Trance music, and why it's not so good.

[cleft_asunder]

A couple days ago I was going to ask you guys if you liked trance music, and if you think there's any negative things about it. Well, today I've answered my own question after having had that long discussion about Tolle and meditation in general.

Trance music, literally, puts you in a trance. What kind of trance? An egoic trance. I go through phases of listening to vocal trance, and I do it when I'm very restless mentally. It's a release but only temporarily. It's like a drug --you'll need another dose eventually.

I'm not saying don't listen to trance music. My only point is that it is being used to lock people into the egoic state. In Europe it is heavily popular. Certainly it's got a healthier message than hip-hop here in the states, but there is often much drug use behind it such as ecstacy, and therefore I can only conclude that the powers may not only condone but encourage such a scene. It moves us in the opposite direction of meditation: Feeding the insatiable mind.

I wonder if they harvest energy from such massive trance festivals:
http://forum.gtu.ge/lofiversion/index.php/t326.html

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc61/silentghost4/Sensation_Black_2005_02.jpg

[logic bomb]

You're right about some of your conclusions Cleft though I wouldn't say Trance music is negative or Egoic as it can be used in many different ways. Having said that Trance music as it was promoted from the beginning in the UK and Europe was defo conceived in the form it was presented by TPTB/Tavistock/whoever just like it was before.. 20 years exactly as it happens.. yes who'd have thought that British Intelligence would flood the country with top quality Acid just as Acid House music was being pushed by MSM, even if it was in a reverse psychology way.. and all this in the same year as the giant psy-op that was the Harmonic Convergence. 1987.

Once I saw everyone who was dancing and luv'd up in a club and over the scene were these things floating above the crowd and they were controlling the crowd like string puppets and everyone in the crowd had these weird masks superimposed over there faces.. that was a long time ago and it could have been a dodgy bean but it sure felt real at the time.. and quite profound.

I still like Trance music a lot but you're right about the Harvesting IMO not only at the big events but at small clubs and outdoor forest raves around the country.

[cruise4]

What Logic said ^^^

[empyblessing]

Hip hop is great if you take the lyrics out.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQfalyqWL2g&feature=related

Edit: can someone link me some awesomness trance music as I'm not familiar with it?

[logic bomb]

can someone link me some awesomness trance music as I'm not familiar with it?

Infected Mushroom - Dracul - YouTube

1200 Micrograms - DMT - YouTube

Etnica - Trip Tonite (remix) - YouTube

LOGIC BOMB - YouTube

[empyblessing]

you guys like that beat?

[beldazar]

I used to do a lot of ecstasy and go to trance clubs, I absolutely loved it!!

Then I gave up drugs completely and got taken to one, it was the first time going when not on anything, including alcohol. What I felt there worried me immensely, nobody seemed 'loved up' everyone seemed in their own space, it wasnt pleasant at all.:eek:

I had a glimpse of that once before when I went to a club straight before going to the toilets to get stoned.

I have a couple of friends who have had the same experience.

I had a violent relationship for a couple of years and the problem came two days after a night on 'e,s' and clubbing. It was as if my ex was possessed. We were so lucky we didnt kill each other

[niftygifter]

I used to do a lot of ecstasy and go to trance clubs, I absolutely loved it!!

Then I gave up drugs completely and got taken to one, it was the first time going when not on anything, including alcohol. What I felt there worried me immensely, nobody seemed 'loved up' everyone seemed in their own space, it wasnt pleasant at all.:eek:

I had a glimpse of that once before when I went to a club straight before going to the toilets to get stoned.

I have a couple of friends who have had the same experience.

I had a violent relationship for a couple of years and the problem came two days after a night on 'e,s' and clubbing. It was as if my ex was possessed. We were so lucky we didnt kill each other

Beldazar,
Thats one scary story, glad to see you off that shit.

I really dont resonate with the Trance beats so never gone there although a very hard week in Ibiza took its toll with me a few years ago.

Good Good move;)


Nifty:cool:

[alrick888]

Interesting thread, several things I want to add....
I hadn't been to a dance party for years, just last Saturday went to one again.
It was a goa-trance party. Although the atmosphere was OK, the lovey-doveyness of it felt a bit constrained and artificial. There was a group of people for whom it was more genuine, would greet you with kisses etc.

On the other hand there was an undertone of agressiveness that affected me too. When I ordered a drink and the waitress had misunderstood what I wanted over all the noise and gave me the wrong drink, I felt myself getting disproportionately angry. Not my usual state of mind.

The dancing wasn't very cool, everyone dancing alone, some making very agressive moves. Girls making a point of ignoring everyone. At night back in my bed I had an image of a succubus or incubus on top of my body, dark shapes. I was trying to rationalize I'd had a great time but not really.

Then another thing:
I have said this before - try at least to get some logical consistency in your TPTB theories. If the TPTB would actively benefit from trance parties, why would they crack down on them if they are illegal? Something does not fit there.

[cruise4]

Do they still crack down on them? If not perhaps its because E's are 50p each as oppose to £20. It's the not getting a cut they cracked down on perhaps?

[ichi wa zen]

I agree. Trance is evil music. It sounds poorly produced and is a shame to the orginators from Detroit such as the legendary Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. When they created Techno they didnt knew there were going to be cheap rippoffs like DJ Tiesto and Paul van Dyke cashing in on their genius electronic music.

Trance brought shame upon all electronic music by sounding cheap. Trance should die and burn in hell. Trance is evil hippie drug abusing music. The only way to make Trance sound any good is by doing 15 pills and some GHB. Once again Trance stanks!

Long live Techno. Long live Detroit.

[clozaril]

i agree with alricks point why was the police so intent on cracking them down.
pushing forward the criminal justice bill etc. to outlaw illegal raves and to stifle new age travellers

i can see as logicbomb said that it could of been pushed in a problem-reaction-solution way to get the criminal justice bill in and to get everybody in clubs.

yet at the same time football hooliganism which was a massive problem in the late 80's almost stopped because of everyone getting loved up.

i'm more of a techno man myself

Joey Beltram - Forklift (1993) - YouTube

[clozaril]

@ cleft asunder here a vid you may enjoy

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=89&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=rave&hl=en&sitesearch=&dur=3

there is a good US docu about ecstasy talking about false experiments that 'proved' how dangerous e was

edit found it http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=rave+culture&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=ecstasy&hl=en&sitesearch=&dur=3


@ ichi wa zen totally agree

[mondo23]

My problem with Trance and especially Psytrance is; I find it incredibly boring to listen and dance to. It has the same basic structures and leaves no room for experimentation as far as I can tell.
Dubstep however is really at the cutting edge of where modern music is as far as production and experimentation go. It has infinite amount of influences and can take any type of music and turn it into a dubstep track and it works.
Personally I see the evolution of music as a good way of gauging how we are evolving. Dubstep is a very young form of music made by mostly young minds and it shows that the collective mind is evolving to be more and more creative with each generation.
Trance/Psytrance just isnt evolving minds in the way it promises to no matter how many faeries and mushrooms promoters put on their flyers.
Its all subjective though.

