How many of you have others with whom you can talk

[roxanna222]

Me? No one. Wondering who does and how it works.

[anoninnyc]

i assume you mean with whom you talk to regarding the illuminati, etc. well, for me i really only have one friend that i speak completely openly about it. how it works you ask? just like talking about anything w a friend i suppose.

my husband makes fun of me about it, so i shut down about it w him, though i do try to show him certain pieces of evidence, like when the bbc tower7 video broke, but he actually said even if it is true i cant do anything about it so i would rather not know.

[cleft_asunder]

I was going to make the same thread eventually.

No, I have no one to talk with, and as of recently it's been effecting me. My best (and only) friends name is Robert and I've known him since I was a kid, but it's like we're at the end of our friendship I feel. It's like our differences are at a climax. He's very material and money oriented, and very stingy. His middle name is "success" and his hopes and dreams are absurd "white man" hopes and dreams. When I think about him I just get bitter and irriated. I hate everything about his mentallity. He is so... naive, and asleep. He's not stupid, but he's only intelligent to a point. He has no TRUE morals for example. He would never, say, stop and help someone on the side of the road because there's always a "good" excuse not to. I've stopped to give a guy who ran out of gas a push. I had to go out of my way, get out of the car, and run accross a busy 4 lane road to do so. He never gives money to the homeless. I know the real reason why, because then that money wont be in his pocket.

I've tried to convince him for years about how manufactured certain things are in the world to keep us in slavery, such as the auto market, and he's able to just shrug things off with the most blatant nonsense. It's come to the point where I no longer feel that there is any growth in the friendship and would prefer to end it. Interestingly, he's leaving Reno this summer to go work on a cruiseship. It's not a coincidence I don't think, and I'm hoping God will give me a replacement. Hopefully someone who I can really talk to about this stuff.

I know most of you would never say anything like this about your best friend, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was an Organic Portal. I remember once, when we were drunk and I was arguing about the Illuminati, he told me that he was completely content with life. After that I've viewed him differently; more negatively.

[cleft_asunder]

i assume you mean with whom you talk to regarding the illuminati, etc. well, for me i really only have one friend that i speak completely openly about it. how it works you ask? just like talking about anything w a friend i suppose.

my husband makes fun of me about it, so i shut down about it w him, though i do try to show him certain pieces of evidence, like when the bbc tower7 video broke, but he actually said even if it is true i cant do anything about it so i would rather not know.

How can you live with someone like that?

[timestop24]

Someone I can talk to? Only one I got right now is my therapist. And hopefully my mom.
:)

[roxanna222]

WOW Cleft Asunder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU JUST DESCRIBED MY friend too. Hes my ex but we have been friends since kids. I cant get over it. Hurts alot to not see him as a person i can speak with anymore so im glad to be his ex and now only friends even if no longer as close as we used to be before i woke. I can never go back. Still hes a good guy. We tried the love thing did not work. Then I woke and now the friend thing is quickly ebbing. I feel sooo alone..... I hope to find a friend I can talk with on these things someone who knows as Im too tired to instruct another and maybe they wake maybe not.

[pollock]

I am blessed as I can talk to a lot of people around me, my family is the reason I was never fully asleep!

F

[i_am]

I don't have anyone close by but I have quite a few friends that when we get together, we have great discussions.

My family, although good people, don't want to know. My son is really on to the law of attraction and how it works and the spiritual aspect but does not want to know about conspiracies at all. He says there is nothing he can do to change it. I told him that he may feel differently when it impacts on him and his family. I did show him the WTC7 fiasco and he accepted it but still says that there is nothing he can do. My daughter always scoffs at conspiracy 'theories'. When I tell her that they are not theories, she just turns off. But, she too is a very spiritual being, so that is good. She is ecclectic wiccan and tries to live by the Riccan Rede, and ye harm none philosophy.

My 18 year old grandson was pretty switched on but he is now going through a rebelious stage and is only interested in the things most 18 year old boys are interested in :D He has had some amazing experiences in his young life but I think they are a bit too much to deal with at the moment so he is 'forgetting' they ever happened. He had past life memories at an early age, a regression to find out why he was afraid of water and has had alien contact (the good guys, he used to call my buddies) and information.

Hence, a lot of time is spent with my friends here :p

[eyedontbelieveu]

I am willing to (and do) converse with any and all regarding what is behind any matter. Whether they see it depends on who controls Their Inner Minds Eye

[i_am]

I am willing to (and do) converse with any and all regarding what is behind any matter. Whether they see it depends on who controls Their Inner Minds Eye

I do too but it is nice to talk with people who are on the same wave length. :p

[tru3]

I don't have anyone close by but I have quite a few friends that when we get together, we have great discussions.

My family, although good people, don't want to know. My son is really on to the law of attraction and how it works and the spiritual aspect but does not want to know about conspiracies at all. He says there is nothing he can do to change it. I told him that he may feel differently when it impacts on him and his family. I did show him the WTC7 fiasco and he accepted it but still says that there is nothing he can do. My daughter always scoffs at conspiracy 'theories'. When I tell her that they are not theories, she just turns off. But, she too is a very spiritual being, so that is good. She is ecclectic wiccan and tries to live by the Riccan Rede, and ye harm none philosophy.

My 18 year old grandson was pretty switched on but he is now going through a rebelious stage and is only interested in the things most 18 year old boys are interested in :D He has had some amazing experiences in his young life but I think they are a bit too much to deal with at the moment so he is 'forgetting' they ever happened. He had past life memories at an early age, a regression to find out why he was afraid of water and has had alien contact (the good guys, he used to call my buddies) and information.

Hence, a lot of time is spent with my friends here :p

my dad was one of bush's rangers, fachrissake! i don't bother with him. my mom will listen. my son just thinks i'm coo coo (he's 21).

my wife is a blessing. that's all i can say. she's in this journey down the rabbit hole every step of the way.

if your grandson had exposure to this material early on, and he's emotionally healthy, then it seems to me he'll come out the other end all right. my son gets a kick out of his old man and doesn't take much seriously, but he does question things in his own way. that's all i can ask, i reckon. :)

[oneofmany]

Nobody close to me believes a word I say. I have been giving my Father more and more information on all sorts of things, and he is actually coming to the realisation that we are all slaves to an unseen power, but it hasn't been me to convince him, but one of his closet friends, who when he was talking to him about what I believe, his friend came clean about his own beliefs which are similar to my own, and my Father went into a bit of shock.

