Large Hadron Collider

[largejack]

I never get tired of seeing that old shill inflammatory tactic.:rolleyes:

Why the hell are you a member of this forum boron? it's obvious by reading most of your posts, that your true intentions are negative. This guy comes out with a lot of immature disrespectful antagonistic comments most of time on here.

This rat is being added to my ignore list.;)

I don't know? It's the only place rats like these are in a minority ;)

[goldman]

I read that when they have it powered up, done some tests, and in about a few weeks from now, the real thing is going to happen, I calculated if they start this month and they create a blackhole, the blackhole will eat the earth completely by 2012. because it takes 4 - 5 years for a blackhole to grow so big that it eats up the earth. So if they start this month, they reach the deadline: 4.16 years.

Pretty coincidence?

[hirschfelder]

I was wondering. If this do-hickey is going to be “recreating the conditions just after the Big Bang", then isn't it going to create a whole new universe? What am I missing here, apart from maybe 100 or so IQ points necessary to understand this here scientificology?

Whatever the universe was like one billionth of a second after the Big Bang, it grew into what it is today, right? So how are they going to prevent the environment this thing creates from growing into a universe?

Am I wrong to take it so literally?

I watched the Horizon show on the BBC about it, but I'm still a bit puddled. The science fella presenting it said that this LHC thing could confirm as fact the theory of the Big Bang. But isn't there a logical anomoly at work in that they can prove the reality of something by simulating it?

And another science question. Doesn't a nuclear bomb work on the premise that if you smash an atom you release all its energy, which is massive? Don't these particles smashing each other up like mini-conkers create nuclear bomb sized explosions?

[grannymoose]

check this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7534862.stm

[baron von lotsov]

I never get tired of seeing that old shill inflammatory tactic.:rolleyes:

Why the hell are you a member of this forum boron? it's obvious by reading most of your posts, that your true intentions are negative. This guy comes out with a lot of immature disrespectful antagonistic comments most of time on here.

This rat is being added to my ignore list.;)

I don't have an ignore list.

This forum is turning to dust; I'm just trying to help bring about some common sense. Now answer this question. If cosmic rays have been hitting the earth's atmosphere since the beginning of time with energies far in excess of these protons and no black holes have swallowed up the earth, then what makes you think it will happen this time????????

[baron von lotsov]

You really think they wouldn't do it?;) Then you underestimate their malice, Baron.

I expect the reason they don't want this experiment to go ahead is it will prove their string theory to be the load of bollox that it really is. If you want to carry on believing in cults then that's your lookout, I'm fully behind experiment because without experiment you have no way of knowing what the truth is.

[cheeb]

3 Possible Scenarios

Are we all going to die next Wednesday?

Two nightmare scenarios, two ends of the world.

Scenario 1

In the first, there is little warning. For maybe a month there would be no sign that life was about to come to an abrupt and nasty end for all living things on Earth.

Then, earthquakes would start unexpectedly, alerting geologists that something terrible, unimaginable, was amiss.

After a few days, these seismic disturbances would reach catastrophic proportions.

Cities would be levelled, the oceans would rise and wash in a series of mega-tsunamis that would attack the world's coasts, killing millions.

Is the end of the world nigh? Doom-mongers fear the consequences of scientists replicating the Big Bang

The fact that the earthquakes were striking randomly, not along well-known geological faultlines, would be proof that something devastating was afoot.

Finally, the end would come, in a disaster of Biblical scale. The Earth would literally start to crack up.

Molten lava would wash over the land and the seas would start to boil.

Mega-hurricanes would level buildings and forests the world over. Eventually, mountains would crumble as the Earth's crust continued to disintegrate.

The fabric of the planet itself would start to disappear, trillions of tonnes of rock, water, air and life sucked into a whirlpool of unimaginable force.

From space, our blue-and-white home would appear to vanish down a plughole in a flash of light.

At least in this scenario we would have a little time, perhaps, to come to terms with the end.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7788/haldonco7.jpg

Scenario 2

However, a second doomsday scenario is even more terrifying. There would be no warning at all.

In an instant - about one-twentieth of a second - the entire Earth would simply vanish from space.

Less than two seconds later, the Moon would follow suit. Eight minutes later, the Sun would be ripped apart, followed by the rest of the planets in the solar system and onwards, a wave of destruction caused by a rent in the fabric of space itself, spreading out from our world at the speed of light.

Any extra-terrestrials out there would die too, in due course. And there would be nothing technology could do about it.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6476/hakdon1cy5.jpg

But why should we now be worrying about such possible causes of Armageddon?

The answer is a gargantuan machine - the largest, most expensive scientific experiment in history, the 'Large Hadron Collider', to be turned on next Wednesday.

Although it was designed to answer the fundamental questions of life, some people have claimed that it could end up destroying the entire cosmos.

Scenario 3

Particle Physicists have concluded that there is no measurable risk whatsoever. Perhaps the best argument against the LHC doomsday scenario is that cosmic rays - natural high-energy particles from space - smash into the Earth's atmosphere all the time with far, far more energy than will be generated by this machine.

If it were possible to create a dangerous black hole by simply bashing atomic particles together, this would have happened naturally long ago, and we wouldn't be here to build this particle accelerator in the first place. So we are safe.

:rolleyes:

[gordysmit]

This may be our event horizon "zero point"

[baron von lotsov]

Far out, but says who?? Although out there is this your own hypotheses or is it another persons?

The copy and pastes say so. You should hear what some scientists have to say about String Theory. One professor had a really apt description for it, he said it was postmodernist.

[baron von lotsov]

And if you don't know what that means you will have to rely on this copy and paste.

Postmodernism literally means 'after the modernist movement'. While "modern" itself refers to something "related to the present", the movement of modernism and the following reaction of postmodernism are defined by a set of perspectives. It is used in critical theory to refer to a point of departure for works of literature, drama, architecture, and design, as well as in marketing and business and the interpretation of history, law and culture in the late 20th century. Unfortunately, there is no authoritative definition yet.

Postmodernism is an aesthetic, literary, political or social philosophy, which was the basis of the attempt to describe a condition, or a state of being, or something concerned with changes to institutions and conditions (as in Giddens, 1990) as postmodernity. In other words, postmodernism is the "cultural and intellectual phenomenon", especially since the 1920s' new movements in the arts, while postmodernity focuses on social and political outworkings and innovations globally, especially since the 1960s in the West.

Merriam-Webster attempts to describe the term as either of, relating to, or being an era after a modern one or of, relating to, or being any of various movements in reaction to modernism that are typically characterized by a return to traditional materials and forms (as in architecture) or by ironic self-reference and absurdity (as in literature), or finally of, relating to, or being a theory that involves a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language.[1] The American Heritage Dictionary describes the term as Of or relating to art, architecture, or literature that reacts against earlier modernist principles, as by reintroducing traditional or classical elements of style or by carrying modernist styles or practices to extremes: “It [a roadhouse]is so architecturally interesting . . . with its postmodern wooden booths and sculptural clock” (Ruth Reichl, Cook's November 1989).[2]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

[pduffy4]

I don't believe in Black Holes after watching this video-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374

The video explains how the electrical nature of the Universe can explain things such as Black Holes and Pulsars etc...

Don't worry about the Earth being destroyed, you won't get off paying your bills that easily.

p.s. Project Camelot have a new web site http://projectavalon.net/ it is for people who want to live in communites that are self sufficient and has many very useful important links to current global events. Well worth a look and there is a forum.:)

[dangermouse]

Large Hadron Collider: What will it find? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/08/scicern208.xml)

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 08/09/2008

There is lot of feverish speculation about what will happen when the Large Hadron Collider starts humankind’s biggest effort ever to shed light on the fundamentals of the universe.

Will the Geneva-based effort reveal why most sub-atomic particles have mass (probably signalled by the appearance of something called the Higgs particle)? Will the vast experiment reveal why nature prefers matter over anti-matter? Will it overturn the Standard Model, a collection of theories that embodies all of our current understanding of fundamental particles and forces?
# Scientists receive death threats over 'end-of-world' experiment

The Telegraph polled the international leaders theoretical physics to give their best guesses about what the sub-atomic secrets the world is about to see unveiled...
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Nima Arkani-Hamed, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, USA:

'I've already bet a year's salary they will find the Higgs particle. There's also a pretty fair chance that they might observe some of the particles that make up the mysterious dark matter in the Universe. Such dark-matter particles may or may not have something to do with supersymmetry. My hunch is that there's a better than evens chance that supersymmetry will show up at the LHC, which would be good as it gives a 'natural' explanation of why gravity is so weak compared with the other fundamental forces. It is also possible that the LHC will shock us by showing that our conventional notions of what constitutes a 'natural explanation' are incorrect.'

Martin Veltman, Nobel Laureate University of Utrecht, Netherlands

'It would not surprise me if the experimenters don't find the Higgs particle. I don't trust the theory behind it. But if it does appear to show up, it will be crucial to check that it behaves as the theory predicts. I would be surprised if supersymmetry were found. I supported the idea when it was first suggested, but I've gradually lost confidence in it, though I might well be wrong. To be sure, if the LHC finds nothing to support supersymmetry, its advocates will just make excuses and keep using it. As for string theory, it's all mumbo jumbo, with no connection with experiment.'

Eva Silverstein, Stanford University, USA

'I'd be extremely puzzled if they don't find the Higgs, but wouldn't be devastated if they didn't come up with evidence for supersymmetry. Some of my intuition comes from string theory, an appealing candidate for a theory of all the forces of nature. According to many - perhaps most - versions of string theory, supersymmetry does not hold good at the energies probed by the LHC, so its discovery might require further explanation from this point of view. On the other hand, supersymmetry fits well with some existing observations, and it will be spectacular to finally learn whether it arises.'

John March-Russell, University of Oxford

'Quite part from the commonly touted LHC predictions, some possible discoveries might even revolutionize technology. For example, our quest for a source of almost unlimited climate-friendly energy might be answered by the creation of exotic unstable, but long-lived, charged particles. Rather like enzymes catalyze chemical reactions in the body, such exotic particles can efficiently catalyze nuclear fusion, obviating the need for the absurdly high temperatures necessary in conventional plasma fusion reactors and stars. It might also turn out that the number of space and time dimensions is ambiguous, rather as a conventional hologram is simultaneously both flat (two-dimensional) and three dimensional.'

Sir Chris Llewellyn-Smith, Director-General of CERN 1994-1999 Director of the UK Atomic Energy Authority, Culham

'My hunch is that a Higgs boson will be found (95% probability), and (with 60% probability) supersymmetry. I would only put 5% on more exotic discoveries. If nothing new were found (5% probability?), it would be a little embarrassing for me, who spent years promoting the LHC and getting it funded. Finding nothing would be very surprising and would force a radical rethink, which - if it led to deep new insights - could make it the most exciting outcome of all.'

Garrett Lisi, Freelance physicist, and "surfer dude" who came up with a new theory of everything.

The most likely result from the LHC is detection of a single Higgs particle. This Higgs is required to break the unified symmetry of electroweak forces into the separate electromagnetic and weak forces we see. Many physicists also think it likely that evidence will be found for supersymmetry, strings, or new dimensions -- but I disagree. If the LHC does see multiple new particles, my guess is these will be several different Higgs, compatible with the breaking of a unified symmetry of all forces existing at the smallest distances. Whatever the outcome, it will be very exciting to uncover nature's beauty at this tiny scale.

It will take a while to get the experiments underway about a year so I can quite easily say that the world will not end on sept 10. sorry to disappoint u all :p

[hirschfelder]

The copy and pastes say so. You should hear what some scientists have to say about String Theory. One professor had a really apt description for it, he said it was postmodernist.

I just watched the BBC special and the scientists on there seemed to think that this experiment may go some way to confirming string theory. They even predicted, amongst themselves, what the probability of this thing providing evidence of other dimensions might be (low probability by all accounts)

It's all way over my head tho

[badasscass]

i can't help but think that there's some kind of connection with oct. 14.
haven't found it yet tho.

[siliconpsychosis]

The date the Collider is switched on proper is interesting. The 10th of the 9th of the 8th.

The countdown begins.......

[siliconpsychosis]

Come to think of it, The picture of the Collider looks quite similar to the recent Spider installation in Liverpool.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00392/SPIDER_392598a.jpg


http://yeskarthi.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/0002.jpg

Known as La Princes it appeared in Liverpool on the 5th, 6th and 7th of September!

5 6 7 8 9 10!

[drael]

I predict 99.9% likely no higgs particles, mainstream quatum theory is clearly bunk (theres several phenomena it cant explain, zero point energy, effects at a distance etc).

Last time humanity did something like this the results were a total surprise.

String theory shouldnt be revealed, even at these energies..

...

Maybe this could be a mainstream discovery of the new physics - something leading to the cultural revolution of humanity....2012 (also wingmakers)...etc

Or the experiment could actually be "quatum" or holographic in its effect - several different effects occuring on different layers of reality. (splintering of reality as in law of one and 2012).

Or we could all die, of course.

[bradko2001]

[QUOTE=pduffy4;492345]I don't believe in Black Holes after watching this video-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374

Don't worry about the Earth being destroyed, you won't get off paying your bills that easily.


He Ha,That was an good 1!

[baron von lotsov]

I just watched the BBC special and the scientists on there seemed to think that this experiment may go some way to confirming string theory. They even predicted, amongst themselves, what the probability of this thing providing evidence of other dimensions might be (low probability by all accounts)

It's all way over my head tho


The link above your post has a Dutch scientist saying:
"As for string theory, it's all mumbo jumbo, with no connection with experiment.'"

[hirschfelder]

The link above your post has a Dutch scientist saying:
"As for string theory, it's all mumbo jumbo, with no connection with experiment.'"

This documentary (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dccnr/), from about 49 mins, is devoted to string theory and the LHC.

One of the scientists working on the LHC refers to it as "the best candidate for a theory on everything", being as the standard model of particle physics is unable to resolve itself with relativity whereas string theory, apparently, can

It's pretty interesting stuff, Baron. Give it a watch. Don't form your opinions based on one isolated quote.

