Large Hadron Collider

[phonicboom]

Celebrations Over £5bn Big Bang

5 billion swindle!! they want people to believe in a beginning so they fear and end.. When, in-fact, by having no finite self the universe (and that is us) is infinite :)

[moonshine]

5 billion swindle!! they want people to believe in a beginning so they fear and end.. When, in-fact, by having no finite self the universe (and that is us) is infinite :)

Absolutely! I take most of what i read in the media with a pinch of salt.

Fear is the main tool to control.

[duckingdafta]

ignoring the actual possibilities out of this experiment, whilst the whole world is in crisis over fuel, food and other resources... and many struggle to pay bills, a bunch of scientist, who always complain about lack of funds, spend over 4billion so they MIGHT possibly measure a trillionth of a second to possibly find something they don't quite know what they're looking for unless they find something.

so there isn't an economic crisis at all and anything in the form of charging you for your life can now be forwarded on for them to pay.. if they play god with having the right to do as they wish with this planet and even remotely put humans at risk as if to own us, pay for it.

maybe an idea to try and force our lives onto them as they are the responsible ones.. but make sure it is every aspect of your life from bills to mental health issues.. if they already think they are in control, show them they are in FULL control by forwarding every letter, bill, query you get as in not having a brain and needing outside care.


I did have a weird dream last night, sounds like I might be giving in.. I'm not, it's the opposite.

[moonshine]

maybe an idea to try and force our lives onto them as they are the responsible ones.. but make sure it is every aspect of your life from bills to mental health issues.. if they already think they are in control, show them they are in FULL control by forwarding every letter, bill, query you get as in not having a brain and needing outside care.




LOL! That isn't actually a bad idea, that would drive them mad.:eek::D


I did have a weird dream last night, sounds like I might be giving in.. I'm not, it's the opposite.

What was your dream?

[tracker]

I'm not sure if any of what I say here will be relevant , so just please take this as general comments for relation to the thread subject .

Not knowing my self , but knowing the mentality of those behind the big magnet , waisting billions on a project , to collide something that we cannot see , against something that we cannot see , to see what happens is obviously going to take years to decipher .:rolleyes: :confused:

I would not be surprised to see Europe's weather get worse , due to the affects of the magnet and magnetic effects on water , so don't be alarmed if Europe sees more bad wet weather .:rolleyes:
I was also surprised to hear that "they" didn't actually fully know what would happen , ( technically meaning ) that in the events of a bad miss hap' no counter measure could be taken .
This also then brings us to the earths magnetic field and the affects it will have on our earth .
In some way , although not entirely , it could stand as a theory for preparing us for the solar crossing of the galactic plane , where theorists postulate that earth may have a polar reversal and this experiment is a mere drop in the ocean to the other abilities of these machines .
IE ; an attempt to stop polar reversal .

But don't take my word for it , these were just thoughts based on many different types of reasoning , even if some of them seem far fetched. :cool:

But again these guys were insinuating that a black hole could be created during the experiment . :eek:
Well yes its a small one , but since black holes do not conform the the theory of "relativity" and also , do not stand to the theory of space time , they may have forgotten that in side a black hole, space time may not exist , so to insinuate that it would only exist for a minimal time , is silly :confused:
and since black holes feed on everything , mass , light , and also collects more gravity the more it consumes , these idiots must have the prize for the big idiot status .:p

But then ? if worm holes and black holes can be created , and the events of 2012 are not so far away , and that along with other conspiracy theories of time travel , sent back to the ancients , to warn us of the future , it could then stand as a theory that this test is the one that ends up as us in to the time loop .

Only thoughts guys , take it easy i am a virgin here .:D

[duckingdafta]

LOL! That isn't actually a bad idea, that would drive them mad.:eek::D




What was your dream?

I'm not an image dreamer as such.. in other words I don't see pictures in my head other than glimpses..so briefly..
It was like a dream scene from terminator (the first one when kyle falls asleep in a car just after getting to this time scale).. the only difference was some machines worked better than their programming had allowed for and knew the value of human life ..supported with new technologies and exoskeletons, this LHC was the switching on of a time machine. the reason we cannot use this time machine is because we can only travel to the time it was switched on... so if in 4 years time for instance (as a big false build up to 2012). should things go wrong, they can return to yesterday when they switched it on and start again.

[cyberdaemon]

They originally said "October to Novemeber" for the initial low-power collisions, but look! They're in a rush!:eek: They're almost back to Point 1 already! They've reached Atlas now!

Let me ask you a question : If these "illuminati" want to destroy earth with that gothenbaure... damn whatever tactics , then why not to use these thousands of nukes stationed in USA , India , Russia etc... instead ?

[tracker]

using nukes would kill their food stock , contaminate their food , and probarly wipe them out too .Not only that , one would have to ask why te illuminate came here , could their own world have been doomed to come here ?

Nukes is not a good plan for keeping slaves .

just a freindly comment.

speculation i suppose :D

[shaolin_sinz]

scientists across the world are jacking off over this experiment its a shame they cant cure world poverty or problems we have generally before dealing with this but as we know the reality is the world is how it is by design and seeing as the Big bang theory is complete bullshit i am interested as to the alterior motive for this machine.

[darketernal]

Well this experiment did not destroy the world as predicted.... big surprise there. :rolleyes:

[hold_that_thought]

Well this experiment did not destroy the world as predicted.... big surprise there. :rolleyes:

Oh please!! Didn't the earth move for you? :rolleyes:...Awaits rebukes and spluttering excuses from those who predicted the planets demise....

[hold_that_thought]

scientists across the world are jacking off over this experiment its a shame they cant cure world poverty or problems we have generally before dealing with this but as we know the reality is the world is how it is by design and seeing as the Big bang theory is complete bullshit i am interested as to the alterior motive for this machine.

I think you mean ulterior? Basis for formulating your argument my friend.:D

[dangermouse]

using nukes would kill their food stock , contaminate their food , and probarly wipe them out too .Not only that , one would have to ask why te illuminate came here , could their own world have been doomed to come here ?

Nukes is not a good plan for keeping slaves .

just a freindly comment.

speculation i suppose :D

I suppose you havent seen the Doomsday seed vault then ..

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529

[bendelapidate]

Really and truly, the international effort and funding in this machine shows at least a positive way for the globe to cooperate. The research is only setting out to prove what is already a theory. What we actually do with the discovery once we know it's possible, is another question. Discovery and proof of a scientific theorem is one thing but harnessing it for something useful is quite another. I would give the analogy of davinci and his helicopter design. It was perfectly possibly theoretically, but it wouldn't be for several hundred years of other developments in science and energy before his invention became viable. The same goes for new particles. You can prove they exist by creating them in colliders, but how do you apply them to do useful things? Electrons were theorised and then discovered but a relatively long time elapsed between their discovery and their use as power that could be distributed widely to change our lives. These new high energy particles will no doubt find practical uses one day, but a whole lot of other things must be fitted into the jigsaw first - such as fusion power to generate sufficient energy to make the more exotic particles. Time will tell.

[seercirra]

using nukes would kill their food stock , contaminate their food , and probarly wipe them out too .Not only that , one would have to ask why te illuminate came here , could their own world have been doomed to come here ?

Nukes is not a good plan for keeping slaves .

just a freindly comment.

speculation i suppose :D

neutron bombs are though

[tracker]

dangemouse ?
yes ive seen the dooms day seed vault .
there are more vaults than that .
art
machines

and more besides including clothes etc .
there are vaults for many things .

the seed thing is old news .

[tracker]

seecirra .

good point there . neutron explosions , good point , kills living things and not buildings
good thinking

can we use it ?:D

[tracker]

getting to the point though , wouldnt a

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stuck get .:cool:





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:confused:

[baron von lotsov]

Really and truly, the international effort and funding in this machine shows at least a positive way for the globe to cooperate. The research is only setting out to prove what is already a theory. What we actually do with the discovery once we know it's possible, is another question. Discovery and proof of a scientific theorem is one thing but harnessing it for something useful is quite another. I would give the analogy of davinci and his helicopter design. It was perfectly possibly theoretically, but it wouldn't be for several hundred years of other developments in science and energy before his invention became viable. The same goes for new particles. You can prove they exist by creating them in colliders, but how do you apply them to do useful things? Electrons were theorised and then discovered but a relatively long time elapsed between their discovery and their use as power that could be distributed widely to change our lives. These new high energy particles will no doubt find practical uses one day, but a whole lot of other things must be fitted into the jigsaw first - such as fusion power to generate sufficient energy to make the more exotic particles. Time will tell.


Exactly and if it wasn't for those physicists your computers would never have worked. They rely on quantum effects, and increasingly more so as they get smaller and smaller.

[notthisshitagain]

Yeh coz thats well clever, AAARRRGH I'm gonna die, so kill myself! Er get real!

Hahaha well said :P

[mrkoom]

Does anyone really believe that there's a Large Hadron Collider underneath CERN in Switzerland? A device that many scientists think is IMPOSSIBLE to build? The only proof we have that ANYTHING is happening deep under CERN is some flickering lines on a computer monitor. That's the easiest thing in the world to fake. WAKE UP. Even the most tacit PSR scenario doesn't require that you actually BUILD the LHC – it's impossible to do anyway – just that you say you've built one. Delaying by two years because of a "technical problem" was a genius move because it gives the fake project more credibility!!!!!! There is no LHC. There will be no Black Holes. Just rumours of proton collisions and rumours of black holes – that will be enough to serve ILLUMINATI needs!

[rixxmixxhell]

Does anyone really believe that there's a Large Hadron Collider underneath CERN in Switzerland? A device that many scientists think is IMPOSSIBLE to build? The only proof we have that ANYTHING is happening deep under CERN is some flickering lines on a computer monitor. That's the easiest thing in the world to fake. WAKE UP. Even the most tacit PSR scenario doesn't require that you actually BUILD the LHC – it's impossible to do anyway – just that you say you've built one. Delaying by two years because of a "technical problem" was a genius move because it gives the fake project more credibility!!!!!! There is no LHC. There will be no Black Holes. Just rumours of proton collisions and rumours of black holes – that will be enough to serve ILLUMINATI needs!

O.k, but what of the many pictures???

What do you suppose they are of?? You know you cant just post that and leave!!!:D

Have you seen the other threads etc??

Rick

[mrkoom]

Pictures of what? A big tube and some computer monitors?

If I show you a picture of a safe and tell you there are diamonds inside you only have my word for it!!!!!

[hagbard_celine]

Can I have a go? Why do Welshman wear kilts? So the sheep won't hear the zipper.. lolz

Ah well.. back on topic


:D:p That's one of the best ones.

BTW: I go home during sheering season, cos I like 'em bare!:D

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNpucos9wc


I was amused to see that this was on GoogleVideo's homepage chart list.

Even the local rag in Oxford covered it. I saw a signboard: "BIG BANG MACHINE WILL NOT DESTROY THE WORLD". Some Oxford physicists have been lecturing on the LHC and its safety.

