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pakkaram

31-05-2008, 12:34 PM

dedicate

31-05-2008, 01:09 PM

Hardly.

For one thing readers don't even know what you mean by Christianity. What is it that you say was "created"? To say that Christianity was created is like saying that science was "created". Some truth to it, but also a blanket statement that means less. (you will not understand that analogy.)

So .. you think that Christianity is the invention of someone's imagination? uh? I.e.. the scriptures are fiction written by ghost writers. That would mean, not only are billions of people (every single one!) foolishly practicing something but every account of validity (Thomas Merton, Paramahamsa Yoganada, Saint Bruno, Saint Theresa of Avila, Fatima, Edgar Cayce,) is ??.. mistaken?

Maybe, even, you believe,,, When you die.. you are dead and that is the end of it.. ? So any talk of an afterlife is also a fariy tale told to we children who could not live with the truth of truely meaningless existance.

Or maybe.. We are spirit beings and as spirit beings we need spirit teachings, not just teachings on how to get along in this world.

The Satanism are also spirit teachings, but they teach the left handed side of utilizing the spirit world FOR SELF GAIN. ALWAYS -- SELF PROFIT.

The right handed path teaches gain through loss; what is meaningful to the personality is less meaning to the spirit; self sacrifice as attainment. More like a discovery than something that was created by man.-- like science. You can choose not to believe it, but then why would you choose not to believe a road map when you are lost in the middle of no-where?

synergy777

31-05-2008, 03:13 PM

yeshua never created christianity, he continued the former religion.

satanists/elite corrupted/edited the religions, so that people would think the source/creator was evil and turn away, which they have done.

pakkaram

31-05-2008, 03:37 PM

There are many many lies and illusions in Christianity, but with a word "created" I didn't mean that Christianity is just a text in the Book and just an imagination. You just misunderstood. Creating a religion and a religion system is a very complicated witchcraft process. And Christianity is based on this which I call witchcraft, like everything in this existence. But this doesn't mean that Christianity is a good thing and created for good purposes.

Tokroda (the leader of Estonian Pagans) will write about Christianity in his new book (the second book), also. There will be a text about this how the Christian religion system was created in the spiritual world.

Just in case I say for readers that I didn't understand it myself that Satan and the god of Christians were in the same team - teammembers doing teamwork. Tokroda did that job. Then, I heard it from Tokroda and after that I found connections and saw it myself, too.

pakkaram

31-05-2008, 03:38 PM

yeshua never created christianity, he continued the former religion.
I didn't say it was yeshua. Jesus had other important role in that team.

satanists/elite corrupted/edited the religions, so that people would think the source/creator was evil and turn away, which they have done.
Again I see how a Christian blames Satan or Satanists for the crimes of Christianity.

EverYone is the strongest in his/her own world - the world created by him/her. This is the law of nature. You can read about this here:
http://www.mentalworld.eu/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=49
So, if this kind of thing as You state really happened, then this is not Satan's fault, this can be done only with the permission of the creator of Christianity.

synergy777

31-05-2008, 03:51 PM

yeshua is jesus, jesus is the greek/english translation, there is no j in the hebrew alphabet, so could jesus really be his real name, and i think yeshua/jesus was a hebrew, lol

evil exists because of free will, people/entities have the choice.

madthumbs

31-05-2008, 03:57 PM

Christianity isn't original. Satan was borrowed just like Noah or Noeh and many other tall tales. Satan is an advertising gimmick for the racist religion.

synergy777

31-05-2008, 04:08 PM

satan is a new term, it means adversary.

razed1

31-05-2008, 07:33 PM

(Facts and logic)
The one who created Christianity, oneself created Satanism. First descriptions about Satanism came from Christianity. The one described Satan, satanic deeds and so on. Satanism is the one's vision. Then some people read the Bible and they didn't like Christianity. From there they got information about this how Satanism looks like. They started to follow this Christians’ first description/vision about Satanism. And so the Satanism and satanistic deeds arouse into the society.

