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tinmenace

12-04-2007, 04:20 PM

Thanks for that link. Does that mean his books were origionally published by a vanity press?

If I remember correctly, David couldn't get anyone to publish his books, so he had to start his own publishing company, Bridge of Love, in order to get his books out there. I think some friends helped him launch it.

I'm sure someone more familiar could elaborate, but I think I remember reading that in one of his books somewhere.

hagbard_celine

12-04-2007, 05:15 PM

If I remember correctly, David couldn't get anyone to publish his books, so he had to start his own publishing company, Bridge of Love, in order to get his books out there. I think some friends helped him launch it.

I'm sure someone more familiar could elaborate, but I think I remember reading that in one of his books somewhere.

Self-publishing and vanity publishing are two very different things. A vanity press is an established company that will publish an author under contact. This is just like Penguin or Harper-Collins or any other, but the difference with a vanity press is that they will ask the author to pay for it. It's a total rip-off acually and I'm glad David never went down that route. You can always tell vanity publishers because they put ads in maazines saying things like "authors wanted". A quality press should never have o advertize like this.

Self-publishing is where an author signs no contract, but intead sets up his/her own publishing copmany and runs it as a small business. This is what Bridge of Love is, and my own imprint too. If you do this you get a much better deal: You have to put in the intial capital, but you're in control of what you do with it. You can also publish books on themes the big houses will steer clear of and this is applies to David more than anyone! Self-publishing is hard work, but the rewards are good. However it's not terribly lucrative, which makes me wonder why so many people think David is just in this for the money.

There are better ways to make money... like becoming a TV sports journalist.;)

hagbard_celine

12-04-2007, 05:17 PM

I am stunned, I didn't know David was having all that trouble:mad: I have just made a donation, I wish it could have been more:( If I won the lottery, I would donate a very large amount to David & his family.

I did too. It's a shame that Royal Adams and David have fallen out so badly because Adams used to be his frind and contact in America. I keep my fingers crossed all the time for David. I'm a writer too and I value my copyright aboe all else. I'm interested to see how this case will eventually be solved.

tinmenace

12-04-2007, 05:49 PM

I'm interested to see how this case will eventually be solved.

I'm WILLING it to result in David's favor, and for him to go on with even greater success.

masonic3

12-04-2007, 07:13 PM

Sorry for being a bit stupid but Im new here and I was just looking at the home page. Don't get me wrong, I think Icke is great, but I noticed the donations thing on the home page.

Because its all about money at the end of the day.:(
The "Goats" on here can drible some crap at you but Daves got to pay the bills, You need alot of money to live in Jersey!

peter19

12-04-2007, 09:19 PM

On one level, money is the most important thing in the world. Don't be fooled by "spiritual" people who say that money is of lesser importance. It isn't.

i dont agree to that. but yeah its important. because all of us use it and we say that its "money". if everyone said and accepted that sticks (or whatever) were money, thats what the consensus would be, sticks is money. :) same with gold, its just a bar, you cant eat it, cant drink it so in a sense whys it too important?.

but yeah icke helps people. sends out good infomation. and if people want to send him money thats up to them.

welfarewarrior

12-04-2007, 09:58 PM

so he can purchase many copies of this awesome movie
Trailer for Zardoz (1974) - YouTube

tinmenace

12-04-2007, 10:03 PM

Her nostrils were huge....freaked me out!

mada88

12-04-2007, 10:12 PM

money is just numbers on a screen and people want more and more of nothing, so you'll get nothing. Living is expensive but dreams are free! and in the dreamworld (real world, this world is a twisted nightmare) anything goes and no money is needed.

Anders Lindman

12-04-2007, 10:25 PM

i dont agree to that. but yeah its important. because all of us use it and we say that its "money". if everyone said and accepted that sticks (or whatever) were money, thats what the consensus would be, sticks is money. :) same with gold, its just a bar, you cant eat it, cant drink it so in a sense whys it too important?.

but yeah icke helps people. sends out good infomation. and if people want to send him money thats up to them.

I have started to look at my subconscious beliefs about money. And oh boy! On my subconscious level, money is EXTREMELY important. And this made me think that this is probably true for all other people as well. And I have noticed how people behave when issues about their personal money come up. Very, very strong reactions. And that I think is related to our subconscious beliefs about money, or 'tickets' as Robert Anton Wilson called it. Tickets for survival.

thirdwave

12-04-2007, 11:43 PM

Anders Lindman

13-04-2007, 12:37 AM

money is just a form of wealth and freedom

It may on the surface seem that money is just a 'tool' that can be used for both good and evil, and that is true of course, but money is also a part of the System. Money IS the System. And people who are against the System often fail to recognize that their private money is that System in action so to speak, not separate from it. And that's why it's important to not see the entire System as all bad, because if we do, then we are saying that our own private bank accounts are bad, and subconsciously we really don't believe that.

pollock

13-04-2007, 12:51 AM

It may on the surface seem that money is just a 'tool' that can be used for both good and evil, and that is true of course, but money is also a part of the System. Money IS the System. And people who are against the System often fail to recognize that their private money is that System in action so to speak, not separate from it. And that's why it's important to not see the entire System as all bad, because if we do, then we are saying that our own private bank accounts are bad, and subconsciously we really don't believe that.

