Birth Control Of The Ancients

[amercury]

Yep...astrology.


According to Linda Goodman in her book Love Signs:

“A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing” ( Ecclesiastes3:1-5), concerns a specific knowledge possessed and suppressed by the Temple High Priests during the time of Jesus.

“There is a way of controlling birth that is not harmful to health, is both religiously and aesthetically acceptable, costs nothing and is 100% dependable”

“As the ancients who planned the conception of Kings knew well, a woman can conceive only during a certain approximately two hour period of each Lunar month, when the Sun and the Moon are exactly the same number of degrees apart as they were at the moment of the woman’s first breath at birth”

The woman doesn’t even need to know the hour of birth, just the correct month, day and year. Each month calculate the day where the Sun and Moon are the same degrees apart as they are at birth, and add a day or two as a safety margin on either side of the day the fertile two hours falls. (sperm can stay alive and fertilize an egg for a day or two) One only needs to refrain from “embracing” about 5 days out of the month.

However if you are trying to conceive it is best to know the exact time of birth to calculate the two hour fertile period.

Linda Goodman calls this ‘astrobiology’ and states that it “has been meticulously researched in scientifically controlled tests with thousands of women”

Wouldn’t it be awesome if there was no abortion or unwanted babies???

I had a child four years ago. I had read about this before getting pregnant but never used it as a form of birth control. Right after I found out I was pregnant I knew I wanted to put this to the test. I knew for sure within a three day period of when I conceived, so I calculated my natal chart and looked at the position of the sun and moon over those three days in which I conceived. Lo and behold the distance of degrees matched my natal distance between sun and moon during those three days.

I am a believer….does anyone else want to put it to the test??? :D:eek::)

[clozaril]

Yep...astrology.


According to Linda Goodman in her book Love Signs:

“A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing” ( Ecclesiastes3:1-5), concerns a specific knowledge possessed and suppressed by the Temple High Priests during the time of Jesus.

“There is a way of controlling birth that is not harmful to health, is both religiously and aesthetically acceptable, costs nothing and is 100% dependable”

“As the ancients who planned the conception of Kings knew well, a woman can conceive only during a certain approximately two hour period of each Lunar month, when the Sun and the Moon are exactly the same number of degrees apart as they were at the moment of the woman’s first breath at birth”

The woman doesn’t even need to know the hour of birth, just the correct month, day and year. Each month calculate the day where the Sun and Moon are the same degrees apart as they are at birth, and add a day or two as a safety margin on either side of the day the fertile two hours falls. (sperm can stay alive and fertilize an egg for a day or two) One only needs to refrain from “embracing” about 5 days out of the month.

However if you are trying to conceive it is best to know the exact time of birth to calculate the two hour fertile period.

Linda Goodman calls this ‘astrobiology’ and states that it “has been meticulously researched in scientifically controlled tests with thousands of women”

Wouldn’t it be awesome if there was no abortion or unwanted babies???

I had a child four years ago. I had read about this before getting pregnant but never used it as a form of birth control. Right after I found out I was pregnant I knew I wanted to put this to the test. I knew for sure within a three day period of when I conceived, so I calculated my natal chart and looked at the position of the sun and moon over those three days in which I conceived. Lo and behold the distance of degrees matched my natal distance between sun and moon during those three days.

I am a believer….does anyone else want to put it to the test??? :D:eek::)


yep we can give it a try:D

[revolutionary_jam]

...guess what my favourite thing about this method of birth control is...

[amercury]

yep we can give it a try:D

keep us posted....:D:D

[amercury]

...guess what my favourite thing about this method of birth control is...

is it the all natural feeling that goes with it?

do tell;)

[alzee]

Hi, your post is particularly interesting to me as my partner and I are trying to conceive :)

How do you calculate the point in the month to 'go for it'? I mean, I know that its the time when the sun and moon are the same degrees apart, but how do I calculate that? Any help you can give here is appreciated :)

If it's any help, following are her birth details:
Tanya, 8th March 1974 51.51N 0.36E
We can't find out the time tho.

I can honestly say that I never expected my first post here to involve conception!

[amercury]

Hi, your post is particularly interesting to me as my partner and I are trying to conceive :)

How do you calculate the point in the month to 'go for it'? I mean, I know that its the time when the sun and moon are the same degrees apart, but how do I calculate that? Any help you can give here is appreciated :)

If it's any help, following are her birth details:
Tanya, 8th March 1974 51.51N 0.36E
We can't find out the time tho.

I can honestly say that I never expected my first post here to involve conception!

Hi alzee, welcome to the forum:D

You would look at the natal chart and count the degrees in distance between the sun and moon. There are 360 degrees in the wheel and each sign has 30 degrees.

For example, my sun is at 18 degrees gemini and my moon is 22 degrees scorpio so they are 154 degrees apart.

Then looking at an ephemeris (which can be found online or at a bookstore, and which tells you what degree and sign the sun and moon are in everyday of each month) will tell you when they are at the same degrees apart as at birth.

To be really accurate you need the time of birth though, because the moon moves about 1 degree every 2.5 hours. So in a 24 hour period you could be off by 10 degrees. Do you know if your partner was born day or night? Morning or afternoon? Narrowing it down as much as possible would be better. However it could still be figured out, you would just not be able to narrow down the time frame to 2 hours.

It is actually much more simple than is sounds. I have a busy couple of days coming up, but I can figure it out for you later in the week if you are having trouble with it.



:Dthis is soooo exciting:D

[alzee]

Hi amercury, and thanks for the assistance :)

I've been speaking to the hospital where she was born and theyre trying to track down the Time of Birth for us, hopefully by next week we'll have an answer.

I'll let you know when we do.

[alzee]

Right, despite having asked the question of her mother several times over the years, and never receiving an answer other than "i cant remember" (fair dues on that one, she did have a heart attack giving birth!), yesterday when asked the question, she gave an answer of 9:10pm!

We're hoping that this is accurate, but ofc theres only one way to find out.

So if anyone would like ot help out with the degree distance of moon-sun thing for the next couple of months, it'd be sooo welcome!

Thanks

T&A

[amercury]

Well there you go....9:10:)
Even if the time is wrong we can figure it out within a days time frame I think.