[ichi wa zen]

My problem with Trance and especially Psytrance is; I find it incredibly boring to listen and dance to. It has the same basic structures and leaves no room for experimentation as far as I can tell.
Dubstep however is really at the cutting edge of where modern music is as far as production and experimentation go. It has infinite amount of influences and can take any type of music and turn it into a dubstep track and it works.
Personally I see the evolution of music as a good way of gauging how we are evolving. Dubstep is a very young form of music made by mostly young minds and it shows that the collective mind is evolving to be more and more creative with each generation.
Trance/Psytrance just isnt evolving minds in the way it promises to no matter how many faeries and mushrooms promoters put on their flyers.
Its all subjective though.

Muwhahah dubstep? Im really sorry. That is yet another trendy genre that will die out in 2 years time. Just like Drum -n Bass - IDM - Rave - Minimal - 2step - Garage. In my book all these trendy new sounds add nothing to what already has been done.

Detroit was and always will be the best electronic music ever made. The best electronic music has already been created and it has only gotten worse since! Electronic music is at an all time low right now!

Every week when i go digging for records i notice how the piles of rubbish are getting bigger and bigger. Back in 1995 classics were being released every week by the likes of Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin and Drexciya to name just a few.

I want to cry. It is so SAD atm!

[rossus]

i think psytrance is just a heavy form of music with more stimulation than regular music,
but psytrance itself is not necessarily much different than other music.

he who likes or dislikes music,
is the same as he who likes or dislikes anything...
and that is the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person in meditation is not identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
therefor not really preferring one thing above the other;
and so not really interested (neither dis-interested) in music.


i think pleasurable experiences... wether it is drugs, music, good tasting food, sex...
they can be fun, but only for the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person who is into meditation must have realized that there are some downsides to being identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
otherwise he would not have gotten into meditation.

i guess it's just up to the individual to choose how often and how much he wants to keep identifying with the "i am body/mind"-idea.
it is not a bad thing to identify with the "i am this body/mind-idea" to some extent, otherwise the body would just sit there and die...
not moving, not working, not eating :)

[ichi wa zen]

i think psytrance is just a heavy form of music with more stimulation than regular music,
but psytrance itself is not necessarily much different than other music.

he who likes or dislikes music,
is the same as he who likes or dislikes anything...
and that is the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person in meditation is not identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
therefor not really preferring one thing above the other;
and so not really interested (neither dis-interested) in music.


i think pleasurable experiences... wether it is drugs, music, good tasting food, sex...
they can be fun, but only for the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person who is into meditation must have realized that there are some downsides to being identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
otherwise he would not have gotten into meditation.

i guess it's just up to the individual to choose how often and how much he wants to keep identifying with the "i am body/mind"-idea.
it is not a bad thing to identify with the "i am this body/mind-idea" to some extent, otherwise the body would just sit there and die...
not moving, not working, not eating :)

MMM Shitty Music exists. Or would you say Britney Spears is the greatest singer of all times. Stop blabbering about body and mind and come down to earth Rossus.

Here on earth SHITTY MUSIC EXISTS!

[mondo23]

Muwhahah dubstep? Im really sorry. That is yet another trendy genre that will die out in 2 years time. Just like Drum -n Bass - IDM - Rave - Minimal - 2step - Garage. In my book all these trendy new sounds add nothing to what already has been done.

Detroit was and always will be the best electronic music ever made. The best electronic music has already been created and it has only gotten worse since! Electronic music is at an all time low right now!

Every week when i go digging for records i notice how the piles of rubbish are getting bigger and bigger. Back in 1995 classics were being released every week by the likes of Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin and Drexciya to name just a few.

I want to cry. It is so SAD atm!


Trendy genre's that will die out in 2 years time? Drum and Bass a trendy genre? :confused: Maybe in Holland but in the UK and the rest of the world its a huge scene and is making alot of money. Believe me I know, its how I make my living. I'm a dnb DJ and producer so I pretty much have my finger on the pulse of what is going on with regards to electronic music.
You have just stated an opinion not a bold fact. Believe me, the best music is the most underground music and dubstep is the most underground music there is at the moment. I know the producers you mention above and have alot of their records and yes, they are classics but at the time they were underground. Maybe the big underground dubstep tunes today will be the classics of tomorrow?
Im not going to get into an argument about music as its totally ridiculous to argue about THE most subjective thing there is. There is no such thing as shit music. Its all good to someone.

[ichi wa zen]

Trendy genre's that will die out in 2 years time? Drum and Bass a trendy genre? :confused: Maybe in Holland but in the UK and the rest of the world its a huge scene and is making alot of money. Believe me I know, its how I make my living. I'm a dnb DJ and producer so I pretty much have my finger on the pulse of what is going on with regards to electronic music.
You have just stated an opinion not a bold fact. Believe me, the best music is the most underground music and dubstep is the most underground music there is at the moment. I know the producers you mention above and have alot of their records and yes, they are classics but at the time they were underground. Maybe the big underground dubstep tunes today will be the classics of tomorrow?
Im not going to get into an argument about music as its totally ridiculous to argue about THE most subjective thing there is. There is no such thing as shit music. Its all good to someone.

Yes it is all good to someone. It is in the ear of the beholder.

Still we can say there is shitty music out there. Just like most guys will fall for Angelina Jolie (universal beauty), we can also recognize good or a little less good music.

Dubstep records will never become the classics of tomorrow. Seriously you think a dubstep record will fetch 200 dollars like some Drexciya records in the future? IMPOSSIBLE!

Hear check some of these producers out there, true underground: Theo Parrish, Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, Drexciya. Moodymann, Larry Heard, Suburban Knight, Underground Resistance, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Athony Shakir, Omar-S, Robert Hood, Jeff Mills, Hieroglyphic Being, Lil Louis, Armando, Blake Baxter, Chez Damier, Dj pierre, Eddie Fowlkes, Keith Tucker, Kerri Chandler, Kevin Saunderson, Orlando Voorn, Ron Trent, Octave One, Rick Wade, Steve Poindexter, Legowelt, Hanna, Glenn Underground, Gene Hunt, Keith Tucker & Gemini

[mondo23]

Yes it is all good to someone. It is in the ear of the beholder.

Still we can say there is shitty music out there. Just like most guys will fall for Angelina Jolie (universal beauty), we can also recognize good or a little less good music.

Dubstep records will never become the classics of tomorrow. Seriously you think a dubstep record will fetch 200 dollars like some Drexciya records in the future? IMPOSSIBLE!

