If this is contrails

[tothestars]

then I am a Santa Claus


http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU

[bardofely]

Contrails - and what I have been seeing for years and labelling wrongly as chemtrails. Its just ice and is harmless!

[eternal_spirit]

Contrails - and what I have been seeing for years and labelling wrongly as chemtrails. Its just ice and is harmless!

...............................

But why oh why did contrails disperse not long after being released into the sky for years. But now the trails linger for hours? It's obvious to observe this with your own eyes. What do you think is the reason for this ?

[manchurian_candidate]

...............................

But why oh why did contrails disperse not long after being released into the sky for years. But now the trails linger for hours? It's obvious to observe this with your own eyes. What do you think is the reason for this ?

I with you on this one ES!!

[bardofely]

...............................

But why oh why did contrails disperse not long after being released into the sky for years. But now the trails linger for hours? It's obvious to observe this with your own eyes. What do you think is the reason for this ?

Because there is a whole lot more water up there now to cause "supersaturated" conditions!

I would suspect that this is caused by increased solar activity heating the planet(s) and causing water to evaporate and rise as it does as vapour. Where I live another source of taking water out of the ground and vegetation were 45mph gales for two days that shriveled plants and dried the ground. Where did the water go? Into the air!

There are also a hell of a lot more planes up there adding to the ice we can see.

I have realised something that I haven't heard anyone talking about and are just some thoughts of mine - we are heading fast into the Age of Aquarius the WATER-bearer. If you have seen the Jordan Maxwell lecture on video he explains about how there are specific scriptures about this in the New Testament - see for the scripture he refers to:
Luke 22:10
He said to them, "Just after you go into the city, a man carrying a jug of water will meet you. Follow him into the house he enters

http://bible.cc/luke/22-10.htm

Jordan talks about the end of an age - that of Pisces the Fish (we are leaving) and the new age being that of Aquarius.

So maybe this is part of the planet's changing process and the increased water in the heavens is a sign of the Age of Aquarius dawning as we enter the next house. We are being made aware of the increased water by the trails the planes are making.

[truthseeker1980]

Or as I have been thinking for the last few days.

Seeing as tptb wrote the religious texts, do you not ever think that maybe that's part of the plan to make everyone think that the age is starting to pick up pace? In other words I am not doubting we are entering the age of aquarious but tptb could be spreading info that there is alot more water, when in actual fact they are covering the skies with a thick soup of chemicals and maybe water, for a screen to play out the last chapters of all the religious books in 2012?

I got handed some religious crap the other day and the Christians are falling right into the NWO trap, the leaflet is all about the end of times and that the bible stories in revolations are now actually starting happen.

But as I see it, if tptb wrote the bible then it's going to be extremely easy for them to play out the last chapters, together with the supposed blue beam project.

[eternal_spirit]

The book of revelations is a long term busines plan for the Elite. They plan the future hundreds of years in advance, Revelations was added to the Bible long after the bible was originally written. So, it's not propehcy ( that's too fool the people )

If you believe in Atlantis or some advanced civilization
in the past that was as advanced or more advanced than ours. Then they would have had technologies such as HAARP, nuclear energy/ atom bombs etc, which may have wiped out that civilization either by war, or accident ( huge tidal waves is one theory ) or a huge comet or Planet X type scenario, could have casued tidal waves etc. ( By astronomy they would know about these things and be able to predict this )

They would have no problem beaming holographic images and voices into peoples minds ( who thought God/angels/demons where channeling telepathic messages to them ) Some of the holy texts would have been written this way.

Tesla feared HAARP that it could one day cause much destruction ( Standing Waves ) and the super heating of the atmosphere and possibly with other technologies destroy the planet.

BTW the 12 tribes is an allegory for the signs of the zodiac "there are no tribes" ( astrology is a red herring for the profane the masses superstitious nonsense not based on any real science...it's exoteric not esoteric/occult what some think, I know this sounds like a contradiciton but that's how they the Elite play the game at times ) the truth is to be found somewhere in astronomy.

[bardofely]

Or as I have been thinking for the last few days.

Seeing as tptb wrote the religious texts, do you not ever think that maybe that's part of the plan to make everyone think that the age is starting to pick up pace? In other words I am not doubting we are entering the age of aquarious but tptb could be spreading info that there is alot more water, when in actual fact they are covering the skies with a thick soup of chemicals and maybe water, for a screen to play out the last chapters of all the religious books in 2012?

I got handed some religious crap the other day and the Christians are falling right into the NWO trap, the leaflet is all about the end of times and that the bible stories in revolations are now actually starting happen.

But as I see it, if tptb wrote the bible then it's going to be extremely easy for them to play out the last chapters, together with the supposed blue beam project.