[baron von lotsov]

Don't form your opinions based on one isolated quote.

I don't. Back in the mid-eighties I was at Manchester University physics department. Even then they thought it was a load of bollox and it still has not had anything experimental to verify it with. Your link is BBC, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation!

[cleopatraxxx]

...BBC, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation!

LOL
thats a nice one! hahaha

[hirschfelder]

I don't. Back in the mid-eighties I was at Manchester University physics department. Even then they thought it was a load of bollox and it still has not had anything experimental to verify it with. Your link is BBC, the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation!

Yeah but the people on the BBC documentary are scientists actually working on this thing

I'm not arguing about the thing itself, I haven't got a Scooby Do what it's all about, I was just pointing out that the LHC experiment is expected to shed light on string theory, according to some scientists on the job

I was trying to be helpful!

[baron von lotsov]

I was trying to be helpful!

So was I.

[lisaw]

sorry if this has been mentioned , but i read in the sunday mail, that if anything were to happen it could take up to four years, funny that, four years, 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!, god my nerves are bad as it is, so if we do live past wednesday, we still haven't got much longer:eek:

[cleopatraxxx]

i can't help but think that there's some kind of connection with oct. 14.
haven't found it yet tho.

while going through all the posts, i was also wondering if it had any relation with that date

[krakhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

[phaid]

I suppose the only way they could have made this event more cynical was to push forward the date by a day...

[hunger]

I suppose the only way they could have made this event more cynical was to push forward the date by a day...

9/11 Hmmm what is the time difference between new york & switzerland...

EDIT: switzerlamd is 6 hours ahead of new york

don't worry I have no idea where I'm going with this either!

[phaid]

9/11 Hmmm what is the time difference between new york & switzerland...

Erm, the Swiss are probably about 8/9 hours ahead of NYC.

[hunger]

Erm, the Swiss are probably about 8/9 hours ahead of NYC.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=1

no they're not :p

[phaid]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=1

no they're not :p

OK about 6 hours ahead then, maths was never my strong subject - doesn't anti-matter my friend, we're all gonna disappear on Wednesday.
See you in the next Universe....

[hunger]

OK about 6 hours ahead then, maths was never my strong subject - doesn't anti-matter my friend, we're all gonna disappear on Wednesday.
See you in the next Universe....

Ha ha! ok mate, take a towel & "Don't Panic" ;):)

[_invisibleplane_]

From Peggy Kane..take it for what its worth

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2008/09/07/will-cern-lhc-really-go-off-eve-the-mother-comes-forward/


Will CERN LHC Really Go Off? Eve, The Mother, Comes Forward.

Here are two videos that I am reversing. In both cases, the scientifically-oriented speakers are telling us that the CERN Large Hadron Collider is nothing to be concerned about.

In the first video, the rather arrogant “engineeringmind” individual is making jokes and speaking condescendingly to people who don’t have a science background. He is making light of the whole experiment and trying his best to be a comedian.

Here is the link to his video:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AIBTCeule6s

You will notice that I chose speakers who are enthusiastic about the CERN experiment and may certainly in their conscious minds believe that it is safe. Their reversals are completely different. RS does not parrot what we believe. It is not feeding back to us that which we desire to hear. It is the real-deal truth serum.

The 3-d scientific data may promote this experiment as being completely safe. The people working on it may feel consciously that they have covered all of their bases and that nothing can go wrong. What they probably don’t understand is that this machine has been refitted and reworked by the reptilians at some point and is now a potential bomb waiting to heat up our environment and cause massive death.

This information was covered in the last series of articles and reversals here on this site and now in the “Space” category. But because the LHC is scheduled to start up on Wed. Sept. 10, I was very interested in hearing the newest information.

Still the scientists continue to tell us what a nightmare this collider really is in reverse.

Here is how this oh, so intelligent engineer (I guess he’s an engineer) contradicts himself in reverse:

Reverse:

And they can choke us all (Choke is probably referring to the air being heated.)

and-they-can-choke-us-all


Reverse:

A grenade, seed, but heated. (This is not just a particle collider, but a weapon.)

a-grenade-seed-but-heated

Reverse:

See, delivers hot with that.


Reverse:

Owl was to fit it. (It could also be hell was to fit it. My interpretation is that this collider has been “fitted” to create a heated environment.) (For new people, owl is the most common metaphor for the reptilians.)

owl-was-to-fit-it


Reverse:

You will see it all, help. (This will not be allowed to happen and we will have a lot of help stopping it. There will be more about this later.)


Reverse:

You’re off, seeing the One.




This next video is John Ellis, Theoretical Physicist who is answering questions and again reassuring everyone of the safety of the LHC.

Here is that video link

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=o4C8WeAAjN8

Here is his forward audio in two parts:

john-ellis-theoretical-physicist-1

john-ellis-theoretical-physicist-2


Reverse:

Easy made the fix, bastard. (As in the previous reversals Dr. Ellis is telling us that the collider has been manipulated.)



Reverse:

I was sure a slave. (I thought at first it was asleep but after listening a few times, settled on a slave. I’m sure the scientists were very brutally manipulated.)



Reverse:

It’s in the meds. Get ease, you need it. (Antidepressants?)


Reverse:

Soon awful. (Projecting what would happen.)


Reverse:

Talk it up, say hurts us hear me shout. (He is being forced whether he knows it or not consciously to be a PR person for the agenda.)

talk-it-up-say-hurts-us-hear-me-shout

Reverse:

Get help with this. (Hoping it will be stopped.)



Reverse:

This isn’t fun, watching the day. (Date approaching and this man is hurting.)


His reversals soon change:

Reverse:

War, hold the whip. (The reps have been feeling the whip during this Astral war which started in April.)


Reverse:

Those visit help, at ease, redeem me now. (He seems to be feeling more confident. It sounds like he’s had some spiritual visitors.)


In these next reversals, we hear about the Mother, Eve, and Queen. We have heard over and over about the One being referred to as masculine. We all realize that the One is both masculine and feminine and in the past, the reversals have alluded to the One being divided and that the feminine is very involved in this war, but more behind the scenes. That is how I’ve interpreted it.

I also believe that the term Eve is more than just a feminine metaphor as David Oates believes, nor just a Pleiadian astronaut, but is possibly the female manifestation of the One.

Reverse:

Eve see a net, fought.


Reverse:

Eve makes it (Reversal continues…)

Reverse:

Connecting gets the net up. (The masculine and feminine side connect.)


Reverse:

And sees the Queen help.


Reverse:

Who has the stick? Yell Mother.

We had heard the One say that He was divided. I believe this refers to His feminine counterpart being engaged in the battle but in secret.

Reverse:

Quiet, her lip.


Reverse:

Mother was favored.



Reverse:

God needed Eve back.



Reverse:

He is united.



Reverse:

Lots of work, save, see arrogant imposter. (This was a major effort to clean out the mess without harming Earth life. The imposters, all of those reptilians pretending to be God.)


Reverse:

Washed up was an alien.


Reverse:

Need to become a surgeon (continues)

Reverse:

And get the net. (The net will be carefully cut so as not to cause more fear.)

Reverse:

He had to save you.

Reverse:

Yell, Father who is for you.

I think these reversals say it all. The love of the Father and Mother who are working together to help us out of this reptilian-controlled net. I send my love to the One, united and to all of us here who are on assignment.

[sharpiesix]

I always thought 10/9/08 seemed like a countdown. :) Well its tomorrow!

[duckingdafta]

tomorrow at 4:20 I want everyone to toke!.. hold it.. and say...

"man that was some ride!"

[duckingdafta]

funny thought... have you ever heard the saying
"when I go, I'm taking you with me"

looks like to some theories... it might be the case...:D

[bwstaircase89]

Anyone know the exact time that LHC is supposed to "do it's thing" I think I'll smoke a massive amount of weed an hour before that. Yeah, that'll work.

[bwstaircase89]

"Of course the world won't end during the circulation of proton beams, or at the lower packet-pulse initial collisions either!"

-some random post I found :)

I don't think we will get sucked in on Wednesday because there isn't going to be any collisions except for the particle stream hitting the random air particle in the "tube." It's a vacuum inside.

REMEMBER: If this is a Gottendammerung Manuever, that means that we WON, and the illuminati lost. It is our victory if they destroy the earth. We will be free.

Remember that.

On the other hand they might be making a stargate to bring forth aliens for the invasion. Or they could use this as an exit strategy!

Patrick

[siliconpsychosis]

21 12 2012 lies exactly 1564 days after the Hadron monster gets switched on.

1564 days is also 4 years, 3 months and 12 days.

4 x 3 x 12 equals 144

144 is the 12th Fibonacci number.

144 is also a dozen dozens.

[bwstaircase89]

21 12 2012 lies exactly 1564 days after the Hadron monster gets switched on.

1564 days is also 4 years, 3 months and 12 days.

4 x 3 x 12 equals 144

144 is the 12th Fibonacci number.

144 is also a dozen dozens.

Holy crap that is awesome, four more years of expecting doom! Whoo hoo!

Check this out guys, but don't take it seriously (read disclaimer at bottom):

http://1stedition.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/miniblackhole/#comments

lol

[friendsinthesky]

Ok, maybe it will bring about the 'new world religion'..?

[drael]

If negative energy creation is their goal, the possible outcomes are beyond the reaches of mainstream science to even guess. We know nothing of bending space really, apart from the russian science, new physics...

If its a stargate which brings higher dimensions closer, like the theorized colliders in atlantis, then this could be a very anti-nwo project. Or it could be a sort of "reality splintering", to seperate the awakened from the sheep into seperate versions of earth?

Anyone know details of funding?

Also, is there any unusual geometric/math elements to the project?

Facinating thing is, no one will be able to stop it now, because academics are authority figures!

And being sucked into a black hole could be an interesting, somewhat epic way to die...!

[hagbard_celine]

I expect the reason they don't want this experiment to go ahead is it will prove their string theory to be the load of bollox that it really is. If you want to carry on believing in cults then that's your lookout, I'm fully behind experiment because without experiment you have no way of knowing what the truth is.


Baron you don't fully grasp the mentality of the Illuminati. A number of them must know by now that the game is up. It would be completely in line with their attitude to carry out a Gotterdammerung action of some kind; the more destructive the better!:eek: What could be more destructive than turning the Earth into a black hole or Strange Star?

[hagbard_celine]

Come to think of it, The picture of the Collider looks quite similar to the recent Spider installation in Liverpool.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00392/SPIDER_392598a.jpg


http://yeskarthi.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/0002.jpg

Known as La Princes it appeared in Liverpool on the 5th, 6th and 7th of September!

5 6 7 8 9 10!


OOOH!:eek: Well spotted!:cool:

The Atlas Spider!

Wasn't Atlas the bloke who held the world on his shoulders? Hmm what's the significance of that?

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

I've written another verse::D;)

And after all that rest of our work is complete
We'll discover about the few things that have slipped under our feet.
Mini black holes cluster down in the Earth
At the core of the planet they go and give birth
To a greedy, gobbling monster that no one can stop
That eats up and feeds on our homeworld's rock cold and hot.

And then there's the strangelets, and real strange they are
They start a chain reaction and spreads really far
Converting ever single atom in this planets makeup
Until all that's left's a Quark Star just a bland ball of stuff.

[hagbard_celine]

Here's what the Currant Bun has to say on the subject:rolleyes::

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/article1660207.ece

And an older story, and a factually innaccurate one, even if Wagner and Rossler are correct:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/article1630897.ece

[hagbard_celine]

Don't forget the start-up on Wednesday!

According to the CERN webcast page it's due to begin at 9 AM CEST. I assume that means Central European Standard Time, or British Summer Time plus one hour. So that will be 8 AM by our clocks.

Here's the CERN podcast page:

http://webcast.cern.ch/upcoming.py

See you there!:cool::cool:

[duckingdafta]

Anyone know the exact time that LHC is supposed to "do it's thing" I think I'll smoke a massive amount of weed an hour before that. Yeah, that'll work.

That'll be "Far Out Man".. no it won't!... yes it will!.... how big is a hole?
half the size of a hole is still a whole hole... man we're doomed.. I'm will you..

what time do we skin-up?:D

[hagbard_celine]

From Peggy Kane..take it for what its worth

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2008/09/07/will-cern-lhc-really-go-off-eve-the-mother-comes-forward/

I doubt if reverse speech will ever be an exact science; the scandal of the Beatles' Sergeant Pepper LP and the Judas Priest lawsuit showed that. However, it was discovered long ago by Freud and Jung that subconscious thouhts manifest in our open behavior without our knowledge, often in the most amazing ways. This is what the "Freudian slip" is, as a most common example. Research into how the brain picks up subliminals shows that its subconcious cogitative and perceptive powers far outstrip its conscious thought and ego-state.

But this doesn't mean that Cox is part of the LHC conspiracy! Not at all! It could be that during his interview, the debate over the safety concerns of the LHC might have been on his mind as he was talking, and that this manifested in his outward behavior as the reverse speech that the above blogger detected.

[hagbard_celine]

That'll be "Far Out Man".. no it won't!... yes it will!.... how big is a hole?
half the size of a hole is still a whole hole... man we're doomed.. I'm will you..

what time do we skin-up?:D


Nothing like an apocalypse to inspire a party eh, even if it is delayed a few years!:D

I've got some beers in the fridge ready for tommorrow morning. I'll be online from about 7 AM. :cool:

[drael]

Okay for anyone that thinks the standard model of physics is without challenge, check out : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics

Theres about 14 different models of quatum physics + several different versions of string theory (actually many) + torsion/scalar theory as well as a few zero-point models. And thats as far as i know, there may be even more good fitting mathematical models and ones that havent been thought of yet.

ONE of them predicts higgs-boson particles. One theory in many many many possibilities.

And those black holes that might form, are dissipated by a THEORECTICAL radition that has never been proved or observed, only worked out in math.

the hubris of the copenhagen theorists! expecting to find higgs boson is absurb, considering the large number of holes that already exist in the "standard" theory, and how many solid, and yes better fitting, alternatives there are.

Supersymmtery, well maybe, string theory is pretty good but its supposed to require massive energy to test.