But why did the creator of Christianity create Satanism and Satanists ?

To control people You need two sides. Good guys and bad guys. The Satan was the winger for Christianity. Christianity can not exist without Satan, it would lose its meaning. Christians can and do blame and have blamed Satan for all their sins. For example, Christians created crusades, but they blame Satan for creating crusades. So, the creator of Christianity oneself brought in the bad guy (Satan), created religion for him (Satanism) and arose its servants (Satanists - bad guys). Well, actually Christianity and Satanism are the same religion, two different sides of one vision, one world-view, one religion.

i agree with what you are saying here,

ppl generally dont even know that this concept of commiting a 'SIN', or being a "sinner" was unknown to the ancient world! there was no concept of committing a sin before there was this ideology of JUDEO-christianity,

dont forget that the religion of the jews is predecessor to christianity and its closely tied (and of course the later islam is also related),

all these are unnatural, artificial inventions from the mind of men,

with no other purpose that to control the flock and to disconnect one from nature worhsip, and stellar worship,

maybe the word "worship" does not do justice to the true gnosis and understanding that the ancients had of nature and the cosmos, but i hope you get my point

razed1

31-05-2008, 07:48 PM

quote: razed1

ppl generally dont even know that this concept of commiting a 'SIN', or being a "sinner" was unknown to the ancient world! there was no concept of committing a sin before there was this ideology of JUDEO-christianit
.......................

Nonsense that's like saying right and wrong never existed :rolleyes:

whats wrong to one group of ppl could be considered right to another group of ppl

its all perception

some cultures wave their heads up and down if they agree with something, and other cultures wave their heads left to right if they agree with something

some cultures consider killing animals and consuming their flesh to be wrong, and other cultures see no problem with slaughtering animals and eating their dead flesh daily

so while some ppl now might think that murdering another human being is wrong, and there could be another group of ppl who consider human beings to be on the level of ANIMALS and slaughter them without a second thought

its all perception my fine feathered friend :rolleyes:

thirdwave

31-05-2008, 07:48 PM

i agree with what you are saying here,

ppl generally dont even know that this concept of commiting a 'SIN', or being a "sinner" was unknown to the ancient world! there was no concept of committing a sin before there was this ideology of JUDEO-christianity,

dont forget that the religion of the jews is predecessor to christianity and its closely tied (and of course the later islam is also related),

all these are unnatural, artificial inventions from the mind of men,

with no other purpose that to control the flock and to disconnect one from nature worhsip, and stellar worship,

maybe the word "worship" does not do justice to the true gnosis and understanding that the ancients had of nature and the cosmos, but i hope you get my point

there is nothing out side of the bible that shows Satan to be the icon of "evil" ... he was Gods worker... and Lucifer was actually the bringer of light....

it is the christian bible that has taken it upon its self to label all these others gods as evil.....

Satan was in fact Gods assistant, and Lucifer was a God... a bringer of light.

If there are any negative people now who truly worship these "gods" with evil intent, then it would have only been derived from how Christianity presented them as anyway.

razed1

31-05-2008, 07:53 PM

and whats important to consider is that the idea of what ppl consider to be a "fiery devil with horns" is also part of the brainwashing

if you look are indigenous tribes and shamans, ppl who practice natural religion, they wear totems and masks with horns

and nowadays, in the "civilised" world, ppl are taught to think of horned gods and FIRE to be of evil

when neither of those things are what ppl assume them to be

madthumbs

31-05-2008, 08:49 PM

satan is a new term, it means adversary.

Atanism (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3718)

madthumbs

31-05-2008, 08:49 PM

dubble post

thelucifer

31-05-2008, 11:23 PM

madthumbs

01-06-2008, 07:05 AM

Satan in its most basic/primitive form is the evil principle, which is much older than Judaism.
Satan is just one of the many names/faces for the evil principle.

Satan is not a conscious freewill entity.
Satan is a symbol for a religion/agenda.
Satan is legion (knowingly and unknowingly).

“darkness was on the face of the deep”
Darkness = evil principle = Satan = legion.
Darkness = deception.

face = whole
deep = world

Deception is upon the whole world.

Are you making this stuff up or have you a source? The Bible paints Satan as the adversary of an infant genital mutilating, female oppressing, sex slavery endorsing, racist genocidal God. Is that so bad? If Satan were real, he'd be a hero in my book.

synergy777

01-06-2008, 05:57 PM

Are you making this stuff up or have you a source? The Bible paints Satan as the adversary of an infant genital mutilating, female oppressing, sex slavery endorsing, racist genocidal God. Is that so bad? If Satan were real, he'd be a hero in my book.

the satanic elite/clergy wrote the bible after collecting info from older sources eg african, babylonian and vedic sources. they made god into a fearful entity to support their agenda. thus when people like yourself madthumbs, after informing themselves, would then rightly so turnaway from a vengeful god and denouce religion. with only those who where not informed/educated following blindly due to fear, eg the fear of hell/punishment by god.

that way they disconnect us from an all loving source/creator/god and trap us ino their fear/guilt religion or we turn away into another path eg new age, satanism or atheist doctrines. that way they control us, harness our energy and hold onto power.

just as the government corrupt/covers up the truth to make us support them, the religous elite do the same. its about disconnection and division, on both a personal and public scale. both use fear to control us and then offer us security/salavation via their corrupt doctrines/actions.

i like icke believe in an all loving compassionate source/creator god.

zero1

01-06-2008, 07:14 PM

Are you making this stuff up or have you a source? The Bible paints Satan as the adversary of an infant genital mutilating, female oppressing, sex slavery endorsing, racist genocidal God. Is that so bad? If Satan were real, he'd be a hero in my book.

Satan appears to be an agent of God in the OT, @ least that is how it seems given Job. It is implied that he exists to ensure the moral turpitude of Man by a God who gives him (Satan) leave to tempt humans. It is only in the New Testament that it is made explicit that Satan is the Adversary of God, not one of his servants. How this became the prevailing mythos is obvious, given how the system set up in ancient times under God required for its psychological security an implacable Enemy to reinforce its power, unite Man (supposedly) and demonize threats to that system; this is much like the same stunt being repeated today with the NWO and the "War on Terror" - same old shit tricks, work every time. Or...do they? Now maybe there's hope we're wising up...

synergy777

01-06-2008, 07:24 PM

according to the ot/bible, satan was gods first angel, he was given the role of watching/guiding us, he grew amibitous and wanted to take over and be worshipped as a god, thus the fall.

maybe satan is a programme like agent smith or the architect, designed to accomodate, serve and test our own evil motives.

zero1

01-06-2008, 07:47 PM

maybe satan is a programme like agent smith or the architect, designed to accomodate, serve and test our own evil motives.

Maybe.

synergy777

01-06-2008, 09:41 PM

maybe i am a spiritual slave,

i think like everyone else i am programmed by religous texts, scientific texts, historic texts, media etc.

maybe i will never know god/source, the truth about us, the human race etc.

i have tried to find the truth and i cannot.

all i know is that some supreme entity/creator/source exists and it might have created the cosmos and us, our spirits etc.

i think that the source would want us to be good/compassionate to eachother and nature.

i think that the source would want us to live in equality, unity, liberty and harmony.

maybe i don't know the truth or never will, but these are my views.

how can you free me, how can you show me how to get to the truth,

how can you teach me to use my power and change my life and thus serve/help others ?

http://www.thematrix101.com/matrix/symbolism.php

Matrix [UPDATED] in the dictionary refers to "a situation or surrounding substance within which something else originates, develops, or is contained. The womb."

Additionally, the concept of the Matrix as an illusion or a 'construct' that humans are unaware of resembles the idea of Samsara in Buddhism and Hinduism.

Samsara teaches that the world we consider 'real' is actually a projection of our own desires. From Morpheus Neo learns that how he'd perceived himself in the Matrix was simply a "the mental projection of your digital self." The "real" sensory world "is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/samsara.html

Samsara literally means "wandering-on." Many people think of it as the Buddhist name for the place where we currently live — the place we leave when we go to nibbana. But in the early Buddhist texts, it's the answer, not to the question, "Where are we?" but to the question, "What are we doing?" Instead of a place, it's a process:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara

Samsara is derived from "to flow together," to go or pass through states, to wander. Mostly a great revolving door between life and death and a new life reincarnated cycle of life. Also known as a game in ancient India

In Hinduism, it is avidya, or ignorance, of one's true self, that leads to ego-consciousness of the body and the phenomenal world. This grounds one in kāma (desire) and the perpetual chain of karma and reincarnation.

The state of illusion is known as Maya.

Hinduism has many terms for the ultimate place like moksha, mukti, nirvana, and mahasamadhi.

The Hindu Yoga traditions hold various beliefs. Moksha may be achieved by love of Ishwar/God (see bhakti movement), by psycho-physical meditation (Raja Yoga), by discrimination of what is real and unreal through intense contemplation (Jnana Yoga) and through Karma Yoga, the path of selfless action that subverts the ego and enforces understanding of the unity of all. Advaita Vedanta, which heavily influenced Hindu Yoga, believes that Brahman, the ultimate Truth-Consciousness-Bliss, is the infinite, impersonal reality (as contrasted to the Buddhist concept of shunyata) and that through realization of it, all temporal states like deities, the cosmos and samsara itself are revealed to be nothing but manifestations of Brahman

In Sikhism, it is thought that due to the commendable past actions and deeds (known as karma or kirat) that people obtain the chance of human birth, which is regarded in Sikhism as the highest possible on Earth and therefore an opportunity that should not be wasted.

And only by continued good actions and the "Grace of the Almighty" can one obtain liberation from the continuous cycle of births and deaths of various bodily forms that the soul has been undergoing since the creation of the universe.

The end of the cycle of transmigration of the soul is known as mukti. For Sikhs, the state of mukti can be achieved whilst still alive, known as "Jivan Mukat", literally "liberated whilst alive".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29

Maya (Sanskrit माया māyāa[›]), in Indian religions, has multiple meanings. Maya, is the principal deity who creates, perpetuates and governs the phantasmagoria, illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal Universe.

For some mystics this manifestation is real, but it is a fleeting reality; it is a mistake, although a natural one, to believe that Maya represents a fundamental reality or Truth.

Each person, each physical object, from the perspective of eternity is like a brief, disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean.

The goal of enlightenment is to understand this — more precisely, to experience this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and the Universe is a false dichotomy. The distinction between consciousness and physical matter, between mind and body (refer bodymind), is the result of an unenlightened perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukti

Moksha is seen as a final release from one's worldly conception of self, the loosening of the shackle of experiential duality and a realization of one's own fundamental nature which is true being, pure consciousness and bliss (satcitananda) an experience which is ineffable and beyond sensation.

According to the branch of Hinduism known as advaita vedanta, at liberation the individual soul or atman is realised to be one with the Ground of all being – the Source of all phenomenal existence known as Brahman. The self-as-individual is realised to have never existed.

thelucifer

01-06-2008, 11:22 PM

maybe satan is a programme like agent smith or the architect,.

Great post.

Agent Smith and or the architect, the evil principle anthropomorphized
via Hollywood.

thelucifer

01-06-2008, 11:38 PM

Are you making this stuff up or have you a source?
While sourcing can be good, I have to wonder, does sourcing = truth for you ?

Lets suppose I cant source anything, does that mean I cant make truthful conclusions ?

Is sourcing a truth box that cant be stepped out of ?

The Bible paints Satan as the adversary of an infant genital mutilating, female oppressing, sex slavery endorsing, racist genocidal God. Is that so bad? If Satan were real, he'd be a hero in my book.

I dont know that we disagree.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/thelucifer_rp/godvsatanvu8sm3.png