I don't believe there is a "thick soup of chemicals". I think there are ice crystals that take the blame and are being called such things. I posted a response here which appears to have been removed and went along with some very big pics of trails someone else posted, in which I explained how when I went back to Wales last July and was horrified to see trails all over the skies and people ignoring them that one thing didn't add up at all! If the sky was being filled with poisons then the wildlife below should be affected badly but apart from there being hardly any honeybees everything else was fine and lichens that I know only grow in UNPOLLUTED air were actually doing better than I had ever seen them around Cardiff. Now I can understand this - the trails above were harmless, the air condition around Cardiff had improved and the additional rain had helped vegetation grow.

The Bible is one of many belief systems that give signs to watch out for for the conclusion of this age. Do we give more credence to one such system over another? All the authors and researchers and speakers on these subjects selectively quote from them and draw theoretical conclusions. I was passing along mine. Unlike you I don't have to worry about the "chemical soup" because as stated I believe it is no more than ice and why the natural environment in South Wales was healthier despite the persistent contrails!

[meave]

I don't believe there is a "thick soup of chemicals". I think there are ice crystals that take the blame and are being called such things. I posted a response here which appears to have been removed and went along with some very big pics of trails someone else posted, in which I explained how when I went back to Wales last July and was horrified to see trails all over the skies and people ignoring them that one thing didn't add up at all! If the sky was being filled with poisons then the wildlife below should be affected badly but apart from there being hardly any honeybees everything else was fine and lichens that I know only grow in UNPOLLUTED air were actually doing better than I had ever seen them around Cardiff. Now I can understand this - the trails above were harmless, the air condition around Cardiff had improved and the additional rain had helped vegetation grow.

The Bible is one of many belief systems that give signs to watch out for for the conclusion of this age. Do we give more credence to one such system over another? All the authors and researchers and speakers on these subjects selectively quote from them and draw theoretical conclusions. I was passing along mine. Unlike you I don't have to worry about the "chemical soup" because as stated I believe it is no more than ice and why the natural environment in South Wales was healthier despite the persistent contrails!

thank you cos i thought was losing the point of this i live under half a dozon or more flight plans and they all look they same and i see the planes making them

[graflok]

Contrails - and what I have been seeing for years and labelling wrongly as chemtrails. Its just ice and is harmless!

Why don't we see these heavy trails every day?

[tothestars]

Perhaps there are some that neutralize or lessen the effect chemtrails do on environment/humans ? There are a lot of things that points in that direction if you start investigating.

BTW how come some chemtrails/contrails are grey/dark ?

Ice crystals ? :) or different chemicals ?

[meave]

Why don't we see these heavy trails every day?

wind pressure

[tothestars]

http://chemtrails.yuku.com/topic/1035/t/Re-THREE-TYPES-OF-BLACK-LINES-Descriptions.html?page=-1

I live in an area in Norway that have lots of chemtrails so I have seen this myself. And this is not regular airplanes as they dont follow a fixed route but randomly spray the skies making Xs

[graflok]

wind pressure

Please explain how "wind pressure" causes us to not see the trails every day.

[meave]

Please explain how "wind pressure" causes us to not see the trails every day.

When air cools, its ability to contain water vapor is reduced, quite drastically. This is the reason for clouds, mists and fog: As air cools, some of the invisible water vapor condenses into tiny droplets that hang in the air and scatter the light, giving a whitish look. On a cold day, you can see your own breath: The warm, moist air you exhale cools and the water vapor condenses and becomes mist. An engine "exhales" water vapor too; fuel is a compound of carbon and hydrogen, and when it burns, it is turned into carbon dioxide and water. Normally, the water vapor in engine exhaust stays invisible because it is quite hot and it disperses in the surrounding air before it cools off sufficiently to condense, but under certain conditions of (low) temperature and humidity, it will condense into a white mist.

Such conditions become more and more frequent with increasing altitude. At 10km (30,000ft) where jet-liners fly, conditions for condensation are the norm: On most days, a plane traveling at that altitude will form a contrail. Sometimes, the mist disperses quickly, the tiny droplets forming it evaporate back into the surrounding air and the mist disappears a short way from the plane. All we see is a small white "comet" that moves across the sky. On other days, the droplets freeze into ice particles and stay visible for a long time: We see a persistent contrail that forms a long line in the wake of the plane and may sometimes hang around long after the plane left, drifting with the wind, sometimes spreading. On such days, if one of the trafficked air corridors is overhead, the sky may get zebra-striped with contrails. In special conditions, when the high air is super-saturated with moisture, we may see a single contrail trigger wide-spread condensation forming a continuous layer of high clouds or mist covering parts of, or the entire sky.