My problem has always been my inability to love money because I always saw it as the biggest fraud, and therefore I have never had a lot of it.
So at the moment I am working on my own personal, "forgive money and learn to love it not for what it has been used for by others but for what I could use it for" trip.
Its hard, but I feel it is the only way for me to be able to attract some into my life, and I could use some right about now!

Prosperous thoughts
F

i_am

13-04-2007, 01:00 AM

money is just a form of wealth and freedom .... there are many forms of it.... and people are free to have as much or as little money as they like... and its nothing really to do with other people....

I find it slimy when people are so nosey about others bank accounts... focus on your own business.

Money, like everything else in this illusion, is just energy. It is how you relate to that energy that is important. If you are open to the flow, it will flow. If you have a blockage to the flow, it will stop.

Money is not the root of all evil. ATTACHMENT to money, or anything for that matter, is the problem many people have. I have heard of people committing suicide when they have lost all of their material possessions. There is plenty more out there and it will come to you if you just change your thought.

Anyhow, as has been said, the 'money' you have in the bank is just a figure on a computer screen. It is an illusion..

pollock

13-04-2007, 01:11 AM

Anyhow, as has been said, the 'money' you have in the bank is just a figure on a computer screen. It is an illusion..

Lol, tell that to the taxman!
But you are right and it is just such a blockage to the flow that I am currently working to remove!

money money money
F

Anders Lindman

13-04-2007, 01:37 AM

"forgive money and learn to love it not for what it has been used for by others but for what I could use it for"

That's a good point. Maybe it's even possible to begin to take control over money on a personal level, instead of money controlling the person. To let go of the deep, deep fear that is connected to money. That deep fear is often hidden and not visible to even the person himself or herself. To the point where people are saying that money is not important to them. I know that on the subconscious level, money is VERY important to all people.

thirdwave

13-04-2007, 02:29 AM

Money, like everything else in this illusion, is just energy. It is how you relate to that energy that is important. If you are open to the flow, it will flow. If you have a blockage to the flow, it will stop.

Money is not the root of all evil. ATTACHMENT to money, or anything for that matter, is the problem many people have. I have heard of people committing suicide when they have lost all of their material possessions. There is plenty more out there and it will come to you if you just change your thought.

Anyhow, as has been said, the 'money' you have in the bank is just a figure on a computer screen. It is an illusion..

I agree..... it like if you by somthing new ..its wonderfull, then after time goes by you want somthing else as its not new anymore.... waking up in the morning feeling happy and alive is much better than money.... but the chances are if you are waking up like that... you will bring money into your live anyway...

oceanwave

13-04-2007, 02:57 AM

money is just a form of wealth and freedom .... there are many forms of it.... and people are free to have as much or as little money as they like... and its nothing really to do with other people....

I find it slimy when people are so nosey about others bank accounts... focus on your own business.

i thought it was a form control?...

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

...and on the flip side...

Only after the last tree has been cut down,

Only after the last river has been poisoned,

Only after the last fish has been caught,

Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
- Cree Prophecy

Anders Lindman

13-04-2007, 06:20 AM

i thought it was a form control?...

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

In the past that may have been true. But with the increased infusion of chaos into money itself, even Mr. Rothschild cannot control it. It's not possible to control chaos. The "order out of chaos" motto is an illusion. And control freaks trying to control money will fast become aware of this fact.

As shown in chaos theory, chaos is not disorder, chaos is order, a complex form of order, but order nevertheless and a much more energetic, creative, powerful and fast kind of order than the old-school mechanical and linear form of control.

So buckle your seat belts Mr. Rothschild et. al., because this new kind of control will be quite a ride! :D

oceanwave

13-04-2007, 06:40 AM

In the past that may have been true. But with the increased infusion of chaos into money itself, even Mr. Rothschild cannot control it. It's not possible to control chaos. The "order out of chaos" motto is an illusion. And control freaks trying to control money will fast become aware of this fact.

As shown in chaos theory, chaos is not disorder, chaos is order, a complex form of order, but order nevertheless and a much more energetic, creative, powerful and fast kind of order than the old-school mechanical and linear form of control.

So buckle your seat belts Mr. Rothschild et. al., because this new kind of control will be quite a ride! :D

hence the internet...

...the idea is, as i see it

...cash will be obsolete and all 'money' will be 'centralised'...ie internet banks, credit/debit(ID) cards etc..this may well take a good few years to achieve as people are not using the internet as much as they would like

...hence the prevalence of 'discounts' that now abound the internet compared with actual shopping using hard cash

...also, i see money as energy and it's the intent of *your* energy that will dictate how much or less you have, whether that be money or love...to be very simplistic...

tru3

13-04-2007, 08:24 AM

i've been a premier subscriber since the second day there was one.

this, to me, is a reasonable energy exchange (it's almost NEVER about the money, folks; don't kid yourselves. money is energy congealed into "solid" form, or more precisely the illusion is manipulated that it's solid--it's really nothing more than numbers on a screen or pieces of paper). i get out of life what i put into it.

david's efforts have vastly improved my life. i believe he is helping to raise consciousness on this planet.

i say my subscription is money well spent.

thirdwave

13-04-2007, 10:59 AM

i thought it was a form control?...