I'll check it out for you as soon as I get a chance alzee.
Or if anyone else feels like doing a little calculating....have at it.

[alzee]

Thanks amercury ^^

[maat]

I have used this method of birth control for six years and it has worked every time. You calculate the number of degrees between the moon and the sun in your birth chart, and then every month, abstain from risky behavior when the moon is the same number of degrees away from the sun.

For instance, my sun sign is at 1 degree Leo and my Moon sign is at 13 degrees Libra. This month, my time to conceive will be when the moon is 72 degrees in front of the sun (Since the sun is in Cancer, the moon will be in Virgo during my fertile period). SInce I am not ready to have a baby, I will abstain from sex for 2 or 3 days before that time, since sperm can live for that long.

If you are trying to conceive, you can even control the sex of the baby by conceiving during months when the moon is in a masculine or feminine sign. For example, since my conception time this month falls on a day when the moon is in Virgo (a feminine sign), I would have a girl.

Good luck. I can guarantee that this works! ;)

[pri01]

How can the sperm which determines the sex be controlled by these forces?:confused:

[hagbard_celine]

I am a believer….does anyone else want to put it to the test??? :D:eek::)


What an offer! :D Why, Miss Amercury, I hardly know you!:eek::D

Seriously though, I've always had my doubts that the conventional pill, condoms etc were the only methods. I read a book a few years ago called The Creative Vacuum I'll check my sheves to see if it's still there. In one of the chapters, the authors report that a man who brought back a very effective herbal contraceptive drug from the Amazon was threatened by the pharmaceitical companies, and I mean death threats! I think the drug was meant to be taken in accoprdance with some Shamanic rites that had to do with astrological timing.

[amercury]

I have used this method of birth control for six years and it has worked every time. You calculate the number of degrees between the moon and the sun in your birth chart, and then every month, abstain from risky behavior when the moon is the same number of degrees away from the sun.

For instance, my sun sign is at 1 degree Leo and my Moon sign is at 13 degrees Libra. This month, my time to conceive will be when the moon is 72 degrees in front of the sun (Since the sun is in Cancer, the moon will be in Virgo during my fertile period). SInce I am not ready to have a baby, I will abstain from sex for 2 or 3 days before that time, since sperm can live for that long.

If you are trying to conceive, you can even control the sex of the baby by conceiving during months when the moon is in a masculine or feminine sign. For example, since my conception time this month falls on a day when the moon is in Virgo (a feminine sign), I would have a girl.

Good luck. I can guarantee that this works! ;)

Hey maat...it is cool to get info from someone who actually uses this method.

It just amazes me that we are taught to believe we don't have much control over reproduction.
Every man and woman should have this information!!

[amercury]

How can the sperm which determines the sex be controlled by these forces?:confused:

:)Well the scientists haven't figured it out yet:)

[amercury]

What an offer! :D Why, Miss Amercury, I hardly know you!:eek::D

Seriously though, I've always had my doubts that the conventional pill, condoms etc were the only methods. I read a book a few years ago called The Creative Vacuum I'll check my sheves to see if it's still there. In one of the chapters, the authors report that a man who brought back a very effective herbal contraceptive drug from the Amazon was threatened by the pharmaceitical companies, and I mean death threats! I think the drug was meant to be taken in accoprdance with some Shamanic rites that had to do with astrological timing.


Ha Ha Hagbard:D
Leave it to a writer to try to mess with my semantics:eek:

I'll have to check out The Creative Vacuum. I don't doubt it in the least that the evil pharm companies shut down anything that would give us control of our bodies and health.
Just think how this info could change the world...

[drael]

You cant beleive how annoying it is to have sex on a schedule, and many of the days fall on the womans period, so it only leaves like a week or so out of a month. In practice, its got its ups and downs.

That said, other methods of contraception arent to hot anyway. It does seem very natural or enlightened somehow, it lets the man in on his partners cycles.

[astral_girl]

Hi, your post is particularly interesting to me as my partner and I are trying to conceive :)

How do you calculate the point in the month to 'go for it'? I mean, I know that its the time when the sun and moon are the same degrees apart, but how do I calculate that? Any help you can give here is appreciated :)

If it's any help, following are her birth details:
Tanya, 8th March 1974 51.51N 0.36E
We can't find out the time tho.

I can honestly say that I never expected my first post here to involve conception!

i always been told if you take the last day of your period-like the back end-the last day your on-and add on 14 days from that point -THAT this is the best time to try to conceive-this worked with my second child.....i also read about both partners having the same body temp at the same time and that this increases the chances :D

[maat]

How can the sperm which determines the sex be controlled by these forces?:confused:

I think that the sign that the moon has an effect on sperm. If the moon is in a masculine sign, then it will give the sperm carrying the y chromosome more of an energetic charge.

That is my theory, anyway.

[maat]

Hey maat...it is cool to get info from someone who actually uses this method.

It just amazes me that we are taught to believe we don't have much control over reproduction.
Every man and woman should have this information!!

I agree! Unfortunatel, though, most people are too programmed to open themselves up to this information. Until scientific studies are done to *prove* this, most people are probably not going to accept it. My husband and I LOVE that we know this secret. It makes our sex lives much more hassle free, and we feel much more empowered and in control of our reproduction.

[celtic isis]

Yep...astrology.


According to Linda Goodman in her book Love Signs:

“A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing” ( Ecclesiastes3:1-5), concerns a specific knowledge possessed and suppressed by the Temple High Priests during the time of Jesus.

“There is a way of controlling birth that is not harmful to health, is both religiously and aesthetically acceptable, costs nothing and is 100% dependable”

“As the ancients who planned the conception of Kings knew well, a woman can conceive only during a certain approximately two hour period of each Lunar month, when the Sun and the Moon are exactly the same number of degrees apart as they were at the moment of the woman’s first breath at birth”

The woman doesn’t even need to know the hour of birth, just the correct month, day and year. Each month calculate the day where the Sun and Moon are the same degrees apart as they are at birth, and add a day or two as a safety margin on either side of the day the fertile two hours falls. (sperm can stay alive and fertilize an egg for a day or two) One only needs to refrain from “embracing” about 5 days out of the month.

However if you are trying to conceive it is best to know the exact time of birth to calculate the two hour fertile period.

