BBC Documentry on Survivalists

[jim fear]

Alot of the survivalists sound like nutters, but living in the times we are now i think they've got alot of insight

Part 1 here.... (You can find the rest on Youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yOkt-v0Goc

The nazi guys are F**king annoying, but i like "mike" seems like a nice guy!

Enjoy

[steevo]

The program was very interesting. It must have been filmed prior to 2000 cos Mike said that he expected the civil unrest to start by 2000.
I wonder what the latest is with him.
I didnt trust that Colonel fellar at the beginning he seemed like some sort of "plant" by the CIA but I could be wrong.

The film, as usual, was a piece of propaganda in my opinion. They cleverly dressed it up SUBTLY so that anyone who is against the NWO looks like some sort of Nazi Racist. For example, it said something like "the survivalists are SAID TO have been "linked to" the Arean Church (who are Nazis)".
Also, they use the word "Covernant" alot of times in the film, which the sheeple, in their subconcious, will relate to witchcraft/satanism.

I dont trust Louis Theroux but I do like to watch the programs he is in cos they are usually very interesting. Thanks for posting Jim :)

[steevo]

I have warmed to Louis Theroux. I think that he COULD BE a good guy,.... but I still stand by the OTHER stuff that I said in my previous post.
That documentary is pretty good.

[sannox]

this programme wasnt about survivalists it was about red neck nazis ,
titles misleading imo .

[steevo]

this programme wasnt about survivalists it was about red neck nazis ,
titles misleading imo .

It IS about "survivalists". The nazis are a separate group, but the BBC propaganda machine sneakily combined the two, making them look to be related - Probably to discredit the survivalists.

[tom bombadil]

The programe showed quite a few perspectives, from the guy living in the woods, to the complete comunity.

It was about survivalists through and through.

It also, did show a rather exacting point of view concerning guns etc. For a brit without the ability to use firearms in the same way it could come over as violent. In my view though, as I get to understand the pro gun point of view, or rather the right to have one to use as they wish (lawfully) I can look bvack at this program and like it more.


nelly.

[sannox]

It IS about "survivalists". The nazis are a separate group, but the BBC propaganda machine sneakily combined the two, making them look to be related - Probably to discredit the survivalists.

it was actually about survivalists and right wing patriots steevo ,
louis says this in first five minutes while on plane .

[steevo]

it was actually about survivalists and right wing patriots steevo ,
louis says this in first five minutes while on plane .

Yes that is the deceptive bit of it. They are basically saying that they are one in the same thing. I am guessing that Theroux was told to present it that way.

[sannox]

The programe showed quite a few perspectives, from the guy living in the woods, to the complete comunity.

It was about survivalists through and through.

It also, did show a rather exacting point of view concerning guns etc. For a brit without the ability to use firearms in the same way it could come over as violent. In my view though, as I get to understand the pro gun point of view, or rather the right to have one to use as they wish (lawfully) I can look bvack at this program and like it more.


nelly.

oh gimme a break since when was a gun an instrument of fucking peace ,
when tshtf its time for change not time to start killing everyone who tries to steal your stash of gold and beans while you await a new president to moan about for the rest of your life .

[sannox]

Yes that is the deceptive bit of it. They are basically saying that they are one in the same thing. I am guessing that Theroux was told to present it that way.

the bbc showed other "survival" programmes this was not nor intended to be one of ray mears expeditions or bear grylls adventures in hotels it was clearly explained as a right wing survivalist documentary , not a hey look this is how to cope in the wild that was other shows .

[steevo]

the bbc showed other "survival" programmes this was not nor intended to be one of ray mears expeditions or bear grylls adventures in hotels it was clearly explained as a right wing survivalist documentary , not a hey look this is how to cope in the wild that was other shows .

Yes I know that, but the deception by the BBC is that one group of people who are anti-NWO, have been SNEAKILY linked together with right wing nazi extremists.

[tom bombadil]

oh gimme a break since when was a gun an instrument of fucking peace ,
when tshtf its time for change not time to start killing everyone who tries to steal your stash of gold and beans while you await a new president to moan about for the rest of your life .

Calm down mate, the post was just my view!! Also, did i say it was an instument of peace?

You are just upset cos you dont understand my point of view, I think. Never mind.

The program didnt say much about the survivalist type going out there and gaining stuff by the use of their gun, did it? It did make a big thing of them keeping guns from twats that think that they are the answer to peace, ie the official that 'invades' their lands. Note 'official' Its not called law enforcement for nout. Did you miss that bit or are you just being selective?

The last bit, the bit that was a general rant I feel, as I dont see myself killing just anyone that tries it on, and as for waiting for an authority figure, like the American gangster troup that maskerades as 'the leaders' in the Americas when they are only leaders of the USA, well that aint me, or I feel, aint most folk on these pages.


