

[cruise4]

I'm totally convinced UKip are not our answer. None of these incumbants are.

[kweli]

I'm totally convinced UKip are not our answer. None of these incumbants are.

I share the same conviction. Sorry for the crudeness, but they're all pissing in the same pot!

[drhemp]

What to do?

[steevo]

What to do?

Well I suppose we have say to David Davis, "yes it's good that you object to the loss of our freedoms etc but what about "this" and what about "that" ?" Praise him for his courage to speak out but do the exact opposite for the other subjects that he is conveniently side-stepping, and do it with this in mind, that it will help to wake the population up. Waking the sheeple is the answer and no matter what David Davis does, he isnt gonna be the solution BUT the fact that he is doing what he is doing is hopefully gonna help to get people THINKING. But we need to remember that he isnt the answer to the problems in the world. He is actually part of the problem IMO. But let's see what he does next.

[h2pogo]

[QUOTE=h2pogo;387093]

Absoutely 100% true! Former Tory MP Bob Spink who defected to UKIP voted with the Government for 42 days. Tory hag Anne Widdicombe was the only Conservative MP to vote with Labour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/government+edges+42+day+terror+vote/2281067
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1318777,00.html
http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=666&Itemid=57

I was thinking of voting for them next time round, that has put me off.

thaks for the info.
had my doubts
always thought they were a smoke screen for galloways respect.
has put me of also

[private_eye]

UKIP would likely have supported 90 days too - it's a very right wing party, with members also supporting caning in schools, and so on.

I think we should all be proud of David Davis' actions and support him. Be careful of "oh i just can't trust him" instincts because that might suggest that you have a paranoid tar brush that doesn't assess evidence you are presented with.

I'm glad David Davis has stepped outside the Westminster box and stood up to this bill. He was known to support the death penalty, between 2002-5.

When I was a child, admittedly not long ago, I supported the death penalty for paedophiles. Probably because the media had me so fucking scared of them. I regret it, but I realised why people support it, and this bill on 42 days - because of fear. So I think for David Davis to make such a change in the last few years is good and I hope he gets due respect from those Labour backbenchers who haven't yet had their spine removed by the Whips, and in fact all the rational politicians, without it being sucked into party politics, which it ain't.

[kweli]

UKIP would likely have supported 90 days too - it's a very right wing party, with members also supporting caning in schools, and so on.

I think we should all be proud of David Davis' actions and support him. Be careful of "oh i just can't trust him" instincts because that might suggest that you have a paranoid tar brush that doesn't assess evidence you are presented with.

I'm glad David Davis has stepped outside the Westminster box and stood up to this bill. He was known to support the death penalty, between 2002-5.

When I was a child, admittedly not long ago, I supported the death penalty for paedophiles. Probably because the media had me so fucking scared of them. I regret it, but I realised why people support it, and this bill on 42 days - because of fear. So I think for David Davis to make such a change in the last few years is good and I hope he gets due respect from those Labour backbenchers who haven't yet had their spine removed by the Whips, and in fact all the rational politicians, without it being sucked into party politics, which it ain't.

Call me paranoid, but I'm quite capable of assessing the 'evidence' that I'm presented with and forming my own conclusions. I think you're wrong to encourage people to have pride in him. I think it's another wrong path that we're being led down; keep us busy/distracted.

[and justice for all]

Well I suppose we have say to David Davis, "yes it's good that you object to the loss of our freedoms etc but what about "this" and what about "that" ?" Praise him for his courage to speak out but do the exact opposite for the other subjects that he is conveniently side-stepping, and do it with this in mind, that it will help to wake the population up. Waking the sheeple is the answer and no matter what David Davis does, he isnt gonna be the solution BUT the fact that he is doing what he is doing is hopefully gonna help to get people THINKING. But we need to remember that he isnt the answer to the problems in the world. He is actually part of the problem IMO. But let's see what he does next.

Can't agree more.

This brings a great opportunity for people to discuss the issue, to bring it out in the open instead of being a sort of "slam dunk", rubber stamp and it's law like it or not, 10 minutes in the propaganda media and then forgotten. How in hell they got it up to - what is it? 28 day detention without charge? And that’s not even an issue???? It drives me nutz!!!!!!!! :mad:
(Don’t get me started)

[h2pogo]

Call me paranoid, but I'm quite capable of assessing the 'evidence' that I'm presented with and forming my own conclusions. I think you're wrong to encourage people to have pride in him. I think it's another wrong path that we're being led down; keep us busy/distracted.

other than the past do you have any evidence to support any claim that he has secret agendas.if so please share.
the death penalty thing is just an opinion.