[hagbard_celine]

Let me ask you a question : If these "illuminati" want to destroy earth with that gothenbaure... damn whatever tactics , then why not to use these thousands of nukes stationed in USA , India , Russia etc... instead ?

Not certain enough to wipe EVERYONE!. Also everyone doing it would know what was going on. Nukes are not all automatic like in Dr Strangelove, people have to launch them and the orders to launch have to be transmitted by other people in messages with coded interlocks. With the LHC, it's not only far more destructive and certain to wipe us out; only a few people have to be in the know, the other act in all innocence.

[hagbard_celine]

"Doorway to the New World?"

http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/09/10/news/the-large-hadron-collider-lhs-a-doorway-to-the-new-world-order/

That could mean several things!:eek::confused:

[dangermouse]

"Doorway to the New World?"

http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/09/10/news/the-large-hadron-collider-lhs-a-doorway-to-the-new-world-order/

That could mean several things!:eek::confused:

ahhhh ... they need a mega computer to power the matrix ... i see it now :eek:

[synergy777]

the best ommission on the news was, they are searching for the "god" particle, the particle that makes things "feel" solid, lol

get it not things are solid, but why things feel solid. as basic physics clearly states the atom is 0.01% solid, eg the nucleus(protons/neutrons). so the penny drops, lol

things are not solid, as atoms are not solid, and as everything is made of atoms, simplicity is beautiful.

[luke1721]

hagbard_celine

Stop worrying so much my friend, they are searching for something confined to the laws of the standard model of physics and cosmology. If you subscribe to the electro model which is much more convincing IMO you will see that creating black holes etc doesn’t seem possible.

Either way, it is not the end if we are infinite consciousness, the greater powers would stop it if it was a threat so it obviously isn’t one.

Neo I echo your sentiments HC is playing strainght into the hands of the illuminatie by allowing his fears to cloud his rational mind. The majority of people here forget that the Standard model like any other model is all based on Mathematical models. No one has ever seen a black hole they only exist in theory. I am with those proponents of an electric universe and in that model Black Holes, Dark Matter etc does not even exist.

[baron von lotsov]

Remember guys that one of the objects of the experiment is to find out what this so-called dark matter actually is. Most of our universe is made of a substance that is called dark matter so as to explain the standard model's predictions. Can you see where this is getting at? The standard model does not account for most of the energy, so they say it is something called dark matter. Another example of this is the neutrino, it is said that this thing is a particle with finite mass but does not interact with anything. They say neutrinos can pass right through the earth because of this. Now just think about this for a moment. A particle with finite mass that is impossible to detect because of its complete non-interaction with surrounding matter, which of course includes any detector. So how on earth do they know it exists? This one is a corker; they tell you it exists because when you have a particle interaction the energy in equals the energy out. So lets say they observe some of this energy disappearing. What do they say about that? They tell us this is evidence there is a neutrino or two coming out of it!

The second point is seen in astronomy. Astronomers look up to the heavens and measure distance using red shift. However when doing this they find that certain things are in the wrong places. They find observations of age from other data do not correspond to that of calculated distance (and hence time) with those of the red shift measurements. It seems something is out there messing things up. This throws up all sorts of quandaries, such as whether the speed of light is actually constant. How can we tell it has always gone at the same speed and what about all this unseen mass? They say it is mass because of a theory to do with the big bang that tells us how much mass the universe should be. Secondly we can observe what we think of as mass by the warping of space according to Einstein's General Relativity. So you see what the problem is, we could be getting tied up in knots and inventing more and more fudges to keep the Standard Model afloat. Also consider if we could harness this invisible energy. Well, that would cut our fuel bills to a fraction of what they are today.

[velvetexplorer]

Our entire existence is comprised of light. That's it. Light.

Lucifer = light bringer

god said, "let there be light"... and thus, this massive light / energy show which we call "life" was born.

You are all thinking way too hard. You've fallen right into the very trap they built to imprison you. You don't need to stay there.

Realize (real-eyes) what they're doing, how, why -- and you're free.

[baron von lotsov]

Our entire existence is comprised of light. That's it. Light.

Lucifer = light bringer

god said, "let there be light"... and thus, this massive light / energy show which we call "life" was born.

You are all thinking way too hard. You've fallen right into the very trap they built to imprison you. You don't need to stay there.

Realize (real-eyes) what they're doing, how, why -- and you're free.


Bullshit.

This is not a thread to promote the occult. You have a one-track mind, go and spout that stuff some place else. Science does not imprison you, that is a truly idiotic thing to say.

Can’t we just have one thread without listening to this shit?

[goldman]

Well said baron von lotsov, I agree.

[duckingdafta]

Realize (real-eyes)
or is that 'Real Lies?'

[luke1721]

Remember guys that one of the objects of the experiment is to find out what this so-called dark matter actually is. Most of our universe is made of a substance that is called dark matter so as to explain the standard model's predictions. Can you see where this is getting at? The standard model does not account for most of the energy, so they say it is something called dark matter. Another example of this is the neutrino, it is said that this thing is a particle with finite mass but does not interact with anything. They say neutrinos can pass right through the earth because of this. Now just think about this for a moment. A particle with finite mass that is impossible to detect because of its complete non-interaction with surrounding matter, which of course includes any detector. So how on earth do they know it exists? This one is a corker; they tell you it exists because when you have a particle interaction the energy in equals the energy out. So lets say they observe some of this energy disappearing. What do they say about that? They tell us this is evidence there is a neutrino or two coming out of it!

The second point is seen in astronomy. Astronomers look up to the heavens and measure distance using red shift. However when doing this they find that certain things are in the wrong places. They find observations of age from other data do not correspond to that of calculated distance (and hence time) with those of the red shift measurements. It seems something is out there messing things up. This throws up all sorts of quandaries, such as whether the speed of light is actually constant. How can we tell it has always gone at the same speed and what about all this unseen mass? They say it is mass because of a theory to do with the big bang that tells us how much mass the universe should be. Secondly we can observe what we think of as mass by the warping of space according to Einstein's General Relativity. So you see what the problem is, we could be getting tied up in knots and inventing more and more fudges to keep the Standard Model afloat. Also consider if we could harness this invisible energy. Well, that would cut our fuel bills to a fraction of what they are today.

They are just making it all up because they don't have a clue what they are going on about!

This guy is on the ball!

A mini-series by MrCropper illustrating the bankruptcy of modern cosmology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAxe44qTEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqS6sDtqi_I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VO_7bs5EIE&feature=related

At most, the LHC will open a can of worms.
No black holes will be formed, except for the embarrassing holes in the theory.
Colliding [or collapsing] anything, at whatever scale, results in a measurement of "mass, "charge", and/or the observation of light. The more vigorous the "collisions", the more x- or gamma-like the light will be observed. This is not about hypothetical singularities, event horizons, nor suspending the known laws of physics. Perhaps, CERN will discover the aether of EU significance. Probably not, unless the physicists of CERN are open to a can of worms.

The LHC will find nothing more than an enormous mess of particles that are not the Higgs particle. Basically the end of the Standard Model. They might fight a gaping hole there then...

Black holes are nothing more than a concept. Wormholes do not exist in EU theory.

[baron von lotsov]

Apparently the problem with a black hole on a theoretical level is it is an infinity at its centre. When you put infinity into an equation the equation becomes meaningless, such as infinity divided by infinity is any number you choose. So I think they have used this idea to allow them to invent what they like, because neither can the maths prove or disprove it. There are models that fit quite nicely without resorting to infinities in them. Also there is something else weird in physics. Look up plank length and plank time.

[moonshine]

Hackers deface Large Hadron Collider Web site
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/091208-hackers.html?hpg1=bn
When worlds (and particles) collide
http://weblog.infoworld.com/robertxcringely/archives/2008/09/when_worlds_and.html

[fromthatshow]

don't know if it's been posted in this thread yet
but anyone notice that the Cern logo is 666?

[moonshine]

don't know if it's been posted in this thread yet
but anyone notice that the Cern logo is 666?

Someones mentioned this here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35448

[duckingdafta]

Hackers deface Large Hadron Collider Web site
this is a scare tactic with quotes like
The Telegraph reports the scientists working with the Large Hadron Collider have received threats via e-mail and phone because some in the public are worried about speculation that the facility could trigger a black hole and swallow up the earth or otherwise cause calamities.
this is to make people believe that individuals like Gary Mckinnon are a real threat to all human life so as to deserve 70 years.

disgusting tactics!

report real stuff!...leave the minds alone

[moonshine]

Big Bang: Tunnel vision to fire imagination of scientists worldwide

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Big_Bang_Tunnel_vision_to_fire_imagination_of_scie ntists_worldwide/articleshow/3478107.cms

[moonshine]

this is a scare tactic with quotes like

this is to make people believe that individuals like Gary Mckinnon are a real threat to all human life so as to deserve 70 years.

disgusting tactics!

report real stuff!...leave the minds alone

Did you mean the Telegraph with the last comment? :confused: I assumed people would come to the same conclusion as me, that the report was nothing more but fear mongering nonsense.

[duckingdafta]

Did you mean the Telegraph with the last comment? :confused:

yep..I tried to fade my comment so as aimed to them not you.. I don't know how to otherwise....the normal is my opinion on your post...like yours in fear mongering

[moonshine]

yep..I tried to fade my comment so as aimed to them not you.. I don't know how to otherwise....the normal is my opinion on your post...like yours in fear mongering
I thought it might of been that, sorry for the misunderstanding.:)

[anyuser]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern312.xml

Hackers have mounted an attack on the Large Hadron Collider, raising concerns about the security of the biggest experiment in the world. By Roger Highfield.

As the first particles were circulating in the machine near Geneva where the world wide web was born, a Greek group hacked into the facility, posting a warning about weaknesses in its infrastructure.

Calling themselves the Greek Security Team, the interlopers mocked the IT used on the project, describing the technicians responsible for security as "a bunch of schoolkids."

However, despite an ominous warning "don't mess with us," the hackers said they had no intention of disrupting the work of the atom smasher.

"We're pulling your pants down because we don't want to see you running around naked looking to hide yourselves when the panic comes," they wrote in Greek in a rambling note posted on the LHC's network.

The scientists behind the £4.4 billion "Big Bang" machine had already received threatening emails and been besieged by telephone calls from worried members of the public concerned by speculation that the machine could trigger a black hole to swallow the earth, or earthquakes and tsunamis, despite endless reassurances to the contrary from the likes of Prof Stephen Hawking.

The website - www.cmsmon.cern.ch - can no longer be accessed by the public as a result of the attack.
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Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were "one step away" from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high.

If they had hacked into a second computer network, they could have turned off parts of the vast detector and, said the insider, "it is hard enough to make these things work if no one is messing with it."

Fortunately, only one file was damaged but one of the scientists firing off emails as the CMS team fought off the hackers said it was a "scary experience".

