Ask a Mason, we're here to decieve.

[ban freekmasons]

This is the truth about how the Masons really operate and believe in their criminal system. This is how cowardly confident they feel.

This is how a controlled Masonic drone thinks;

We are a good, charitable, fraternity of men?
We all use numerous aliases and hide behind the curtains.
We are profound liars. This is one of our first lessons.
We award chocolate medals for telling lies on behalf of the brotherhood.
We defend each other no matter what.
We are masters of disinformation.
We feel confident hiding behind our Master's apron.
We are all gang-stalkers.
We are masters of cheap psychology.
We don't even know the truth as we are all controlled individually.
We are guaranteed a job for life, regardless of qualifications.
We use trusted Masonic families and friends to carry out Masonic Theatre.
We knew about 911 before the profane did. It gave us empowerment.
We have no idea what our fellow Mason's are up to.
We are all eyes and ears for our puppet masters, the intelligent elite.
We do a profile on everybody.
We even brainwash our innocent offspring into Freekmasonry.
We don't care about anything outside Freekmasonry.
We collectively destroy families, businesses, anything, anybody.
We work by cowardly stealth.
We only eat Masonic flavoured carrots. No other story/version will do.
We are masters at wasting your valuable time, no matter how trivial.
We control all CCTV and it only works if we say so.
The "G" in Freekmasonry means Gobble De Gook.
We are destroying the planet and it's contents for total control.
We are just puppets for the elite.
We actually believe in Freekmasonry.
We take orders on how to get inside your head.
We control the Military, Government, Judiciary, NHS, Finances, You.
We control all of your communications.
We are the invisible terrorists within all communities.
We have infiltrated all religions.
We do a lot for corrupt Masonic controlled charities.
We love stupid symbols and believe in them.
We all childishly giggle on collective persecution of one victim.
We control all crime, drugs and the misery that comes with it.
We can isolate (ostracize) any chosen individual.
We are undiluted evil dressed up as good.
We have been programmed to "HATE" profane (uninitiated) people.
We will label truth-seekers or victims as being delusional or paranoid.
We have a new name in the UK, it's called "Common Purpose"
We are very good at sowing seeds into your head.
We control all TV, radio and newspapers.
We fabricate and manipulate all hatred, rumour, revenge and evil.
We are a criminal cult, religion, network, organisation.
We are 100% calculated derangement.
We destroy all genuine Masonic victim's groups, forums and truth-seekers.
We are protected by "The Order Of The Police"
We have lodges in every Police, Government, NHS, Judiciary, Military Dept.
We have a contact number if things go wrong.
We get rewarded for our persecution and allegiance.
We fabricate wars, poverty, politics, terrorism, etc.
We specialise in Masonic Theatre of all types, including terrorism.
We kill the good guys and anything that represents good.
We infect everything we touch.
We strive for genocide.
We keep criminal secrets upon pain of death.
We are absolutely terrified to leave this criminal fraternity.
We pretend to believe in a deity.
We believe in sacrifice, Lucifer, Satan, The Horned God and anything bad.
We live in a parallel world to the ignorant law abiding taxpayers.
We use thousands of different group names world-wide.
We get pleasure watching innocent profane people suffer.
We are so mentally messed up, we think we're in control.
We are the most grand, wondrous, worshipful "LEMONS"
All religions, debating groups, secret societies or societies with secrets (their get out clause), etc, etc, are under the umbrella of Freekmasonry.

ASK A MASON, WE'RE HERE TO DECEIVE. You have our Masonic guarantee.

Everything written here can be backed up in front of a live, independent, filmed audience. But the corrupt elite are "HELL" bent on control and destruction.

Fact is, lower Mason's have been dehumanised and beyond repair. We are dealing with brainwashed drones who are in denial. It's official, you have to be of very low intelligence to be a Freekmason. Yes boss, shakin' it.

They persecute on me constantly and I only have one weapon, my head. It doesn't matter what happens to me, I've only ever experienced their theatre and hatred. Wait till you read my story about Second Family UK. It was mostly Masonic Theatre full of Masonic agents. All with half baked stories about them being victims of Freekmasonry. I recorded almost all of the calls over years. Don't forget they control all of my communications. I was also a member of some pretend victim's groups. This will blow you away with truth and how this criminal organisation operates, to protect their plunder.

Please forward and copy this to all as we have to educate each other to exactly what is happening. Now you know why something is not right. It's all very deliberate and part of the NWO's plans. We all need to work fast to stop this madness. There is only one problem, the elite's Masonic foot soldiers. It's their pyramid of cards, take the bottom one away.

Dear brilliant David Icke and all the good people on this forum, my apologies. I could kick myself so hard for not reading or listening to all the great posts on this website for the last 4 years. Keep it up and ignore the numpty FMs.

From www.joestirling.com veteran victim of the Freekmasons

[eternal_spirit]

Worshipful Master: “What makes you a Mason?”
Senior Warden: “My Obligation.”
- question and answer, The Entered Apprentice Degree Ritual (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/blue_lodge/entered.htm), Grand Lodge of Nevada
“... binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out, and with my body buried in the sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate this, my solemn Obligation of an Entered Apprentice.”
- from the oath of obligation, The Entered Apprentice Degree Ritual (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/blue_lodge/entered.htm), Grand Lodge of Nevada

[eternal_spirit]

article located at this URL (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm), and earlier at Geocities, was first written 4 years ago. Since then I have learned a bit more about Freemasonry and have had many communications, good and bad, with its members. I've been put on an "anti-mason" [hit]list (http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm), along with others who dare to write anything unflattering against the brethren; I've had heated debates and arguments in public forums and message boards; and I've actually been threatened, both subtly and overtly. Curiously, many times the offended Mason claims to be a chaplain, a minister or a supposed "man of cloth" - a real surprise, at first, considering the occult nature of the organization. The negative experiences far outweigh the positive. The members who regularly post to forums and send out emails display the traits of having been thoroughly brainwashed by a first-class cult. Some are far more clever, however, and are undoubtedly part of a concerted effort by Amazon.com: The Brotherhood: The Explosive Expose of the Secret World of the Freemasons (9780586059838): Stephen Knight: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41EPK98AYML.@@AMEPARAM@@41EPK98AYML for a concise elaboration of their techniques.
Historically, Freemasonry has been charged (http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm#Stephen) with corruption (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/57463.stm) of public officials because of the oaths (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm#oaths) and promises they swear to keep amongst themselves (http://www.gaiaguys.net/Latham.Howard.04.htm), above all else. At the very least, joining a secret society, or a "society with secrets," creates a glaring conflict of interest (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jackstraw.html).
The following document doesn't go into corruption or masonic favoritism. A secret society, by its very nature - and one as widespread and established as masonry - would naturally enable such intrigue. My only intention here is to outline its influence, and guiding hand on a unique phenomenon that occurred at the crossroads of the 19th and 20th century. Having learned from earlier criticism, and with all brevity aside, I hope this page is seen as one of the most comprehensive and accurate expositions in this field of study.



read more here
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm#Westcott

[lightgiver]

:D:D:Dthat is ssooo funny:D:D:D;)

[chrism]

Hi ES - bearing in mind the title of this thread I hope you don't think this is another attempt to deceive you, but I thought it would be prudent to respond to your post to provide a little feedback.

article located at this URL (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm), and earlier at Geocities, was first written 4 years ago. Since then I have learned a bit more about Freemasonry and have had many communications, good and bad, with its members. I've been put on an "anti-mason" [hit]list (http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm),

Did have a look - I didn't see your handle there although I may be wrong. If you are listed with your 'given' name, I wouldn't be so naive as to ask you for it, but will take your word for it. Please bear in mind this is a list of anti-masons (i.e. those who are trying to damage masonry) and NOT those who masons are targetting. Calling it a hit list is a little misleading!

along with others who dare to write anything unflattering against the brethren; I've had heated debates and arguments in public forums and message boards; and I've actually been threatened, both subtly and overtly.

I am sorry to hear that. I too have felt threatened by posters on this as well as other forums, do you think maybe I was reacting to an impersonal argument against something I believe in, or were they genuinely promising to 'show me the error of my ways'?

Curiously, many times the offended Mason claims to be a chaplain, a minister or a supposed "man of cloth" - a real surprise, at first, considering the occult nature of the organization.

OK - I know denial is not going to get me anywhere, but I do hope you can back up your claim that Masonry is occult. Many men of the cloth ARE masons, precisely BECAUSE it in no way contradicts their faith. Of course, we all know that the Catholic Church itself has been anti-masonic at many points throughout history, but masonry has never been anti-religion.

The negative experiences far outweigh the positive.

Again - I would be most grateful if you could explain. If the negatives outweigh the positives, how come ANYONE, let alone millions of normal men decide to join masonry?