Linda Goodman calls this ‘astrobiology’ and states that it “has been meticulously researched in scientifically controlled tests with thousands of women”

Wouldn’t it be awesome if there was no abortion or unwanted babies???

I had a child four years ago. I had read about this before getting pregnant but never used it as a form of birth control. Right after I found out I was pregnant I knew I wanted to put this to the test. I knew for sure within a three day period of when I conceived, so I calculated my natal chart and looked at the position of the sun and moon over those three days in which I conceived. Lo and behold the distance of degrees matched my natal distance between sun and moon during those three days.

I am a believer….does anyone else want to put it to the test??? :D:eek::)

that is AWESOME stuff! thanks for posting amercury :)

what a beautiful and poetic form of contraception - to embrace or not to embrace :)

would love to give it a try but if it failed i'd be fooked lol

It makes sense seeing as us females are ruled by the moon and it dictates our menstrual cycles...i wish i knew more about this.

my fav part:


“As the ancients who planned the conception of Kings knew well, a woman can conceive only during a certain approximately two hour period of each Lunar month, when the Sun and the Moon are exactly the same number of degrees apart as they were at the moment of the woman’s first breath at birth”

[amercury]

I have used this method of birth control for six years and it has worked every time. You calculate the number of degrees between the moon and the sun in your birth chart, and then every month, abstain from risky behavior when the moon is the same number of degrees away from the sun.

For instance, my sun sign is at 1 degree Leo and my Moon sign is at 13 degrees Libra. This month, my time to conceive will be when the moon is 72 degrees in front of the sun (Since the sun is in Cancer, the moon will be in Virgo during my fertile period). SInce I am not ready to have a baby, I will abstain from sex for 2 or 3 days before that time, since sperm can live for that long.

If you are trying to conceive, you can even control the sex of the baby by conceiving during months when the moon is in a masculine or feminine sign. For example, since my conception time this month falls on a day when the moon is in Virgo (a feminine sign), I would have a girl.

Good luck. I can guarantee that this works! ;)


Yes that does work too...the moon was in Capricorn (a feminine sign) when I conceived and I have a little girl.
Awesome isn't it!!

[amercury]

You cant beleive how annoying it is to have sex on a schedule, and many of the days fall on the womans period, so it only leaves like a week or so out of a month. In practice, its got its ups and downs.

That said, other methods of contraception arent to hot anyway. It does seem very natural or enlightened somehow, it lets the man in on his partners cycles.


You should be able to get more than a weeks window drael....you only need to abstain for a few days around the fertile period and then the average menstrual cycle is around 7 days.
Maybe it just seems like you only get a week out of the month, since you guys are thinking about it 24/7 lol:D

[amercury]

that is AWESOME stuff! thanks for posting amercury :)

what a beautiful and poetic form of contraception - to embrace or not to embrace :)

would love to give it a try but if it failed i'd be fooked lol

It makes sense seeing as us females are ruled by the moon and it dictates our menstrual cycles...i wish i knew more about this.

my fav part:

Hey Celtic Isis, I know what you mean.
When I was younger I was always too scared to try this method. But it just shows you how stuck in our belief systems we are. I believed that only a pill or condom that 'they' gave me would be really effective, and that I really didn't have control over my body and reproduction.


But now I have replaced that belief with this new one:) I know it works.
You just have to believe:D

I would actually like to find out more about it too. The only time I have ever come across this info was in Linda Goodman's book, which is about 30 years old. I have looked for it elsewhere, but have never found anything on it.
Suppressed!! lol.....maybe someone else knows another source for the info???

[amercury]

Hey Alzee!!!

I have done some calculating. Since you are not 100% sure about the time, I just figured out the day that the sun and moon would be at the same distance from birth.

But just a little info first:

At birth your partner's sun and moon are 187 degrees apart, an exact oppostion would be 180 degrees. The fact that there is a close opposition makes it easy for you to figure out a fertile period. Basically whenever the moon is in the opposite sign of the sun each month is when you should go for it.:D

Sun in Aries-----moon should be in opposite sign of libra (masculine)
Sun in Taurus---------------------opposite sign---scorpio (feminine)
Sun in Gemini--------------------- opposite sign---sagittarius (masculine)
Sun in Cancer---------------------opposite sign----capricorn (feminine)
Sun in Leo------------------------opposite sign----aquarius (masculine)
Sun in Virgo-----------------------opposite sign---pisces (feminine)
Sun in Libra-----------------------opposite sign---aries (masculine)
Sun in Scorpio---------------------opposite sign---taurus (feminine)
Sun in Sagittarius-----------------opposite sign---gemini (masculine)
Sun in Capricorn-------------------opposite sign----cancer (feminine)
sun in Aquarius--------------------oppostie sign----leo (masculine)
Sun in Pisces----------------------opposite sign----virgo (feminine)

Purchasing a simple astrological pocket calendar, will tell you what sign the sun and moon are in each day.

Anyway...so I calculated until the end of the year using this ephemeris GMT time:
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/jan2008gmt.shtml


July fertile period will be the 18th-19th (moon in feminine sign)
August fertile period will be the 17th-18th (moon in masculine sign)
September fertile period will be the 15th-16th (moon in feminine sign)
October fertile period will be the 15th-16th (moon in masculine sign)
November fertile period will be the 13th-14th (moon in feminine sign)
December fertile period will be the 13th-14th (moon in masculine sign)

If I were you, I would be active a day before and after to cover any mistakes in birth time or calculations:)
Do let us know when you succeed:D
feel free to pm me if need be.

[alzee]

Thanks amercury, we'll let you know how it pans out :)

[2013]

Hey Celtic Isis, I know what you mean.
When I was younger I was always too scared to try this method. But it just shows you how stuck in our belief systems we are. I believed that only a pill or condom that 'they' gave me would be really effective, and that I really didn't have control over my body and reproduction.