Hear check some of these producers out there, true underground: Theo Parrish, Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin, Drexciya. Moodymann, Larry Heard, Suburban Knight, Underground Resistance, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Athony Shakir, Omar-S, Robert Hood, Jeff Mills, Hieroglyphic Being, Lil Louis, Armando, Blake Baxter, Chez Damier, Dj pierre, Eddie Fowlkes, Keith Tucker, Kerri Chandler, Kevin Saunderson, Orlando Voorn, Ron Trent, Octave One, Rick Wade, Steve Poindexter, Legowelt, Hanna, Glenn Underground, Gene Hunt, Keith Tucker & Gemini

Uh yeah. There was a tune called Night by Benga that came out in January. The promos for it came out in October. Copies of the promos were going for £80+ on ebay. Benga's album is tipped for the Mercury music award as is Burial's album. Have you heard Burial's stuff? I can guarentee you would love it.
I know of alot of those producers you mention so youre kind of preaching to the converted. Ive been in the game for a looong time now. I have a few records here and there ;)

[ichi wa zen]

I know some Gabber BOING BOING 200 BPM records selling for more than 200 dollars! :P

Burial? Boring stuff, sounds too monotone and basically is just a poor loop with some samples pasted here and there, its not telling a story and at best can be used as a DJ tool. Productionwise its amateur at best.

Seriously. Being long in a industry says nothing. DJ Tiesto is in the scene for a long time.......still his taste is just as shitty as it has always been!

[alrick888]

My problem with Trance and especially Psytrance is; I find it incredibly boring to listen and dance to. It has the same basic structures and leaves no room for experimentation as far as I can tell.
Dubstep however is really at the cutting edge of where modern music is as far as production and experimentation go. It has infinite amount of influences and can take any type of music and turn it into a dubstep track and it works.
Personally I see the evolution of music as a good way of gauging how we are evolving. Dubstep is a very young form of music made by mostly young minds and it shows that the collective mind is evolving to be more and more creative with each generation.
Trance/Psytrance just isnt evolving minds in the way it promises to no matter how many faeries and mushrooms promoters put on their flyers.
Its all subjective though.

Could you give some examples of dubstep? Or if it isn't on Youtube yet, maybe you could describe what it sounds like.

[ichi wa zen]

Dubstep basically sounds like garage or 2step with a HUGE FILTER layed on top of it. In the distance you will hear some samples every now and then and thats it! Poor music created on a simple laptop. OWWW Why did we had to go digital. Long live Analogue music forever!

Heres some dubstep:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_MigURCQQA0

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAbMfg9_Uk

[rossus]

MMM Shitty Music exists. Or would you say Britney Spears is the greatest singer of all times. Stop blabbering about body and mind and come down to earth Rossus.

Here on earth SHITTY MUSIC EXISTS!
for one person psytrance is shitty music,
for another person it is good music.

i guess "good" or "bad" music is personal preference.



and no thank you, i will not stop blabbering (yet) :)

[micklemus]

Bugger it, I didn't know that Being a house/trance DJ made me a puppet of the NWO!! I shall repent.

Seriously though, I would agree that it does have a hypnotic effect and understand the point that's being made. Surely it's any individual's point of observation which is relevant though?

Electronic music, acoustic music, whatever; all of it has it own special qualities.

[dmt head]

Personally think most music with the word trance in it is pish, I like shpongle and stuff like that but I cant stand most trance, most of it sounds gay. Drum and Bass/jungle is the best imo followed by techno dont mind a wee bit of breakcore and gabba for a laugh. Dubsteps pish too, boring or what ! :rolleyes:

[phoebe]

Muwhahah dubstep? Im really sorry. That is yet another trendy genre that will die out in 2 years time. Just like Drum -n Bass - IDM - Rave - Minimal - 2step - Garage. In my book all these trendy new sounds add nothing to what already has been done.

Detroit was and always will be the best electronic music ever made. The best electronic music has already been created and it has only gotten worse since! Electronic music is at an all time low right now!

Every week when i go digging for records i notice how the piles of rubbish are getting bigger and bigger. Back in 1995 classics were being released every week by the likes of Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin and Drexciya to name just a few.

I want to cry. It is so SAD atm!

Drum n bass and rave are dead?
You should tell that to the thousands of people
who attend such raves each weekend...
Judging by the ones I've attended,
it's very far from dead.

[thirdwave]

A couple days ago I was going to ask you guys if you liked trance music, and if you think there's any negative things about it. Well, today I've answered my own question after having had that long discussion about Tolle and meditation in general.

Trance music, literally, puts you in a trance. What kind of trance? An egoic trance. I go through phases of listening to vocal trance, and I do it when I'm very restless mentally. It's a release but only temporarily. It's like a drug --you'll need another dose eventually.

I'm not saying don't listen to trance music. My only point is that it is being used to lock people into the egoic state. In Europe it is heavily popular. Certainly it's got a healthier message than hip-hop here in the states, but there is often much drug use behind it such as ecstacy, and therefore I can only conclude that the powers may not only condone but encourage such a scene. It moves us in the opposite direction of meditation: Feeding the insatiable mind.

I wonder if they harvest energy from such massive trance festivals:
http://forum.gtu.ge/lofiversion/index.php/t326.html

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc61/silentghost4/Sensation_Black_2005_02.jpg

whats wrong with being in a trance?

[farros]

to the OP, bullshit.... trance goes back to tribesmen banging on drums to alter there consciousness.. some probably took some kind of hallucinagenic plant and some probably never.. the taking of drugs is a mixed bag.

The reason why drugs are taken at these events is cos of the inner loseness and relaxation you get from pills/shrooms/lsd... all your tension dissolves and your dance moves are a lot more free and fluid. If your sober your more stiff and rigid, and dancing isnt as enjoyable.

Taking ecstasy is bad all round, you go round loving life and everyone.. then on the comedown start hating again and wish you were always so egoless. But taking mushrooms is more meaningful, giving you an incredible insight into your own dance movements, how you move (body mechanics) and where your energy comes from... I was turned onto trance after the glade festival www.gladefestival.com in Thatcham UK, what an experience, it was like an instant metamorphisis once i got into the rhythm of the music.. each stage is like a portal.. taking drugs to get wasted isnt good and you'll slowly turn into a loser after a while...but taking drugs for self understanding can be a beautifal and unforgetable thing. Depends on the substance and reasons why you take em.

THe reason you see all the buddhist/eastern imagery is cos of the higher consciousness you can achieve after dancing for hours on end, trance at its core is about experiencing that IMO, emptiness, being at one with your movements.

Dubstep sounds shite no matter how cutting edge it is lol.... i wouldnt enjoy dancing to that, but because its 'underground' youv gotta like it or else your not a cool cat, just like you have to grow dreadlocks and wear a poncho... lol

This isnt glade, but its just like it...

Tristan live @ Ozora Festival 2006 [9/13] - YouTube

[psych641]

Interactive guide to electronic music. Its like a crash course in all the anal sub-sub genres (up to early 2000's) with tons of samples;

http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

I used to listen to psy/goa-trance for hours on end, but it does nothing for me now whatsoever. Sterile and top-end.

The few events i went to were underground squat/raves (nothing like the pictures above), the feeling of being outside babylon and amongst something real was immense.

[psych641]

to the OP, bullshit.... trance goes back to tribesmen banging on drums to alter there consciousness.. some probably took some kind of hallucinagenic plant and some probably never.. the taking of drugs is a mixed bag.