The members who regularly post to forums and send out emails display the traits of having been thoroughly brainwashed by a first-class cult. [/QUOTE

An easy conclusion to make when you don't understand the systems. Brainwashing takes many forms, including (but not limited to) the army system (break and rebuild) the cult/religious (sleep deprivation, subliminal indoctrination) and others. Continual repetition or statement of untruths as fact ("masons are evil, everyone knows that etc") is another form which you yourself seem keen to use. If you repeat it often enough, you seem to think it will become true, which is not the case. Otherwise I could simply sit in my room and chant "Kylie Minogue is my girlfriend" over and over again, and eventually she would walk through the door...

Masonry, on the other hand, would find it difficult to emply these tactics. We are not required to think a certain way in order to be a mason, and as there is nothing within masonry which would go against anyone's moral, social or religious obligations, there is no change of opinion required anyway.

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;372363]Some are far more clever, however, and are undoubtedly part of a concerted effort by the Brotherhood (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0586059830/ref=ase_conspiracyarc-20/104-8924776-1297547?v=glance&s=books). See, Masonic Disinformation, Propaganda, Dissembling, and Hate Techniques (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/masonicdisinformation.html) for a concise elaboration of their techniques.

Ah - a good argument! Now, I am going to tell you that "The Brotherhood" is simply an anti-masonic book which is derided by the masons themselves. But of course it is, anything which goes against the masons will be discredited by them. In all honesty, I don't see any way of overcoming this, apart from asking anyone who uses this book, or anti-masonic sources alone, to consider other sources before concluding that masonry is evil.

If all the books you ever read are anti- anything, you do not have the full picture to be able to make a valid conclusion. This goes likewise for those who only use masonic references too, of course!

Historically, Freemasonry has been charged (http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm#Stephen) with corruption (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/57463.stm) of public officials because of the oaths (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm#oaths) and promises they swear to keep amongst themselves (http://www.gaiaguys.net/Latham.Howard.04.htm), above all else. At the very least, joining a secret society, or a "society with secrets," creates a glaring conflict of interest (http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jackstraw.html).

Yes - we have secrets. I think this has been done to death here. No-one can tell me what is wrong with keeping a few little words and handshakes secret, especially when we have failed to do so in such a tragic fashion.

The following document doesn't go into corruption or masonic favoritism. A secret society, by its very nature - and one as widespread and established as masonry - would naturally enable such intrigue.

again you are right - secret societies create intrigue (once they have ceased to be secret, of course, as otherwise no-one knows about them in order to be intrigued) and masonry does create a certain frisson of interest. I am glad it does, because it is this interest as well as a healthy regard for ones fellow men and women which ensure that masonry continues to grow.

My only intention here is to outline its influence, and guiding hand on a unique phenomenon that occurred at the crossroads of the 19th and 20th century. Having learned from earlier criticism, and with all brevity aside, I hope this page is seen as one of the most comprehensive and accurate expositions in this field of study.

read more here
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm#Westcott

Thanks for the link. For clarity, would you say that 'conspiracy archive' denotes an unbiased or independant source?

“... binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out, and with my body buried in the sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate this, my solemn Obligation of an Entered Apprentice.”
- from the oath of obligation, The Entered Apprentice Degree Ritual, Grand Lodge of Nevada

This is known as the penalty which historically used to be given as part of the obligation. For clarity, I should point out that under UGLE masonry (I cannot speak for any other jurisdictions) it is no longer part of the obligation, but is referred to during a later part of the ceremony, while the initiate is told that it no longer applies to them at all.

I would also question the source, because the wording is materially incorrect to the extent of being misleading.

Please bear in mind that these ancient obligations were ones of strict secrecy, requiring us to swear not to reveal certain secrets 'of or belonging to ' masonry. This stands today, but the only secrets are the methods by which we as brothers recognise one another in public and in private - so we know when we are talking to a brother mason.

I hope this helps...

Chrism

[ban freekmasons]

Yes, chrism, aka mike martin aka danielson23 etc. thanks for the gobble de gook, now go and collect your chocolate medals.

masonic donkeys only eat masonic carrots

[element]

Yes, chrism, aka mike martin aka danielson23 etc. thanks for the gobble de gook, now go and collect your chocolate medals.

masonic donkeys only eat masonic carrots

Oh boy, here's another one on the forums thinking people use more accounts!

By the way, where's the camera with some evidence of freekmasons corruption or fight with the freeks?

Oh and, Freemasons give chocolate medals?? What is this supposed to mean?

[tinmenace]

Ask a Mason, we're here to decieve


I love the title to this thread! Well done indeed! :D

[razed1]

LOL good thread, im surprised no one did it sooner,

[eternal_spirit]

quote: chrism
Did have a look - I didn't see your handle there although I may be wrong. If you are listed with your 'given' name, I wouldn't be so naive as to ask you for it, but will take your word for it

....................

I've not made the list yet. But recognised some of the names on there, to name a few.....David Icke, Joe Stirling, Fritz Springmeier, even dead men such as Hitler and Mussolini. :eek:

[chrism]

I've not made the list yet. But recognised some of the names on there, to name a few.....David Icke, Joe Stirling, Fritz Springmeier, even dead men such as Hitler and Mussolini. :eek:

So when you say "I've been put on an anti-mason "hit-list" what you actually mean is "I haven't been put on an anti-mason hit list yet, but know some of the names" - quite clear now thanks!

The list is not complete, but by the looks of things includes prominent (I don't think you're at risk yet, ES) anti-masons, which famously include Adolf and Il Duce.

Yes, chrism, aka mike martin aka danielson23 etc.

Freek - I am Chris, Mike is Mike, and Daniel is Daniel. We are three different people. If you don't believe me, try registering another account from your computer. Within days (hours probably) you will get an email from a lovely account administrator called i_am who will ask you what the hell you are doing.

It will be an education for you, and in my opinion may be the first one you get. Most others seem to understand plain English, even if they disagree with what I am saying.

Repeating the crap about masonic carrots etc is not helping your case for claiming intelligence.

[damagedbrainn]

Freek - I am Chris, Mike is Mike, and Daniel is Daniel. We are three different people. If you don't believe me, try registering another account from your computer. Within days (hours probably) you will get an email from a lovely account administrator called i_am who will ask you what the hell you are doing.

This is the third account he's created, so I doubt that.

[tinmenace]

Yeah, how would he know unless he'd already tried registering multiple ID's. And, why would he want multiple ID's? It's a little bit deceptive, me thinks.

[mike martin]

article located at, was first written 4 years ago. Since then I have learned a bit more about Freemasonry and have had many communications, good and bad, with its members.

Had a read!

Personally I like your presentation but it's a shame about the content and your implied importance of these guys on Freemasonry as a whole. I was suprised that you hadn't updated your info about Crowley and Hall but I suppose that just goes to show that you're only interested in stuff that strengthens your stance rather than facts.

I've been put on an "anti-mason" [hit]list (http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm), along with others who dare to write anything unflattering against the brethren;
Very dramatic! That supposed "hit list" as you well know is just a list of anti-masons, there's no "hit" about it, it is just of interest to some.

I've had heated debates and arguments in public forums and message boards; and I've actually been threatened, both subtly and overtly.
Haven't we all?? That what Forums are all about.

Curiously, many times the offended Mason claims to be a chaplain, a minister or a supposed "man of cloth" - a real surprise, at first, considering the occult nature of the organzation.
You fall beautifully into the mistake of confusing "occult" with "esoteric", no suprise there.

The negative experiences far outweigh the positive. The members who regularly post to forums and send out emails display the traits of having been thoroughly brainwashed by a first-class cult.
I'd like to hear more detail about this? I'd also like to see your qualifications to come up with such a conclusion.


The following document doesn't go into corruption or masonic favoritism. A secret society, by its very nature - and one as widespread and established as masonry - would naturally enable such intrigue. My only intention here is to outline its influence, and guiding hand on a unique phenomenon that occurred at the crossroads of the 19th and 20th century. Having learned from earlier criticism, and with all brevity aside, I hope this page is seen as one of the most comprehensive and accurate expositions in this field of study.

Ahhh.............. if that was your intention you have failed very badly.

I'm afraid that a few lines about 11 dodgy characters and some stuff about a couple of organisations whose only connection is that they have had mutual members is hardly an in-depth anything about Freemasonry.

BUT I still think your presentation was good and I'm sure that more than a handful of gullible people will buy into it.

Mike

[duckingdafta]

Ask a Mason, we're here to decieve

I love the title to this thread! Well done indeed! :D



Shouldn't that be DECEIVE?.. or is it my bad spelling!

[ichi wa zen]

This thread is 5 thumbs up. High Five OP!

I have thought deeply about this, masons are BAD!

[godhelpme]

i expect they join the masons for the chocolate medals, are they like the coins you hang on a christmas tree? yum.

either that or the massive financial benefit from repeat promotion over more worthy candidates. It's an easy life being a mason, but it is selling your soul undoubtedly.

I know about 50 masons and only one acts with any human decency.

[thelonious]

It's an easy life being a mason

And how would you presume to know that?

[empyblessing]

Great thread. :)

You can tell the freemasons have inferiority complexes as they come and troll a message board where they know the only thing they'll generate is attention for themselves and hatred and division. This is most likely due to a lack of intelligence and unusually small penises.

Strutting around in shiny aprons with a bunch of strange symbols makes them feel good. Look at the amount of ego it takes to come here and make a post where others can ask questions of the high and mighty apron wearing, small penis group of satanic, child molesting, brain washed donkeys. I'm not buying the blue degrees being innocent anymore. The behavior they display here is anything but innocent.

[eternal_spirit]

BTW did I forget to mention it wasn't me that wrote the article on the link I posted. Whoever wrote it done a good job IMO.

[lightgiver]

Still at it them f masons;):p
you would think they had the message by now:rolleyes::D

[thelonious]

This is most likely due to a lack of intelligence and unusually small penises.


Ah...a classic example of what Freud called "projection". :cool:

[tinmenace]

:D :rolleyes:

[stealth]

how many freemasons does it take to change a light bulb?....you don't know......I don't know either it's a secret..:rolleyes::D

[keystone]

Been lurking around here and in other places a while. Found this:

I can answer that question for you - the site has been taken down because Second Family no longer exists - Joe Stirling has destroyed it and announced that he thinks all the members are masons! As he is a moderator on this site I doubt this post will be around long but here goes:-

I am *************** lady life artner and he and I both are foundling members of Second Family with Joe Stirling. Joe first made contact with us through one of Bruces anti mason web sites. Bruce was Joes right hand man in Second Family which was also led by Tony G******. The group was set up some 15 months ago after 10 of us attended a meeting in Bristol. Since that time we have been working with Joe against freemasonry by posting on web sites, bombarding all mainstream newspapers and politicians to try and get our story across, and Bruce has spent hundreds of hours taking phone calls from other mason victims. He is currently writing a book called 'Blowing Out A Candle' telling his story as a life long victim and of mason corruption.

Bruce put up the Second Family web site himself and paid for both the domain name and the hosting of it out of his own pocket. He also has 2 other anti mason websites up on the net which he also pays for himself.

Tony G****** has asked for the links here they are:-

http://www.murderingmasons.co.uk/

http://www.masonskill.co.uk/

We have also made donations for SF to Joe - do these sound the sort of things a mason would do?

Joe out of the blue decided to come and visit us at our home on the weekend of the 26th April. We opened up our home and welcomed him , cooked for him and even put him up for the night! While staying with us he informed us that he had come down to stay with his friend of 30 odd years but on arriving he decided his friend was a mason so he couldn't stay there and so came to us. Apparently his friend had a kids trampoline in the back garden that was a blue circle - according to Joe VERY masonic!!

He then proceeded to spend the evening telling us that 7 out of the 10 foundling members of Second Family are all masonic infiltrators including Tony Gosling, along with all 5 of his own brothers and just about everyone hes ever met! He makes these ridiculous 'judgements' on such things as peoples house numbers, the way there house is decorated etc ! He announced that our next door neighbour is also a mason - he deduced this by looking at his house - even though it is identical to 6 others in our close and he has never even met the man nor knows his name or anything about him!!

Apparently he decided that we were masons because:-

1/ We have CCTV here - (we run an internet business from home and keep stock - the cameras are there to comply with our insurance policy as we had a string of burglaries a few years ago ).

2/ We have 2 landscape pictures with trees in them in our living room - apparently that is a strong masonic sign according to Joe!

3/ We have a mirror in our loo which has squares decorated around the edge which I chose from B & Q - apparently that is a strong masonic sign according to him too!

4/ We did not put the TV on while he was there - he says to record all his conversations! We never have the TV on when we have guests - why would we????

5/ Our house number is 26 which is 2 x 13 - 13 being apparently another masonic number! I lived at this house for 6 years before I even met Bruce

6/ We sell spyware amongst manyother electrical goods. This is something he has known since we met him - infact he bought a camera/recorder from us from the web site which is and always has been there for all to see, so no secrets there!

7/ His name and contact email were on one of Bruces anti mason web sites. This was done because he asked for it to be done as all e-mails to us via the site were getting blocked. His details have now been removed.

We are furious that we victims of Freemasonry who put trust in this man and confided in him, welcomed him into our home even though he has a shady past ( which im not going to go into because I am not vindictive). He has not only branded us with the scumbag masons which to us is the worst insult possible, but has also destroyed SF and devastated the members. Its bad enough living this suffocating life without crap from other supposed victims! Bruce is also angry that Joe has also told the world the pseudo name he writes under - also a betrayal of trust.

I've done a bit of Googling on the net re Joe Stirling and see he makes a habit of starting up organisations then disbanding them. Beware what you tell him if you join any group he starts because before long after he has had your donation and confidence you will at some stage be branded a mason by him!!

Masons, Boy Scouts, Lions, Ladies Sewing circle whatever - who you trying to kid Joe?

Sits back to wait for the "he must be a high level mason" accusation. Sorry not true. Joe you are either a Disinformation Peddler or just a plain ordinary Shill.

[chrism]

I'm not buying the blue degrees being innocent anymore. The behavior they display here is anything but innocent.

Of course - if we answer we are 'Trolls' and if we don't we are admitting guilt!

Nice to see hypocrisy and fallacy are still strong with some of the posters here...

Chrism

[speculative]

Still at it them f masons;):p
you would think they had the message by now:rolleyes::D

Well were trying to show you the truth, however you are all much too comfortable in your own little world.

basically what you want to do is to insult, accuse and tarnish peoples reputation, WITHOUT facts (sorry copied web pages and mis translated texts that have been proven for years dont count) but not have them stand up for themselves or try to educate you.

you say we brainwash? look in the mirror, and ask yourself what you have seen with your OWN eyes and therfore KNOW as fact.

anyway I have to pop off and run the world for my allotted time now, will be back in september, have fun, try not to get eaten by lizzards, hunted down by rampaging illuminati members or taken to mars in a UFO! :rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

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[keystone]

http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/icon_blah.gif

Joe or Speculative :confused: ?

[ban freekmasons]

Been lurking around here and in other places a while. Found this: Masons, Boy Scouts, Lions, Ladies Sewing circle whatever - who you trying to kid Joe?

Sits back to wait for the "he must be a high level mason" accusation. Sorry not true. Joe you are either a Disinformation Peddler or just a plain ordinary Shill.

Hello keystone, aka ****** & ****** of ******* rochester, kent. These guys are professional persecutors for freemasonry. They are pretend victims and part of a bigger network of pretend victims, pure evil. bruce has also got qualifications in psychology.

Noticed you just joined and are trying to discredit me to defend your Masonic membership. This is what all masons do. Bring it on.

No problem, I can back up everything including two years of your contradictory, lying, sowing seeds phone calls. If you don't believe me, just leave your answerphone on at your chosen time. Let me know.

Hi bruce, you said you could bring down freemasonry with the way the persecuting Masons work. Well go for it, if you are a genuine victim then here's your chance. Or was it more FM cods-wallop ? Yes.

[chrism]

Hello keystone, aka ***** and ********* of ***************, rochester, kent. These guys are professional persecutors for freemasonry. They are pretend victims and part of a bigger network of pretend victims, pure evil. bruce has also got qualifications in psychology.

Noticed you just joined and are trying to discredit me to defend your Masonic membership. This is what all masons do. Bring it on.

No problem, I can back up everything including two years of your contradictory, lying, sowing seeds phone calls. If you don't believe me, just leave your answerphone on at your chosen time. Let me know.

Hi bruce, you said you could bring down freemasonry with the way the persecuting Masons work. Well go for it, if you are a genuine victim then here's your chance. Or was it more FM cods-wallop ? Yes.

Hi Freek,

Whatever they have done, publishing their home address details on a forum like this is irresponsible.

I am not trying to protect a 'Brother' because to the best of my knowledge, they are not masons. You may believe this, but either way I am going to ask politely that you edit your post (as I have edited the quote above) to remove their address. It is only fair.

I am sure we will go on to disagree many times in the future, but hope we can agree on this one.

Thanks,

Chrism

[keystone]

Joe

You are wrong by about 3 parsecs on who I am. Are they persecutors "for freemasonry" or "of freemasonry". Pretend victims? Yes - an interesting observation. Are you saying you are the ONLY victim in the whole wide world? Do you know I don't give a fishs' tit about anybodies educational qualifications - what's the relevance.

May have only just joined but I've been reading here for well over a year now. No I'm not tryng to discredit you at all - just reporting something I found on the internet. Why does that have to be turned into a personal attack by you against me? Frankly I'm fed up to the back teeth of BS merchants on both sides of any discussion.

I also think TG is a very christian man BTW. He sent you on your way from his forum (PS I lurk there too and have for quite a long time) in a very friendly and "sorry to see you leave" sort of way. Then you publicly stab him in the back as well. If that's how you treat your friends well.........

Joe, you said "if you are a genuine victim then here's your chance" Go on then. Those who claim masonic membership on here and those who are clearly antimasons or non-masons just having a little fence sit have all challenged you to produce your evidence. So here is your chance. I'm actually very interested to hear about it - otherwise I wouldn't have been listening (and still do listen) to all that Zagami stuff for heavens knows how long.

[keystone]

Whatever they have done, publishing their home address details on a forum like this is irresponsible.

Agree completely. If he won't edit it perhaps moderator will for him. They already removed his new little 3 year old mentality thread this morning.

I am sure we will go on to disagree many times in the future, bhut hope we can agree on this one.

I'm tempted to say fat chance but let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

[91181]

great thread , im currently reading the book about Gods banker (the last supper) my gosh you masons are shady characters..



p2 scandal

Propaganda Due - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[thelonious]

great thread , im currently reading the book about Gods banker (the last supper) my gosh you masons are shady characters..





You know, I could write a book about how people who use Bob Marley avatars on the Internet are "shady characters". But would that make it true?

The fact of the matter is that the P2 Lodge is not a Masonic organization. Its leaders were all *expelled* Masons. In fact, in the 1970's before the scandal broke out, the Grand Orient of Italy, the legitimate Masonic authority in that country, complained to the police that the P2 Lodge appeared to be involved in criminal activity. This complaint was generally ignored.

Then, after the P2 scandal happened, all the newspapers and books started talking about "Masonic conspiracies" even though the Masons tried their best to fix the problem and the civil authorities refused to take the matter seriously.

The Italian Masons are not "shady characters". They are God-fearing, law-abiding citizens who were the first to point out the irregularities of P2.

[element]

This is the truth about how the Masons really operate and believe in their criminal system. This is how cowardly confident they feel.

This is how a controlled Masonic drone thinks;

We are a good, charitable, fraternity of men?
We all use numerous aliases and hide behind the curtains.
We are profound liars. This is one of our first lessons.
We award chocolate medals for telling lies on behalf of the brotherhood.
We defend each other no matter what.
We are masters of disinformation.
We feel confident hiding behind our Master's apron.
We are all gang-stalkers.
We are masters of cheap psychology.
We don't even know the truth as we are all controlled individually.
We are guaranteed a job for life, regardless of qualifications.
We use trusted Masonic families and friends to carry out Masonic Theatre.
We knew about 911 before the profane did. It gave us empowerment.
We have no idea what our fellow Mason's are up to.
We are all eyes and ears for our puppet masters, the intelligent elite.
We do a profile on everybody.
We even brainwash our innocent offspring into Freekmasonry.
We don't care about anything outside Freekmasonry.
We collectively destroy families, businesses, anything, anybody.
We work by cowardly stealth.
We only eat Masonic flavoured carrots. No other story/version will do.
We are masters at wasting your valuable time, no matter how trivial.
We control all CCTV and it only works if we say so.
The "G" in Freekmasonry means Gobble De Gook.
We are destroying the planet and it's contents for total control.
We are just puppets for the elite.
We actually believe in Freekmasonry.
We take orders on how to get inside your head.
We control the Military, Government, Judiciary, NHS, Finances, You.
We control all of your communications.
We are the invisible terrorists within all communities.
We have infiltrated all religions.
We do a lot for corrupt Masonic controlled charities.
We love stupid symbols and believe in them.
We all childishly giggle on collective persecution of one victim.
We control all crime, drugs and the misery that comes with it.
We can isolate (ostracize) any chosen individual.
We are undiluted evil dressed up as good.
We have been programmed to "HATE" profane (uninitiated) people.
We will label truth-seekers or victims as being delusional or paranoid.
We have a new name in the UK, it's called "Common Purpose"
We are very good at sowing seeds into your head.
We control all TV, radio and newspapers.
We fabricate and manipulate all hatred, rumour, revenge and evil.
We are a criminal cult, religion, network, organisation.
We are 100% calculated derangement.
We destroy all genuine Masonic victim's groups, forums and truth-seekers.
We are protected by "The Order Of The Police"
We have lodges in every Police, Government, NHS, Judiciary, Military Dept.
We have a contact number if things go wrong.
We get rewarded for our persecution and allegiance.
We fabricate wars, poverty, politics, terrorism, etc.
We specialise in Masonic Theatre of all types, including terrorism.
We kill the good guys and anything that represents good.
We infect everything we touch.
We strive for genocide.
We keep criminal secrets upon pain of death.
We are absolutely terrified to leave this criminal fraternity.
We pretend to believe in a deity.
We believe in sacrifice, Lucifer, Satan, The Horned God and anything bad.
We live in a parallel world to the ignorant law abiding taxpayers.
We use thousands of different group names world-wide.
We get pleasure watching innocent profane people suffer.
We are so mentally messed up, we think we're in control.
We are the most grand, wondrous, worshipful "LEMONS"
All religions, debating groups, secret societies or societies with secrets (their get out clause), etc, etc, are under the umbrella of Freekmasonry.



Chocolate medals awarding, gang banging, carrot eating criminal cult.:D:D

[keystone]

So here is your chance.

Hello Joe - are you there? (http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/r/K/tumbleweeds01.jpg)

[barney_rubble]

how many freemasons does it take to change a light bulb?....you don't know......I don't know either it's a secret..:rolleyes::D

Q: How may profane does it take to change in a light bulb?

A: None they are eternally in the dark.

[ban freekmasons]

hello keystone, my personal details are all over the Net as you hide behind the curtains. PM me your details and we talk, simple eh?

[keystone]

hello keystone, my personal details are all over the Net as you hide behind the curtains. PM me your details and we talk, simple eh?

Yeah right! If you stab your friends in the back how can I trust you? I'm not hiding behind any curtains. It's not only me you have to convince either - theres a host of others as well.

No secret discussions then in the interests of transparency otherwise you behave exactly as you accuse others (masons) of behaving. Given the nature of this place there'd be a howl of "conspiracy" and we can't have that now can we?

C'mon - you claim evidence yet produce none (not counting all that bollox about acorns under the hood and "he lives at number 13 he must be a mason" which a child of 4 could see through).

Must have hit a nerve though if you want to talk and be taken seriously.

BTW I've read elsewhere and here that some would have it that you are off your tiny little rocker. I don't agree (even though unlike BR I don't have a psychology qualification). I think you're one clever guy with all his wits about him but too much time on his hands playing a very nice little game with all and sundry.

BEing a plumber from Glasgow you wouldn't be related to the well known Glaswegian Plumber Dick Puller who posts frequently on a UK plumbing forum and seems to have the same sort of mindset as yourself.

BTW I'm off now for a couple of days - gotta earn a crust you know. Back Friday evening/Sat morning.

[ban freekmasons]

rest my case, keystone. get back behind the curtains or do you have time for more crap from an invisible mason? typical all mouth and hiding. coward

[stealth]

Q: How may profane does it take to change in a light bulb?

A: None they are eternally in the dark.

Keep your friends close,and your enemies closer,sun-tzu 400bc.chinese general & strategist.....ACK ACKA DAK,DAK DAKA ACK.:rolleyes:

[keystone]

rest my case, keystone. get back behind the curtains or do you have time for more crap from an invisible mason? typical all mouth and hiding. coward

Ha! I've just won a tenner! Bet myself that would be your reply and true to form you did. See how predictable you can be?

"Do I have more time for more crap from an invisible mason?"

No not really not from anybody actually. Are you an invisible mason?

Well now I may just send you that PM but not just yet. Lets see how others react to this thread and what they advise me to do. I'll read with interest when I get back. Must go now or I'll miss the train.

[ichi wa zen]

Why does no one in the streets know about freemasonry?

because its a secret society.

[91181]

You know, I could write a book about how people who use Bob Marley avatars on the Internet are "shady characters". But would that make it true?

The fact of the matter is that the P2 Lodge is not a Masonic organization. Its leaders were all *expelled* Masons. In fact, in the 1970's before the scandal broke out, the Grand Orient of Italy, the legitimate Masonic authority in that country, complained to the police that the P2 Lodge appeared to be involved in criminal activity. This complaint was generally ignored.

Then, after the P2 scandal happened, all the newspapers and books started talking about "Masonic conspiracies" even though the Masons tried their best to fix the problem and the civil authorities refused to take the matter seriously.

The Italian Masons are not "shady characters". They are God-fearing, law-abiding citizens who were the first to point out the irregularities of P2.






speaking of shady characters

http://www.ugle.org.uk/ugle/images/grandmaster.jpg

[ban freekmasons]

To all Masons hiding behind the curtains, see my post on "How to handle the Masonic Trolls" by www.joestirling.com

[thelonious]

speaking of shady characters

http://www.ugle.org.uk/ugle/images/grandmaster.jpg

Why is he a shady character?

[tinmenace]

Why is he a shady character?