[matthew84]

Instinctively, I tend to think he is genuine, but I could well be wrong.

I want to know what his views are on Europe. The fact that the Irish Republic voted NO in the same week is interesting; especially now that Barossa, Brown, Sarkozy and Merkel are saying they are going to push ahead with the ratification.

The post-democracy is not completely blatant. Could Davis lose to pro-flog em and hang em Kelvin Mckenzie there by giving tacit support to the shoving thru of the treaty in the fact of the Irish opposition?

Did they know the NO vote in Ireland would strengthen the UK urge for a referendum and is this Hull by-election being brought about to deflect attention from that?

But won't it just highlight the current lack of democracy?

The fact he's being called 'mad' makes me think TPTB don't agree with his move.

[swordofjustice]

What to do?

Indeed, this was my thought entirely, until about a couple of weeks ago, when a friend of mine nudged me to check out the website of the newly formed (beginning of 2008) UK LIBERTARIAN PARTY.

Their website is at http://www.lpuk.org/

Those familiar with the politics of Ron Paul in the USA will find a lot of the policies familiar.

And you'll definitely like their policy on detention:

From their law and order manifesto page:

Implement a maximum period for detention without charge of 48 hours; arrests should be evidenced based, not fishing expeditions.

And the rest of their policies sound pretty neat too... perhaps there is another way to crack the establishment?

:cool:

[drhemp]

Davis is very anti cannabis, which is never gonna win him any brownie points with the likes of me.

[kweli]

other than the past do you have any evidence to support any claim that he has secret agendas.if so please share.
the death penalty thing is just an opinion.

I don't have any hard evidence no, do you have any evidence to support him being genuine?


The very fact that he's a top Tory MP and the things he's already supported/turned a blind eye to, give me a deep rooted mistrust. This guy has previously stood by and watched some of the worst atrocities being committed by the people in power around him.. (need i go into detail here?) Yet only now he decides to speak out? Why should we trust him?

Like I said in an earlier thread - I'd love to be proved wrong on this, but I can't for the life of me, muster up any faith/optimism/positivity for this story ; it's just not happening.

As for his views on the death penalty, maybe it is just his opinion, but it still speaks volumes about the man.

[matthew84]

I don't trust the Labour party any more than the Tories - even though I used to be a member of the labour party lol!

David Davis had a hard struggle to get where he is and isn't one of the Eton/Oxbridge glitteratti in the shadow cabinet. I don't think he has even been to the Bilderberg group, while the Etonians certainly have.

The death penalty stance I personally disagree with but on that particular question the greater evil seems to be in the Lisbon Treaty (which the Labour party love and most of the current cameroons seem to be a covert part of) which suggests the death penalty for civil disobediance will become EU law. If David Davis is anti-EU, then he might be for real IMHO.

Still not sure though.

[h2pogo]

Davis is very anti cannabis, which is never gonna win him any brownie points with the likes of me.

how anti he is he?
is he anti and wants to abuse people who smoke it their right to freedom.
or
anti but thinks people should have their right choose for them selves.
If the first then i hope he is waking up from his ignorace.

[drhemp]

how anti he is he?
is he anti and wants to abuse people who smoke it their right to freedom.
or
anti but thinks people should have their right choose for them selves.
If the first then i hope he is waking up from his ignorace.

He has been the Tories Home Affairs spokesman for sometime and he said long ago he wanted to put it back to a Class B drug, and when that stupid bitch Smith recently said she was going to ignore her own experts and put cannabis back to a Class B drug, Davis welcomed the decision, but condemned Labour for not doing it soon enough and for putting it in a Class C in the first place, so for that reason alone I think he's a cunt!

[h2pogo]

OK so he is a cunt i agree.
thanks again for the info.
i do hope he is waking up from his cuntisness though.all politicians are cunts any way.
but he is still my favorite cunt and probably the most popular cunt there has been for quite some time.

[drhemp]

Norman Baker, Lib Dem MP for Lewes is great, but he is also very pro-European, not that there's anything wrong with being pro-European, but not pro-EU in its current form.