The reason why drugs are taken at these events is cos of the inner loseness and relaxation you get from pills/shrooms/lsd... all your tension dissolves and your dance moves are a lot more free and fluid. If your sober your more stiff and rigid, and dancing isnt as enjoyable.

Taking ecstasy is bad all round, you go round loving life and everyone.. then on the comedown start hating again and wish you were always so egoless. But taking mushrooms is more meaningful, giving you an incredible insight into your own dance movements, how you move (body mechanics) and where your energy comes from... I was turned onto trance after the glade festival www.gladefestival.com in Thatcham UK, what an experience, it was like an instant metamorphisis once i got into the rhythm of the music.. each stage is like a portal.. taking drugs to get wasted isnt good and you'll slowly turn into a loser after a while...but taking drugs for self understanding can be a beautifal and unforgetable thing. Depends on the substance and reasons why you take em.

THe reason you see all the buddhist/eastern imagery is cos of the higher consciousness you can achieve after dancing for hours on end, trance at its core is about experiencing that IMO, emptiness, being at one with your movements.


I think if some malevolent entity tried harvesting energy, when a group of people are on mushrooms, someone would know about it pretty quickly! :D

IMO an alcohol-fuelled rock concert would be a more obvious choice (after war etc) but in truth dark forces are operating almost everywhere in modern society, so singling out and pointing at any particular type of gathering would be of limited value (And its often a darkness that points the finger). If anything, the raised awareness at events like you describe is closer to being released from that sort of everyday negativity. :)

[ovey]

Trance will always be there! Drum and Bass will always be there and so will dubstep.

heres some good dubstep

www.myspace.com/nerodubstep

heres some amazing DnB

www.myspace.com/spor


heres some amazing hard trance

www.myspace.com/technikalmusic

[rossus]

whats wrong with being in a trance?
i suppose there is many kinds of "trances" a person can be in...
a state of hypnosis where one is totally unconscious, probably counts as "trance" also.


but psytrance induced trance, i think, is a bit comparable with the effect of drugs.
it puts a person temporarily in a sort of meditation, where there is blissfull happiness... and not really much thoughts.

the problem with it,
is that the bliss/happiness induced by the drugs or trance,
lasts only as long as long as there is the high of the drug or trance by the music.

people who have learned a different form of meditation (such as in my signature)
are not dependent on drugs or trances to help make them feel "blissfully happy".



almost all psytrance people i have met,
suffer from the same problems as most people.

even after years of mindexpanding music and drugs,
they are slave of their own mind... rather than master of it;
and their only way of coping with that problem is by the continous pursuit of pleasure. (through drugs, music, entertainment, etc.)

because... they have never really gotten to know themselves,
and so lack the self-knowledge (or self-empowerment)
that is necessary in order to stop fooling themselves by the imaginations of their own minds.




so is their something "wrong" with trance or drugs?
not really... they might just not be all that.

how much someone wants to indulge in them or abstain from them...
is perhaps a matter of personal preference... or something.

but for every action there is a reaction. ;)

[cycles of time]

Lmfao

[truthseeker1980]

What are you lot basing your conclusions on?

Raving contributed to my awakening and I know over 10 people who are the same, what most you lot were saying at the start of this thread is absolute rubbish, (sorry originally going to post this hours ago been ina meeting) the illuminati have nothing to do with the rave scene, maybe creamfields and ministry of sound but i dont consider them as real raves, just massive commercial clubs really.

To be honest I was never that into trance as it is the most boring and repetitve out of all the electronic dance genre's but to say that tptb are feeding from raves is bollocks. They dont know most are going on, as the advertising of raves is through flyers handed out after other raves, there's no other adverts for them.

We had a similar discussion a few weeks ago, going raving awakened me, as the atmosphere can be soaked up as soon as you enter an arena, a feeling of belonging and being one is constant even without drugs, the lyrics most dance tunes use are speaking against TPTB, power to the people is a common hook line. PLUR is a big part of the sceen too, which stands for PEACE, LOVE, UNITY and RESPECT.

I'd imagine maybe they would feed off the commercial events such as ministry, gatecrasher or creamfields but any other event is strictly underground.

[farros]

i suppose there is many kinds of "trances" a person can be in...
a state of hypnosis where one is totally unconscious, probably counts as "trance" also.


but psytrance induced trance, i think, is a bit comparable with the effect of drugs.
it puts a person temporarily in a sort of meditation, where there is blissfull happiness... and not really much thoughts.

the problem with it,
is that the bliss/happiness induced by the drugs or trance,
lasts only as long as long as there is the high of the drug or trance by the music.

people who have learned a different form of meditation (such as in my signature)
are not dependent on drugs or trances to help make them feel "blissfully happy".



almost all psytrance people i have met,
suffer from the same problems as most people.

even after years of mindexpanding music and drugs,
they are slave of their own mind... rather than master of it;
and their only way of coping with that problem is by the continous pursuit of pleasure. (through drugs, music, entertainment, etc.)

because... they have never really gotten to know themselves,
and so lack the self-knowledge (or self-empowerment)
that is necessary in order to stop fooling themselves by the imaginations of their own minds.




so is their something "wrong" with trance or drugs?
not really... they might just not be all that.

how much someone wants to indulge in them or abstain from them...
is perhaps a matter of personal preference... or something.

but for every action there is a reaction. ;)


Agree 100%, though it doesnt stop the physiological effects of certain drugs helping you dance better, i think thats why people take them.. to be loose, limber and more creative with there movement.

[21_12_2012]

It depends what type of trance you listen to i suppose.

Like all forms of music, the tracks are made in either predominantly 'major'
keys or 'minor' keys, sometimes a balance, but a lot of modern trance is made
in minor key, especially Psy/Goa trance.

As all sound is vibration, it affects moods and our brain/mind, and 'minor key'
tracks tend to make people feel either a bit dismal, spaced out etc, but not
all minor key tunes are like that, for example hardcore/happy hardcore tunes
can get away with minor keys and not make you feel spacey/gloomy.

Euphoric trance (more clubby-type) is very uplifting, especially some of the
older tracks (1994-2000 era), although still nowadays the odd 'uplifting killer'
will appear on the scene, but i do agree that a lot of it nowadays can make you feel quite dismal.

I suppose some people can handle the 'gloom factor' more than others.

I make music myself, all kinds of trancey-type stuff, so I'm used to sitting
there for hours hearing the same track over and over, hundreds of times
some days, for like 10 hours a day sometimes, but it definately spaces me
out.

In fact the main music i listen to is trance (uplifting stuff), with a bit
of Psy trance thrown in now and again for a good space-out, and uplifting
funky house, and bouncey house. I think variety plays a big part in
getting 'stuck in the gloom' rut of trance music.

Here are a few of my favourite 'old skool' trancey/euphoric tracks from the
90's.

Good Time
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Binary Finary
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2332213874656245282&q=binary+finary&ei=IhtASMfDE5LqiQLHwOilCQ

Cafe Del Mar
Energy 52 - Café del Mar (Three 'N One Remix) - YouTube

Nocturnal
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[micklemus]

It depends what type of trance you listen to i suppose.