I had been showing him documentaries by Icke, Tsarion and a lot of others with little real effect, and then my Fathers best friend comes along and tells my Father that your son is on the right track, and all of a sudden my bashing my head against a wall, is now like bashing my head against a soft pillow.

My Mother won't believe a word of it, and I even heard her say this morning that she didn't even care about anything that I had been saying (I was ranting at the daily lies that my Mother believes everyday through the media on tv.) This woman tapes three channels of idiot box at a time :o

My brother just said he wanted to keep his head down, your probably right, but what I don't want to get involved.

My Best Friend is a slave to the material world, but I have brought these things up before, but it would spoil his lifestyle, so I don't bother, it's sad but we hardly see each other anymore.

My ex and I broke up recently because my beliefs and hers were like chalk and cheese, and after visiting Michael Tsarion's website recently, I actually discovered that this woman is a psychic vampire, and had been feeding of my energy for the past five years. I have stopped giving her energy altogether now for a few weeks, and it's amazing how much better, physically and mentally that I am feeling. Every weekday, she comes to pick up our son, and tries to feed off of me, but all I give her is hello, then goodbye. she is totally confused :confused:

My son is the light of my life, and I pour all my love into him everyday, and watching him grow and produce nothing but smiles for me warms my heart. I'm sure that he will get what I am all about when he's old enough, and make up his own mind, which is all I want for him, an opportunity to see what's going on from an early age.

I won't let me looking stupid in somebody else's eyes stop me from talking to them about these things, because I tell them what Icke tells everyone.

IT"S JUST INFORMATION, MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL!

[i_am]

One of the sad facts of this journey is that friends that you have had for years are no longer compatible. You tend to drift away. I remember after a very bad car accident, I was attending all sorts of classes etc as I could not work and it filled in the time. I was asked how I was going to improve my life and I answered that I was removing all negative people from my life. I was told that I couldn't do that to which I answered, " watch me. I have to. I need positive energy to heal not someone dragging me back." I have since made contact with some of these people again but we have nothing in common any more.

[tru3]

My ex and I broke up recently because my beliefs and hers were like chalk and cheese, and after visiting Michael Tsarion's website recently, I actually discovered that this woman is a psychic vampire, and had been feeding of my energy for the past five years. I have stopped giving her energy altogether now for a few weeks, and it's amazing how much better, physically and mentally that I am feeling. Every weekday, she comes to pick up our son, and tries to feed off of me, but all I give her is hello, then goodbye. she is totally confused

outstanding, mate! cheers! staying married for the "sake of the kids" has imprisoned more people than all the illuminati combined. it's a decision that can't be made lightly; i left my first wife after 12 years of marriage, for pretty much the same reasons. what was once "normal", became intolerable. and, it definately took me longer than five years to live what you're practising, but it does work. it always takes two to tango. ;)

and, my son's now 21, and he's come out the other side of all that "trauma drama". kids are more resilient than we give them credit for. they just want to see us happy, so they can learn to be happy. :)

[rainmaker]

Just my husband and my ex-husband - and you guys!

[oneofmany]

outstanding, mate! cheers! staying married for the "sake of the kids" has imprisoned more people than all the illuminati combined. it's a decision that can't be made lightly; i left my first wife after 12 years of marriage, for pretty much the same reasons. what was once "normal", became intolerable. and, it definately took me longer than five years to live what you're practising, but it does work. it always takes two to tango. ;)

and, my son's now 21, and he's come out the other side of all that "trauma drama". kids are more resilient than we give them credit for. they just want to see us happy, so they can learn to be happy. :)

Thanks for the acknowledgement. What I highlighted, is a big part of why I left, because I was starting to take all the pent up anger about being in the situation that I found myself in on everyone around me, and that's just not me at the end of the day. My son will know that I went out of my way to take an active roll in his life, and he will always know that I will be there for him for whatever he needs, and to me, that's priceless, because I still have both my parents and it was something I myself never had.

[oneofmany]

One of the sad facts of this journey is that friends that you have had for years are no longer compatible. You tend to drift away. I remember after a very bad car accident, I was attending all sorts of classes etc as I could not work and it filled in the time. I was asked how I was going to improve my life and I answered that I was removing all negative people from my life. I was told that I couldn't do that to which I answered, " watch me. I have to. I need positive energy to heal not someone dragging me back." I have since made contact with some of these people again but we have nothing in common any more.

I have been noticing this recently, and have gone out of my way to meet like-minded people. That's why I'm here to be honest.

[lumukanda]

well everyone in my family thinks i'm mad, even so, my dad and i have huge heated arguments about all kinds of things, but are able to switch it off, we've long since realised we've got different views and we respect that (hard as that may be sometimes).

my girlfriend knows the score, she couldn't be bothered with all the political stuff, she's more interested in the symbolism, history and mythology side of things, but i can talk openly, which is a godsend, i find it hard to keep quiet, i've ruined many a dinner party in my time.
as for my friends, i also talk freely, they know my views, they don't all hold them same views, but once again, they respect mine, i respect theirs, but i am lucky, at least they're aware of the scope of lies out there, they're not completely asleep.

[cleft_asunder]

Nobody close to me believes a word I say. I have been giving my Father more and more information on all sorts of things, and he is actually coming to the realisation that we are all slaves to an unseen power, but it hasn't been me to convince him, but one of his closet friends, who when he was talking to him about what I believe, his friend came clean about his own beliefs which are similar to my own, and my Father went into a bit of shock.

I had been showing him documentaries by Icke, Tsarion and a lot of others with little real effect, and then my Fathers best friend comes along and tells my Father that your son is on the right track, and all of a sudden my bashing my head against a wall, is now like bashing my head against a soft pillow.

My Mother won't believe a word of it, and I even heard her say this morning that she didn't even care about anything that I had been saying (I was ranting at the daily lies that my Mother believes everyday through the media on tv.) This woman tapes three channels of idiot box at a time :o

My brother just said he wanted to keep his head down, your probably right, but what I don't want to get involved.

My Best Friend is a slave to the material world, but I have brought these things up before, but it would spoil his lifestyle, so I don't bother, it's sad but we hardly see each other anymore.