The hackers targeted the Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment, or CMS, one of the four "eyes" of the facility that will be analysing the fallout of the Big Bang.

The CMS team of around 2000 scientists is racing with another team that runs the Atlas detector, also at Cern, to find the Higgs particle, one that is responsible for mass.

"There seems to be no harm done. From what they can tell, it was someone making the point that CMS was hackable," said James Gillies, spokesman for Cern. "It was quickly detected."

"We have several levels of network, a general access network and a much tighter network for sensitive things that operate the LHC," said Gillies.

"We are a very visible site," he said, adding that of the 1.4 million emails sent to Cern yesterday, 98 per cent was spam.

The hacking attempt started around the time that the giant machine was about to circulate its first particles, under the spotlight of the world's media.

[branjo]

It will be interesting to see the results but probably won't be spectacular to a layman like me.

I don't think a black hole is possible to recreate but it would be ironically funny if it did and it was just big enough to swallow the machine that cost like 3 billion dollars, "oops" wouldn't come close, but man I'd laugh.

I sit corrected, 4.4 Billion dollars

[logic bomb]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9890/ohptoftimemeasured13sepjy2.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/x-secondbeam.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/2ndevent.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/event3.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/vp1-atlas-beam.swf

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/vp1-atlas-transparentmuon.swf

[phaid]

LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams

There are currently two webcams online

* Camera 7: looking at the Underground Experimental Cavern from the Saleve side.
* Camera 8: looking out of the window of the 1st Floor of the SCX building that houses the CMS Control room.

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

It's not looking good................:eek:

[prodigy_x]

LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams

There are currently two webcams online

* Camera 7: looking at the Underground Experimental Cavern from the Saleve side.
* Camera 8: looking out of the window of the 1st Floor of the SCX building that houses the CMS Control room.

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

It's not looking good................:eek:

hehe....pretty funny. :D

[baron von lotsov]

1978 graphics

It's not a bliming artshow for goodness sake.

What's wrong with those graphics anyway?

[logic bomb]

It's not a bliming artshow for goodness sake.

What's wrong with those graphics anyway?

Did I say anything was wrong with them?

They are lovely and perfectly functional.

Still.. a higher resolution and a some shading effects wouldn't have gone amiss.. something snazzy for the occasion. Know what I mean baron? ;)

[baron von lotsov]

Did I say anything was wrong with them?

They are lovely and perfectly functional.

Still.. a higher resolution and a some shading effects wouldn't have gone amiss.. something snazzy for the occasion. Know what I mean baron? ;)


Well they were obviously much higher resolution before someone copied them. Look at the characters, you can hardly resolve them, but you need at least 8 pixels to display a character.

[krakhead]

1978 graphics

Have you seen the way most physicists dress?! They still think it IS 1978! ;)

[phaid]

Have you seen the way most physicists dress?! They still think it IS 1978! ;)

Is the Open University still on TV?

[dangermouse]

Have you seen the way most physicists dress?! They still think it IS 1978! ;)

rofl

[3stepsahead]

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9890/ohptoftimemeasured13sepjy2.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/x-secondbeam.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/2ndevent.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/img/event3.png

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/vp1-atlas-beam.swf

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/OPERATIONS/prodSys/atlasoracleadmin/10Sep2008/beam/vp1-atlas-transparentmuon.swf


that gives me a feeling of the stargate movie
crazy

[duckingdafta]

that gives me a feeling of the stargate movie
crazy

snap!.. me too... I wonder if TPTB think there's an Ark they need in Iran?
I'm not sure, but I think it may have been Zeitgeist that says the museums are usually the first targets.. but don't quote me on that.

[3stepsahead]

snap!.. me too... I wonder if TPTB think there's an Ark they need in Iran?
I'm not sure, but I think it may have been Zeitgeist that says the museums are usually the first targets.. but don't quote me on that.


well the area is supposed to be quite old. and ive felt that there may have been interesting things they have uncovered in irak or afghanistan.
and maybe also jerlusalem and the pyramids. (etc)

i mean ..creating a replication of the big bang sounds kinda too stupid to even attempt at a fool proof level. so there may aswell be something else they are doing alongside.

[moonshine]

We’ll die another day!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/09/14/we-ll-die-another-day-91466-21812517/
:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

. Also consider if we could harness this invisible energy. Well, that would cut our fuel bills to a fraction of what they are today.

The thing is this kind of energy has been harnessed. It's just kept secret from us. If we had access to it our fuel bills wouldn't be cut to a fraction of what theyt are; they'd be eliminated.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, British Gas!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Neo I echo your sentiments HC is playing strainght into the hands of the illuminatie by allowing his fears to cloud his rational mind. The majority of people here forget that the Standard model like any other model is all based on Mathematical models. No one has ever seen a black hole they only exist in theory. I am with those proponents of an electric universe and in that model Black Holes, Dark Matter etc does not even exist.

Now actually I'm not letting my fear get the better of me.:cool: As I've already said to Lottie, I'm comforted by alternative viewpoints on physics and spirtuality. But this doesn't mean I'm going to turn my head away from the issue completely! I love the physical body of this planet, the stars and galaxies of this physical universe.:(

[hagbard_celine]

this is a scare tactic with quotes like

this is to make people believe that individuals like Gary Mckinnon are a real threat to all human life so as to deserve 70 years.

disgusting tactics!

report real stuff!...leave the minds alone

Yes, what an opportunity to tar Gary with the same brush!:mad:

[hagbard_celine]

LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams

There are currently two webcams online

* Camera 7: looking at the Underground Experimental Cavern from the Saleve side.
* Camera 8: looking out of the window of the 1st Floor of the SCX building that houses the CMS Control room.

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

It's not looking good................:eek:

A live webcam! I love them! Cool!:cool: Thanks!:)

[hagbard_celine]

We’ll die another day!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/09/14/we-ll-die-another-day-91466-21812517/
:rolleyes:

The impression the media have given is that because nothing bad happened on Wednesday then the worry's over. Not so! As wee've discussed; the LHC will take months to warm up. And the black hole could take years to produce.

[sithnemesis]

Fact or Fiction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNpucos9wc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9myUuhDRZ8

[baron von lotsov]

Oh no, you still believe that crap.

Has it ever occurred to you people that the Illuminati don't like science and especially people becoming interested and inspired by it? Do you know why that is? Just imagine if everyone got interested in highly complex scientific things. Just think how much cleverer they would become and how much less gullible. Anyway no need for them to worry about you lot, you got distracted just fine, what with their hacking bullshit and their make-believe black hole.

[luke1721]

Now actually I'm not letting my fear get the better of me.:cool: As I've already said to Lottie, I'm comforted by alternative viewpoints on physics and spirtuality. But this doesn't mean I'm going to turn my head away from the issue completely! I love the physical body of this planet, the stars and galaxies of this physical universe.:(

Mate Where Attention Goes Energy Flows. Don't give your power away do what Icke suggest; and that is think for yourself. Otherwise u will end up like that Idiot Snoopy who believes that a Myth called Jesus is going to come back and save him. He does need saving mind, from his own stupidity.

[drael]

Oh no, you still believe that crap.

Has it ever occurred to you people that the Illuminati don't like science and especially people becoming interested and inspired by it? Do you know why that is? Just imagine if everyone got interested in highly complex scientific things. Just think how much cleverer they would become and how much less gullible. Anyway no need for them to worry about you lot, you got distracted just fine, what with their hacking bullshit and their make-believe black hole.


eeeeeee.

Wrong.

The legacy physics feed to us in high schools, mostly newtonian with a dash of standard model, is not an intelligence to aspire to.

Rather it is fixed in pre-convience cultural ideas about the nature of matter, and as faith based as any religion. In fact, it is the modern religion.

To truely transcend the pre-conceived notions that the ptb want us to buy, one needs to read deeper than a breif history of time, or some websites on quatum physics and string theory. The fundamental problems of a GUT, are quite involved.

Although, if u can offer a mainstream explaination for zero-point energy or at distance effects, that ill buy, ill sing a different tune ...

Until then, go the russians! (and prolly when the lhc delivers data)

[moonshine]

Worldwide grid evaluating collider test results
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=326228&intsrc=news_ts_head

[wazaaap]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35818

[arrowwind]

Oh no, you still believe that crap.

Has it ever occurred to you people that the Illuminati don't like science and especially people becoming interested and inspired by it? Do you know why that is? Just imagine if everyone got interested in highly complex scientific things. Just think how much cleverer they would become and how much less gullible. Anyway no need for them to worry about you lot, you got distracted just fine, what with their hacking bullshit and their make-believe black hole.


Are you kidding?

They love science. Create anything to keep money flowing and more power into their hands.

Just look at the military industrial complex, all a result of science and one of the largest money makers for the US

Look at the oil and petrol chemical industry ...feeding the illuminati as it poisons us.

look at the pharmaceutical industry, (remember I G Farben?)
and all the drug addiciton and drug death they bring.

look at the food industry, science designed to keep us dumb and sick and limited life expectancey. Did you know that the life expectancy for US citizens went down this year as cancer rates soar? Autism 1 in 75 males in some states, 1 in 150 in others... all from our world of science.

Wasn't it science that brought us oxycontins and other legal drugs that is now an epidemic to our youth? killing them left and right, and the media barely reports on it. yet thousands if not more go to jail for pot, a drug that really hurts no one. But hey, they've built a giant prison industry over pot and they didn't want local growers to get rich over it. Instead the Mexican mafia is, of course along with other drugs. When they are ready, they will throw the pot heads out of prison and put folks like you and me in there.

then how about the atomic bomb?
didn't that have something to do with science.

No no. What they like to do is keep dumb christian fundamentalists and other boneheads really stupid, and they do it through science and fear mongering.

I am waiting to see how CERN will develop this science coming out of this into another weapon.

And please, I have heard that armed NATO forces are present on the collider site. Why is this?

[3stepsahead]

the first two minutes of this clip is luckily fantasy...right??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGxDz4rO2Yk

[baron von lotsov]

eeeeeee.

Wrong.

The legacy physics feed to us in high schools, mostly newtonian with a dash of standard model, is not an intelligence to aspire to.



I don't believe all of the standard model, but some things in physics work very well and have been tested millions of times. The boom time was I suppose between about 1915 and 1940, things rapidly progressed during this time but I now think they are barking up the wrong tree. It's turned into not much more than numerology.

[baron von lotsov]

No no. What they like to do is keep dumb christian fundamentalists and other boneheads really stupid, and they do it through science and fear mongering.


How does teaching science make you really stupid?

[hagbard_celine]

Oh no, you still believe that crap.

Has it ever occurred to you people that the Illuminati don't like science and especially people becoming interested and inspired by it? Do you know why that is? Just imagine if everyone got interested in highly complex scientific things. Just think how much cleverer they would become and how much less gullible. Anyway no need for them to worry about you lot, you got distracted just fine, what with their hacking bullshit and their make-believe black hole.


