Raw Foods and Reptilians

[teslafire]

David Wolfe is a raw food messiah and resides in San Diego. He has said that a high energy raw food diet allows one to be see Reptilians. He's writing a book that will explain this shortly, just thought to introduce him to y'all if you've yet heard of him. He's a big David Icke fan too.

Here's an interview transcript:

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/davidinterview.html

[pollock]

That would make sense of peoples frantic cooking, boiling, roasting and frying paranoia (its the illuminati again:) :) :)) , Ive been wondering about that!

F

[earthseed]

I'm sure it frees up your third eye I can only use my intuition when it comes to 'seeing' the numerous other beings that fill this reality.

[Ratiocinator]

I am very suspicious about David Wolfe, and his English comrade, Shazzie www.shazzie.com .

I think they have released some amazing information, and I am even considering buying some more of their products (one-book thus far), even a website subscription (for a short while). But I smell a really big human concerning them.

Shazzie has a friend called Lucifer and another with a pentagram tattoo (see her photos page). They charge huge amounts of money for products, which are much cheaper elsewhere. They are charging £50 just to hear David Wolfe speak for a single evening. They are charging hundreds of pounds for a raw food event, to be held later this year. Hundreds of pounds (£500+) for a three-day event during which people get to hear them talk about raw foods (not much else). Shazzie has made it very clear that anyone could be removed without a stated reason from the Wolfe talk, and with no refund given, if they feel like getting rid of a person! So if they do not like your face, or you don’t smile inanely enough, then you are out the door.

Try finding torrents for their many videos (or any raw food documentaries for that matter, apart from Breakthrough) and you will not have much luck. Look through the David Wolfe subscription page and it is filled with sales gimmicks and inflated prices (e.g. you save $200 on this 40-minute interview for subscribing for a month at $30, etc.).

They both like to hang out with Uri Geller, if that means anything?

They quote a [living] Rothschild, and other elites, in their book Naked Chocolate!

Whatever their motives they are certainly very greedy. They both claim to want to improve health, save animals and improve the world. If that were the case they would allow more of their work to be seen for free, instead of charging £40 for a short video of Shazzie in the kitchen preparing foods!

People with a cause to fight for charge the bare minimum that they need to pay their bills and stay in business. They do not charge massively inflated prices for various things thus creating huge profit margins. For examples of this just look at the 9/11 / Illuminati truth movement.

Shazzie, alone, grosses around £3,000,000 per year just in raw cacao sales. Add to that the income from her online and high street shops, talks, book sales, etc., and you can get a very good idea of how much money she makes. David Wolfe is even more respected; he has been around for years in the health / raw food business, and must be making several times more than Shazzie.

Have you heard David Wolfe’s band, The Healing Waters Band? Google for some samples; they have some very interesting lyrics (I will post a link if you fail to find anything).

As I said, they have some extremely good information available, and I think I will be buying some more of their material. Their recipes are life changing and excellent. But all does not seem well with them.

[kristian lee]

I am very suspicious about David Wolfe, and his English comrade, Shazzie www.shazzie.com .

I think they have released some amazing information, and I am even considering buying some more of their products (one-book thus far), even a website subscription (for a short while). But I smell a really big human concerning them.

Shazzie has a friend called Lucifer and another with a pentagram tattoo (see her photos page). They charge huge amounts of money for products, which are much cheaper elsewhere. They are charging £50 just to hear David Wolfe speak for a single evening. They are charging hundreds of pounds for a raw food event, to be held later this year. Hundreds of pounds (£500+) for a three-day event during which people get to hear them talk about raw foods (not much else). Shazzie has made it very clear that anyone could be removed without a stated reason from the Wolfe talk, and with no refund given, if they feel like getting rid of a person! So if they do not like your face, or you don’t smile inanely enough, then you are out the door.

Try finding torrents for their many videos (or any raw food documentaries for that matter, apart from Breakthrough) and you will not have much luck. Look through the David Wolfe subscription page and it is filled with sales gimmicks and inflated prices (e.g. you save $200 on this 40-minute interview for subscribing for a month at $30, etc.).

They both like to hang out with Uri Geller, if that means anything?

They quote a [living] Rothschild, and other elites, in their book Naked Chocolate!

Whatever their motives they are certainly very greedy. They both claim to want to improve health, save animals and improve the world. If that were the case they would allow more of their work to be seen for free, instead of charging £40 for a short video of Shazzie in the kitchen preparing foods!

People with a cause to fight for charge the bare minimum that they need to pay their bills and stay in business. They do not charge massively inflated prices for various things thus creating huge profit margins. For examples of this just look at the 9/11 / Illuminati truth movement.

Shazzie, alone, grosses around £3,000,000 per year just in raw cacao sales. Add to that the income from her online and high street shops, talks, book sales, etc., and you can get a very good idea of how much money she makes. David Wolfe is even more respected; he has been around for years in the health / raw food business, and must be making several times more than Shazzie.

Have you heard David Wolfe’s band, The Healing Waters Band? Google for some samples; they have some very interesting lyrics (I will post a link if you fail to find anything).

As I said, they have some extremely good information available, and I think I will be buying some more of their material. Their recipes are life changing and excellent. But all does not seem well with them.

I spend several years in the raw food movement studying the works of many different teachers, including David Wolfe, and was in fact a 100% raw food eater for 2 years so I do have a good understanding of what you are talking about.

You have every reason to be suspicious of David Wolfe. He founded his entire career on the theft of someone elses work. David's first book, Nature's First Law: The Raw Food Diet, is actually a plaigarised verson of a book called Raw Eating that was written many years ago by an Iranian author called A T Hovannessian. You can find a comparison of the two books here: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html When I first came across this information, I found it so hard to believe that I bought a copy of Raw Eating to see for myself, and to my utter astonishment, I found that 3/4 of Hovanessian's book had been lifted virtually word for word, with Wolfe giving no credit to Hovanessian. Raw eating had been out of print for many years when Wolfe published Natures's First Law, so he naively thought he would get away with it. It was only when he was caught out that he changed later editions of the book to contain a vague message of gratitiude to Hovannessian for his contribution while still claiming authorship of the book.

David Wolfe has set himself up as a self-proclaimed messiah of the raw food world. He was taught by Anthony Robbins, and the techniques he uses to manipulate people into buying his expensive suppliments by playing on peoples fears and insecurities are similiar to that of a cult leader. I have been to two of Wolfe's talks so I have seen this first hand. The man has made millions out of the raw food movement, and could choose never to work another day in his life and still spend it in the lap of luxury, but despite the fact that he claims to be on a mission to save the planet and peoples health, he still charges an extortionate amount of money for his talks, books and suppliments. To say that the man is greedy would be a severe understatement.

I really thought that nothing could suprise me about Wolfe, but when you said that anyone could be removed from David's talks without reason or refund, I have to admit that I really found that hard to believe, but I have checked Shazzie's website and there it is in black and white. What the statement is effectively saying is that anyone who doesn't go along to David's talk with a beaming smile on their faces, moist with anticipation about what the "Great One" has to say will be removed. Well or course it has to be that way, David wouldn't want his shady past to catch up with him, would he? It is exactly the same on the forum on his website. All posts have to go through a moderator for approval before they can be posted. This is censorship at its most extreme. Heaven forbid that people should go along to David's talks with an open, yet questioning mind, for that could be dangerous for the future of the Wolfe empire. The sad fact is that more and more people are being sucked into this and parting with large amounts of hard earned cash for suppliments that promise the earth and deliver very little. While some of the information he presents is useful, most of it is poorely researched hype that plays on his audiences deeply rooted fears and insecurites, and in the age of internet, you can easily find the valuable information for free elsewhere.

