There is no hole in the North Pole....

[december]

Just ask these tourists - :D

http://www.victory-cruises.com/graphics5/north_pole4.jpg

The Russian Jamal nuclear icebreaker, which carries tourists to the North pole in the summer.

http://www.npp.hu/mukodes/kepek/IBN-Yamal01.jpg

Arctic Adventures
These are voyages of discovery to a stunning world beyond the reach of all but the most powerful icebreakers. Our extraordinary icebreaker forges its way through metres-thick pack ice, taking us in comfort to a spectacular region where lesser ships cannot venture.

http://www.npp.hu/mukodes/tipusok/jegtoro-e.htm


http://www.2012.com.au/Hollow_Earth.jpg

[midwich cuckoo]

But who knows what could be under the ice. ;)

[welfarewarrior]

finally! :D

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

This doesn’t prove anything!.......that pole sticking out of the ice could be anywhere!..... don’t forget “The Powers That Be” are masters at mind control by which they create a false reality for the masses to believe.......in fact this is exactly the sort of stunt they would pull to capture the publics attention so they could be conditioned into believing what “The Powers That Be” wanted them to believe.......that the North pole is just a pole sticking out of the ice.

I have read that the Hubble space telescope has taken pictures of the poles that show large dark areas that look like holes.......of course you will be hard pushed to find these pictures as “The Powers That Be” are very careful about what is released to the public domain.

I’m keeping an open mind about the Hollow Earth theory....... It’s going to take more than a pole sticking out of the ice to fool me...........:)

Love
&
Peace

[thirdwave]

mmm does not really prove anything... they could have gone to the wrong place.... of it could be a freemason hiking holiday!

if they want to de bunk it then the military would have to do a proper thorough search like they were meant to have done in the 40s.... which lead to the rumours....

I bet you very few if anyone on that trip even believed they were going to even find anything... and probably did not care that they did not...

[tinmenace]

Yeah, plus the fact that it says 90N. I'm not convinced either way, therefor I keep an open mind. Anything less would be ignorant.

[them]

http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/Banding/images/Bering_wintering.jpg
http://www.tiehh.ttu.edu/mhooper/images/specta2.jpg
http://www.tiehh.ttu.edu/mhooper/images/BeringMap.jpg
http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/biology/avian_influenza/images/gallery/SPEI_at_sea_WLarned_med.jpg

[thirdwave]

[QUOTE=them;27757]QUOTE]

are those pictures actualt claiming to be the opening or are ou sending them as you think they look like it??

[welfarewarrior]

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollow_earth.jpg
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufoart/earths16.jpg
:D

[graflok]

BTW, I think the above pics are from this web site:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html


Anyway, I looked at the polar areas shown in Google Earth. I captured an image of each polar area. I did nothing to the images in the way of manipulation.

These pics are here:

North pole (http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2564/northkw4.jpg)

South pole (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6550/southvt8.jpg)

Both polar areas show odd radiating lines extending out from a central point. I don't know what would cause that. The polar areas also appear fuzzy, as if out of focus but surrounding areas (outside of the boundaries of these pictures) are sharp. A possible cause of the fuzziness is a difference in subject distance from the lens. Another possible cause is image manipulation such as with PhotoShop.

graflok

[them]

are those pictures actualt claiming to be the opening or are ou sending them as you think they look like it??

They are openings in the Northern Polar ice; kept ice free by huge concentrations of Spectacled Eiders - Somateria fischeri

http://www.fieldguides.com/slideshows/aka/SpectacledEidersCB.jpg

Very little is known about this species' wintering habits as the entire global populations sit the winter out on a mere handful of sites such as the ones I posted upstairs. Yet they prevail where others fail.

I was once lucky enough to accompany some ornithologists on a plane flight over the Eiders wintering grounds. The Eiders choose keep these areas open because of the abundant food supplies in the Northern Polar Ocean.

I guess my point is that it's easy enough to keep pockets open in the ice because there is an Ocean underneath.. not land but water. Students of the Hollow Earth are surely aware that if an entrance is to be found in the ice, it will lead only into water. If the earth is hollow, and the entrance up North, it must be on the sea bed, in my most humble opinion.

Spectacled Eider (http://www.hbw.com/ibc/videos/Anatidae/Somateria_fischeri_2g.wmv)

[december]

But who knows what could be under the ice. ;)


Water is under the ice. Don't you see the icebraker?

http://www.victory-cruises.com/graphics5/north_pole4.jpg




Hi,

This doesn’t prove anything!.......

It PROVES everything, mcmenek1.



...that pole sticking out of the ice could be anywhere!.....

What do you mean? :D :D :D
Guys, is it news to you that icebrakers go to the North Pole all the time?

Where are you actually getting your information from?

:rolleyes:

[mcmenek1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmenek1
Hi,

This doesn’t prove anything!.......


[QUOTE=december;27827]
It PROVES everything, mcmenek1.



Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmenek1
...that pole sticking out of the ice could be anywhere!.....


What do you mean?

Hi december,

The point that I'm trying to make is "The Powers That Be" control the information that’s put into the public domain.........a lot of this information is disinformation.... thus creating a false reality in the minds of the public.

The news story could be true!.....but it could also be disinformation!
"The Powers That Be" have a very poor track record for telling the truth!

The pole sticking out of the ice could be part of this disinformation i.e. it could be miles away from the true location of the North pole...... a set up to make us think its the North pole.

The point is anything that’s publically announced needs to be taken with a pinch of salt......in case it's disinformation!

I'm just keeping an open mind on the subject.......:)

Love
&
Peace

[midwich cuckoo]

Water is under the ice. Don't you see the icebraker?

And what's under the water?, land right, what's under the land?. Who knows, you certainly don't! and neither do I, so to state that the hollow earth theory is wrong solely based on this photograph, is just plain daft.

[tinmenace]

BTW, I think the above pics are from this web site:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html


Anyway, I looked at the polar areas shown in Google Earth. I captured an image of each polar area. I did nothing to the images in the way of manipulation.

These pics are here:

North pole (http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2564/northkw4.jpg)

South pole (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6550/southvt8.jpg)

Both polar areas show odd radiating lines extending out from a central point. I don't know what would cause that. The polar areas also appear fuzzy, as if out of focus but surrounding areas (outside of the boundaries of these pictures) are sharp. A possible cause of the fuzziness is a difference in subject distance from the lens. Another possible cause is image manipulation such as with PhotoShop.

graflok


The north pole is frozen over, and even in the summer it melts only in parts.
That is the one thing about Google Earth that I've never understood. Why are they not disclosing honest images?

[tinmenace]

Guys, is it news to you that icebrakers go to the North Pole all the time?


It's at 90N. That's the symbolic north pole. What's beyond that?

[december]

And what's under the water?, land right, what's under the land?. Who knows, you certainly don't! and neither do I, so to state that the hollow earth theory is wrong solely based on this photograph, is just plain daft.

midwich cuckoo, you and some other posters sound like you still live in 19-th century. :)

Come on now!!!

The North Pole was explored and studied long time ago....
Today the icebreakers go to the North Pole REGULARLY.

Where have you been before, guys? :)

http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Yammal---Q.jpg

[tinmenace]

...Doesn't change the fact that it still says 90N. What's beyond that?

[graflok]

That is the one thing about Google Earth that I've never understood. Why are they not disclosing honest images?

I presume it's because they get their images from government-controlled satellite imagery.

Here is a list of other places that are obscured by Google Earth:
Satellite map images with missing or unclear data - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

graflok

[pollock]

I get so curious:confused: :confused:
http://maps.google.com/maps?z=14&ll=39.496888,-74.375982&t=k

F

[them]

http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07155/moonsunNorthPole.jpg

And what's under the water?, land right, what's under the land?. Who knows, you certainly don't! and neither do I, so to state that the hollow earth theory is wrong solely based on this photograph, is just plain daft.

What I know is that if you have a hole in the land under water, it fills up with water.

http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07155/Subs_North_Pole_1.jpg

http://www.tour-land.ru/extr/north_p/eng/index.shtml

North Pole webcam (http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html) http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_bash.gif

http://www.ecophotoexplorers.com/images/belize_bluehole_lg.jpg

[midwich cuckoo]

You never heard of underwater bases?. Or even submarines?. There are ways of keeping water out you know.

[pollock]

I would also say that if the hollow earth theory is true there is probably some forces of nature going on that we have no idea about, so debunking this is hard it could be true or not! Its just about what you allow to be possible weather you are able to believe it or not, witch is why until I go and see the north pole with my own eyes I will have no real oppinion about it, I have lived long enough not to believe something just because I see a picture of it, and for blindly believing some strangers word.... dont think so!

Unending possibilities
F

[them]

There are ways of keeping water out you know.

Yes, I understand the concept of an air/water lock, but I thought we're discussing a cavernous opening into the center of Planet Egg Earth.

http://www.2012.com.au/Hollow_Earth.jpg

The Northern Pole is positioned over an Ocean, any underwater entrance would have to be on the sea bed.

I would also say that if the hollow earth theory is true there is probably some forces of nature going on that we have no idea about so debunking this is hard it could be true or not! Its just about what you allow to be possible weather you are able to believe it or not, witch is why until I go and see the north pole with my own eyes I will have no real oppinion about it, I have lived long enough not to believe something just because I see a picture of it, and for blindly believing some strangers word.... dont think so!

Unending possibilities
F

I have been between 80 & 90 degrees North. Lots & lots of ice..

However, Greenland is a different story, lots of land & ice.. One should also consider evidence that 90 000 years ago (before the last Polar shift) Greenland was actually at the Pole for a period in the order of 30 000 to 40 000 years.

http://gemini.oscs.montana.edu/~geol445/hyperglac/morphology1/ContinentalIce.jpg
http://montgomerycollege.edu/Departments/planet/M_AS102/coordinates/EarthLatLong.gif

I'm back off up to Greenland in September & will be keeping more of an eye open for an entrance to the hollow earth, which will obviously be made easier when you consider the melting of the ice Greenland ice sheets.

http://192.171.163.165/Climate%20Encyclopaedia/images/greenland-ice-sheet.gif

Maybe the entrance is positioned at the next North Pole? The Pole after the next Polar shift. It's been suggested that the nest North Pole will be in the vicinity of Lake Baikal, in Siberia. North America will move Southwards into the tropics, subsiding hundreds of feet relatively to sea level, & the ocean will occupy river valleys dividing the continent into several land areas. India will move Northward out of the tropics, & since there will be no land to the South to provide a refuge for flora & fauna, we shall have to expect the extinction of many species. Any gradual climatic changes due to changing latitude may be accompanied by numerous sudden, violent, & destructive climatic changes due to volcanism.

[december]

Well, so far there is not a word from believers (or David Icke himself) which can prove or support the claim which Icke made in chapter 12 in The Biggest Secret.
I see emotional statements and questions only...

[december]

http://www.tour-land.ru/extr/north_p/eng/index.shtml

North Pole webcam (http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html) http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_bash.gif



Thank you, them. :)

As I said - after reading posts of some Forum members I begin to think that they still live in 19th century! :D

Guys!
You never knew about the expeditions to the North pole? :)


The expedition to the North pole
"You are excited and astonished standing at the highest peak, and yet feel a bit envy of those who have this peak ahead"

These lines of a famous Russian bard V. Visotsky clearly describe the feeling of a man who has reached "the main peak of all the peaks", "the roof of the world" - The North Pole. Having realized that you have the whole world underfoot, you are looking southward, at the vast expanse of the earth spread downwards, and your heart is beating faster and faster, filled with pride for what you've managed to do.

The Arctic Ocean reaching 5,5 km depth covers the most part of the Arctic zone. Its water area is covered with ice-floes up to 3-4 meters thick, and its ice-hummocks - towering ice-floe wreckages - reach 10-15 meters height.

Why are people so eager to get to the Pole? What beckons them to these inclement lands? Romantic appeal? Self-assertion? What are they looking for in the land of blizzards and snowdrifts? You can answer all these questions only by getting to the Pole yourself.

Polar day lasts up to 6 months. The Sun is high in the horizon day and night. And you are dipping into the clinking frosty silence, the all-mighty silence which seems to absorb the mute breathing of the Arctic.

Nowadays people have an increasing interest to northern parts of Russia and especially to the North Pole. In contrast to other tourist routes, any participant of an Arctic program offered by "Tour land" is supposed not only to get the best impressions, but also to undertake a soul-searching venture, which can develop the best features of your character: kindness, the strength of mind, manhood and humanity.

[mcmenek1]

I would also say that if the hollow earth theory is true there is probably some forces of nature going on that we have no idea about, so debunking this is hard it could be true or not! Its just about what you allow to be possible weather you are able to believe it or not, witch is why until I go and see the north pole with my own eyes I will have no real oppinion about it, I have lived long enough not to believe something just because I see a picture of it, and for blindly believing some strangers word.... dont think so!

Unending possibilities
F

Yes!.....exactly.......well said pollock........:)


Love
&
Peace

[aznality]

Seeing those pictures make me laugh. That doesn't prove anything, as there is no definite NORTH POLE. The circumference at the top is all north according to the compass.

Knowing how the Illuminati work through the media, they present to us what they want us to know. It doesn't mean the earth isn't hollow, just because the government says it is solid.

A recap: The furtherest they have dug down earth is 2-3 miles or maybe a little more, but only officially. How do you conclude the earth has all those layers (crust, mantle, core) if you haven't gone all the way down? They are leading us into believing something untrue.

I'm not saying the hollow earth idea is fact. But I'm definitely open to all ideas. Arguing that the earth is definitely solid, is just being close-minded. You are just believing what the gov tells you, when they are infamous for lying all the time.

[pollock]

Interesting it says here that the north pole changes location every now and then!
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/02/27/6900064_Magnet_Pole_Shift/
Hmmm
And another interesting thing, the sun reverses its poles every 11 years, the next one is due in 2012.
Hmmm again!

Well again just someones words,
Ill believe it when I see it and until then I dont have a clue:) !
(well maybe one or two)
F

[chester]

After looking at some of those google earth pictures, the next man made, greed driven, apocolyptic issue will be

GLOBAL BLURING!

look out

[december]

http://www.tour-land.ru/extr/north_p/eng/index.shtml

North Pole webcam (http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html) http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/images/smiles/icon_bash.gif


Them, now we need to inform David Icke about this, so he can rewrite the Hollow Earth chater in his books...

:)

[tinmenace]

Why don't you just write your own book about how the earth is not hollow? :)

[december]

Why don't you just write your own book about how the earth is not hollow? :)

Are you asking me, tinmenace ?

[aznality]

^I believe he is. If you have your own reasoning, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you in publishing a book that debunks the hollow earth.

But you have to realise in that chapter of the Hollow Earth, David Icke was just passing on the information he researched about. I don't think he said definitely it is true. He was just giving points and ideas. Just like the part about the 2012 thing. In the biggest secret, he didn't say for sure it is going to happen and he isn't the judge of it. He only said it is quite possible.

We have the right to free speech (or should have), and if you take away that right from people who do write about the hollow earth, you are just censoring information. That's exactly what you were insinuating right? You wrote "now we need to inform David Icke about this, so he can rewrite the Hollow Earth chater in his books" meaning you want him to change his views and say the opposite, and in effect, depriving the hollow earth views from the public so that we don't learn alternative ideas and letting people judge for themselves. I call that facism.

By the way, in those links, you really think that is the north pole? Most likely they took people to the edge believing that is the furthest you can go. Where in fact, there is further to venture into.

[them]

Now then, Icke discusses underground bases at the N & S Poles that are still operational today. Icke states that the Earth is Hollow, or that most of it is, and that highly intelligent ancient societies live there. I’m pretty sure that his pivotal evidence for this was the Jules Verne novel Journey to the center of the Earth.

There is a Sun in the middle, Icke believes, & the Earth formed around it. One can only suppose that the inner Sun is also Hollow & that this Hollowness is a Universal phenomenon that goes on ad infinitum.

One part I remember vividly was the fact Icke could not understand why the icebergs at the N Pole are made mostly of freshwater & contain flora & fauna. The Irtysh-Ob, Yenisey & Lena Rivers might have a bit to do with that.. along with the seasonal melting & re-freezing of the Northern Polar Ocean.

The only bit I looked into further concerned Admiral Richard E. Byrd. However, sadly his papers are closed. I bought Byrds book Alone but haven’t read it yet.

How your view of the world can change (http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/class/Psy394N/Woolley/9%20Mar%2021%20Reasoning%20&%20Problem%20Solving/Vosniadou%20Brewer%201992.pdf)

As I said upstairs I have been above 80N & saw zero evidence for a chasmal entrance into the Earth. I have also written to a friend who crossed the North Pole some years ago to ask if he observed anything unusual.. & I can't wait until I to go back to Greenland in September.

http://www.erights.org/smart-contracts/donut-lab/images/donut-lab.gif

[tinmenace]

One of the things that stumped me was the Watermelon algae found in the ice cap. This type of algae is plant and water related, and not exclusively ice and snow related.

It's little details like this that have me wondering what else is there to know...?

[them]

One of the things that stumped me was the Watermelon algae found in the ice cap. This type of algae is plant and water related, and not exclusively ice and snow related.

It's little details like this that have me wondering what else is there to know...?

There is always something more to learn. Ignore nothing in the pursuit of knowledge.

I would ask these questions about your statement


Was the algae alive or dead?
What is the distribution range of the wild watermelon?
Was the algae found in a ice-core sample?
Was it found in an area where the ice has retreated?
Has somebody on a boat wanged a watermelon overboard?


and so on..

For your edification (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/04/nbottle04.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/04/ixhome.html)

http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07150/whadayadowentheresnobirds.jpg
Rock Monkey - Queen Maud Land

http://www.combatreform2.com/WA30seaplanecatapultlaunchfromSCHWABENLAND.jpg

http://www.bad-hotel.de/Bad-Ueberkingen/pictures/ballonfahren.jpg
Schwabenland

[tinmenace]

There is always something more to learn. Ignore nothing in the pursuit of knowledge.

I would ask these questions about your statement


Was the algae alive or dead?
What is the distribution range of the wild watermelon?
Was the algae found in a ice-core sample?
Was it found in an area where the ice has retreated?
Has somebody on a boat wanged a watermelon overboard?


and so on..




The algae is alive and is nicknamed watermelon snow because of the way it looks and its coloring. It's actually part of the Green Line Algae but is encased in a red concentrated Hemotococcus sun shield. But the thing with Green Line Algae is that it's quite commonly found anywhere there is water. The point being that it's not exclusive to snow or ice. This is a loose end that needs tying, in my mind...and I'm working on it....LOL

[december]

Now then, Icke discusses underground bases at the N & S Poles that are still operational today.

When I read his "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" I thought he was a serious researcher.

The Biggest Secret is well researched book as well, but why would he turn everything in some sort of fairy tale?

And by the way, I opened a thread about the Nazi base in Antarctica in Illuminati/Secret Societies section and after 225 hits and 12 posts it is still not clear WHERE did David Icke read about the fact that it "is still in operation today".

Here's my post:
I opened The Biggest Secret yesterday to read The hollow Earth chapter once again, and found something which I didn't notice before:


"The Nazis also believed that the Earth was hollow with entrances at the poles and a number of researchers report that they established an underground base in Antarctica towards the end of the war which is still in operation today.

http://www.geoex.com/admin/upload/photos/1353_Ski-SouthPole_main.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2514

So, did he make it up?

[midwich cuckoo]

So, did he make it up?

Only David can answer that.

Also to be clear, I haven't said that the earth is hollow or that there are holes at the poles, I just don't dismiss the theory. :)

[aznality]

When I read his "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" I thought he was a serious researcher.

The Biggest Secret is well researched book as well, but why would he turn everything in some sort of fairy tale?

And by the way, I opened a thread about the Nazi base in Antarctica in Illuminati/Secret Societies section and after 225 hits and 12 posts it is still not clear WHERE did David Icke read about the fact that it "is still in operation today".

Here's my post:
I opened The Biggest Secret yesterday to read The hollow Earth chapter once again, and found something which I didn't notice before:


"The Nazis also believed that the Earth was hollow with entrances at the poles and a number of researchers report that they established an underground base in Antarctica towards the end of the war which is still in operation today.

http://www.geoex.com/admin/upload/photos/1353_Ski-SouthPole_main.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2514

So, did he make it up?

That picture of the geographic south pole, again, is as unconvincing as the pictures of the geographic north pole. They easily could have marked that anywhere else in the Antarctica. Then they lead people there saying...."OMG we arrived at the south pole!". Likewise for the north pole.

And in order to read Icke's books, you need an open mind. It depends how far you are willing to step out of the box. It isn't up to you to decide if he is making up fairytales. As far as I'm concerned, he is being very honest in his research.

[december]

And in order to read Icke's books, you need an open mind. It depends how far you are willing to step out of the box. It isn't up to you to decide if he is making up fairytales. As far as I'm concerned, he is being very honest in his research.

In his books Icke provides the sources of information. So, I just want to know WHERE did he read about the Nazi base which is "still in operation today"?

Or was David Icke inside that Nazi base? :)

[midwich cuckoo]

Nevermind.

[aznality]

In his books Icke provides the sources of information. So, I just want to know WHERE did he read about the Nazi base which is "still in operation today"?

Or was David Icke inside that Nazi base? :)

Nazi or non-Nazi, it's pretty much the same thing if you go high enough up the Pyramid. The Nazi may not officially be around anymore, but the ones who did control the Nazis during WWII still are.

[tinmenace]

I call the neocons nazis, cos that's exactly what they are.

[whitenight639]

Both polar areas show odd radiating lines extending out from a central point. I don't know what would cause that. The polar areas also appear fuzzy, as if out of focus but surrounding areas (outside of the boundaries of these pictures) are sharp. A possible cause of the fuzziness is a difference in subject distance from the lens. Another possible cause is image manipulation such as with PhotoShop.

graflok

nah im no expert but me thinks those lines are because of how the images are stitched together. bease the earth spins on its axis and the satalite is in orbit its hard to get a decent shot of the top and bottom if you can imagine that.

[december]

Nazi or non-Nazi, it's pretty much the same thing if you go high enough up the Pyramid. The Nazi may not officially be around anymore, but the ones who did control the Nazis during WWII still are.

David Icke wrote about those who have been running Germany till 1945.
So, how can we find out where did he read about a Nazi base which "is still is operation today"?

[them]

One of the less documented Antarctic expeditions is that of the Germans, using a vessel named Schwabenland

http://www.greendevils.pl/rozne/hyperborea/nowa_szwabia/schwabenland-ss.jpg

between December 1938 & April 1939. They visited the area shown in my climbing picture upstairs, Maud Land.

At that time Germany had a fleet of fifty Whale catchers & seven factory ships, Whaling provided many important products including glycerine. Not to mention an average of 492 532 barrels of Whale oil per annum!

http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/cnsphoto0303017.jpg

The German, & other fleets, Whaled of Maud Land & although the Norwegians are credited with it’s discovery, as December has pointed out, they had not claimed it through official Royal proclamation. Meanwhile Great Britain was charging Whaling concessions & restrictions on Whaling activity.

Germany wanted a piece of Antarctica for itself. So they mounted a secret expedition to claim a bit with a location suitable for the construction of a Whaling fleet base.

http://www.usmbooks.com/images/Actress%20Johannsen/Goering.jpg

Goering authorised it as part of the four year plan. Among the publicly avowed aims were a continuation of Erich von Drygalski’s ( http://www.south-pole.com/p0000085.htm) work above 90E & Wilhelm Filchner’s ( http://www.south-pole.com/p0000103.htm) work in the Weddell sea.

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~mstuding/figure1_weddell_sea.gif

It also had a classified agenda..

[i_am]

Maybe they are looking in the wrong place.



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7556/110hq8.gif (http://imageshack.us)


Edit: Yeaaay!!! I finally did it. Everytime I have tried to post an image it has not worked properly.

[tinmenace]

Yay! Well done!:)

Yes, the photos provided in this thread show that they're at 90North. This is hardly the north pole.

[december]

One of the less documented Antarctic expeditions is that of the Germans, using a vessel named Schwabenland


There are many articles in the Internet about it, but nobody claims that there is a Nazi base over there and that "it is still in operation today".

Maybe David Icke shoud write to Murmansk and ask for some info about the North pole?


The world’s biggest nuclear-powered icebreaker arrives in Murmansk, Russia.

http://img.rian.ru/images/6351/77/63517771.jpg

http://img.rian.ru/images/6351/78/63517831.jpg

The world’s biggest nuclear-powered icebreaker, 50 Years of Victory, arrives in Murmansk.

The 159-meter-long nuclear-powered icebreaker 50 Years of Victory has a 30-meter beam, a speed of 18 knots and a displacement 25,000 metric tons. The ship, which has a crew of 138, can crush 2.8-meter thick ice floes.

[december]

We live in 21 century and David Icke can use reliable sources and not fairy tales to write yet another fairy tale...

[them]

Goering wished to learn what strategic opportunities the Antarctic offered, and wanted to know about the functioning of aircraft at low temperatures.. knowledge that was to prove useful during the German invasion of the Soviet Union. The follow-up German expeditions of 1939–1940 & 1940–1941, which might have led to the construction of a base could not be carried out because of the outbreak of war. I have been unable to locate any German documents indicating that German activity continued in Dronning Maud Land after the Schwabenland expedition and during World War II. Indeed, there was no official German activity in Antarctica until after 1959 when the first Germans set foot in Dronning Maud Land with the Russian expedition to the Schirmacher Oasis.

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The British were active in Antarctica during the war, as part of its colonial aspirations, at that time Great Britain laid claim to the segment of Antarctica lying between longitudes 20°W and 80°W. That includes the Antarctic Peninsula and almost all of the surrounding islands, the South Shetland, South Orkney, South Sandwich Islands, and South Georgia, all of which became known collectively as the Falkland Islands Dependencies.

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Formal acquisition of these lands was promulgated by Letters Patent in 1908 (amended in 1917).

The next well-documented event bearing on this occurred early on 10 July 1945, two months after the German surrender, when a German U-boat, U-530, entered the Argentine naval base at Mar del Plata. Leutnant Otto Wermuth, the Captain of U-530, appears to have believed that he would be well received by the Argentines.

His arrival created much speculation.

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Goering wished to learn what strategic opportunities the Antarctic offered, and wanted to know about the functioning of aircraft at low temperatures.. knowledge that was to prove useful during the German invasion of the Soviet Union. The follow-up German expeditions of 1939–1940 & 1940–1941, which might have led to the construction of a base could not be carried out because of the outbreak of war. I have been unable to locate any German documents indicating that German activity continued in Dronning Maud Land after the Schwabenland expedition and during World War II. Indeed, there was no official German activity in Antarctica until after 1959 when the first Germans set foot in Dronning Maud Land with the Russian expedition to the Schirmacher Oasis.

Well...
It doesn't take much to RESEARCH the subject.
So, what David Icke has to say about it? Where is Nazi base, Mr. Icke?

:) :) :)

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The largest nuclear-powered icebreaker in the world has been put to sea and left St. Petersburg for Murmansk, the RIA-Novosti news agency quoted a spokesman for a St. Petersburg-based ship as saying.

The 50 Years of Victory icebreaker, which has been under construction since 1989 and was built at the Baltiisky Zavod ship factory, was successfully tested in February of this year.

“The icebreaker was launched on the Baltic Sea and set sail for its port of assignment in Murmansk [Russia’s north],” the spokesman said. “The icebreaker will follow a Northern Sea route for the ice channeling of vessels during the 2007 spring navigation period.”

An upgrade of the Arktika-class icebreaker, the 159-meter (522-foot) long and 30-meter (100-foot) wide vessel, with a deadweight of 25,000 metric tons, is designed to break through ice up to 2.8 meters deep (9.2 feet). It has a 138-man crew.

The Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker fleet, which is operated by the Murmansk Shipping Company, currently consists of five Arktika-class icebreakers (Arktika, Sibir, Rossiya, Sovetskiy Soyuz and Yamal), and two Taymyr-class river icebreakers (Taymyr and Vaygach).

According to experts, Russia will need six to 10 nuclear-powered icebreakers in the next 20 years, as demand for them grows with the development of the Arctic shelf and increased traffic along the Northern Sea route.

http://mosnews.com/news/2007/04/04/icebreaker.shtml



MURMANSK SHIPPING COMPANY
Murmansk Region

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The MURMANSK SHIPPING COMPANY (MSCo) has for about 60 years ensured all-year transport operations along the Northern Sea Route. The company's fleet comprises specialized and multi-purpose motor ships and bulk carriers, powerful diesel and atomic icebreakers, and the world's only nuclear-powered lighter-container carrier called "Sevmorput". Newly acquired have been five large bulk carriers with capacities from 42,000 to 48,000 tons.

Besides carrying passengers and cargoes by its own fleet and by chartered vessels and serving the Northern Sea Route with its icebreakers, the MURMANSK SHIPPING COMPANY renders intermediary services in the maintenance of ships. The company also organizes cruises in the high Arctic latitudes and to the North Pole.

Among the customers of the MURMANSK SHIPPING COMPANY are such industrial giants as the Norilsk Metal-Making Plant and the enterprises of the mining and smelting complex of the Kola Peninsula.

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The next well-documented event bearing on this occurred early on 10 July 1945, two months after the German surrender, when a German U-boat, U-530, entered the Argentine naval base at Mar del Plata. Leutnant Otto Wermuth, the Captain of U-530, appears to have believed that he would be well received by the Argentines.

His arrival created much speculation.

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OK...
David Icke, so why didn't leutnant Otto Wermuth go directly to Antarctica but sailed to Argentina instead?

[them]

Disregarding the news of Hitler's suicide on 30 April, many believed that U-530 had somehow spirited Hitler out of Germany and had landed either in Patagonia or ‘New Berchtesgaden’ in Antarctica.

On 16 July, a detailed account of Hitler's supposed flight and hiding place in Dronning Maud Land, Antarctica, was published in the Argentine newspaper La Critica, by Ladislas Szabo. Speculation increased when U-977, under the command of Oberleutnant Heinz Schaeffer, appeared at Mar del Plata on 17 August.

Wermuth and Schaeffer and their crews became POW's and interrogated by the Argentine Navy, the US Navy, and the Royal Navy. Eventually, the interrogators were satisfied that the late arrival of the submarines in the South Atlantic was entirely innocuous. Wermuth and Schaeffer were released.

That did not stop speculation.

In his 1947 book Hitler is alive, Szabo claimed that both submarines were part of a submarine convoy that had taken Hitler and other senior figures from the Third Reich to Antarctica, where ‘New Berchtesgaden’ had been set up in 1938–39 by Schwabenland, on the orders of Admiral Donitz.

Despite Schaeffer's denials, the rumour continued to spread.

Buechner and Bernhart provided a different version, claiming that Hitler had indeed died in his bunker in Berlin, but that U-977 had then transported his ashes to Antarctica, in convoy with other submarines, en route to Mar del Plata. The ashes were deposited along with other Nazi treasures packed in six bronze, lead-lined boxes that had been landed in Dronning Maud Land by U-530, and placed in a ‘very special natural ice cave in the Mohlig-Hofmann Mountains’. Bernhart claimed to have been one of the crew of U-530, although his name is not on the U-530 manifest provided by the Argentine Navy.

‘New Berchtesgaden’ appears, like the phantom convoy, to be the brainchild of Szabo, and has been a favourite element of Nazi mythology ever since. Several writers, including Icke, accept the existence of the supposed base... and that there was a conspiracy to suppress information about it, each of them building on the one before, they go on to suggest that US forces attacked the German base during Operation Highjump in the southern summer of 1946–1947, that those forces were repulsed by the secret weapons of the German defenders, and that as a result the US forces had to leave the area sooner than planned.

The tale has become more elaborate with the passage of time.

A different version of these events has recently been published in a trilogy entitled Britain's secret war in Antarctica, it claims not only that there was indeed a secret German base in Dronning Maud Land during World War II, but also that the British spied on it from their own secret base in Dronning Maud Land. It claims that the British Army's SAS attacked and tried to destroy the German base around Christmas 1945. According to the author, that attempt was ineffective. The German base was finally destroyed by secretly exploding three atomic bombs above it in 1958 as part of the activities of the IGY… Morover, it claims that the truth about the German base and the attacks on it by Britain and the United States have been deliberately suppressed by the US and British governments.

This supposed suppression he describes as ‘A travesty of history’.

What if the claims were true?

The propositions of Szabo, and the others listed below would be fascinating for history and for science. Indeed, there is an element of truth in all of these tales…

The Germans did intend to build a base in Dronning Maud Land. There were secret British bases in Antarctica during Word War II. Operation Highjump was primarily a military exercise whose results were initially classified and hidden from public view. Three secret nuclear explosions did take place in the general region in 1958. But can these facts be woven into a comprehensive tale with a common thread, as Robert, Stevens, Farrell, Friedrich, Mattern and Choron would have us believe? Or are they merely groundless parts of the Hitler survival legend of Nazi mythology as Goodrick-Clarke suggests?

Robert, J. 2005a. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 1. Nexus Magazine 12(5). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar1.html

Robert, J. 2005b. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 2. Nexus Magazine 12(6). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar2.html

Robert, J. 2005c. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 3. Nexus Magazine 13(1). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar3.html

Farrell, J.P. 2005. Reich of the black sun. Kempton, Illinois: Adventures Unlimited Press.

Friedrich, C. 1979. Germany's Antarctic claim: secret Nazi polar expeditions. Toronto: Samisdat Publishers.

Choron, E.J. (date unkown), How high can you jump? Operation Highjump and the ‘UFO’ connection. URL: http://www.rense.com/general35/op.htm.

Mattern, W. 1974 UFO's Unbekanntes Flugobjekt. Letzte Geheimwaffe des Dritten Reiches? Toronto: Samisdat Press.

Mattern, W. and C. Friedrich. 1975. UFO's: Nazi secret weapon? Toronto: Samisdat Pubs. Ltd.

Goodrick-Clarke, N. 2002. Black sun: aryan cults, esoteric Nazism and the politics of identity. New York: New York University Press.

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Thank you for the information, Them.


Sailing from Murmansk (Russia), we head north through dense, multi pack ice to the North Pole, a worthy goal for our amazing ship....

READ MORE -

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[them]

Thank you for the information, Them.

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No problem, December. It's my pleasure.

An old mate who works for - http://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/ - sent me this - http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&fid=979040&jid=&volumeId=&issueId=&aid=648112#ref070

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No problem, December. It's my pleasure.

Well, thanks again for all that information, Them.
I wish I have time to look for it myself...


An old mate who works for - http://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/ - sent me this - http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&fid=979040&jid=&volumeId=&issueId=&aid=648112#ref070

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Holy ....!!

Just take a look at the list of these authors!!!! And none of them claimed that the Nazis "established an underground base in Antarctica towards the end of the war which is still in operation today.

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Anderson, J.B. 1991. The Antarctic continental shelf: results from marine geological and geophysical investigations. In: R.J. Tingey (editor). The geology of Antarctica. Oxford: Clarendon Press (Oxford Monographs on Geology and Geophysics 17): 284–334.

Anderson, J.B. 1999. Antarctic marine geology. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Barton, M.X. 1960. We want you: is Hitler alive? Los Angeles: Futura Press.

Barton, M.X. 1968. The German saucer story. Los Angeles: Futura Press.

Bayliss, E.P. 1939. Antarctica. 1:10,000,000 map. Canberra: Property and Survey Branch, Department of the Interior.

Bayliss, E.P., and J.S. Cumpston. 1939. Map of Antarctica: handbook and index. Canberra: Department of External Affairs.

Bell, R.E., M. Studinger, M.A. Fahnestock, and C.A. Shuman. 2006. Tectonically controlled subglacial lakes on the flanks of the Gamburtsev subglacial mountains, East Antarctica. Geophysical Research Letters 33: L02504 doi: 10.1029/2005GL025207.


Bentley, C.R. 1991 Configuration and structure of the subglacial crust. In R.J. Tingey (editor). The geology of Antarctica. Oxford: Clarendon Press (Oxford Monographs on Geology and Geophysics 17): 335–364.

Bertrand, K.J. 1967. A look at Operation Highjump twenty years later. Antarctic Journal of the United States 2(1): 5–12.


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Blair, C. 1996. Hitler's U-boat war: the hunters, 1939–1942. New York: Random House.

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Brunk, K. 1986. Kartographische Arbeiten und deutsche Namengebung in Neuschwabenland, Antarktis. Bisherige Arbeiten, Rekonstruktion der Flugwege der Deutschen Antarktischen Expedition 1938/39 und Neubearbeitung des deutschen Namensgutes in Neuschwabenland. Frankfurt-am-Main: Institut fr Angewandte Geodsie (Geodtischen Komommission der Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, Reihe E, Heft Nr. 24, Teil I, II).

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Buechner, H.A., and W. Bernhard. 1989. Hitler's ashes. Metairie, Louisiana: Thunderbird Press.

Byrd, R.E. 1947. Our navy explores Antarctica. National Geographic Magazine (4): 429–522.

Choron, E.J. (date unkown), How high can you jump? Operation Highjump and the ‘UFO’ connection. URL:
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Christensen, L. 1935. Such is the Antarctic. London: Hodder and Stoughton.

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Friedrich, C. 1979. Germany's Antarctic claim: secret Nazi polar expeditions. Toronto: Samisdat Publishers.

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Goodrick-Clarke, N. 2002. Black sun: aryan cults, esoteric Nazism and the politics of identity. New York: New York University Press.

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Headland, R.K. In press. A chronology of Antarctic exploration.

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Mattern, W. 1974 UFO's Unbekanntes Flugobjekt. Letzte Geheimwaffe des Dritten Reiches? Toronto: Samisdat Press.

Mattern, W. and C. Friedrich. 1975. UFO's: Nazi secret weapon? Toronto: Samisdat Pubs. Ltd.

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http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar1.html

Robert, J. 2005b. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 2. Nexus Magazine 12(6). URL:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar2.html

Robert, J. 2005c. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 3. Nexus Magazine 13(1). URL:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar3.html

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We can also contact these institutions -

International sea ice survey success

The Sea Ice Remote Sensing Validation Experiment on Voyage 1 (2003) was a survey of sea ice and snow cover conditions in the region bounded by 64–65°S and 112–119°E. The purpose of this survey was to obtain data to validate and help improve the algorithms used to derive sea ice geophysical products from a variety of new satellite sensors. This program involved considerable international collaboration with groups from institutions in Belgium, China, Germany, Japan and USA. participating in the voyage. This program was completely successful and one of the more gratifying outcomes that arose from it was the strong integration of the efforts of the teams from different institutions, and the extensive opportunities for future scientific collaboration that have resulted from the work.

There were 27 scientists associated with this project; 20 from overseas institutes. The institutes represented were:

Australia –Australian Antarctic Division, Cooperative Research Centre for Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems, University of Tasmania

Japan –Kitami University, Chiba University, Hokkaido University

Belgium –Université Libre de Bruxelles

USA – The University of Kansas, University of Florida, University of Colorado, New York University, National Aeronautics and Space Administration

China –Polar Research Institute of China

Germany –Alfred Wegener Institute

Ian Allison, Glaciology Program Leader, AAD & ACE CRC

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In early Augast, 2006, the Russian nuclear icebreaker Yamal plows through pack ice to the North Pole....

Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5732099147804585690&q=To+the+North+Pole&hl=en

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[midwich cuckoo]

Of course these people are not going to show you pictures of a large hole leading to a secret underground base or whatever are they?. :rolleyes:

These pictures mean nothing.

Why are you so obsessed with trying to debunk David Icke, are you being paid to do so or what?.

[december]

Why are you so obsessed with trying to debunk David Icke, are you being paid to do so or what?.

Hello, midwich cuckoo.

Gee!!!!
What makes you think that I am "trying to debunk David Icke"? :confused:
Come on! Don't be like some teenage girl...

I want to discus the information which he presented and I want to find out more...

[adramelech]

Of course these people are not going to show you pictures of a large hole leading to a secret underground base or whatever are they?. :rolleyes:

These pictures mean nothing.

Why are you so obsessed with trying to debunk David Icke, are you being paid to do so or what?.

This guy is a troll from the old forum who can be easily identified by a blind, patriotic obsession with Russia and absolutely horrible English and communication skills.

I'm not sure whether he's a troll intentionally or unintentionally, but he's a troll all the same. When choosing to "debunk" a conspiracy topic discussed by David Icke, he'll use every official source and name available and claim that as proof. When he's discussing the conspiracy theories that he himself believes, such as the claims of Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko regarding alternative history or Russia fighting against the New World Order, he will ignore the mountains of "official" sources debunking them and instead opt for the same alternative explanations he calls invalid in the former argument.

It's just a big headache of bizarre circular reasoning, don't bother.

[december]

This guy is a troll from the old forum who can be easily identified by a blind, patriotic obsession with Russia and absolutely horrible English and communication skills.

I'm not sure whether he's a troll intentionally or unintentionally, but he's a troll all the same. When choosing to "debunk" a conspiracy topic discussed by David Icke, he'll use every official source and name available and claim that as proof. When he's discussing the conspiracy theories that he himself believes, such as the claims of Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko regarding alternative history or Russia fighting against the New World Order, he will ignore the mountains of "official" sources debunking them and instead opt for the same alternative explanations he calls invalid in the former argument.

It's just a big headache of bizarre circular reasoning, don't bother.

Thank you for the valuable information, a man with a reptile eye.

Now... Is there anything you can say about the subject?

[the festival spirit]

From this thread

> HERE < (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46222#post46222)

Man made global warning, fact and fiction?

No Wonder the ice is melting!

On the one hand I do believe that 'man' is to blame for some global warming, but please, if I am going to be taxed for it, especially when the govt's are purposely and admittedly, making it worse, for money, Please check out the two links before you take my word for it.

The first is how 'America' polluted Greenland way back in in 1968, 'with an enormous amount of weapons-grade plutonium' which melted through the ice, and probably at least one of the 4 (four) nukes is now thought to be just lying there on the sea bed.

> HERE < (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6647421.stm)

Secondly, How the 'US and EU agree 'single market' ' The two sides also signed an Open Skies deal, designed to reduce fares and boost traffic on transatlantic flights. The pact is designed to boost trade and investment by harmonising regulatory standards, laying the basis for a US-EU single market.

Harmonising? yeah right, we know!

> HERE < (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6607757.stm)

SO they bullshit us into paying taxes for man made global warning when they are actively creating even more of the things that 'we' are supposed to be responsible (and paying) for when the big companies are making Millions of £$


and on the other hand, nature is doing her bit in bigger ways than we are.

[lemonique]

Hi Troops, I'm not a scholar on this subject at all, but without a solid spinning molten hot core in the centre of the Earth, wouldn't that completely stuff up the magnetics of the planet?? The core is a mixture of molten and solid iron that (and I am quoting this stuff) essentially acts as a Moon sized dynamo, creating a giant electromagnetic field that squirts out of the poles, coalesces in the same basic pattern that iron filings do around a bar magnet, and bulges far into the atmosphere.
Kotze explained that the interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), essentially the magnetic field that emamates from the Sun, also influences the magnetosphere's size and shape. etc etc

I'll send you this link to have a read from..

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/article.php?category=3&article=54
Hutton Commentaries

Interesting subject. I too am open minded to the possibility of a Hollow Earth..but somehow I don't think so.
Cheers

[them]

At least if the earth is hollow it will solve the problem of where all that water will go as sea levels rise...

http://k43.pbase.com/v3/90/447790/2/50401592.Whirlpool.jpg

In fact, maybe that's why they're trying to stop global warming

[december]

If Earth is hollow than there will be NO Magnetic Field.
But there is.

:)

http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL98116.gif

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/Images/magnetic_earth.gif

What is a Magnetic Field?

Magnetism has been known for thousands of years, though until relatively recently (ca. 1820) the only magnets were naturally occurring magnetic rocks called "lodestones" (magnetite). The word "magnetism" derives from the district of Magnesia in Asia Minor where lodestones were found. These lodestones were observed to attract bits of iron, just like a kitchen magnet which is attracted to your refrigerator door. The space around the magnet is the site of the magnetic field, where the magnetic force is felt by the bit of iron. At each point around the magnet, the magnetic field has both a strength and a direction.

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/what.html

[december]

Disregarding the news of Hitler's suicide on 30 April, many believed that U-530 had somehow spirited Hitler out of Germany and had landed either in Patagonia or ‘New Berchtesgaden’ in Antarctica.

On 16 July, a detailed account of Hitler's supposed flight and hiding place in Dronning Maud Land, Antarctica, was published in the Argentine newspaper La Critica, by Ladislas Szabo. Speculation increased when U-977, under the command of Oberleutnant Heinz Schaeffer, appeared at Mar del Plata on 17 August.

Wermuth and Schaeffer and their crews became POW's and interrogated by the Argentine Navy, the US Navy, and the Royal Navy. Eventually, the interrogators were satisfied that the late arrival of the submarines in the South Atlantic was entirely innocuous. Wermuth and Schaeffer were released.

That did not stop speculation.

In his 1947 book Hitler is alive, Szabo claimed that both submarines were part of a submarine convoy that had taken Hitler and other senior figures from the Third Reich to Antarctica, where ‘New Berchtesgaden’ had been set up in 1938–39 by Schwabenland, on the orders of Admiral Donitz.

Despite Schaeffer's denials, the rumour continued to spread.

Buechner and Bernhart provided a different version, claiming that Hitler had indeed died in his bunker in Berlin, but that U-977 had then transported his ashes to Antarctica, in convoy with other submarines, en route to Mar del Plata. The ashes were deposited along with other Nazi treasures packed in six bronze, lead-lined boxes that had been landed in Dronning Maud Land by U-530, and placed in a ‘very special natural ice cave in the Mohlig-Hofmann Mountains’. Bernhart claimed to have been one of the crew of U-530, although his name is not on the U-530 manifest provided by the Argentine Navy.

‘New Berchtesgaden’ appears, like the phantom convoy, to be the brainchild of Szabo, and has been a favourite element of Nazi mythology ever since. Several writers, including Icke, accept the existence of the supposed base... and that there was a conspiracy to suppress information about it, each of them building on the one before, they go on to suggest that US forces attacked the German base during Operation Highjump in the southern summer of 1946–1947, that those forces were repulsed by the secret weapons of the German defenders, and that as a result the US forces had to leave the area sooner than planned.

The tale has become more elaborate with the passage of time.

A different version of these events has recently been published in a trilogy entitled Britain's secret war in Antarctica, it claims not only that there was indeed a secret German base in Dronning Maud Land during World War II, but also that the British spied on it from their own secret base in Dronning Maud Land. It claims that the British Army's SAS attacked and tried to destroy the German base around Christmas 1945. According to the author, that attempt was ineffective. The German base was finally destroyed by secretly exploding three atomic bombs above it in 1958 as part of the activities of the IGY… Morover, it claims that the truth about the German base and the attacks on it by Britain and the United States have been deliberately suppressed by the US and British governments.

This supposed suppression he describes as ‘A travesty of history’.

What if the claims were true?

The propositions of Szabo, and the others listed below would be fascinating for history and for science. Indeed, there is an element of truth in all of these tales…

The Germans did intend to build a base in Dronning Maud Land. There were secret British bases in Antarctica during Word War II. Operation Highjump was primarily a military exercise whose results were initially classified and hidden from public view. Three secret nuclear explosions did take place in the general region in 1958. But can these facts be woven into a comprehensive tale with a common thread, as Robert, Stevens, Farrell, Friedrich, Mattern and Choron would have us believe? Or are they merely groundless parts of the Hitler survival legend of Nazi mythology as Goodrick-Clarke suggests?

Robert, J. 2005a. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 1. Nexus Magazine 12(5). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar1.html

Robert, J. 2005b. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 2. Nexus Magazine 12(6). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar2.html

Robert, J. 2005c. Britain's secret war in Antarctica, Part 3. Nexus Magazine 13(1). URL: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/SecretWar3.html

Farrell, J.P. 2005. Reich of the black sun. Kempton, Illinois: Adventures Unlimited Press.

Friedrich, C. 1979. Germany's Antarctic claim: secret Nazi polar expeditions. Toronto: Samisdat Publishers.

Choron, E.J. (date unkown), How high can you jump? Operation Highjump and the ‘UFO’ connection. URL: http://www.rense.com/general35/op.htm.

Mattern, W. 1974 UFO's Unbekanntes Flugobjekt. Letzte Geheimwaffe des Dritten Reiches? Toronto: Samisdat Press.

Mattern, W. and C. Friedrich. 1975. UFO's: Nazi secret weapon? Toronto: Samisdat Pubs. Ltd.

Goodrick-Clarke, N. 2002. Black sun: aryan cults, esoteric Nazism and the politics of identity. New York: New York University Press.



Hyperboreans and the Nazi Connection

Hyperboreans consistently play a large role in Nazi, neo-nazi, and proto-nazi mysticism.

Miguel Serrano was a Chilean diplomat and major proponent of Esoteric Hitlerism. He believed that Hitler fled to Shambhala, an underground centre in Antarctica after World War II (formerly at the North Pole and Tibet), where he was in contact with the Hyperborean gods and from whence he would someday emerge with a fleet of UFOs to lead the forces of light (the Hyperboreans, sometimes associated with Vril) over the forces of darkness (inevitably including, for Serrano, the Jews) in a last battle and inaugurating a Fourth Reich. He also connected the Aryans and their Hyperborean gods to the Sun and the Allies and the Jews to the Moon.

http://bama.ua.edu/~chron001/

http://www.savitridevi.org/images/serrano.jpg


Miguel Serrano (born September 10, 1917) is a retired Chilean diplomat, explorer and author of poetry, books on spiritual questing and esoteric Hitlerism.

Serrano's extraordinarily forceful and anti-modernist neo-Gnostic philosophy elucidates the otherworldly origin of the Hyperborean-descended Aryans, image-bearers of the godhead, and a global conspiracy against them by an evil inferior godlet, the Demiurge, worshipped by the Jews, lord of planet Earth, spawner of the primitive hominid stocks and all base materiality. He synthesizes the Hindu-Vedic and Nordic traditions, both of which he regards as of ancient Aryan-Hyperborean provenance. Serrano is especially indebted to the Jungian theory of collective racial archetypes and follows Savitri Devi in recognizing Adolf Hitler as an avatar who battled against the demonic materialistic hosts of the Kali Yuga.

Miguel Serrano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[supertzar]

December, Stewart Swerdlow is presumably one of the researchers David Icke speaks of in regards to the underground polar base. Lake Vostok is an underground lake near the South Pole. There is a base there according to Swerdlow.

[december]

December, Stewart Swerdlow is presumably one of the researchers David Icke speaks of in regards to the underground polar base. Lake Vostok is an underground lake near the South Pole. There is a base there according to Swerdlow.

Supertzar, yes, there is a base overthere, but it is Russian base.


Lake Vostok (Russian: восток, "east") is the largest of more than 140 subglacial lakes found under the surface of Earth's southern-most continent— Antarctica. It is located at 77° S 105° E, beneath Russia's Vostok Station, 4000 metres (13,000 feet) under the surface of the central Antarctic ice sheet. It is 250 km long by 50 km wide at its widest point, thus similar in size to Lake Ontario, and is divided into two deep basins by a ridge. The water over the ridge is about 200 m (650 feet) deep, compared to roughly 400 m (1,300 feet) deep in the northern basin and 800 m (2,600 feet) deep in the southern. Lake Vostok covers an area of 15,690 km² (6,058 mi²). It has an estimated volume of 5400 km³ (1,300 cubic miles) and consists of fresh water. The average depth is 344 m. In May 2005 an island was found in the center of the lake.

Lake Vostok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Besides, how could the Nazis set up a base in that lake when it was discovered only in 1977?

An underground Antarctic lake near to the Russian Vostok Station, discovered in 1977 during an airborne radio-echo survey of ice depths over central East Antarctica. In 1993, altimetry measurements from the ERS-1 satellite verified the lake's existence and extent, confirming it to be by far the largest deep sub-ice body of water on the planet. In 1996, Russian and British scientists combined radio sounding, altimetric, and seismic data to provide the most comprehensive picture of the lake currently available.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/V/VostokLake.html

[supertzar]

He is saying that the lake is cavernous and that there is an underground base there. His actual words for who is there are "the Fourth Reich."

[december]

Do you have a link?

[supertzar]

Just use google. It's not "my" information and I don't want to put myself into a position to "defend" it, if you know what I mean. Google: swerdlow vostok

[truth_junkie]

The north pole is frozen over, and even in the summer it melts only in parts.
That is the one thing about Google Earth that I've never understood. Why are they not disclosing honest images?
The pattern of radiating lines looks to me like what you get when you are using a 3D modeling program and you map a 2D texture onto a sphere. The lines at the poles would show those kind of seams (depending on which type of mapping you select).
The significance: this does not look like photography, but rather 3D modeling.

[december]

So, if Earth is hollow can it has a Magnetic Field?


http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL98116.gif

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/Images/magnetic_earth.gif

What is a Magnetic Field?

Magnetism has been known for thousands of years, though until relatively recently (ca. 1820) the only magnets were naturally occurring magnetic rocks called "lodestones" (magnetite). The word "magnetism" derives from the district of Magnesia in Asia Minor where lodestones were found. These lodestones were observed to attract bits of iron, just like a kitchen magnet which is attracted to your refrigerator door. The space around the magnet is the site of the magnetic field, where the magnetic force is felt by the bit of iron. At each point around the magnet, the magnetic field has both a strength and a direction.

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/what.html

[supertzar]

It would be a good idea to actually take the time to understand what Hollow Earth advocates are saying. That way you could answer your own questions. There is supposed to be a crust on the inside of the Earth. Think of a hollow bead to get the shape of the crust, inside and out. Between the inner and outer crust (one continuous crust, actually) is the molten metal. Movement of the molten metal creates the magnetic field.

[december]

It would be a good idea to actually take the time to understand what Hollow Earth advocates are saying.

Take "The Biggest Secret", find the chapter Hollow Earth and read it.

[the festival spirit]

How many of you jave clicked on the link in a quote i put on this thread, It looks ilike this > HERE < there should be two actually.

[supertzar]

Take "The Biggest Secret", find the chapter Hollow Earth and read it.

I've read that. Have you read any of the books he refers to?

[december]

I've read that.

Well, than you should know "what Hollow Earth advocates are saying".
Correct?

Also, you need to check the very first page of this thread to see how the Hollow Earth look like. :)



Have you read any of the books he refers to?


Are asking me about Jules Verne's Journey To The Center Of The Earth?
If you are than yes, I did read that book.

[supertzar]

Well, than you should know "what Hollow Earth advocates are saying".
Correct?

Also, you need to check the very first page of this thread to see how the Hollow Earth look like. :)


Have you read what Swerdlow says about it after repeatedly asking who Icke got his info from? Some other good reads on the subject are 'This Hollow Earth' by Eric Norman and 'The Hollow Earth' by Raymond Bernard. If you are truly interested in the Hollow Earth Theory, those would be a good starting point.

The drawing you are talking about is exactly how Swerdlow and others describe it except for the absence of molten metal between the inner and outer crusts in the drawing. Anyway, do you understand how there could be a magnetic field around the hollow Earth I have described? It seems you ask questions repeatedly, then when they are answered, you are silent.



Are asking me about Jules Verne's Journey To The Center Of The Earth?
If you are than yes, I did read that book.

I'll have to check TBS to see if that is the only book/author referenced in the Hollow Earth section. What I really mean is have you read much about it besides TBS?

[december]

Well, so far nobody explained why is there a magnetic field in hollow Earth...
How could it be?...

:)

[them]

I've found somebody else who believed the earth was hollow..

Edmond Halley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/9/96/200px-Edmond_Halley_Royal_Greenwich_Observatory_Museum.j pg

THE HOLLOW WORLD OF EDMOND HALLEY FRS

N. Kollerstrom

Jnl. for History of Astronomy 1992, 23, 185-192

Newton’s Lunar Density Estimate

Three hundred years ago in 1692, an article by Edmond Halley proposed that the Earth was hollow.(1) Its theory was based on the value of lunar relative density given by Isaac Newton. The first edition of Newton’s Principia (1687) found that “... the mass of the Moon will be to the mass of the Earth as 1 to 26, approximately”, citing the relative densities of Moon to Earth as 9 to 5.(2) This value of lunar relative mass was in excess by a factor of three, as the true mass ratio is 1:81. Arguably the most significant error in the Principia’s Book III, it left an ultra-dense Moon circling our Earth.(3) Edmond Halley simply invoked these figures: “Sir Isaac Newton has demonstrated the Moon to be more solid than our Earth, as 9 to 5; why may we not then suppose four ninths of our globe to be cavity?”(4) It is remarkable that so erroneous a figure, having such unlikely implications, could be thus presented without need for further justification. Halley’s theory appeared as the first significant deduction to be drawn from the Principia.

Newton’s estimate of lunar relative density was derived from the relative tide*raising powers of the Sun and Moon.... and so on.

Link - http://www.ucl.ac.uk/sts/nk/halleyhollow.htm

[jaanus]

So, if Earth is hollow can it has a Magnetic Field?


http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL98116.gif

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/Images/magnetic_earth.gif

What is a Magnetic Field?

Magnetism has been known for thousands of years, though until relatively recently (ca. 1820) the only magnets were naturally occurring magnetic rocks called "lodestones" (magnetite). The word "magnetism" derives from the district of Magnesia in Asia Minor where lodestones were found. These lodestones were observed to attract bits of iron, just like a kitchen magnet which is attracted to your refrigerator door. The space around the magnet is the site of the magnetic field, where the magnetic force is felt by the bit of iron. At each point around the magnet, the magnetic field has both a strength and a direction.

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/what.html

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i760172_Untitled.gif

Don't be a troll and please try to think for yourself.

This is what magnetic fields might look like if the earth would be hollow. Also there are theories that there is inner sun which could radiate electromagnetic fields also, but you don't want to hear anything about it do you, so I wont expand this subject any further.

The lines on that hand-drawn picture are magnetic field wannabes :) and yes I was sober when I was drawing this, just that my hands get really shaky because each time I see a troll, I want to strange somebody. Peace :)

[supertzar]

Well, so far nobody explained why is there a magnetic field in hollow Earth...
How could it be?...

:)

Liar or not all there?

[december]

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i760172_Untitled.gif

This is what magnetic fields might look like if the earth would be hollow.

jaanus, I am not asking how the magnetic field would LOOK like.

[jaanus]

jaanus, I am not asking how the magnetic field would LOOK like.

Soo...what are you asking then? How could there be a magnetic field if there is not a core rotating?

Maybe there is indeed an inner sun inside the core which generates the magnetics or perhaps the crust is a static magnet which gets charged every once and a while by our Sun.

I really can't answer your question as I have never been inside the earth nor am I a geologists (i'm just a God for God sake :)), but they say even on these forums that there are endless possibilities, never dismiss anything without knowing and never believe anything without knowing. Thats the best answer I could give you.

There is also another saying "1 troll can ask more questions than 100 wise men to answer them". (don't be insulted, my jokes are lame and I know it, but hey, thats who I am) Don't hesitate to ask any questions, I'm just saying that there are many questions you can answer yourself and some questions are better not to be asked as nobody really knows them anyway and if they gave the answers should you believe them?

Edit: Oh and please don't try to make everyone believe in things that you really can't be sure of. Believing blindly in something is the current curse of humanity. Question everything and try to seek your own truth.

Peace.

[adimon]

Please remember how we found out about the mantle and the core in the first place = by using sound.

I totally support December's point that if Icke is going to be so bold as to say there is a secret Nazi base at the South Pole, then he should corroborate that statement.

What I would like to know is this - what made people think there was a hollow earth, internal sun & other races living down there in the first place? OK, a theory has been developed, but airlocks under the ocean aside, why?

[horus21]

If Earth is hollow than there will be NO Magnetic Field.
But there is.

:)

http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL98116.gif

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/Images/magnetic_earth.gif

What is a Magnetic Field?

Magnetism has been known for thousands of years, though until relatively recently (ca. 1820) the only magnets were naturally occurring magnetic rocks called "lodestones" (magnetite). The word "magnetism" derives from the district of Magnesia in Asia Minor where lodestones were found. These lodestones were observed to attract bits of iron, just like a kitchen magnet which is attracted to your refrigerator door. The space around the magnet is the site of the magnetic field, where the magnetic force is felt by the bit of iron. At each point around the magnet, the magnetic field has both a strength and a direction.

http://solar.physics.montana.edu/YPOP/Spotlight/Magnetic/what.html

You obviously know nothing about magnetism and the laws which revolve around it. It would in theory be IMPOSSIBLE for a magnetic field to be active, stable or even there for as long as it has been with such a design, There has to be balance, and with the claim of a solid earth there could be none with the explanations provided for our earths magnetic fields, also it would not be holding itself on its axis, as the axis would be in conflict with itself continiously which would either rip the earth apart from the inside out, implode it due to mineral and gas attributes or fly out of the solar system like a boiled egg rolling down a hill....

There is a far more intelligent solution to making these problems work eachother out, ask a true scientist. If the earth is hollow as we all would like to believe, then it is truly well designed, any other way info contradicts itself, and adds insult to working technology, scientific research and anything which can be applied to any magnetic principle, balance and energy which recurs through itself via a ingenious energy grid propelled by magnetism, hence the magnetic field we so delightfully have here on earth. (As the laws of gravity, physics, magnetism and life would require this earth to be hollow, if it were not todays technology would be completely different, not to mention all of our scientific laws revolving around the topic. Probably a little difficult for somebody like yourself to grasp onto...

There is much controversy on this topic, its amazing how you can be so sure you live on a solid rock.

[adimon]

You obviously know nothing about magnetism and the laws which revolve around it. It would in theory be IMPOSSIBLE for a magnetic field to be active, stable or even there for as long as it has been with such a design, There has to be balance, and with the claim of a solid earth there could be none with the explanations provided for our earths magnetic fields, also it would not be holding itself on its axis, as the axis would be in conflict with itself continiously which would either rip the earth apart from the inside out, implode it due to mineral and gas attributes or fly out of the solar system like a boiled egg rolling down a hill....

There is a far more intelligent solution to making these problems work eachother out, ask a true scientist. If the earth is hollow as we all would like to believe, then it is truly well designed, any other way info contradicts itself, and adds insult to working technology, scientific research and anything which can be applied to any magnetic principle, balance and energy which recurs through itself via a ingenious energy grid propelled by magnetism, hence the magnetic field we so delightfully have here on earth. (As the laws of gravity, physics, magnetism and life would require this earth to be hollow, if it were not todays technology would be completely different, not to mention all of our scientific laws revolving around the topic. Probably a little difficult for somebody like yourself to grasp onto...

There is much controversy on this topic, its amazing how you can be so sure you live on a solid rock.

If you're looking to dispute the accepted science on this, could you please quote your sources?

[woghd]

This hollow earth theory is supported by what evidence exactly?

Why do no other planets have this? I've looked at Mars through an extremely powerful telescope and don't remember seeing any holes...maybe they were plugged?

And this tiny inner sun, how does it hold together while remaining burning? Why are there no tiny planets around it, and how do plants of the inner earth perform photosythesis without a nightfall?

How does a hollow earth form? Like a soapbubble? Where did the polar holes come from? How did those form?

How does the ocean water stay topside? If it went into the hole, would it extinguish that tiny inner sun?

How do polar sattellites orbit over the poles, considering the massive disruption of gravity that must occur...

Is there a la-grange gravity area between the inner surface and the tiny inner sun? Why isn't it filled with a bunch of crap?

I'm interested in seeing what the magnetic field and gravity field of the planet actually look like. Can you draw a crude sketch for me?

How did the tiny sun form? Why didn't it absorb the rest of the planet material as it formed?

Is this theory based on science? or Magic?

Archangel

[december]

I am so glad to see new good and thoughtful members in this forum.
Thank you, horus21, adimon and woghd for posting...

Please check my other related to this subject thread -
The Nazis underground base in Antarctica? in Illuminati / Secret Societies forum -
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2514

:)

[woghd]

I seriously hope that someone can answer my questions. I hope that none of my hollow-earth freinds think I'm being confrontational. I have genuine interest in this. And I hope somebody can accomidate me in a loving freindly way.

I could believe in a depression or something like that at the poles, but I can't wrap my mind around a completely hollow earth with it's own sun.

Archangel

[december]

I seriously hope that someone can answer my questions. I hope that none of my hollow-earth freinds think I'm being confrontational. I have genuine interest in this. And I hope somebody can accomidate me in a loving freindly way.

I could believe in a depression or something like that at the poles, but I can't wrap my mind around a completely hollow earth with it's own sun.

Archangel

And I am still waiting for the answer in this thread -

The Nazis underground base in Antarctica? (in Illuminati / Secret Societies forum) -
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2514

:)

[adimon]

And I am still waiting for the answer in this thread -

The Nazis underground base in Antarctica? (in Illuminati / Secret Societies forum) -
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2514

:)

You won't get it either. They're totally full of shit.

Listen, I apologise if it seemed like I was inflammatory yesterday. I think I understand where you're coming from, but I really don't believe the white population is under threat generally. If the Russian population is dwindling, that's a shame, but it's a matter for Russians to discuss and deal with.

I'm pretty sure that you're not a racist like those idiots on the holocaust denial threads. I'd just advise you to be wary of being associated with them.

And I also apologise for saying 'I was wrong about you.'

I still think you're a decent poster here, I just hope you can take my points on board, and I will take yours on board.

If you really think the Russian problems are NWO intentions, then I suggest your subsequent posts are set up in a neutral way, so as to encourage investigation and research, rather than launch a racial argument, because sometimes you can come across as sounding a little too 'patriotic shall we say.

But I'm not knocking you mate, I hope you accept my apology and we can move on.

[kblood]

Seems the Nazi probably had some idea about it, if it wasnt them themselves:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096&q=ufo+illuminati

According to this video, the Nazi and their secret occult societies found many secrets that they kept very much to themselves. The black sun, the SS and other secret societies began making new kinds of planes.

It seems that at the end of WW2, Germany had UFOs and zero-point energy at their disposal. These UFOs might have gone to the south pole where there might be a secret base. The south pole was even attack by a huge fleet, who quickly lost several planes, and had to give up finding them.

It sounds like the Nazi might have had aliens helping them so they could make this technology possible. Many english and US pilots have reports of fighting invincible "fireballs". These UFOs can make 90 degree turns instantly, and easily outmanouvered british and english aircrafts.

I found the link in the UFO thread. It is well worth watching.

The video linked here shows about what the nazi probably had to hide on the Antartic base. I believe Icke wrote about the hollow earth theory because it could explain some of the other unexplainable things. As far as I know the chapter 12 in "The Biggest Secret" is mostly refering to other sources about hollow earth theory. I dont remember Icke saying or writing that he fully believes the hollow earth theory himself.

I do not know if hollow earth theory is true, but I do know that there is more than one theory about it. I also know that there are alot of secret underground cavesystems around our globe. Same goes for Mars aparantly from what I have read. You guys actually think we would be able to find them with a telescope? For some reason NASA have tried to keep it secret that oxygen has been found or have been very likely to have been on Mars. So much of the surface on Mars seem to indicate that there have been water there. Off topic though... :p

I do not know why Icke says there is still a secret base on the South Pole, but I guess it is still a good place to have a flying saucer hangar :) I do not know wether it is run by neo-nazis or not, but have they found a base that has been left there? Where is the proof that they do not have a base there anymore?

What makes me think is when information gets blacked out for the public, especially when it is obvious like the Mars stuff. Why is it exactly that it would be bad if we found it likely for life to have been on Mars? Why is that worth covering up?

I do not know if the hollow earth theory is true, but I have not found anything in this thread to disprove the hollow earth theory completely. If I was to be convinced about the openings not being at the poles, I would have to fly over the poles in a helicopter. On a boat or ship is so easy to just sail around it. Also a GPS would be nice to bring along. Can anyone disprove that the 90n on our maps is not the magnetic north pole? A picture just isnt enough.

I care more about the underground cave systems in the Himelayan mountains though, and finding out exactly what kind of energy system it is that makes UFOs able to fly and enables a tractor beam beneath it. I believe that technology takes some greater understanding about our planets magnetic fields.

[28th kingdom]

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=theduderinok

[woghd]

Thank you 28k, that's extremely helpful!
Thank again, you rock.

Archangel

[yinon]

The concept of the Earth being hollow is one which has been written about for at least the past century or so. In 1920, Marshall B. Gardner produced a revised edition of an earlier work published in 1913 entitled A Journey to the Earth’s Interior. In his second edition the author produces a diagrammatic plate showing the earth as a hollow planet with an opening entrance at the North Pole. What is significant is that a photograph taken by the ESSA –7 satellite on 23rd November 1968 over the North Pole, without cloud cover, clearly reveals a substantial circular opening which, it is claimed, was navigated by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd (United States Navy) on a secret expedition made in 1947. Over a period of time much material has been written about the hollow earth theory, and recently a book has been published (Hollow Planets: A Feasibility Study of Possible Hollow Worlds by Jan Lamprecht, 1998) which suggests that all the planets in the Universe may be hollow, a creative principle which may hold true throughout the stellar worlds.

http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/images/hollowearth1.jpg
Marshall B. Gardner (1920) Satellite photograph (1968)

In more recent times the theory of a hollow earth is generally believed to have been first investigated by an American writer, William Reed, in 1906 and subsequently by another American, Marshall B. Gardner, as previously mentioned. However, what is not so well known, is that in 1898 a 48 page booklet was produced entitled The Secret of the Poles. The author was a certain Henry Campion and his treatise was published in Birmingham, England. In advance of the aforementioned two American hollow earth researchers, Campion wrote that the earth was hollow with entrances at both the north and south poles. To quote Campion: "The earth's axis is completely hollow, and entirely devoid throughout - from south to north - of terra firma; it has two complete openings, one at the South Pole, the other at its exact opposite, the North Pole, it is continuously hollow, and completely open throughout its supposed dense structure from pole to pole, quite literally and completely."




http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/hollowearth.htm

Many names who wrote on the concept of hollow earth

[yinon]

Who is Gardner?

Marshall B. Gardner spent twenty years in research, based on the reports of Arctic explorers, supplemented by astronomical evidence, before publishing, in 1920, his great book, "A Journey to the Earth's Interior or Have the Poles Really Been Discovered?" He did not seem to know about Reed's book and theory, so that both men developed their theories independently. Gardner's great contribution is the theory of a central sun, which is the source of the higher temperature in the region of the polar orifice and the aurora borealis, which Reed attributes to volcanic eruptions. A central sun as a source of heat and light makes possible the existence of plant and animal life in the earth's interior, also human life, which Reed believed to be a fact, but could not explain according to his theory, which did not include a central sun as a source of light, without which there could be no life.

http://www.holloworbs.com/Chapte_Four_of_Marshall_B.htm

[yinon]

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/HollowEarth/part3.htm

Reed's book was written fourteen years before that of Marshall Gardner, who claimed that not only was the earth hollow but that there was a central sun at its center. Reed, however, did not include this central sun in his theory, but believed that the higher temperature in the region of the Poles is due to burning volcanoes at the polar openings, which are the origin of the dust that Arctic explorers noticed there. We now quote from Reed's book. On page 282 he says:

"The earth is either hollow or it is not. What proof have we that it is not hollow? None at all that is positive and circumstantial. On the contrary, everything points to its being hollow. If it be so, and if there are burning volcanoes in the interior, would you not see great lights reflected on the icebergs and clouds, just as other great fires reflect the light? Would not great clouds of smoke and dust be seen - the same as from any other burning volcano? That is what all the explorers have witnessed - low dark clouds rising from the ocean, or at the edge of the ice. Nansen (an Arctic explorer) said: `Let us go home: What have we here to stay for? Nothing but dust, dust, dust!'

"Where could such dust come from - so bad that it was one of the great annoyances in the heart of the Arctic Ocean, if it did not come from an exploding, burning volcano (in the polar opening) ?

[dondaz]

Struck gold with this thread eh december.

Not saying I agree with you of course.

I'm gonna have to hijack the attention back from you now, he he he, easy peasy, lemon squeezy:D

How about every time you start a thread I post one of my police harassment vids, from your threads:D:D

I'll show you how to change the subject:rolleyes:

[yinon]

Gosh YOU NEED A VIDEO TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT


Here's A religious FREAK on that matter!


http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PAyYf9GxtgE

[yinon]

Better!

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8iyLYj796xc

[yinon]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EjCeDbYEFJQ

The monsters of the hollow earth

[yinon]

I made a dream one day...but it was not an ordinairy dream.

It was an astral travel. When you remember the moment you travelled in your light body and the scene of your dream.... You are travelling beyond space and time and you connect informations on your present reincarnation.

The world I connected was not the HOLLOW earth but another planet far away from here. The monsters of Hollow earth ,if they exist, are here in transition to help us...just a feeling


Gosh what a fucking thread!!!!


I am off - Good week-end all!

That's why nobody talk about it!

[megafish33]

Is this theory based on science? or Magic?

Archangel

This theory is supported by bags of weed and nothing to do. Cool concept though... they should make a movie about a hollow earth.

[28th kingdom]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070921/sc_nm/mars_caves_dc

[woghd]

Ok, this is supposed to be the hole at the pole, right?

http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/images/hollowearth1.jpg

So, um, why can't I see the inner sun inside there, shouldn't it be...well...sort of a blinding light?

Archangel

[kblood]

Ok, this is supposed to be the hole at the pole, right?

http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/images/hollowearth1.jpg

So, um, why can't I see the inner sun inside there, shouldn't it be...well...sort of a blinding light?

Archangel

As far as I know, it is not a bright sun inside Earth, but a black sun. I do not know why Icke thinks it should be a bright sun, but I havent really looked much into it.

[yinon]

Back..

Extract from the biggest secret
p.250

Tom Rich, a paleontologist at the Museum of Victoria, Australia, suggested this possibility after he discovered the fossilised remains of a polar dinausar in 1987 in an excavated tunnel on the Southern tip of Victoria state at a place known as Dinausaur Cove.... My view is that human DNA was manipulated to create reptilian-humans.


...The light and warmth inside the earth comes from an inner sun, it is claimed. Marshall B. Gardner, one of the best known advocates of a hollow earth, believed that this sun was created from the original central fiercy core around which the forming Earth was spinning, very much like the picture of Donati's comet.

WWhat about Reed's work????

[december]

http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/images/hollowearth1.jpg

Satellite photograph (1968)


http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/hollowearth.htm

Many names who wrote on the concept of hollow earth

Yinon, do you know who have made this satellite photo and what is the source of it? I didn't find this info in your acticle...


Russia plants flag under N Pole

Russian explorers have planted their country's flag on the seabed 4,200m (14,000ft) below the North Pole to further Moscow's claims to the Arctic.

The rust-proof titanium metal flag was brought by explorers travelling in two mini-submarines, in what is believed to be the first expedition of its kind.

One of the two vessels has completed the difficult journey back to the surface, Itar-Tass news agency reports.
Melting polar ice has led to competing claims over access to Arctic resources.

Russia's claim to a vast swathe of territory in the Arctic, thought to contain oil, gas and mineral reserves, has been challenged by other powers, including the US.

The mission's leader, explorer and parliamentarian Artur Chilingarov, earlier told Itar-Tass news agency that his mini-submarine had a "smooth" landing on the seabed.
"The yellowish ground is around us, no sea dwellers are seen," he said.
'Heroic mission'
The mini-submarines, Mir-I and Mir-II, were brought to the North Pole by the two ships in the Russian expedition - a nuclear-powered ice-breaker and a research vessel.
The expedition set off last week from the port of Murmansk in search of geological evidence to back up Moscow's claims to the resource-rich Arctic seabed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6927395.stm#map

http://image.newsru.com/pict/id/large/978738_20070802103818.gif

http://img.rian.ru/images/7029/73/70297319.jpg

[yinon]

Yinon, do you know who have made this satellite photo and what is the source of it? I didn't find this info in your acticle...


Google Barry Dunford, the author of the article.

I am suspiscious about the authencity of that picture.

The guy seems to know a lot and is involve In the Holy Grail Saga.

Another Masonic baby

Another god freak!

[grackle]

Yinon, do you know who have made this satellite photo and what is the source of it? I didn't find this info in your acticle... Well it is said that the North Pole does existbut it is covered by a gust of wind when the wind current moves in. That is actually a NASA pic but they explained it in a way that I forgot.

[yinon]

The Saturn's North Pole

http://www.pleasantmorningbuzz.com/pics/hexagon.gif


Craters near Lunar South Pole

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/WebImg/lunarSpole.gif

The Mars North Pole

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/heather.hobden1/MarsNorthPole.jpg

[yinon]

The VENUS NORTH POLE

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_p39224.gif

[yinon]

The Polar VORTEX.......

http://www-atm.physics.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/Image1.jpg


www.atm.ox.ac.uk/project/virtis/venus-polar.html.

[december]

Better!

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8iyLYj796xc

Yinon, but your video actually says that the reports of Richard Byrd were misinterprited. :)

In fact it looks like the man was a liar:

On May 9, 1926, Byrd and pilot Floyd Bennett attempted a flight over the North Pole. Byrd claimed to have achieved the pole, Floyd denied this. This trip earned Byrd widespread acclaim, including being awarded the Medal of Honor, and enabled him to secure funding for subsequent attempts on the South Pole.

Richard E. Byrd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[yinon]

Yinon, but your video actually says that the reports of Richard Byrd were misinterprited. :)

In fact it looks like the man was a liar:

On May 9, 1926, Byrd and pilot Floyd Bennett attempted a flight over the North Pole. Byrd claimed to have achieved the pole, Floyd denied this. This trip earned Byrd widespread acclaim, including being awarded the Medal of Honor, and enabled him to secure funding for subsequent attempts on the South Pole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd

They say all planets are hollow...Look elsewhere and don't bother you with the misinformation

Too much time for myself!!!!!


Read about the Vortex theory!

[yinon]

Crater at Lunar south pole

http://www.esa.int/images/AMI_EAE3_001775_00002_00020_L.jpg

[yinon]

Dear December,

Please...Spread the truth!!!!!!!

Better picture of Venus

http://spacespin.org/images/articles/saturn-joins-venus-vortex-club_3.jpg

[december]

Google Barry Dunford, the author of the article.

I am suspiscious about the authencity of that picture.

Well, I did google Barry Dunford but there is no information about this photo.
Every researcher always provides the SOURCES of information but Barry Dunford in his article doesn't say where he found this photo so I cannot take him seriously.


That is actually a NASA pic but they explained it in a way that I forgot.

Can try to refresh your memory?....
It seems like the photo is fake.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


This video says that the reports of Richard Byrd were misinterprited. :)


And it looks like the man was actually a liar:

On May 9, 1926, Byrd and pilot Floyd Bennett attempted a flight over the North Pole. Byrd claimed to have achieved the pole, Floyd denied this. This trip earned Byrd widespread acclaim, including being awarded the Medal of Honor, and enabled him to secure funding for subsequent attempts on the South Pole.

Richard E. Byrd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[yinon]

Dear december,


I feel that you cannot elevate your consciousness above the present chaos we face on earth.

The illusive world!!!!!

In my perception, you are not awake. Far away from the divine concept of your master

DEAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaR,

Read the vortex theory and call a scientist

We don t need your russian flags to bring more clarity to the subject.

Maybe you think I am hard. No

I AM not stupid!

[astraltraveller]

dont know if anyone has seen these but they look convincing pics of holes in the earth . after all i have read and seen and heard on the net i think it is hollow .

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html

[yinon]

dont know if anyone has seen these but they look convincing pics of holes in the earth . after all i have read and seen and heard on the net i think it is hollow .

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html

Interesting astral! Thank you

There is a polemic going on as for the white color

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollow_earth_2.jpg

If you look close, there is a little white circle dead center in photo. This is the cloud formation offset to left of North Pole. This also suggests an opening.

The inside of the hole seems white. More important is this: BOTH photos show the ICE CAP clearly. The ICE CAP can been seen to be SMOOTH & SOLID. In EACH CASE, the hole lies on the EDGE of the ICE CAP. This strongly hints at NORTH MAGNETIC POLE!

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearthd.jpg

.

[28th kingdom]

The Earth is hollow... and that's where the Reptilians live. Along with all the mythical creatures we have heard about through the centuries, including: unicorns, leprecauns, giants (people in the hollow earth are 7-15ft tall as are the Reptilians) mermaids, dragons etc.

[yinon]

The Earth is hollow... and that's where the Reptilians live. Along with all the mythical creatures we have heard about through the centuries, including: unicorns, leprecauns, giants (people in the hollow earth are 7-15ft tall as are the Reptilians) mermaids, dragons etc.


There is a passage up north

Who's gonna check if they are there?

[december]

I AM not stupid!

I am not even discussing you.
So what's up with all these emotions?...



Dear december,
I feel that you cannot elevate your consciousness above the present chaos we face on earth.

The illusive world!!!!!

In my perception, you are not awake. Far away from the divine concept of your master

DEAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaR,

Read the vortex theory and call a scientist

We don t need your russian flags to bring more clarity to the subject.

Maybe you think I am hard. No


Right now we are trying to find out where did that North Pole picture come from...
So far there is no proof that this is a real photo.

[december]

dont know if anyone has seen these but they look convincing pics of holes in the earth . after all i have read and seen and heard on the net i think it is hollow .

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html

I cannot take this article seriously.
First of all, it doesn't say WHO actually wrote it, and if you go to the first page of that site you will see these silly pictures:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/dancing_alien.gif

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/1alien.jpg


http://www.burlingtonnews.net/burlington_ufo_center.html

So it's time to grow up...

:)

But here's a proof that there is no hole in the North Pole -

Russia plants flag under N Pole

Russian explorers have planted their country's flag on the seabed 4,200m (14,000ft) below the North Pole to further Moscow's claims to the Arctic.

One of the two vessels has completed the difficult journey back to the surface, Itar-Tass news agency reports.
Melting polar ice has led to competing claims over access to Arctic resources.
The mission's leader, explorer and parliamentarian Artur Chilingarov, earlier told Itar-Tass news agency that his mini-submarine had a "smooth" landing on the seabed.
"The yellowish ground is around us, no sea dwellers are seen," he said.
'Heroic mission'
The mini-submarines, Mir-I and Mir-II, were brought to the North Pole by the two ships in the Russian expedition - a nuclear-powered ice-breaker and a research vessel.
The expedition set off last week from the port of Murmansk in search of geological evidence to back up Moscow's claims to the resource-rich Arctic seabed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6927395.stm#map

http://image.newsru.com/pict/id/large/978738_20070802103818.gif

http://img.rian.ru/images/7029/73/70297319.jpg

[yinon]

from over Moon's north pole


http://history.nasa.gov/ap15fj/pics/serengal.jpg

history.nasa.gov/ap15fj/15solo_ops3.htm.

Apollo 15

[jologriffiths]

Hi All,
been catching up with this thread,
Argatha sounds like an interesting place...
I've read that American planes are not permitted to fly over the poles..

Does any one know or have any info on whether American planes are allowed to fly over the poles?
If the're not, why?:confused: and does it apply to all nations? (as i'm sure it will!!)

ONE LOVE

[yinon]

Hi All,
been catching up with this thread,
Argatha sounds like an interesting place...
I've read that American planes are not permitted to fly over the poles..

Does any one know or have any info on whether American planes are allowed to fly over the poles?
If the're not, why?:confused: and does it apply to all nations? (as i'm sure it will!!)

ONE LOVE

No other gateway

Don't forget to fight between you all

The Law of return.....truly powerfull

We don't have control on what we all have to face...but the time has come for all liars to pay!!!

Of that, I'm sure

.

[astraltraveller]

great im told to grow up by someone who quotes things from the mainstream media and declares a vitory . if i ever did find that hole i would thow you in it and then take a good long piss .

[tinmenace]

great im told to grow up by someone who quotes things from the mainstream media and declares a vitory . if i ever did find that hole i would thow you in it and then take a good long piss .

LOL!

Sorry, but that is just so funny!

[them]

If some of you had travelled as much as I have you would realise how silly a lot of this debate is. Once Russia had embraced capitalism in the early 1990's they also opened up their airspace. Flights, to Japan from the UK for example, suddenly became a whole lot quicker. Part of the reason for this was that planes were now able to fly over the Northern Polar region before heading over Siberia/Kamchatka on their way South to Japan, China etc.

I've flown over the North Pole dozens of times, including last week - compass in hand, and have never seen any evidence of a chasmal opening into the Earths interior.

Look for a flight that goes over the Pole.. then take it to sate your curiosity.

http://www.echoridgeastronomyclub.com/polar_routes_map.jpg/polar_routes_map-custom;size:670,499.jpg

[jologriffiths]

[QUOTE=them;138109]If some of you had travelled as much as I have you would realise how silly a lot of this debate is.'



Thanks for your info Them,
What is your theory on the Bermuda triangle disappearances? is it apparent from the sky that there is any phenomenon?

Mysterys and unexplained events do exist in this world (i.e the election of George Bush to presidency!lol,).

One of our weakest traits, as well trained citizens, is to dismiss any phenomenon if 'education' has not confirmed its existence.

It is so arrogant of us to assume we know all things and I feel its much more intelligent to accept that we in fact know very little.
The earth was once believed to be flat! and it was ridiculous, 'silly' and life threatening! to suggest otherwise.

We humans have been denied the truth for eons, fortunately, this forum gives us a chance to explore some extraordinary subjects and possibilities
no matter how 'silly' they seem to you.
I'm glad that flights are not restricted over the poles..thats good news esp. for emmissions.
You say you have seen no evidence of this chasm yourself, thats fair enough! and a very valid contribution to this question, but this does not mean that it doesn't exist.
I really don't know myself 'cause I haven't been there.. yet! but I'm open to the possibility...


KALA-there are no limits everything is possible

ONE LOVE

[tinmenace]

I really don't know myself 'cause I haven't been there.. yet! but I'm open to the possibility...



Well said!

[yinon]

great im told to grow up by someone who quotes things from the mainstream media and declares a vitory . if i ever did find that hole i would thow you in it and then take a good long piss .


Even if the evidence is obvious, they will deny it. Why? Because they control the game from below. If humans become conscious of their presence here, they should leave this plan.

More, the Elite who dance with them will have to look for another job or another planet.

The benevolents aliens are probably here too but at the North pole.

I have already read that some of The reptilians hide in underground tunnels in the State of New Mexico.

More I read on the subject and more I'm convince that something really weird is going on.

When we will have accumulate several scientific prooves on the fact that they hide us many secrets (for example the hollow earth, the hole at the North pole ), it will be easier to convince the population that our leaders are liars.


We have first to demonstrate that the Nasa lied us on many things

Confront them on something they cannot deny

[woghd]

Crater at Lunar south pole

http://www.esa.int/images/AMI_EAE3_001775_00002_00020_L.jpg

I asked some perfectly reasonable questions early on in this thread, and they went unanswered. My question (to anybody) is why can't I see the inner-sun that's supposed to be there, through these holes? And if it's "dark", how can anything live in there? And how the devil do hollow planets form anyway. Wouldn't the same laws of physics have formed a solid shell around our own sun, instead of a planetary system?

Somebody please explain, because this hollow earth theory looks like nonsense. I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but I can't.

Archangel

[adimon]

The benevolents aliens are probably here too but at the North pole.

I have already read that some of The reptilians hide in underground tunnels in the State of New Mexico.

Hi Yinon

Can you quote me your sources on this please?

Thanks

[them]

Thanks for your info Them, What is your theory on the Bermuda triangle disappearances? is it apparent from the sky that there is any phenomenon?

I have never researched the Bermuda Triangle, jolo, so I don't know how to answer the question other than to say I've flown from Florida to the Bahamas a few times and have never disappeared. Is that route inside the triangle?

One of our weakest traits, as well trained citizens, is to dismiss any phenomenon if 'education' has not confirmed its existence.

A fair point, that's why I mentioned my personal experiences over the pole; earlier in the thread I also posted my experiences on the ground above 80N.

It is so arrogant of us to assume we know all things and I feel its much more intelligent to accept that we in fact know very little.
The earth was once believed to be flat! and it was ridiculous, 'silly' and life threatening! to suggest otherwise.

That is true, ones own experiences our a much purer well of knowledge, if you accept life is one huge familiarization curve.

We humans have been denied the truth for eons, fortunately, this forum gives us a chance to explore some extraordinary subjects and possibilities
no matter how 'silly' they seem to you.
I'm glad that flights are not restricted over the poles..thats good news esp. for emmissions.
You say you have seen no evidence of this chasm yourself, thats fair enough! and a very valid contribution to this question, but this does not mean that it doesn't exist.
I really don't know myself 'cause I haven't been there.. yet! but I'm open to the possibility...

It's difficult to research this topic in literature. Byrds papers are closed but if you read his book Alone you'll gain an insight into where the man was coming from. Ickes mosaic of information, including Byrds contributions, Jules Vernes, and other sources he uses, claim a chasmal opening at the North Pole.

My eyes, however right or wrong they might be, see zero evidence for an opening. Following Byrds claimed course over the pole manifested nothing chasmal for me, I'll wager that you'd share my experience rather than Byrds.


KALA-there are no limits everything is possible

Including the possibility that 'there is no hole'..

http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Forrestal-Byrd.jpg
Admiral Byrd shakes hands

[yinon]

I asked some perfectly reasonable questions early on in this thread, and they went unanswered. My question (to anybody) is why can't I see the inner-sun that's supposed to be there, through these holes? And if it's "dark", how can anything live in there? And how the devil do hollow planets form anyway. Wouldn't the same laws of physics have formed a solid shell around our own sun, instead of a planetary system?

Somebody please explain, because this hollow earth theory looks like nonsense. I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but I can't.

Archangel

One step at a time ...In first place: Show that they lied us about the effect of poles polar vortex

In second place: About the hollow earth matter -Make the demonstration of many underground tunnels and caves- which tunnels was connected.

Don't try to prove the hollow earth theory with the inner sun.

The only thing to do is to SHOW how they are all liars

Forget the aliens theory.

Destroy their image with scientific evidence.

[yinon]

HOLLOW EARTH EVIDENCE - YouTube

[yinon]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XmCgPXLPGvU&NR=1

[them]

I asked some perfectly reasonable questions early on in this thread, and they went unanswered. My question (to anybody) is why can't I see the inner-sun that's supposed to be there, through these holes? And if it's "dark", how can anything live in there? And how the devil do hollow planets form anyway. Wouldn't the same laws of physics have formed a solid shell around our own sun, instead of a planetary system?

Somebody please explain, because this hollow earth theory looks like nonsense. I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but I can't.

Archangel

The pictures were probably all taken during the inner night.. ;)

[woghd]

One step at a time ...In first place: Show that they lied us about the effect of poles polar vortex
</QUOTE>
I see no evidence of polar votices at all...yes the word is "vortices"...
<QUOTE=yinon;139088>
In second place: About the hollow earth matter -Make the demonstration of many underground tunnels and caves- which tunnels was connected.
</QUOTE>
I would have no idea of such a thing. Why ask ME something of this nature?
<QUOTE=yinon;139088>
Don't try to prove the hollow earth theory with the inner sun.
</QUOTE>
I'm not! Such would be a ridiculous display in my opinion...
<QUOTE=yinon;139088>
The only thing to do is to SHOW how they are all liars
</QUOTE>
I don't see anyone lying but the hollow earthers..."
<QUOTE=yinon;139088>
Forget the aliens theory.
Destroy their image with scientific evidence.

Ok scientific evidence suggests, pretty conclusively, that a hollow earth is absolutely impossible. A hollow shell would have formed around our sun if the "special" hollow earth physics in fact existed, which they don't. I've asked here in this thread many times, very politely, for someone to explain, and nobody has.

I'm still open to the idea, but nobody has proven anything to me.
sorry.

Archangel

[kblood]

Ok scientific evidence suggests, pretty conclusively, that a hollow earth is absolutely impossible. A hollow shell would have formed around our sun if the "special" hollow earth physics in fact existed, which they don't. I've asked here in this thread many times, very politely, for someone to explain, and nobody has.

I'm still open to the idea, but nobody has proven anything to me.
sorry.

Archangel

I guess I have to say that I am not really a believer of the hollow earth theory, but I do believe it is possible. You seem to think the internal sun is the same as our external sun, and that is obviously not possible. It would have to be another kind of sun, one that pulls things to it in some way.

My own belief though, is more one about underground cave systems. Sounds like we could have alot of them, and they might have hidden civilisations in them.

[tinmenace]

I've learned that unless I see it or sense it for myself, I'm not necessarily going to ever believe the official version of anything. Is a hollow earth outside the realms of possibility? I don't feel it is, and having said that...I don't know enough about it one way or the other to make an argument for or against it.

All I know is that if it's not outside the realms of possibility, then I must keep an open mind.

[lifeofbrian]

December was killed but his threads live on.

Very odd.

Would think the offended parties would have locked all his threads.

[somewarez]

anyone ever heard of pole shift???
its easy to think of the current north pole but maybe that isnt the hole??

[phoenix1]

Ok scientific evidence suggests, pretty conclusively, that a hollow earth is absolutely impossible. A hollow shell would have formed around our sun if the "special" hollow earth physics in fact existed, which they don't. I've asked here in this thread many times, very politely, for someone to explain, and nobody has.

I'm still open to the idea, but nobody has proven anything to me.
sorry.

Archangel

Hi

Science, Conclusively,Impossible, are all non functional words, like proof, this 3D world is hollow .. thats a knowing for me, no point me explaining these things.. its hollow and thats it.

A scientist said ..blah blah blah They talk utter shitism. Simple .. Scientists= Dogmatically Blinkered Skeptics.. working backwards contantly from effect to cause.... and not the other way around.

IF they started AT CAUSE they could "if they had pure mindedness " then access the Cosmic Mind. But they do not.. and so this is why science is utter crap.

And If ALL PEOPLE accessed the Comic Co -Creative constant.. then they wouldn't be looking to science at all.

They would ALLREADY know.

Nice and simple ?? but maybe not.

All the Love Of Infinities Ends

Phoenix:)

[adimon]

My own belief though, is more one about underground cave systems. Sounds like we could have alot of them, and they might have hidden civilisations in them.

When you say "sounds like we could have" these caves and they might have civilisations - what sources led you to believe this please?

[lifeofbrian]

Hi

Science, Conclusively,Impossible, are all non functional words, like proof, this 3D world is hollow .. thats a knowing for me, no point me explaining these things.. its hollow and thats it.

A scientist said ..blah blah blah They talk utter shitism. Simple .. Scientists= Dogmatically Blinkered Skeptics.. working backwards contantly from effect to cause.... and not the other way around.

IF they started AT CAUSE they could "if they had pure mindedness " then access the Cosmic Mind. But they do not.. and so this is why science is utter crap.

And If ALL PEOPLE accessed the Comic Co -Creative constant.. then they wouldn't be looking to science at all.

They would ALLREADY know.

Nice and simple ?? but maybe not.

All the Love Of Infinities Ends

Phoenix:)

Maybe the World needs both Poets and Scientists. Both those who dream and those who check out the matter-of-facts.

Like, "live and let live" ?

[yinon]

anyone ever heard of pole shift???
its easy to think of the current north pole but maybe that isnt the hole??


There is a hole without any doubt. Read the polar vortex thread.

Is the earth hollow? Here's the next question to answer.

I feel that some of you don't care about the truth... but more about their position

[yinon]

There is a hole without any doubt. Read the polar vortex thread.

Is the earth hollow? Here's the next question to answer.

I feel that some of you don't care about the truth... but more about their position


Now, why they don't want to admit there are holes at the polar's poles?

They have a reason! They have something to hide.

Probably the earth is hollow

[woghd]

Hi

Science, Conclusively,Impossible, are all non functional words, like proof, this 3D world is hollow .. thats a knowing for me, no point me explaining these things.. its hollow and thats it.

A scientist said ..blah blah blah They talk utter shitism. Simple .. Scientists= Dogmatically Blinkered Skeptics.. working backwards contantly from effect to cause.... and not the other way around.

IF they started AT CAUSE they could "if they had pure mindedness " then access the Cosmic Mind. But they do not.. and so this is why science is utter crap.

And If ALL PEOPLE accessed the Comic Co -Creative constant.. then they wouldn't be looking to science at all.

They would ALLREADY know.

Nice and simple ?? but maybe not.

All the Love Of Infinities Ends

Phoenix:)


Ok cool, I'm no big fan of science either. Throw science out the window. I don't care, I just want to know how this "hollow" earth is supposed to have come about, and why the same forces, whatever they are, didn't do the same thing to the sun and planets... I don't care if you use science, magic, religeon, or whatever, I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of a hollow earth unless I can understand where it came from. How did the solar system form? Why is this such a hard question?

Did it pop out of an egg, like at the Queen's Jubilee?

Archangel

[yinon]

Ok cool, I'm no big fan of science either. Throw science out the window. I don't care, I just want to know how this "hollow" earth is supposed to have come about, and why the same forces, whatever they are, didn't do the same thing to the sun and planets... I don't care if you use science, magic, religeon, or whatever, I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of a hollow earth unless I can understand where it came from. How did the solar system form? Why is this such a hard question?

Did it pop out of an egg, like at the Queen's Jubilee?

Archangel

look at them react. They are in complete denegation.

Perhaps the guy is afraid for his life if it is not for his position

what a click of liars!

[woghd]

look at them react. They are in complete denegation.

Perhaps the guy is afraid for his life if it is not for his position

what a click of liars!

I have no idea what this means, is it a poem?
I just want somebody, anybody, who understands hollow earth theory to please explain to me how the solar system was formed. It's important for me to know this and understand it if I am ever to wrap my head around this theory.

I'm genuinely interested, but I have (hopefully you'll think legit) questions.

1. Why can't I see the inner sun through the hole?
2. How did the solar system form?
3. How can photosythesis occur in constant sunlight
4. How does gravity work?
5. How are polar sattelites able to maintain polar orbits?
6. Are there satellites around the inner sun?
7. What about the LaGrange point between the inner sun and the earth?
8. What about continental drift?
9. Where does volcano lava come from?

I have more questions, but #2 is the most important to me.

Archangel

[yinon]

Did it pop out of an egg, like at the Queen's Jubilee?

I don't fucking care about the formation of the solar system

Do you know why we are in big shitt?

Because scientists as religious freaks never known to ask the right question.


They behave as computers and they can hardly create...Few are true creators. Why they have an inventive mind.?

Because they can think outside the BOX!!

Poor cyborgs!

[woghd]

My mind isn't that open and free. I have trouble believing in things that require blind faith. My belief system requires that I learn things in bite sized nibbles.

For example, I beleive in the power of crystals because I once built a crystal radio, and I know crystals are used in lasers. That's enough for me to take a small leap of faith and believe in various paranormal uses for crystals. I believe in UFOs because I've seen two really spectacular ones with my own eyes. I believe in bigfoot and reptilians because a preponderance of the evidence suggests they exist.

I could believe in a hollow earth as well. But I need at least a LITTLE solid evidence, or at least a believable creation theory, if I'm ever going to wrap my head around the idea.

Archangel

[yinon]

Check them recuperate to their advantage what we have shared on the polar poles.

It's the way they behave usually. To lead the game on the earth plan, they use our insights and transform them to fit in a closed minded systems.

I am not here to lead. I am not here to be recognize in anyway.

I am here to let the truth shines. And what's the truth? The controllers and our leaders are dishonests, liars and we are their slaves. Over! Yes...it is over!

[yinon]

this world will blow if we don't face what's the real game

WAKE-UP!

[clipwip]

there's a hole in my butt. it's called my butthole.

[tinmenace]

there's a hole in my butt. it's called my butthole.

LOL!

[clipwip]

LOL!

get's you thinking, doesn't it?

[phoenix1]

I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of a hollow earth unless I can understand where it came from. How did the solar system form? Why is this such a hard question?

Did it pop out of an egg, like at the Queen's Jubilee?

Archangel

Maybe then...no.. infinitely... you need to get back to that egg.. All the information of the multiiverse for instance is contained in one single seed (for example)

This is a many aspected thread ..wrap your mind around that ONE SEED I mentioned. Understanding of what that contains.. is the WHOLE,, then you can wrap your mind around and embrace the whole Earth, this then leads to an understanding of the whole Multiverse.. since all are essentially the same Unities.

And all unities , each and every one is derivitive of many energeteic systems and ONE constant Co- creation of which we are all a VITAL part. The ONE constant..bieng the Primal Scission.. The Infinite and intangible and indivisible ONE.

We are all aspected to it and the Principle ONE presides over ALL, It is the ALL.... The ALL ONE..

The moon rings like a bell, its hollow too, inertia throws matter outwards, It doesnt compact matter inwardly.

Narural Law coagulates and gells... but it does not compact.

I dont know how exactly to explain any of this.. Ive said before in a few places .. (for me ) words are becoming meaningless, so its very hard to express them in a way thats effective.

The journey too seek this information for your self begins with Nature and Spirit.. Allways the answers come when we ask.. bit the journey is a personal one.. we must all ultimately choose.

The Spheers are a resounding echo of vibrations.. each one tuned to perfection.. they make the Multiverse harmonic.. there is no escape from it really.. and I wouldnt the escape either.

Hmm All the Love .. And I hope you find "your answers" people.

Phoenix:)

[yinon]

The moon rings like a bell, its hollow too, inertia throws matter outwards, It doesnt compact matter inwardly.

Interesting!

[tinmenace]

I managed to get hold of a copy of The Hollow Earth: The greatest geographical discovery in history made by Admiral Richard E. Byrd in the mysterious land beyond the Poles--the true origin of the flying saucers - by Raymond W Bernard

It nicely explained gravity in the Hollow Earth theory, along with various others. I have to admit that i don't fully understand an internal "sun", but the actual HOLLOW sounds feasible to me, if you accept their theory on gravity.

I highly recommend the book.

[28th kingdom]

there's a hole in my butt. it's called my butthole.

Hey Tin... don't give this guy credit... he stole this line from an old Chinese proverb.

[kblood]

Maybe they are looking in the wrong place.



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7556/110hq8.gif (http://imageshack.us)


Edit: Yeaaay!!! I finally did it. Everytime I have tried to post an image it has not worked properly.

I talked with a friend about the magnetic poles this weekend. He said that the magnetic poles have been moving since early 20. century. Apparently the magnet poles have been moving 50km., but I did not understand if it was ever since it began moving or during these last years. He had also heard about a pole shift incomming. So I guess the part about the magnetic northpole and the geographic north pole not being the same is due to this. I did not get his sources, but I will try to find something about it. Maybe in the 2012 part of the forum?

[kblood]

Maybe they are looking in the wrong place.



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7556/110hq8.gif (http://imageshack.us)


Edit: Yeaaay!!! I finally did it. Everytime I have tried to post an image it has not worked properly.

I talked with a friend about the magnetic poles this weekend. He said that the magnetic poles have been moving since early 20. century. Apparently the magnet poles have been moving 50km., but I did not understand if it was ever since it began moving or during these last years. He had also heard about a pole shift incomming. So I guess the part about the magnetic northpole and the geographic north pole not being the same is due to this. I did not get his sources, but I will try to find something about it. Maybe in the 2012 part of the forum?

[woghd]

I managed to get hold of a copy of The Hollow Earth: The greatest geographical discovery in history made by Admiral Richard E. Byrd in the mysterious land beyond the Poles--the true origin of the flying saucers - by Raymond W Bernard

It nicely explained gravity in the Hollow Earth theory, along with various others. I have to admit that i don't fully understand an internal "sun", but the actual HOLLOW sounds feasible to me, if you accept their theory on gravity.

I highly recommend the book.

THANK YOU TINMENACE! Although nobody has answered my questions, it looks like this book will do so. I will read the book with an open mind, and learn something new. Whether I eventually buy into the theory or not, I will learn something new, even if it's just a better understanding of the belief's of hollow theorists, right. Thanks again. You rock!

Archangel

[tinmenace]

THANK YOU TINMENACE! Although nobody has answered my questions, it looks like this book will do so. I will read the book with an open mind, and learn something new. Whether I eventually buy into the theory or not, I will learn something new, even if it's just a better understanding of the belief's of hollow theorists, right. Thanks again. You rock!