I went to a talk given my Michael Meacher MP at Dartington Hall about a month ago, and apart from going on a bit about climate change and peak oil, was really on the ball and seemed very genuine. Afterwards, when he thought there wasn't a camera pointed at him, he privately agreed in front of quite a large group of us, that 9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs, but he seemed too scared to say so publically. I asked him why he canceled a screening that he had organised of the 9/11 conspiracy film Loose Change 2 in Parliament, and he said he had been lent on not to show it and was told under no circumstances would it be allowed to be shown. He said that BLiar's people had been very clever in taking over the Labour Party by putting in a BLiarites to replace any Labour MP that ever died or retired. He said that he'd been portrayed as a looney and he often felt he was fighting a lone battle, though he did say a lot of Labour MPs were very unhappy with what this Government has done (though evidentally not enough by the pathetic number of 35 that rebelled last Wed). He said he couldn't go public with some of this stuff and had to be very careful what he said in public, as he felt it could undermine his work in other areas, and he went white when he realised that someone with a camcorder recorded him saying that someone must have had prior knowledge of the London Bombings coz Peter Power admitted on TV that there were training exercises in the exact same stations that got bombed - the guy who was filming agreed to tape over it. Meacher is 70, though I must say he didn't look it and appeared to be in very good health, though there was something sad about him in his eyes. At 70 you might have thought he's say ah fuck it, I'm just gonna say it anyway?

I must say I always find myself agreeing with Tony Benn, and I did like Mo Mowlam who sadly is no longer with us. I quite liked Charlie Kennedy too, but they got rid of him. Paul Flynn (Labour) is another good MP. I suppose there are a few good apples in a very bad bunch. I am very wary of any Tory MP, as I have a memory, and I think it says more about how bad Labour are than it does about the Tories when the Tories are seeming more preferable than a Labour Government.

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/2web.jpg

[cruise4]

Interesting stuff dr. hemp. I had wondered what had happened to Meacher.

[h2pogo]

it is shame meacher didnt get enough support when he stood for labour leadership.
interesting info again.
dont get to hear much about him.nor other OK mps like Norman baker.exept web sites like this.
but this other cunt was the shadow home secretary he has created a plat form for debate on serious issues and it is an excellent opportunity to wake people up and let other mps realize the people are behind them when they do stand up for them and their law and they do give a fuck.
poor old meacher thinking he was fighting a lone battle.
what does meacher thik about cannabis?

[drhemp]

Meacher never stood for the Labour leadership, but the BBC did announce he was a possible candidate a few days after he withdrew his proposed screening of Loose Change 2 in Parliament.

Didn't the media decide that at 66 Ming Campbell was too old to be leader of a political party in the UK? Meacher is 70, so I guess that wouldn't be allowed, as the media on our behalf think that's too old.

[h2pogo]

what is meachers view on cannabis?
Like to point out David icke is anti cannabis as well.
but still not the issue of this thread.
David Davis is not only defending our freedoms he is also taking on news corp and the rest of msm.
surley he needs support from the likes of us.

BTW happy birthday to you Magna carta.
its apparently not just me that appreciates is importance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5028496.stm

[drhemp]

what is meachers view on cannabis?
Like to point out David icke is anti cannabis as well.
but still not the issue of this thread.
David Davis is not only defending our freedoms he is also taking on news corp and the rest of msm.
surley he needs support from the likes of us.

BTW happy birthday to you Magna carta.
its apparently not just me that appreciates is importance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5028496.stm

I have no idea what Meacher's views on cannabis are. I am dubious of David Davis' motives for his recent actions, but yes if he wants to get on a platform and start denouncing false flag terrorism and the like, then good on him. Also remember this is the guy who everyone said was gonna be the new Tory leader, yet in the space of a few weeks the job went to Cameron instead, and it's widely documented that they don't get on.

I didn't know that David Icke was anti cannabis? Why on Earth would David Icke want to lock people up in prison for using a plant that grows naturally on this planet?

Are you sure he's not just personally someone who doesn't advocate using cannabis? There's a difference between a prohibitionist and a non-advocate. After reading Icke's writings and hearing him talk in Totnes the other day, I cannot imagine that he really thinks locking up people who use cannabis is a good idea, and if he does, then I've seriously misjudged the man. I'm sure Icke of all people knows that the New World Order control the criminal drug trade, the CIA run the cocaine industry and the end of prohibition is the last thing the New World Order want, as they are making so much money from illegal drugs - how do you think they funded 911?

If someone genuinely thinks people shouldn't use cannabis, then by logic they should support legalisation, as in Holland where cannabis use is tolerated (albeit not technically legal), cannabis usage is lower than in other surrounding countries (inc UK) where cannabis usage is illegal.

[private_eye]

I agree about Meacher and Norman Baker - I met and interviewed Norman Baker for an article about his book The Strange Death of Dr Kelly (can post it here if anyone's interested). Very good book. I also have this new found respect for David Davis - but thinking about it, all the Lib Dems are against 42 days, as a principle. The difference with Davis is just that he decided to do something more about it. But as someone said earlier, Lib Dems are vehemently pro-EU and that's something I'm not entirely comfortable with.

As we are all aware, more and more people are beginning to 'waking up' and so I think Davis' move may be a little reflection of that beginning.

P.S. maybe its just all the crap it gets cut with... but I used to smoke a fair bit of bud and i'm now what you termed a "non-advocate". Perhaps a prohibitionist but you wouldn't wanna lock a poor soul up for it. But I've been in cars after a load of skunk and it's bloody dangerous. Not to mention short term memory loss, irritability, moods, lethargy... I got bad paranoia once that was the worst.

pps. h2pogo's cunt theory made me laugh :)

[drhemp]

P.S. maybe its just all the crap it gets cut with... but I used to smoke a fair bit of bud and i'm now what you termed a "non-advocate". Perhaps a prohibitionist but you wouldn't wanna lock a poor soul up for it. But I've been in cars after a load of skunk and it's bloody dangerous. Not to mention short term memory loss, irritability, moods, lethargy... I got bad paranoia once that was the worst.



I don't suppose you should drive if you are very stoned, though I think drink driving is worse. If you get those symptoms from smoking pot, then fine, don't smoke pot, but what you have to realise is there are millions of people in Britain who smoke pot without those side-effects. Please don't criminalise those of us who enjoy a toke, which is my main problem with David Davis, and don't believe the media lies about new skunk cannabis that is somehow much more dangerous than the skunk that people were smoking years ago.

[cruise4]

"there are millions of people in Britain who smoke pot without those side-effects"

Seconded. One size fits all laws are ridiculous as a concept.

[h2pogo]

I have no idea what Meacher's views on cannabis are. I am dubious of David Davis' motives for his recent actions, but yes if he wants to get on a platform and start denouncing false flag terrorism and the like, then good on him. Also remember this is the guy who everyone said was gonna be the new Tory leader, yet in the space of a few weeks the job went to Cameron instead, and it's widely documented that they don't get on.

I didn't know that David Icke was anti cannabis? Why on Earth would David Icke want to lock people up in prison for using a plant that grows naturally on this planet?

Are you sure he's not just personally someone who doesn't advocate using cannabis? There's a difference between a prohibitionist and a non-advocate. After reading Icke's writings and hearing him talk in Totnes the other day, I cannot imagine that he really thinks locking up people who use cannabis is a good idea, and if he does, then I've seriously misjudged the man. I'm sure Icke of all people knows that the New World Order control the criminal drug trade, the CIA run the cocaine industry and the end of prohibition is the last thing the New World Order want, as they are making so much money from illegal drugs - how do you think they funded 911?

If someone genuinely thinks people shouldn't use cannabis, then by logic they should support legalisation, as in Holland where cannabis use is tolerated (albeit not technically legal), cannabis usage is lower than in other surrounding countries (inc UK) where cannabis usage is illegal.


this video is a good reason why we should all support David Davis even if he is/was a Tory cunt.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&hl=en&sitesearch=#

and don't forget he is also creating an opportunity to expose corporate media especially news corp.
this video may help on that front.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=outfoxed&hl=en&sitesearch=

David icke i am sure would not want to stop people toking or oppress tokers in any way.but he was the first person that pointed out to me a negative side to toking which i agree with.
which is.
it inhibits the true power of ones conciseness.it fuzzes the energy of life.
dint get me wrong i love spliff but everything has a positive and negative side and David showed me the negative which was very positive for me.
but come on even if you don't support David Davis at least support the issue he has courageously raised.

[ryethorpe]

this video is a good reason why we should all support David Davis even if he is/was a Tory cunt.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&hl=en&sitesearch=#

and don't forget he is also creating an opportunity to expose corporate media especially news corp.
this video may help on that front.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=taking+liberties&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=outfoxed&hl=en&sitesearch=

David icke i am sure would not want to stop people toking or oppress tokers in any way.but he was the first person that pointed out to me a negative side to toking which i agree with.
which is.
it inhibits the true power of ones conciseness.it fuzzes the energy of life.
dint get me wrong i love spliff but everything has a positive and negative side and David showed me the negative which was very positive for me.
but come on even if you don't support David Davis at least support the issue he has courageously raised.