Cos he's a Freemason :)

[thelonious]

Cos he's a Freemason :)

Thanks Tinmenace. Whenever I need an example of a logical fallacy and circular argument, I'll just look up your response!

:D

[amethyst]

If anyone reads that thread in this section called "Masonic Belief's and practices" ...(Id suggest it..it's really informative), you'll see that a lot of men who join, don't really know what is going on at the higher levels of freemasonry.

I think a lot of them have relatives (fathers, uncles etc.) who reccommend it to them to join, saying it's so great because it promotes good causes and is a "moral" organization.

But that facade of morality is what hooks them, because it's deceitful. I think it would be easy to fall for some of the stuff they do, not knowing that they are really serving satan/lucifer as opposed to God. They just think they are doing a lot of good, charitable work. That's why a lot of clergy appear to be interested in it and join.

That, in itself, is not a bad thing, but if some of them really knew who they were serving, they might thing twice about the organization OR be in a big dillema, about having to leave the organization cuz of the ties they have made or the oaths they have taken. I think it takes a courageous man to leave something behind that gives them a lot of perks. That's a choice that a lot of masons (who have a conscience) must face.

[thelonious]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]If anyone reads that thread in this section called "Masonic Belief's and practices" ...(Id suggest it..it's really informative), you'll see that a lot of men who join, don't really know what is going on at the higher levels of freemasonry.

That's usually not the case anymore. The majority of our new candidates these days have studied the subject before applying, and generally know a good deal about Freemasonry before ever stepping foot in a Lodge.




I think a lot of them have relatives (fathers, uncles etc.) who reccommend it to them to join, saying it's so great because it promotes good causes and is a "moral" organization.

I would say this is probably true of the past, from about 1950 - 1990. But what we're seeing now is sort of a renaissance beginning in Masonry. Men are now joining not because their dads and granddas were members, but because they're seeking something spiritual and meaningful outside of tradition religion and civic clubs. They've studied Masonry on the Internet and in Masonic books, and tend to like what they've found.



But that facade of morality is what hooks them, because it's deceitful. I think it would be easy to fall for some of the stuff they do, not knowing that they are really serving satan/lucifer as opposed to God. They just think they are doing a lot of good, charitable work. That's why a lot of clergy appear to be interested in it and join.

"Satan/Lucifer" is a matter for Christian theology, not Freemasonry.

I think it takes a courageous man to leave something behind that gives them a lot of perks.

I would say that, most certainly, Freemasonry doesn't offer any kind of "perks". It is much easier to be a non-Mason than a Mason. When one is a Mason, he is expected to hold himself to a higher standard than he did before he became a Mason. This in itself is hard work, and is nowhere near as easy to do as it is to talk about.

He also must expect some of the anti-Masonic bigotry and prejudiced as displayed in this forum, as well as other places. Sometimes that's not easy either, and it takes a very noble character in a Mason to take it all in stride.

[mike martin]

But that facade of morality is what hooks them, because it's deceitful. I think it would be easy to fall for some of the stuff they do, not knowing that they are really serving satan/lucifer as opposed to God. They just think they are doing a lot of good, charitable work. That's why a lot of clergy appear to be interested in it and join.

That, in itself, is not a bad thing, but if some of them really knew who they were serving, they might thing twice about the organization OR be in a big dillema, about having to leave the organization cuz of the ties they have made or the oaths they have taken. I think it takes a courageous man to leave something behind that gives them a lot of perks. That's a choice that a lot of masons (who have a conscience) must face.

I'd really like to know how this serving the Adversary thing works?

If you pray to God, how are you serving the Adversary?

If you live your life by Christian principles, how are you serving the Adversary?

If you go out of your way to be good and do your best for yor fellow man, how are you serving the Aversary?

I just don't get it. Surely you would have to sign up to serving the Adversary in order to do so?


Mike

[barney_rubble]

If anyone reads that thread in this section called "Masonic Belief's and practices" ...(Id suggest it..it's really informative), you'll see that a lot of men who join, don't really know what is going on at the higher levels of freemasonry.

Nope - If anyone reads that thread in this section called "Masonic Belief's and practices", you'll read a lot of lies.

[tinmenace]

Thanks Tinmenace. Whenever I need an example of a logical fallacy and circular argument, I'll just look up your response!

:D

You're welcome! :D

Rule of thumb, if they're Freemasons - they support the division of the human species at the gender level. That makes them wicked and evil. It's that simple ;)

[tubbyboy]

You're welcome! :D

Rule of thumb, if they're Freemasons - they support the division of the human species at the gender level. That makes them wicked and evil. It's that simple ;)




I don't like you. Why the obsession with Masonry?

Rule of thumb, if the Womens Institute support the division of the human species at gender level they are wicked and evil and vewwy vewwy howwid.

Tubs

[tinmenace]

i Don't Like You. Why The Obsession With Masonry?

Rule Of Thumb, If The Womens Institute Support The Division Of The Human Species At Gender Level They Are Wicked And Evil And Vewwy Vewwy Howwid.

Tubs

Aw...so cute :)

[tubbyboy]

Aw...so cute :)

Maybe I do like you after all, how about a spot of hoop dhobi? I may even reach around if you're a good boy...

What's the problem, did your mummy not hug you enough? Or maybe your daddy hugged you a bit too much?

Do one you dullard!

[amethyst]

That's usually not the case anymore. The majority of our new candidates these days have studied the subject before applying, and generally know a good deal about Freemasonry before ever stepping foot in a Lodge.




I would say this is probably true of the past, from about 1950 - 1990. But what we're seeing now is sort of a renaissance beginning in Masonry. Men are now joining not because their dads and granddas were members, but because they're seeking something spiritual and meaningful outside of tradition religion and civic clubs. They've studied Masonry on the Internet and in Masonic books, and tend to like what they've found.



"Satan/Lucifer" is a matter for Christian theology, not Freemasonry.



I would say that, most certainly, Freemasonry doesn't offer any kind of "perks". It is much easier to be a non-Mason than a Mason. When one is a Mason, he is expected to hold himself to a higher standard than he did before he became a Mason. This in itself is hard work, and is nowhere near as easy to do as it is to talk about.

He also must expect some of the anti-Masonic bigotry and prejudiced as displayed in this forum, as well as other places. Sometimes that's not easy either, and it takes a very noble character in a Mason to take it all in stride.

Well I'm curious, can't you have a "higher standard" and NOT join a group? Why do you need a group to validate your behavior? You can just as easily have a higher standard with out being part of some group.

And what do you consider your "higher standard" that a mason would adhere to?

[empyblessing]

Nope - If anyone reads that thread in this section called "Masonic Belief's and practices", you'll read a lot of lies.

If anyone believes your bullshit they're believing a single lie. :)

[marpat]

Why does no one in the streets know about freemasonry?

because its a secret society.

But people do know if it. It is common knowledge that there are rituals and secret handshakes. There activities and membership may be discreet but the existence of the organisation is not secret.

[marpat]

If anyone believes your bullshit they're believing a single lie. :)


Come on at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I have read a lot of bad things about mason but that does not mean that every word I have read is true. The trouble is that people are substituting what they have read for actual experience. The truth is that the written word cannot be trusted!!!!

Do people believe everything they read in the newspapers? no, so why do people believe everything they read about masons, most of the stuff coming from sources that may be biased or just wrong.

People need to keep an open mind at least and not put everything into negative, fear based categories and stereotypes.

[joegum]

Thelonious wrote:
He also must expect some of the anti-Masonic bigotry and prejudiced as displayed in this forum, as well as other places. Sometimes that's not easy either, and it takes a very noble character in a Mason to take it all in stride.


To get too worked up over posts made on the internet is usually a silly waste of energy. But, have you folks (Masons) actually experienced any real-life bigotry of a serious nature that you would feel comfortable posting about? (Being held back professionally, being stalked... etc.)

[tinmenace]

Maybe I do like you after all, how about a spot of hoop dhobi? I may even reach around if you're a good boy...

What's the problem, did your mummy not hug you enough? Or maybe your daddy hugged you a bit too much?

Do one you dullard!

*cough* I'm a girl, actually. That must be why you don't like me ;)

[thelonious]

Thelonious wrote:



To get too worked up over posts made on the internet is usually a silly waste of energy. But, have you folks (Masons) actually experienced any real-life bigotry of a serious nature that you would feel comfortable posting about? (Being held back professionally, being stalked... etc.)

Personally, I have not. In the United States, the public is generally supportive of Masonry. The only anti-Masonic event I've ever encountered was, after leaving a Lodge meeting one night, some anonymous evangelical had left anti-Masonic Jack Chick tracts on our cars.

However, in the UK, it's a bit different, and Masons are subject to more bigotry than here in the US.

[element]

Come on at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I have read a lot of bad things about mason but that does not mean that every word I have read is true. The trouble is that people are substituting what they have read for actual experience. The truth is that the written word cannot be trusted!!!!