My ex and I broke up recently because my beliefs and hers were like chalk and cheese, and after visiting Michael Tsarion's website recently, I actually discovered that this woman is a psychic vampire, and had been feeding of my energy for the past five years. I have stopped giving her energy altogether now for a few weeks, and it's amazing how much better, physically and mentally that I am feeling. Every weekday, she comes to pick up our son, and tries to feed off of me, but all I give her is hello, then goodbye. she is totally confused :confused:

My son is the light of my life, and I pour all my love into him everyday, and watching him grow and produce nothing but smiles for me warms my heart. I'm sure that he will get what I am all about when he's old enough, and make up his own mind, which is all I want for him, an opportunity to see what's going on from an early age.

I won't let me looking stupid in somebody else's eyes stop me from talking to them about these things, because I tell them what Icke tells everyone.

IT"S JUST INFORMATION, MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL!


You're tight.

[_invisibleplane_]

I've found a lot of wise people thus far through life, through various topics such as self sufficiency, environmental change, orgone, chemtrails, or just various conspiracy talk, of course a lot that are keeping their minds closed too...my parents are so-so, they believe chemtrails now, but dont look at things such as 911, my younger bros arent blind..

my gf isnt aggresively anti gov but understands all the crap committed, she focuses more on the positive vibe/creating your reality

i think its law of attraction..like minded people do eventually come into contact

[shadow cat]

I'm very lucky to have several family members I can discuss things with. ON-Line only as they live in another country. Daughter thinks I'm a complete fruit loop, and has the ability to look at Chemtrails and say "I really don't believe in them Mum" :confused: :D

[alison]

I cant talk to anyone. Most people stay with me on the control stuff and chemicals etc etc but they seem to think its enough just to be aware and that their "awareness" of such things makes them immune or even "open minded!!"... But when I go into the obvious set ups, circular movement of the environment etc etc they all think I,m completely insane, which is cool because I think that all the time. I have researched as much as I can about everything that has been triggered to me from Jesus to the true nature of reality but the more I seem to know the more reclusive I become. I'm not sure what part I'm supposed to be playing in all this but the attacks on my world are becoming more solid in this reality. I recieved hate mail yesturday, not a pleasant experience whether it was a joke or not, my son didnt sleep very well.

Sometimes I dont give a sh** if they sleep or not.


:cool:

[lookfar]

I'm very lucky to have a few people who I can talk to about this stuff. It's certainly helped me understand things more thoroughly to throw about a few ideas, get feedback & exchange opinions :) Although I'm well accustomed to the others who think I'm mad & following a David Icke cult or something, LOL!!

I also have a couple of mates who I'm attempting to wake up, they're open to most of it, except the reps at the moment :)

Have also connected with a couple of others recently through syncronicities. They have made a huge impact on my life & are treasured souls sharing this journey & I feel very blessed :) :D

[thirdwave]

I have a couple friends who are very open minded on this... but even people who are "awake" can get to rapped up in all the books and info and end up building their own walls...and sometimes you wonder if they have fell asleep again...

but I don't really care .... I talk about it to anyone and I have been called eccentric and strange but people generally listen....

my mate wont even talk about it to girls much because he is afraid he will be seen as a nutter and do his cred in, but for me if a girl mocks me for this info then there is nothing more off putting, and the chances are she would do my head in anyway...... that being said I get more interested folk than un interested.... because the simple fact is the info makes perfect sense.

[lumukanda]

well before i found the other icke forum, i was sure i was going mad, really. my girlfriend kind of helped, but i just thought she was humouring me, it is really important to be able to speak to others about this stuff, being caught in the 'normal' world, with 'normal' people, it can really make you a bit.... insane.

[thirdwave]

I'm very lucky to have several family members I can discuss things with. ON-Line only as they live in another country. Daughter thinks I'm a complete fruit loop, and has the ability to look at Chemtrails and say "I really don't believe in them Mum" :confused: :D





what she really means is, "I don't like thinking about that mum"

this is how so many people are.... my sister is the same, they are more focused on finding ways of making the info seem false than simply looking at facts....

when people are afraid they can be totaly blind...

I was listening to the George Galloway show on talk sport yesterday, who has been saving England from Jon Gaunt for a couple weeks.... he was basically having a go at the situation with these sailors selling their strange stories (lies) about what happened in Iran to the press..... also one of his points was, what was she doing there? as she looked very unfit and over weight..... his point was, what is she doing at the front line anyway!, let alone completely selling out against the interests of the navy by selling a crazy story........

Because he had a perfectly good point that the stories they sold where total gibberish and that the woman who was on the front line was not even fit enough to be there anyway, it made people un easy, so what did they say?

despite several ex servicemen phoning in in agreement with George,... these people were accusing George of being un respectful to the woman and that she is brave to be there and stuff.... yes ok, but were they taking in his point?...no just attacking him and acusing him of somthing he is not doing..

He could not have put the point any clearer that its not a case of respecting or not respecting her, but that the whole thing was a joke.... she should not have been in the front row as she was over weight and not fit enough ...and she should not have sold lies to the press after.... he was not blaming her as such, he was blaming the service's and exposing them... but no....you had these people phoning in attacking him for being disrespectful.... refusing to latch onto his point because it made them feel un comfortable....

even though his point was that the lies would only provoke Iran to not be so corporative with the next hostages.... or that people in the forces that are unfit will not only be at their best for the sevices, but will also get them self's hurt.....

but acourding to some phoning in, we must not say a thing and we must just show respect, when really its not respect, its just a way to hide ignorance and fear.

Crazy!

[truthsayer]

Most that I know are too preoccupied with their middle-class lives and brown nosing to ensure their worldly future to listen to me. Content with pub-quizes, the odd ball of footy and getting hammered is the extent of their preoccupation oh and of course their all important little jobs to pay for their worldly possesions all bought on credit. (If only they knew that even having credit is all part of our slavery?!)

When I have begun talking and only scratching the surface with these people they start to fidget and get uncomfortable, even to the point of ending our tea breaks so as to avoid any possibility I might prise their closed eyes open just enough to get a peek of the real world.

So, no only here really.