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

...and on the flip side...

Only after the last tree has been cut down,

Only after the last river has been poisoned,

Only after the last fish has been caught,

Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
- Cree Prophecy

To some it might be..... if you want to make lots of money so you can control others who are cluless to it then thats up to you.... but that does not mean thats what money is, you could use a knife to cut the rope of which you will use to build a home or you can use the knife to murder someone..

you could say sex is evil as some just like to have it to boost their own ego and have not a care in the world for the other person.... but this does not mean that sex is bad....

if your talking about rhe over all creation of money.... then yeah, it stand for distrust and selfishness.... but who is to say that one man cant get lots of money and as a rusult more people here benifit from his wealth than if he was not wealthy? in order for there to be a change within the money system, it will still have to be done useing money, and this change will maybe move towards a place where money is no longer as valuble as it used to be.....

peter19

13-04-2007, 11:26 AM

To some it might be..... if you want to make lots of money so you can control others who are cluless to it then thats up to you....

but its not just totally up to you in my opp, its up to the other person too, to have a successful system you need every one to agree with it. like as tolle says something like: if a man is in new york and points at a building saying "i own this building" people will think one or two things 1/ the man is dellusional or 2/ yeah he owns it, someone as signed a piece of paper over too him saying he does. whats the diffrence then?, the consensus. people agree that the man owns the buildings, hes got papers with hes names on them.

truthsayer

13-04-2007, 12:17 PM

Because its all about money at the end of the day.:(
The "Goats" on here can drible some crap at you but Daves got to pay the bills, You need alot of money to live in Jersey!

Don't you mean Ryde on the Isle of Wight?

Anyway, love or hate money, we have been enslaved by it, and can't really survive in this world without it, try as we might.

As soon as I read the story behind David's plight I donated what I could and posted the story on my blog in the hope of helping further.

thirdwave

13-04-2007, 12:37 PM

but its not just totally up to you in my opp, its up to the other person too, to have a successful system you need every one to agree with it. like as tolle says something like: if a man is in new york and points at a building saying "i own this building" people will think one or two things 1/ the man is dellusional or 2/ yeah he owns it, someone as signed a piece of paper over too him saying he does. whats the diffrence then?, the consensus. people agree that the man owns the buildings, hes got papers with hes names on them.

well yes its all full of crap really.... for a start who is to say who owns anything, everything that is already here might belong to someone else anyway... who are we to claim it...

but I think within our own life's we can bring what we like into it... and if that's money then so be it.... I personally don't want money for power... and to be "rich", my intention would be so it could allow me to do the thing that I think I should be doing.... and hence make me a better person, I would also be able to give more money to the needy than I can now....

money will always stand for a negative gesture... but you don't have to see money or treat it like that.... you are in this universe and are here to create the experience you want.... as long as you focus on that then weather it be luck...money.... or a miracle that brings it , it should not matter.... money is just a 3 dimensional thing....

you could say ...he only managed to do that because he has got loads of money..... or you could say.... he was meant to do it so he has got loads of money....

peter19

13-04-2007, 01:27 PM

yea think also mate, what do some people want money for?. for happyness, so if you are happy with the least little thing then money means nothing. you dont need to go to paris to make you happy you are happy within yourself. you dont need that sexy woman or what ever to make you happy, because you are content with what is now. what if i had millions of pounds but was scared to talk with people?. but i wanted to help them. i might not because i would live in fear. so what is one of the most important things for me personally and i think you too probblys, is - to be real - to live freely. once you do that your totally open and if your a loveing person totally loveing. i would much rather know and be mates with a person like that than a multi millionaire. but then that could be my greed in a sense comeing in lol. because from the "enlightened" person he/she could help me alot more. but help me grow and then also help me to help others.

oceanwave

13-04-2007, 02:22 PM

To some it might be..... if you want to make lots of money so you can control others who are cluless to it then thats up to you.... but that does not mean thats what money is, you could use a knife to cut the rope of which you will use to build a home or you can use the knife to murder someone..

you could say sex is evil as some just like to have it to boost their own ego and have not a care in the world for the other person.... but this does not mean that sex is bad....

if your talking about rhe over all creation of money.... then yeah, it stand for distrust and selfishness.... but who is to say that one man cant get lots of money and as a rusult more people here benifit from his wealth than if he was not wealthy? in order for there to be a change within the money system, it will still have to be done useing money, and this change will maybe move towards a place where money is no longer as valuble as it used to be.....

did you not read my reply to anders?...

...if you did, then i assume the "you" is in the plural and, therefore, you are using my post as a springboard effect (which, incidentally, is fine by me)

...if not, it sounds like you are attempting to justify yourself when i asked for none (which, incidentally, is your problem)

...i will reiterate again,

...money, like anything else, is a form of energy...it is your intent that counts

...so, knock yourself out, do what you will with it...

:cool: