UK:Retard Scientists Thinks Working Class Retards

[mynameis]

Working classes are less intelligent, says evolution expert
Published Date: 22 May 2008
By EMILY PYKETT

WORKING-CLASS students have lower IQs than those from wealthier backgrounds and should not be expected to win places at top universities, an academic has claimed.
Bruce Charlton, an evolutionary psychiatrist at Newcastle University, has written a paper asserting the reason why fewer students from poor families are admitted to Oxford or Cambridge is not because of social prejudice, but lack of ability.

He suggests that low numbers of working-class students at elite universities is the "natural outcome" of "substantial" IQ differences between classes.

He told The Scotsman yesterday, in an interview conducted by e-mail at his insistence: "Poor people have lower average IQ than wealthier people... and this means that a much smaller percentage of working-class people than professional-class people will be able to reach the normal entrance requirements of the most selective universities."

Dr Charlton said the average child from the highest social class is up to 30 times more likely to qualify for admission to a highly selective university than the average child from the lowest social class.

His claims could trigger an outcry similar to that faced by the Nobel prize-winning geneticist James Watson, who was forced to apologise after claiming that African and Caribbean workers were "demonstrably less able" than white ones.

However, Dr Charlton argues it is precisely the fear of creating controversy that prevents other academics taking the same line.

He said: "That is why such obvious scientific truths have not so far been stated clearly, or have actually been denied.

"(This theory is] accepted among those who know and understand the research."

He goes on to question the government's drive to get more students from poor backgrounds into top universities.

"The UK government has spent a great deal of time and effort in asserting that universities, especially Oxford and Cambridge, are unfairly excluding people from low social-class backgrounds and privileging those from higher social classes. Yet in all this debate, a simple and vital fact has been missed: higher social classes have a significantly higher average IQ than lower social classes."

Ministers insist the debate should be focused on helping young people realise their potential. Bill Rammell, Westminster's higher education minister, said: "These arguments have a definite tone of 'people should know their place'.

"There are young people with talent, ability and the potential to benefit from higher education who do not currently do so. That should concern us all."

Sally Hunt, general-secretary of the University and College Union, warned: "It should come as little surprise that people who enjoy a more privileged upbringing have a better start in life."

ANALYSIS

IQ, OR intelligence quotient, measures the ability to perform abstract reasoning and speed of learning.

But a debate rages over whether IQ tests are completely accurate and if their results are a reliable indicator of somebody's true level of intelligence.

Although tests may assess analytical and verbal aptitude well, they are not an accurate test of creativity, practical knowledge and other skills involved in problem-solving.

Many see IQ tests as an assessment of an individual's problem-solving ability, rather than general intelligence.

Others argue that they just show how good the individual is at IQ tests, especially during childhood.

http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Working-classes-are-less-.4108730.jp

[synergy777]

is it a question of nature/genetics or nurture/upbringing. eg if you have more money, you have a better diet, better education/tutors/private schools etc.

another thing is that if upper class people are more intelligent, then they are to blame for the sorry state of the world, as they own/operate the most important things lol

i think its down to nurture/upbringing, if you have more money you educate your kids better, take them overseasto travel, culture them. if you have to work long hours just make ends meet, you won't have the time/resources to help them to the same extent as the upper classes.

also are the upper class people better humans, nope, they are more decadent/debauched than the working classes eg max moseley and nazi hookers etc, they need more therapy/shrinks/drugs/rehab etc they have too divorces/affairs/illegitimate children. they however gloss over this set of data, lol

[kweli]

These scientist rely heavily on funding from TPTB.

[xxxx]

also are the upper class people better humans, nope, they are more decadent/debauched than the working classes eg max moseley and nazi hookers etc, they need more therapy/shrinks/drugs/rehab etc they have too divorces/affairs/illegitimate children. they however gloss over this set of data, lol

what? you've decided this have you? or did you vote labour in crewe? i'm not saying you live in crewe i'm making a point. i don't think the upper classes are MORE debauched, probably about the same. they have posh champers and orgys, we get white lightning and smack. everyone has divorces and affairs and illegitmate children, i think your toff bashing is just class envy. sorry thats just the impression i get.

[danster82]

Well ive spent about 5 years in labor and about 4 years at university and I can only personaly state that people in university were less intelligent. I guess it depends how you define intelligence but education is simply programming a mind to fill a role in society and if anyone felt so inclined they could be progammed to be whoever they wanted to be.

But i think theres a clear diffrence between IQ and wisdom i think the most base expression of intelligence is simply common sense.

[lightgiver]

so called brainy people:rolleyes: plenty brains so called:confused:
but zilch common sense:p
the trouble is today everyone is brainwashed:D

[synergy777]

also are the upper class people better humans, nope, they are more decadent/debauched than the working classes eg max moseley and nazi hookers etc, they need more therapy/shrinks/drugs/rehab etc they have too divorces/affairs/illegitimate children. they however gloss over this set of data, lol

they too have,

ergo they also behave like the so called lower classes they look down upon.

as for toff bashing i might not be blueblood/gentry, but i have had the benefit of a university education both here in the uk and america/ny, at a graduate and post graduate level. thus i have seen life in the hamptons and seen life also in the less affulent areas eg queens/bronx first hand not through celluoid.

hence i am in the process of moving to the oil rich area of dubai, where i will live in relative luxury compared to what is coming here. i don't hate, i just tell it the way it is.

hence your wrong impression could be due to my grammatical error or your flawed perception, lol

[romas]

Job + learning course and it becomes stressfull. Less sleep, less relaxation, poorer diet.
Plus average jobs have dumbifying effect on people.

[cowboy]

is it a question of nature/genetics or nurture/upbringing. eg if you have more money, you have a better diet, better education/tutors/private schools etc.

another thing is that if upper class people are more intelligent, then they are to blame for the sorry state of the world, as they own/operate the most important things lol

i think its down to nurture/upbringing, if you have more money you educate your kids better, take them overseasto travel, culture them. if you have to work long hours just make ends meet, you won't have the time/resources to help them to the same extent as the upper classes.

also are the upper class people better humans, nope, they are more decadent/debauched than the working classes eg max moseley and nazi hookers etc, they need more therapy/shrinks/drugs/rehab etc they have too divorces/affairs/illegitimate children. they however gloss over this set of data, lol



Wow...Perfectly said. :D

[elirien]

Rich people have better motivation mostly thats my only oppinion about the matter. I have and had friends from different financial backgrounds and I must say that most of the farm boys do better in university exams then our now private university rich kids. both has nothing to do with intelligence.

its just motivation. you don't have to a genius to do stupid exams. you just have to work your ass of and not learn but memorize question types.
A friend of mine who studied electrial engineering at the time (I was studying mining enginerring but I got bored and quit) said this: "when I learn the subject to utilize it i fail in exams because I don't care about memorizing one incident of application that I must utilize in 15 minutes. "

So its of to memorisation again and that is not the sign of intelligence. its just one aspect of the brain. there is far more imho and yes I believe the education style of most of the universities (at least around here) kill intelligence.

[vera susa]

Slow down folk...It's about reaffirming the LIE;
that those who THINK, outside of the ACCEPTED 'facts',
are 'nutters'.

Personally, (as a Greatly UNDERPRIVILEGED and POOR,
white girl, in ELITE Western Society),
I'd love a greater proportion of the population being able to,
KEEP UP WITH THE SPEED at which I think, but sadly,
they are a rare breed, even/especially among those,
'well bred and raised, Upper Classes',
who are so busy LEARNING CODES,
that, they have very little time to ponder
the NEED and PURPOSE for them.

Fortunately though, there are those of the,
'Ignored Minority of the Soundly Thinking Poor',
(who couldn't, 'pull a favour from a well paid whore',
let alone deserved acknowledgement from the "Educated Elite"),
who don't quite get drowned out in their stated quests for TRUTH,
and those who care to, can still access well considered opinions that,
Challenge the Status Quo....and constrict the Bank Balance's
of those who publicly voice such opinions...just to keep the 'camps',
clearly, well separated.....TRUTH = (worldly), POVERTY 'Camp'!

Bugger all in the Conspiracy INDUSTRY, to CHALLENGE "THEM" then,
is there!

Damn lucky that some rare few of us put TRUTH,
above the worldly rewards of INDUSTRY, then, ain't it!

[informationx]

Check out this video regarding IQ

http://fora.tv/2008/04/16/Stephen_Murdoch_Discusses_IQ

Personally I think much of "Intelligence" is down to memory recall, and memory processing ability.

Perhaps a more wealthy background is conducive to a better memory structure as more opportunity's arise in a child's upbringing. Have you noticed how family's over a certain income bracket always seem to have a piano in the house lol.

Early stimulation from music, travel, social contact etc I'm sure helps a great deal.

Many people I would consider more intelligent (better memory processors) than myself. However this is no reason for them to look down on me, and no reason for me to look up to them.

My fear is that the world is turning into a intellectual fascist state, run again for the benefit of the so called elite.

[challand]

Andy:Crazy Hippy Conspiracy Theorist Thinks Ruling Class Scientist Smacktards are Retards

Coming soon. lol

[elirien]

Check out this video regarding IQ

http://fora.tv/2008/04/16/Stephen_Murdoch_Discusses_IQ

Personally I think much of "Intelligence" is down to memory recall, and memory processing ability.

Perhaps a more wealthy background is conducive to a better memory structure as more opportunity's arise in a child's upbringing. Have you noticed how family's over a certain income bracket always seem to have a piano in the house lol.

Early stimulation from music, travel, social contact etc I'm sure helps a great deal.

Many people I would consider more intelligent (better memory processors) than myself. However this is no reason for them to look down on me, and no reason for me to look up to them.

My fear is that the world is turning into a intellectual fascist state, run again for the benefit of the so called elite.

Man I don't think that I would be sad or bitter if I would be scientifically stupid, but I think more processing of data would be the incentive in this matter rather then memorizing.

And that is quite better in poorer communities since they have to work more to at least earn a living. thats why america is dumbing down imho, since the average american has almost got to do little things compared to the middle class of 3. world countries (like my own for example).

monetary conforts are not always productive its the choice for the usage of funds that changes that.

[informationx]

Man I don't think that I would be sad or bitter if I would be scientifically stupid, but I think more processing of data would be the incentive in this matter rather then memorizing.

And that is quite better in poorer communities since they have to work more to at least earn a living. thats why america is dumbing down imho, since the average american has almost got to do little things compared to the middle class of 3. world countries (like my own for example).

monetary conforts are not always productive its the choice for the usage of funds that changes that.

I hear you man :)

[lightgiver]

that's why the education system is brainwashed?
they do not want people rising above their station do they;)
as that great man once said B MARLEY of course:)
brainwash education to make us the fools;)

[mystiq_99]

Benjamin Fulford has an interesting article called "How the Celtic peoples were enslaved by Babylonian tyrants" from an Asian historical view. His english version website is:http://www.benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html. One quote here pertains to why we're being dumbed down so much I believe through chemicals, poor education, control basically. " Today the empire of the Babylonian slave-drivers is now under threat like never before. First of all, large masses of humanity freed themselves from a form of Masonic slavery known as Colonialism. These people then began to gain both economic and intellectual power. The biggest threat now is the rise of China and India.

The 10,000 illuminati are now outnumbered by the humans they want to enslave by a ratio of close to 700,000 to one. With non-controlled humanity gaining in economic, military and intellectual power, the illuminati feel extremely scared and vulnerable. Cultures not under direct illuminati control now account for 83% of the World’s population and over 60% of its wealthTo deal with this situation, David Rockefeller and the descendants of J.P. Morgan and Averil Harriman (including the Bush family) cooked up an incredibly horrendous scheme to slaughter billions of the world’s free people and then take advantage of the trauma of slaughter to enslave the rest.

The plan calls for an artificial armagedon to be launched that would start with a never ending “war on terror,” followed by plagues, famine and possibly even a fake, and very lethal, alien invasion fleet.

The plan was so evil that it provoked a split in the illuminati ranks..."


Basically middle class people are a real threat to these slave drivers because, good nutrition and diverse gene pool mixing makes us very bright and powerful. Anything that makes their statement concerning intelligence true, are barbaric control tactics they practice on the human race, short of advanced sci-fi gene manipulation.

[kingmonkey]

The whole thing sounds a bit shaky to me, I'd like to read this paper of his and see how well controlled and scientific this "experiment" was. I've heard any kind of tests for mental abilities give extremely questionable results due to possible (and very likely) differing attitudes and mind states of the subjects at the time, people are often nervous when tested, or are tired etc and quite often give unreliable results. Once the number of test subjects increases the numbers get less reliable.

Also, there's more than likely a completely different attitude towards education by the different classes...Working class people are far more likely not to give a crap about achieving high academic grades etc, when the jobs they are likely to have probably won't need them, but this by know means makes them less intelligent, and the test is biased in this respect anyway, by placing a higher value on academic performance than practical and creative skills...The test itself reeks of snobbery and the parties involved have a very narrow minded, myopic view of how to value certain groups of society.

[particlezen]

when i was at Nottingham Uni i was told by the head of the philosophy department that when it came to selecting prospective students based on predicted A-Level grades, the university would always give priority to the ones who DIDN'T go to public school / come from a privelidged background.

this, according to him, was because someone who excels in the state-school education system is more likely to have genuine ability compared with someone who has been privately tutored to jump through academic hoops.