I gave up on the raw food diet many years ago. The raw food movement is full of unhappy people who have been sucked into believing that raw food is the miracle answer to everything that is wrong in thier lives, and of course that isn't the case, in fact I found the reverse to be true. The whole idea of eating raw is founded on fear. Pick up any raw food book and you will find at least the first third of it filled with horror stories of what cooked food will do to, warning that if you do not change your eating habits, you can expect a multitude of horrific health problems. Most people who eat raw look thin and ill. When I was eating raw, my weight dropped to nine and a half stone and I lost all confidence in myself. Of course, the raw food teachers would argue that this is just part of the detoxification process and that I would eventually put the weight back on, but this never happened. Nor did the heightened spiritual perception or the feeling of being on a permament high that was also promised by the diet.

There are also the social implications of the raw food diet that need to be taken into consideration. Eating out or drinking with friends can prove to be a huge problem as alcohol is an absolute no no, for you will be undoing the good that the raw food diet is doing for you. I started to feel extremely isolated from my cooked food friends and this lead to my becoming depressed, not least because my new raw food social circles consisted on people who I really did not like. These people were clearly not happy with themselves or life, but masked this with a holier and thou idea that they were so much better than cooked food eaters, despite the fact that most of them looked like Aids patients in their final weeks of life.

I still do believe that it is a good idea to eat plenty of raw food in your diet, but it is a question of balance. Diet is an important part of being healthy, but so is being happy, and the restrictions the raw food diet placed on my life made me miserable as sin, and I really do believe that anyone interested in commiting wholeheatedly to the raw food diet should consider the lifestyle implications very carefully before doing so.

[whitelightrabbit]

it sounds like wolfe is going to cash in on some of icke's ideas now. :rolleyes:

[ant777uk]

I spend several years in the raw food movement studying the works of many different teachers, including David Wolfe, and was in fact a 100% raw food eater for 2 years so I do have a good understanding of what you are talking about.

You have every reason to be suspicious of David Wolfe. He founded his entire career on the theft of someone elses work. David's first book, Nature's First Law: The Raw Food Diet, is actually a plaigarised verson of a book called Raw Eating that was written many years ago by an Iranian author called A T Hovannessian. You can find a comparison of the two books here: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html When I first came across this information, I found it so hard to believe that I bought a copy of Raw Eating to see for myself, and to my utter astonishment, I found that 3/4 of Hovanessian's book had been lifted virtually word for word, with Wolfe giving no credit to Hovanessian. Raw eating had been out of print for many years when Wolfe published Natures's First Law, so he naively thought he would get away with it. It was only when he was caught out that he changed later editions of the book to contain a vague message of gratitiude to Hovannessian for his contribution while still claiming authorship of the book.

David Wolfe has set himself up as a self-proclaimed messiah of the raw food world. He was taught by Anthony Robbins, and the techniques he uses to manipulate people into buying his expensive suppliments by playing on peoples fears and insecurities are similiar to that of a cult leader. I have been to two of Wolfe's talks so I have seen this first hand. The man has made millions out of the raw food movement, and could choose never to work another day in his life and still spend it in the lap of luxury, but despite the fact that he claims to be on a mission to save the planet and peoples health, he still charges an extortionate amount of money for his talks, books and suppliments. To say that the man is greedy would be a severe understatement.

I really thought that nothing could suprise me about Wolfe, but when you said that anyone could be removed from David's talks without reason or refund, I have to admit that I really found that hard to believe, but I have checked Shazzie's website and there it is in black and white. What the statement is effectively saying is that anyone who doesn't go along to David's talk with a beaming smile on their faces, moist with anticipation about what the "Great One" has to say will be removed. Well or course it has to be that way, David wouldn't want his shady past to catch up with him, would he? It is exactly the same on the forum on his website. All posts have to go through a moderator for approval before they can be posted. This is censorship at its most extreme. Heaven forbid that people should go along to David's talks with an open, yet questioning mind, for that could be dangerous for the future of the Wolfe empire. The sad fact is that more and more people are being sucked into this and parting with large amounts of hard earned cash for suppliments that promise the earth and deliver very little. While some of the information he presents is useful, most of it is poorely researched hype that plays on his audiences deeply rooted fears and insecurites, and in the age of internet, you can easily find the valuable information for free elsewhere.