Most high level physics is ALL theory, by its very nature in fact. The scientists are basically praying for a miracle IMO.

Higgs boson, copenhagen theory and hawkings radiation can kiss my ass. Actually IMO, chances are, the collider will prove them wrong, which could be great for the progress of science.

Weve been stuck on that model for years. There are alternatives that are already fully unified theories, like string theory, torsion theory, bohms theory etc. The whole mentality is outmoded IMO, falling back on old ideas of physicality in the face of dimensional or energy effects, like effects at a distance, zero-point energy and more.

I had to comment on the science, the obvious bias of modern scientists in this instance cannot be ignored. Its almost laughable, were it not for other scientists prediciting black holes and weird problems.

That said, the mysteries of the universe IMO, will _never_ be solved by science. Knowledge is like a flashlight in the dark, proof can never be certain. This is part of basic scientific theory, so its hard to understand why scientists always think they can come up with a final theory that cannot be disproven. Thats impossible, by the nature of science. Its like the quest for the holy grail, or religion, its quite irrational.

If u can look out into the stars, and say wow instead of ....i must know how big it is, or where it came from, ur a million million steps ahead of these cretens, and their curiosity killed the cat, quest for the impossible mentality.

So i predict:

Most likely outcome: Supersymetry, or other energy/dimensional/space/time type effects not at all consistant with popular modern science. Further understanding of negative energy (which they do predict). May lead closer to a bitter fitting theory, presumably one of the existing unified theories, or a new one. Some of these theories posit other dimensions, conciousness effecting reality and more. People suspect torsion physics has been suppressed for ages. Maybe they could just photoshop a picture of protons colliding, and pretend they found bosons. If u dont see it with ur own eye, like u can with an atom in electron microscope, it could be all faked, easy. If they find higgs, i expect tech spin-offs and new fits of explaination or im not buying.

Second most likely: Strange particles, black holes and possibly time/space distortions. Who knows, we are talking about the begining of universe conditions. In string theory, its often posited that the "macro" dimensions unfolded at that time, from the micro dimensions. Even in string theory, the results could be weird. Possibly end of the world, but more certainly unpredictable, since no-one knows what model of physics the universe actually has.....

[luke1721]

The problem with the so-called standard theory is that the observations do not match the predictions. Physicist have to use mathematical trickery to get themselves out of the holes they have dug. Hawkings himself calls it sleight of hand. They also have to invent more exotic phenomena like Dark Matter, Dark Energy etc
Another model that inspires me with more confidence is the Electric Universe theory which you can read about here:


http://www.holoscience.com/

At least with this theory the observations match the predictions!

[stuntman]

all it would take is a few little bolts to not be screwed in properly and then...

[duckingdafta]

it's to switch this on maybe..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2301756762339435723

[burnzy]

Maybe going through a black hole won't kill us ? :O..

[cleopatraxxx]

Baron you don't fully grasp the mentality of the Illuminati. A number of them must know by now that the game is up. It would be completely in line with their attitude to carry out a Gotterdammerung action of some kind; the more destructive the better!:eek: What could be more destructive than turning the Earth into a black hole or Strange Star?

the illuminati cannot destroy earth. they need to feed off our energy. without us they are nothing

[lisaw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI
sorry again if this has been posted, but this was on the bbc a while back and worried me back then

[them]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3iryBLZCOQ

Illuminating :)

[steevo]

Today I saw a bunch of kids on bikes on the street shouting to adults "is the world gonna end tomorrow ?" :cool: The kids were about 10 years old.

[cleopatraxxx]

Today I saw a bunch of kids on bikes on the street shouting to adults "is the world gonna end tomorrow ?" :cool: The kids were about 10 years old.

i wonder what their parent were talking about for them to wonder about shouting such sentences, LOL

.. no world is going to end, i can assure you that... as someone said, we cant escape our payments (karmic debts) so easily...

[rixxmixxhell]

I'd love that when i gets going it somehow exposes all the dark souls and agendas in a innate, natural instinct in all peoples everywhere and at that time realize all the agendas and real history in a instant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thus, when we wake up on Thursday, no one will go to work, no one will pay the fake money to a fake debt, no one will buy their products and no one will no longer see themselves a separate or not part of the worldly happenings....

Well, this is what i perceive, i see earth wrapped up in nice soft, warm golden light in pure balanced love and fulfilment with all beings within and without the atmosphere as completely fulfilled with just ''being''. The meet eaters will no longer be plagued by the diet they were forced to except, the lamb will live in peace, and seek humans to play with, as with the lion too.

People will open their doors again, others will make stalls out side their houses to swap nick-naks and the kids will make lemonade. Skips will be placed in areas for people to dispose of their T.TV's, and sports day will be free.

No one will no longer give you dirty looks when your walking around your local forests looking for newts and beetles, instead, they will talk with you, and not move away and call the police to report a lad in a forest with no dog = he musts of rapped and killed a girl........why else would he be in a forest with no dog!?!?!?!

We will remove all council fences and signs saying ''no ball games aloud'' and make grassed areas for neighbours to sit and hang out.....and pick-nick whilst watching their dogs all playing excitedly and enthusiastically say, awww, how cute.

Well, we can all dream huh.

Nope, no end of the world for me. Mother Earth laughs at this. She loves how her homeads humans are so childlike, and can't see how the darkness and lies never last.

Rick

[baron von lotsov]

Today I saw a bunch of kids on bikes on the street shouting to adults "is the world gonna end tomorrow ?" :cool: The kids were about 10 years old.



They sound like a lot of people on this thread. Prepared to take on trust anything anyone tells them.

[steevo]

They sound like a lot of people on this thread. Prepared to take on trust anything anyone tells them.

Thanks for your insight there Baron. Very useful.

[krakhead]

http://www.cainer.com/

and now for something comepletely different.... The Large Hadron Collider

The first particle beam will go hurtling round the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland some time this morning. Actual collisions will not start till October, but today clearly brings an official beginning. A moment of 'now' that contains the seed of many more moments to come. This scientific experiment is moving from gestation to birth. It is emerging as a Virgo with Saturn in Virgo, the Moon and Jupiter in Capricorn plus a conjunction of Mercury, Venus and Mars in Libra. I have to concede that the horoscope does not look menacing. Indeed, it appears oddly benign and auspicious!

:)

[bwstaircase89]

I don't think this LHC is going to destroy the world, not on the 10th at least;
for these reasons:

1. The Illuminati could be testing this particle accel. to use as a Gottundammerung Manuver in the future if their NWO plans don't go so well. The Illuminati have alot going for them now: World War III is on the brink, US economy is going down the toilet, warnings of dirty bomb attacks, some even say Martial Law will be enacted on Sept. 30.

2. The science argument, all they are going to do Wednesday is send a stream of particles around the circular thingy. The stream might not even hold because of miscalibrations or the magnets being off center. This is at a low evergy level, nowhere near enough to cause a micro blackhole. Other particle accellorators have reached the level they are going to experiment with on the 10th. And we are still here!

3. They have alot more experiments to do, one in October, and one in either 2009 or 2012 that is supposed to be full power crashing of lead protons. This is the point where they scientists have said they are in uncharted waters.

4. This all could be simple FEARMONGERING! Scenario: They do the experiment and then tell the American public that their is a micro black hole eating the earth, it will consume the earth in four years. Of course in this scenario there really is no black hole. Widespread fear? Yes. Chaos? Oh yeah. Excuse to bring about Martial Law? Definetely.

5. Could be a stargate, for alien invasion.

6. The stargate theme could be used as a deception to make people think that aliens or demons are attacking the earth. A way to induce fear, chaos!

Enjoy and discuss :)

Patrick

[lottie]

http://www.cainer.com/



:)

Yeah i meant to post that Krackster... have you noticed how he's been banging on about it everyday for the last few weeks now?:rolleyes: Ive also noticed (as the guys at work always have various newspapers) how they're ALL covered in stories about the LHC.

[steevo]

I don't think this LHC is going to destroy the world, not on the 10th at least;
for these reasons:

1. The Illuminati could be testing this particle accel. to use as a Gottundammerung Manuver in the future if their NWO plans don't go so well. The Illuminati have alot going for them now: World War III is on the brink, US economy is going down the toilet, warnings of dirty bomb attacks, some even say Martial Law will be enacted on Sept. 30.

2. The science argument, all they are going to do Wednesday is send a stream of particles around the circular thingy. The stream might not even hold because of miscalibrations or the magnets being off center. This is at a low evergy level, nowhere near enough to cause a micro blackhole. Other particle accellorators have reached the level they are going to experiment with on the 10th. And we are still here!

3. They have alot more experiments to do, one in October, and one in either 2009 or 2012 that is supposed to be full power crashing of lead protons. This is the point where they scientists have said they are in uncharted waters.

4. This all could be simple FEARMONGERING! Scenario: They do the experiment and then tell the American public that their is a micro black hole eating the earth, it will consume the earth in four years. Of course in this scenario there really is no black hole. Widespread fear? Yes. Chaos? Oh yeah. Excuse to bring about Martial Law? Definetely.

5. Could be a stargate, for alien invasion.

6. The stargate theme could be used as a deception to make people think that aliens or demons are attacking the earth. A way to induce fear, chaos!

Enjoy and discuss :)

Patrick

Your theories seem logical when you look at the mindset that we are dealing with here. Thanks Patrick.

7. Maybe it's all just a cover for the REAL experiment that they are doing down there.

[lottie]

My best guess is similar to what someone said the other day- i think its being used as a way to introduce the alien invasion this- project bluebeam etc....the LHC is all high profile news right now.

They want to get it into peoples minds so when they admit the ufo's or use the 'invasion' fear tactic to push us into martial law etc it'll be coz of "that darn'd LHC they created - it didnt end the world in a black hole like we said- it let aliens in as if acting as a stargate!"

It's probably all just tin foil, yogurt pots and bottle-tops stuck together!! :D

[dangermouse]

well its going to be covered on rte
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0909/cern.html

im sure they mean Wednesday 10th:rolleyes:

on the schedule
10:30 Visit by videoconference to Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, near Chicago, Illinois, USA. Fermilab, which contributes to construction and operation of the LHC and CMS experiment, will host a pajama party in the middle of the night for scientists, media, VIPs and members of the public to follow the events at CERN live as they happen.

[bwstaircase89]

CERN's logo is 666.

Not quite. If you look at it closely there are other parts that would make "66666" if you want to get into symbolism. Five sixes...ooh evil.

The logo is supposed to represent the path of particles.

[bendelapidate]

Bizarrely enough, in 2001 a medium laid his hands on me so I could see what he could see. I saw the massive tunnels with all the cables and pipes in it - the exact images we are now seeing on the news right now. This thing is supposed to be 100 miles circumference and is buried 100metres down. Could be the energy generator for all the new fibre optic rings that have been laid in the last 10 years - all built in rings strangely enough. What do these particles really do and what is the real agenda behind spending billions on building it? This sort of money wouldn't be spent if it wasn't to achieve something spectacular either in terms of reality or control.

[duckingdafta]

I forgot I recorded this..
http://audioo.com/t/collider-wma/05ff9beb3169c55/

[siliconpsychosis]

Some anagrams of the words 'Hadron Collider'....

Hadron Dice Roll

Heroic Landlord

Draco Drone Hill

Lord Charon Lied

Arch Lord Leonid

Alien Chord Lord

Arnold Chloride

Hard Cell Indoor

[bwstaircase89]

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but, last time I checked the Illuminati were winning right?

They've got the FEMA camps set up
They've got the Codex Al.. whatever in Canada
The NAU and NAFTA superhighway coming
They've started heavily censoring the internet
They've got the election (they are going to cancel) in November

So much in the future, and after thousands of years and hard work controlling us, their just gonna give up like that? Nah.

Patrick

[drael]

It is emerging as a Virgo with Saturn in Virgo, the Moon and Jupiter in Capricorn plus a conjunction of Mercury, Venus and Mars in Libra. I have to concede that the horoscope does not look menacing. Indeed, it appears oddly benign and auspicious!

Hmmm. This ties into to the altantis stargate idea possibly, that it could a bridge to higher dimensions. What little i was able to find out about funding, theres a few corporates involved. Theres always been talk of "grey hats", an elite minority who actually work for a different more positive agenda (this is mentioned several dif sources). If they started the project low-key, and covered their arses, by the time its in the media, the actual elite wouldnt be able to do much without provoking major changes in society away from their control religion science. Just an idea, but i guess its one that appeals, and ties in to more favourable 2012 type senarios. Of course, even lifting the earth into higher 4d reality wouldnt be bad for the ptb, because most people would be unaware of what it really means, or what has changed - and the magickal abilities and control abilities of the elite would get stronger. The law of one mentions the "harvest" or ascension would be small.

Check the LHC = stargate = altantis thread for info on the theoretical atlantian collider.

I love wild conjecture anyway. Even if it kills us all, the LHC will provide us all for some fun over the next few years.

[prodigy_x]

I know that their stated intentions at CERN are to discover this 'Higgs Boson', but you don't put that kind of money and time into something just to see a couple of particles smash against each other.

Something more is going on.

[bwstaircase89]

I just read a theory that states the Illuminati are the Illuminated and want to Illuminate us through the LHC by inducing EGO DEATH. HUH?

[hagbard_celine]

the illuminati cannot destroy earth. they need to feed off our energy. without us they are nothing


But if it came to a choice:

1. Defeat at the hands of humanity and humanity living a free world with the knoweledge that we'd won.

2. Destroy the Earth completely and take us down with them (Gotterdammerung).

This is the choice they now face and some of them will be aware of that. They'll choose 2 everey day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[nothingspecial]

so have they activated the beam yet? their live webcast appears to be taking pretty heavy hit.. its trying to load for me, but no video

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3iryBLZCOQ

Illuminating :)

I've written another verse, one that they'd never put in::D;)

And after all that rest of our work is complete
We'll discover about the few things that have slipped under our feet.
Mini black holes cluster down in the Earth
At the core of the planet they go and give birth
To a greedy, gobbling monster that no one can stop
That eats up and feeds on our homeworld's rock cold and hot.