[ennui]

Maybe it's like natural selection.

Those with higher a IQ (and sharper elbows) work their way up to the top and get a place in Eton, there being taught how to speak proper and how not to slurp ones soup etc thereby being considered "upper class" and better than everyone else, while the rest of us dullards go to the local comprehensives and end up with a job in the local Maccy D's where we are considered working class. If we'd been a bit brighter we could have stayed on and done our AS Levels, got a job in a nice office, bought a Fiesta and kidded ourselves that we were middle class. We could have saved up and sent our own children to a better school than we went to, but alas, we are working class and therefore do not have the intellect for such things. :( Life is a bitch.

[indigo28]

That IQ thing doesn't measure anything "real life" throws at you. Put those spoiled brats on the street and see how long they survive. The movie "Trading Places" (or spaces, I forget) shows the factors that really influence who is allowed to have a higher education. I'll tell you it has alot to do with basic $$$.
Statistics are at the heart of black magic, the IQ is a statistic,
therefore...

Indigo:)

[matthew84]

You learn what you want to learn at uni but i reckon people who come from familes who sit around the dinner table and discuss the trojan wars have a higher chance of doing better than those who chat about what's happening on Britain's Got Talent.

Uni is over-rated in my view; it trains you to think in a particular narrow mindset and stops you using your creativity.

Better off out. And I have an MA (Oxon) so it's not chips on shoulders speaking.

[eternal_spirit]

Uni = sex drugs and rock n roll so I heard. Many leave and loose half of their brains in the process.

Many ended up in the same jobs as the none Uni crowd, see when they come back to their home Towns or any other town they may choose to go too, the jobs aren't there that relate to their qualifications, degrees etc, so they have to take whatever jobs are on offer same as the none UNI crowd.

Plus it's only a certain amount of UNi's that the Elite are schooled at, they are basically chosen for certain roles to do with jobs whose task it is to control the masses. ( The old boys network ) Homo Masons jobs for the boys spiel.....So, they may recruit form the lower echelons at times ( as well ) if they feel someone has the qualities of being a ruthless psychopath, ( or serves their purpouse in some way ) then they'll try get them to join their clubs/religion

Seriously I know some with degrees that work nights in cold store warehouses, all you need for this is an able body and no frills in the grey matter department.

[romas]

Benjamin Fulford has an interesting article called "How the Celtic peoples were enslaved by Babylonian tyrants" from an Asian historical view. His english version website is:http://www.benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html. One quote here pertains to why we're being dumbed down so much I believe through chemicals, poor education, control basically. " Today the empire of the Babylonian slave-drivers is now under threat like never before. First of all, large masses of humanity freed themselves from a form of Masonic slavery known as Colonialism. These people then began to gain both economic and intellectual power. The biggest threat now is the rise of China and India.

The 10,000 illuminati are now outnumbered by the humans they want to enslave by a ratio of close to 700,000 to one. With non-controlled humanity gaining in economic, military and intellectual power, the illuminati feel extremely scared and vulnerable. Cultures not under direct illuminati control now account for 83% of the World’s population and over 60% of its wealthTo deal with this situation, David Rockefeller and the descendants of J.P. Morgan and Averil Harriman (including the Bush family) cooked up an incredibly horrendous scheme to slaughter billions of the world’s free people and then take advantage of the trauma of slaughter to enslave the rest.

The plan calls for an artificial armagedon to be launched that would start with a never ending “war on terror,” followed by plagues, famine and possibly even a fake, and very lethal, alien invasion fleet.

The plan was so evil that it provoked a split in the illuminati ranks..."


Basically middle class people are a real threat to these slave drivers because, good nutrition and diverse gene pool mixing makes us very bright and powerful. Anything that makes their statement concerning intelligence true, are barbaric control tactics they practice on the human race, short of advanced sci-fi gene manipulation.


Valid theory imo, because people were not less intelligent than us back then, judging by artifacts, seems on contrary. The only difference is now we have more/different tools.

[the itinerant shrubber]

Everyone started poor somewhere down the line. The difference between the rich and the poor is that the rich's ancestors had the wit and intelligence to make something of themselves so it follows that initially the rich may have a higher IQ than their poor counterparts. Obviously this becomes quickly diluted but as someone pointed out,wealth means a better education which means a better diet.(You dont need to be well off to eat well these days) so generally the IQ maybe higher across the board compared to the poor.