[2503]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on here. I dont mean to sound like the idiot radio caller, you know 'long time reader first time poster' but just saying hi. I have a couple of people i can talk to. My father got me interested in David about 6-7 months back and since then i have been on an emotional, information roller coaster. I quite often talk to my dad about the illuminati and manipulation but we never discuss spirituality, i only really discuss that with myself (if that doesnt sound too srange). I try to discuss all these things with my fiance, she doesnt understand but she listens and is very supportive, (i am the luckiest guy in the world because of her) even though she is perfecty happy ignoring the manipulation i will be there for her when she 'wakes up'. As for the rest of my family, i am afraid they are all in a deep sleep and do not even want to be woken. I try to discuss these with my friends and my brothers but they think i am crazy, who knows maybe i am. I guess my awakening has been a long time coming, ever since i was a child i was known as the 'thinker', always in a world of my own knowing there was something big i was missing, and i was depressed for as long as i can remember although i never took medication as i knew it was something greater than me and the pills would only numb my reality (even if it was confusing it was still my reality at the time). About 18 months ago i was looking into Buddhism, enlightenment and became a vegeterian, and other lifestyle changes and i am a bit better now. Since my introduction to Davids work, and others through research i feel i am finally on the right path. I know no one wants to read my life story so i wil stop typing now, i might be all over the place but maybe my posts will get better in time. Please be gentle with me.

[tommi]

I've got a couple of people I can talk to but not seen them for a while. I actually ended up falling out with a few people, been threatened and plenty of people think I'm off my head, but hey it's been like that my whole life ;)

Only last week, I was chatting to a couple of people at a party and we were talking about films and they were on about 'flight 93'. Long story short I said 'hey, it's only a film, not what really happened' to be met with 'no, it's documented fact'. Well I burst out laughing and after a bit more discussion, one of them turned a bit nasty and told me I was brainwashed as I didn't believe for one second that Bush and Blair were really running the countries (actually I know) and that 911 was the biggest scam on earth etc.

I personally couldn't give a flying f*** what people think of me.

[tinmenace]

I personally couldn't give a flying f*** what people think of me.

Bravo! Yeah, me neither. I certainly don't define my life by other people's opinions.

[lookfar]

Since my introduction to Davids work, and others through research i feel i am finally on the right path. I know no one wants to read my life story so i wil stop typing now, i might be all over the place but maybe my posts will get better in time. Please be gentle with me.

Hi 2503 & welcome :)

Good to see you're on the 'right path' & hope you enjoy it here :)

[i_am]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on here. I dont mean to sound like the idiot radio caller, you know 'long time reader first time poster' but just saying hi. I have a couple of people i can talk to. My father got me interested in David about 6-7 months back and since then i have been on an emotional, information roller coaster. I quite often talk to my dad about the illuminati and manipulation but we never discuss spirituality, i only really discuss that with myself (if that doesnt sound too srange). I try to discuss all these things with my fiance, she doesnt understand but she listens and is very supportive, (i am the luckiest guy in the world because of her) even though she is perfecty happy ignoring the manipulation i will be there for her when she 'wakes up'. As for the rest of my family, i am afraid they are all in a deep sleep and do not even want to be woken. I try to discuss these with my friends and my brothers but they think i am crazy, who knows maybe i am. I guess my awakening has been a long time coming, ever since i was a child i was known as the 'thinker', always in a world of my own knowing there was something big i was missing, and i was depressed for as long as i can remember although i never took medication as i knew it was something greater than me and the pills would only numb my reality (even if it was confusing it was still my reality at the time). About 18 months ago i was looking into Buddhism, enlightenment and became a vegeterian, and other lifestyle changes and i am a bit better now. Since my introduction to Davids work, and others through research i feel i am finally on the right path. I know no one wants to read my life story so i wil stop typing now, i might be all over the place but maybe my posts will get better in time. Please be gentle with me.

Welcome 2503.

I hope you will like it here and enter into many more discussions. I am SURE you are on the right path and the wonderful people here will always be here to ramble on to :D It is great to have so many like minded souls who are not only aware of the games being played but also spiritually evolved.

It is hard not to be all over the place when you can connect because there is so much bottled up that you want to say.

[lightbeing]

I have a few friends I can talk to, but my family is a big 'no go' for this stuff:( I learnt a tough lesson back in 2004, my wifes family nearly sectioned me:mad: At the time I was getting some incredible contact with UFOs & stuff, so I wanted to talk about it with them, big mistake! They really did think I was losing my mind:eek: This was strange as I had from 2001 filmed many hours of wierd objects in the sky, this didn't help!

I tried bringing the chemtrail problem to my wifes attention recently, she just said "don't go all wierd on me again like the UFOs, what can I do about them anyway" She is unfortunately, well & truly asleep in the Matrix..........

I really hope that come 2012, my wife like so many others will have to wake up and realise that life isn't what it appears to be.............

[tommi]

Bravo! Yeah, me neither. I certainly don't define my life by other people's opinions.

Jees if I did I'd be a nervous wreck!!

[oneofmany]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on here. I dont mean to sound like the idiot radio caller, you know 'long time reader first time poster' but just saying hi. I have a couple of people i can talk to. My father got me interested in David about 6-7 months back and since then i have been on an emotional, information roller coaster. I quite often talk to my dad about the illuminati and manipulation but we never discuss spirituality, i only really discuss that with myself (if that doesnt sound too srange). I try to discuss all these things with my fiance, she doesnt understand but she listens and is very supportive, (i am the luckiest guy in the world because of her) even though she is perfecty happy ignoring the manipulation i will be there for her when she 'wakes up'. As for the rest of my family, i am afraid they are all in a deep sleep and do not even want to be woken. I try to discuss these with my friends and my brothers but they think i am crazy, who knows maybe i am. I guess my awakening has been a long time coming, ever since i was a child i was known as the 'thinker', always in a world of my own knowing there was something big i was missing, and i was depressed for as long as i can remember although i never took medication as i knew it was something greater than me and the pills would only numb my reality (even if it was confusing it was still my reality at the time). About 18 months ago i was looking into Buddhism, enlightenment and became a vegeterian, and other lifestyle changes and i am a bit better now. Since my introduction to Davids work, and others through research i feel i am finally on the right path. I know no one wants to read my life story so i wil stop typing now, i might be all over the place but maybe my posts will get better in time. Please be gentle with me.