And then there's the strangelets, and real strange they are
They start a chain reaction and spreads really far
Converting ever single atom in this planets makeup
Until all that's left's a Quark Star just a bland ball of stuff

[hagbard_celine]

so have they activated the beam yet? their live webcast appears to be taking pretty heavy hit.. its trying to load for me, but no video

Yeah, I'm having that problem too. I've tried both players.

I'll try again later. I've a feeling we may have to watch the recording.:(

[hunger]

so have they activated the beam yet? their live webcast appears to be taking pretty heavy hit.. its trying to load for me, but no video

can't see a thing either :(

[hagbard_celine]

I don't think this LHC is going to destroy the world, not on the 10th at least;
for these reasons:

1. The Illuminati could be testing this particle accel. to use as a Gottundammerung Manuver in the future if their NWO plans don't go so well. The Illuminati have alot going for them now: World War III is on the brink, US economy is going down the toilet, warnings of dirty bomb attacks, some even say Martial Law will be enacted on Sept. 30.

2. The science argument, all they are going to do Wednesday is send a stream of particles around the circular thingy. The stream might not even hold because of miscalibrations or the magnets being off center. This is at a low evergy level, nowhere near enough to cause a micro blackhole. Other particle accellorators have reached the level they are going to experiment with on the 10th. And we are still here!

3. They have alot more experiments to do, one in October, and one in either 2009 or 2012 that is supposed to be full power crashing of lead protons. This is the point where they scientists have said they are in uncharted waters.

4. This all could be simple FEARMONGERING! Scenario: They do the experiment and then tell the American public that their is a micro black hole eating the earth, it will consume the earth in four years. Of course in this scenario there really is no black hole. Widespread fear? Yes. Chaos? Oh yeah. Excuse to bring about Martial Law? Definetely.

5. Could be a stargate, for alien invasion.

6. The stargate theme could be used as a deception to make people think that aliens or demons are attacking the earth. A way to induce fear, chaos!

Enjoy and discuss :)

Patrick

To 1. I'd say that this is not the case at all. The growing war and terror etc is a symptom of how desperate they are. The fact that the War on Terror is progresing so slowly and is meeting such fierce opposition may be one of the things that convinced them to go ahead with the LHC.

2. and 3.: Of course this is what the media don't get. This first test will be carried out at very low power and it's bound to have some glitches that need ironing out. If the LHC is going to destroy the Earth it won't do it today. We may need to wait at least 5 to 10 years, probably longer.

4. Agreed! Any excuse for fear will do and in the lower echelons of the Illuminati this may well be the programme they are introducing.

5. That's another strong possibility.

6. Part of the fake alien invasion scenario. Maybe, especially if it happens strasight away before the LHC has reached fuill power, so that it couldn't really do it.

[hagbard_celine]

can't see a thing either :(

Too many hits. Damn! Should have got up earlier!:mad::rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah i meant to post that Krackster... have you noticed how he's been banging on about it everyday for the last few weeks now?:rolleyes: Ive also noticed (as the guys at work always have various newspapers) how they're ALL covered in stories about the LHC.

It's all round my daughter's school at the moment. I actually lied to her yesterday and told her I wasn't worried. As I said to you a while ago, Lottie, when I was a kid these sorts of things completely screwed my head up!:(

[captaincaper]

its live on sky propaganda channel 501 (uk satellite)

[hunger]

Too many hits. Damn! Should have got up earlier!:mad::rolleyes:

It says keep refreshing the page, but nowt happens...It's probably just a video they made in hollywood months ago anyway ;):)

[hagbard_celine]

My best guess is similar to what someone said the other day- i think its being used as a way to introduce the alien invasion this- project bluebeam etc....the LHC is all high profile news right now.

They want to get it into peoples minds so when they admit the ufo's or use the 'invasion' fear tactic to push us into martial law etc it'll be coz of "that darn'd LHC they created - it didnt end the world in a black hole like we said- it let aliens in as if acting as a stargate!"

It's probably all just tin foil, yogurt pots and bottle-tops stuck together!! :D

That could be, as I said to BWStaircase. Beware of things happening before the machine has reached full power!:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

well its going to be covered on rte
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0909/cern.html

im sure they mean Wednesday 10th:rolleyes:

on the schedule


Thanks, mate!:) Tune in everyone before it gets jammed!:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

It's on radio 4 too:cool::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/

[moonshine]

It's on radio 4 too:cool::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/

Thanks for the link.:o

I found this funny:

End of the world parties for Large Hadron Collider launch
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324047-2,00.html

:D

[captaincaper]

its also live on sky propaganda channel 501 (uk satellite)

[hagbard_celine]

First beams in! I saw the flash of it.:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for the link.:o

I found this funny:

End of the world parties for Large Hadron Collider launch
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24324047-2,00.html

:D


There's nothing like an apocalypse to inspire parties!:D

[hagbard_celine]

I can see Ross Hemsworth:D.

Hey Ross! Give us a wave!:cool:

[nothingspecial]

Is there any set date for when they are colliding particles?

[captaincaper]

I hope it dont suck us up right away I havent had my breakfast yet :rolleyes:

[deafbred]

im watching it now

got court 6 hours

some of them look like their about to welcome satan into the world

i think they might love science to much

[hagbard_celine]

Is there any set date for when they are colliding particles?

They just say "October to November". And the first collisions will only be at very low power. It will be months, at least, before the machine is running at full power.

[hagbard_celine]

I hope it dont suck us up right away I havent had my breakfast yet :rolleyes:


Get your cornflakes down quick!;)

Nah, see my post above.:cool:

[clozaril]

cainer says it's going to be ok ....... i'll go with that

edit the only thing to 'worry' about is the grid - all the computers linked together sharing power

[hagbard_celine]

edit the only thing to 'worry' about is the grid - all the computers linked together sharing power


Hmm "Internet 3":confused::eek:

[deafbred]

hopefully their windows xp doesn't crash

[hagbard_celine]

Some anagrams of the words 'Hadron Collider'....

Hadron Dice Roll



This is the most appropriate.:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

They sound like a lot of people on this thread. Prepared to take on trust anything anyone tells them.

Oh, Baron. You really don't understand their mentality do you?:(:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

cainer says it's going to be ok ....... i'll go with that



The astrology is comforting I must say:).

[hagbard_celine]

They're at Point 7 already!:eek: What's the rush? Are they worried someone will put a stop to them?:confused:

[moonshine]

This is the most appropriate.:eek:;)

More Anagrams on the Large Hadron Collider:

A Recharged Drill Loon

A Anchored Drill Ogler

:D

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Large+Hadron+Collider+&t=1000

[clozaril]

They're at Point 7 already!:eek: What's the rush? Are they worried someone will put a stop to them?:confused:

maybe they will bring the particle smashing in earlier than october ?

[hagbard_celine]

maybe they will bring the particle smashing in earlier than october ?


They may want to get their Gotterdammerung in before someone, alien or human, gets to them!:eek:

[deafbred]

im surprised they let people use their cell phones

[hagbard_celine]

They're sending a "better" beam round now. Why? Ain't one beam just like another? Duh!:D

[moonshine]

Oh, Baron. You really don't understand their mentality do you?:(:rolleyes:

Baron lives in la la land, best to just leave him there.:D

[jennf]

Is there any set date for when they are colliding particles?

I heard somebody there say 2-3 weeks when asked on sky news (don't usually watch crappy channels like that lol!:D) :eek:

[hagbard_celine]

I heard somebody there say 2-3 weeks when asked on sky news (don't usually watch crappy channels like that lol!:D) :eek:

They originally said "October to Novemeber" for the initial low-power collisions, but look! They're in a rush!:eek: They're almost back to Point 1 already! They've reached Atlas now!

[moonshine]

Deep below the Alps, physicists seek to fill in the blanks of time and space

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080910.ACCELERATORMAIN10/TPStory/International/columnists

[deafbred]

looks like we're going to find time ripples in space matter and send ourselves off to an offset tangent of a sort of highway road to landscapes directly correlated to the time line of this reality but abstractly vague in the endless possibilities of their outstretched regions of paradigms


~~~/ \~~~~\ /~~~~

[jennf]

They originally said "October to Novemeber" for the initial low-power collisions, but look! They're in a rush!:eek: They're almost back to Point 1 already! They've reached Atlas now!

I agree they are rushing, they said about 11 swiss time, 10 ours before it reached atlas then it changed to one hour, now I make that just over half an hour :confused:

[hagbard_celine]

The first beam, the clockwise one, has pased Atlas to Point 1 and completed its circuit. We're halfway there!:eek:

[deafbred]

this is a virgin process
they are climaxing fast

this guy is on a skateboard of electrons

[jennf]

Now they're going to send it around again in one straight go, with no partitions :rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

looks like we're going to find time ripples in space matter and send ourselves off to an offset tangent of a sort of highway road to landscapes directly correlated to the time line of this reality but abstractly vague in the endless possibilities of their outstretched regions of paradigms


~~~/ \~~~~\ /~~~~


What effects could this machine have? God knows! As Unlce Andrew said in CS Lewis' Narnia books "(We) might meet anything! Absolutely anything!"

[nothingspecial]

They were interviewing a guy on BBC who said the beam was halfway through the tunnels. He said it would be all the way through in 30 minutes, which should be any minute now. He said some things that have me really confused. He mentioned that after it made its way around completely, that the beams would start going around in opposite directions and that they would collide. Made it sound like particles were going to collide a lot sooner then we had expected.. Are they speeding things up?

[hagbard_celine]

I agree they are rushing, they said about 11 swiss time, 10 ours before it reached atlas then it changed to one hour, now I make that just over half an hour :confused:


It wasn't supposed to be this quick.

They've just said the second beram will do the whole circuit in one go!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

this is a virgin process
they are climaxing fast

this guy is on a skateboard of electrons


Give them cold shower of neutrons!:D:D

[moonshine]

Large Hadron Collider is activated
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/10/scicern210.xml

Time machine launches quest of discovery: how existence began 13.7 billion years ago
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4720794.ece

[hagbard_celine]

They were interviewing a guy on BBC who said the beam was halfway through the tunnels. He said it would be all the way through in 30 minutes, which should be any minute now. He said some things that have me really confused. He mentioned that after it made its way around completely, that the beams would start going around in opposite directions and that they would collide. Made it sound like particles were going to collide a lot sooner then we had expected.. Are they speeding things up?

It looks like it.:confused: Are they worried that their plan might not succeed?

[hagbard_celine]

Large Hadron Collider is activated
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/10/scicern210.xml

Time machine launches quest of discovery: how existence began 13.7 billion years ago
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4720794.ece

Maybe what happened 13.7 million years ago (at least) is meant to stay there.

[hagbard_celine]

The webcasat has changed to the ALICE control room. Why "Alice"? Anything to do with rabbit holes and wonderlands underground?

[clozaril]

so they are lookin for the 'god particle' will this change our consciousness ?

[hagbard_celine]

so they are lookin for the 'god particle' will this change our consciousness ?

Maybe, or try to shut it down.

[moonshine]

The webcasat has changed to the ALICE control room. Why "Alice"? Anything to do with rabbit holes and wonderlands underground?

I think the name might have something to do with them trying to creat wormholes and looking for dimensions (Alice in Wonderland)

[neomagic]

hagbard_celine

Stop worrying so much my friend, they are searching for something confined to the laws of the standard model of physics and cosmology. If you subscribe to the electro model which is much more convincing IMO you will see that creating black holes etc doesn’t seem possible.

Either way, it is not the end if we are infinite consciousness, the greater powers would stop it if it was a threat so it obviously isn’t one.

[clozaril]

Maybe, or try to shut it down.


:eek:

been watching on bbc news they say dan browns angels and demons is partly about this LHC but i haven't read it

today is a lovely sunny day i feel positive about the LHC

[hagbard_celine]

I think the name might have something to do with them trying to creat wormholes and looking for dimensions (Alice in Wonderland)


BRRRRR!:eek::eek:

[moonshine]

BRRRRR!:eek::eek:

I noticed someone asked the guy on the BBC the same question and he said it's a possibility.

[moonshine]

:eek:

been watching on bbc news they say dan browns angels and demons is partly about this LHC but i haven't read it

today is a lovely sunny day i feel positive about the LHC


I do too, there is nothing to worry about.:)

[hagbard_celine]

hagbard_celine

Stop worrying so much my friend, they are searching for something confined to the laws of the standard model of physics and cosmology. If you subscribe to the electro model which is much more convincing IMO you will see that creating black holes etc doesn’t seem possible.

Either way, it is not the end if we are infinite consciousness, the greater powers would stop it if it was a threat so it obviously isn’t one.

I know what you mean, Neomagic:cool:. I'm very glad I came across David's work before seeing this. God, things like this used to fook my head up when I was a kid!:(:eek: I remember having nightmares and crying after a visit to the London Planetarium because I found out that one day in the future the sun will explode and destroy the Earth!

As for physics. I'm sure that physics still has a lot to learn and it's gone down the wrong track a lot, like how is the universal expansion accellerating!?:eek: So maybe there are no such things as balck holes. None have ever been seen by astronomers; they only exist in theory, and if the theory is wrong then they can't be real.

[deafbred]

I think the name might have something to do with them trying to creat wormholes and looking for dimensions (Alice in Wonderland)

i hope they don't find me

[hagbard_celine]

I noticed someone asked the guy on the BBC the same question and he said it's a possibility.


This is playing with matches! I mean, maybe The Mist was an extreme example (see above), but still, who knows?:eek::confused:

[hagbard_celine]

The webcasat has changed to the ALICE control room. Why "Alice"? Anything to do with rabbit holes and wonderlands underground?


Oh, sorry. He said "Atlas" not ALICE. At Point 1.

BUT... was I picking up something? A Universal Freudian Slip???

[moonshine]

This is playing with matches! I mean, maybe The Mist was an extreme example (see above), but still, who knows?:eek::confused:

It is very dangerous! messing with the unknown, i doubt the mist 'worst case scenario' will happen.

I hope it doesn't!:eek::D

[deafbred]

Oh, sorry. He said "Atlas" not ALICE. At Point 1.