But now I have replaced that belief with this new one:) I know it works.
You just have to believe:D

I would actually like to find out more about it too. The only time I have ever come across this info was in Linda Goodman's book, which is about 30 years old. I have looked for it elsewhere, but have never found anything on it.
Suppressed!! lol.....maybe someone else knows another source for the info???

didnt linda goodman go missing or was it her daughter ? perhaps this has something to do with it .They dont want this knowledge becoming widespread :D

[amercury]

didnt linda goodman go missing or was it her daughter ? perhaps this has something to do with it .They dont want this knowledge becoming widespread :D

Oh yes, it was her daughter,I had forgotten about that...and there are many mysteries surrounding her disappearance. Right before her daughter disappeared, Linda Goodman recieved death threats about her children when she was getting involved with something about Watergate! Her daughter's name was Sally Snyder.

In "Love Signs" where I found this information about birth control, Linda writes that she is soon going to put out a book about this information.
The book never came out, and I can't find any other information about it from her!!



Excerpts from: “Spider Line – Linda’s Goodman’s Search for Sally”

1. “Sally disappeared after threats against her children’s lives were received by Linda Goodman wile she was investigating the boat called “Star Quest”, involved with Watergate and many other nefarious activities under President Richard Nixon.”
2. “There is excellent cause to believe that Sally is alive, and that the book’s revelations of the circumstances causing Sally’s involuntary disappearance.”
3. While Linda was writing a series of articles for McCall’s Magazine, Linda and the Senior Editor, Dalma Heyn, choose the name “Spider Line” for the book. The choice was easy since Dr. Angel (for many years Curator of Physical anthropology for the Smithsonian Institute) told Linda “that in all his years as curator in all thousands, even millions of faces he had studied, he had never once come across the particular “mark” that has appeared in every photograph of Sally, including those taken as a child and blown up.” That mark looked like a Spider Line. The other reason “Spider Line” was a great choice was because it suggests the intricate cobweb of conspiracy Linda came across in her search for Sally!
4. Spring of 1973, Sally then 20 years old, graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, in New York, where she won the “Best Actress” award, presented by Richard Rodgers and Helen Hayes. Within a few weeks Sally was off to begin her career with her new stage name that Linda had suggested because it was a family surname – Sarah Stratton. Sally was hired to play an ingénue leading lady to the Hackmatack Playhouse, a summer theatre in Berwick, Maine.
5. All the letters Sally wrote to Linda and her stepfather Sam “were filled with news, overflowing with optimism of five plays that would begin in late June and end just after Labor Day.”
6. Sally returned to New York and took temporary residence with the family of Peter Miner, her former director at the Academy. “Linda’s royalties had not been paid, and Linda couldn’t assist Sally financially as she desired, which greatly distressed Linda.”
7. The police were called “on December 9, 1973, to an apartment because friends of Sally who had stopped by to visit Sally, and had noticed a peculiar and unpleasant odor emanating from Apartment 6 B.
8. Address where Sally’s supposed dead body was allegedly found in a dilapidated New York apartment: West 176th Street, Apartment 6 B, New York

Now starts the clues of a Mystery:

1. Police found the remains of a decomposed body of a young female. Nearby, was an 8 page handwritten note, dated December 4th, describing great depression. One autopsy stated death was six days ago. However, other forensic pathologists, after careful study of the autopsy report, later stated that a “partially mummified” body would have to have been dead for a minimum of 3-4 weeks.
2. The autopsy report further stated “that the girl (dead body recovered from the apartment) had drunk a vast quantity of liquor in hours prior to her death, though death itself, the report stated, was a result of a massive overdose of barbiturates. The official verdict: Suicide.”
3. December 10th, Sally’s birthday, “Sam Goodman was called to the morgue to identify the body as his stepdaughter, Sally Snyder. He was accompanied by Aaron Goldblatt, an old family friend. The body of the young lady was wrapped in a distinctive quilt-comforter, rose colored, which had been a gift to Sally from Linda. A powerful “non-verbal cue”, strictly forbidden by morgue regulations, though Sam had no way of knowing that at that time.” I don’t know about any of you, however, any time I’ve seen a body at the morgue they are on the pull out slab and if anything a white sheet over the face… not a blanket from the death scene! Sam was haunted by the vision he saw at the morgue. The young lady looked more like either a “West Indian woman” or “a young black woman” with dyed blonde hair. Then latter, one of the 3 police reports filed referred to the body removed from the apartment as that of a black female with red-gold hair!
4. December 21st… Sam returns to Sally’s apartment to gather her belongings (took Sam 10 days to obtain the keys to Sally’s apartment from the authorities). The visual of Sally’s apartment shocked Sam.. the police report had reported “neat, orderly rooms”…Sam witnessed “blood everywhere … crime investigator Cleve Backstar (experienced crime investigator, called the country’s foremost polygraph expert, and head of the Becker School of Lie Detection, formerly in New York) said at least 5-6 quarts of blood. The mattress was soaked in blood (bed horizontally placed against bed – see police report below)… the walls were spattered with it, there were large pools of sticky, not quite dried blood on the floor; and the telephone was coated in blood, to which a very large quantity of human hair and tissue adhered, as though the instrument had been used to bludgeon someone’s head. The fact that it was long, soft, blonde hair, approximately the same shade of Sally’s hair – to the naked eye – made it an anguishing sight for Sam (and equally so, later for Linda).” NOW listen to this! The original police report stated: “no blood, phone perfectly clean, bed in vertical position… quilt Sally was wrapped up in the morgue… was left on bed… police report stated body was placed in a morgue “body bag”.” I don’t know about all of you… but some FACTS just aren’t connecting!
5. Linda couldn’t dismiss all the inconsistencies! Could anyone dismiss these many different accounts? Also, Linda “had been searching for a very dear friend who had been missing since July 4th 1973, who had been on the boat Star Quest. Linda had alleged that her friend had been an innocent witness to some crime aboard the Star Quest that was connected with Watergate. Linda also alleged the Star Quest was a floating brothel onto which to lure political opponents, then tape and photograph them in compromising positions. Linda’s mind also streamed back to the several threats she’d received against her children’s lives while she was investigating the boat (Star Quest), the most recent threats having been made only a couple of weeks prior to the news that Sally “was dead”.” This is something Linda and I had in common… My mother’s life and my brother’s life were threatened when I was working in Washington, D.C. Linda and I knew many of the same people in the Washington area! Ironically, both Linda and I have our “Sun” located in our natal charts in the 12th House!
6. “Although Linda made repeated and insistent requests, Linda was not given a copy of the autopsy report until nearly four months after her first visit to the morgue.” When she finally received the final autopsy several facts stood out:
• The report stated the girl in the apartment had drunk herself into a stupor, then swallowed vast quantities of barbiturates (though independently retained forensic pathologists insisted the drugs had to have been injected!). Yet, no liquor, no syringes or needles, no pills, no glasses that might have held liquor, and no bottles of liquor, no bottles that might have held pills were found by the police in the apartment!! [It doesn’t take an Einstein moment to figure out.. how is someone suppose to write an eight page note.. and date the note (ha!)… drink herself stone drunk… taken vast quantities of barbiturates.. then what.. get rid of all the evidence and then die??] Question: if you had uncovered all these inconsistencies would you not be doubtful? There is more…..
• The autopsy described “the young girl as 5 foot 3 inches tall.. Weighing 130 lbs. with well developed breasts and moderately long hair – no scalp wounds or injuries” (who got hit by the phone??” For those of you who didn’t know Sally “her vital statistics taken from her medical records made shortly before she left for Berwick, Maine to act during the summer were: 5 foot 5 inches tall, 110 lbs. Small breast, and wore her naturally blonde hair cut short to her ear lobes, this is confirmed in photographs taken in October 1973, after the summer stock season.” There is still more….
• Police reports concerning removal of the body were conflicting! One police officer described a body “removed on the night of December 9, wearing two- pieced, red pajamas. The second police officer said “body as removed on the night of December 11th, dressed in a green print blouse with puffed sleeves. Then one of the physicians described the body being autopsied, on tape, as wearing a pink nightgown. So who was the body that left several pints of blood on the bed, walls… who was bludgeoned in the head with the telephone?? There is still more…
• The book at the morgue… “When Sam Goodman and Goldblatt approached the receptionist upon their arrival at the morgue, and informed the clerk they were there to identify Sally Synder, they were shown an entry book, and asked “Which Sally Synder?” The first entry: Sally Snyder – white female age 20.. West 176th then two lines below … the initial S. Synder – white female – age 21 – West 176th Street. “Sam and Aaron pointed to the first “Sally Synder” entry, puzzled, and said, “I guess that’s the one”, dazed and not knowing what to think at that point.” This entry book was seen and witnessed by 2 people a number of years later.
• Phone bill that came in after Sally’s death indicated that someone used the phone during the time after the police took the body out, and the time Sam Goodman entered the apartment. Did someone use “the blood and hair encrusted telephone to make 2 phone calls to 2 people in Berwick, Maine, both actors in the melodrama during the 1973 summer stock season” that Sally acted with. Why would calls to Sally’s friend in the summer theater occur from her apartment after her so called death? Still more…
• The blood on the bed and walls was tested… guess what NOT Sally’s blood type? Is this getting really weird by now?? “Professor Ray Neff, of Indiana State University (Toxicologist and recognized expert in pathology, from Indiana State University, formerly Coroner in New Jersey for many years) verified that the blood found in the apartment was not Sally’s blood type, and that the hair on the telephone was not Sally’s hair, compared with standards of childhood from her baby book.” Still more…
• Handwriting experts for the supposed 8 page suicide note Sally wrote… guess what…First part of the so called “suicide note and originals of letters written by Sally that summer of 1973 were said to be forgeries by one of the foremost Questioned Document experts in the country!” (Joseph Moomaw, of Colorado, a leading analyst of questioned documents for authenticity or forgery.) Oh, by the way… this suicide note disappeared from morgue files! Want more…
• David Sikes (one time government agent and investigator for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, who taught the technique of Witness Recall to the FBI. Also, a former bodyguard of 3 Presidents and Henry Kissenger, “obtained many tapes and some signed statements on paper from the actors and actresses who performed at the Hackmatack Playhouse during the summer stock season of 1973. One discusses Sally being told “her mother (Linda) would be “killed” if Sally returned to New York. All kinds of testimony alleged that when the actors worked at Carleton Guptill many where believing and alleged that the crops were being sprayed with a variant of Agent Orange called C-300. This derivative was supposedly harmless to people, was supposedly beneficial to crops, supposedly enhanced their size and speed of growth, their quality and taste. The young performers at Berwick had a regular diet of these C-300 sprayed crops.” [Just FYI… Michael Guptill it was said was appointed by the Department of Agriculture Chief Inspector of all fruits and vegetables leaving the state of Maine.] OK.. now the biggest clue….
• “The day after a body was discovered on West 176th Street, “Sally Synder” was driven to Boston, where she checked into a hotel, stayed a few days, then disappeared. The man who drove Sally there is a nephew of Watergate plumber, Martinez. He showed one of the investigators his phone bill to verify his claim that he had received a collect call from Sally from Boston AFTER the police removed the first body from her apartment!” Might want to read that paragraph again! Ok… now ready to go to Sally might still be a live clue’s….
• Linda hired Daniel Hollman (former United States Attorney, who set up for the Justice Department the New York Organized Crime Strike Force and the Government Witness Relocation Program, who worked with James Steinberg on various occasions in connection with these) & Matthew Byrne (legal counsel to the New York Police Department at the time of Sally’s disappearance and Hollman’s law partner) to research Sally’s alleged death! Are you ready? When Hollman and Byrne made a search for the file on Sally, which police witnesses declared in written statements was “more than five inches thick”, it had MYSTERIOUSLY VANISHED FROM THE DA’S OFFICE!” Ok… I’ll wait and let you re-read that sentence! Yeah, the entire file had mysteriously vanished from the DA’s office. Ok, moving right along… “Later, that same former assistant district attorney, out of office, and then in private practice in New Jersey, contacted Linda, told her he believed all she was saying, and offered his help in locating the missing Sally.” Yeah.. that’s right he wanted to help Linda find her daughter Sally! How rich is that one. “He said he would be in touch with her after he returned from a trip to Tuscon, Arizona”. (I know the spelling on Tuscon look strange, however, it’s the exact spelling in Linda’s Outline of Projected Book. ) He did not contact Linda again. More….
• “In the Spring of 1980, Linda and her investigators received a TIP that Sally was living in Tuscon, Arizona, working in a government underwritten greenhouse, where it was alleged she had undergone a nervous breakdown and had been taken to the University of Arizona hospital. When Linda and her investigators arrived several people of credibility recognized and infallibly identified photo’s of Sally, and it was learned she’d been living under a different name, in a run down house on the edge of Tuscon, with SEVERAL former students of the American Academy of Dramatic Arts!”