This can change really quickly, so just watch yourself. people that don't understand, don't for a reason, and usually that is that they believe the bullshit in one form or another that is being sold to them on a daily basis. This is where i started in my last relationship, and when you grow beyond them spiritually, that's when the shit hits the fan with your relationship. If they ain't with you, 9 times out of ten, their against you in the end. I hope I'm wrong, but something tells me that I'm not. Good luck, I really wish you the best.

[auron]

So so many similar stories here! The same happened with me a few years ago, when i started getting into all this stuff. No-one to talk to, family not understanding, etc. I used to be really down all the time, not having people around me to talk to about the world. Now I couldn't care less what anyboby thinks or says about me, as i know they are stupid shallow fucks, with hollow pathetic lives.:D

It was places on the net like this forum and many others, that have kept me relatively sane!

So i say bollocks to what people think about you! as long as we can keep each other sane, and help one another through this forum, we will be fine!:)

Love Auron

[falseflag]

Yeah, I think I've had difficulties explaining this brave new world, (although nothing new about it, really), I'm seeing (and only beginning to scratch the surface of), with my friends, and to a degree with my close family. I've actually stopped talking, to most of them about such issues, as such, its a relief to have this forum, too actually talk amongst freethinkers.
I've actually been making some progress lately though, with my girlfriend, who is Greek Orthodox. I'm pretty sure you can imagine, some of the difficulties I have had concerning religion and such matters. Surprisingly though, she has come around to some degree lately, too the point where she is pointing out ancient sun symbolism to me.
But there are certain times, like Easter just gone, where she slips back into the dogma and tradition, and simply excepts it all again (Jesus as presenting something new...no its the same sun shit) when I remind her, her response is "well if I think its the Jesus I want, then it is". I actually went with her to the church, for her communion, and it is scary stuff, pure hypnotised people. The really ancient symbolism is so obvious, yet the people in the church, are simply blind to it.

[falseflag]

When it comes to my parents, they kind of realise that what I'm telling them, maybe happening. But they worryingly, seem to have no concept of ideology, and that this way of life, capitalism etc is not natural, only meant to appear as such. So the information I give them, does not really effect them in there day to day lives. I guess they have already spent over half there lives, believing in what they where doing and simply don't want to accept, that they have been conned.

[whitenight639]

yer screw your offline friends that aint awake yet thats why we all here, and why i have my email on my profile, i dunno if you lot dont because your scared of electronic harrasment or are scared of what your friends/ collegues would think if they found u on here.

anyway i have 1 mate i talk to bout this but he's still in the first stage of thats mad.. i believe it.. but i dont want to know about how deep it goes.
also have my mrs to be fair she hasnt put me in a straight jacket yet and she listerns to what i have to say and has been know to check this foum out!

:)

[2503]

Hi 2503 & welcome :)

Good to see you're on the 'right path' & hope you enjoy it here :)

Thanks for welcoming me guys, i find it hard to make time to write posts as working takes up most of my time these days, hopefully soon when i make enough money i can work part time and spend my time understanding my reality, but as for now...back to work, i got bills to pay.

[jinjo5]

No,im on my own on this one.
There are times when im on the verge.....usually after a few drinks...of
opening a conversation with someone who might appreciate these subjects,then i pull back at the last minute.
Best keep it to myself.....for now.:D

[bigus_dickus]

uhh... you mean "how many of you have others who agree with what you say"

i have never had a problem talking to anyone. they listen, they don't have to agree, i don't have to convince them.

same as me, i listen, i don't have to agree, i don't have to believe.

[jinjo5]

Its not a question of if anyone agrees with me or not,couldnt care less.
Its just at times i feel im gunna start a conversation up then i think
...sod it....cant be arsed to.:D

[melbo]

My mother has never believed in global warming, and she watched the loose change documentary. She's watched David Icke's dvd but lost interest when he talked about reptiles. So I can talk to her about some stuff.

My fiance doesn't believe in any of it, but I've managed to get him to watch a few documentaries in the hope of opening him up to alternate points of view to the mainstream media.

People don't want to believe most of what we've learnt because its so scary, the sheer scale of it all. So I try to drop little seeds of an alternative point of view into conversations, so that people don't think I'm completely whacko and maybe one of the seeds will take root!

My kids think I'm nuts anyway (they're 16 and 18) but they've heard me ranting so much that some of the truth must have stayed in their consciousness!

So I don't really have anyone to talk to properly about all this stuff.

[john white]

Fair enough gang, lots of totally understandable comments

Mine is to say:

We are all surrounded by people to talk to

Attract them

(flex your energy beyond your eggshell)

[tommi]

Fair enough gang, lots of totally understandable comments

Mine is to say:

We are all surrounded by people to talk to

Attract them

(flex your energy beyond your eggshell)

Good point..

I'm seriously considering doing a talk at a mind body spirit festival in june on what's going on in the world, reptiles, nwo, ancient history etc. but just need to get more coherent info together. I'm not afraid to stand up and make a complete arse of myself, just want to know that I'll be able to deliver the correct info..

[truthseeker1980]

For years I was on my own and my friends would laugh at me, I started thinking about most of the theories before i had done any of the research and dismissed David as mad until 2002.

Since then i have realised i must have always known this and learnt it from the collective conciousness, which is why some of the theories were the same as what i thought i had come up with myself.

In 2003 a mass awakening must have happened as two off my close friends who used to laugh at me, started beleiving and researching themselves. We watched david's brixton DVD in 2005 and since then i meet more and more people out and about who have are now suddenly interested.

I did used to have big rows with my ex girlfriend though, even for complaing that Coke are advertising Coke Zero as healthier than normal Coke when it has Aspartame in it instead of sugar, for some reason it would really wind her up. I've since learnt she may have been a red dress program anyway and is happy living a sheltered life with her parents at the age of 26.

My mum thinks i'm mad though and gets annoyed if i mumble about the war propoganda on the TV, my dad is the same, they just don't want to know and get really annoyed i think that way.

Oh well, more and more people are awakening every day, so within the next few years leading up to 2012, maybe some more of my friends will see that everything we think is real, is an illusion and that we are stuck in a matrix.

[john white]

Good point..

I'm seriously considering doing a talk at a mind body spirit festival in june on what's going on in the world, reptiles, nwo, ancient history etc. but just need to get more coherent info together. I'm not afraid to stand up and make a complete arse of myself, just want to know that I'll be able to deliver the correct info..

Nice one mate, do it

I'm hoping to do a talk myself soon and if I can get it taped I shall bang it on google and let people know

[tommi]

Good on ya mate, hope all goes well..

Have you (or anyone) got any tips on how to do a decent presentation?

[anoninnyc]

Most that I know are too preoccupied with their middle-class lives and brown nosing to ensure their worldly future to listen to me. Content with pub-quizes, the odd ball of footy and getting hammered is the extent of their preoccupation oh and of course their all important little jobs to pay for their worldly possesions all bought on credit. (If only they knew that even having credit is all part of our slavery?!)

When I have begun talking and only scratching the surface with these people they start to fidget and get uncomfortable, even to the point of ending our tea breaks so as to avoid any possibility I might prise their closed eyes open just enough to get a peek of the real world.

So, no only here really.

this is exactly why i dont bother with most people. what is the saying? something about throwing pearls before swine.

[anoninnyc]

How can you live with someone like that?

i realize that people dont want to listen or hear, because then they might have to actually acknowledge the truth and they much prefer to live in ignorance. then they have no responsibility to do anything to change things. it is definitely not ideal to be married to someone who mocks my belief in the illuminati, conspiracies, etc. however i have learned to just not talk about it. or at least not talk about it in an overt way. my husband is very anti-bush, but he is also pro-hilary, not realizing that they are two sides of the same coin. so i bring up certain clinton or democrat policies/scandals/whatever to make a point. then he cant help but agree but says that the democrats are the lesser of the two evils. which is true. when both choices are evil, is there truly a real legitimate choice? so although i have had no success in opening his eyes to the big picture, i have shown him glimpses here and there. noone is perfect and i love my husband dearly. he is way too materialistic and power driven, which i believe is at the root of why he makes fun of my beliefs. but i know that i am correct and i dont need to push it on anyone. ps. he wasnt always like this.... we have been together since childhood and the "real world" (ironic term, eh) really can warp a person. and i understand that men especially get their self-worth from their career, bank accounts, etc. i know that at the core of it, he is a good person, but this is an imperfect world we live in .

[chattanova]

I've tried hard to make them understand but it's not easy.
But I have a few on my side:cool:

[purpledream]

I try to talk about it to people, but they all just switch off or laugh and say I am going crazy.

I decided to join this forum so I can hopefully connect with some others who also know what is going on.

It all so seems obvious to me it is hard for me to understand why my friends just can't see it.

[lookfar]

I try to talk about it to people, but they all just switch off or laugh and say I am going crazy.

I decided to join this forum so I can hopefully connect with some others who also know what is going on.

It all so seems obvious to me it is hard for me to understand why my friends just can't see it.

Hi purpledream

It's a good place to be, there are great people on here for sure :)

Maybe it's just not their time to wake up yet, but by still talking to them about it you're planting seeds, so they may get led to discovering it all. Let's hope to anyway eh :)

:)

[auron]

It all so seems obvious to me it is hard for me to understand why my friends just can't see it.

Most people are still in a hypnotic trance, they can't see what appears so painstakingly obvious to free-thinkers like ourselves. You can say what you like to these poor souls, present them with evidence etc, yet they won't buy into any of it. I used to get really down when i couldn't get through to those around me i love, because it really hurt when they would call me crazy and other such names.:mad:

I have come to realize that it is pointless even trying anymore, so i just keep quiet about it, and focus my attention instead on learning more things on the net until i can maybe one day speak like David Icke does to many people. Which i think has a much more profound effect at waking people up! :)

Love Auron

[chester]

few

[chester]

once you cross an undefinable line, its hard as hell not to just grab them and shake them and tell them, "wake up, pleeeeaaaasseeeeee"

[auron]

I'd say it gets easier as time goes by, learning to live amongst the sheeple!

I have personally found that a guy named Eckhart Tolle tells it quite well, on remaining focused and free of negative energy:) He is the most chilled out guy i have ever come across!

Love Auron

[roxanna222]

I don't try anymore. If it comes up as in will affect either myself or my child then by all means I'll provide a reason. An example to that is the school my daughter attends. They want her on their vaccination program. I of course said in not so many words, hell no. I was asked as to why and gave them the information. There are other examples with this school and needless to say I'm not popular there but then hey my thinking is kiss my ass. I just could care less. Its about protecting my child in the end. My father was angry I went to Eire to visit with my lover instead of him with my child. He asked the reason why and I gave it to him straight up ( I want nothing to do with the states he can easily come visit here-while we are still in CR or when we relocate to Eire. Ive had no contact with him since. Basically lost him as well as other family members I have. A price to be paid but best not to hide ones beliefs from anyone regardless. I prefer to give it straight up and maybe just maybe will get them to think on all of this. Cheers to all

[auron]

Do what you believe is best for yourself and your child, and keep on going! We're all behind you :)

[roxanna222]

Do what you believe is best for yourself and your child, and keep on going! We're all behind you :)

Hey bless. Its not hard for me as I'm always up to be contrary if I feel I'm in the right. :D Its actually fun for me. I like shocking them. A release if you will and hopefully plants a seed. Cheers

[auron]

Thats great to hear! I like your spirit! :)

[chester]

Roxanna is in Costa Rica (where I happen to live right now) and Auron is from Manchester, where I happen to work right now! Hi Auron! I'm just inside the City Center just off of Deansgate!

[roxanna222]

Small world eh? I'm just stoked that theres another Costa Rica person(not by birth etc.) but representing this part of the world besides me! Gets lonely being the only one from here. Id lost hope in the ticos as far as waking up goes. Even if hes not "from" here still nice to know someone in the country alert. Cheers

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

I don’t really have anybody that I can talk to about this stuff......at work conversations crop up about what’s going on in the world and people give their views which are all locked in to the mind controlled reality that’s been created for them by “The Powers That Be”......I think for someone to comprehend my way of thinking they would first have to read The Biggest Secret to really understand where I’m coming from......and then they would have to be open minded enough to comprehend what it says.


My brother is a mind controlled Jehovah Witness.....and I’ve tried telling him about the subliminal pictures in their publications and that the organisation was started by the 33º freemason Charles Taze Russell ......but he’s been so mind controlled through fear that he just won’t listen.......they told him to be very watchful of his own family as the Devil would try to work through them to turn him away from the truth......I guess he must think the Devil is working through me.