It has occurred to me and I don't think it's true. The Loomies are perfectly happy to use science to their ends. They're also perfectly happy for us to learn scientific ideas, so long as those ideas suit their agenda. This does not necessarily make you less gullible, in fact it turns science experts into figures of authority in a form that used to be province of priests.

[baron von lotsov]

It has occurred to me and I don't think it's true. The Loomies are perfectly happy to use science to their ends. They're also perfectly happy for us to learn scientific ideas, so long as those ideas suit their agenda. This does not necessarily make you less gullible, in fact it turns science experts into figures of authority in a form that used to be province of priests.


Would you rather have uneducated people as figures of authority?

[hagbard_celine]

Would you rather have uneducated people as figures of authority?

If you mean people who haven't been overdosed by mainstream childhood indoctrination?... Yes!:cool::D

[baron von lotsov]

If you mean people who haven't been overdosed by mainstream childhood indoctrination?... Yes!:cool::D


No, I meant people who are stupid and lack knowledge. For example some of the celebs we have at the moment.

[steevo]

No, I meant people who are stupid and lack knowledge. For example some of the celebs we have at the moment.

:rolleyes: Trying to put words into Celine's mouth, and your not even being subtle about it either Baron :cool:

[baron von lotsov]

:rolleyes: Trying to put words into Celine's mouth, and your not even being subtle about it either Baron :cool:


It's not my fault he chooses to support the idiot brigade. People say shit on here and can't back it up. Didn't you know the elite are trying to dumb the sciences down? It's hardly a tactic they would use if science were something they believed could be used to indoctrinate people with. The fact of the matter is you can't indoctrinate people with logic. Science is built on reason, logic and mathematics, especially physics. They don't even teach calculus at maths O Level these days. So please, lets wake up a bit and stop acting like imbeciles.

[3stepsahead]

so im still certain that there is no need to make big bangs unless youd want to create havoc. not certain though what will happen, but there are a lot of rumours about stargates and wormholes. and other agendas aswell.

a big bang in my bedroom is the only big bang i support at the moment.


the only positive thing is that if it comes to pass as something useful, it will be many countrys (i hope) that may have ownership to the patents.
though that may itself create a conflict.

[swoarg]

what wories me is that we have people that can remember
infomation and use it to gain qualifications and degrees.
on paper they look like a wizard, when spoken to they sound
brilliant, but in reality all they will do is constantly repeat what
they have learnt. some how they manage to carry on
blamimg others for there cock ups.
i just hope theres not to many repeaters working on the LHC.

[arrowwind]

Quote:
Originally Posted by arrowwind

No no. What they like to do is keep dumb christian fundamentalists and other boneheads really stupid, and they do it through science and fear mongering.

How does teaching science make you really stupid?

Teaching science does not make you stupid but he results of science are frequently designed to control and weaken people. and I listed quite a few, go back to my post. If you eat the products of modern science in our food supply, and use the pharmaceuticals, and all the other crap out there you will likely end up stupid, or your kids will be genetic morphs, or you will die of cancer.

Not only must you avoid the above but conscious effort must now be applied by individuals to maintain good health due to environmental issues. For instance, the high levels of Benzene in the water supply on Long Island has made it a major epidemic area for breast cancer. If these woman do not detox and protect themselves they have a greater risk of succumbing to breast cancer.

Do you know our life expectancy in the US has gone down? Due to cancer primarily. But diabetes will speed it up more so as our current batch of youth get to their '40's, and of course all the death associated with the diabetic disorder.

They have a plan for you! You just keep on doing as they say and you will get there.

[arrowwind]

Hey, I just got sent this site where you can watch the CERN via live Webcam

Check it out!


http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

[guuna]

If you mean people who haven't been overdosed by mainstream childhood indoctrination?... Yes!:cool::D

It seems that the current system does elevate scientists to the realms of power and privellege that were the pride of place of the priesthood in older times. Witness the fawning adulation afforded to people such as Brian Cox, Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawking.

One of them just has to write a book and it's tons of free publicity from that mind control hive otherwise known as the BBC (Sponsored by the licence fee payers of the uk.)

[guuna]

It seems that the current system does elevate scientists to the realms of power and privellege that were the pride of place of the priesthood in older times. Witness the fawning adulation afforded to people such as Brian Cox, Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawking.

One of them just has to write a book and it's tons of free publicity from that mind control hive otherwise known as the BBC (Sponsored by the licence fee payers of the uk.) ditto the 'opposition' Murdoch stations.

[baron von lotsov]

Quote:
Originally Posted by arrowwind

No no. What they like to do is keep dumb christian fundamentalists and other boneheads really stupid, and they do it through science and fear mongering.



Teaching science does not make you stupid but he results of science are frequently designed to control and weaken people. and I listed quite a few, go back to my post. If you eat the products of modern science in our food supply, and use the pharmaceuticals, and all the other crap out there you will likely end up stupid, or your kids will be genetic morphs, or you will die of cancer.

Not only must you avoid the above but conscious effort must now be applied by individuals to maintain good health due to environmental issues. For instance, the high levels of Benzene in the water supply on Long Island has made it a major epidemic area for breast cancer. If these woman do not detox and protect themselves they have a greater risk of succumbing to breast cancer.

Do you know our life expectancy in the US has gone down? Due to cancer primarily. But diabetes will speed it up more so as our current batch of youth get to their '40's, and of course all the death associated with the diabetic disorder.

They have a plan for you! You just keep on doing as they say and you will get there.



Yes but one of the main people they have in promoting it is from Manchester University physics department. I know the place very well and used to know the people there. They were some of the last people you would have reckoned on as being dodgy. If anything they were quite anti-system when it came down to it. OK one or two were a bit weird but the general atmosphere of the place was good. You are targeting the wrong people and they have nothing to do with what goes on in food. A lot of them in fact were astronomers and they did it because they were genuinely interested in finding out what is out there. You might find this difficult to understand, but a lot of academics are not greedy people, they do it out of curiosity, often getting paid half what their counterparts in industry do.

[hagbard_celine]

It's not my fault he chooses to support the idiot brigade. People say shit on here and can't back it up. Didn't you know the elite are trying to dumb the sciences down? It's hardly a tactic they would use if science were something they believed could be used to indoctrinate people with. The fact of the matter is you can't indoctrinate people with logic. Science is built on reason, logic and mathematics, especially physics. They don't even teach calculus at maths O Level these days. So please, lets wake up a bit and stop acting like imbeciles.

That's totally unfair!:rolleyes: We're discussing a legitimate subject here. You can think we're wrong if you like, but we've got good reason to put forward the ideas we do?

Are you really so naive that you think the Loomies wouldn't destory the Eart and fork out a mere $6 billion to do it? (No sarcasm)

[hagbard_celine]

It seems that the current system does elevate scientists to the realms of power and privellege that were the pride of place of the priesthood in older times. Witness the fawning adulation afforded to people such as Brian Cox, Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawking.

One of them just has to write a book and it's tons of free publicity from that mind control hive otherwise known as the BBC (Sponsored by the licence fee payers of the uk.)

Quite so, in fact I said as much to Baron von Lotsov.

Some scientists now occuply the social and political roles that priests did in the past.

[drael]

Didn't you know the elite are trying to dumb the sciences down? It's hardly a tactic they would use if science were something they believed could be used to indoctrinate people with. The fact of the matter is you can't indoctrinate people with logic. Science is built on reason, logic and mathematics, especially physics. They don't even teach calculus at maths O Level these days.

Science is a cultural beleif legacy much like religion, and no part of scientific theory could possibly eliminate that bias? i mean peer review? give me a break, bunch of back patting elite clubs. Theres plenty of valid criticisms of science.
Phenomenology makes a strong case that any sense information is by defination subjective in any interpretation.Add to that the clawing of science at the tired old ideas of materialism, especially in the so called standard model and i sir,
call your science, illogical and unreason.

Maths, sure, but maths can be completely theoretical, as in most high level physics. Were not even sure if some of our maths is real maths or just made up.

Plus they dont even teach quatum physics in schools, only newtonian crap. Dumming down is an understatment in extreme, science, and education have been both made thick beyond comparison, not just by the ptb, but by the natural instinct to always assume your right in every power hungry persons dreams.

In true scientific theory, any theory can be disproven at any point. We dont prove things true, thats impossible. We prove things wrong. So why then are scientifically minded people, scientists and educators such complete fraking jerks about it then, acting like they know all the truth in the world? Its religion pure and simple, in its current form. The natural successor, put their by the ptb, or modified after it emergance, the successor to christianity.

Unlike religion, though still without any formal "proof", it demands complete and utter faith from its adherants, who can pit themselves against unebelievers like any religious zealot. Theres a brilliant analogy between supersistious early religions that beleived in magick, and scientific philosophy. (Which the think layer of crap lying on top of "science" that has nothing to do with actual scientific method and is pure nonsense, like for example so called scientific skepticism. Most stuff actually falls into this, or cultural legacy rather than actual "science")

Science, like most basic human assumptions and knowledge, is often simply a tower of assumptions, and when the base one breaks, the whole system is void.

If u want, lets talk scientific theory. Ill tear it apart :)

Whats stuff made of? atoms? and them? umm protons and netrons. and them? umm quarks? and them? and them? And them? And them?....hmmm actually that doesnt seem to end does it? If the lhc finds something, how do we know there isnt something smaller than contradicts that interpretation? we never do.

And where did the universe come from? a big explosion of superheated energy and possibly dark matter as well. And that? umm a supercondensed singularity of energy? and that? umm a novelty event inside of pre-time? not actually sure but ? and that? and that? What happens when time breaks down: logic breaks down. Think about it. Pre-time, or over-time, thats just word/concept play not logic. Whats outside of time, has not sequence, and therefor no events. So creation cant even be accounted for using pure logic, because causality doesnt exist!

See. tower of cards and assumptions. And whats happens if the next layer says ... no sorry wrong! All those boostful claims, positive assertions about reality, no actually those are now lies. So what science actually tells us for sure is....nothing.

Science isnt half of what it should be. Its impossible to eliminate bias. Investigation in itself is a bias. Humans are always bias. Our culture and our preconceptions are biased. All science is fot science.

The sad pathetic idea of review, especially given the reality, having any effect on bias is absurd IMO. So lets simply allow for bias, embrace it. Drop the objectivist language in reports, and start to accept some of our bias in writing the report. Stop claiming we know everything. More agknowledgement of softer science, like survey and written experiences - because u can counter the subjectivity with stats to some degree and this kind of material can be analysed.

Stop saying "we proved this. Or.. We beleive this is true" And start instead having a multi-theory model, with several or even a dozen or so explainations. And say, umm we dont know, but these are our best guesses. Leave materialist science in the past and agknowledge finally the truth of the implications of at distance effects, zero point energy and other unexplained phenomena in the standard model. Theoretical physics is weird. We should just accept all this stuff is weird and stop trying to pin it down to something.