Do people believe everything they read in the newspapers? no, so why do people believe everything they read about masons, most of the stuff coming from sources that may be biased or just wrong.

People need to keep an open mind at least and not put everything into negative, fear based categories and stereotypes.

True words. Thanks for that, hopefully some people will understand this simple wisdom.

[91181]

Personally, I have not. In the United States, the public is generally supportive of Masonry. The only anti-Masonic event I've ever encountered was, after leaving a Lodge meeting one night, some anonymous evangelical had left anti-Masonic Jack Chick tracts on our cars.

However, in the UK, it's a bit different, and Masons are subject to more bigotry than here in the US.



Half the US dosnt know where Iraq is on a map, go figure..


100 channals of gladiators , thank you lord...

[thelonious]

Half the US dosnt know where Iraq is on a map, go figure..




Just curious: where did you get that?

[amethyst]

Originally Posted by thelonious
That's usually not the case anymore. The majority of our new candidates these days have studied the subject before applying, and generally know a good deal about Freemasonry before ever stepping foot in a Lodge.




I would say this is probably true of the past, from about 1950 - 1990. But what we're seeing now is sort of a renaissance beginning in Masonry. Men are now joining not because their dads and granddas were members, but because they're seeking something spiritual and meaningful outside of tradition religion and civic clubs. They've studied Masonry on the Internet and in Masonic books, and tend to like what they've found.



"Satan/Lucifer" is a matter for Christian theology, not Freemasonry.



I would say that, most certainly, Freemasonry doesn't offer any kind of "perks". It is much easier to be a non-Mason than a Mason. When one is a Mason, he is expected to hold himself to a higher standard than he did before he became a Mason. This in itself is hard work, and is nowhere near as easy to do as it is to talk about.

He also must expect some of the anti-Masonic bigotry and prejudiced as displayed in this forum, as well as other places. Sometimes that's not easy either, and it takes a very noble character in a Mason to take it all in stride.

Well I'm curious, can't you have a "higher standard" and NOT join a group? Why do you need a group to validate your behavior? You can just as easily have a higher standard with out being part of some group.

And what do you consider your "higher standard" that a mason would adhere to?

Well no one answered my questions...why do you "need" an organization to live a "higher standard"?

[amethyst]

*cough* I'm a girl, actually. That must be why you don't like me ;)




Tinmenace, your cat avatar is ADORABLE! Is it your cat?:)

[mike martin]

[/B]

Well no one answered my questions...why do you "need" an organization to live a "higher standard"?

Of course you don't need an organisation to live a higher standard but then again you don't need to write everything in pretty colours but you do.

Need is not what it is about! There is a fraternity that can be joined if you want, in the same way that there are colour fonts that can be used if you want.

Mike

[thelonious]

[/B]

Well no one answered my questions...why do you "need" an organization to live a "higher standard"?

When I say that Masons are supposed to have a higher standard, I don't mean a higher one than you, but a higher one than himself. When a man is initiated as an Apprentice, his purpose for joining is to "improve myself in Masonry". Therefore, as a Mason, he is expected to hold himself to even a higher standard than he did before. He no longer represents only himself but, to the community, he represents all his brothers as well.

[jonb]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/jonber/Temptation.gif
Come on boys who can say they have not been tempted to join the Masons

[diamond dogs]

Of course you don't need an organisation to live a higher standard but then again you don't need to write everything in pretty colours but you do.

Need is not what it is about! There is a fraternity that can be joined if you want, in the same way that there are colour fonts that can be used if you want.

Mike

Yes but Mike but there are more colours out there than just Blue...there are more colours in the spectrum and having a 'blinkered' approach surely limits your horizons?

[amethyst]

Of course you don't need an organisation to live a higher standard but then again you don't need to write everything in pretty colours but you do.

Need is not what it is about! There is a fraternity that can be joined if you want, in the same way that there are colour fonts that can be used if you want.

Mike

Well I write everything in violet because I am "amethyst":D (and it's my favorite color)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/jonber/Temptation.gif
Come on boys who can say they have not been tempted to join the Masons



I love Groucho!!, but didn't he say: "I would never belong to any organisation that would have a person such as myself as a member".?

[tinmenace]

Need is not what it is about! There is a fraternity that can be joined if you want, in the same way that there are colour fonts that can be used if you want.

Mike

Except if you're a woman. :rolleyes: Of course they'll try to convince you that there is NO division because there are lodges just for women and unisex lodges too (yippeee! :rolleyes: ) But THEIR lodges, and THEIR craft, the original one, is not accessible to women.

Freemasons, whether they know it or not, are helping to divide the human species at the gender level. They are helping to keep mankind oppressed and enslaved because they don't resist the notion that Freemasons are somehow more special than other people. Freemasons help their brothers out (often by breaking the law), but somehow the rest of us aren't entitled to the same privileges.

Simply going along with that mindset helps to oppress humanity. You can justify your wickedness all you like. It's going to catch up with you, and I hope you're ready for what's coming your way ;)

[geronimo]

This thread is 5 thumbs up. High Five OP!

I have thought deeply about this, masons are BAD!

Wrong. It's a mistaken conclusion to reach that Masons as bad, since many of them are excellent people, quite knowledgeable, sincere and well-intentioned. The point is, can they, and masons as a group, be manipulated, can they be pawns in a game about which they know little or nothing? Yes they can, and no amount of dismissive comment or whitewashing from past or present members is going to detract from some painfully obvious facts - Crowley's Satanic/masonic activities, Albert Pike's Luciferian allegiance, his predictions of three world wars according to design, the embarrassing facts about child skeletons under Benjamin Franklin's residence, and a large number of other details including the horrendous, ongoing coverup of Diana's murder are not going to be 'brushed under the carpet' forever. Masons weren't involved? Of course they were, and still are. I've studied masonic symbols engraved on a ceremonial glass belonging to a friend who's father was a member - and quite clearly the upside-down pentagram - a satanic symbol - was prominently displayed.
One should never make the mistake of condemning Masons, saying Christians are bad, police are bad, government is bad, and so on. Yes, there are always corrupt elements, but look for the brainwashed mind as the real culprit.
My girlfriend attended a military parade today, the costumes, the pageantry, the ritualistic patriotic fervour impressed her. I reminded her that these people are essentially state sanctioned killers, and probably unaware of the chess game in which they are disposable pawns.
On the American political 'scene' - (an unbelievable, lame Punch-and Judy puppet show) Rockefeller-Murdock-supported Obama rises to prominence while 'losing' Murdoch-supported Hillary pledges allegience to Obama, and they zoom off for a secret Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Virginia, deceiving the journalists into travelling elsewhere. COMPLETE blackout in the so-called 'democratic' American Press. Hillary and Bill blatantly lie about their past Bilderberg paticipation when confronted by We Are Change.
Now the 'Independent candidates' are 'patting each other on the back'. Meanwhile the unspoken event is patrolled by thugs and spooks with their guns hanging out of car windows, harrassing honest journalists with dirty tricks, as Alex Jones will undoubtedly reveal.
This is all an unbelievably pretentious, elitist game. Past and present members of the masons should come clean, get off their high horses and stop pretending they - and us - aren't being played for fools, and the 'Press' should grow up and get a life.
Webster Tarpley recently comments that the Bush 'faction' has been superceded by the Zbignew Berzenski Council Of Foreign Relations-controlled Obama faction, and now the danger of bombing Iran has been replaced by the greater danger of 'Grand Chess Master'
Berzenski inflaming a confrontation with China, (predicted long ago by David Icke)
Psychopaths come in all different flavours, like ice cream. You have one bunch of psychos lusting after Iran, and another lot with their beady eyes focused on China - yet they still want the same goal, (world domination, subjugation) and still, as far as I can see, agree in this principle objective while skirmishing amongst themselves as a sort of display to feed the public illusion.

geronimo

[jonb]

I love Groucho!!, but didn't he say: "I would never belong to any organisation that would have a person such as myself as a member".?
Has Mike Martin and his phratts (I'm not sure how to spell that word should it be a 'ph' an 'f' or just a 'p', I am dislexic) tempted any of us? will they? are they even trying? No. That proves their only reason to be here is to spoil things. That proves we are about a thing which they want spoilt, and that gives me courage, for they still fear us otherwise they would not work against us.

[mike martin]

That proves their only reason to be here is to spoil things. That proves we are about a thing which they want spoilt, and that gives me courage, for they still fear us otherwise they would not work against us.

I'd have to ask how exactly and what am I trying to spoil?

I came here originally to put off an invasion of our Forum and have been answering questions about Freemasonry. How exactly is that spoiling anything and more importantly how does it show that I fear you or that I'm working against anyone?

Mike

[stealth]

I'd have to ask how exactly and what am I trying to spoil?

I came here originally to put off an invasion of our Forum and have been answering questions about Freemasonry. How exactly is that spoiling anything and more importantly how does it show that I fear you or that I'm working against anyone?

