Heavy censorship & disappearing posts

[clint eastwood]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Doesn't David Icke risk life and limb, all on his own, to hold onto this freedom? I can understand certain behaviour being deemed intolerable beyond general chat, but inside general chat?

This forum is the police state.

I wonder if this thread shall be deleted, or possibly hurriedly locked before anyone has the chance to discuss what's wrong around here. :cool:

[sean]

Inside General Chat people insulting eachother and generally putting people who haven't migrated from another forum off from posting is also intolerable.

If you look at the threads or posts i have deleted of yours specifically you'll see why, i hope. It goes beyond general chit chat into the realm of poking fun needlessly and creating a bad vibe, which would put most other people off from ever visiting this forum again.

Sorry if you disagree with anything i'm doing here, but i really am all for freedom of speech. However, this is a forum, which can quickly degenerate into a playground of attacks and insults if it isn't properly moderated.

[trinity1]

Inside General Chat people insulting eachother and generally putting people who haven't migrated from another forum off from posting is also intolerable.

I would have thought that David Icke would choose likeminded people as admin for his forum, ie. those dedicated to promoting TOLERANCE. If people want to insult each other surely they should be allowed to get on with it? After all a forum is meeting place for discussion and that discussion should take the form that the forum members want, not what the moderators want.

If you look at the threads or posts i have deleted of yours specifically you'll see why, i hope. It goes beyond general chit chat into the realm of poking fun needlessly and creating a bad vibe, which would put most other people off from ever visiting this forum again.

I find the practice of deleting threads and posts to be very strange on a forum such as this. Nearly two pages deleted from my "hello" thread and all it was was banter. It's a strange feeling to wander into one's thread to find half of it gone and to wonder whether one is going mad. Very Orwellian.

People who visit a forum such as this and get put off by a bit of banter ought to take up a less painful passtime, such as crochet.

Sorry if you disagree with anything i'm doing here, but i really am all for freedom of speech. However, this is a forum, which can quickly degenerate into a playground of attacks and insults if it isn't properly moderated.

DOUBLESPEAK.

[sean]

There is nothing tolerant about allowing a group of people to spoil a forum for everybody else by allowing insulting and immature behavior in the name of 'freedom'. You are free to do that, but i am also free to delete it on this forum.

[thirdwave]

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Doesn't David Icke risk life and limb, all on his own, to hold onto this freedom? I can understand certain behaviour being deemed intolerable beyond general chat, but inside general chat?

This forum is the police state.

I wonder if this thread shall be deleted, or possibly hurriedly locked before anyone has the chance to discuss what's wrong around here. :cool:



I think you being a little ignorant to a few people here who are clearly demanding allot more than free speech.

[lumukanda]

this is my take on it :
people are always going on about freedom of speech, but freedom of speech has a degree of responsibility about it, you can't just disrespect other people, insult them, hurt them, hurt the place your in (this forum or any other) and then hide behind freedom of speech, thats a cop out for disrespectful people, who have no respect for anyone else.
i don't like excessive moderation on a forum, but i completely support locking threads that have no point and are just there to cause annoyance, deleting them i don't like much, but thats up to the admin to decide.
the point is there are people here who's only aim is to disrupt this place and in the process stifle any decent discussions that may be had, look at 'the forum', case in point.

[king of the mountain]

As mentioned already Sean, the authoritarian approach won't work and you will therefore always be seen as hypocritical in relation to the works of Dave Icke. It will cause more problems than it will solve, trust me.

Yellow cards this, infractions that, talking down to people as if they are kids, and deleting half the forum which is supposed to be a "General" forum anyway. It's shite mate, total crap. And so is your titles of AMINISTRATOR ON HIGH, SUPERMODERATOR WITH LOTS OF POWER and all that. Come back down to earth a bit ;)

My suggestion, take it or leave it, is that you have yet another sub forum of which you move problem or argumentative threads into. Problem solved, no need for the Hitler act.

[king of the mountain]

There is nothing tolerant about allowing a group of people to spoil a forum for everybody else by allowing insulting and immature behavior in the name of 'freedom'. You are free to do that, but i am also free to delete it on this forum.

Your part of the problem you see mate. If you didn't get all wound up and start dishing out punishments, deleting threads and making more rules then people would feel far less in inclined to take the piss, and argue with you.

[thirdwave]

As Sean, the authoritarian approach won't work and you will therefore always be seen as hypocritical in relation to the works of Dave Icke.


Do you think, being someone who has been posting obsessively for well over a year about how much you disapprove of Icke or anyone who likes his work, and also creating images of swords going through his head or drawing Devil Horn's coming out of his head... might also be viewed as hypocritical in relation to the works of David Icke??

there for anything you say, any word that comes out of your mouth clearly would be with full intention to discredit icke and anyone who supports him, like Sean.

[tru3]

My suggestion, take it or leave it, is that you have yet another sub forum of which you move problem or argumentative threads into. Problem solved, no need for the Hitler act.

Great idea. It would contain those dialogues consisting of pages and pages of detailed dissections of posts, all in one convenient place, for the few people who are interested in following them.

Call it "David's dump", or something.:rolleyes:

[king of the mountain]

Do you think, being someone who has been posting obsessively for well over a year about how much you disapprove of Icke or anyone who likes his work, and also creating images of swords going through his head or drawing Devil Horn's coming out of his head... might also be viewed as hypocritical in relation to the works of David Icke??

there for anything you say, any word that comes out of your mouth clearly would be with full intention to discredit icke and anyone who supports him, like Sean.