[2013]

Thanks for the info amercury Linda Goodman's sun signs was the first astrology book i ever bought a friend has gooberz and most of the rest of her stuff . an intriguing mystery for sure long before they became mainstream and popular :D

[celtic isis]

Hey Celtic Isis, I know what you mean.
When I was younger I was always too scared to try this method. But it just shows you how stuck in our belief systems we are. I believed that only a pill or condom that 'they' gave me would be really effective, and that I really didn't have control over my body and reproduction.


But now I have replaced that belief with this new one:) I know it works.
You just have to believe:D

I would actually like to find out more about it too. The only time I have ever come across this info was in Linda Goodman's book, which is about 30 years old. I have looked for it elsewhere, but have never found anything on it.
Suppressed!! lol.....maybe someone else knows another source for the info???

hehe you're so sweet answering everyone's replies :) respect ;) not many do that :)

i'll look out for another source on my 'travels' and if i come across anything i'll let you know. Very interesting subject this, you're right everyone should have access to this info!!!

It's yet another thread that weaves into who we are and how we relate to the cosmos, i love this stuff!!!

mind you i'm still chicken to try it! it works for you amercury?

the powers that be would rather we take toxic chemicals that F with our bodies such as the pill or even worse the patch which from personal experience certainly did my health in. :(

i will defintely look mor einto this, i did try observing my cycle on and off but it takes a year to get a good idea of what the cycle is so laziness made me give it up in the end...it's so mpuch better though when we observe our bodies, it tells us everything we need to know. You're right amercury, it's just the media etc that make us believe we can fall pregnant so easily.

[astral_girl]

Oh yes, it was her daughter,I had forgotten about that...and there are many mysteries surrounding her disappearance. Right before her daughter disappeared, Linda Goodman recieved death threats about her children when she was getting involved with something about Watergate! Her daughter's name was Sally Snyder.

In "Love Signs" where I found this information about birth control, Linda writes that she is soon going to put out a book about this information.
The book never came out, and I can't find any other information about it from her!!



Excerpts from: “Spider Line – Linda’s Goodman’s Search for Sally”

1. “Sally disappeared after threats against her children’s lives were received by Linda Goodman wile she was investigating the boat called “Star Quest”, involved with Watergate and many other nefarious activities under President Richard Nixon.”
2. “There is excellent cause to believe that Sally is alive, and that the book’s revelations of the circumstances causing Sally’s involuntary disappearance.”
3. While Linda was writing a series of articles for McCall’s Magazine, Linda and the Senior Editor, Dalma Heyn, choose the name “Spider Line” for the book. The choice was easy since Dr. Angel (for many years Curator of Physical anthropology for the Smithsonian Institute) told Linda “that in all his years as curator in all thousands, even millions of faces he had studied, he had never once come across the particular “mark” that has appeared in every photograph of Sally, including those taken as a child and blown up.” That mark looked like a Spider Line. The other reason “Spider Line” was a great choice was because it suggests the intricate cobweb of conspiracy Linda came across in her search for Sally!
4. Spring of 1973, Sally then 20 years old, graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, in New York, where she won the “Best Actress” award, presented by Richard Rodgers and Helen Hayes. Within a few weeks Sally was off to begin her career with her new stage name that Linda had suggested because it was a family surname – Sarah Stratton. Sally was hired to play an ingénue leading lady to the Hackmatack Playhouse, a summer theatre in Berwick, Maine.
5. All the letters Sally wrote to Linda and her stepfather Sam “were filled with news, overflowing with optimism of five plays that would begin in late June and end just after Labor Day.”
6. Sally returned to New York and took temporary residence with the family of Peter Miner, her former director at the Academy. “Linda’s royalties had not been paid, and Linda couldn’t assist Sally financially as she desired, which greatly distressed Linda.”
7. The police were called “on December 9, 1973, to an apartment because friends of Sally who had stopped by to visit Sally, and had noticed a peculiar and unpleasant odor emanating from Apartment 6 B.
8. Address where Sally’s supposed dead body was allegedly found in a dilapidated New York apartment: West 176th Street, Apartment 6 B, New York

Now starts the clues of a Mystery:

1. Police found the remains of a decomposed body of a young female. Nearby, was an 8 page handwritten note, dated December 4th, describing great depression. One autopsy stated death was six days ago. However, other forensic pathologists, after careful study of the autopsy report, later stated that a “partially mummified” body would have to have been dead for a minimum of 3-4 weeks.
2. The autopsy report further stated “that the girl (dead body recovered from the apartment) had drunk a vast quantity of liquor in hours prior to her death, though death itself, the report stated, was a result of a massive overdose of barbiturates. The official verdict: Suicide.”
3. December 10th, Sally’s birthday, “Sam Goodman was called to the morgue to identify the body as his stepdaughter, Sally Snyder. He was accompanied by Aaron Goldblatt, an old family friend. The body of the young lady was wrapped in a distinctive quilt-comforter, rose colored, which had been a gift to Sally from Linda. A powerful “non-verbal cue”, strictly forbidden by morgue regulations, though Sam had no way of knowing that at that time.” I don’t know about any of you, however, any time I’ve seen a body at the morgue they are on the pull out slab and if anything a white sheet over the face… not a blanket from the death scene! Sam was haunted by the vision he saw at the morgue. The young lady looked more like either a “West Indian woman” or “a young black woman” with dyed blonde hair. Then latter, one of the 3 police reports filed referred to the body removed from the apartment as that of a black female with red-gold hair!
4. December 21st… Sam returns to Sally’s apartment to gather her belongings (took Sam 10 days to obtain the keys to Sally’s apartment from the authorities). The visual of Sally’s apartment shocked Sam.. the police report had reported “neat, orderly rooms”…Sam witnessed “blood everywhere … crime investigator Cleve Backstar (experienced crime investigator, called the country’s foremost polygraph expert, and head of the Becker School of Lie Detection, formerly in New York) said at least 5-6 quarts of blood. The mattress was soaked in blood (bed horizontally placed against bed – see police report below)… the walls were spattered with it, there were large pools of sticky, not quite dried blood on the floor; and the telephone was coated in blood, to which a very large quantity of human hair and tissue adhered, as though the instrument had been used to bludgeon someone’s head. The fact that it was long, soft, blonde hair, approximately the same shade of Sally’s hair – to the naked eye – made it an anguishing sight for Sam (and equally so, later for Linda).” NOW listen to this! The original police report stated: “no blood, phone perfectly clean, bed in vertical position… quilt Sally was wrapped up in the morgue… was left on bed… police report stated body was placed in a morgue “body bag”.” I don’t know about all of you… but some FACTS just aren’t connecting!
5. Linda couldn’t dismiss all the inconsistencies! Could anyone dismiss these many different accounts? Also, Linda “had been searching for a very dear friend who had been missing since July 4th 1973, who had been on the boat Star Quest. Linda had alleged that her friend had been an innocent witness to some crime aboard the Star Quest that was connected with Watergate. Linda also alleged the Star Quest was a floating brothel onto which to lure political opponents, then tape and photograph them in compromising positions. Linda’s mind also streamed back to the several threats she’d received against her children’s lives while she was investigating the boat (Star Quest), the most recent threats having been made only a couple of weeks prior to the news that Sally “was dead”.” This is something Linda and I had in common… My mother’s life and my brother’s life were threatened when I was working in Washington, D.C. Linda and I knew many of the same people in the Washington area! Ironically, both Linda and I have our “Sun” located in our natal charts in the 12th House!
6. “Although Linda made repeated and insistent requests, Linda was not given a copy of the autopsy report until nearly four months after her first visit to the morgue.” When she finally received the final autopsy several facts stood out:
• The report stated the girl in the apartment had drunk herself into a stupor, then swallowed vast quantities of barbiturates (though independently retained forensic pathologists insisted the drugs had to have been injected!). Yet, no liquor, no syringes or needles, no pills, no glasses that might have held liquor, and no bottles of liquor, no bottles that might have held pills were found by the police in the apartment!! [It doesn’t take an Einstein moment to figure out.. how is someone suppose to write an eight page note.. and date the note (ha!)… drink herself stone drunk… taken vast quantities of barbiturates.. then what.. get rid of all the evidence and then die??] Question: if you had uncovered all these inconsistencies would you not be doubtful? There is more…..
• The autopsy described “the young girl as 5 foot 3 inches tall.. Weighing 130 lbs. with well developed breasts and moderately long hair – no scalp wounds or injuries” (who got hit by the phone??” For those of you who didn’t know Sally “her vital statistics taken from her medical records made shortly before she left for Berwick, Maine to act during the summer were: 5 foot 5 inches tall, 110 lbs. Small breast, and wore her naturally blonde hair cut short to her ear lobes, this is confirmed in photographs taken in October 1973, after the summer stock season.” There is still more….
• Police reports concerning removal of the body were conflicting! One police officer described a body “removed on the night of December 9, wearing two- pieced, red pajamas. The second police officer said “body as removed on the night of December 11th, dressed in a green print blouse with puffed sleeves. Then one of the physicians described the body being autopsied, on tape, as wearing a pink nightgown. So who was the body that left several pints of blood on the bed, walls… who was bludgeoned in the head with the telephone?? There is still more…
• The book at the morgue… “When Sam Goodman and Goldblatt approached the receptionist upon their arrival at the morgue, and informed the clerk they were there to identify Sally Synder, they were shown an entry book, and asked “Which Sally Synder?” The first entry: Sally Snyder – white female age 20.. West 176th then two lines below … the initial S. Synder – white female – age 21 – West 176th Street. “Sam and Aaron pointed to the first “Sally Synder” entry, puzzled, and said, “I guess that’s the one”, dazed and not knowing what to think at that point.” This entry book was seen and witnessed by 2 people a number of years later.
• Phone bill that came in after Sally’s death indicated that someone used the phone during the time after the police took the body out, and the time Sam Goodman entered the apartment. Did someone use “the blood and hair encrusted telephone to make 2 phone calls to 2 people in Berwick, Maine, both actors in the melodrama during the 1973 summer stock season” that Sally acted with. Why would calls to Sally’s friend in the summer theater occur from her apartment after her so called death? Still more…
• The blood on the bed and walls was tested… guess what NOT Sally’s blood type? Is this getting really weird by now?? “Professor Ray Neff, of Indiana State University (Toxicologist and recognized expert in pathology, from Indiana State University, formerly Coroner in New Jersey for many years) verified that the blood found in the apartment was not Sally’s blood type, and that the hair on the telephone was not Sally’s hair, compared with standards of childhood from her baby book.” Still more…
• Handwriting experts for the supposed 8 page suicide note Sally wrote… guess what…First part of the so called “suicide note and originals of letters written by Sally that summer of 1973 were said to be forgeries by one of the foremost Questioned Document experts in the country!” (Joseph Moomaw, of Colorado, a leading analyst of questioned documents for authenticity or forgery.) Oh, by the way… this suicide note disappeared from morgue files! Want more…
• David Sikes (one time government agent and investigator for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, who taught the technique of Witness Recall to the FBI. Also, a former bodyguard of 3 Presidents and Henry Kissenger, “obtained many tapes and some signed statements on paper from the actors and actresses who performed at the Hackmatack Playhouse during the summer stock season of 1973. One discusses Sally being told “her mother (Linda) would be “killed” if Sally returned to New York. All kinds of testimony alleged that when the actors worked at Carleton Guptill many where believing and alleged that the crops were being sprayed with a variant of Agent Orange called C-300. This derivative was supposedly harmless to people, was supposedly beneficial to crops, supposedly enhanced their size and speed of growth, their quality and taste. The young performers at Berwick had a regular diet of these C-300 sprayed crops.” [Just FYI… Michael Guptill it was said was appointed by the Department of Agriculture Chief Inspector of all fruits and vegetables leaving the state of Maine.] OK.. now the biggest clue….
• “The day after a body was discovered on West 176th Street, “Sally Synder” was driven to Boston, where she checked into a hotel, stayed a few days, then disappeared. The man who drove Sally there is a nephew of Watergate plumber, Martinez. He showed one of the investigators his phone bill to verify his claim that he had received a collect call from Sally from Boston AFTER the police removed the first body from her apartment!” Might want to read that paragraph again! Ok… now ready to go to Sally might still be a live clue’s….
• Linda hired Daniel Hollman (former United States Attorney, who set up for the Justice Department the New York Organized Crime Strike Force and the Government Witness Relocation Program, who worked with James Steinberg on various occasions in connection with these) & Matthew Byrne (legal counsel to the New York Police Department at the time of Sally’s disappearance and Hollman’s law partner) to research Sally’s alleged death! Are you ready? When Hollman and Byrne made a search for the file on Sally, which police witnesses declared in written statements was “more than five inches thick”, it had MYSTERIOUSLY VANISHED FROM THE DA’S OFFICE!” Ok… I’ll wait and let you re-read that sentence! Yeah, the entire file had mysteriously vanished from the DA’s office. Ok, moving right along… “Later, that same former assistant district attorney, out of office, and then in private practice in New Jersey, contacted Linda, told her he believed all she was saying, and offered his help in locating the missing Sally.” Yeah.. that’s right he wanted to help Linda find her daughter Sally! How rich is that one. “He said he would be in touch with her after he returned from a trip to Tuscon, Arizona”. (I know the spelling on Tuscon look strange, however, it’s the exact spelling in Linda’s Outline of Projected Book. ) He did not contact Linda again. More….
• “In the Spring of 1980, Linda and her investigators received a TIP that Sally was living in Tuscon, Arizona, working in a government underwritten greenhouse, where it was alleged she had undergone a nervous breakdown and had been taken to the University of Arizona hospital. When Linda and her investigators arrived several people of credibility recognized and infallibly identified photo’s of Sally, and it was learned she’d been living under a different name, in a run down house on the edge of Tuscon, with SEVERAL former students of the American Academy of Dramatic Arts!”