Mike

ATTACK is the best form of DEFENCE ?:rolleyes:

[mike martin]

ATTACK is the best form of DEFENCE ?:rolleyes:
I believe your avoiding the actual question!

OK so who am I attacking?

Mike

[razed1]

mike , mikey, michael

i cant imagine the look on your face, that one day, when you realize everything that the ppl on this forum and claiming about the masnonic organizationis TRUE

until that day, plz carry on, dont stop on my account with your mindless banter

[stealth]

i Believe Your Avoiding The Actual Question!

Ok So Who Am I Attacking?

Mike

Gone Fishing:d

[jonb]

OK so who am I attacking?

Mike

Ok Mike, I'll go for it, who are you attacking at the moment?

[thelucifer]

Except if you're a woman. :rolleyes: Of course they'll try to convince you that there is NO division because there are lodges just for women and unisex lodges too (yippeee! :rolleyes: ) But THEIR lodges, and THEIR craft, the original one, is not accessible to women.

Freemasons, whether they know it or not, are helping to divide the human species at the gender level. They are helping to keep mankind oppressed and enslaved because they don't resist the notion that Freemasons are somehow more special than other people. Freemasons help their brothers out (often by breaking the law), but somehow the rest of us aren't entitled to the same privileges.

Simply going along with that mindset helps to oppress humanity. You can justify your wickedness all you like. It's going to catch up with you, and I hope you're ready for what's coming your way ;)










I do find women being second class very offensive.
I look at the awesome beauty of women and know it is I who is second class.


But the most offensive thing is, claiming to be one with (girlfriend/wife) one from whom you keep secrets.
A real mind blower.

[razed1]

i think the masons in this forum should consider going over to the randi forums,

there alot of likeminded, shallow, spineless jellyfish in those waters too, im sure youll all get along so well!

take a look at this thread, and see how these shills subjugate the truth

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115083



its makes me sick to see these ppl with their snobby attitudes, pat eachother on the back as they lump anything beyond their small paradigm of possibility as "troofers"

[ban freekmasons]

Wrong. It's a mistaken conclusion to reach that Masons as bad, since many of them are excellent people, quite knowledgeable, sincere and well-intentioned.
geronimo

Hello geronimo, your statement above blows us Masonic victims away. Would you like to be the very first good? mason to talk to our victims group? or can you recommend a good? mason. After all, word twister Mason Mike Martin (always dressed up as good from behind the curtains) keeps refusing to talk to us on a land line. In fact, why do all Masons hide if it's such a wonderful charitable fraternity? Add this to your quoted statement above.

www.joestirling.com

[boots]

I'd have to ask how exactly and what am I trying to spoil?

I came here originally to put off an invasion of our Forum and have been answering questions about Freemasonry. How exactly is that spoiling anything and more importantly how does it show that I fear you or that I'm working against anyone?

Mike

You treat it as an invasion:rolleyes:

There two or three clowns that went over to your forum and asked a couple of stupid questions .

So you come here with invasion in mind.

Good to see you spoke the truth for once.

[chrism]

Hello geronimo, your statement above blows us Masonic victims away. Would you like to be the very first good? mason to talk to our victims group? or can you recommend a good? mason. After all, word twister Mason Mike Martin (always dressed up as good from behind the curtains) keeps refusing to talk to us on a land line. In fact, why do all Masons hide if it's such a wonderful charitable fraternity? Add this to your quoted statement above.

www.joestirling.com

We are here Joe - speak to us. Ask the questions you have and EVERYONE can see the answers we will give.

If you have evidence of wrong doing present it to us on the forum - we can answer your accusations only if you present them to us. You have already decided (pre-judged - prejudiced) that masons are evil because you THINK we are targeting you. You claim to have proof of this and other masonic wrongdoings - all we are asking is that you tell us what you are talking about.

You seem to have gone from masonic donkeys and carrots to curtains. You think we are hiding in some way - we are here, not hiding, and more than willing to discuss your opinions with you and anyone else. What does 1 man calling you on a 'land line' (why does it have to be a land-line?!) have to do with it, when you have access to many on this forum?

Another suggestion would be to approach the TV companies with your story. Even Trisha (dreadful show that it is) will listen to your EVIDENCE and if the producers feel it is strong enough will approach masons to ask them to talk to you about it live. I think the problem may be that even this, the most sensationalist of arenas, will not be able to support your accusations, which is an indication at least that you are barking well and truly up the wrong tree.

Please seek the professional help you clearly require - your paranoia is forcing you to see enemies where none exist, and you are blaming you misfortunes on masonry without ANY evidence. If you get a flat tyre on your way home tonight - this will simply reinforce your belief that the masons are involved, whereas it will actually be dumb luck. And targeting the masons in the way you are will not bring out their charitable sides. I am trying to be calm and polite, because as a human being you have the right to hold an opinion and profess it to others, but your insistence on defiling the name of masonry and all the thousands who range under its banner based entirely on a hunch is tantamount to slander, and at the very least is unfair propaganda.

Chrism

[ban freekmasons]

We are here Joe - speak to us. Ask the questions you have and EVERYONE can see the answers we will give.

If you have evidence of wrong doing present it to us on the forum - we can answer your accusations only if you present them to us. You have already decided (pre-judged - prejudiced) that masons are evil because you THINK we are targeting you. You claim to have proof of this and other masonic wrongdoings - all we are asking is that you tell us what you are talking about.

You seem to have gone from masonic donkeys and carrots to curtains. You think we are hiding in some way - we are here, not hiding, and more than willing to discuss your opinions with you and anyone else. What does 1 man calling you on a 'land line' (why does it have to be a land-line?!) have to do with it, when you have access to many on this forum?

Another suggestion would be to approach the TV companies with your story. Even Trisha (dreadful show that it is) will listen to your EVIDENCE and if the producers feel it is strong enough will approach masons to ask them to talk to you about it live. I think the problem may be that even this, the most sensationalist of arenas, will not be able to support your accusations, which is an indication at least that you are barking well and truly up the wrong tree.

Please seek the professional help you clearly require - your paranoia is forcing you to see enemies where none exist, and you are blaming you misfortunes on masonry without ANY evidence. If you get a flat tyre on your way home tonight - this will simply reinforce your belief that the masons are involved, whereas it will actually be dumb luck. And targeting the masons in the way you are will not bring out their charitable sides. I am trying to be calm and polite, because as a human being you have the right to hold an opinion and profess it to others, but your insistence on defiling the name of masonry and all the thousands who range under its banner based entirely on a hunch is tantamount to slander, and at the very least is unfair propaganda.

Chrism

OK mason chrism, what part of live, independent, filmed audience don't you understand ? you are a complete twat as you hide behind the curtains and ask us to present our evidence on this forum or other masonic controlled media. Now stop trying to be clever and reveal your true identity, but you won't as you are a complete chicken pluckin' masonic thicko timewaster.

Now prove us all wrong as we wait for just one good? Mason to reveal himself and prove that you are a part of a wonderful? charitable? fraternity.
We have been asking this same question (world-wide) for around four years now and not ONE has come forward.

There are far too many good people on this forum who know that Feekmasonry is a criminal organisation. Invisible Masons like you only strengthen this truth. Can't wait for your cowardly, stupid answer as you blah blah blah your brainwashed disinformation all day long.

Now get back behind your Master's apron, you'll feel safer. Danglberry

[chrism]

OK mason chrism, what part of live, independent, filmed audience don't you understand ? you are a complete twat as you hide behind the curtains and ask us to present our evidence on this forum or other masonic controlled media. Now stop trying to be clever and reveal your true identity, but you won't as you are a complete chicken pluckin' masonic thicko timewaster.

Now prove us all wrong as we wait for just one good? Mason to reveal himself and prove that you are a part of a wonderful? charitable? fraternity.
We have been asking this same question (world-wide) for around four years now and not ONE has come forward.

There are far too many good people on this forum who know that Feekmasonry is a criminal organisation. Invisible Masons like you only strengthen this truth. Can't wait for your cowardly, stupid answer as you blah blah blah your brainwashed disinformation all day long.

Now get back behind your Master's apron, you'll feel safer. Danglberry

I can't believe I wasted around 20 second searching your post for some evidence again.

I have to maintain that there IS not proof, that your paranoid and delusional little brain has left you seeing monsters in the shadows and that you are completely incapable of taking responsiblity for your own mistakes and misfortunes.

I am not an invisible Mason - I am rather too solid and overtly visible, as my gym trainer will tell you. I am not brainwashed - I made the decision to join masonry after many months of investigation because I had been led to believe (by other misled and poorly informed idiots) that masonry was in some way evil or anti-humanitarian. If it was, I would not be a member!

Oh - and descending (or is that ascending - pond-life has no room to descend, does it?) to calling me a twat is hardly going to sway me now is it? I have been called much worse. Even at primary school, where bum-brain and pee-head seemed to be more common there were some who had learned this crude and crass little word. Grow up, Joe, the only person you are fooling here is yourself.