Ssssh, you'll have this thread deleted with this such argumentative attitude

[clint eastwood]

Ssssh, you'll have this thread deleted with this such argumentative attitude

This place is like walking on egg-shells (beware, big-brother is watching, 24/7). You can't force people to 'get on' with one another, and you can't force people to adhere to the points of view that suit your own version or reality. I've never been to a forum that doesn't have masses of people all at each others' throats, over whatever.

My posts on here were not hateful or spiteful. It was dark humour. Some get it, some don't. We're all different (and power to that).

No one thinks it's easy being a mod, or an admin, or whatever (you can't please everyone, I understand), but the people must be met halfway, not dictated to. Deleting posts was just plain ridiculous; the ultimate Orwellian move. As someone suggested, why not just create another forum where all the things judged contentious, or whatever, are moved to. :cool:

[thirdwave]

Ssssh, you'll have this thread deleted with this such argumentative attitude


well of course it will get closed, the reason you started the thread. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

Ever seen a Forum without arguing?

But forums have rules. If a moderator want's to remove a post, it's because it's gone way off topic, or turned into a name calling game.

[trinity1]

this is my take on it :
people are always going on about freedom of speech, but freedom of speech has a degree of responsibility about it, you can't just disrespect other people, insult them, hurt them, hurt the place your in (this forum or any other) and then hide behind freedom of speech, thats a cop out for disrespectful people, who have no respect for anyone else.
i don't like excessive moderation on a forum, but i completely support locking threads that have no point and are just there to cause annoyance, deleting them i don't like much, but thats up to the admin to decide.
the point is there are people here who's only aim is to disrupt this place and in the process stifle any decent discussions that may be had, look at 'the forum', case in point.

No. Freedom of speech is just that - freedom to say what one wants. There can't be any rules attached to it or it wouldn't be "free". Any impingement upon people's self-expression (agreed with or not) is not free speech. The majority of the locked/deleted posts have been ridiculing the fact that the official forum of a man who apparently endeavours to promote freedom of speech and tolerance is already in blatant opposition to these things. Perhaps the irony of this is what is prompting some people to act up a little?

Apparently, the people who post on forums such as this consider themselves to be "awake" to the hypocrisy that occurs the world over - yet, they cannot see that they themselves display the same hypocrisy. Just what is the admin scared of? People arguing, insulting each other? Or the uncertainty of what would happen if a community of people were left to their own devices?

The respect you speak of will come only when people are treated with a little trust so they can fnd their own way without rules. Until someone affords us this trust, it's just going to continue with same forumla: rules+people=rebellion. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.

[thirdwave]

No. Freedom of speech is just that - freedom to say what one wants. There can't be any rules attached to it or it wouldn't be "free". Any impingement upon people's self-expression (agreed with or not) is not free speech. The majority of the locked/deleted posts have been ridiculing the fact that the official forum of a man who apparently endeavours to promote freedom of speech and tolerance is already in blatant opposition to these things. Perhaps the irony of this is what is prompting some people to act up a little?

Apparently, the people who post on forums such as this consider themselves to be "awake" to the hypocrisy that occurs the world over - yet, they cannot see that they themselves display the same hypocrisy. Just what is the admin scared of? People arguing, insulting each other? Or the uncertainty of what would happen if a community of people were left to their own devices?

The respect you speak of will come only when people are treated with a little trust so they can fnd their own way without rules. Until someone affords us this trust, it's just going to continue with same forumla: rules+people=rebellion. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.



ok, Free speach means allowing others to say what they like.... now this forum is not stopping you from saying anything and is not campaigning against it, it states the rules before you post here, it states the reason the rules are in place. if people are to thick to understand it, then its best they don't chat here. its your choice, if you don't like it why not go to another forum?

there has not been 1 question that he been ignored here like you would be happy to make out.... but after about the 4th or 5th post of it, completely ignoring the guys answer it becomes a waste of space and bandwidth.

now you can make up this fantasy that there is no freedom here, but what it really means is people like you cant ruin the place like you did the last one with endless bullying and hounding on anyone who is interested in Ickes work...

over on the other forum there is no free speech so dont make out there is, you speak your mind and get linched. you slate Icke and you make friends. thats not freedom to me, you can have it.

You see, I get the impression the trick is here, is to use discussion and facts to put your argument across.... thats why people like you don't like it, because you have none.

I love it as I will be happy to DISCUSS anything about David Icke you like... if you are mature enough to do it.

[lumukanda]

No. Freedom of speech is just that - freedom to say what one wants. There can't be any rules attached to it or it wouldn't be "free". Any impingement upon people's self-expression (agreed with or not) is not free speech. The majority of the locked/deleted posts have been ridiculing the fact that the official forum of a man who apparently endeavours to promote freedom of speech and tolerance is already in blatant opposition to these things. Perhaps the irony of this is what is prompting some people to act up a little?

Apparently, the people who post on forums such as this consider themselves to be "awake" to the hypocrisy that occurs the world over - yet, they cannot see that they themselves display the same hypocrisy. Just what is the admin scared of? People arguing, insulting each other? Or the uncertainty of what would happen if a community of people were left to their own devices?