BUT... was I picking up something? A Universal Freudian Slip???
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=494070&postcount=298

lol

yeah the atlas man globe on head
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology)

(and the spider)

I looked it up
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Atlas_New_York.JPG/180px-Atlas_New_York.JPG

because of this
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=495656&postcount=7572

[hagbard_celine]

It is very dangerous! messing with the unknown, i doubt the mist 'worst case scenario' will happen.

I hope it doesn't!:eek::D


Erm... I hate to tell you: The Mist is not a worst case scenario.:eek::o It's bad, but it could have been worse!

[phonicboom]

http://www.google.com.au/logos/lhc.gif

hmmm

[hagbard_celine]

Oh, sorry. He said "Atlas" not ALICE. At Point 1.

BUT... was I picking up something? A Universal Freudian Slip???


Actually I was right first ime! There is an ALICE experiment!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.google.com.au/logos/lhc.gif

hmmm


That's real, I've just checked!:D:D

[moonshine]

Actually I was right first ime! There is an ALICE experiment!:eek:




[B]Souls of the new machine
http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2008/09/03/souls-of-the-new-machine.php


Go ask Alice
Soft-spoken with a bushy beard and withdrawn eyes, Karel Šafařík stands in front of a 16-meter-high underground steel chamber, painted rust red, which is called Alice.
Alice, short for “A Large Ion Collider Experiment,” is one of several gigantic experiments arrayed along the length of the LHC’s track, each poised to study the billions of collisions occurring each second when the accelerator’s two beams, streaming in opposite directions at velocities near the speed of light, are crossed. The energy from these impacts will spit out minute bits of short-lived matter that will be captured on Alice’s array of sensors before winking, once again, out of existence.
More than 1,000 scientists have contributed to Alice, with Šafařík a leading light in the process: He oversees the experiment’s physics, and has worked on the project for some 15 years. Born in Czechoslovakia, Šafařík worked at Dubna until 1989, when he was then courted by several Western physics labs. He joined CERN in 1993.
Alice is contained in a massive iron “warm” magnet, so called because it operates at room temperature, not at the cryogenically cooled levels necessary for the superconducting magnets that move particles around the LHC. Alice weighs approximately 8,000 tons; its doors alone weigh 1,000 tons and take one day to close.
Šafařík points at a blue chamber inside Alice, which during a visit in the late spring was still open. This part of the experiment is called the “time-projection chamber,” he said, which is not as science-fiction-seeming as it sounds. “The detector has a fantastic ability to really trace particles in three dimensions,” he said. “This one is the largest in the world.”
Unlike several other large experiments located at the LHC — notably Atlas and CMS — Alice is designed to study what happens when heavier atoms are collided; in Alice’s case, electrically charged lead nuclei. For part of the year, these lead ions will be piped into the collider, accelerated along its loop by radio waves.
What Alice hopes to recreate are the conditions that existed a few millionths of a second after the Big Bang, when matter is theorized to have existed in a far different state, called quark-gluon plasma. Under this extreme temperature and pressure, the force that ties together quarks, the particles that compose protons and neutrons, would not yet have established itself. The universe instead would have been one primordial soup of quarks and other particles.
Beyond Alice, Czech scientists are also working on two of the LHC’s other experiments, Atlas and Totem, Niederle says. Atlas is the largest experiment at CERN, with almost 2,000 contributors from 35 countries, and it will be searching for the Higgs boson, supersymmetry and extra dimensions. (See story, below) Totem is a much smaller experiment, measuring the strength of the LHC’s beams using detectors called Roman pots, which were made in the Czech Republic.
These experiments will be engaged in a friendly competition, each with the potential to make the same discoveries — or verify each others’ results. What all have in common is a dependence on the LHC and its collisions.

:)

[hagbard_celine]

Ah, Q&A time!:cool:

Come on, you hacks! Ask about the black holes!

[moonshine]

Erm... I hate to tell you: The Mist is not a worst case scenario.:eek::o It's bad, but it could have been worse!

Yes, like 'Black holes' or 'Strangelets':eek::o

[hagbard_celine]

'Black holes' or 'Strangelets':eek::o

Yes, or a change in the whole structure of the universe.

Have you ever read Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy books? In it people theorize that if the answer to the Meaning of Life was ever known, the universe would change completely.

[moonshine]

Yes, or a change in the whole structure of the universe.

Have you ever read Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy books? In it people theorize that if the answer to the Meaning of Life was ever known, the universe would change completely.

No i haven't read that book, i will have to get myself a copy. I've had it recommended to me before by friends.

[deafbred]

Freudian Slip

...the expression of the truth ..universal in the connected dots of consciousness expression spoken LIVE here and NOW in the time of the moment that means profound distinctions correlating universal reality exposed underneath the layers of distractions

"FOCUSED" consciousness "OH MY GOD"

[hagbard_celine]

No i haven't read that book, i will have to get myself a copy. I've had it recommended to me before by friends.

They're very funny:D. You might have seen the TV series or movie.:

[hagbard_celine]

I've just worked out that for what the LHC cost, you could rebuild my hospital three times!:rolleyes::eek:

[deafbred]

Yes, or a change in the whole structure of the universe.

Have you ever read Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy books? In it people theorize that if the answer to the Meaning of Life was ever known, the universe would change completely.

yeh my friend read that..said it was great, said i should read it, have yet still

"change in the whole structure of the universe" cool - consciously would be nice

[hagbard_celine]

Yup and I think its about falling down a black hole...:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g0MDjrl32M

Yes, that's uncanny!:eek:

[truthseeker1980]

Yes stranglets and blackholes, I know this has already been mentioned but do you think they maybe trying to stop the ascension to light in 2012?

Also if this thing can create black holes and stragelets, couldn't it also be used as a stargate? Like Tsarion says, the beings who control us have been stuck here since atlantis because of a stargate stopping them leave, we could be opening it up for them to either leave or move more in. Which would then explain why the supposed plan of a massive decrease in the human population by 2012 is so important to them.

This subject has created a lot of interest and unawake people at work are talking about it. One of them said they have read that the side effects of the experiment wont come into effect for four years or 2012. Not sure of the source of info they got that from tho.

[nimlyn]

Actually I was right first ime! There is an ALICE experiment!:eek:

Yup and I think its about falling down a black hole...:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reYcNa_N520

[hagbard_celine]

yeh my friend read that..said it was great, said i should read it, have yet still

"change in the whole structure of the universe" cool - consciously would be nice


It's possible, as Adams jokes in the book, that some culture in the very distant past might have built an LHC type machine and that this present universe is a product of the quantum uncertainty collpase that that machine produced!:eek::D So the Big Bang might have been artificial! Our LHC might make a new one!

[hagbard_celine]

Yes stranglets and blackholes, I know this has already been mentioned but do you think they maybe trying to stop the ascension to light in 2012?

Also if this thing can create black holes and stragelets, couldn't it also be used as a stargate? Like Tsarion says, the beings who control us have been stuck here since atlantis because of a stargate stopping them leave, we could be opening it up for them to either leave or move more in. Which would then explain why the supposed plan of a massive decrease in the human population by 2012 is so important to them.

This subject has created a lot of interest and unawake people at work are talking about it. One of them said they have read that the side effects of the experiment wont come into effect for four years or 2012. Not sure of the source of info they got that from tho.

What you say is a distinct possibility.:cool:

[sade]

There indeed is an Alice project.
http://aliceinfo.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html

Anything to do with Alice freaks me out.
And about Angels and Demons, I readed that book a year ago and I don't remember anything about LHC bring there...Maybe I should re-read it, it was such an awesome book.

But I still believe the machine has something with time travelling...

[moonshine]

They're very funny:D. You might have seen the TV series or movie.:

I have seen the movie, but i was told that 'It didn't do the book any justice'

[deafbred]

I have seen the movie, but i was told that 'It didn't do the book any justice'
same thing I was told

[moonshine]

Yup and I think its about falling down a black hole...:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reYcNa_N520

:eek: Freaky!

[nimlyn]

Yes, that's uncanny!:eek:

Wow! You caught it the first time…:) I must be on a repeat loop…;)

[deafbred]

Yes stranglets and blackholes, I know this has already been mentioned but do you think they maybe trying to stop the ascension to light in 2012?


I can't imagine people wanting to block the natural light of the universe form humankind. a light process that has taken us millions of years to reach this moment?

that would be pretty sad if there are people out there willing to deprive humanity of Light.

i mean how dark would a person have to be to do something like that..aye karumba

[hagbard_celine]

I have seen the movie, but i was told that 'It didn't do the book any justice'

'Tis often the way.

[truthseeker1980]

It's possible, as Adams jokes in the book, that some culture in the very distant past might have built an LHC type machine and that this present universe is a product of the quantum uncertainty collpase that that machine produced!:eek::D So the Big Bang might have been artificial! Our LHC might make a new one!

Or even harder to get our heads round, maybe the universe is the result of this experiment, as time is a loop. :rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

Wow! You caught it the first time…:) I must be on a repeat loop…;)


Does it mean that the LHC will make this universe become like Wonderland?:confused:

[moonshine]

'Tis often the way.

What about the tv show, was it faithful to the book? would you recommend it?

[moonshine]

Does it mean that the LHC will make this universe become like Wonderland?:confused:

An asylum.:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Has anyone noticed: We've not yet seen that smug Mancunian grin of Dr Brian Cox! Where is he!? Not overslept have you, Bri?:D

[phonicboom]

What about the tv show, was it faithful to the book? would you recommend it?

the radio show was good but really the book is sooo good, you gotta read the book :)

[hagbard_celine]

What about the tv show, was it faithful to the book? would you recommend it?


I saw it when I was a kid, but it was very funny. You can get it on DVD. Unfortunately it only covers the first two books and so cuts out before the end.

[moonshine]

Has anyone noticed: We've not yet seen that smug Mancunian grin of Dr Brian Cox! Where is he!? Not overslept have you, Bri?:D

:D

He is probably still D:reaming.:eek::D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl-ai9HuR60

[moonshine]

the radio show was good but really the book is sooo good, you gotta read the book :)

I've just ordered a copy from Amazon about three minutes ago.:cool:

[moonshine]

Smooth start for 'Big Bang' machine
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g3Y8hjwL9-6uWImyaPaj7MVRwKyg

Scientists Search for Missing Mass, `God Particle'
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aWwBIhzqUSJQ&refer=europe

[Ian2day]

Micro singularity's are just a test.

http://www.fileformat.info/format/gif/sample/28abba4d6fb8412b8a69ac3c8f3127d9/MARBLES.GIF

Do not panic about the Stargate just yet. Although in 2012 perhaps the grid combined with the LHC will enable it to suck us into another dimension just like in Tron

http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/tron1.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

I've just ordered a copy from Amazon about three minutes ago.:cool:

It's very good!:D

[moonshine]

Scientists In State, Worldwide Await Results Of Large Hadron Collider
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-cthadron0910.artsep10,0,6923966.story

[hagbard_celine]

Do not panic

This is the catchphrase of the Guide!:eek::D

[moonshine]

It's very good!:D

I look forward to reading it!:) The book will be here in two days.

[hagbard_celine]

The big blue touchpaper moment at the LHC seems to be over now so I'm going to log off now and listen to David's interview with Brian Gerrish.

It's been great to share this event with you other members.:) Thanks.

[moonshine]

The big blue touchpaper moment at the LHC seems to be over now so I'm going to log off now and listen to David's interview with Brian Gerrish.

It's been great to share this event with you other members.:) Thanks.

Cya H_C.:)

Scientists cheer as protons complete first circuit of Big Bang machine
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4722261.ece

[bwstaircase89]

LMAO! It was 2:30 am here in the US, the blasted thing was scheduled to turn on at 3:30 am eastern time. So I lay down on the couch, deprived of my necessary hours of sleep for the past 3 days (I've been trying to cram info about the NWO and Icke's theory in a course of 3 days) and fall asleep! :D

I was determined to be awake if I got sucked into a black hole, and I pass out on the couch while thinking of why this could or couldn't happen. A half hour before they turned it on, I was going to go to parents and wake them up (shitstorm! 3 am!) and watch it with them on the news. What I was really doing was saying goodbye and seeing them one last time if it all went to hell.

So, I just woke up at 6 am and immediaetely looked at the clock and laughed! My sister probably thinks I'm crazy because one of the first things I said was, "Oh they tested it, and the world didn't end!" She just walked away. lol

So, I was freaking out big time last night, and I have a month to mentally prepare even more. I thought I did well last night dealing with possible annhilation, I think Mary Jane helped the process!

You should have seen the nutter on GLP, he said he was an insider, and had a buddy at CERN. He said that there was like a 50% chance of black hole when this started up. lol, he has egg on his face. Unless it's slowing eating us now...Oh well, fuck it all!


I love you guys,


Patrick

[moonshine]

Working LHC produces first images


http://i35.tinypic.com/zjue0x.jpg

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14699-working-lhc-produces-first-images.html

[mercuryrapids]

Cern today:


http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9806/10092008cernstargate1ir6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/10092008cernstargate1ir6.jpg/1/w801.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img56/10092008cernstargate1ir6.jpg/1/)

:D

[drael]

^ LOL :D

Looks like their detectors are alot more sophisticated, both from that image and what ive read. Still just be a bunch of lines that maths geeks will extrapolate from..

Im hoping that when they put it at put power, in a few weeks time, a white rabbit will spontaneously appear. That'd put those scientists on the back foot!

[bwstaircase89]

It was hilarious, that insider guy on GLP said that he was having a party including wine and good food. At one point he said that the couples were all naked and holding each other! LOL! I can barely contain my laughter.

[belial]

That will wipe the cheezy grin of that Mancunian git's face!:D:mad:

Well... I'm a proud Mancunian. I don't know where you are from, but I'm sure I can intelligently make digs about your lot too. Insults are cheap - especially from behind a computer screen - and your grey hair doesn't hide your immaturity. Grow up.

Your post-count means nothing when it comes to the fact that a 'well respected' member like yourself resorts to slagging off other people.

Best of all... the world hasn't ended yet. Egg on face, I believe.