I gave up on the raw food diet many years ago. The raw food movement is full of unhappy people who have been sucked into believing that raw food is the miracle answer to everything that is wrong in thier lives, and of course that isn't the case, in fact I found the reverse to be true. The whole idea of eating raw is founded on fear. Pick up any raw food book and you will find at least the first third of it filled with horror stories of what cooked food will do to, warning that if you do not change your eating habits, you can expect a multitude of horrific health problems. Most people who eat raw look thin and ill. When I was eating raw, my weight dropped to nine and a half stone and I lost all confidence in myself. Of course, the raw food teachers would argue that this is just part of the detoxification process and that I would eventually put the weight back on, but this never happened. Nor did the heightened spiritual perception or the feeling of being on a permament high that was also promised by the diet.

There are also the social implications of the raw food diet that need to be taken into consideration. Eating out or drinking with friends can prove to be a huge problem as alcohol is an absolute no no, for you will be undoing the good that the raw food diet is doing for you. I started to feel extremely isolated from my cooked food friends and this lead to my becoming depressed, not least because my new raw food social circles consisted on people who I really did not like. These people were clearly not happy with themselves or life, but masked this with a holier and thou idea that they were so much better than cooked food eaters, despite the fact that most of them looked like Aids patients in their final weeks of life.

I still do believe that it is a good idea to eat plenty of raw food in your diet, but it is a question of balance. Diet is an important part of being healthy, but so is being happy, and the restrictions the raw food diet placed on my life made me miserable as sin, and I really do believe that anyone interested in commiting wholeheatedly to the raw food diet should consider the lifestyle implications very carefully before doing so.

Well said mate.

[gaias child]

I used to really like David Wolfe , as a long term follower of raw food and felt happy that he was a good spokeman for the raw community and when he used to talk about the benefits of fresh fruit and green leaves and wild foods and nuts and seeds for healthy nutrition. Then he moved down the superfoods route, selling goji berries at an extortionate price , when you could get them at the asian market really quite cheaply. Then Cacao maca, maca extreme, goji extract, goji juice etc, coconut and all manner of expensive superfoods, so now the diet he promotes doesn't have any fresh livng alive foods in it at all any more just dehydrated dead food under the guise of raw food.

I saw a recipe on his site recently which was as follows

3 tbs of cacao powder
3 Tbs of cacao nibs
Tbs maca
tsp maca extreme
3 tbs goji berries
1 tsp goji extract
2 tbs of cocnut oil
drops of crystal energy
salt
reishi
other ingrendients and herbs

That amount of cacao is going to give you adrenal problems and then there is addition of the salt which dehydrates you but we have got the crystal energy to rehydrate you, the cacao and maca to stimulate you and the herbs like reishi to relax you.

Most people wouldn't know whether they were coming or going with this lot.

That is what I don't understand about all this stuff. It has got nothing to do with raw natural foods. It is not accessible to those who don't have 1000s of ££££ $$$$ to spend on food.

[ithink]

I think that this idea (of eating raw food enables you to see reptillians) is simply a marketing tool. Think of what the "fans" of reptillians will do. They will go on a 100% raw food diet. An Wolfe`s income would go + 100%.

And we can see from a couple of posts in here, that this Wolfe is like a illuminati-placed-puppet to spread the misinformation.

My 2 cents... :P

[chris]

I read the interview, I didn't see any mentions of reptilians...

[thetonic]

I read the interview, I didn't see any mentions of reptilians...

lol... Chris you are up on the raw foods , I used to be way more into it... I love that post by Kristian exposing that snake ioil salesman Wolfe for what he is ..