I suppose I’m just surrounded by mind-controlled people who are locked into the matrix.......:rolleyes:

Thankfully I can come here and live in the real world.........:)


Love
&
Peace

[graflok]

I try to talk about it to people, but they all just switch off or laugh and say I am going crazy.

I decided to join this forum so I can hopefully connect with some others who also know what is going on.

It all so seems obvious to me it is hard for me to understand why my friends just can't see it.

I say don't be discouraged by this. Sometimes it takes a while for the truth to sink in. If you tell them and they reject it but later they catch a glimpse of the charade for themselves, they may just have a realization.

These are deeply concealed secrets. The effort that has gone into keeping them hidden is enormous. It takes some extraordinary perception and courage to see them. You're probably smarter than you realize.

graflok

[roxanna222]

Yes I agree with graflok. Do not be disheartened. You know you are doing your best you know what the writings on the wall are, so the rest however painful and I know it is particulary if another family member is up against one or has cast one out so to speak you are amoung like people here. Its been a blessing to me as well.

[tru3]

I say don't be discouraged by this. Sometimes it takes a while for the truth to sink in. If you tell them and they reject it but later they catch a glimpse of the charade for themselves, they may just have a realization.

These are deeply concealed secrets. The effort that has gone into keeping them hidden is enormous. It takes some extraordinary perception and courage to see them. You're probably smarter than you realize.

graflok

if left alone, i feel people would do pretty well. it's my own belief that people are in denial about the level of treachery that is concievable by certain members of our specie. and, their own complicity in it when they trade security for freedom. i have observed that most people, in general, have one foot in the past, one foot in the future, and they're pissin' on the Present. :)

[roxanna222]

Yes loads of denial out there. So tell me who out there doesnt enjoy sweets??

[anoninnyc]

I'd say it gets easier as time goes by, learning to live amongst the sheeple!

I have personally found that a guy named Eckhart Tolle tells it quite well, on remaining focused and free of negative energy:) He is the most chilled out guy i have ever come across!

Love Auron

the power of now got me through a really rough patch in my life.

[who elsie]

I can identify with alot of the comments on this thread, but I've come to realise that the best way to get people interested in these kind of ideologies is not to try and persuade anyone of anything, as people will do anything to defend their existing belief system if they feel it is being threatened, but to let them come to you, by means of subtley raising their curiosity. A favourite technique of mine is to leave a copy of a David Icke book lying around on the coffee table when you have guests around. Just see how long it takes before they ask you about it! It works almost every time and before you know it, you are into an indepth discussion about the illuminati and how 9/11 was an inside job etc etc - and they initiated the discussion, not you. Chances are that they will even ask to borrow the book, then, of course, it's upto Mr Icke to do the rest - and if people do actually sit down and read Icke, they very rarely dismiss it all. Hope this helps.

[auron]

Great advice :)

[narcolepticwatchman]

Luckily enough, one of my best friends (crowd control on here) is as into this type of subject as i am. I can talk to him about things without fear of ridicule. i have other friends who are not really interested, i think they realise to a certain extent what is going on, but the feeling of smallness and the 'nothing we can do about it' attitude prevails. I think personal circumstance ie family, work etc has a lot to do with not finding out more. too much distraction, but then again, that is exactly they way THEY have orchestrated and want it.

I also talk about it in work. most laugh, but i talk about it anyway. One guy actually used to argue these topics with me, then he started reading Icke, now he is putting me onto things to research. As it is said, the truth has 3 stages. i believe if anyone spends some time researching this stuff they will have no doubts. As Icke said, the jump between movie and reality is too huge for most to make the leap of faith.

[indigo]

I can identify with alot of the comments on this thread, but I've come to realise that the best way to get people interested in these kind of ideologies is not to try and persuade anyone of anything, as people will do anything to defend their existing belief system if they feel it is being threatened, but to let them come to you, by means of subtley raising their curiosity. A favourite technique of mine is to leave a copy of a David Icke book lying around on the coffee table when you have guests around. Just see how long it takes before they ask you about it! It works almost every time and before you know it, you are into an indepth discussion about the illuminati and how 9/11 was an inside job etc etc - and they initiated the discussion, not you. Chances are that they will even ask to borrow the book, then, of course, it's upto Mr Icke to do the rest - and if people do actually sit down and read Icke, they very rarely dismiss it all. Hope this helps.
I'm starting to agree with that. I'm fed up of being called a nutter for my beliefs:rolleyes:

[tru3]

Great advice :)

yes, it is. i'm really clumsy at this, but my wife is really good at it. she'll throw out little "catch phrases" to see if someone picks up on them. she has a way of making people think it's their idea. lol

[who elsie]

yes, it is. i'm really clumsy at this, but my wife is really good at it. she'll throw out little "catch phrases" to see if someone picks up on them. she has a way of making people think it's their idea. lol

Yeah. Like it. And you're right. - you do have to be very subtle about it. It can be very frustrating, I know, when other people just can't see the world the way we do, but I see light at the end of the tunnel. I honestly believe that 9/11 is the key to unlocking so many people. Once you've got someone's attention, through whatever means you can, be gentle with them and focus on the provable lies and cover-ups re 9/11. Forget shapeshifting lizards and all the 'heavier' Icke topics (for now), because, without the detailed background, that is the quickest way to lose them. When people are confronted with facts that they were totally unaware of before, such as the impossible collapsing of the towers in 8 seconds (freefall rate) when no other steel structured building has ever collapsed from fire before and the fiasco surrounding the collapse of Building 7 etc then people start to sit up and take notice. But don't expect it to happen over night. It may take years with some people before the penny finally drops, but you can at least plant a sead.

[jinjo5]

Yeah. Like it. And you're right. - you do have to be very subtle about it. It can be very frustrating, I know, when other people just can't see the world the way we do, but I see light at the end of the tunnel. I honestly believe that 9/11 is the key to unlocking so many people. Once you've got someone's attention, through whatever means you can, be gentle with them and focus on the provable lies and cover-ups re 9/11. Forget shapeshifting lizards and all the 'heavier' Icke topics (for now), because, without the detailed background, that is the quickest way to lose them. When people are confronted with facts that they were totally unaware of before, such as the impossible collapsing of the towers in 8 seconds (freefall rate) when no other steel structured building has ever collapsed from fire before and the fiasco surrounding the collapse of Building 7 etc then people start to sit up and take notice. But don't expect it to happen over night. It may take years with some people before the penny finally drops, but you can at least plant a sead.
Of all the conspiracy theories,for want of a better word,9/11 is by far the most convincing,but if thats true then it brings in all the related issues.....that the world governments are corrupt.........and really,there isnt much doubt about that.