Like all forms of music, the tracks are made in either predominantly 'major'
keys or 'minor' keys, sometimes a balance, but a lot of modern trance is made
in minor key, especially Psy/Goa trance.

As all sound is vibration, it affects moods and our brain/mind, and 'minor key'
tracks tend to make people feel either a bit dismal, spaced out etc, but not
all minor key tunes are like that, for example hardcore/happy hardcore tunes
can get away with minor keys and not make you feel spacey/gloomy.

Euphoric trance (more clubby-type) is very uplifting, especially some of the
older tracks (1994-2000 era), although still nowadays the odd 'uplifting killer'
will appear on the scene, but i do agree that a lot of it nowadays can make you feel quite dismal.

I suppose some people can handle the 'gloom factor' more than others.

I make music myself, all kinds of trancey-type stuff, so I'm used to sitting
there for hours hearing the same track over and over, hundreds of times
some days, for like 10 hours a day sometimes, but it definately spaces me
out.

In fact the main music i listen to is trance (uplifting stuff), with a bit
of Psy trance thrown in now and again for a good space-out, and uplifting
funky house, and bouncey house. I think variety plays a big part in
getting 'stuck in the gloom' rut of trance music.

Here are a few of my favourite 'old skool' trancey/euphoric tracks from the
90's.

Good Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO7DKYXmuGc

Binary Finary
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2332213874656245282&q=binary+finary&ei=IhtASMfDE5LqiQLHwOilCQ

Cafe Del Mar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUt-Gn80hD0

Nocturnal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaDjWAOf-sY



Cafe Del Mar and Binary Finary - all time classics! Anjunabeats are still turning out some great stuff. Two of my favs from last year Twisted by Activa and Conscious Awareness (can't remember who that was by right now and I don't have my tunes beside me). One of my favourite mixes - Oakenfold, CD3 on Essential Millennium.

On the whole though I would have to say that trance is nowhere near as special as it once was.

Anyhoo, I'll shut up on this particular subject.

[21_12_2012]

Gotta say though, the trance/rave/club scene has fuck-all to do with the
NWO / feeding off our energy etc.

In fact quite the opposite in my opinion. As one poster said, it's more likely
happening at drunken rock-fests than at uplifting 'raves'

Even nowadays you get the odd good pills flying about, and so what if there's
a downer, i prefer that to a beer hangover ( i dont drink..never have much)
but been having pills since 1990 on-and-off, no long term effects at all, but
that's just me :)

I'd be more inclined to believe that the NWO / demons or whatever
would want to be feeding off low-down negative energies
(beer/satanic rock lyrical groups etc) rather than uplifted ravers
buzzing on MDMA.

[21_12_2012]

Cleft Asunder.....

I used to live in the USA for a while, and i found the 'scene' there quite
shit actually, less diverse than here, maybe if you had experienced a few
'raves' here in the UK you'd feel differently about the scene in general, even
though it has gone downhill here last few years, the music still kicks, in all
forms.

[cleft_asunder]

I used to do a lot of ecstasy and go to trance clubs, I absolutely loved it!!

Then I gave up drugs completely and got taken to one, it was the first time going when not on anything, including alcohol. What I felt there worried me immensely, nobody seemed 'loved up' everyone seemed in their own space, it wasnt pleasant at all.:eek:

I had a glimpse of that once before when I went to a club straight before going to the toilets to get stoned.

I have a couple of friends who have had the same experience.

I had a violent relationship for a couple of years and the problem came two days after a night on 'e,s' and clubbing. It was as if my ex was possessed. We were so lucky we didnt kill each other

I'm not disagreeing with Logic Bomb, but what you describe is what I'm talking about. Superficuially, it seems like it's a big love fest. In vocal trance, you will often hear lyrics regarding heaven and onenes and love, but below the surface the people are in their own egoic zones.

[cleft_asunder]

Interesting thread, several things I want to add....
I hadn't been to a dance party for years, just last Saturday went to one again.
It was a goa-trance party. Although the atmosphere was OK, the lovey-doveyness of it felt a bit constrained and artificial. There was a group of people for whom it was more genuine, would greet you with kisses etc.

On the other hand there was an undertone of agressiveness that affected me too. When I ordered a drink and the waitress had misunderstood what I wanted over all the noise and gave me the wrong drink, I felt myself getting disproportionately angry. Not my usual state of mind.

The dancing wasn't very cool, everyone dancing alone, some making very agressive moves. Girls making a point of ignoring everyone. At night back in my bed I had an image of a succubus or incubus on top of my body, dark shapes. I was trying to rationalize I'd had a great time but not really.

Then another thing:
I have said this before - try at least to get some logical consistency in your TPTB theories. If the TPTB would actively benefit from trance parties, why would they crack down on them if they are illegal? Something does not fit there.

I was going to bring down the Swat team crack down a few years ago, but I forgot. I don't know what to tell you about that. But even though I can't explain it, I still think the evidence is in favor of trance music being only superficially good.

And also about the succubus, I've had similar experiences. Yeah, they manipulate your dreams and feed off you.

Your experience at that club was really interesting! It's interesting how the girls set themselves apart. What bollocks!

[supertzar]

It's not my favorite electronic music, especially commercial-sounding Trance. I like some of the harder sounding Trance, though. I would bet there are generally more subliminals/mind technology in Trance than other musics. A lot of Psy-Trance is from Israel, I heard, and that does not sit well with me.

[cleft_asunder]

i agree with alricks point why was the police so intent on cracking them down.
pushing forward the criminal justice bill etc. to outlaw illegal raves and to stifle new age travellers

i can see as logicbomb said that it could of been pushed in a problem-reaction-solution way to get the criminal justice bill in and to get everybody in clubs.

yet at the same time football hooliganism which was a massive problem in the late 80's almost stopped because of everyone getting loved up.

i'm more of a techno man myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yuMKPkBMUQ

Wait a second, that only happend in the US. In the US, hiphop is being used to manipulate the population. I know that for a fact. I mean if I have to pick between the two, I would say trance is more intelligent --the lyrics, for example, aren't always about booty. :rolleyes:

So perhaps it's as simple as the powers not wanting trance to interfere with hiphop. I don't know, that's all I got right now.

[cleft_asunder]

i think psytrance is just a heavy form of music with more stimulation than regular music,
but psytrance itself is not necessarily much different than other music.

he who likes or dislikes music,
is the same as he who likes or dislikes anything...
and that is the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person in meditation is not identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
therefor not really preferring one thing above the other;
and so not really interested (neither dis-interested) in music.


i think pleasurable experiences... wether it is drugs, music, good tasting food, sex...
they can be fun, but only for the person identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea.

the person who is into meditation must have realized that there are some downsides to being identified with the "i am this body/mind"-idea,
otherwise he would not have gotten into meditation.

i guess it's just up to the individual to choose how often and how much he wants to keep identifying with the "i am body/mind"-idea.
it is not a bad thing to identify with the "i am this body/mind-idea" to some extent, otherwise the body would just sit there and die...
not moving, not working, not eating :)

Yes to some extent, but beyond that extent we have Trance fans.