There is a second kind of contrails. You may have seen photos or movies of jet fighters performing some abrupt maneuver. Small contrails come from wing-tips and other places. When air is compressed, it gets hotter, and when it is decompressed, it gets colder. An aircraft, even when flying straight and level, creates a complex of pressure-waves that cause local temperature displacements. Under the right conditions, this gives rise to contrails. Since no moisture is added to the atmosphere, such contrails are less dense and have much shorter duration that the ones coming from the engine exhaust. Under conditions where pressure-wave contrails are created, exhaust contrails will be very prominent, and we rarely notice the other type

quoting someone else but he explains it better

[graflok]

When air cools, its ability to contain water vapor is reduced, quite drastically. This is the reason for clouds, mists and fog: As air cools, some of the invisible water vapor condenses into tiny droplets that hang in the air and scatter the light, giving a whitish look. On a cold day, you can see your own breath: The warm, moist air you exhale cools and the water vapor condenses and becomes mist. An engine "exhales" water vapor too; fuel is a compound of carbon and hydrogen, and when it burns, it is turned into carbon dioxide and water. Normally, the water vapor in engine exhaust stays invisible because it is quite hot and it disperses in the surrounding air before it cools off sufficiently to condense, but under certain conditions of (low) temperature and humidity, it will condense into a white mist.

Such conditions become more and more frequent with increasing altitude. At 10km (30,000ft) where jet-liners fly, conditions for condensation are the norm: On most days, a plane traveling at that altitude will form a contrail. Sometimes, the mist disperses quickly, the tiny droplets forming it evaporate back into the surrounding air and the mist disappears a short way from the plane. All we see is a small white "comet" that moves across the sky. On other days, the droplets freeze into ice particles and stay visible for a long time: We see a persistent contrail that forms a long line in the wake of the plane and may sometimes hang around long after the plane left, drifting with the wind, sometimes spreading. On such days, if one of the trafficked air corridors is overhead, the sky may get zebra-striped with contrails. In special conditions, when the high air is super-saturated with moisture, we may see a single contrail trigger wide-spread condensation forming a continuous layer of high clouds or mist covering parts of, or the entire sky.

There is a second kind of contrails. You may have seen photos or movies of jet fighters performing some abrupt maneuver. Small contrails come from wing-tips and other places. When air is compressed, it gets hotter, and when it is decompressed, it gets colder. An aircraft, even when flying straight and level, creates a complex of pressure-waves that cause local temperature displacements. Under the right conditions, this gives rise to contrails. Since no moisture is added to the atmosphere, such contrails are less dense and have much shorter duration that the ones coming from the engine exhaust. Under conditions where pressure-wave contrails are created, exhaust contrails will be very prominent, and we rarely notice the other type

quoting someone else but he explains it better

So, you're saying that the reason we don't see these heavy trails every day is
because of temperature variance?

[eternal_spirit]

A theory that they maybe experimenting...adding, mixing in some sort of blue dye, so the trails blend in with the sky and become invisible.

I live on a hill, and there's two airports on either side, the flight paths are directly above me. I've watched the passenger planes since I was a small child ( they've always left contrails and still do which disperse soon after being released)

The chemtrails having nothing to do with civilian/passenger planes. It's so easy to spot the planes ( military or whatever ) that leave the chemtrails, they're not travelling in one direction, they do U turns and circles etc. it's bleedin obvious.

[meave]

So, you're saying that the reason we don't see these heavy trails every day is
because of temperature variance?

yes the same way you don't see your breathe condensing every day

[graflok]

yes the same way you don't see your breathe condensing every day

Could you provide some documentation on the temperature variance that
occurs at contrail altitudes which I believe is around 30,000+ feet?

[cruise4]

OPEN SKIES TREATY - RELATED LINKS
Open Skies Treaty "Fact Sheet" from: Bureau of Arms Control - Washington, DC:
http://www.state.gov/t/ac/rls/fs/2004/33147.htm

Open Skies Consultative Commission
http://www.osce.org/

Treaty on Open Skies (As a PDF File)
http://www.osce.org/item/13764.html

AERIAL SPRAYING - CHEMTRAILS
NR23.net Alan Marsden's Website From deep in the Norwich GoldenTriangle (http://www.nr23.net/)

MoD test of aerial spraying over Norwich (http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm)

The Dorset Biological Warfare Experiments 1963-75 (http://www.nr23.net/govt/spray_dorset.htm)

BBC Article - Inquiry into spray cancer claims (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)

The effects of cadmium spraying over a city [Norwich, England] in the 1960s are to be investigated after claims that it was linked with cancer of the oesophagus. (Alan Watt : Norwich wasn't the only city to be sprayed by CHEMTRAILS since I can remember huge figure 8 and giant X's which lingered for many hours over parts of Scotland during this time period.)
See MSDS Toxicity Sheet for Cadmium (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cadmium-9923223)

Video: The Discovery Channel Special entitled "Owning The Weather (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8262483364410309502)" (About Weather Modification)

Here's a few relevant Alan Watt blurbs:
Feb 16, 2007
Open Skies Treaty / Exoteric Good Reason, Esoteric Real Reason - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007_24.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007.html).

April 26, 2007
Atmospheric Alchemists and the Chemtrails they Weave (UN and the Sustainable Development Bandwagon) - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. html).

Sept. 21, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemtrails Keeping You Quiet - War on the Minds of Men" - mp3 (http://cuttingthroughthematrix.us/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.html).

Oct. 1, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemical Spraying, Memory Fading, Bio-War on Humanity" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.html).