[duckingdafta]

Well... I'm a proud Mancunian. I don't know where you are from, but I'm sure I can intelligently make digs about your lot too. Insults are cheap - especially from behind a computer screen - and your grey hair doesn't hide your immaturity. Grow up.

Your post-count means nothing when it comes to the fact that a 'well respected' member like yourself resorts to slagging off other people.

Best of all... the world hasn't ended yet. Egg on face, I believe.

you may have got wrong end of the stick, he's respected for more than a 'post count' ..didn't you see the 'smiley' after the post?.. this means it's in jest.. like a joke ..
I too am a Mancunian but was abducted by a beautiful redhead who give me a Yorkshire accent and now just calls me Yellow and likes to live in York... amongst other names she uses.. (just IMO).. it's jumping on jokes like this that creates a division.

love the 'egg on face' bit though... as if you could be approached if the world did end to prove it as in a bet or competition.

[phonicboom]

I always thought this was a brilliant album title "A Few Things to Hear Before We All Blow Up" (http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/17389) - brilliant album too :) (free)

[myeika]

Just been watchin sky news about this again….

The scientist they have on there……Doing the mince pie thingi (lol)

Don’t you think he looks a little like coco the clown?

Have any of you read the Dan Brown book Angels and Demons? I know someone mentioned it earlier in the thread……

What they created with the HC in the book was Anti matter, which – so the book says is the most potent explosive substance ever known to man…… And then you hear them on sky news talking about ‘new’ particles being created by this so called ‘experiment’

mmmmmm….. I wonder…….

It’s so true tho, how their coverage of this is generating a lot of fear for many people….I am getting no end of phone calls from people worried about what’s happening!

One thing I do know…..

Relax, things happen in order and there is nothing you can do about that. So the best thing you can do is smile and be happy and enjoy the moment!

[moonshine]

Large Hadron Collider: subatomic particles to travel on second circuit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/10/scicern610.xml

[phonicboom]

Relax, things happen in order and there is nothing you can do about that. So the best thing you can do is smile and be happy and enjoy the moment!

:D indeed, the finest way to live :D

[duckingdafta]

I'm not knowledgeable at all about this stuff... but If a black hole is created naturally with the collapsing of a sun.. supa nova.. then black hole..
so if the Illuminati worship the sun as a god, aren't they creating their own god here, or miracle birth.. in a weird way

anyway.. another thing I wanted to ask to anyone who might know.. I was reading this: supernovae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova) and as everyone is on about what a black hole does if they are successfull, I was wondering what if something goes wrong.. no black holes but will we get thermonuclear explosion fueled by hydrogen?

[hagbard_celine]

LMAO! It was 2:30 am here in the US, the blasted thing was scheduled to turn on at 3:30 am eastern time. So I lay down on the couch, deprived of my necessary hours of sleep for the past 3 days (I've been trying to cram info about the NWO and Icke's theory in a course of 3 days) and fall asleep! :D

I was determined to be awake if I got sucked into a black hole, and I pass out on the couch while thinking of why this could or couldn't happen. A half hour before they turned it on, I was going to go to parents and wake them up (shitstorm! 3 am!) and watch it with them on the news. What I was really doing was saying goodbye and seeing them one last time if it all went to hell.

So, I just woke up at 6 am and immediaetely looked at the clock and laughed! My sister probably thinks I'm crazy because one of the first things I said was, "Oh they tested it, and the world didn't end!" She just walked away. lol

So, I was freaking out big time last night, and I have a month to mentally prepare even more. I thought I did well last night dealing with possible annhilation, I think Mary Jane helped the process!

You should have seen the nutter on GLP, he said he was an insider, and had a buddy at CERN. He said that there was like a 50% chance of black hole when this started up. lol, he has egg on his face. Unless it's slowing eating us now...Oh well, fuck it all!


I love you guys,


Patrick

Hi Patrick,

I'm afraid the problem is not over yet. The "start-up" process for the LHC is not as simple as the media have been saying. Also the disasters it could cause may not appear straight away. See above for the interviews with Walter Wagner etc.

[hagbard_celine]

Well... I'm a proud Mancunian. I don't know where you are from, but I'm sure I can intelligently make digs about your lot too. Insults are cheap - especially from behind a computer screen - and your grey hair doesn't hide your immaturity. Grow up.

Your post-count means nothing when it comes to the fact that a 'well respected' member like yourself resorts to slagging off other people.

Best of all... the world hasn't ended yet. Egg on face, I believe.

Lighten up! I didn't mean any harm.:cool:

I'm a Welsh boy so feel free to post all the sheep jokes you like;). (You could surprise me by posting one I've not heard yet!)

[hagbard_celine]

I too am a Mancunian but was abducted by a beautiful redhead who give me a Yorkshire accent and now just calls me Yellow and likes to live in York... amongst other names she uses...

When she's returned you, would you ask her if she can abduct me for a bit!:D;)

[hagbard_celine]

Working LHC produces first images


http://i35.tinypic.com/zjue0x.jpg

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14699-working-lhc-produces-first-images.html

They're already trying out the detectors with cosmic ray impacts. If that's what they can do with natural background radiation, imagine what they can do when the thing fires up!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

I saw on the RTE webcast that they are experiencing a few technical difficulties in the ALICE control room.:D;):p

[belial]

Lighten up! I didn't mean any harm.:cool:

I'm a Welsh boy so feel free to post all the sheep jokes you like;).

Yeah... I 'lightened up' a long time ago. Yes... I could have field day with the Welsh... but I don't.

Why the cheap shot? Come on... stop posting childish comments and let's discuss the issue in hand... yes?

Thank You.

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah... I 'lightened up' a long time ago. Yes... I could have field day with the Welsh... but I don't.

Why the cheap shot? Come on... stop posting childish comments and let's discuss the issue in hand... yes?

Thank You.

You really misunderstand me. I'm not taking a pop at Manchester or anywhere else. I've recently visited a friend of mine in Mancherster and it's a lovely city. I'm just joking. I think you're being a bit touchy.

And I AM discussinmg the issue in hand: the LHC.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm not knowledgeable at all about this stuff... but If a black hole is created naturally with the collapsing of a sun.. supa nova.. then black hole..
so if the Illuminati worship the sun as a god, aren't they creating their own god here, or miracle birth.. in a weird way

anyway.. another thing I wanted to ask to anyone who might know.. I was reading this: supernovae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova) and as everyone is on about what a black hole does if they are successfull, I was wondering what if something goes wrong.. no black holes but will we get thermonuclear explosion fueled by hydrogen?

Yes they like to play at God.

The Hindu Vedas/Hare Krishna suggest the anti material universe part of creation is massive compared to the physical part of creation, (light and dark matter?) and can't remember if the separation of the two is meant to be or there would be catastrophic proportions if the two collided in a certain way.

Maybe it's something to do with LHC (maybe this was the end of Atlantis or that could of been nuclear weapons or HARP or something else) The Indian Vedas some claim to be millions of years old, so maybe we've been through all what is about to come before.

In Red Dwarf they experience a white hole. I'm sure there's more clues amongst the other episodes, or I've flipped!

[kweli]

Lighten up! I didn't mean any harm.:cool:

I'm a Welsh boy so feel free to post all the sheep jokes you like;). (You could surprise me by posting one I've not heard yet!)

Can I have a go? Why do Welshman wear kilts? So the sheep won't hear the zipper.. lolz

Ah well.. back on topic

[steevo]

Maybe the LHC was really built to create a shifting of the poles, just like those very same "scientists" predicted is naturally gonna happen sometime soon. The machine seems to have a hell of alot of powerful magnets all around it.

Why is this machine situated in France (and Switzerland) ? I mean, what's the reason for where it is situated ? Maybe they are gonna create an ice age by magnetically shifting the Earths axis, and so for example, they could create an ice age in Russian and China if they wanted to.

Just my little theory there :o:D

[boots]

Can I have a go? Why do Welshman wear kilts? So the sheep won't hear the zipper.. lolz

Ah well.. back on topic

:DLOL,

I can't resist.

Whats a Kiwi?




Proof, that pommies fuck sheep.


Oh dear i'll shut up now.

[ramesees]

I'm just curious here, but surely someone can answer this question for me.

I've been reading this particular thread since it began, and see nothing but bashing for whats going on, and fear-mongering and all that sort of crap.

What will you all say if NOTHING bad happens, no black holes, no multi-dimensional aliens, no stargates, nothing like that. Its almost as if you all want something bad to happen to justify what you say.

Now I've been reading this forum for well over a year, so I'm not clueless about the NWO and Illuminati and such things, however I'm also deeply interested in the advancement of mankind (maybe I'm being naive if we're all just controlled sheep) and have this notion that one day we will all live in harmony and in a golden age of advancement and discovery that benefits everyone (ie like the Star Trek earth).

I actually see the LHC as a massive human achievement that is the most complex machine / device ever built and one that could help us all. Again, maybe thats me being naive, but whatever, its my view :D

I would love an answer to this, as its the same old stuff every day on this thread. And I know I can simply choose to ignore it and not read it and let it happen without any involvement from me, but still, the question has to be asked.

[steevo]

I'm just curious here, but surely someone can answer this question for me.

I've been reading this particular thread since it began, and see nothing but bashing for whats going on, and fear-mongering and all that sort of crap.

What will you all say if NOTHING bad happens, no black holes, no multi-dimensional aliens, no stargates, nothing like that. Its almost as if you all want something bad to happen to justify what you say.

Now I've been reading this forum for well over a year, so I'm not clueless about the NWO and Illuminati and such things, however I'm also deeply interested in the advancement of mankind (maybe I'm being naive if we're all just controlled sheep) and have this notion that one day we will all live in harmony and in a golden age of advancement and discovery that benefits everyone (ie like the Star Trek earth).

I actually see the LHC as a massive human achievement that is the most complex machine / device ever built and one that could help us all. Again, maybe thats me being naive, but whatever, its my view :D

I would love an answer to this, as its the same old stuff every day on this thread. And I know I can simply choose to ignore it and not read it and let it happen without any involvement from me, but still, the question has to be asked.

You are saying exactly the same thing as what was said in a mainstream media news report I saw today "What a great acheivement!". :rolleyes: You are entitled to your opinion though and so are we and we are entitled to discuss it as we see it.

Anyway if you have read this thread properly, it's not all fearmongering, but that's your opinion and you are VERY MUCH entitled to it.

[lizzy]

Can I have a go? Why do Welshman wear kilts? So the sheep won't hear the zipper.. lolz

Ah well.. back on topic


LOL, hi , am trying to listen to radio 4 , hagbard's link reminded me.......so listening to Torchwood right now.....keeps cutting out for afew seconds at a time........is that some tiny black holes floating around now? LOL

I see the LHC as a massive blackhole where billions of taxpayers money has vanished so the Elite can play god.

[cleopatraxxx]

I know that their stated intentions at CERN are to discover this 'Higgs Boson', but you don't put that kind of money and time into something just to see a couple of particles smash against each other.

Something more is going on.

i agree with you

[lizzy]

i agree with you


yup, they have fucked up this dimension and they're looking for another, LOL:eek:

[ramesees]

You are saying exactly the same thing as what was said in a mainstream media news report I saw today "What a great acheivement!". :rolleyes: You are entitled to your opinion though and so are we and we are entitled to discuss it as we see it.

Anyway if you have read this thread properly, it's not all fearmongering, but that's your opinion and you are VERY MUCH entitled to it.

I just have to question your use of the "roll eyes" smilie up there. Does my agreeing with a MSM report about "a great achievement" somehow invalidate it?

All on this site believe that newspapers and news shows on TV are all controlled, and I can follow that, just fine, but surely you'd agree that the LHC is a massive achievement. I mean in terms of the technical know-how and such needed to build it, wouldnt you say that its rather impressive?

Or what does it take to impress you? Something larger, more complex maybe?

Also, one last point. What if the MSM came out and said that the moon landings were all a hoax, that 9/11 was an inside job and verified all that you believe and hold dear? Would you think it was all a con, would you believe it? I'm sure you can see why I'm asking this.

[turquoisefire777]

anyone seen today's google front page...is that the damn thing?

[11indigo11]

Spot the symbolism...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35352

[steevo]

I just have to question your use of the "roll eyes" smilie up there. Does my agreeing with a MSM report about "a great achievement" somehow invalidate it?

Yes, because you appear to be only saying that it's a "great achievement" because the mainstream media have told you so. How do you KNOW that it's a great achievement ? You dont, because you dont know what the real purpose of the "LHC" is. You only know what you are being fed by the media. At least I am being honest and saying that I dont know either way whether it's a great achievement. But I'm very suspicious of the motives of these so called "scientists" and the mainstream media who "publicise" their "work" to the brainwashed masses.

All on this site believe that newspapers and news shows on TV are all controlled, and I can follow that, just fine, but surely you'd agree that the LHC is a massive achievement. I mean in terms of the technical know-how and such needed to build it, wouldnt you say that its rather impressive?

The technical knowhow MAYBE is impressive but the wisdom (or lack of it) is rather unimpressive IMO.

Or what does it take to impress you? Something larger, more complex maybe?

Why do I NEED to be impressed ? Just tell me WHY is it that you want me to be so impressed ? :confused: Maybe you also think that the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan are impressive ? Maybe it's impressive to be able to kill people using a weapon which uses depleted uranium ? If you want to be impressed by this stuff then that's up to you but maybe you need to put more thought into it and also investigate stuff before coming to a conclusion as to whether it's a "great achievement". Anyway, it's your life. Do what you want. That's your right.

Also, one last point. What if the MSM came out and said that the moon landings were all a hoax, that 9/11 was an inside job and verified all that you believe and hold dear? Would you think it was all a con, would you believe it? I'm sure you can see why I'm asking this.

Yes I can see why you are asking this. I would be glad if they admitted that 911 was an inside job but I would be very suspicious of what their motive was in admitting it. Question EVERYTHING, especially when it comes out of the CONTROLLED mainstream media.

[moonshine]

The heart of the LHC is more than science

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39486546,00.htm

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, because you appear to be only saying that it's a "great achievement" because the mainstream media have told you so. How do you KNOW that it's a great achievement ? You dont, because you dont know what the real purpose of the "LHC" is. You only know what you are being fed by the media. At least I am being honest and saying that I dont know either way whether it's a great achievement. But I'm very suspicious of the motives of these so called "scientists" and the mainstream media who "publicise" their "work" to the brainwashed masses.



The technical knowhow MAYBE is impressive but the wisdom (or lack of it) is rather unimpressive IMO.



Why do I NEED to be impressed ? Just tell me WHY is it that you want me to be so impressed ? :confused: Maybe you also think that the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan are impressive ? Maybe it's impressive to be able to kill people using a weapon which uses depleted uranium ? If you want to be impressed by this stuff then that's up to you but maybe you need to put more thought into it and also investigate stuff before coming to a conclusion as to whether it's a "great achievement". Anyway, it's your life. Do what you want. That's your right.



Yes I can see why you are asking this. I would be glad if they admitted that 911 was an inside job but I would be very suspicious of what their motive was in admitting it. Question EVERYTHING, especially when it comes out of the CONTROLLED mainstream media.


What happens if their string theory is proved wrong? I think this could be quite likely, but no one knows what we might find. I think it is money well spent, for without it we will never get any closer to knowing what this world is made of and how it works. Does this not interest you? Would you rather believe crazy Icke theories based on the occult as to what this world is? Also bear in mind there is no way this can be blagged like Global Warming because there are about 10 000 physicists watching and they are generally pretty clever people. I think we are in for some surprises.

[ramesees]

Yes, because you appear to be only saying that it's a "great achievement" because the mainstream media have told you so. How do you KNOW that it's a great achievement ? You dont, because you dont know what the real purpose of the "LHC" is. You only know what you are being fed by the media. At least I am being honest and saying that I dont know either way whether it's a great achievement. But I'm very suspicious of the motives of these so called "scientists" and the mainstream media who "publicise" their "work" to the brainwashed masses.


Ahhh what a wonderfully arrogant response. The MSM is the "main view" and yours is different therefore you must be more correct. And if someone chooses to have an opinion opposite to yours they must be wrong? Hogwash, absolute tripe. :rolleyes:

How do you know what my reasons for saying its a "great achievement". Are you able to sum up my entire ability to reason and judge simply by reading a post I've made on an internet forum ? As for how I KNOW its a great achievement, well I have eyes in my head, and a brain as well. I can judge it on the scale, on the technology that must power it, on the amount of time its taken to build it. But then I suppose you have similar technology in your back garden, that you managed to piece together over a couple of years tinkering back and forth?

I could make up all sorts of assumptions about you from what you've posted, like you're on the dole, you dont work at all, you smoke more weed than tourists in Amsterdam but then I cant and wont because I'm not necessarily that arrogant. I could tell you to get out of the house and get a job, stop sponging off the tax payers, but again, I cant as I have no evidence. You see where I'm going with this. You dont know the first thing about me, so dont judge me.

If the LHC isnt going to be used for nefarious and evil purposes, if what we've been told is truth, doesnt that make your argument null and void ? As I asked in my initial post, just what exactly is that going to do for all the arguments and fear-mongering on this site ?


Yes I can see why you are asking this. I would be glad if they admitted that 911 was an inside job but I would be very suspicious of what their motive was in admitting it. Question EVERYTHING, especially when it comes out of the CONTROLLED mainstream media.

Oh I do question everything in my life, its one thing I'm very good at. I trust no-one, no matter who they are or what they say, and always look for flaws in what I'm being told. But I guess because I dont come to your opinion, I've obviously not questioned it enough and therefore must be lacking.

As a little example, on the same type of topic .... the MSM were reporting that the British team at the Olympics were incredibly successful, that all the athletes did a tremendous job etc. Now i watched a fair portion of the games when they were on TV and I happen to hold the very same opinion. The games were great to watch, full of great personal achievements for all involved and very entertaining. Now are you going to tell me, yet again, that I'm wrong for holding that opinion ?

That somehow, because the newspapers and television told me they did well that I must automatically think ... "nah you know what, all those gold medals mean nothing, its all a big ruse, something must be up?" If thats the opinion you think I should hold, then I'd love to hear you say it to the athletes, just for scientific research you understand. I'll leave you to figure out what my hypothesis would be.

[jayelowell]

http://www.lhc.ac.uk/ (http://www.lhc.ac.uk/)

[steevo]

What happens if their string theory is proved wrong? I think this could be quite likely, but no one knows what we might find. I think it is money well spent, for without it we will never get any closer to knowing what this world is made of and how it works. Does this not interest you? Would you rather believe crazy Icke theories based on the occult as to what this world is? Also bear in mind there is no way this can be blagged like Global Warming because there are about 10 000 physicists watching and they are generally pretty clever people. I think we are in for some surprises.

Can you read ? If yes then read what I said.

[steevo]

Ahhh what a wonderfully arrogant response. The MSM is the "main view" and yours is different therefore you must be more correct. And if someone chooses to have an opinion opposite to yours they must be wrong? Hogwash, absolute tripe. :rolleyes:

How do you know what my reasons for saying its a "great achievement". Are you able to sum up my entire ability to reason and judge simply by reading a post I've made on an internet forum ? As for how I KNOW its a great achievement, well I have eyes in my head, and a brain as well. I can judge it on the scale, on the technology that must power it, on the amount of time its taken to build it. But then I suppose you have similar technology in your back garden, that you managed to piece together over a couple of years tinkering back and forth?

I could make up all sorts of assumptions about you from what you've posted, like you're on the dole, you dont work at all, you smoke more weed than tourists in Amsterdam but then I cant and wont because I'm not necessarily that arrogant. I could tell you to get out of the house and get a job, stop sponging off the tax payers, but again, I cant as I have no evidence. You see where I'm going with this. You dont know the first thing about me, so dont judge me.

If the LHC isnt going to be used for nefarious and evil purposes, if what we've been told is truth, doesnt that make your argument null and void ? As I asked in my initial post, just what exactly is that going to do for all the arguments and fear-mongering on this site ?



Oh I do question everything in my life, its one thing I'm very good at. I trust no-one, no matter who they are or what they say, and always look for flaws in what I'm being told. But I guess because I dont come to your opinion, I've obviously not questioned it enough and therefore must be lacking.

As a little example, on the same type of topic .... the MSM were reporting that the British team at the Olympics were incredibly successful, that all the athletes did a tremendous job etc. Now i watched a fair portion of the games when they were on TV and I happen to hold the very same opinion. The games were great to watch, full of great personal achievements for all involved and very entertaining. Now are you going to tell me, yet again, that I'm wrong for holding that opinion ?

That somehow, because the newspapers and television told me they did well that I must automatically think ... "nah you know what, all those gold medals mean nothing, its all a big ruse, something must be up?" If thats the opinion you think I should hold, then I'd love to hear you say it to the athletes, just for scientific research you understand. I'll leave you to figure out what my hypothesis would be.

I'm not wasting my time talking about this because YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE LHC DOES AND NEITHER DO I. All we know is what we are told and THESE PEOPLE LIE ALL THE TIME. So I'm not arguing about that cos it's a waste of time. Why argue about stuff we know nothing about, and pretend that we do know ? How can you be SO SURE it's a great invention/experiment when all you know is what a bunch of lyers tell you ?
The trouble is that you believe them and you are desperate to believe them and it clouds your judgement. Call me arrogant if you want cos you are wrong about that. Do you think if they found out anything INTERESTING that they would tell us ? You believe these evil bastards are on our side dont you. Well they are not.

[notthisshitagain]

http://www.google.com.mx/logos/lhc.gif

[velvetexplorer]

It doesn't matter what it does. It's a huge distraction; a fear inducing tool to keep us imprisoned. It will do nothing and will prove nothing. It is another massive light show to keep you in shock and awe; to keep you lost in wonderment about life.

Don't fall for it. We know where we came from and what we really are, don't we?

[steevo]

It doesn't matter what it does. It's a huge distraction; a fear inducing tool to keep us imprisoned. It will do nothing and will prove nothing. It is another massive light show to keep you in shock and awe; to keep you lost in wonderment about life.

Don't fall for it. We know where we came from and what we really are, don't we?

That's how I feel about it.

[baron von lotsov]

It doesn't matter what it does. It's a huge distraction; a fear inducing tool to keep us imprisoned. It will do nothing and will prove nothing. It is another massive light show to keep you in shock and awe; to keep you lost in wonderment about life.

Don't fall for it. We know where we came from and what we really are, don't we?

Yeh really. How does it imprison you?

[hewrote]

the pre switch-on hype of imploding the world was just a distraction. It helped draw attention the LHC, that's about it. It was their own little 9/11 without the deaths and subsequent wars.

Sept = 9

10th = 1

2008 = 8 + 2 = 1(0)

[steevo]

Yeh really. How does it imprison you?

Baron Von KnowsNowt :p

[baron von lotsov]

Baron Von KnowsNowt :p

I don't know voodoo, it has to be said.

[serpentoffire]

Experiment done. We are still here.
No blackholes, only bullshitters left.

[dangermouse]

Experiment done. We are still here.
No blackholes, only bullshitters left.

well its only begun, but at the same time I doubt the elites really want a black hole to suck the earth up either

[baron von lotsov]

well its only begun, but at the same time I doubt the elites really want a black hole to suck the earth up either

Ah, some logic returns to this forum at long last!

[bwstaircase89]

Iran:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Iran_quake_triggers_N-bomb_scare/articleshow/3468900.cms

Chile:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ithKoQw1XY-Qh5i5jRovey1TtVNQD9340C1G0

Folks on the GLP messageboard are saying that it is the result of the CERN experiment. A blackhole MUST have fallen to the center of the earth and is now eating it! LOL. This is more fear-mongering from the elite. They might even announce that it is CERN causing the disturbance. It's all a distraction!

I've heard that HAARP can create earthquakes.

Patrick

[rebel 66]

Times of quakes, 12.12 and 3.30.

[bicycle]

THE greatest experiment in the history of physics will begin this morning, followed shortly after by your horrifyingly painful death.

As the Large Hadron Collider is activated scientists believe they will have less than four seconds to spot the mysterious Higgs Boson particle before their bodies explode, atom by atom.

A black hole will open up in what used to be Geneva, spreading rapidly across Europe, angrily devouring Belgium and reaching the outer London boroughs by 3pm.

Cambridge physicist Dr Tom Logan, explained: "At this point you will be stretched out slowly until you resemble a very thin piece of spaghetti about 250,000 miles long. It will hurt like fuck."

He added: "A lot people will probably want to know what happens to their favourite celebrities such as Frank Lampard, Shilpa Shetty and Princess Anne.

"They will be stretched out slowly until they resemble a very thin piece of spaghetti about 250,000 miles long. I imagine Princess Anne will cope better than Frank Lampard."

Professor Bill McKay, who has called for the experiment to be abandoned, said: "If it's a Higgs Boson particle you're after I've got two in the fridge. Seriously - a fiver the pair."

Some scientists believe the imminent black hole could create a gateway, or 'wormhole', into an alternate universe. Dr Logan added: "Hopefully this one will be free of Peaches Geldof, fame-hungry little trollope that she is."

Meanwhile Apple has launched a new advertising campaign urging everyone to download a few more songs from iTunes before it and everything else ceases to exist.

[bwstaircase89]

You shouldn't scare people like that :)

Dr Tom Logan...lol

[notthisshitagain]

Not sure if this was posted already, but...

Big Bang experiment makes girl suicide

A teenage girl in India has killed herself after fearing the Big Bang experiment in Switzerland may cause the world to end.

Local Indian authorities said the 16-year-old girl from Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but died later.

Physicists around the world celebrated the first tests on Wednesday of a huge particle-smashing machine they hope will simulate the creation of the universe.

Experiments using the underground Large Hadron Collider, the biggest and most complex machine ever made, could revamp modern physics and unlock secrets about the universe and its origins.

The girl, named Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programmes, her father said.

"In the past two days, Chayya had asked me and other relatives about the world coming to an end on September 10," he told local television in India.

"We tried to divert her attention and told her she should not worry about such things, but to no avail."

Physicists brushed off suggestions that the experiment could create tiny black holes that could cause problems with the planet.

"The worries that scientists had were nothing to do with being swallowed up by black holes and everything to do with technical hitches or electronic failure," Jim al-Khalili, a physicist at Britain's University of Surrey, said.

"Now, after a collective sigh of relief, the real fun starts," al-Khalili said.

"No matter what we find, we will be unlocking the secrets of the universe."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5007823/big-bang-makes-girl-suicide

[biblegirl]

Not sure if this was posted already, but...



http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5007823/big-bang-makes-girl-suicide

But today is ALSO World Suicide Prevention Day!!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35355

[cleopatraxxx]

anyone seen today's google front page...is that the damn thing?

yes it is

my dad is a physicist and he immediately recognized it

as to the big achievment, as my dad said today: " as long as what they discover is not going to be used for more wars...let them experiment"

he is a man of very few words, but when he says something it is really wise.

[cleopatraxxx]

But today is ALSO World Suicide Prevention Day!!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35355

how very strange all this!

without wanting to do any of that rubbish, that word (suicide) has been in my head for the whole of todays day. only now am i reading about this girl in India and this SUICIDE PREVENtion day!?!?! WHO CAME UP WITH SUCH IDEAS?

ARE WE BEING BOMBED WITH SOME SUBLIME PROGRAMMING?
MAY be this fear imposed on the public because of the LHC being a possible threat is inducing thoughts of death??

they are smart asses! whoever did it on purpose knew well what they are doing! i wonder what else is coming next!?!?

[notthisshitagain]

But today is ALSO World Suicide Prevention Day!!!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35355

Lol, holy fack, I had forgotten about that, biblegirl.... and yeah, cleopatraxxx... I guess we can only wait and see what kind of shit they try to pull next.. *imagines myself watching the news and doing the same face/pose my avatar has*

[cleopatraxxx]

Israel’s senior ministers confer urgently on Iran as US masses air-naval might in Middle East waters

Wednesday, Sept 10, 2008

Prime minister Ehud Olmert summoned defense minister Ehud Barak and foreign minister Tzipi Livni for an urgent consultation on Iran Wed. Sept. 10, as the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier headed out to the Mediterranean for missions “in support of maritime security.”

Its arrival will bring the number of US aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea to four, compared with two Russian warships. Most of the Russian fleet in the region is concentrated in the Black Sea whence it has easy and rapid access to Middle East waters.

The Roosevelt will be followed by its strike force, which includes the guided missile cruiser Monterey , the guided missile destroyers Mason and Nitze , with 7,300 sailors and marines aboard, and the attack submarine Springfield.

Our sources report that the USS Ronald Reagan carrier and its strike group began engaging in assault and support missions for US and NATO forces in Afghanistan on Aug. 28.

The Iwo Jima carrier group, whose decks carry 6,000 sailors, air crews and marines, supports the US Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean and Fifth Fleet in the Gulf with a massive amphibious capability.

The USS San Antonio amphibious transport dock ship is the first vessel of its class to be deployed in the region as a platform for supporting Marine movements and operations ashore.

The USS Peleliu carrier patrols the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It is escorted by vessels carrying a large Marine contingent.

Monday, Iran launched a three-day naval-air-missile exercise to practice defense tactics for its nuclear sites.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=497298&posted=1#post497298

[cleopatraxxx]

i can almost bet, that while most scientists are gathered around that LHC, huge warbattels are about to start and when they start a sort of "accident" will also hapend at the collider to "KILL" all them important scientists? are scientist really abou to discover something that will stop teh earth from depending on the oil?

or

they have opened a huge gate of escape for the illuminati?

seriously i dont know anymore

[jayelowell]

I didn't read this whole thread but according to Nassim Haramein (whose videos are linked to the thread in my sig.) the scientists will NEVER find the smallest particle in the universe that makes up everything. The universe is infinitely large and infinitely small - it is a fractal. They can build bigger and bigger colliders and will still find smaller and smaller particles. The fact that they can't identify 95% of "missing" matter in the universe is because they think the vaccuum is empty and their entire model is wrong. The universe is alive and in a continuous feedback loop.
http://www.smeddum.net/images/articles/torus.gif

[jayelowell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNpucos9wc

[moonshine]

Particle physics: The race to break the standard model


The Large Hadron Collider is the latest attempt to move fundamental physics past the frustratingly successful 'standard model'. But it is not the only way to do it. Geoff Brumfiel surveys the contenders attempting to capture the prize before the collider gets up to speed.
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It is powerful; it is galling; it is doomed. The incredibly successful mathematical machine that physicists call the 'standard model' is a set of equations that describes every known form of matter, from individual atoms to the farthest galaxies. It describes three of the four fundamental forces in nature: the strong, weak and electromagnetic interactions. It predicts the outcome of one experiment after another with unprecedented accuracy. And yet, as powerful as it is, the standard model is far from perfect. Its mathematical structure is arbitrary. It is littered with numerical constants that seem equally ad hoc. And perhaps most disturbingly, it has resisted every attempt to incorporate the last fundamental force: gravity.

So physicists have been trying to get beyond the standard model ever since it was put together in the 1970s. In effect, they will have to shatter the model with experimental data that contradict its near-perfect equations. And then, from its fragments, they must build a newer, better theory. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a giant particle accelerator at CERN, Europe's particle-physics laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, is the latest attempt to break the standard model — and one that many see as all but assured of success. The prodigious energy it generates will force particles into realms where the standard model cannot follow. In the race to move beyond the status quo, "the LHC is by far the favourite", says Frank Wilczek, a theorist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge who won the 2004 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work underpinning the standard model.

But the LHC is not the only game in town. For decades physicists have tried to get beyond the standard model in all sorts of ways, sometimes with accelerators, sometimes with precision measurements of breathtakingly rare events, sometimes with observation of outer space. And in the time it takes for the LHC to get fully up to speed — its first results aren't expected until at least next summer (see 'The unstoppable collider') — some of those experimental groups think that they have a fighting chance of seizing the prize first. Their task will be hard: the standard model is a formidable piece of work that has resisted all the easy and obvious attacks. To crack it, experiments will need unprecedented sensitivity, a multitude of data, and more than a little luck. Here's a rundown of the heroic few who feel up to the task.

Tevatron
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While the LHC gets its protons up to speed, the world's other heavyweight particle-accelerator is racing to break the standard model first. Since 2001, the Tevatron, located at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois, has been accelerating protons and antiprotons at an energy of around 1 tera electron volt.

That's only a seventh of the eventual top energy of the LHC, but total energy isn't everything in the hunt for new physics. Collisions that would generate new particles outside the standard model are extremely rare, which means that the longer an accelerator runs and the more data it accumulates, the better its chances of finding something. So for a while, at least, the Tevatron will continue to have a data lead over the LHC. Even by the summer of 2009, the Tevatron will have several times more total data than its new competitor.

And already those data are showing some tantalizing, if tentative, hints of something beyond the standard model. One deviation comes in measurements of a particle known as the strange B (Bs) meson. The Bs is made of a strange quark and an anti-bottom quark, and it is among the heaviest of all mesons. Under a rule known as charge-parity symmetry, the standard model predicts the Bs will decay in the same way as its antiparticle (made of an anti-strange and a bottom quark). But measurements of the two are hinting at a difference in their decays. According to Dmitri Denisov, a spokesperson for the D-Zero experiment at the Tevatron, that difference could be an important clue in the quest for discoveries. It might signal the existence of new, exotic particles, or of previously unknown principles. In any case, says Denisov, "it's an exciting measurement".

The Bs anomaly is not the only oddity showing up at the accelerator, adds Robert Roser, a spokesperson for the Tevatron's other major experiment, the Collision Detector at Fermilab, or CDF. An unusual feature in the decays of pairs of top and anti-top quarks has him intrigued. Again, he admits, it's far from certain. But some of these signals may turn out to be important, Roser says. "As you add data, one of [these anomalies] may become real."

Perhaps not surprisingly, a more sceptical view comes from John Ellis, a theorist at CERN. Yes, the Tevatron could provide some tantalizing hints, says Ellis, but it is unlikely to make a definitive find before the LHC comes on strong. In the world of particle physics, he points out, nothing constitutes a discovery until it is measured to five σ (five standard deviations from the mean), the equivalent of 99.99994267% accuracy. Much more data than the Tevatron has accumulated so far will be needed to reach that exacting standard, and the detector is unlikely to make those big gains before it is overtaken by its new rival. "I think its going to be very, very tough for the Tevatron," Ellis says. "I just don't see them getting it before the LHC starts going gangbusters."

Cosmos
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While the high-energy physicists gather in their machine's control rooms, another group of physicists is looking to the heavens. There they hope to find something that shatters the standard model — if the Universe cooperates.

The main thing that their spacecraft will look for are indications of dark matter, the ghostly substance that could make up as much as 85% of the matter in the Universe. Astronomers know that dark matter exists only because of its gravitational pull on galaxies and its influence on the Universe's shape; it seems to pass right through the kind of ordinary matter found in stars, planets and people. Presumably, dark matter is a haze of particles that rarely, if ever, react with the ordinary variety. But nobody is quite sure what those particles might be — except that they are not accounted for in the standard model.

One candidate comes from the 'supersymmetry' theory, which predicts that every particle in the standard model has another, heavier partner lying outside the model. The lightest of these supersymmetric partners is called the neutralino, and is predicted to have just the right properties to be dark matter.

Neutralinos themselves wouldn't be seen by telescopes, orbiting or otherwise. But periodically, two neutralinos could collide and annihilate — creating a shower of more mundane particles that orbiting detectors might pick up. The PAMELA (Payload for Antimatter Matter Exploration and Light-nuclei Astrophysics) experiment has already seen an intriguing clue. The satellite-borne instrument has unofficially reported a surplus of anti-electrons that may have been generated by dark-matter annihilations (see Nature 454, 808; 2008). "It's a beautiful result," says Graciela Gelmini, a physicist at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has seen PAMELA's data. Still, she adds, the complexities of the measurement require caution.

A second, recently launched satellite may also be able to spot the untimely demise of the neutralino. The Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope is a US$690-million space instrument designed to scan the entire sky for ultra-high-energy photons. It is possible that such γ-rays could be created by neutralino collisions, in which case they would show up as a ubiquitous haze in the orbiting detector's sky-map. "That would be a stunning, stunning signature," says Steven Ritz, the telescope's project scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Greenbelt, Maryland.

Such signatures, if they're spotted and confirmed in time, definitely have a chance to beat the LHC in the quest to break the standard model, says Michael Turner, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago in Illinois. But Ritz points out that although astrophysics could technically be the first to make such a discovery, they can't do much more than that. Anti-electrons, γ-rays and other such signatures could provide physicists with only a rough mass range for the new particles, and would say nothing about how supersymmetry might work. For those reasons "there would still be a large number of essential question marks", says Ritz — questions that would have to be resolved at the LHC.

The dark
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Other physicists have chosen darkness over light. From their lairs inside disused mines and traffic tunnels, they are watching a number of highly sensitive detectors that could find direct signatures of dark matter, including supersymmetric neutralinos (see Nature 448, 240; 2007).

There are around half-a-dozen different schemes for such detectors, but they all follow the same basic concept. Take some stuff you think could respond to dark matter, place it deep underground to protect it from cosmic rays and other disruptive influences, and wait for something to happen. "It's like watching grass grow," says Wilczek.

Although they are perhaps not the most exciting way to beat the LHC, these detectors are making impressive progress. One experiment, the Cryogenic Dark Matter Search II, or CDMS II, is currently accumulating data in the Soudan Mine deep beneath Minnesota. Its operators aim to treble its current sensitivity by the end of the year. Another experiment called XENON100, located in a tunnel under Italy's Gran Sasso Mountain, stands a chance to have its first results out before the LHC's detectors can finish processing their findings. "The field is going so fast and there's so much competition, that it's not easy to survive at the moment," says Elena Aprile, the principal investigator for XENON100 at Columbia University in New York. "It's an amazing time."

And on top of these prospects, one group claims that it has already seen dark matter in its detector. Earlier this year, the DAMA/LIBRA (Dark Matter Large Sodium Iodide Bulk for Rare Processes) experiment, also at the Gran Sasso National Laboratory, announced that it had seen a signal in its latest generation of detector (see Nature 452, 918; 2008). But their finding has the other groups stumped, says Aprile, whose experiment sits in a vault next to that of DAMA/LIBRA. No one else has yet been able to confirm the signal, and in fact, the findings from other teams seem contradictory, she says. "We are definitely not consistent."

Although these detectors seem to be improving in leaps and bounds, they have an Achilles heel: they only work if the so-far unseen dark-matter particles interact, at least occasionally, with regular matter. There's no guarantee that that is the case, says Ellis. And as far as he's concerned, that makes these experiments "shots in the dark".

Still, Ellis concedes that there is a chance that these esoteric searches might manage to see something before the LHC can. "I think the dark-matter guys are the jokers in the pack," he says.

Neutrino
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The next few months will be a caffeine-fuelled blur for most of those scientists racing to beat the LHC. But neutrino physicists can take it easy: they've already broken new ground, and they did it a decade ago.

Neutrinos are the neutral members of the 'lepton' family of particles, the group that includes the electron. The original version of the standard model predicted that neutrinos should be completely massless, but experimentalists suspected otherwise. For years they saw fewer neutrinos from the Sun than theorists predicted. One possible explanation for the deficit was that solar neutrinos could be switching from one type to another. But that switching would be possible only if neutrinos had mass. In 1998, a Japanese experiment in Hida called Super-Kamiokande saw the neutrino switch in action, and that result is the first — and to date the only — firm finding that defies the standard model.

Unfortunately, says Ellis, the neutrino's mass can be accommodated within the standard model by making just a few simple modifications to the equations. "It's possible to add something in relatively easily," he says. And consequently, although neutrino physicists can arguably claim the prize, their discovery hasn't helped theorists in their search for new models of physics.

But neutrinos may not be finished just yet. Experiments in the United States, Europe and Japan are now firing beams of neutrinos at their detectors to try to learn more about how the neutrinos switch from one kind to another. The precise details of this switching may help narrow the field of possible new theoretical models, says Lisa Randall, a theorist at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

And two new detectors could go further still. A European collaboration is now running the Astronomy with a Neutrino Telescope and Abyss Environmental Research (ANTARES) detector under the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Toulon, France, and a team of Americans is installing IceCube beneath the ice of Antarctica. Both use strings of detectors to see high-energy neutrinos from cosmic sources striking water or ice. ANTARES was completed earlier this summer, whereas IceCube has about half of its 70 strings of detectors installed. But already IceCube is five times more sensitive than Super-Kamiokande, according to Francis Halzen, IceCube's principal investigator at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. "It's not inconceivable we'll find something," he says.

Just what that something might be is up for debate. One possibility would be neutrinos produced by dark-matter particles trapped in the Sun's core. But again, Halzen says, anything seen by the neutrino experiments would almost certainly require follow-up by the LHC. "I think these experiments are complementary," he says. "But if you give me a choice, I'd rather see it first."
Success?

So can any of these projects best the standard model? Wilczek is sceptical. "I'm not on the edge of my seat," he says. Looking the track record, it seems that, "the standard model always wins". He believes that only the LHC stands a real chance of breaking the existing paradigm.


And there's no guarantee that even the giant collider will find something new. "Super symmetry could show up anytime between mid-2009 and never," says Ellis. If never is the date, he says, physicists will face "the maximum conceivable horror scenario". "What will we do next?" he asks.
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But Turner takes a different view. Ultimately, these experiments and the LHC are fighting the battle together. He is confident that by combining their data with the LHC's, the standard model can be bested, and that new physics will be discovered. "We're on the verge of a major revolution," he says.


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Celebrations Over £5bn Big Bang

Scientists are celebrating the start of a £5bn experiment to re-create the big bang, which threw space and time into being 13.7bn years ago.

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Waiting to see the `big bang' light
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Europe's particle collider is Texas' lost opportunity
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