You mentioned a live audience, which is exactly what I suggested to you. What is your point, exactly? You think THIS forum is Mason controlled? The DAVID ICKE forum? How paranoid do you have to be to believe that?!? There are many masons here, because we have an interest in the unknown as much as anyone else. We answer questions in this thread as in others hoping that some people will at least have access to a balanced view. If you want to ask questions, go ahead... you have the floor.

If people KNOW freemasonry is a 'Criminal' organisation, then I am guessing they will have PROOF. It's only right. After all, I could call you a petty minded, irrational and petrified little seat-sniffer who blames his inadequate blessings on the many abuses he suffered as an unloved and sincerely unlovable child, but without proof it is just an opinion, and therefore I would urge everyone to ignore it. I think proof of your paranoia and delusion is inherent in your posts, so I stand by that bit.

As for identifying myself - I am called Chris, I am a mason. I wear an apron once a month. What else do you need to know? Last time someone gave you their full name and address you posted their full details on the forum in a vile and unacceptable way (Thanks to Lookfar for removing them, BTW), and even your allies you turn against and accuse of being a mason when they disagree with something you say. I have no intention of talking to you on the phone, for you to twist my words and misquote me on this or other fora.

Joe, you think the world is out to get you, and you seem intent on turning everyone you meet against you. A self-fulfilling prophecy maybe?

Chrism

[ban freekmasons]

Thanks for the dumb answer as you try to twist things. You answered nothing and spew more masonic dribble. A lot of people don't know that you have spent years dealing with masonic victims. You use hundreds of aliases. You get paid for collective disinformation.

I live in a logical world and should kick my own ass for communicating with a invisible coward who can't/won't reveal himself, wonder why? You are not even human as you can't even prove you are a physical person. You are nothing.

We have hundreds of similar answers from masons world wide and you have contributed to our case. You are a classic FM drone. I get a lot of comfort knowing that I'm not dumb enough to be an invisible mason. Heh heh

Anyway, enough of the bitch bitch as you are wasting our valuable time.
Back on track and lots more to come. www.joestirling.com

[thelonious]

I live in a logical world

Hmmm. Aren't you the same guy who wrote that he was going to tie a knife to a helium ballon, cut his own throat, let the suicide weapon fly as away so as to eliminate the evidence, and set everything up to look like a "Masonic assasination"?

Sorry dude. You're a freakin' creep.

[the guy in pink]

Hmmm. Aren't you the same guy who wrote that he was going to tie a knife to a helium ballon, cut his own throat, let the suicide weapon fly as away so as to eliminate the evidence, and set everything up to look like a "Masonic assasination"?

Great plan - with one small detail problem.
How will Joe know it his plan was successful?
:D

[marpat]

This thread is 5 thumbs up. High Five OP!

I have thought deeply about this, masons are BAD!

For somebody who thinks deeply you don't really try and illuminate anybody.

[mike martin]

You treat it as an invasion:rolleyes:

There two or three clowns that went over to your forum and asked a couple of stupid questions .

So you come here with invasion in mind.

Good to see you spoke the truth for once.

I take it that you never read the first topic that actually resulted in a few of us joining this Forum.

I'd suggest that you have a read through then your perspective won't be so skewed:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21267

Mike

[jonb]

Mike, I thought you were going to tell us who you are attacking.

[mike martin]

Mike, I thought you were going to tell us who you are attacking.
I thought it was a joke question. I'm not attacking anyone.

Mike

[jonb]

I thought it was a joke question. I'm not attacking anyone.

Mike
A worthy Post Mike, it must be a red letter day for a mason not to be attacking anyone. I aplaud how much you have moved keep this in your soul, and then you might stop supporting evil, help others, Join with infinte love, and stop playing with little symbols that you don't understand. This is a good day you might be starting to let the love into your being.
Love jonb

[mike martin]

A worthy Post Mike, it must be a red letter day for a mason not to be attacking anyone. I aplaud how much you have moved keep this in your soul, and then you might stop supporting evil, help others, Join with infinte love, and stop playing with little symbols that you don't understand. This is a good day you might be starting to let the love into your being.
Love jonb

I think that you would be quite suprised to find out what Freemasonry is actually all about. I have posted here before links to the actual ritual (hosted by non_Masons, you can tell as they have also reproduced the signs tokens and words) of the degrees it is easy to read them and find out what exactly is occurring within Lodges so that you can compare it to what you've been told or have read. The actual Masonic symbols (not the made up ones) are explained also.

You would see that Freemasonry does not support evil nor does it supplicate the Adversary for support. It is a traditional format (mystery play) for making its members think about how they interact with each other and mankind as a whole linked up with a fellowship system that encourages you to be friends with lots of people and to thnk more about Charity.

The bottom line is it is not about ruling the world, putting non-Members down, worshipping anyone (let alone the Adversary), scratching backs, corruption nor any of the things that people here seem to believe.

Mike

[thelucifer]

The bottom line is it is not about ruling the world, putting non-Members down, worshipping anyone (let alone the Adversary), scratching backs, corruption nor any of the things that people here seem to believe.

Mike, how many quotes do I need to come up with to show thats exactly the case over here ?

Remember, over here we have Novus Ordo Seclorum and the DC Masonic beast !!!




http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2006/10/masonic-racism-october-surprise-that.html

wear a ring and call himself a Mason, and then dust off his shoes and not look back? It seems he's a Mason only by virtue of paying his dues every year. Big shots do that all the time. They join all the groups they can, for the business contacts and the networking and to say "Yeah, I belong...."

I conferred the Entered Apprentice degree, and acted as Senior Deacon during his 2nd and 3rd degrees, on a bank president a few years ago that we never saw in the lodge again after he was made a Master Mason. It happens all the time, everywhere, I'm sure. These aren't the guys that stop coming to the lodge because they didn't find what they were looking for; these are the guys that got exactly what they were looking for — membership and privilege

[jonb]

I think that you would be quite suprised to find out what Freemasonry is actually all about. I have posted here before links to the actual ritual (hosted by non_Masons, you can tell as they have also reproduced the signs tokens and words) of the degrees it is easy to read them and find out what exactly is occurring within Lodges so that you can compare it to what you've been told or have read. The actual Masonic symbols (not the made up ones) are explained also.

You would see that Freemasonry does not support evil nor does it supplicate the Adversary for support. It is a traditional format (mystery play) for making its members think about how they interact with each other and mankind as a whole linked up with a fellowship system that encourages you to be friends with lots of people and to thnk more about Charity.

The bottom line is it is not about ruling the world, putting non-Members down, worshipping anyone (let alone the Adversary), scratching backs, corruption nor any of the things that people here seem to believe.

Mike

Oh Mike; and I thought we were making such progress with this therapy, but just as we got to a break through, that ugly beast 'denial' has rased its head.
The pathology of your case is complex I know, but I am sure we can together work through your ideosicracies. You are an individual capable of self determination. It is true that you see the world now through your addiction, and therefore to get you to admit that you can stand alone, we have first to deal with your denial. Like all people that have an addiction, whether it be drugs, alcohol, or smoking, you will scaffold the structure which harms you by denying that it does you harm. We see this often in smokers who will tell a story like that of old Granny Smith who lived to be a hundred and seven and smoked forty a day, In doing this they scaffold the harm cigarettes are doing to them by envisaging a scenario where the addiction does not harm them. Now relax back on your couch think of a pleasant place where you are comfortable and safe, and where Masons could not threaten you because of your doubts. This will be a good first step. I am sure as we work through your issues together, we will encounter many setbacks in your progress, but if you have built that safe place around you, you know you will not be harmed. Ultimately you will become somebody who is valued in his own right, not just a cog in a wheel pressured by those who surround him.
love jonb

[tinmenace]

You would see that Freemasonry does not support evil (oppression of the feminine has creates evil because it has created a dangerous imbalance) nor does it supplicate the Adversary for support. It is a traditional format (mystery play) for making its members think about how they interact with each other and mankind (which apparently women don't qualify as belonging to) as a whole linked up with a fellowship system that encourages you to be friends with lots of people and to thnk more about Charity. :rolleyes:

The bottom line is it is not about ruling the world (except that so MANY influential people happen to be Freemasons - and they HAVE steered the course of mankind and history...there's no denying that little fact), putting non-Members down, worshipping anyone (let alone the Adversary), scratching backs, corruption (so what you're saying is that Freemason cops and judges are not more lenient on Freemason offenders?...I hope you're not stupid enough to deny that because I have first hand experience to the contrary) nor any of the things that people here seem to believe. (we believe it because we know it to be true...your denying it won't change the hours I've spent talking to Freemasons in my own home...gathering info and seeing for myself that the "rumors" are indeed true...they are TRAPPED in the system of Freemasonry because without it they don't enjoy certain protection or benefits and their lives would be more difficult...and perhaps the lives of their children...)

Mike




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