Jan. 7, 2008
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Sprayed Skies Falling on Me, Blind are Coughing but cannot See, Chemtrails all the Day Long, Never Saw Our Health going so Wrong" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.html).

April 13, 2008 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk)
"Global Shock and Awe, with 'Calmatives' for Dessert - The Use of Tranquillizing and Hypnotic Agents on the Public in Times of Crisis or Riot" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.html)
(Video Link: Mike Wallace interviews Aldous Huxley (http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/huxley_aldous.html), May 18, 1958. Posted at University of Texas at Austin.)
(Songs: "Gimmie Gimmie Shock Treatment" and "I Wanna Be Sedated" by The Ramones.)
Topics of show covered in following links:
"The Advantages and Limitations of Calmatives for Use as a Non-Lethal Technique (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/psucalm.pdf)" Penn State College of Medicine Applied Research Lab Laboratory, Pennsylvania State University (at sunshine-project.org).
"The Sheep Incident (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=945)" by Scott Cianciosi (damninteresting.com) - March 17th, 2008.
"US/UK Non-Lethal Weapons (NLW)/Urban Operations Executive Seminar, 30 November 2000, London, UK (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/usukassess.pdf)" (at sunshine-project.org).


Article: Is U.S. Government. Secretly Testing Americans 'Again'? (http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?s=7339345)

Video: Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI)

Article: Thousands Exposed to Poison by Government's Aerial Spraying (http://www.newstarget.com/022434.html)

Article: (PDF File, 2.2 MB) Illegal Aerosol Spraying Operations over United Kingdom Airspace - An Informal Report (********************/2w8ytk)... by Andrew Johnson - May 2007.

(I SEE LINES) CHEMTRAILS MATRIX HOMEPAGE (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/INDEXCHEMTRAILS.html)

SUPERBOWL Superspray (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/superbowlsunday/PhotoAlbum275.html)

(Link to US Code: 50 USC CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM 01/02/2006 (http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt) See title 50, chapter 32, subsection 1520a, paragraph b.)

(Link to Patent: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm --Then type in 5003186 for search.)

Video: Weatherman radar gets jammed by chemtrails-Military testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio)

another comprehensive post by matrixcutter

[hewrote]

yeah, and then there are the days where I can see 3-5 large trails being laid...followed by aircraft at approx. the same height leaving NO trail at all.Followed by 3-5 more planes again leaving THICK expanding trails. Sure, expanding ice crystals in the baking sun. WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!?!?!? Oh it's the age of Aquarius!! THAT explains it!!

[graflok]

OPEN SKIES TREATY - RELATED LINKS
Open Skies Treaty "Fact Sheet" from: Bureau of Arms Control - Washington, DC:
http://www.state.gov/t/ac/rls/fs/2004/33147.htm

Open Skies Consultative Commission
http://www.osce.org/

Treaty on Open Skies (As a PDF File)
http://www.osce.org/item/13764.html

AERIAL SPRAYING - CHEMTRAILS
NR23.net Alan Marsden's Website From deep in the Norwich GoldenTriangle (http://www.nr23.net/)

MoD test of aerial spraying over Norwich (http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm)

The Dorset Biological Warfare Experiments 1963-75 (http://www.nr23.net/spray_dorset.htm)

BBC Article - Inquiry into spray cancer claims (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)

The effects of cadmium spraying over a city [Norwich, England] in the 1960s are to be investigated after claims that it was linked with cancer of the oesophagus. (Alan Watt : Norwich wasn't the only city to be sprayed by CHEMTRAILS since I can remember huge figure 8 and giant X's which lingered for many hours over parts of Scotland during this time period.)
See MSDS Toxicity Sheet for Cadmium (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cadmium-9923223)

Video: The Discovery Channel Special entitled "Owning The Weather (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8262483364410309502)" (About Weather Modification)

Here's a few relevant Alan Watt blurbs:
Feb 16, 2007
Open Skies Treaty / Exoteric Good Reason, Esoteric Real Reason - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007_24.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007.html).

April 26, 2007
Atmospheric Alchemists and the Chemtrails they Weave (UN and the Sustainable Development Bandwagon) - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. html).

Sept. 21, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemtrails Keeping You Quiet - War on the Minds of Men" - mp3 (http://cuttingthroughthematrix.us/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.html).

Oct. 1, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemical Spraying, Memory Fading, Bio-War on Humanity" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.html).


Jan. 7, 2008
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Sprayed Skies Falling on Me, Blind are Coughing but cannot See, Chemtrails all the Day Long, Never Saw Our Health going so Wrong" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.html).

April 13, 2008 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk)
"Global Shock and Awe, with 'Calmatives' for Dessert - The Use of Tranquillizing and Hypnotic Agents on the Public in Times of Crisis or Riot" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.html)
(Video Link: Mike Wallace interviews Aldous Huxley (http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/huxley_aldous.html), May 18, 1958. Posted at University of Texas at Austin.)
(Songs: "Gimmie Gimmie Shock Treatment" and "I Wanna Be Sedated" by The Ramones.)
Topics of show covered in following links:
"The Advantages and Limitations of Calmatives for Use as a Non-Lethal Technique (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/psucalm.pdf)" Penn State College of Medicine Applied Research Lab Laboratory, Pennsylvania State University (at sunshine-project.org).
"The Sheep Incident (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=945)" by Scott Cianciosi (damninteresting.com) - March 17th, 2008.
"US/UK Non-Lethal Weapons (NLW)/Urban Operations Executive Seminar, 30 November 2000, London, UK (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/usukassess.pdf)" (at sunshine-project.org).