The respect you speak of will come only when people are treated with a little trust so they can fnd their own way without rules. Until someone affords us this trust, it's just going to continue with same forumla: rules+people=rebellion. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.

it's not about being afraid of people argueing, it's about being allowed to have a civil conversation with someone else without a bunch of infantile idiots ruining it for everyone.
look at the forum, the trust was given, it's a place where decent conversation has no place, it is fun, sure, but it's not serious in any way, and sometimes you need some seriousness
some of us just want a place where we can have intelligent conversation without being interrupted with rubbish, thread after thread about how stupid so and so is, it's a distraction, it's annoying, maybe thats the intellectual level that you guys are happy to associate with, but i prefer to have decent conversations that mean something, that's not to say there should be no fun, but on the forum it is a circus, really.
Freedom of speech is just that - freedom to say what one wants. fair enough, but then accept the repurcussions, in this case it's locked threads.
all the admin here is trying to do (or at least that's my asumption, i reserve the right to change my mind) is to stop this place ending up like the circus the forum is.

[king of the mountain]

well of course it will get closed, the reason you started the thread. :rolleyes:

I'll say it again because my post was deleted the first time by the Nazi mods around here....>

[king of the mountain]

a bunch of infantile idiots

Be careful, you just said the 'I' word and may have your post deleted and some silly infraction bollox points against you.

[trinity1]

ok, Free speach means allowing others to say what they like.... now this forum is not stopping you from saying anything and is not campaigning against it, it states the rules before you post here, it states the reason the rules are in place. if people are to thick to understand it, then its best they don't chat here. its your choice, if you don't like it why not go to another forum?

Like I said, you can't have freedom when there's rules. Surely you're bright enough to understand that? Look at it another way, if you can. These people some like to call the "Illuminati" have put rules in place, they tell you why these rules are in place... yet, you don't like those rules - why? Because if there's rules, it's not FREEDOM. However, the people can (and will) exercise their TRUE freedom by flouting rules and acting all rebellious. OK?

there has not been 1 question that he been ignored here like you would be happy to make out.... but after about the 4th or 5th post of it, completely ignoring the guys answer it becomes a waste of space and bandwidth.

I didn't suggest that any question had been ignored - I'm more concerned about the amount of posts/threads that have disappeared since I was on here last night. I believe it to be... excessive.

now you can make up this fantasy that there is no freedom here, but what it really means is people like you cant ruin the place like you did the last one with endless bullying and hounding on anyone who is interested in Ickes work...

over on the other forum there is no free speech so dont make out there is, you speak your mind and get linched. you slate Icke and you make friends. thats not freedom to me, you can have it.

You see, I get the impression the trick is here, is to use discussion and facts to put your argument across.... thats why people like you don't like it, because you have none.

You can't just have a "little bit of freedom"... :)

I'd like to put you straight on something here, Third Wave. I have never done anything "to" the other forum to try to ruin it... Bullying, hounding...??? WTF? I'd like to see your evidence of this, presented here (or there).

I myself actually read Icke a long time ago, and because of the state of mind I was in at the time, I believed most of what he said because I thought I saw evidence for it everywhere. But as I've got older and hopefully, wiser, I realise that we always see the evidence to prove our theories. That's the way the universe works. I realised, for myself, that this conspiracy shit fucks people up. Now, I don't know if this is being done purposefully or if the Ickes of this world really think they're doing something good - but my opinion is that the consiracy scene stinks and, thanks all the same, I'd like to tell people that.

I love it as I will be happy to DISCUSS anything about David Icke you like... if you are mature enough to do it.

I'm mature enough to do it, so long as you realise there are a myriad more interesting, relevant and accurate bodies of work we could talk about other than Icke's and that it might be possible to discuss these things, even on a forum with Icke's name in the URL.

[the king of the mountain]

Could I just take this opportunity to express my appreciation for all that David Icke is single-handedly doing for humanity.

[king of the mountain]

Could I just take this opportunity to express my appreciation for all that David Icke is single-handedly doing for humanity.

.... oops..edited

[clint eastwood]

Could I just take this opportunity to express my appreciation for all that David Icke is single-handedly doing for humanity.

No. :cool:

[thirdwave]

Like I said, you can't have freedom when there's rules. Surely you're bright enough to understand that? Look at it another way, if you can. These people some like to call the "Illuminati" have put rules in place, they tell you why these rules are in place... yet, you don't like those rules - why? Because if there's rules, it's not FREEDOM. However, the people can (and will) exercise their TRUE freedom by flouting rules and acting all rebellious. OK?



I didn't suggest that any question had been ignored - I'm more concerned about the amount of posts/threads that have disappeared since I was on here last night. I believe it to be... excessive.



You can't just have a "little bit of freedom"... :)

I'd like to put you straight on something here, Third Wave. I have never done anything "to" the other forum to try to ruin it... Bullying, hounding...??? WTF? I'd like to see your evidence of this, presented here (or there).

I myself actually read Icke a long time ago, and because of the state of mind I was in at the time, I believed most of what he said because I thought I saw evidence for it everywhere. But as I've got older and hopefully, wiser, I realise that we always see the evidence to prove our theories. That's the way the universe works. I realised, for myself, that this conspiracy shit fucks people up. Now, I don't know if this is being done purposefully or if the Ickes of this world really think they're doing something good - but my opinion is that the consiracy scene stinks and, thanks all the same, I'd like to tell people that.



I'm mature enough to do it, so long as you realise there are a myriad more interesting, relevant and accurate bodies of work we could talk about other than Icke's and that it might be possible to discuss these things, even on a forum with Icke's name in the URL.