[mondo23]

Dubstep basically sounds like garage or 2step with a HUGE FILTER layed on top of it. In the distance you will hear some samples every now and then and thats it! Poor music created on a simple laptop. OWWW Why did we had to go digital. Long live Analogue music forever!

Heres some dubstep:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_MigURCQQA0

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAbMfg9_Uk

Woah there fella. First you criticize Burial for being badly produced and not telling a story (i massively disagree but again its all subjective, if it aint your bag then it aint your bag, no biggy), then you say that all this music is done on laptops. Yes it is. Thats standard these days but it doesnt make the music sound any worse than it did when everyone was using analogue. Things have moved on for the better. You dont need banks of racks taking up room and a mass of cables to spend a whole day unraveling anymore.
My point is though: Burial makes all his music using an Akia S1000 and and ST running an old version of Cubase, just like your techno heroes used to do. Sounds like youre a little bitter about how things have evolved. But like I said, if it aint your bag then thats fine. However, maybe you should give some of it a chance instead of wishing we still lived in 1994. Just a thought.

[mondo23]

Trance will always be there! Drum and Bass will always be there and so will dubstep.

heres some good dubstep

www.myspace.com/nerodubstep

heres some amazing DnB

www.myspace.com/spor


heres some amazing hard trance

www.myspace.com/technikalmusic


Spor is amazing. I played on the same bill as him last night. He's a film editor apparently and that comes through in his music. His edits are manic.

Dubstep sounds boring to most people when they first hear it. I hated it the first time I got a listen. Then I went to a dubstep night where they had one of the bassiest systems Ive ever heard. It was rib rattling the subs were so low. Dubstep is a physical listening experience and gets right inside you when you get it.

[adramelech]

Frankly, I don't see how you could not be wary of a subculture and a genre of music built on inducing blissfully unaware, quasi-meditative states in a large social setting. Taking advantage of drug use, physical exhaustion, dehydration, heat, flashing lights and binaural beats to induce trance and manipulate the brain and behaviour, you honestly couldn't come up with a more cliche setting for subversive mind control or subliminal suggestion.

However, I don't think it's right to classify any music as being purely "evil" or as a tool of manipulation. It may be used as such, but music itself is a neutral art. I don't think it should ever be generalized or demonized.

As far as electronic music goes, I tend to lean towards the power electronics/noise/industrial side of things.

[cleft_asunder]

i suppose there is many kinds of "trances" a person can be in...
a state of hypnosis where one is totally unconscious, probably counts as "trance" also.


but psytrance induced trance, i think, is a bit comparable with the effect of drugs.
it puts a person temporarily in a sort of meditation, where there is blissfull happiness... and not really much thoughts.

the problem with it,
is that the bliss/happiness induced by the drugs or trance,
lasts only as long as long as there is the high of the drug or trance by the music.

people who have learned a different form of meditation (such as in my signature)
are not dependent on drugs or trances to help make them feel "blissfully happy".



almost all psytrance people i have met,
suffer from the same problems as most people.

even after years of mindexpanding music and drugs,
they are slave of their own mind... rather than master of it;
and their only way of coping with that problem is by the continous pursuit of pleasure. (through drugs, music, entertainment, etc.)

because... they have never really gotten to know themselves,
and so lack the self-knowledge (or self-empowerment)
that is necessary in order to stop fooling themselves by the imaginations of their own minds.




so is their something "wrong" with trance or drugs?
not really... they might just not be all that.

how much someone wants to indulge in them or abstain from them...
is perhaps a matter of personal preference... or something.

but for every action there is a reaction. ;)

I couldn't have said it better. That's actually my point.

[cleft_asunder]

What are you lot basing your conclusions on?

Raving contributed to my awakening and I know over 10 people who are the same, what most you lot were saying at the start of this thread is absolute rubbish, (sorry originally going to post this hours ago been ina meeting) the illuminati have nothing to do with the rave scene, maybe creamfields and ministry of sound but i dont consider them as real raves, just massive commercial clubs really.

To be honest I was never that into trance as it is the most boring and repetitve out of all the electronic dance genre's but to say that tptb are feeding from raves is bollocks. They dont know most are going on, as the advertising of raves is through flyers handed out after other raves, there's no other adverts for them.

We had a similar discussion a few weeks ago, going raving awakened me, as the atmosphere can be soaked up as soon as you enter an arena, a feeling of belonging and being one is constant even without drugs, the lyrics most dance tunes use are speaking against TPTB, power to the people is a common hook line. PLUR is a big part of the sceen too, which stands for PEACE, LOVE, UNITY and RESPECT.

I'd imagine maybe they would feed off the commercial events such as ministry, gatecrasher or creamfields but any other event is strictly underground.

Peace, love, unity and respect. Reminds me of Marijuana, which they suppress the population with.

I never said they set the whole thing up. I said they condone it or are even encouraging it.

[amar7]

I love many musicians from many different music general..
I'd say nearly every music can be productive and destructive aswell, depends on how you handle it (except classical music maybe)

One of the best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htsi0o61vhk
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
ATB - Long Way Home - YouTube

and this is timeless, love it HUMANITY- ATB - YouTube

Trance for the soul ATB with Heather Nova - Renegade - YouTube

[mondo23]

Not sure if anyone has posted this before but anyway:

Icke and bass

Artificial Intelligence - Bloodlines - YouTube

Ive heard a couple of dubstep tunes by a producer who has sampled Alex Jones and Robert Anton Wilson but cant find them on the net anywhere.

[ichi wa zen]

Mondo. The best producers atm are definitely not to be found in the dubstep scene. Maybe you dont know what a good production should sound like. BTW the producers i listen to dont use software only, on the contrary its all analogue baby. To quote one of my favorite producers right now, Omar S: "Computers cannot get dirty like that boy".

Listen with your ears.

Moodymann - I'd Rather Be Lonely

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HxpUPVgDKxY

Juju & Jordash - Time Slip

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i1I30XqXCfE

Omar S - Psychotic Photosynthesis

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WhucgXMBKco

WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THE FACT THAT TRANCE IS THE SHITTIEST ELECTRONIC MUSIC OF THEM ALL!

[clozaril]

i'd have to disagree here ichi
burial over omar s production wise

and omar is not analogue

AOS: That shit is not easy either. For me, I mean, I just don’t like it, you know what I’m sayin’? Fruity Loops, I had that shit before just to fuck around with it, but you know.

ISM: Which hardware do you actually use?

AOS: (Roland) MC-909, shit like that.

[mondo23]

Mondo. The best producers atm are definitely not to be found in the dubstep scene. Maybe you dont know what a good production should sound like. BTW the producers i listen to dont use software only, on the contrary its all analogue baby. To quote one of my favorite producers right now, Omar S: "Computers cannot get dirty like that boy".

Listen with your ears.