Article: Is U.S. Government. Secretly Testing Americans 'Again'? (http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?s=7339345)

Video: Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI)

Article: Thousands Exposed to Poison by Government's Aerial Spraying (http://www.newstarget.com/022434.html)

Article: (PDF File, 2.2 MB) Illegal Aerosol Spraying Operations over United Kingdom Airspace - An Informal Report (********************/2w8ytk)... by Andrew Johnson - May 2007.

(I SEE LINES) CHEMTRAILS MATRIX HOMEPAGE (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/INDEXCHEMTRAILS.html)

SUPERBOWL Superspray (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/superbowlsunday/PhotoAlbum275.html)

(Link to US Code: 50 USC CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM 01/02/2006 (http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt) See title 50, chapter 32, subsection 1520a, paragraph b.)

(Link to Patent: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm --Then type in 5003186 for search.)

Video: Weatherman radar gets jammed by chemtrails-Military testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio)

another comprehensive post by matrixcutter

I see nothing on any of these pages that addresses my question. Most don't
even contain the word "temperature" and some links are even dead.

Please answer the question in a direct manner or, if you don't know the
answer, please say so.

Why are these heavy trails not seen every day?

[hewrote]

for those that think all this spraying is normal. here's your page.

http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm

[largejack]

Ok if some people on here think that Chemtrails do not exist then what is operation cloverleaf and operation red sky.

[bardofely]

Why don't we see these heavy trails every day?

Because the weather changes! Its why it makes such a popular talking point. If it was the same every day then we would have something to worry about!

[bardofely]

When air cools, its ability to contain water vapor is reduced, quite drastically. This is the reason for clouds, mists and fog: As air cools, some of the invisible water vapor condenses into tiny droplets that hang in the air and scatter the light, giving a whitish look. On a cold day, you can see your own breath: The warm, moist air you exhale cools and the water vapor condenses and becomes mist. An engine "exhales" water vapor too; fuel is a compound of carbon and hydrogen, and when it burns, it is turned into carbon dioxide and water. Normally, the water vapor in engine exhaust stays invisible because it is quite hot and it disperses in the surrounding air before it cools off sufficiently to condense, but under certain conditions of (low) temperature and humidity, it will condense into a white mist.

Such conditions become more and more frequent with increasing altitude. At 10km (30,000ft) where jet-liners fly, conditions for condensation are the norm: On most days, a plane traveling at that altitude will form a contrail. Sometimes, the mist disperses quickly, the tiny droplets forming it evaporate back into the surrounding air and the mist disappears a short way from the plane. All we see is a small white "comet" that moves across the sky. On other days, the droplets freeze into ice particles and stay visible for a long time: We see a persistent contrail that forms a long line in the wake of the plane and may sometimes hang around long after the plane left, drifting with the wind, sometimes spreading. On such days, if one of the trafficked air corridors is overhead, the sky may get zebra-striped with contrails. In special conditions, when the high air is super-saturated with moisture, we may see a single contrail trigger wide-spread condensation forming a continuous layer of high clouds or mist covering parts of, or the entire sky.

There is a second kind of contrails. You may have seen photos or movies of jet fighters performing some abrupt maneuver. Small contrails come from wing-tips and other places. When air is compressed, it gets hotter, and when it is decompressed, it gets colder. An aircraft, even when flying straight and level, creates a complex of pressure-waves that cause local temperature displacements. Under the right conditions, this gives rise to contrails. Since no moisture is added to the atmosphere, such contrails are less dense and have much shorter duration that the ones coming from the engine exhaust. Under conditions where pressure-wave contrails are created, exhaust contrails will be very prominent, and we rarely notice the other type

quoting someone else but he explains it better

Much better than I could explain it too!

[bardofely]

Ok if some people on here think that Chemtrails do not exist then what is operation cloverleaf and operation red sky.

Something I have read about in the past and part of the unsubstantiated material that makes up the chemtrail belief system and if I remember correctly was put out there by a source being called Deep Shield who was not willing to be actually identified and who was subsequently reported to have suicided!

It is plain enough to me to see that, as I have kept stating, what I have seen and what others are seeing and posting photos of are contrails made of ice crystals. There are no unexplained photos or videos that people like JazzRoc and Uncinus at contrail science have not explained and dismissed as more contrails. I know that JazzRoc spent many hours going through all the videos at YouTube before he was banned and he found not one single example of a trail he couldn't explain.

[cruise4]

"I see nothing on any of these pages that addresses my question."