Archangel


No, YOU rock for doing your own research!

Let's discuss again after you've read the book. I don't think you'll find anything "beyond any doubt" in there, but I'll tell you, considering the secret nature of the landlords of this planet for the last thousands of years, you have to consider and wonder how much info is undoubtedly suppressed.

Also, keep in mind that Admiral Byrd was a Freemason. - Link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59219&postcount=15)

[them]

I managed to get hold of a copy of The Hollow Earth: The greatest geographical discovery in history made by Admiral Richard E. Byrd in the mysterious land beyond the Poles--the true origin of the flying saucers - by Raymond W Bernard

It nicely explained gravity in the Hollow Earth theory, along with various others. I have to admit that i don't fully understand an internal "sun", but the actual HOLLOW sounds feasible to me, if you accept their theory on gravity.

I highly recommend the book.

You could try contrasting that with Byrds book Alone, it's a fascinating and far superior read.

Alone: Classic of Polar Solitude and Adventure: Amazon.co.uk: Richard E. Byrd: 9781559634632: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qA6Z7dI3L.@@AMEPARAM@@51qA6Z7dI3L

It helps to explain the man. Ignore the Amazon synopsis, there are all sorts of factual mistakes in it.

Byrd (http://www.antarcticconnection.com/antarctic/history/byrd.shtml) Byrd again (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html)

[masonfree party]

why do you think the Queen goes to Balmoral...underground reptillian chambers ?

[them]

why do you think the Queen goes to Balmoral...underground reptillian chambers ?

Is that a question?

I can imagine a scenario in which an advanced civilization would burrow underground to protect themselves against an asteroid, a Solar event, plague or some other dread scenario.

Maybe an ancient civilization did go underground, maybe the people left up top did survive in small numbers and perhaps.. they mutated as a result of a catastrophe. I couldn't be sure about that though. Moreover, I can't accept a chasmal opening in the Northern Polar regions or an inner Sun. I just didn't see any evidence of that up there, even from the air.

[beldazar]

Well, I have been reading all the arguments on here and I have come to the conclusion that as I havent any proof of my own that the world is round, all the info I have is from someone elses theory, until I can see it for myself, it is obviously flat :D

[cloudgazer]

Seeing those pictures make me laugh. That doesn't prove anything, as there is no definite NORTH POLE. The circumference at the top is all north according to the compass.

Knowing how the Illuminati work through the media, they present to us what they want us to know. It doesn't mean the earth isn't hollow, just because the government says it is solid.

A recap: The furtherest they have dug down earth is 2-3 miles or maybe a little more, but only officially. How do you conclude the earth has all those layers (crust, mantle, core) if you haven't gone all the way down? They are leading us into believing something untrue.

I'm not saying the hollow earth idea is fact. But I'm definitely open to all ideas. Arguing that the earth is definitely solid, is just being close-minded. You are just believing what the gov tells you, when they are infamous for lying all the time.

agreed. They do lie all the time, and withhold tons of information from the public.

[father ted]

If you go through one of the entrances, all the way from the surface to the inside, what would gravity be like as you're traveling through? I mean, at the halfway point especially.

[them]

A further Antarctic myth..

...while anchored in Martel Inlet, inside Admiralty Bay, King George Island, we were witness to a strange luminous aerial phenomenon, resembling a meteorite, but which, in my opinion, should be classed as a true UFO. The date was 16 March 1961, and not ‘January 27, 1962’ as quoted in some sources available on the web.


A further Antarctic myth - Rubens J. Villela (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&fid=1439276&jid=POL&volumeId=44&issueId=01&aid=1439272&fulltextType=LP&fileId=S003224740700695X#fig1) <<<link

[them]

Could this thread be moved to UFOs / ETs / Anunnaki / Orbs / Crop Circles / Space please?

[kblood]

If you go through one of the entrances, all the way from the surface to the inside, what would gravity be like as you're traveling through? I mean, at the halfway point especially.

Gravity would just be inverted inside our planet. If there is no inner sun, then being at the center you could either fall to all sides or float a bit. After a while you would probably get too close to something not center, and fall to the inner surface. So basicly on the inside of the planet, they would be walking beneath the people on the topside (well duh), just upside down. If we imagine it to be a table instead, below the table the gravity pulls up, and on the table it pulls down. Gravity would be like this because all the mass (the crust of our planet) is what makes gravity. Two meteors flying by each other might have each their own gravity field, and therefore change each others course when flying by each other.

I think you get the picture. I never were good at explaining though.

[father ted]

Gravity would just be inverted inside our planet. If there is no inner sun, then being at the center you could either fall to all sides or float a bit. After a while you would probably get too close to something not center, and fall to the inner surface. So basicly on the inside of the planet, they would be walking beneath the people on the topside (well duh), just upside down. If we imagine it to be a table instead, below the table the gravity pulls up, and on the table it pulls down. Gravity would be like this because all the mass (the crust of our planet) is what makes gravity. Two meteors flying by each other might have each their own gravity field, and therefore change each others course when flying by each other.

I think you get the picture. I never were good at explaining though.

It's a hard one to ask and explain in words. Sure, you can say that gravity comes from the Earth's crust, but where in the Earth's crust? You and I were ( I think:confused:) alluding to the fact that gravity itself would be at the centre of the Earth's crust. That might mean that the closer you get to the centre (midpoint) of the crust, the stronger the pull, or it remains constant at least. When you get to the centre point of the crust, there is either a neutral zone or some affect where you suddenly "flip" the right side up once past. But whilst you're there, I wonder what it would be like? Can you imagine the affect that this might have on our brain? What about the animals that reportadly pass through? (said by other researchers).

You might be in zero gravity for a very short distance, or it might be a high or higher pressurised enviroment for a short distance, or you might be spinning in mid air untill you get to the other side (lets say you were traveling through a tunnel).

The mind boggles at just this very question alone, most people simply that on the inside everything is just the same-ish... just doesn't do it for me, there are a lot of questions that need to be answered before people get to the simpler answers. All fun stuff though:)

[soxism]

Has anyone Watch and Listened to All of this? Inside the Hollow Earth Pt.1 I Found it Rather Interesting Theory and May or May not Explain some of the working of Hollow Earth...

I cant Find it atm, but will keep Searching For It, was a Interesting Theory about how the Universe work, it incorporates the Hollow Earth, expanding planets theories.. and explains how the Sun is Not Fuels by "Gas" But is mainly Electrical.. From most the Theories out there, it was very informational and seemed to be well research/thought about.

I will try to gather my sources and post back...

This was a Rather Interesting Read Also about Impact Creaters that Seem to Supoort the Idea of Hollow Earth.. http://www.hollowearththeory.com/articles/impactCraters.asp


My Apologies about Spelling/Grammer

[hadabusa]

Seeing those pictures make me laugh. That doesn't prove anything, as there is no definite NORTH POLE. The circumference at the top is all north according to the compass.

Knowing how the Illuminati work through the media, they present to us what they want us to know. It doesn't mean the earth isn't hollow, just because the government says it is solid.

A recap: The furtherest they have dug down earth is 2-3 miles or maybe a little more, but only officially. How do you conclude the earth has all those layers (crust, mantle, core) if you haven't gone all the way down? They are leading us into believing something untrue.

I'm not saying the hollow earth idea is fact. But I'm definitely open to all ideas. Arguing that the earth is definitely solid, is just being close-minded. You are just believing what the gov tells you, when they are infamous for lying all the time.
im a couple years late, but it has2be said youre kinda thick.

the2miles comment in particular isa blatant testimony of your utter ignorance.

unbelieveable

[les_paul_robot]

There's no proof the earth has an iron core, so yeah it could be hollow with an inner sun after all.

[hadabusa]

There's no proof the earth has an iron core, so yeah it could be hollow with an inner sun after all.

it could also be hollow with different flavours of excrement,no?

i mean, wheres our shit going?we shit so much.

[dreamweaver]

It's a long, long time since I had any geology lessons but from what I remember the basis for the theory that the earth has a crust, mantle, liquid outer core and solid inner core is based on seismic waves.

The waveforms from a hollow object would be very different to those from an object as described above.

One thing I do remember is that the boundary between the crust and the mantle was called the Mohorovicic discontinuity and it was discovered because of refraction of P-waves:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Refraction_of_P-wave.PNG

But that's about as much as I can remember. The thing is that the world's geologists and especially seismologists would certainly be able to tell the difference between a solid and hollow earth. Unless they're all in on the conspiracy of course...

[whatistruth]

The earth isnt hollow, there's been hundreds of expeditions to the south pole and no evidence for it anyway.

[hadabusa]

It's a long, long time since I had any geology lessons but from what I remember the basis for the theory that the earth has a crust, mantle, liquid outer core and solid inner core is based on seismic waves.

The waveforms from a hollow object would be very different to those from an object as described above.

One thing I do remember is that the boundary between the crust and the mantle was called the Mohorovicic discontinuity and it was discovered because of refraction of P-waves:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Refraction_of_P-wave.PNG

But that's about as much as I can remember. The thing is that the world's geologists and especially seismologists would certainly be able to tell the difference between a solid and hollow earth. Unless they're all in on the conspiracy of course...

thx,but this is good enough4me.

it doesnt fully debunk my excrement, theory,but its good enough,really.
proper post.

mohorovicic,like tesla, some serb.these bad guys weve heard about on tv.

[hadabusa]

That picture of the geographic south pole, again, is as unconvincing as the pictures of the geographic north pole. They easily could have marked that anywhere else in the Antarctica. Then they lead people there saying...."OMG we arrived at the south pole!". Likewise for the north pole.

And in order to read Icke's books, you need an open mind. It depends how far you are willing to step out of the box. It isn't up to you to decide if he is making up fairytales. As far as I'm concerned, he is being very honest in his research.

yes,but that openings must be at northpole, that you just swallow nicely.

durrr.durr.

[hadabusa]

Yay! Well done!:)

Yes, the photos provided in this thread show that they're at 90North. This is hardly the north pole.

uh.aha.

thx4clearing this up.

[wwu777]

Check out these black holes in pictures of the North Poles.

Hollow Earth . Pictures of North Pole. - YouTube

What are they covering up I wonder?

Is it true that planes are not allowed to fly over the poles?

[pi3141]

Is it true that planes are not allowed to fly over the poles?

I think so.

I believe the reason given is due to magnetic field effect on their instumentation it would be dangerous.

[imalwayslost]

I think so.

I believe the reason given is due to magnetic field effect on their instumentation it would be dangerous.

sounds like bermuda triangle, anyone know if planes currently fly through it?

[moving finger]

Is it true that planes are not allowed to fly over the poles?

I don't think it is. There's a good answer on this page: http://www.travelexpertguide.org/forum/Air-Travel/Why-do-planes-not-fly-over-the-poles-to-the-reduce-the-distance-traveled-time-to-certain-destinations-414322.htm

The people who argue that it would be too cold have obviously never flown on planes that give you the outside temperature on hte in flight display!

The great circle route answer seems reasonable - if it's the quickest route then they do.

[measle_weasel]

It's a long, long time since I had any geology lessons but from what I remember the basis for the theory that the earth has a crust, mantle, liquid outer core and solid inner core is based on seismic waves.

The waveforms from a hollow object would be very different to those from an object as described above.

One thing I do remember is that the boundary between the crust and the mantle was called the Mohorovicic discontinuity and it was discovered because of refraction of P-waves:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Refraction_of_P-wave.PNG

But that's about as much as I can remember. The thing is that the world's geologists and especially seismologists would certainly be able to tell the difference between a solid and hollow earth. Unless they're all in on the conspiracy of course...
Thats precisely correct.

Hollow earth and holes at the poles are fanciful delusions conjured through ignorance. Basic knowledge of college introductory geology is all thats needed to completely dispel the hollow earth / holes at the poles fairy tale.

Im usually quite open to almost any theory, with my belief that anything, no matter how remote, is possible. However the likelihood of this particular theory being true, in our reality, is so abysmally small, that its at the point of being truly ridiculous to even consider.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_wave

Seismic waves in the Earth

See also: Core-mantle boundary, Mohorovičić discontinuity, LVZ, and Lehmann discontinuity

The seismic waves of both P-type and S-type in the Earth are monitored to probe the interior structure of the Earth. Discontinuities in velocity as a function of depth are indicative of changes in phase or composition. Differences in arrival times of waves originating in a seismic event like an earthquake as a result of waves taking different paths allow mapping of the Earth's inner structure.[5][6]

[hadabusa]

sounds like bermuda triangle, anyone know if planes currently fly through it?

puertorico-miami flys, so,yes.

[elpressiedente]

did anyonje notice that 90N post was able to be moved in relation to the icebreaker...

so the icebreaker charges lots for tourists to break ice to a predetermined spot and they plant a flag and people feel they got their monies worth...

doesnt prove its the north pole... the shadows arent long enough either...

also the electric nature of the earth means the poles appear when the frequencies are in harmony.... much the same as a a portal opening on most mountains for just seconds sometimes as often as once a month depending on the mountain tops position on the planet... the "holes" arent there all the time.....

at least this is what the maninblack told me.....

[dollanaqua]

There is no hole in the North Pole....

Perhaps the North Pole is in the hole ;)

[hadabusa]

Perhaps the North Pole is in the hole ;)

the first page is hillarious.

"whats under the ice,smartass?"(indicating hole's there)

"water"

comedy platinum

:D

[dollanaqua]

the first page is hillarious.

"whats under the ice,smartass?"(indicating hole's there)

"water"

comedy platinum

:D

I found it hilarious too, top class :D

[hadabusa]

did anyonje notice that 90N post was able to be moved in relation to the icebreaker...

so the icebreaker charges lots for tourists to break ice to a predetermined spot and they plant a flag and people feel they got their monies worth...

doesnt prove its the north pole... the shadows arent long enough either...

also the electric nature of the earth means the poles appear when the frequencies are in harmony.... much the same as a a portal opening on most mountains for just seconds sometimes as often as once a month depending on the mountain tops position on the planet... the "holes" arent there all the time.....

at least this is what the maninblack told me.....

you think they faked the location?

by how much did they "miss" the entrance2empty earth?

dollanagua, "this photo doesnt prove anything"

:D:D

[dollanaqua]

you think they faked the location?

by how much did they "miss" the entrance2empty earth?

dollanagua, "this photo doesnt prove anything"

:D:D

"...it could be a freemason hiking holiday!"

:D

[hadabusa]

Yeah, plus the fact that it says 90N. I'm not convinced either way, therefor I keep an open mind. Anything less would be ignorant.

brutality!

:D

cukoo, you sound like you live in 19th century.


ohdear,im pissing my guts out.

[dollanaqua]

This'll bring them up to date:

Iced Earth-1776 - YouTube

:D

[hadabusa]

"...it could be a freemason hiking holiday!"

:D

when you think it doesnt get any better, it goes and does.

look at it closely&read the comment by "them"("what i know")

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28289&postcount=21

later, this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29318&postcount=35

im downloading screenshots,, thiss hall of fame worthy.

:)