Like I said, you can't have freedom when there's rules. Surely you're bright enough to understand that? Look at it another way, if you can. These people some like to call the "Illuminati" have put rules in place, they tell you why these rules are in place... yet, you don't like those rules - why? Because if there's rules, it's not FREEDOM. However, the people can (and will) exercise their TRUE freedom by flouting rules and acting all rebellious. OK?

:), you talking about who is bright? ...lol

for somone who was so offended at Davids Icke Email expressing how upset he was at people kicking his news letter fund in his face a couple years ago.... for somone who gets so offended that her boy friend has had his posts suspended for going on about the same thing over and over and ignoring the answers...

for somone who is demanding that this forum changes, you seem to be quite interested in rules... yet here you go on about them being bad..... you seem to think there should be a rule here where the mod is not aloud to do his job which is very much like a refery, expeshaly when people like your self come here to provoke people because you cant really take in this kind of info with out it having a negative effect on you....

if you love places with no rules, then I trust you will except Sean can ban who he likes, when he likes, because there are no rules here.


I didn't suggest that any question had been ignored - I'm more concerned about the amount of posts/threads that have disappeared since I was on here last night. I believe it to be... excessive.

sounds like you are trying to bring on some kind of new rule here.

Also you are confronting the mods judgment on these posts which is silly... he is the mod, full stop, he is in charge of this forum, its his job, if you dont like they way he does it, then you are free to leave. its a free forum, you can walk in, or you can walk out.... I think anyone with 2 brain cells can work out why so many have been deleted, because there are a group of people here who have set out to get loads of threads deleted and John White very clearly pointed this out on the other dump that this was going to be the case.

You can't just have a "little bit of freedom"... :)

Very true so why do you now allow the mod his freedom?


I'd like to put you straight on something here, Third Wave. I have never done anything "to" the other forum to try to ruin it... Bullying, hounding...??? WTF? I'd like to see your evidence of this, presented here (or there).

you would like to put me straight?, how about you listen to Sean as he has tried to get a few things straight but you seem to enjoy keeping his things skew whiff.

Regarding being a bully I do not think you are a leader, you are a sheep, you follow the hurd.... should that place all start loving David Icke and speaking him up, you would be doing the same.... but as it stands the you are comfy in the crowd... you have ridiculed me before simply for sticking up for Icke when i felt people were really talking rubbish about him... so you have been there. at the end of the day storm trooper or darth vader you all sing from the same sheet


I myself actually read Icke a long time ago, and because of the state of mind I was in at the time, I believed most of what he said because I thought I saw evidence for it everywhere. But as I've got older and hopefully, wiser, I realise that we always see the evidence to prove our theories. That's the way the universe works. I realised, for myself, that this conspiracy shit fucks people up. Now, I don't know if this is being done purposefully or if the Ickes of this world really think they're doing something good - but my opinion is that the consiracy scene stinks and, thanks all the same, I'd like to tell people that.

ok so because it fucked up your head you think it does that to everyone? you don't think this place has enough fucked up people anyway? ...."don't listen to the truth guys it fucked up your head!!" "just stay down and let them finish the job!!" ... have you ever thought that you are not to bright? and could not really get your head around it all?, and maybe should just step back from it and leave it on the back burner until you are mature enough to take it all in?

rather than come here with your cape on trying to warn people that the truth fucked up your head and acting like a pest?

What ever info David might have got wrong, or what ever view he has you don't share, it is a Fact what is going on and in some parts of the world that is now pretty much official.

I have never heard such rubbish in all my life.... you wana know what is really messed up?, that comment!. you would rather tell people this conspiracy stuff is rubbish rather than let people know that this world is being turned into a zoo?

*silly voice*
"no... it is true but its just the way David icke tells it and bla bla"

RUBBISH, everyone has their own brain, you take something in, or you leave it, you make of it what you will, its clear a vast amount of people LOVE Davids work, and its clear many hate him... move on read another book... get over it!

they feed you the fear, and you swallow it up and here you are like a good little storm trooper waiting for somone to kill the bad guy so you can take off your helmet and go home.

[suspiria]

Regardless of the superfluous tit for tat over names/IDs, heavy censorship is wrong, its whats wrong in real life and its worse here in this forum, this forum should be everything what the name at the top of the forum brings to mind, freedom of speech and thought. David Icke is all about freedom, so why is there no freedom in here, silly points systems and what not, its like treating adults like nursery kids.

Fair enough, with freedom comes responsibility but the mods have to play fair too, if it keeps up this place is going to get a bad rep netwide, and that won't look good for Davids name and work considering his name is at the top -the mods need to get their balance and understand (fast as word spreads like wildfire on the net) that their users make the forum what it is, without them there is no forum. Granted mod where its needed but GC is just that, stuff, nothing more, all the other relevent sections may be modded stricter without ruffling feathers....

Now deletion imo is like the cardinal sin, if it was slander/libel or illegal in some other way I could understand but so far all I've seen is a good laugh, and probably the best laugh I've had in ages too..only for the mods to spoil all that good energy that was created...by being to heavy and power mad.

not a good start, imo.

[andrew wilson]

Regardless of the superfluous tit for tat over names/IDs, heavy censorship is wrong, its whats wrong in real life and its worse here in this forum, this forum should be everything what the name at the top of the forum brings to mind, freedom of speech and thought. David Icke is all about freedom, so why is there no freedom in here, silly points systems and what not, its like treating adults like nursery kids.