That's because it's not an answer to your question

The OP was tothestars who said:

If this is contrails
then I am a Santa Claus
Chemtrails - If you have ever doubted, You won't after this

That post applies to the "If you have ever doubted, You won't after this" bit

Try to keep up.

And the one faulty link is now fixed. Thanks for identifying it.

[graflok]

Because the weather changes! Its why it makes such a popular talking point. If it was the same every day then we would have something to worry about!

Please explain how weather changes at 30,000+ feet affect the production of these trails.

[graflok]

That's because it's not an answer to your question



So, we are still back at the same unanswered question:
Why don't we see these trails every day?

[largejack]

Because the trails are chemtrails and not contrails but I'm sure you knew that:D

[meave]

Could you provide some documentation on the temperature variance that
occurs at contrail altitudes which I believe is around 30,000+ feet?

sorry it took me sol ong to get back (had do hair and make up for some one) if have found the calculation and you can work it out for yourself as there is more than one varriable i did study this a college but it was along time ago so im giving you a link
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Missions/Jim/Project1ans.htm

[graflok]

sorry it took me sol ong to get back (had do hair and make up for some one) if have found the calculation and you can work it out for yourself as there is more than one varriable i did study this a college but it was along time ago so im giving you a link
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Missions/Jim/Project1ans.htm


That page contains formulas related to propulsion systems and nothing that
addresses my question.

The question is: why are these heavy trails visible only on certain days?

[meave]

That page contains formulas related to propulsion systems and nothing that
addresses my question.

The question is: why are these heavy trails visible only on certain days?

the same way your breathe i is only visable and some times heavier on differant days tempeture and how it forms is based on wind vairable

[kweli]

OPEN SKIES TREATY - RELATED LINKS
Open Skies Treaty "Fact Sheet" from: Bureau of Arms Control - Washington, DC:
http://www.state.gov/t/ac/rls/fs/2004/33147.htm

Open Skies Consultative Commission
http://www.osce.org/

Treaty on Open Skies (As a PDF File)
http://www.osce.org/item/13764.html

AERIAL SPRAYING - CHEMTRAILS
NR23.net Alan Marsden's Website From deep in the Norwich GoldenTriangle (http://www.nr23.net/)

MoD test of aerial spraying over Norwich (http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm)

The Dorset Biological Warfare Experiments 1963-75 (http://www.nr23.net/govt/spray_dorset.htm)

BBC Article - Inquiry into spray cancer claims (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)

The effects of cadmium spraying over a city [Norwich, England] in the 1960s are to be investigated after claims that it was linked with cancer of the oesophagus. (Alan Watt : Norwich wasn't the only city to be sprayed by CHEMTRAILS since I can remember huge figure 8 and giant X's which lingered for many hours over parts of Scotland during this time period.)
See MSDS Toxicity Sheet for Cadmium (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cadmium-9923223)

Video: The Discovery Channel Special entitled "Owning The Weather (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8262483364410309502)" (About Weather Modification)

Here's a few relevant Alan Watt blurbs:
Feb 16, 2007
Open Skies Treaty / Exoteric Good Reason, Esoteric Real Reason - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007_24.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007.html).

April 26, 2007
Atmospheric Alchemists and the Chemtrails they Weave (UN and the Sustainable Development Bandwagon) - mp3 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_AtmosphericAlchemists_April262007. html).

Sept. 21, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemtrails Keeping You Quiet - War on the Minds of Men" - mp3 (http://cuttingthroughthematrix.us/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_15_Chemtrails_Keeping_You _Quiet--War_on_the_Minds_of_Men_Sept212007.html).

Oct. 1, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Chemical Spraying, Memory Fading, Bio-War on Humanity" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.html).


Jan. 7, 2008
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
"Sprayed Skies Falling on Me, Blind are Coughing but cannot See, Chemtrails all the Day Long, Never Saw Our Health going so Wrong" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_59_Sprayed_Skies_Falling_ on_Me_Jan072008.html).

April 13, 2008 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk)
"Global Shock and Awe, with 'Calmatives' for Dessert - The Use of Tranquillizing and Hypnotic Agents on the Public in Times of Crisis or Riot" - mp3 (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_Global_Shock_and_Awe__with_Calmati ves_for_Dessert_Apr132008.html)
(Video Link: Mike Wallace interviews Aldous Huxley (http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/huxley_aldous.html), May 18, 1958. Posted at University of Texas at Austin.)
(Songs: "Gimmie Gimmie Shock Treatment" and "I Wanna Be Sedated" by The Ramones.)
Topics of show covered in following links:
"The Advantages and Limitations of Calmatives for Use as a Non-Lethal Technique (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/psucalm.pdf)" Penn State College of Medicine Applied Research Lab Laboratory, Pennsylvania State University (at sunshine-project.org).
"The Sheep Incident (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=945)" by Scott Cianciosi (damninteresting.com) - March 17th, 2008.
"US/UK Non-Lethal Weapons (NLW)/Urban Operations Executive Seminar, 30 November 2000, London, UK (http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/jnlwdpdf/usukassess.pdf)" (at sunshine-project.org).