very interesting-i never knew about all this

[talkingchimp]

Yep...astrology.


According to Linda Goodman in her book Love Signs:

“A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing” ( Ecclesiastes3:1-5), concerns a specific knowledge possessed and suppressed by the Temple High Priests during the time of Jesus.

“There is a way of controlling birth that is not harmful to health, is both religiously and aesthetically acceptable, costs nothing and is 100% dependable”

“As the ancients who planned the conception of Kings knew well, a woman can conceive only during a certain approximately two hour period of each Lunar month, when the Sun and the Moon are exactly the same number of degrees apart as they were at the moment of the woman’s first breath at birth”

The woman doesn’t even need to know the hour of birth, just the correct month, day and year. Each month calculate the day where the Sun and Moon are the same degrees apart as they are at birth, and add a day or two as a safety margin on either side of the day the fertile two hours falls. (sperm can stay alive and fertilize an egg for a day or two) One only needs to refrain from “embracing” about 5 days out of the month.

However if you are trying to conceive it is best to know the exact time of birth to calculate the two hour fertile period.

Linda Goodman calls this ‘astrobiology’ and states that it “has been meticulously researched in scientifically controlled tests with thousands of women”

Wouldn’t it be awesome if there was no abortion or unwanted babies???

I had a child four years ago. I had read about this before getting pregnant but never used it as a form of birth control. Right after I found out I was pregnant I knew I wanted to put this to the test. I knew for sure within a three day period of when I conceived, so I calculated my natal chart and looked at the position of the sun and moon over those three days in which I conceived. Lo and behold the distance of degrees matched my natal distance between sun and moon during those three days.

I am a believer….does anyone else want to put it to the test??? :D:eek::)

new age bilge

[amercury]

hehe you're so sweet answering everyone's replies :) respect ;) not many do that :)

i'll look out for another source on my 'travels' and if i come across anything i'll let you know. Very interesting subject this, you're right everyone should have access to this info!!!

It's yet another thread that weaves into who we are and how we relate to the cosmos, i love this stuff!!!

mind you i'm still chicken to try it! it works for you amercury?

the powers that be would rather we take toxic chemicals that F with our bodies such as the pill or even worse the patch which from personal experience certainly did my health in. :(

i will defintely look mor einto this, i did try observing my cycle on and off but it takes a year to get a good idea of what the cycle is so laziness made me give it up in the end...it's so mpuch better though when we observe our bodies, it tells us everything we need to know. You're right amercury, it's just the media etc that make us believe we can fall pregnant so easily.

ha ha...I started the thread so I feel the responsiblility to comment often..:D lol

Yes this method has worked for me...I am single now so don't need it at the mo :(

I don't have an astrology program on my computer, but I downloaded this free astroclock http://www.alphee.com/air_programs/astroclock.htm

It is cool because you can just see where all the planets are at any moment of the day. It is interesting to be aware of their positions while observing our own bodies and cycles.

peace:)

[amercury]

very interesting-i never knew about all this


It is crazy isn't it. :eek: I hadn't heard all of those details about Linda Goodman's daughter either until 2013 brought it up and prompted me to check into it again.
He also suggested I open a new thread about it. I think I will. Maybe some other people have more info on it.

[amercury]

new age bilge

I don't know what bilge is but it doesn't sound good:p

This is birth control of the ANCIENTS....yes the info came out again at the start of the new age movement, but that doesn't make it new age.

[amercury]

So I've found a few other women on a different forum who use this method as birth control. They all say it has worked perfectly for them. yay!

However a few of them have warned that if someone is on the pill or other types of birth control that might disrupt a woman's natural cycle, it could take awhile (maybe over a year) to get the body back to its natural cycle to work well with this type of birth control. Just thought I'd put that info out there.

I used this method for a short while after my daughter was born. It worked well, but for a few years prior, I hadn't used any kind of birth control that would interrupt my natural cycle. I also didn't think I used it long enough to definitively say it really works, that is why I am looking for more women who have tried it.:)

[biblegirl]

I don't know the first thing about the sun and moon signs at all, but I'm interested in NOT getting pregnant without having to use artificial means. Would you mind helping me figure it out? Thank you. :)

[eyepod]

would love to give it a try but if it failed i'd be fooked lol



Technically speaking if you tried this method out and it worked you'd still have to be fooked :p