Fair enough, with freedom comes responsibility but the mods have to play fair too, if it keeps up this place is going to get a bad rep netwide, and that won't look good for Davids name and work considering his name is at the top -the mods need to get their balance and understand (fast as word spreads like wildfire on the net) that their users make the forum what it is, without them there is no forum. Granted mod where its needed but GC is just that, stuff, nothing more, all the other relevent sections may be modded stricter without ruffling feathers....

Now deletion imo is like the cardinal sin, if it was slander/libel or illegal in some other way I could understand but so far all I've seen is a good laugh, and probably the best laugh I've had in ages too..only for the mods to spoil all that good energy that was created...by being to heavy and power mad.

not a good start, imo.

I feel that you are correct. The main issue here is the deletion of content. There is now no room for collective judgement. Someone else decided for "us" what is not acceptable, and for that reason alone I want to read what was written and the reinstating of those no longer with us.

And I am prepared to fully admit to my mistakes if this amounted to proving the actions of those moderating correct, and that would be a decision made by me on evidence witnessed by me.

[thirdwave]

well its clear you want to think that. go for your life, just so you know you are not contracted to chat here.

[mickyjay]

well in that case i hope thirdwave has had penalty points and his hateful posts removed also - now if not that would be double standards as all he has done is insult several members here for the sole reason that he does not like them.

Yes I will second that, thirdwave has to be the most insulting troll I have ever the displeasure to come across..

[edelweiss pirate]

Mods, King of the Mountain is talking to himself again..

Solution. Either find a doctor and give him some medicine...

Or, label his multiple ID's as trolls too.. that way we won't have to listen to him raving at himself and his imaginary friends...

[john white]

Regardless of the superfluous tit for tat over names/IDs, heavy censorship is wrong, its whats wrong in real life and its worse here in this forum, this forum should be everything what the name at the top of the forum brings to mind, freedom of speech and thought. David Icke is all about freedom, so why is there no freedom in here, silly points systems and what not, its like treating adults like nursery kids.

Fair enough, with freedom comes responsibility but the mods have to play fair too, if it keeps up this place is going to get a bad rep netwide, and that won't look good for Davids name and work considering his name is at the top -the mods need to get their balance and understand (fast as word spreads like wildfire on the net) that their users make the forum what it is, without them there is no forum. Granted mod where its needed but GC is just that, stuff, nothing more, all the other relevent sections may be modded stricter without ruffling feathers....

Now deletion imo is like the cardinal sin, if it was slander/libel or illegal in some other way I could understand but so far all I've seen is a good laugh, and probably the best laugh I've had in ages too..only for the mods to spoil all that good energy that was created...by being to heavy and power mad.

not a good start, imo.

True Suspiria, and deletion is something we would only do at Illusions in extreme circumstances: like people posting hardocre porn that could get us shut down. Otherwise we just move all the crud into the bin where it stays for evermore, and what people do with those threads is pretty much none of our business. But I dont feel every forum should be run like Illusions even though I feel its the best way to run our forum: the rules here dont bother me, and if we can have really good discussions on Icke and a well promoted space to lay out solutions, then I feel the style of moderating will be far less of an issue: it really depends on what the members want to do with the sopace when given a space to really do something with (same as all forums, but perhaps with a greater chance of creating something consciously)

[lumukanda]

well john posted something earlier to the effect of i don't feel restricted, and i'm inclined to agree, i'm just here to post interesting things and read interesting things, interact with people and as john said, possibly find some solutions.
imo, the only people who should be worried about banning etc are trolls.

[kristian lee]

Why is it that I had already seen the script of what was about to unfold as soon as it was announced that Icke was starting up his own forum. We all knew that this forum was going to be heavily moderated. We all knew that we would not get away with the pointless, albeit often amusing exchange of insults that quite rightly goes unchecked at the forum, but what exactly did people hope to acheive by doing it over here? Lets strip this down to the basics. Why are any of us posting over here? To get our points across. Surely it would be much better to examine the rules in place so we can find the best ways to ensure our views our put across in a way that makes them the centre of attention rather than drowning them in a sea of tit for tat arguments about moderators asking that members views be expressed in a respectful manor. Sometimes you have to play the game a little.

There is currently no validity to the argument that David is trying to censor people questioning his ideals on his forum because it has not been put to the test. We all knew the rules. We all knew that it was likely that threads that contained large amounts of petty insults that diverted attention away from the topic of discussion would probably be deleted, but there is nothing in the rules that states that you cannot put forward points of view that do not work in Icke's favour. In fact, the rules encourage you to freely discuss his work, but in a respectful way. Is that really crime of the century? So when forum members start anti-Icke threads, drown them in blatant rule breaking and then when the threads get deleted, moan that Icke is censoring them, it does to me, seem to be a little bit manipulative. You can only really claim censorship if the moderators delete threads containing anti-Icke arguments that are put forward without insulting people, and how does making your arguments in a respecful way infringe on your ability to express your point of view? Were these threads censored because of their anti Icke content? Maybe, but if that is the case, by flooding these threads with blatant rule breaking, you are playing right into the moderators hands, as they can delete these threads and still look like the good guys.

I myself am not a great supporter of Icke these days, and this is coming from someone who used to be a devotee who hung of his every word, but even so, I can understand why the moderators are starting to feel exasperated with the way this forum is heading. When it comes down to it, there really was not that much actual debating going on here, and as funny as it all is, it is not likely to inspire new members of this forum to resonate with your point of view, and if you are not looking to acheive that, then why are you here?