Article: Is U.S. Government. Secretly Testing Americans 'Again'? (http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?s=7339345)

Video: Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI)

Article: Thousands Exposed to Poison by Government's Aerial Spraying (http://www.newstarget.com/022434.html)

Article: (PDF File, 2.2 MB) Illegal Aerosol Spraying Operations over United Kingdom Airspace - An Informal Report (********************/2w8ytk)... by Andrew Johnson - May 2007.

(I SEE LINES) CHEMTRAILS MATRIX HOMEPAGE (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/INDEXCHEMTRAILS.html)

SUPERBOWL Superspray (http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/superbowlsunday/PhotoAlbum275.html)

(Link to US Code: 50 USC CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM 01/02/2006 (http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/50C32.txt) See title 50, chapter 32, subsection 1520a, paragraph b.)

(Link to Patent: Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm --Then type in 5003186 for search.)

Video: Weatherman radar gets jammed by chemtrails-Military testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio)

another comprehensive post by matrixcutter

Thanks cruise, there's a fair bit of stuff there that I haven't come across before.

[graflok]

the same way your breathe i is only visable and some times heavier on differant days tempeture and how it forms is based on wind vairable

So, you're saying that the temperature at 30,000+ feet (the stratosphere) gets
so warm on some days that no trails are produced?

But, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere) reference says the stratosphere increases in temperature as you go higher
and at the highest point the temperature is still only about 26 degrees F.
That would mean the highest temp of the stratosphere is still well below
freezing.

And, of course, freezing temperatures produce frozen water and visible vapor.

So, could you explain this contradiction?

[meave]

So, you're saying that the temperature at 30,000+ feet (the stratosphere) gets
so warm on some days that no trails are produced?

But, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere) reference says the stratosphere increases in temperature as you go higher
and at the highest point the temperature is still only about 26 degrees F.
That would mean the highest temp of the stratosphere is still well below
freezing.

And, of course, freezing temperatures produce frozen water and visible vapor.

So, could you explain this contradiction?

26 degrees F is -3.3333 degrees c water freezes at 0 dregrees c so whats to explain

and also i'm not saying that chemitrails don't exisits but some of the photo i have seen on this site are easly explained

[graflok]

26 degrees F is -3.3333 degrees c water freezes at 0 dregrees c so whats to explain

Note the minus sign:

-3.333 degrees C is below 0 degrees centigrade. That means the
temperature is below freezing. Water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade
and below.

In other words, that reference is saying that the temp of the stratosphere
is at or below freezing. This contradicts the idea that on certain days the
temperature is so high that real contrails are not formed.

So, the question remains unanswered: Why are these heavy trails not visible
every day?

Any other "chemtrail debunker" want to try an answer?

[meave]

Note the minus sign:

-3.333 degrees C is below 0 degrees centigrade. That means the
temperature is below freezing. Water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade
and below.

In other words, that reference is saying that the temp of the stratosphere
is at or below freezing. This contradicts the idea that on certain days the
temperature is so high that real contrails are not formed.

So, the question remains unanswered: Why are these heavy trails not visible
every day?

Any other "chemtrail debunker" want to try an answer?

cos i'm a twat but i hope this helps

http://lcrc.org/oldpages/stu8.htm

[meave]

A model airplane site. :rolleyes:

I think we're talking about the full size articles here.

And, it still doesn't address or answer the simple question: If these trails are
simply contrails why don't we see them every day?

like i said im a twat:o

[eternal_spirit]

A model airplane site. :rolleyes:

I think we're talking about the full size articles here.

And, it still doesn't address or answer the simple question: If these trails are
simply contrails why don't we see them every day?

What happened to our green haired bard? Did he sneak out when nobody was
looking?

It's a good question.

He's prob gone to drown his sorrows over at jazzroccs ( disinfo mission failed ) They'll be pairing up to do google next heard he's banned from youtube.

[graflok]

like i said im a twat:o

That's OK. You tried and you were polite. :)

[meave]

That's OK. You tried and you were polite. :)

manners cost nothing:)

[bardofely]

It's a good question.

He's prob gone to drown his sorrows over at jazzroccs ( disinfo mission failed ) They'll be pairing up to do google next heard he's banned from youtube.

How is it a good question?

I have posted here yesterday. I don't live on this board! I don't have any disinfo mission!

PS For graflok, on answer to this:

"And, it still doesn't address or answer the simple question: If these trails are
simply contrails why don't we see them every day?"

Because as has been stated already here and elsewhere the conditions change every day. That is normal. It would be something to worry about if it wasn't that way, wouldn't it?

Have you actually read what is on the contrailscience.com site or in JazzRoc's Wordpress blog?

[cruise4]

"like i said im a twat"

In a sea of plonkers standing tall may not be a bad thing.

[meave]

"like i said im a twat"

In a sea of plonkers standing tall may not be a bad thing.

cheers cruise4 :)

[graflok]

Because as has been stated already here and elsewhere the conditions change every day. That is normal. It would be something to worry about if it wasn't that way, wouldn't it?