No newton, no standard model, just the raft of other good theories that exist.

And then scientists can get on with what they are good for. Inventing technologies we can use, and calculating things.

Arggh science, ill eat you, arrg...ummm um um umm. :D

[jayelowell]

to me science and spirituality are one in the same!

[tabea_blumenschein]

Science is a cultural beleif legacy much like religion, and no part of scientific theory could possibly eliminate that bias? i mean peer review? give me a break, bunch of back patting elite clubs. Theres plenty of valid criticisms of science.

Phenomenology makes a strong case that any sense information is by defination subjective in any interpretation.Add to that the clawing of science at the tired old ideas of materialism, especially in the so called standard model and i sir,
call your science, illogical and unreason.

You obviously know nothing about the scientific method and the concept of falsifiability. How about a little light reading, drael?

Falsifiability. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability)

The scientific method. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method)

Maths, sure, but maths can be completely theoretical, as in most high level physics. Were not even sure if some of our maths is real maths or just made up.

Speaking on a subject you know nothing about.

Plus they dont even teach quatum physics in schools, only newtonian crap. Dumming down is an understatment in extreme, science, and education have been both made thick beyond comparison, not just by the ptb, but by the natural instinct to always assume your right in every power hungry persons dreams.

HUH??? QUANTUM PHYSICS IN SCHOOL?!?!?!? What else should they do, drael, teach tensor calculus in Kindergarten????

Do you know how much time and effort it takes to learn that "newtonian crap" you're disparaging (I'm speaking from experience here)? Do you know that many problems require the use of differential or integral calculus to solve? Do you realize newtonian physics is the foundation the rest of physics is built on?

I agree with you 100% about school curriculums being "dumbed down", but you should really keep your mouth shut about subjects you know nothing about, like physics and higher math.

In true scientific theory, any theory can be disproven at any point. We dont prove things true, thats impossible. We prove things wrong. So why then are scientifically minded people, scientists and educators such complete fraking jerks about it then, acting like they know all the truth in the world? Its religion pure and simple, in its current form. The natural successor, put their by the ptb, or modified after it emergance, the successor to christianity.

No sincere scientist believes that he or she "knows all the truth in the world." If you would actually bother to read actual scientific publications, you'd know that "all the cards are on the table" when it comes to a study or a hypothesis - degrees of uncertainty in the data are presented, possible weaknesses or limitations in a hypothesis are pointed out, and alternative explanations are considered.

You really should read Carl Sagan's The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. You might learn something about how Scientists think about things.

Unlike religion, though still without any formal "proof", it demands complete and utter faith from its adherants, who can pit themselves against unebelievers like any religious zealot. Theres a brilliant analogy between supersistious early religions that beleived in magick, and scientific philosophy. (Which the think layer of crap lying on top of "science" that has nothing to do with actual scientific method and is pure nonsense, like for example so called scientific skepticism. Most stuff actually falls into this, or cultural legacy rather than actual "science")

Science doesn't demand "complete and utter faith." Science has no special "priesthood"; anyone with the inclination and the willingness to work at educating themselves in a chosen field of study can join in.

And last I checked, scientists weren't going around having people burned at the stake for "scientific heresy".

Science, like most basic human assumptions and knowledge, is often simply a tower of assumptions, and when the base one breaks, the whole system is void.

Strawman.

If u want, lets talk scientific theory. Ill tear it apart :)

Sure you will, sweetheart.

Whats stuff made of? atoms? and them? umm protons and netrons. and them? umm quarks? and them? and them? And them? And them?....hmmm actually that doesnt seem to end does it? If the lhc finds something, how do we know there isnt something smaller than contradicts that interpretation? we never do.

And where did the universe come from? a big explosion of superheated energy and possibly dark matter as well. And that? umm a supercondensed singularity of energy? and that? umm a novelty event inside of pre-time? not actually sure but ? and that? and that? What happens when time breaks down: logic breaks down. Think about it. Pre-time, or over-time, thats just word/concept play not logic. Whats outside of time, has not sequence, and therefor no events. So creation cant even be accounted for using pure logic, because causality doesnt exist!

See. tower of cards and assumptions. And whats happens if the next layer says ... no sorry wrong! All those boostful claims, positive assertions about reality, no actually those are now lies. So what science actually tells us for sure is....nothing.

Scientists don't know everything = scientists don't know anything.

Is that your argument?

Science isnt half of what it should be. Its impossible to eliminate bias. Investigation in itself is a bias. Humans are always bias. Our culture and our preconceptions are biased. All science is fot science.

The sad pathetic idea of review, especially given the reality, having any effect on bias is absurd IMO. So lets simply allow for bias, embrace it. Drop the objectivist language in reports, and start to accept some of our bias in writing the report. Stop claiming we know everything. More agknowledgement of softer science, like survey and written experiences - because u can counter the subjectivity with stats to some degree and this kind of material can be analysed.

Stop saying "we proved this. Or.. We beleive this is true" And start instead having a multi-theory model, with several or even a dozen or so explainations. And say, umm we dont know, but these are our best guesses. Leave materialist science in the past and agknowledge finally the truth of the implications of at distance effects, zero point energy and other unexplained phenomena in the standard model. Theoretical physics is weird. We should just accept all this stuff is weird and stop trying to pin it down to something.

Again ranting about something you know nothing about.

No newton, no standard model, just the raft of other good theories that exist.

Okay, smart guy. How about starting a thread wherein you discuss what you believe to be the flaws in newtonian mechanics. Please be specific in your objections.

And no posting links to you-tube videos or other peoples' editorials either. I want your objections, backed up with careful reasoning and calculations when and where necessary.

And then scientists can get on with what they are good for. Inventing technologies we can use, and calculating things.

So you want science to abandon things like relativity theory and quantum mechanics, yet still produce the technologies that rely on those theories, do you? You know, things like GPS navigational systems, televisions, radios, computers, cellphones, etc. ...

Arggh science, ill eat you, arrg...ummm um um umm. :D

Whatever you say.

[baron von lotsov]

That's totally unfair!:rolleyes: We're discussing a legitimate subject here. You can think we're wrong if you like, but we've got good reason to put forward the ideas we do?

Are you really so naive that you think the Loomies wouldn't destory the Eart and fork out a mere $6 billion to do it? (No sarcasm)

Your question is unfair. You presume that the Illumis want to destroy themselves and that anyone who disagrees is completely naive. They do live on this 'Eart' as well you know!

[2013]

Did anyone see this pic from link on main headlines page ?
http://i34.tinypic.com/ir48dy.jpg
its in the last reply posted called free at last .cant save pic to post you will have to look for yourselves but worth a look .
One more thing dont let the price of building the lhc fool you . scientists spent thousands of pounds to discover that if you soak cornflakes in milk they become soggy .Another famous costly experiment was if you separate a kitten from its mother it cries ! Hardly billions of dollars but just two examples of wasting resources .Someone makes money out of it somewhere along the line ,which is a big motivating factor .:D
apologies it is on the page now just click on the image to enlarge .

[chattanova]

Magnet Failure at Large Hadron Collider

Might delay particle smashing for weeks.

Plans to begin smashing particles at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) may be delayed after a magnet failure forced engineers to halt work.

The failure, known as a quench, caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100C.

The fire brigade were called out after a tonne of liquid helium leaked into the tunnel at Cern, near Geneva.

The LHC beam will remain turned off over the weekend while engineers investigate the severity of the fault.

A spokesman for Cern told the BBC it was not yet clear how soon progress could resume at the £3.6bn ($6.6bn) particle accelerator.

While the failure was "not good news", he said glitches of this kind were not unexpected during testing.

Delays

The first beams were fired successfully around the accelerator's 27km (16.7 miles) underground ring over a week ago.

The crucial next step is to collide those beams head on. However, the fault appears to have ruled out any chance of these experiments taking place for the next week at least.

The quench occurred during final testing of the last of the LHC's electrical circuits to be commissioned.

At 1127 (0927 GMT) on Friday, the LHC's online logbook recorded a quench in sector 3-4 of the accelerator, which lies between the Alice and CMS detectors.

The entry stated that helium had been lost to the tunnel and that vacuum conditions had also been lost.

It added that the Cern fire brigade had been called to the scene.

The superconducting magnets in the LHC must be supercooled to 1.9 kelvin above absolute zero, to allow them to steer particle beams around the circuit.

As a result of the quench, the temperature of about 100 of the magnets in the machine's final sector rose by around 100C.

A spokesman for Cern confirmed that it would now be difficult, if not impossible, to stage the first trial collisions next week.

Further delays could follow once the damage has been fully assessed over the weekend.

The setback comes just a day after the LHC's beam was restored after engineers replaced a faulty transformer that had hindered progress for much of the past week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626256.stm

[drael]

Dont really know what to say to that response. There was no actual arguments in that from what i can tell, just some rhetorical questions and general astonishment?

FYI, im BA in psych, and have read science books and publications since teenagehood.

For a proper discussion u shud refer to husserl, or some phenomenology to understand my basic objections to the very logic of the scientific method, which counts apon peer review to eliminate bias, even though theres nothing to base that assumption on. Hell just look at modern science.

At the least a search of "legacy" and "scientific method" should reveal some very good papers from memory on the basic fault of relying on peer review. From memory though, u may need to have a good look. Some of these papers are written by scientists.

Either way, i doubt that ur paradigm will be able to easily converse with mine.

But, given a specific example, or idea, we may be able to hammer it out.

Tell me, what is it that makes u beleive that the peer review process can eliminate bias?

And as an aside, sagan is a smart man, he doesnt come under my criticism of scientific hubris at all. Even hawkings is pretty objective most of the time. But im guessing u were at school at some point? where was the ..we dont really know mentality there? I must have missed it.

Candle in the dark is a perfect metaphor. Anyways, perhaps u could assume less about what i do and dont know about, and actually discuss any ideas with me. I didnt read years of scientific theory, do psychology, and study logic and philosophy for nothing. U might assume because im anti-science that im a nut or clueless, but theres a powerful academic tradition of doing that throughout sciences history. Perhaps u shud read those links on scientific method again. We prove nothing, we only disprove. That is its not an argument to say "science knows nothing" thats fundamental to scientific method! and u dont even recognise this! just goes to show, the hubris of science.

If theres anything u think that science knows, discuss it with me :D

And yes, i appreciate technology. It never declares a winner in the game of truth, only an outcome. Give it fifty years and itll all be proven wrong, but a halfway guess that results in technologies is always appeciated.

Oh ad ur painting me as an unkowing hick is at least somewhat like that attitude of the religous zealot. There have been plenty of well documented academic objections to scientifc methods, and years later, ur still using a tarred brush to paint ur enemies, not ur precious logic.

And i quote "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof". Flies 100% in the face of scientific theory, yet this is a popluar idea in modern science. Cough, cough, bias bais, cough cough...

[marpat]

to me science and spirituality are one in the same!