Do any of us believe that forums should be completely uncensored? Would you consider it acceptable to post child porn on a forum, or someones personal details such as address and phone number? Of course not, yet others would argue for people's right to do just that. Now who is the censor? But anyone would think that this is what we were arguing about judging by the way this topic has been blown out of all proportion. So what if you are not allowed to put across you point of view while calling someone a cunt. Get over it, it's not a big deal.

In case you are wondering, no I don't agree with the way this forum is moderated, but whether we like it or not, this is how it is and it is highly unlikely it will change no matter how much we protest, and in the general scheme of things, there really are more important things on here to be discussing. Surely it would be a much better idea to focus on the real reason we are here, ie, to debate Icke and his work rather than arguing about a trivial rule that does not restrict your abilty to do just that, regardless of whether the point of view you choose to express works in Icke's favour or not. If, after playing by this rule, further threads are deleted, then and only then, can we claim real censorship, but maybe we should wait to see if we come to that bridge before we worry about how we cross it.

[john white]

I myself am not a great supporter of Icke these days, and this is coming from someone who used to be a devotee who hung of his every word

As always Krisitian I maintain that this is the root of your diffculty: right there. Your choice to surrender yourself uncritically (whilst certainly not being asked to), your choice to beat yourself up for it now. By all means bring on your arguments against Icke: (hes certainly not above criticism, hes made mistakes: which are also opportunities, from another POV). Just be sure to make sure they are good ones: being familiar with most of the Icke criticism's over the years, (and the history of "The Forum") they normally contain more than a little irony and paradox. And why not counter balance your posting with focusing on the positive aspects as well?: just for a change

[kristian lee]

As always Krisitian I maintain that this is the root of your diffculty: right there. Your choice to surrender yourself uncritically (whilst certainly not being asked to), your choice to beat yourself up for it now. By all means bring on your arguments against Icke: (hes certainly not above criticism, hes made mistakes: which are also opportunities, from another POV). Just be sure to make sure they are good ones: being familiar with most of the Icke criticism's over the years, (and the history of "The Forum") they normally contain more than a little irony and paradox. And why not counter balance your posting with focusing on the positive aspects as well?: just for a change

This is typical of the way you divert attention away from things. This thread is about censorship on this forum. I wrote a long post expressing my views about exactly that, and what do you do? You ignore most of my post, yet take the two lines which have the least relevance to the argument and turn them into a new argument that has little relevance to the topic of conversation. I don't beat myself over anything, and I certainly don't need to counter balance my argument with anything postive about Icke, because my personal opinions of Icke bear no relavance to to point I am expressing. So please John, if you want to debate with me, please keep the thread on topic and please respond to my entire post, not just the 2 most trivial lines of it.

[mickyjay]

This is typical of the way you divert attention away from things. This thread is about censorship on this forum. I wrote a long post expressing my views about exactly that, and what do you do? You ignore most of my post, yet take the two lines which have the least relevance to the argument and turn them into a new argument that has little relevance to the topic of conversation. I don't beat myself over anything, and I certainly don't need to counter balance my argument with anything postive about Icke, because my personal opinions of Icke bear no relavance to to point I am expressing. So please John, if you want to debate with me, please keep the thread on topic and please respond to my entire post, not just the 2 most trivial lines of it.

He's right John you do seem to like evading certain issues and turning your attention to new arguments that have little relevance to the originating post.

It's just something I've observed no offence.

[john white]

I may be making a point that you don't want to be made, but I'm not diverting attention from anything: what's to discuss? we both agree that this forum is run the way it is and thats the way its going to be. I could equally say I have had to "endure" months of constant diversion from the points I've wished to make from posting over at "the forum": you've had those months of having Icke criticised mercilessly and unjustly, including base slander and character assasination (though not by you, I agree): now there's a level playing field. But there's no need: becuase its stating the obvious. Precisely why I did not comment on every line of your post. If rational and reasonable debate gets deleted, then you can cry "censorship": see: we agree! Even if we don't agree that your admission to being a "ex-devotee" isnt relevant to your current attitude

[thirdwave]

Yes I will second that, thirdwave has to be the most insulting troll I have ever the displeasure to come across..

well here's your blue peter badge!

[john white]

He's right John you do seem to like evading certain issues and turning your attention to new arguments that have little relevance to the originating post.

It's just something I've observed no offence.

I talk about what I feel like talking about: same as you do. If you feel I am "diverting" from what you think the thread should be about: make a post about what you think the thread should be about! its hardly difficult

[albie]

This forum is a Nazi froum.

You hate jews and you ban anyone who doesn't.

Nice people.

[thirdwave]

He's right John you do seem to like evading certain issues and turning your attention to new arguments that have little relevance to the originating post.

It's just something I've observed no offence.

no he is not right.. you have sent 8 posts and already you have got into an argument with 2 people.. and you call me a Troll.... why not go back to the other place where you will feel more at home?

[albie]

They always do that on the other forum.

[edelweiss pirate]

Mason alert.. please ignore and ban, otherwise goodbye forum...

You were warned mods!

[thirdwave]

This forum is a Nazi froum.

You hate jews and you ban anyone who doesn't.

Nice people.


you come across as a bit stupid IMO ..you have no foundations to back up your extremely insulting comments... saying this place is a nazi forum is not only extremely ignorant but its very insulting and I am personely insulted.