[tru3]

Yeah. Like it. And you're right. - you do have to be very subtle about it. It can be very frustrating, I know, when other people just can't see the world the way we do, but I see light at the end of the tunnel. I honestly believe that 9/11 is the key to unlocking so many people. Once you've got someone's attention, through whatever means you can, be gentle with them and focus on the provable lies and cover-ups re 9/11. Forget shapeshifting lizards and all the 'heavier' Icke topics (for now), because, without the detailed background, that is the quickest way to lose them. When people are confronted with facts that they were totally unaware of before, such as the impossible collapsing of the towers in 8 seconds (freefall rate) when no other steel structured building has ever collapsed from fire before and the fiasco surrounding the collapse of Building 7 etc then people start to sit up and take notice. But don't expect it to happen over night. It may take years with some people before the penny finally drops, but you can at least plant a sead.

i've heard about studies long ago where it was found that it is just about impossible for anyone to change more than five percent of their beliefs in a single sitting. it does take time.

[cycle of eternity]

i talk about whatever with whomever i please. they don't always believe me,
even people and family close to me, but i don't let it hurt my feelings or even
affect me. like Icke says, it's none of anyone's business what the next person
feels or thinks - everyone haves their opinions that aren't in line with yours.
that's what bothers me about this "truth" movement - with all the debating,
whether you can 'prove' or 'document' something, most just want to find a truth
everyone can agree with and aren't really looking for the truth. the mentality
is like: "yeah i can handle the truth, tell me...no no no no no...yeah tell me".

So how it works? Speak your own truth, in pursuit of more truth and not the
next persons - don't get caught up with what others think. I'm not saying
it's bad to learn or to observe what other's say, just use your own common
sense.

By what i've experienced, it's better to get in touch with nature through yourself
and a lot of things become clear with out all the b.s. of what's 'right and 'wrong'.

[xdnax]

my gf, who understands it all, and i explain it to alot of people too. it's funny though when you show people a bit of info and they cant comprehend it, so you try and explain the background to it all and you completely lose them lmao

my david icke books get read and then passed around.

god knows how many copies of loose change i have lent out or given to people!!!!
my views are my views and i express them regardless.

[eternal_spirit]

Me? No one. Wondering who does and how it works.

No one, but I do preach a bit lol. Sometimes I mean to talk to friends and family about my research and do.
Sometimes, I start to talk about it, without planning on doing so, as if I'm on automatic like playing a recording, the words just keep falling out my mouth, half the time I get the look ( here he goes again lol)

It's like a big jigsaw puzzle.... and most people are truly puzzled because they only half a few pieces of the puzzle, so it's difficult for them to understand.

It's a bit like a computer expert tying to explain how the Internet works to a newbie.:rolleyes:

[roxanna222]

It's a bit like a computer expert tying to explain how the Internet works to a newbie.:rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
Some excellent posts on here. This quote above is a great way of putting how its quite complicated to explain. So true so many ramifications the web reaches far and wide, eh? I usually start with 911 and offer up websites for their perusal. In the hopes of planting a seed. Though now I rarely speak of it save for a one certain someone. Cheers to all

[anoninnyc]

roxanna, so you live in costa rica but are you costa rican or an expat? i would figure that if you are an expat there would be more people to talk to about this sort of thing than usual, as it would be a group of people who are kind of hippy, or wanted to drop out of the rat race. i have been to costa rica and found it very beautiful.

[midwich cuckoo]

I'm very lucky to have parents who are awake and have great insight as to what's going on in this world. :)

[roxanna222]

=anoninnyc;29455]roxanna, so you live in costa rica but are you costa rican or an expat? i would figure that if you are an expat there would be more people to talk to about this sort of thing than usual, as it would be a group of people who are kind of hippy, or wanted to drop out of the rat race. i have been to costa rica and found it very beautiful.

Well I was born and raised in the states. My mother is costarican and so I have alot of family here and having been coming here since birth really. I chose between the two countries Costa Rica as the states I just cant stand. No offence please to any living there its just not my cup of tea. So Ive been here now for many years. As for people of like minds. The first I heard of was Chester whos a member and expat on this forum. Here in the country however most expats work in the gaming industry and love the fact that here coke and other drugs dirtcheap. So basically sort of sleazy folks. Sure cool ones out there but Im not a big socializer so havent checked. Ive nothing against pot Ive done coke (dont like) but I cant preach on any of it either. Just the sort we get are in the majority a type who make alot of money here compared to the cost of living here and so choose to party as opposed to awareness. Also Im planning on moving out of the country so not much point in trying to find like minds here. Im glad you came here and found it beautiful. It really is but my ship is awaiting me. Cheers and If I may ask what country do you reside in?

[anoninnyc]

i live in america, new york city to be exact. i dont really think it is a healthy place to live (spiritually and physically too probably). hopefully i will escape soon. to where i dont know.

[roxanna222]

Yeah I hear you anoninnyc. Me, I'm heading to Eire but we hope to settle somewhere in the middle of Spain perhaps. Safer grounds then an island you see. Cheers

[aznality]

Hey everyone, thanks for sharing your experiences. This is probably one of the best threads in the 'general' section at the moment. It's interesting hearing out what kind of situations other people like myself are in.

I will have to say I'm fortunate to have friends who hear me out. I have a uni friend who I talk loads about these kinda stuff to, and she is very open about it too. When I get to the topic of reps, she thinks it is possible. And I have another friend who lives close by who I talk frequent about these subjects too also. She accepts everything I say, although she doesn't know what to think about particular topics sometimes, such as reps. But she questions her Christian background more and more now, after I convinced her that it is a prison religion. And she believes the 9/11 was a conspiracy too.

I have a few other friends who I talk to about this sometimes. Some don't necessarily agree with everything, but they accept my views. Others friends don't really care or don't think it is possible, but they don't mock me about it.

As for family, I haven't really discussed these things with my parents. Although, I probably will have to sooner or later. My brother only believes what I have to say about religion, because he is atheist. But everything else, he thinks is nonsense.