As Crowley stated on the cover of his Equinox, 'The Method of Science, the Aim of Religion'.

[drael]

Oh, anyone know why theres a large statue of shiva, the indian goddess of destruction outside the main hq of the lhc projects?

[thegoodnessisgood]

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Could this be alien intervention to stop a destructive project going ahead?

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| Second Snag This Week Could Delay LHC for Weeks |
| from the unfortunate-but-to-be-expected dept. |
| posted by Soulskill on Saturday September 20, @00:01 (Science) |
| http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/20/010238 |
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sciencehabit writes "After a transformer failure earlier this week, the
Large Hadron Collider has hit another snag — and this one is much more
serious. As Science reports, 'At least one of the LHC's more than 1700
superconducting magnets failed, springing a leak and [0]spewing helium
gas into the subterranean tunnel that houses the collider ... How long
[repairs take] will depend in part on how much of the LHC must be warmed
to room temperature for servicing. If it's only a short section, the
repair could be relatively quick. But the machine is built in octants,
and if workers have to heat and cool an entire octant, then the cooling
alone would take several weeks." Reader Simmeh contributes [1]coverage
from the BBC. We recently discussed the [2]transformer malfunction at the
LHC, which was a smaller problem and has already been fixed. Update -
9/20 at 12:52 by SS: CNN reports that the LHC will be [3]out of
commission for two months.

Discuss this story at:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/09/20/010238

[marpat]

Oh, anyone know why theres a large statue of shiva, the indian goddess of destruction outside the main hq of the lhc projects?

Shiva is actually a male deity and is the lord of the dance of creation. His consort is Shakti (Kundalini)

I think the significance is that this device is supposed to replicate what happened when the universe was created.

[hagbard_celine]

Your question is unfair. You presume that the Illumis want to destroy themselves and that anyone who disagrees is completely naive.

I don't presume, I deduce. And yes, those who think that they would not do it are naive.

They do live on this 'Eart' as well you know

They may live on this Earth (along with us, some of whom are spelling police!:rolleyes:), but their terrestrial presence is merely the protrusion into this 3D-linear time plain of hyperdimensional beings.

[hagbard_celine]

Magnet Failure at Large Hadron Collider

Might delay particle smashing for weeks.


Yawn!:rolleyes::rolleyes: If they're going to do their Gotterdammerung then why don't they just get on with it!?

Are some of them toying with us?:confused:

[tracker]

8/8/8 eh?

According to noted occult author W. Wynn Westcott in the book, "Numbers: Their Occult Power and Mystic Virtues" (1890, pgs. 85-87), 8 means:

{start quote}

The Ogdoad. 8. Is the first cube of energy, and is the only evenly even number within the decad. The Greeks thought it an all-powerful number; they had a Proverb "all things are eight."

Camerarius, in his edition of the Arithmetic of Nicomachus, called it Universal Harmony, because musical ratios are distinguished by this number.

..

Hence the Ogdoad was also called "Cadmeia," because Harmony was looked upon as the wife of Cadmus; and Cadmus meant the Sub-lunary World, as Olympiodorus says. Eight was called also Mother, and Rhea, Cybele and Dindymene, from being the first cube, and a cube representing the earth.

The eight persons saved from the flood of Xisuthrus are synonyms of many octaves of gods, such as the 8 Cabiri great gods of Samothrace; see Bryant and Faber on this myth.

There are 8 Beatitudes of the Christian religion, Matthew, chap. v.

Eight is the number of the Moons of Saturn.

There have been several Masonic orders concerned with this Noachite Ogdoad, as the Prussian masons, Knights of the Royal Axe, or Prince of Libanus, the Noachites, and the Royal Ark Mariners, which is a subsidiary order to the Mark Master Masons.

Macrobius says the Ogdoad was the type of Justice, because it consists of evenly even numbers, and on account of its equal divisions.

John Heydon tells us that 8 events befall the Damned, and that there are 8 rewards of the Blessed.

The number 8 was sacred to Dionysos, who was born at the 8th month; the isle of Naxos was dedicated to him and it was granted to the women of Naxos, that their children born in the 8th month should live, whereas it is usual for such to die, although those born in either the 7th or the 9th month are usually reared.

The Jews were accustomed to practice Circumcision on male infants upon the 8th day after birth.

The Jews at the Chanucah or Feast of Dedication lit 8 candles, and it lasted 8 days. This is the Engkainia of John x. 22. As to conjuring among the ancient Jews, it is said in Talmud, Succah, 53. 1, that Levi played with 8 knives; Samuel in the presence of the King Sapor of Persia used 8 cups, and Abaji before Rabbi Rava used 8 eggs.

Eight prophets were descended from Rahab the Harlot, viz., Neraiah, Seraiah, Maasiah, Jeremiah, Hilkiah, Hannemeel, and Shallum. Note also that Huldah the prophetess was the grandchild of Rahab.

The last 8 verses of Deuteronomy, The Mosaic Law, The Pentateuch, were written by Joshua. Bava Bathra, 14. 1.

Rabbi Nathan states that there were 8 sects of the Pharisees: but both of the Talmuds (Jerusalem and Babylon) name only seven. It is prophesied that the Harps which will be played on earth before the Messiah will have 8 strings. Erachin, 13. 2.

As seven was the number of the original Creation, so 8, says W. F. Shaw, may be considered as the Day of Regeneration. Eight souls were saved in the Ark of Noah, and Noah was the 8th in descent, his name was Nvch=8 times 8=64.

888 is the special number of Jesus Christ as "He who is the Resurrection and the Life." He is the great opponent of the 666, the number of the Beast, the number of a Man.

The ancient Chinese writings refer to 8 musical sounds, the Pah-yin. (G. Schlegel.)

{end quote}

taken from a thread i made which was totally trashed by some very insane people trying to spread bad images about me , yet , on that thread , i will admit and say thank you to all those who stuck up for me and came to the rescue.

in rleation to te number 8

i give you part of that thread i made

The government in the Ukraine collapsed this morning .

on the 16/09/2008.

1+6+9+2+8=26.
2+6=8 .

Nothing wrong there ?

Georgia starts war on the same day as the Olympic games .
08/08/2008.
8+8+2+8=26
2+6=8.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa long breath .

these guys are getting predictable .




that was he thread subject



i knew i wasnt wrong !:D

[marpat]

taken from a thread i made which was totally trashed by some very insane people trying to spread bad images about me , yet , on that thread , i will admit and say thank you to all those who stuck up for me and came to the rescue.

in rleation to te number 8

i give you part of that thread i made

The government in the Ukraine collapsed this morning .

on the 16/09/2008.

1+6+9+2+8=26.
2+6=8 .

Nothing wrong there ?

Georgia starts war on the same day as the Olympic games .
08/08/2008.
8+8+2+8=26
2+6=8.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa long breath .

these guys are getting predictable .




that was he thread subject



i knew i wasnt wrong !:D


Talking about numerology have you looked at Icke? if we condense it down to actual sounds you get IKE, 10+20+1=31. In Hebrew the word for Not is 31 and also the god name El. Could it be that he has some inner link to the babylonion brotherhood through the numeric value of his name, linking him to EL.

[baron von lotsov]

Copied from /.'s newsletter.

Could this be alien intervention to stop a destructive project going ahead?




Yes it was little green men what done it. I know, I saw them when I was in a different dimension.

[chattanova]

CERN Down For Two Months Following Damage

A faulty connection between two magnets has triggered a meltdown which will delay the world’s biggest science experiment by two months, the Cern laboratory has admitted.
# Public chooses 'Halo' as new name for Large Hadron Collider
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# Read more about the Large Hadron Collider atom smasher

The fire brigade was called to the Large Hadron Collider after the fault, which sent temperatures soaring by 100 degrees celsius in a section of the 17-mile underground circuit on the Swiss-French border.

The first protons circulated in the huge collider on September 10 before an estimated television audience of one billion, and initial progress seemed to be smooth.

Last week the Welshman in charge of the collider, Dr Lyn "the Atom" Evans, told the Telegraph that he expected to collide the first particles next week, much earlier than thought. But the breakdown, at 11am UK time on Friday morning, led to the release of a ton of helium used to cool the magnets that guide subatomic particles around the machines’s circuit. Engineers had to wait for oxygen levels to return to normal before they were able to weigh up the damage.

When they did, their verdict came as a major blow. The failure will delay the process of commissioning by at least two months, said James Gillies, spokesman for Cern, the European particle physics laboratory.

"This kind of incident was always a possibility with such a unique and demanding project, that’s why we were so tense on the 10th," commented Prof Jonathan Butterworth of University College London, the UK head of the Atlas detector, which will study collisions.

"Having seen those tantalising first signs of beam in our detectors, everyone is raring to go. So it’s really disappointing, and hard for us to keep in perspective right now. "But a delay like this in a 20-year project isn’t an utter disaster and I’m sure the team at Cern will fix it, and make it more robust as they go." The explanation for the delay lies in how the giant machine relies on both the lowest temperature and the highest vacuum to collide particles – protons – at a shade under the speed of light. Liquid helium is used to cool the LHC’s so-called "superconducting magnets".

These are built from coils of special electric cable that operates in a superconducting state, efficiently conducting electricity without resistance or loss of energy, and thus offering the ability to generate vast magnetic fields. There was a faulty connection between two magnets, explained Gillies. As a result, during a power test, the high current melted the connection and helium leaked out from the magnet, which is located under the Jura mountains, and the vacuum was lost. This change, called a quench, releases stored energy.

"It seems to be the faulty connection that quenched. It stopped superconducting, which led it to heat up and melt, which in turn seems to have caused the mechanical failure that released helium," said Gillies. The massive quench took place between two focusing "quadrupole" magnets in sector 3-4 of the accelerator, which lies between the Alice and CMS detectors, the "eyes" of the machine that study collisions. As a result of the quench, the temperature of about 100 of the magnets in the machine’s final sector rose by around 100C.

One of the eight sectors of the giant machine will now have to return to room temperature and pressure for the magnet to be repaired, or even replaced, if necessary. While a repair of the magnet itself would take no more than two days, it will take "several weeks" to warm up the sector and then another "several weeks" to cool it down again, explained Gillies.

The magnets in that sector will have to be pre-cooled to -193.2°C (80 K, or 80 deg above absolute zero ) using 10,080 tons of liquid nitrogen, before they are filled with nearly 60 tons of liquid helium to bring them down to -271.3°C (1.9 K). The setback came just a day after the LHC’s beam was restored after engineers replaced a faulty transformer that had hindered progress for much of the past week.

Prof Brian Cox of Manchester University said: "It's disappointing of course to have to wait another couple of months for the physics to begin, but with a machine as complex as the LHC these things will happen in the commissioning stage.

"When we do wonderful and difficult things at the very edge of our capability we can't expect everything to go smoothly, but this is the price we must pay to make the most profound discoveries about our Universe."