[kristian lee]

He's right John you do seem to like evading certain issues and turning your attention to new arguments that have little relevance to the originating post.

It's just something I've observed no offence.

And John has done it again by writing the following:

John White wrote:
I talk about what I feel like talking about: same as you do. If you feel I am "diverting" from what you think the thread should be about: make a post about what you think the thread should be about! its hardly difficult

But I did make a post about what I felt the thread should be about, a long one. Yet, he took the most irrelavant part of it, ignored the rest, then acted as if the rest of the post doesn't exist.

[albie]

You hate jews. What other word shall I use?

Debate me, go on. Anything you want. I'm no troll. I'll beat you.

[john white]

And John has done it again by writing the following:

John White wrote:
I talk about what I feel like talking about: same as you do. If you feel I am "diverting" from what you think the thread should be about: make a post about what you think the thread should be about! its hardly difficult

But I did make a post about what I felt the thread should be about, a long one. Yet, he took the most irrelavant part of it, ignored the rest, then acted as if the rest of the post doesn't exist.

You see what you want to: a weakness we all tend to share

[mickyjay]

I talk about what I feel like talking about: same as you do. If you feel I am "diverting" from what you think the thread should be about: make a post about what you think the thread should be about! its hardly difficult

Oh I can see you have taken offence, you seem unable to take any constructive critism John, I'll leave it at that. The ego has landed.

[trinity1]

you talking about who is bright? ...lol
where the mod is not aloud to do his job which is very much like a refery, expeshaly when people like your self come here to provoke people because you cant really take in this kind of info with out it having a negative effect on you....

I don't usually pick on spelling but in this case the irony is far too hilarious to let it drop.

You have admitted on the other forum that you are there to troll and act childishly, and it's obvious that you cannot help but to bring your behaviour over here too. It seems you require one set of rules for everyone else and another for you where you are allowed to name-call and spew bile, but other people's idea of having fun you call trolling..

You are a hypocrite of the highest order. Hope you have fun with that. :o

[john white]

Oh I can see you have taken offence, you seem unable to take any constructive critism John, I'll leave it at that. The ego has landed.

You see what you want to: a weakness we all tend to share

[mickyjay]

You see what you want to: a weakness we all tend to share

No John I'm seeing the truth as much as it pains me to say, because I believe you could be so much better than the egotistical person you currently are presenting yourself as being.

[john white]

Big bold letters to lecture about ego with? ;) too silly for me to take seriously mate

[mickyjay]

Big bold letters to lecture about ego with? ;) too silly for me to take seriously mate

Well I'm sorry but if you associate text size with the size of ones ego, I can see just how ridiculous it would be for me to continue with this conversion


Goodbye John

[clint eastwood]

well its clear you want to think that. go for your life, just so you know you are not contracted to chat here.

Why do you need to be so rude? What the hell's wrong with you? Andrew Wilson was merely expressing his concern. This man has done nothing to deserve such an abrupt remark. You're obviously every bit the troll that people are claiming you are. Yeah, it's people like you who are going to bully new members out of this forum. It's quite obvious that you're utterly pro-Icke, and that anyone who disagrees with you is going to be bullied.

You're the face of the police state and you don't even know it. :mad:

[horseflesh]

I don't want to see foul language and personal attacks, there's just no need for it in a forum such as this. If you want to do that then I'm sure there's a forum out there designed just for you.

I guess it could be called trollingspammingbastards.com :p

[21_12_2012]

Chill-pill anyone ?

:D

[trinity1]

"A gramme is better than a damn," said Lenina mechanically from behind her hands. "I wish I had my soma!" ;)

[stevesworld]

Get a copy of this text right away, it won't be around for long, and neither will i, i can't be arsed to type it all out again, copy & paste from another forum

Ok, so my message was deleted, and my username deleted because i asked about this:

Icke is so stupid, he doesn't know about this website:

http://web.archive.org/web/

Everything on the net, is archived

Icke's old website pages can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.davidicke.com

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031203044635/www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines.shtml

Scroll down - Richard Warman is sueing him for one million dollars (one tidy million eh? sounds like a nice round figure)

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202213522/www.cyberclass.net/million$claim.htm

Shows the 'claim' details

After a few months, all these pages were removed from Icke's website, and no annoucement was made about the outcome of the court case

Richard Warman is a Canadian Citizen
Icke is British

Was the court in Canada or Britain?

That was all i did, just politely asked about this on his forum
And i've been deleted with no reasons or explanation given

If anyone doesn't mind having the same happen to their account, try posting the above details on his forum and see if you 'disappear' as well :)

This is hilarious.

Icke's reputation as far as i'm concerned is now down the drain

If he's trying this shit again with his current 'court case' i would strongly suggest anyone that has donated money to Icke, to consider suing him (for real) and ask for their money returned

Icke - Busted !!
---

My previous username: steves_world
was deleted with no reason given. Sean why didn't you at least PM me ?