Moodymann - I'd Rather Be Lonely

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HxpUPVgDKxY

Juju & Jordash - Time Slip

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i1I30XqXCfE

Omar S - Psychotic Photosynthesis

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WhucgXMBKco

WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THE FACT THAT TRANCE IS THE SHITTIEST ELECTRONIC MUSIC OF THEM ALL!

I didnt say that I thought the best producers were in dubstep atm. Ive never thought that. There are great producers and shit producers in all forms of electronic music. I was talking about dubstep being the newest genre around and it being the most experimental.
Personally I dont like 4 to the floor in any way. It bores me, so that stuff above I just cant get into. Its funny though as the Juju and Jordash one above. Am I right in thinking that is Juju from San Fran? If so, I hope you realise he's primarily a dubstep producer and has come out of the DnB scene. I'm pretty sure its the same guy.
And.....please dont patronise me. I know good production when I hear it and I know good production when I make it. The stuff you posted above isnt all that great in my opinion. Its boring.
Have you heard the likes of Vex'd or Goth Trad?

Vex'd:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

vex'd-killing floor - YouTube


Goth Trad:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Juju:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[frankanne]

Just listening now to Technikal, Mass Effect Iridium Remix. Absoblooming wonderful! Thank you for this amazing trance music. I love it. Put's me in mind of my youth back in 1970 when I was 18 and experienced freedom in Bendorm and Ibiza. Those were the days, lol!

The roots of rave and trance.

[frankanne]

Frankly, I don't see how you could not be wary of a subculture and a genre of music built on inducing blissfully unaware, quasi-meditative states in a large social setting. Taking advantage of drug use, physical exhaustion, dehydration, heat, flashing lights and binaural beats to induce trance and manipulate the brain and behaviour, you honestly couldn't come up with a more cliche setting for subversive mind control or subliminal suggestion.

However, I don't think it's right to classify any music as being purely "evil" or as a tool of manipulation. It may be used as such, but music itself is a neutral art. I don't think it should ever be generalized or demonized.

As far as electronic music goes, I tend to lean towards the power electronics/noise/industrial side of things.

adramelech, you make a very good argument to be wary of such blissful experiences. All I can say is that such experiences helped me be the person I am today, and for that I am grateful.

Without that experience I'm not sure I would be who I am, and I'm very glad I am who I am. Those experiences have given me the courage to challenge mundane 'common sense' and to just KNOW there's something more than this 'down to earth, common sense' life of our's right now.

I feel I've been lifted by the experience, and you are right, we could all be 'lifted' in a way that diverts. I'm not disputing that, but without that uplifting experience, can we ever understand the enormity and ecstacy of another level, another plane, another vibration?

Because, to be honest, after years and years of this 'down to earth, common sense, pragmatic' existence, it feels it is just an existence and not worth fighting for. But oh, that feeling of being lifted and risen and love and compassion and JOY of just being and being WITH OTHERS who feel the same. It really is mind expanding, heart expanding, life expanding, and I believe it is a necessary route that we have to pass through to get to the higher level.

That's my opinion and FEELING about it. So yes, maybe the powers that be have tried to hijack the whole music scene, but that's all they have done. Hijack it. It was true spirit that created it.

[stu30473]

hmm- trance music is the best music out there of all the truthers and people i know on facebook, myspace and other forums, the majority of people love the tranquility of trance, the happy uplifting feel of a music build up. This has actually been borught up, I think the awakened somehow tune in to the waves of trance rather than some music that makes you want to shoot people or kill yourself.
My favourite intake of trance comes from aboveandbeyond.nu every friday they have a session on the radio/internet with all the worlds best dj's contributing to over 220+ shows.
You can find them on piratebay as a torrent.

[micklemus]

I'll second that fella. I said earlier that I love Anjunabeats and Above & Beyond are the guys behind that label. If you ever get down London way you should also try a Planet Angel night.

[h2pogo]

I love some trance music.It helps me let my ego go.
The authorities love cheesy trance played at corporate festivals where the drugs are shit.It lures the masses into a false sense that every thing is ok.
but this is what happens when you want to listen to pure unadalterated trance for free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrtK-PmzLdo&NR=1

music is music.there is good trance and bad trance,
there is negative hip hop and posotive hiphop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jzos-DtbF4

dance is my meditation.

[3stepsahead]

Creative music is good music but even that can be defiled with shit negativity

Nothing beats real music. making a tune on your computer just isnt the same.
Classical and folk brings my mood where it should be but a really good performer can do just the same no matter what genre.

I recommend everyone buying a noob guitar package and start enjoying themselves. or just send me 12£ just cause im a good boy.

[oceanwave]

I'm very restless mentally. It's a release but only temporarily. It's like a drug --you'll need another dose eventually.

if that's the case...

...then let it (ego) talk itself to death

and you'll never need another dose

...transcendental, or otherwise...

:)

[astro zombie]

My sig:

"Dance is active meditation; when we dance we go beyond thought, beyond mind, and beyond our own individuality. To become one within the divine ecstasy of union with the cosmic spirit. This is the essence of the trance-dance experiance." ~ Goa Gil

check out 'liquid crystal vision' to get a better understanding:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6365996398406388722

[astro zombie]

The problem with psytrance festivals is people get too fucked up at these things more often than not. It's okay to take psychadelics at these events as it will greatly enhance the experiance you just have to be careful.

I have never experianced anything more unifying in my entire life than when i went to see Shpongle live last year and dosed LSD for the first time. Nobody will understand where i'm coming from unless they've experianced it for themselfs.

[logic bomb]

I have never experianced anything more unifying in my entire life than when i went to see Shpongle live last year

Shpongle are off the scale. Been a huge fan since the start and even got to hang out with Raja Ram after a gig once. Now there is one cool dude :)

[shottie]

My problem with Trance and especially Psytrance is; I find it incredibly boring to listen and dance to. It has the same basic structures and leaves no room for experimentation as far as I can tell.
Dubstep however is really at the cutting edge of where modern music is as far as production and experimentation go. It has infinite amount of influences and can take any type of music and turn it into a dubstep track and it works.
Personally I see the evolution of music as a good way of gauging how we are evolving. Dubstep is a very young form of music made by mostly young minds and it shows that the collective mind is evolving to be more and more creative with each generation.
Trance/Psytrance just isnt evolving minds in the way it promises to no matter how many faeries and mushrooms promoters put on their flyers.
Its all subjective though.

I agree, on the other hand bassline 4x4 is up and coming kinda strong, all the kids are listening to it etc.

Personally dont really trust any form of modern music.
Fast paced beats speed up your heart rate!

[cleft_asunder]

Shpongle are off the scale. Been a huge fan since the start and even got to hang out with Raja Ram after a gig once. Now there is one cool dude :)

I don't know man, I really don't like their new CD. And frankly, the one before it... is just descent when not on mushrooms or LSD. Overrated IMO. But different strokes.

[alrick888]

Thanks for the LiquidCrystalVison docu! I think Shpongle are the greatest, along with a host of others.