Jad Marrouche, Imperial College London, who works on the CMS detector, said: "Having been so close to taking the first data from collisions, we are all disappointed that we will have to wait just that little bit longer.

"Preparations were gathering pace, especially with the very fast progress made by the collider team of late, so it feels a bit like there has been a false start at the 100m finals."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/20/scilhc120.xml

[thegoodnessisgood]

If you see the disclosure project you will see testimony from people who were in charge of nuclear missiles who say that UFO's were sighted over the missle locations and then they were completely disabled and unusable.

It would not be the first time they have intervened on weapons of mass destruction.

Remember that the Hiroshima bomb was a very small nuke. They have way bigger ones now.

[luke1721]

Maths, sure, but maths can be completely theoretical, as in most high level physics. Were not even sure if some of our maths is real maths or just made up.

OH they are sure all right Cosmologist deal with something called Imaginaray numbers. Hawking admits in his book the Universe in a Nutshell, that he and other physicist use sleight of hand (his words) to get rid of infinites and make the maths fit the observations.

From the viewpoint of positivist philosophy, however, one cannot determine what is real. All one can do is find which mathematical models describe the universe we live in. It turns out that a mathematical model involving imaginary time predicts not only effects we have already observed but also effects we have not been able to measure yet nevertheless believe in for other reasons. So what is real and what is imaginary? Is the distinction just in our minds?
Stephen Hawking

[luke1721]

In true scientific theory, any theory can be disproven at any point. We dont prove things true, thats impossible. We prove things wrong. So why then are scientifically minded people, scientists and educators such complete fraking jerks about it then, acting like they know all the truth in the world?

Yep good point and one that Joad pointed out long ago.

....Let us remember, however, that even scientific beliefs should
never be held dogmatically. Few, very few of them, can be safely assumed to be true for all time. Every triumph of science marks the destruction of some previously accepted conclusion. For this reason, men of science refrain, in serious discussion, from talking about belief. They prefer the more accurate word hypothesis.
For working purposes, they assume an hypothesis to be true until
it is proved false; but they preserve (or they should preserve) an open mind as to whether or not it is absolutely true.
C.E.M.Joad

[drael]

Luke, those are some good posts on science, and also very good quotes...Well said, and needs saying IMO.

Another vaguely lhc related notion, they seem to mention diapoles and quadrapoles alot. These are heavily used in alt science, such as beadern, russian scientists etc. Of course they are using superconducters, so it makes sence anyway, but this interesting.

[luke1721]

Hi Drael

Although I am no fan of Russell and am more in tune with Kant and Nietzsche I have to say Russell was spot on with this observation:


''The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.''
Bertrand Russell

[hagbard_celine]

If you see the disclosure project you will see testimony from people who were in charge of nuclear missiles who say that UFO's were sighted over the missle locations and then they were completely disabled and unusable.

It would not be the first time they have intervened on weapons of mass destruction.

Remember that the Hiroshima bomb was a very small nuke. They have way bigger ones now.


Yes, I saw that DP testimony vid.:cool:

I wonder if there were any UFO's reported in the area at the time. Over to you, Chattanova!:cool:

[drael]

Hey ahh, lets make random bets on what comes out, everyone gets 3.

1) Torsion feilds
2) String Theory/supersymmetry
3) A white bunny.

Anyone else?

[luke1721]

Hey ahh, lets make random bets on what comes out, everyone gets 3.

1) Torsion feilds
2) String Theory/supersymmetry
3) A white bunny.

Anyone else?

LOL I go For 4) Confusion


Reality 90% Illusion 10% Confusion
Albert Einstein

[baron von lotsov]

Maths, sure, but maths can be completely theoretical, as in most high level physics. Were not even sure if some of our maths is real maths or just made up.

OH they are sure all right Cosmologist deal with something called Imaginaray numbers. Hawking admits in his book the Universe in a Nutshell, that he and other physicist use sleight of hand (his words) to get rid of infinites and make the maths fit the observations.

From the viewpoint of positivist philosophy, however, one cannot determine what is real. All one can do is find which mathematical models describe the universe we live in. It turns out that a mathematical model involving imaginary time predicts not only effects we have already observed but also effects we have not been able to measure yet nevertheless believe in for other reasons. So what is real and what is imaginary? Is the distinction just in our minds?
Stephen Hawking

You can usually tell when a theory is correct. The best ones have been simple and universal and have the power to correctly predict future experiment. String theory is more of your modelling kind of bullshit where you model behaviour by inventing constants and fudge factors, and every time experiment shows the theory to be wrong, you have to invent more exceptions and fudge factors without a clue as to what is actually going on.

If we compare to something like superconductivity, for 40 years they had no idea why these strange effects were being observed until someone did an experiment and noticed electrons behaving in a quantum mechanical way and with discrete energy levels, but of crucial importance was the observation that they formed pairs. The electrons were behaving entirely as one would expect according to quantum mechanics. So after that you have a complete model without having to extend anything, and a model, which is both simple and universal. Nothing has been found to be wrong with it ever since. That is an example of good physics, but string theory has not been at all like this. Hopefully if they don't find this Higgs boson then they will maybe decide to try something else. It seems to hinge on whether this particle will make an appearance at this energy level, but you might find something completely different turning up. That's why it is exciting.

[hagbard_celine]

Hey ahh, lets make random bets on what comes out, everyone gets 3.

1) Torsion feilds
2) String Theory/supersymmetry
3) A white bunny.

Anyone else?


Can I choose "none of the above".

I expect the unexpected!:cool:

[humito]

A team of theoretical and experimental physicists, with participants from Case Western Reserve University, have designed a new black hole simulator called BlackMax to search for evidence that extra dimensions might exist in the universe.

Information about BlackMax's creation has been published in Physical Review Letters in the article, "BlackMax: A Black-Hole Event Generator with Rotation, Recoil, Split Branes and Brane Tension."

Black holes are theorized to be regions in space where the gravitational field is so strong that nothing can escape its pull after crossing what is called the event horizon. BlackMax simulates these regions.

Approximately two years in the making, the computer program enables physicists to test theories about the production and decay of black holes and takes into account new types of effects on both the creation and evaporation of black holes at the new Large Hadron Collider (LHC) currently being commissioned at the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland.

For example, black holes created at the LHC would be expected to start off spinning.

The spinning of the black hole increases the fraction of the black hole's mass that is dissipated as gravitons–elementary quanta of gravity, which could be used to provide a clue to the existence and structure of extra dimensions. Black holes are being studied with BlackMax by members of the ATLAS Experiment at LHC, one of the two principal large particle detectors at the new collider. Case Western Reserve physicists working with Glenn Starkman on the project are his former doctoral student Dejan Stojkovic, now a visiting professor on the faculty of the State University of New York (SUNY) at Buffalo, and De-Chang Dai, who recently graduated with his doctoral degree in physics, and is now a postdoctoral fellow working with Stojkovic. Other collaborators are experimental physicists Cigdem Issever and Jeff Tseng of Oxford University and Eram Rizvi from Queen Mary College at the University of London.

ATLAS works much like investigators who search the site of plane crash, and then piece together the debris to find the cause of the plane's disintegration.

BlackMax, by predicting how those pieces will fall, should allow physicists looking at data from the ATLAS experiment to see whether the pattern of particles released into the detector matches what one would expect when a black hole is produced and then falls apart.

The ordinary non-gravitational collisions predicted by the Standard Model of particle physics tend to produce fragments of the proton clumped into a small number of jets.

Decays of black holes should produce more particles than usual. These particles should also come out unusually isotropically—in every direction—and the mix of particles should be more democratic - including for example electrons and similar particles that are not found within the proton.

Under certain circumstances, black hole decay should also produce many gravitons that would themselves pass unnoticed out of the ATLAS, but which would make the remaining emitted particles looking asymmetric and carrying less than the full event energy.

Starkman said that if black holes are found at the LHC it will enable scientists to understand the connection between gravity and quantum mechanics, resolving the inconsistency between two of the great intellectual triumphs of the 20th century - quantum mechanics and Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

It would also mean the existence of other dimensions to space, and explain why gravity is such a weak force compared to the other three fundamental forces of nature–electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces.

According to Starkman, the black holes under study at LHC will be very small, extremely hot at more than billion times the temperature of the sun, and their lifespan will consequently be so short that they will decay within tiny fractions of a second of their creation.

He added that there is not enough time for the black hole to cross a human hair, "never mind leaving the detector," he said.

"What's more important is that the universe has been doing this experiment for billions of years by bombarding the earth's atmosphere (not to mention all the myriad stars) with cosmic rays. So we know if black holes are made at the LHC, they are entirely safe," said Starkman.


Source: Case Western Reserve University

[hagbard_celine]

have designed a new black hole simulator called BlackMax to search for evidence that extra dimensions might exist in the universe.



The Mist once again springs to mind!

BTW: it has been released on DVD in the UK!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/oct/26/dvdreviews-drama

[anahata]

Repairs to cost £14M!! Lets take bets on it happening again as soon as they fix it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm

[duckingdafta]

Repairs to cost £14M!! Lets take bets on it happening again as soon as they fix it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm

maybe they should use a better Meccano set rather than Stickle Bricks and Lego!. :D

[lookfar]

Repairs to cost £14M!! Lets take bets on it happening again as soon as they fix it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm

I was just reading the update on this saying that it's "recommended that an early warning system should be installed" - lol, oh really?:rolleyes: I was also wondering where the hell the £14m is gonna come from for the repairs - does any one know who's funding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7766334.stm

[simplify]

I was just reading the update on this saying that it's "recommended that an early warning system should be installed" - lol, oh really?:rolleyes: I was also wondering where the hell the £14m is gonna come from for the repairs - does any one know who's funding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7766334.stm

does any one know who's funding it? Yes........you, & you, & you, the taxpayers of course. One way or another you will all pay....unless the whole of England comes to a grinding halt in protest.......no work.:cool:

[cleopatraxxx]

I was just reading the update on this saying that it's "recommended that an early warning system should be installed" - lol, oh really?:rolleyes: I was also wondering where the hell the £14m is gonna come from for the repairs - does any one know who's funding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7766334.stm

well, i have a suspicion:

the huge collider can open dimensions. it has not failed at all. what happened is that the portal was accessed and something huge is going on there. they can't tell it to the public and hence announced it is undeegoing repairs or has to. of course being it such a huge thing, the money needs to come for whatever their reasons, ( maybe to buy more gold or precious metals to for dimensional travel, who knows\)reasons and is a great excuse to say that it will be for repairs.
i dont belive the recession is a naturally ocurring thing. it was created on purpose and they desperately need our money to invest in technologies, like the collider. i am hopefully wrong, but with the thories of NIBIRU approaching, could it be that THEY KNOW THE PLANET WILL FACE A POLAR SHIFT DUE TO NIBIRU'S APPROACH AND HUMANITY WILL BE REDUCED TO THOUSANDS, IF ANY SURVIVE, so THEY THROUGH THE COLLIDER CAN ESCAPE INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION????????? THEY DONT CARE ABOUT HUMANS, i doubt they will care to save the planet, but only their asses (excuse my language)

anyway...only time can tell

peace
xxx

[logic bomb]

On Friday, the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) released photos of damage to the Large Hadron Collider, CERN's flagship particle accelerator. The particle accelerator was damaged by a liquid helium leak in September, nine days into an experiment to test fundamental theories of physics by colliding beams of protons inside a 17-mile ring.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20081210/LHC1.jpg


Picture 1, above, shows two of the most severely broken interconnects, which are between the magnets in LHC sectors three and four. The superconducting magnets, used to direct and focus the proton beams in the experiment, are cooled by liquid helium. An electrical fault caused the liquid helium to leak, resulting in a need for repairs that has put the experiment out of action until at least summer 2009.