Because i have been censored in this way, i can only conclude that events are not on the level with David Icke or his team

Any mention of Court Cases and Legal Defence Funds, i want people to check for themselves, that everything is on the level, and don't just take David Icke's word for it

Icke could be taking money from people under false pretenses, and if proved, could be very serious. Ask him why he's doing this

I'm very disappointed in David Icke, trying to con money from people in this way, and his reputation is now zero with me

Of course, i won't be posted again, so bye everyone.
You'll find me over on the Unofficial Icke forum
A place where people can FREELY express their views

Hurray for the people at the Unofficial site. It's become a lot better since Icke left it :)

Seeya :)

[trinity1]

Get a copy of this text right away, it won't be around for long, and neither will i, i can't be arsed to type it all out again, copy & paste from another forum

Ok, so my message was deleted, and my username deleted because i asked about this:

Icke is so stupid, he doesn't know about this website:

http://web.archive.org/web/

Everything on the net, is archived

Icke's old website pages can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.davidicke.com

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031203044635/www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines.shtml

Scroll down - Richard Warman is sueing him for one million dollars (one tidy million eh? sounds like a nice round figure)

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202213522/www.cyberclass.net/million$claim.htm

Shows the 'claim' details

After a few months, all these pages were removed from Icke's website, and no annoucement was made about the outcome of the court case

Richard Warman is a Canadian Citizen
Icke is British

Was the court in Canada or Britain?

That was all i did, just politely asked about this on his forum
And i've been deleted with no reasons or explanation given

If anyone doesn't mind having the same happen to their account, try posting the above details on his forum and see if you 'disappear' as well :)

This is hilarious.

Icke's reputation as far as i'm concerned is now down the drain

If he's trying this shit again with his current 'court case' i would strongly suggest anyone that has donated money to Icke, to consider suing him (for real) and ask for their money returned

Icke - Busted !!
---

My previous username: steves_world
was deleted with no reason given. Sean why didn't you at least PM me ?

Because i have been censored in this way, i can only conclude that events are not on the level with David Icke or his team

Any mention of Court Cases and Legal Defence Funds, i want people to check for themselves, that everything is on the level, and don't just take David Icke's word for it

Icke could be taking money from people under false pretenses, and if proved, could be very serious. Ask him why he's doing this

I'm very disappointed in David Icke, trying to con money from people in this way, and his reputation is now zero with me

Of course, i won't be posted again, so bye everyone.
You'll find me over on the Unofficial Icke forum
A place where people can FREELY express their views

Hurray for the people at the Unofficial site. It's become a lot better since Icke left it :)

Seeya :)

Wow.

Any attempt at an explanation from the mods? Whole USERNAMES being deleted now?

[andrew wilson]

Get a copy of this text right away, it won't be around for long, and neither will i, i can't be arsed to type it all out again, copy & paste from another forum

Ok, so my message was deleted, and my username deleted because i asked about this:

Icke is so stupid, he doesn't know about this website:

http://web.archive.org/web/

Everything on the net, is archived

Icke's old website pages can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.davidicke.com

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031203044635/www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines.shtml

Scroll down - Richard Warman is sueing him for one million dollars (one tidy million eh? sounds like a nice round figure)

This page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202213522/www.cyberclass.net/million$claim.htm

Shows the 'claim' details

After a few months, all these pages were removed from Icke's website, and no annoucement was made about the outcome of the court case

Richard Warman is a Canadian Citizen
Icke is British

Was the court in Canada or Britain?

That was all i did, just politely asked about this on his forum
And i've been deleted with no reasons or explanation given

If anyone doesn't mind having the same happen to their account, try posting the above details on his forum and see if you 'disappear' as well :)

This is hilarious.

Icke's reputation as far as i'm concerned is now down the drain

If he's trying this shit again with his current 'court case' i would strongly suggest anyone that has donated money to Icke, to consider suing him (for real) and ask for their money returned

Icke - Busted !!
---

My previous username: steves_world
was deleted with no reason given. Sean why didn't you at least PM me ?

Because i have been censored in this way, i can only conclude that events are not on the level with David Icke or his team

Any mention of Court Cases and Legal Defence Funds, i want people to check for themselves, that everything is on the level, and don't just take David Icke's word for it

Icke could be taking money from people under false pretenses, and if proved, could be very serious. Ask him why he's doing this

I'm very disappointed in David Icke, trying to con money from people in this way, and his reputation is now zero with me

Of course, i won't be posted again, so bye everyone.
You'll find me over on the Unofficial Icke forum
A place where people can FREELY express their views

Hurray for the people at the Unofficial site. It's become a lot better since Icke left it :)

Seeya :)

Now that could be very damaging indeed. Is this really what the deletion of threads amounts to? The protection of certain interests? I always err on the side of caution in such situations, but this is worthy of further study, rather than flippant dismissal.

[wanderer]

I can smell something...smells like troll to me.

I'd expect nothing less from an adult male that plays with swords - we're so impressed - now go cut your ears off or something!

[trinity1]

I can smell something...smells like troll to me.

I'd expect nothing less from an adult male that plays with swords - we're so impressed - now go cut your ears off or something!


Oh come now! Didn't you feel the slightest twitch, the faintest glimmer of a muscle pulling the corner of your mouth upwards?

[john white]

I found it hilarious: but beneath the surface veneer, the intention is far from positive, and thats the problem. Can't you see beneath the surface trinity1? Does the superficial dazzle you?

[clint eastwood]

I found it hilarious: but beneath the surface veneer, the intention is far from positive, and thats the problem. Can't you see beneath the surface trinity1? Does the superficial dazzle you?

The sun dazzles me. I tried to shoot it once, but it just kept on burning my eyes.

That's a score that needs settlin'.:cool:

[annabelle]

Sunglassess maybe ? :rolleyes:

[clint eastwood]

Sunglassess maybe ? :rolleyes:

Real me don't wear sunglasses. They let their eyes burn out and roll around in their heads.:cool:

[anonamongus]

And a real identity besides someone else!