Valuable links.

Slogans for Davis are difficult


GO,
DAVIS

Or he could just issue his team with tasteful CCTV STAR t-shirts, maybe black on yellow (or pink on purple) or possibly

[cruise4]

Any mileage in 'Double D' Davis?

[talkingchimp]

they cant hush him that much he was the shadow home secretary.
probably wont hear much about him after the bye election though.

they hushed up kelly and cook by killing them

[celtic isis]

Well i think i maybe am gonna have to eat my hat here and admit that davis is probably just a false hero put out there to give us false hope...i was re- reading in Icke's latest book last night all about the EU plan and this is what he says on this subject:


"You can always tell an Illuminati front by its desire to centralise everything and that includes the centralisation of thought, as diversity is scorned, ridiculed and dismised in favour of a manufactured 'consensus'. You wil also see the Orwellian Newspeak technique in which the organisation claims to stand for what it is seeking to destroy - Common Purpose says its aim is to develop 'diverse' leaders.


In other words they give us 'heroes' and 'villains'...

still the fact that davis has stood down like this will get the people thinking about their freedoms being taken away heading further and further down the EU superstate route, as will Ireland voting no to the EU...so all in all i think it's still a good thing really, whatever davis's motives.

[psych641]

...still the fact that davis has stood down like this ...

Its not really standing down IMO, as hes jumping straight back in again, and theres virtually no risk.

[h2pogo]

Its not really standing down IMO, as hes jumping straight back in again, and theres virtually no risk.


if he is genuine he has a lot to lose including possibly his life.
no one has to support the man him self but the issues he has raised.

[them]

Thank you. Another post you made recently makes more sense to me now. :)

:)

A small example that wont get anybody into trouble.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51y1Yf-ANQL._SL160_SS160_.gif

Sidney Dillon Ripley (20 September 1913 - 12 March 2001 ) was a noted American ornithologist and leader in wildlife conservation. He served as Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution from 1964 to 1984.

Cryptozoologists (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Cryptozoologist&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

http://www.icimod.org/photocontest/cache/premhangbanem/20080504_132425.jpg_595.jpg


Take, for example, a person like S. Dillon Ripley (http://www.lrws.org/), a noted ornithologist, spy, and postwar Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution. Ripley had been the chief of the Office of Strategic Services (the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA) counterintelligence branch for Southeast Asia.

Before his death in 2001, Ripley had engaged in espionage throughout the Orient, run the Smithsonian Institution for 20 years, and was involved in several cryptozoological episodes, including the search for the Spiny Babbler (which he discovered), as well as the quests for the Mountain Quail, the Pink-Headed Duck, and the Pygmy Hog (all of which he did not discover). There is little doubt he used his searching for multiple objectives.

http://www.birding.in/images/Birds/pink_headed_duck.jpg
Pink Headed Duck

http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/index.html?action=SpcHTMDetails.asp&sid=468&m=0

http://www.arctic.ac.uk/images/barnacle_geese.jpg
Ornithologist

Why 42 days?

6 X 7 = 42

http://www.wiseguysonly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/basil-6-weeks.jpg
Basil @ six weeks

[celtic isis]

Its not really standing down IMO, as hes jumping straight back in again, and theres virtually no risk.

i know i realised it once i had said it lol

i do forget english words at times being surrounded by french 24/7 :)

[h2pogo]

David Davis welcomes your views.

http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/

easy to send messages via youtube.

http://youtube.com/daviddavisforfreedom

lets wake him up.

[psych641]

What do people make of this - Does/should it hurt Davis's allegedly 'principled' credibility?

Spin doctor behind Davis's campaign promotes ID cards

A spin doctor behind David Davis and his much-vaunted "freedom" campaign against creeping state surveillance is an influential figure in the worldwide promotion of identity cards, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

Kevin Bell is vice-president of Fleishman-Hillard, a global public relations firm representing security companies that have introduced ID cards in the United States and Spain. Opposition to the Government's move to introduce a British ID card is a major plank of the David Davis for Freedom campaign website, which Fleishman-Hillard also set up....

independant on sunday (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spin-doctor-behind-daviss-campaign-promotes-id-cards-856590.html)