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20081210/LHC2.jpg


Picture 2 shows damage to the support of one of the quadrupole magnets in sectors three to four. The LHC uses quadrupole magnets to focus opposing proton beams, and dipole magnets to keep the beams on their respective paths.


http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20081210/LHC3.jpg


Picture 3 shows the site of the electrical fault that caused the helium leak. A resistive zone developed in one of the electrical connections, creating an electrical arc that punctured one of the helium enclosures around a magnet, according to an analysis by CERN. The warming helium expanded in the vacuum enclosure of the central subsector of the pipe, damaging the vacuum barriers separating the central subsector from the neighboring subsectors.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10120215-76.html?part=rss

[noewhan]

Here's what Bob Lazar says about the HCs of then. The new LHC can do a lot more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7i4rkSfMc

Bob Lazar has come under question by Stanton Friedman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gg36Lrfwr0

So who knows what to trust?

[penguin]

Confidence is high at cern, the last large magnet is now in place.

Some interesting media on what it is all about.

The Higgs boson: 'The God particle'

http://angelsanddemons.cern.ch/video/higgs-boson

[hagbard_celine]

Confidence is high at cern, the last large magnet is now in place.

Some interesting media on what it is all about.



http://angelsanddemons.cern.ch/video/higgs-boson

I saw that movie yesterday. It was OK, but nowhere near as good as The Da Vinci Code. The LHC was only portrayed in a kind of sci-fi capacity. A way of creating an antimatter bomb. In fact CERN has created antimatter, but only a few particles that last for only a fraction of a second!:D

[penguin]

I.....

I wasnt linking it to that movie, it just so happend that the LHC used it to promote the video related to the Higgs Boson.

In the video it talks about what they think is the bases of all that is and why/what it is that is keeping everything together.

They are interesting promo videos of the whole theory.

The reason behind posting it saying "confidence is high" is because they have just placed the last large magnet inplace, all repairs have been compleated, new saftey devices are now in place.

I was hinting that they are good to go soon ;)
So keep an eye on the web site, as am sure they will be providing online web media broadcast like last time.

As far as the movie goes!, I thought it was the biggest pile of arse blowing I have ever seen, although one thing it did show......

That the vatacan is full of crazy people that would go to no ends to protect the church.
;)

[hagbard_celine]

Interesting new idea about the LHC. I never thought of this!:eek::

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html

[dreamweaver]

Interesting new idea about the LHC. I never thought of this!:eek::

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html

I saw this a few days ago. Maybe I got a time-travelling Higgs and you didn't. :p

[Ian2day]

Interesting new idea about the LHC. I never thought of this!:eek::

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html


Its not a new idea. It was posted about months ago. However now that the MSM is publishing it. It has become "new" funny that. How something can go unnoticed by someone and as tptb media reports it. It must mean it is the first time it has been mentioned. This is an example of a media constructed version of reality meme being created.

[coco]

A guy dies and goes to heaven. He gets to the pearly gates and St. Peter is there to welcome him in, and takes him on a guided tour.

As they're walking around this guy notices an area surrounded by a huge wall, as they get to it St Peter tells him to be quiet.

Once they get past the guy turns to St Peter and asks why they had to be quiet.

Oh, we just went past the Christian enclosure, they think they're the only ones up here!

Boom, boom! ;)


Very good. :) I heard the same joke once with Catholics substituted in place of Christians.

[sygyt]

Hey HC interesting idea regarding the big bang part two .If they blew it all up and we all went out at once then wouldn't the consciousness of the majority of us go to the same place ? or perhaps this is the 2012 scenario we all go to our own version of heaven in spirit .Group heavens for each religion and another for the non believers perhaps some would continue on unaware that it had all blown up .Maybe that is where we are if it all happened in the blinking of an eye how would we know if the group mind experienced the same thing is this perhaps what we have always been working towards an awareness of this fact we are Free because the 3 D model is gone but we keep repeating an echo of it .If we are out of alignment with the galaxy we are supposed to be part of then perhaps this is what threw us out .All the mythology points to a time of a mass destruction , maybe we are getting closer to the time we realize this and all time ends because we can be free to be infinite :D
Who ordered the word salad?

[rosix]

Who ordered the word salad?

Your humour and wit is lost on us all - now piss off.

[hagbard_celine]

Its not a new idea. It was posted about months ago. However now that the MSM is publishing it. It has become "new" funny that. How something can go unnoticed by someone and as tptb media reports it. It must mean it is the first time it has been mentioned. This is an example of a media constructed version of reality meme being created.

True... but it could also mean that I simply missed it the first time round.;):D

[hagbard_celine]

Very good. :) I heard the same joke once with Catholics substituted in place of Christians.

It's brilliant either way!:D

[alexc]

This thread started on 01-06-2008, and the LHC has YET to run even a SINGLE experiment.

It's starting to look like the LHC is in fact just a money sink for contractors and scientists to milk. I don't think they EVER intended it to go live.

[wyndham]

It is interesting that the press is continually referring to 'cathedral' sized rooms for conducting the experiment - ritual?


http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=cern+cathedral

[trix]

http://io9.com/5380647/is-the-large-hadron-collider-being-sabotaged-from-the-future IMO :P

[dreamweaver]

It is interesting that the press is continually referring to 'cathedral' sized rooms for conducting the experiment - ritual?


http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=cern+cathedral

Interesting, but remember that many journalists just rehash press releases or older stories than come up with anything original.

I think that either a CERN press release or an early article about the LHC would have come up with the cathedral analogy for two reasons:
i) it's quite a handy way of describing that volume of space in a way that the average reader could relate to and
ii) it's a rather cheesy way of linking it to the search for the "God particle".

There's a very lemming-like tendency for journalists to rehash previous work rather than do their own original research, which is why I believe you see the continual "cathedral" references. There may be more to it than that, but journalists do this all the time (I used to be one myself).

[wyndham]

That is true but also revealing as to the ideas of the organization. They really think they are working on something symbolic...

[rhydra]

Large Hadron Collider = We are all gonna die! :eek:

[vetis]

This thread started on 01-06-2008, and the LHC has YET to run even a SINGLE experiment.

It's starting to look like the LHC is in fact just a money sink for contractors and scientists to milk. I don't think they EVER intended it to go live.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/11/24/tech-physics-large-hadron-collision.html

live and working.

[vetis]

It is interesting that the press is continually referring to 'cathedral' sized rooms for conducting the experiment - ritual?


http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=cern+cathedral

No more significant than using football pitches as measurements..something people can visualise mentally.

[tinyint]

Is there any french speaking folks in here?
I just found this (http://www.xinos.net/2009/11/30/was-hat-der-lhc-in-cern-mit-der-schweinegrippe-zu-tun/)...
It is in a german translation of „Le journal de Michel Dogna“, Nr. 75, October 2009. Can anyone confirm this?

[solve_et_coagula]

Is there any french speaking folks in here?
I just found this (http://www.xinos.net/2009/11/30/was-hat-der-lhc-in-cern-mit-der-schweinegrippe-zu-tun/)...
It is in a german translation of „Le journal de Michel Dogna“, Nr. 75, October 2009. Can anyone confirm this?

I would not recommend you to get vaccinated. By Christ you should get vaccinated, and working every day to yourself.

Neither Roche nor Novartis may be an appropriate substitute to vaccinate also suggests that we mistakenly think, our problems would vanish into thin air, only by getting vaccinated, and that will never be the case.

Thats called "name dropping", you mentioned a few famous names, and so says to make its message more salary to ...

There is no initiation or shift in consciousness by vaccination.

There is nothing like the work on ourselves for the kingdom of God and justice on earth :-)

[wyndham]

or connected to the idea of finding the god particle?

[tinyint]

I would not recommend you to get vaccinated. By Christ you should get vaccinated, and working every day to yourself.

Neither Roche nor Novartis may be an appropriate substitute to vaccinate also suggests that we mistakenly think, our problems would vanish into thin air, only by getting vaccinated, and that will never be the case.

Thats called "name dropping", you mentioned a few famous names, and so says to make its message more salary to ...

There is no initiation or shift in consciousness by vaccination.

There is nothing like the work on ourselves for the kingdom of God and justice on earth :-)

Well, I do not intend to take any vaccine, as sufficiently revealed
at theflucase (http://www.theflucase.com)

I just wanted to know, if there is indeed the french original article, since the german source tends to be quite questionable.
I just wanted to know if original and translation are the same.
In german, basically it is saying they were able to see into future.
They have supposedly seen humankind shifting, PTB loosing all their power. Didn't I hear that sort of thing at PC by that D.Burisch? :rolleyes:
That is why I posted the two names, to deconstruct. Feel free to do your research on them. :)

[ytch]

Is there any french speaking folks in here?
I just found this (http://www.xinos.net/2009/11/30/was-hat-der-lhc-in-cern-mit-der-schweinegrippe-zu-tun/)...
It is in a german translation of „Le journal de Michel Dogna“, Nr. 75, October 2009. Can anyone confirm this?

I wouldn´t trust this s(h)ite at all, just look at the banner;
Some cheaply done ufo´s and "Wir kommen in Frieden(We come in peace)"

The article itself sounds rather like creative writing
than from a scientist,
and overall, it smells like disinfo

Gonna have a look into some other articles on that site, for comparison..
The french version? Can´t say, lack of french...

Love & Laughter,

y

[tinyint]

Usually I do not quote myself...


I just wanted to know, if there is indeed the french original article, since the german source tends to be quite questionable.


:rolleyes:

[Ian2day]

What time is it going full power on Friday? Anyone know, as I may want to kiss my ass goodbye! lol :D

[alexc]

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/11/24/tech-physics-large-hadron-collision.html

live and working.

It supposedly did collisions that can be done by equipment that can run off a 220 volt line. I suppose you can call that "working."

It's a scam project, like Boston's "Big Dig." It's a money sink and they're going to string it along as long as they can. None of the "results" form this thing can be tested elsewhere, making it USELESS for the so-called "scientific method."

Funny how scientists toss reproducibility out the window when there's a buck to be made.