This is a little too vague an answer for me to accept as an answer to the
question asked.

Yes, I know that things change. My beard gets a little longer, my gas tank
gets a little emptier, my weeds get a little taller, etc., etc.

Please be specific. What changes and how does it change and how does this
answer the question: Why don't we see these trails every day?

[keystone]

This is a little too vague an answer for me to accept as an answer to the
question asked.

Yes, I know that things change. My beard gets a little longer, my gas tank
gets a little emptier, my weeds get a little taller, etc., etc.

Please be specific. What changes and how does it change and how does this
answer the question: Why don't we see these trails every day?

Haven't waded through the thread (sorry) but the images in the OPs link are neither contrails nor chemtrails. They are a naturaly formed cloud formation and if I could remember where I've left the link to the pertinent research data I'd post it but it will have to wait 'til I've remembered where I've put it.:o

[largejack]

This is a little too vague an answer for me to accept as an answer to the
question asked.

Yes, I know that things change. My beard gets a little longer, my gas tank
gets a little emptier, my weeds get a little taller, etc., etc.

Please be specific. What changes and how does it change and how does this
answer the question: Why don't we see these trails every day?

I can answer it for you. It is because they don't spray everyday:D

[lordofangels]

This morning a beautiful clear blue sky, then 3 planes depositing their poison, my blue sky started filling up with very dark bubbly clouds along all the 3 chemtrails, these merged to cover the whole sky above, yes you've guessed it, showers filthy rain , the marks and streaks on my windows are the worst i've seen in about 15 years, but it's so still outside, and really eerie.

[hagbard_celine]

I don't believe there is a "thick soup of chemicals". I think there are ice crystals that take the blame and are being called such things. I posted a response here which appears to have been removed and went along with some very big pics of trails someone else posted, in which I explained how when I went back to Wales last July and was horrified to see trails all over the skies and people ignoring them that one thing didn't add up at all! If the sky was being filled with poisons then the wildlife below should be affected badly but apart from there being hardly any honeybees everything else was fine and lichens that I know only grow in UNPOLLUTED air were actually doing better than I had ever seen them around Cardiff. Now I can understand this - the trails above were harmless, the air condition around Cardiff had improved and the additional rain had helped vegetation grow.

The Bible is one of many belief systems that give signs to watch out for for the conclusion of this age. Do we give more credence to one such system over another? All the authors and researchers and speakers on these subjects selectively quote from them and draw theoretical conclusions. I was passing along mine. Unlike you I don't have to worry about the "chemical soup" because as stated I believe it is no more than ice and why the natural environment in South Wales was healthier despite the persistent contrails!


How is it that the "contrail" from a single jet aircraft can leave a residue that can spread out to be several miles wide and over a hundred miles long?

I understand the principle of that heat causes water vapour to condence and then freeze into ice particles if it's cold enough. The thing is that how much water vapour is actually disturbed by the plane's jets? Not much surely! I can only guess, but I'd reckon a few dozen litres for every hour of flight.

[schaff]

I live on the isle of wight and and have an uniterrupted view of the english channel. Because of the open view i get to see many planes flying at high altitude . The thing that gets to me is i see planes leaving small contrails, some with huge chemtrails and some with none AT THE SAME TIME! So if this was down to weather conditions why don't they all leave the same trail? Since i have been awake i cannot believe how people do not notice that on beautiful sunny days (i live on a seaside resort) the weather seems to only really drastically change by chemtrails.
Has the british goverment ever been asked about what is going on and if so what was their reply? Also has anyone ever wrote to their local mp to see what they say? Last week i decided to drive a few of my friends to a beach in ryde on the other side of the isle of wight. On the way there we all agreed that we had never seen so many chemtrails being made at the same time and because of that by the time we got to the beach the sky was just a haze. There is definately something not right.

[hagbard_celine]

I live on the isle of wight and and have an uniterrupted view of the english channel. Because of the open view i get to see many planes flying at high altitude . The thing that gets to me is i see planes leaving small contrails, some with huge chemtrails and some with none AT THE SAME TIME! So if this was down to weather conditions why don't they all leave the same trail? Since i have been awake i cannot believe how people do not notice that on beautiful sunny days (i live on a seaside resort) the weather seems to only really drastically change by chemtrails.
Has the british goverment ever been asked about what is going on and if so what was their reply? Also has anyone ever wrote to their local mp to see what they say? Last week i decided to drive a few of my friends to a beach in ryde on the other side of the isle of wight. On the way there we all agreed that we had never seen so many chemtrails being made at the same time and because of that by the time we got to the beach the sky was just a haze. There is definately something not right.


That's right. It's also the strange precipitation that sometimes accompanies the chemtrails. Fibres, aluminium particles and bacteria etc. How can anyone explain that?

[keystone]

I can answer it for you. It is because they don't spray everyday:D

Another answer would be because the weather conditions aren't right for contrails to form everyday.:D