Some good news: Astrix is performing this summer on DanceValley, one of the biggest dance festivals in Holland, check out the amazing website at: http://www.dancevalley.nl/.

Then I personally would love to see Infected Mushroom, I think they are very exciting and they currently have a competition going where you can demand that they come to your city on their 2008 World Tour at: http://eventful.com/performers/P0-001-000009560-9/competition

[ant777uk]

Think of 2 of the biggest trance brands:

Godskitchen (energy created that lower astral entities can feed off)

Slinky (Slinkies go down the stairs - winding stairs are freemasonic symbolism for DNA)

However I personally love electronic music. Great stuff. Best to keep off the exctacy however

[dmt head]

Not sure if anyone has posted this before but anyway:

Icke and bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FyUnWEcrSs

Ive heard a couple of dubstep tunes by a producer who has sampled Alex Jones and Robert Anton Wilson but cant find them on the net anywhere.

Got this on vinyl cool find didnt realise it had a vid cool video. And whats the new shpongle album called anyone?? Gotta shoot im off to a groovy icke meet ! :D

[logic bomb]

And whats the new shpongle album called anyone??

Its 3 years old now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Lasts...But_Nothing_Is_Lost

[blueyak]

Commercial trace/club/rave/ disturbs me just some thing not rite about it .Good electronic music should be like good folk music ie made with cheap or free instruments by your peer group.That's what was cracked down on in the late 80's early 90's then marketed as the "club/dance scene" . Here is a link to BuzzMachine one the the most powerful music making tools ever and it's totally free and will run on ten year old windows 98 computer or laptop.It also works perfectly on linux with wine.It is even used by all the biggest name is the commercial music business to create "new sounds" that commercial software can't . Every thing u need to turn your thoughts in to cd's mp3 .

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[cleft_asunder]

I agree. Trance is evil music. It sounds poorly produced and is a shame to the orginators from Detroit such as the legendary Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. When they created Techno they didnt knew there were going to be cheap rippoffs like DJ Tiesto and Paul van Dyke cashing in on their genius electronic music.

Trance brought shame upon all electronic music by sounding cheap. Trance should die and burn in hell. Trance is evil hippie drug abusing music. The only way to make Trance sound any good is by doing 15 pills and some GHB. Once again Trance stanks!

Long live Techno. Long live Detroit.

Derrick May is tight! Wow, he actually does stuff unlike Tiesto who presses or turns one knob every minute.

[blueyak]

Derrick May is tight! Wow, he actually does stuff unlike Tiesto who presses or turns one knob every minute.
You cant beat a bit of System7 Steve Hillage is the man

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gvb4pvTxfQY&feature=related
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QB53ukI8pqA&feature=related

[the itinerant shrubber]

Wasnt all this said about Elvis Presley and rock n roll 50 years ago?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Howdy!

I've been a 'Classical Guitarist' for more than 45 years.

I like a little Trance, and Goa-Psy-Trance

1/2 hour on the internet radio every coupla weeks

I puff a little Martian Tobaccy, pay myself 5 dollars for a bottle of water, and put on some 'funny' coloured and moving lights.

It's Grand! :D

I think it started here in 1977; the machines got 'soul'



TD


Stratosfear - YouTube


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[adramelech]

You know one well-known techno song I really like is "The Prophet" by CJ Bolland. The samples are well used and the hook is just infectious.

I usually don't go for the mainstream stuff, but I love that track.

[clozaril]

Derrick May is tight! Wow, he actually does stuff unlike Tiesto who presses or turns one knob every minute.

check mills out he can't keep still

Jeff Mills @ Wire02 Pt.1 - YouTube

[astro zombie]

Oh yeah i forgot to mention Shpongle IS releasing a 4th album in the near future. Can't wait!

[dmt head]

Its 3 years old now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Lasts...But_Nothing_Is_Lost

Cheers mate I think I might have that not sure though, and I thought they were releasing one round about now glad to hear thats the case astro zombie.

And love jeff mills too hes always usually pish when at festivals tho for some reason??:confused: And for the record drum and bass is far superior to techno OK! Its just more I dunno free'r or something you cant move the way you do with drum and bass or jungle to anything else is just a superior form of dance music its just a basic FACT!!!!:D

[mikeproteau]

trance sux ballz, listen to dubstep or dnb if u like fast music

[mikeproteau]

Dubstep basically sounds like garage or 2step with a HUGE FILTER layed on top of it. In the distance you will hear some samples every now and then and thats it! Poor music created on a simple laptop. OWWW Why did we had to go digital. Long live Analogue music forever!

Heres some dubstep:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_MigURCQQA0

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAbMfg9_Uk

that is some shitty examples, go to youtube and listen to some caspa & rusko, skream, benga

[3stepsahead]

Yes snoops machines got soul and then the music from a machine is quite spellbinding even if a guy IS turning the knobs, something i REALLY recommend to everyone.

just look at the 303 its really magic and its really just a macro "pattern synth"
so i guess the trance word is heavily coming from the feeling people get from the tunes but as long as it is not anything subliminal i dont think its bad.
i just call it all electronic or machine music. all music can and will take you into a state of trance.
303:
TB-303 & TR-606 - YouTube

some old crap:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[blueyak]

Yes snoops machines got soul and then the music from a machine is quite spellbinding even if a guy IS turning the knobs, something i REALLY recommend to everyone.

just look at the 303 its really magic and its really just a macro "pattern synth"
so i guess the trance word is heavily coming from the feeling people get from the tunes but as long as it is not anything subliminal i dont think its bad.
i just call it all electronic or machine music. all music can and will take you into a state of trance.
303:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsOeNnWQ8LM
some old crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBWRR3rHIsA

You should check out the guy using Buzzmachine
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI7oCiWrXA
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=37d_0m...uzzonvideo.php
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjuoA5STLw&feature=related

[gremlin]

I used to do a lot of ecstasy and go to trance clubs, I absolutely loved it!!

Then I gave up drugs completely and got taken to one, it was the first time going when not on anything, including alcohol. What I felt there worried me immensely, nobody seemed 'loved up' everyone seemed in their own space, it wasnt pleasant at all.:eek:

I had a glimpse of that once before when I went to a club straight before going to the toilets to get stoned.

I have a couple of friends who have had the same experience.

I had a violent relationship for a couple of years and the problem came two days after a night on 'e,s' and clubbing. It was as if my ex was possessed. We were so lucky we didnt kill each other

its because the people making the music dont care for drugs only care about the fame. who can afford to do trance and use all the gadgets, look at who writes trance. its great when you look them up in wiki:D

[jvx19]

I used to do a lot of ecstasy and go to trance clubs, I absolutely loved it!!

Then I gave up drugs completely and got taken to one, it was the first time going when not on anything, including alcohol. What I felt there worried me immensely, nobody seemed 'loved up' everyone seemed in their own space, it wasnt pleasant at all.:eek:



I have the same experience, it was a disgusting site. I still love the music though. I listen to house music a lot more now, much more uplifting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIExZvqX4j4