Calm down dear, you will only get upset (best keep a firearm from your mits, eh! :p)


nelly. :)

[sannox]

Calm down mate, the post was just my view!! Also, did i say it was an instument of peace?

You are just upset cos you dont understand my point of view, I think. Never mind.

The program didnt say much about the survivalist type going out there and gaining stuff by the use of their gun, did it? It did make a big thing of them keeping guns from twats that think that they are the answer to peace, ie the official that 'invades' their lands. Note 'official' Its not called law enforcement for nout. Did you miss that bit or are you just being selective?

The last bit, the bit that was a general rant I feel, as I dont see myself killing just anyone that tries it on, and as for waiting for an authority figure, like the American gangster troup that maskerades as 'the leaders' in the Americas when they are only leaders of the USA, well that aint me, or I feel, aint most folk on these pages.


Calm down dear, you will only get upset (best keep a firearm from your mits, eh! :p)


nelly. :)

hey nice one copy fox news directive on handling people that dont tow the line :rolleyes:

im rubbished out of hand using such strong evidence as your opinion alone .

your quote i highlighted was inferring brits dont know gun culture and see it as violence related only ?
my response was to the item itself "the gun " which could hardly be seen as anything but a tool of violence , put two starving armed survivalists in a field with a can of soup in the middle and see what the likely outcome is ,
guns wont and never have solved a single problem for humanity .

[sannox]

Yes I know that, but the deception by the BBC is that one group of people who are anti-NWO, have been SNEAKILY linked together with right wing nazi extremists.

i would accept that had the programme not explained the difference and in fact highlighted those who perhaps hijack the notion of bushcraft etc as extremists looking to justify their existence via a fear of nwo ,

i really do get what your saying steevo and understand how average prime time veiwers could be misled by title .

[tom bombadil]

hey nice one copy fox news directive on handling people that dont tow the line :rolleyes:

im rubbished out of hand using such strong evidence as your opinion alone .

Tow what line sannox? The way you put me along side Fox News is one way to make your point I suppose, but please dont. I dont deserve that, surely?

I didnt mean to 'rubbish' you mate. I always try and be impartial. (I try :rolleyes:) My view is just that, as is yours.

You do have a passion for what you believe and I like that:cool: But I dont think we can agree on everything, can we?


Chill.



your quote i highlighted was inferring brits dont know gun culture and see it as violence related only ?

No. I was refering to the general brit that might be watching that show, when it was aired and for the audiance it was aimed at. The show did portray the gun owner as normal. But he used surprise and had an air of fear. This was not warented, and was used for effect. remember him sitting in the car in the morning with his pistol in hand? All for effect. It shows a them and us. Them being gun owners, and us being the average brit.


my response was to the item itself "the gun " which could hardly be seen as anything but a tool of violence , put two starving armed survivalists in a field with a can of soup in the middle and see what the likely outcome is ,
guns wont and never have solved a single problem for humanity .

I disagree. Put those two together, and you get folk like you or me trying to make the best of a situation. I think those two would talk. Find a common denominator and resolve it by teaming up and doing things together.

Just an oppinion. Even a thick as shit red-neck would see that by teaming up they can achive more.

They know that they will find it hard to talk to a third party unless there was a common denominator. One would cover the other as they negotiate the terms of a deal. And before you say that the third party just opens fire, then we are back to the point that its the owner and not the gun that starts the fight.


nelly.

[entrangermercenary]

A firearm is another survival tool.....If you are not comfortable in using one...well nobody is forcing anybody to have one !!!

People have different survival kits or plans....so you have the tools you think you need to survive within that plan.

The point is they are available in the Uk...although very much different to the hardware on sale in the states.

As for weapons not solving problems....solved a few for me...

Firearms are out there and will not disappear....just remember you may not be armed...but thousands will be .

[jonas parker]

oh gimme a break since when was a gun an instrument of fucking peace ,
when tshtf its time for change not time to start killing everyone who tries to steal your stash of gold and beans while you await a new president to moan about for the rest of your life .

Really? And what do you propose? Give the thieves your stuff? Then say exactly what to your raped wife and hungry kids? "Hope and change are coming"?

A gun IS an instrument of peace... an armed society is a very peaceful and polite society. C'mon down to Texas and see. Or, try to steal my stash of gold and beans and you will have instant and everlasting peace, guaranteed!

[entrangermercenary]

Really? And what do you propose? Give the thieves your stuff? Then say exactly what to your raped wife and hungry kids? "Hope and change are coming"?

A gun IS an instrument of peace... an armed society is a very peaceful and polite society. C'mon down to Texas and see. Or, try to steal my stash of gold and beans and you will have instant and everlasting peace, guaranteed!

:eek:

Fair play jonas that made me laugh :)

You Texans ;)

[wazaaap]

Really? And what do you propose? Give the thieves your stuff? Then say exactly what to your raped wife and hungry kids? "Hope and change are coming"?

A gun IS an instrument of peace... an armed society is a very peaceful and polite society. C'mon down to Texas and see. Or, try to steal my stash of gold and beans and you will have instant and everlasting peace, guaranteed!

now that is so funny!

true the words he speaks!

[tracker]

It IS about "survivalists". The nazis are a separate group, but the BBC propaganda machine sneakily combined the two, making them look to be related - Probably to discredit the survivalists.

Yeah I could go with that one .

Ya see , we all are now aware that nearly all media ar nothing but the governments propergander machine , a basic form of advertising bullshit , lies and crap .

What people do not understand is why they do this to survivalists .

I can tell you and it is so simple .

the governments as we all know want peoples undevided attention and loyalty .
With out that they are nothing but dictators , and to keep the illusion of democracy and etc etc to them self they must at all cost make people depend on them alone .

survivalists seem to offer freedom , independance , self sufficiency , all of which are a direct threat to the governments and big businesses and banks .

they do not want people to be independent , otherwise there would be no need for leaders , its as simple as that .

thats why survivalists and home steaders as well as preppers are always going to be

compared with trouble makers .


:)

[wazaaap]

Yeah I could go with that one .

Ya see , we all are now aware that nearly all media ar nothing but the governments propergander machine , a basic form of advertising bullshit , lies and crap .

What people do not understand is why they do this to survivalists .

I can tell you and it is so simple .

the governments as we all know want peoples undevided attention and loyalty .
With out that they are nothing but dictators , and to keep the illusion of democracy and etc etc to them self they must at all cost make people depend on them alone .

survivalists seem to offer freedom , independance , self sufficiency , all of which are a direct threat to the governments and big businesses and banks .

they do not want people to be independent , otherwise there would be no need for leaders , its as simple as that .

thats why survivalists and home steaders as well as preppers are always going to be

compared with trouble makers .


:)

Simple but effective! well stated tracker! sorry i havent called you - been working in canary wharf so by the time i get home at night it is late.

[steevo]

Yeah I could go with that one .

Ya see , we all are now aware that nearly all media ar nothing but the governments propergander machine , a basic form of advertising bullshit , lies and crap .

What people do not understand is why they do this to survivalists .

I can tell you and it is so simple .

the governments as we all know want peoples undevided attention and loyalty .
With out that they are nothing but dictators , and to keep the illusion of democracy and etc etc to them self they must at all cost make people depend on them alone .

survivalists seem to offer freedom , independance , self sufficiency , all of which are a direct threat to the governments and big businesses and banks .

they do not want people to be independent , otherwise there would be no need for leaders , its as simple as that .

thats why survivalists and home steaders as well as preppers are always going to be

compared with trouble makers .


:)

That reminds me of that Simpsons episode where those big monster advertising statues come to life, and they are destroying the whole town. The way they killed the monsters was by turning away from them, "just don't look!" and they lose their power.
Also there's that song by Big Country called "Look Away" - The lead singer (song writer) Stuart Adamson found dead in a hotel room in Honolulu Hawaii. He seems to have flown there just to get drunk and to hang himself in a wardrobe :rolleyes:

Excellent post Tracker! :)

[dave_voce]

.....survivalists seem to offer freedom , independance , self sufficiency , all of which are a direct threat to the governments and big businesses and banks .

they do not want people to be independent , otherwise there would be no need for leaders , its as simple as that .

thats why survivalists and home steaders as well as preppers are always going to be

compared with trouble makers .


:)Sorry, but i think you're going a bit over the top there. I haven't watched the programme, but i do like Louis Theroux, he has a knack of getting people to show their worst side, and let's face it, survivalists are more often than not a bit ...... wierd, and to prove my point i consider myself a bit of a survivalist. ;)

[sannox]

Really? And what do you propose? Give the thieves your stuff? Then say exactly what to your raped wife and hungry kids? "Hope and change are coming"?

A gun IS an instrument of peace... an armed society is a very peaceful and polite society. C'mon down to Texas and see. Or, try to steal my stash of gold and beans and you will have instant and everlasting peace, guaranteed!


awsome

[sannox]

an independant survivalist isn a threat to goverment and never will be its populations that cause goverments to collapse look at the middle east tracker
gadaffi isnt hunting down loners in the dessert in fact those guys are probablly helping his cause by looking after no1 .