I totally lold at that post you made about the raw foods cult a week back .. that guy is freeking scary man .. THat behaviour is totally annoying in fact most raw foodists ive met are totally annoying

Cant people just eat healthy and not turn into one of these creeps?

[lenejento]

I spend several years in the raw food movement studying the works of many different teachers, including David Wolfe, and was in fact a 100% raw food eater for 2 years so I do have a good understanding of what you are talking about.

You have every reason to be suspicious of David Wolfe. He founded his entire career on the theft of someone elses work. David's first book, Nature's First Law: The Raw Food Diet, is actually a plaigarised verson of a book called Raw Eating that was written many years ago by an Iranian author called A T Hovannessian. You can find a comparison of the two books here: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html When I first came across this information, I found it so hard to believe that I bought a copy of Raw Eating to see for myself, and to my utter astonishment, I found that 3/4 of Hovanessian's book had been lifted virtually word for word, with Wolfe giving no credit to Hovanessian. Raw eating had been out of print for many years when Wolfe published Natures's First Law, so he naively thought he would get away with it. It was only when he was caught out that he changed later editions of the book to contain a vague message of gratitiude to Hovannessian for his contribution while still claiming authorship of the book.

David Wolfe has set himself up as a self-proclaimed messiah of the raw food world. He was taught by Anthony Robbins, and the techniques he uses to manipulate people into buying his expensive suppliments by playing on peoples fears and insecurities are similiar to that of a cult leader. I have been to two of Wolfe's talks so I have seen this first hand. The man has made millions out of the raw food movement, and could choose never to work another day in his life and still spend it in the lap of luxury, but despite the fact that he claims to be on a mission to save the planet and peoples health, he still charges an extortionate amount of money for his talks, books and suppliments. To say that the man is greedy would be a severe understatement.

I really thought that nothing could suprise me about Wolfe, but when you said that anyone could be removed from David's talks without reason or refund, I have to admit that I really found that hard to believe, but I have checked Shazzie's website and there it is in black and white. What the statement is effectively saying is that anyone who doesn't go along to David's talk with a beaming smile on their faces, moist with anticipation about what the "Great One" has to say will be removed. Well or course it has to be that way, David wouldn't want his shady past to catch up with him, would he? It is exactly the same on the forum on his website. All posts have to go through a moderator for approval before they can be posted. This is censorship at its most extreme. Heaven forbid that people should go along to David's talks with an open, yet questioning mind, for that could be dangerous for the future of the Wolfe empire. The sad fact is that more and more people are being sucked into this and parting with large amounts of hard earned cash for suppliments that promise the earth and deliver very little. While some of the information he presents is useful, most of it is poorely researched hype that plays on his audiences deeply rooted fears and insecurites, and in the age of internet, you can easily find the valuable information for free elsewhere.

I gave up on the raw food diet many years ago. The raw food movement is full of unhappy people who have been sucked into believing that raw food is the miracle answer to everything that is wrong in thier lives, and of course that isn't the case, in fact I found the reverse to be true. The whole idea of eating raw is founded on fear. Pick up any raw food book and you will find at least the first third of it filled with horror stories of what cooked food will do to, warning that if you do not change your eating habits, you can expect a multitude of horrific health problems. Most people who eat raw look thin and ill. When I was eating raw, my weight dropped to nine and a half stone and I lost all confidence in myself. Of course, the raw food teachers would argue that this is just part of the detoxification process and that I would eventually put the weight back on, but this never happened. Nor did the heightened spiritual perception or the feeling of being on a permament high that was also promised by the diet.

There are also the social implications of the raw food diet that need to be taken into consideration. Eating out or drinking with friends can prove to be a huge problem as alcohol is an absolute no no, for you will be undoing the good that the raw food diet is doing for you. I started to feel extremely isolated from my cooked food friends and this lead to my becoming depressed, not least because my new raw food social circles consisted on people who I really did not like. These people were clearly not happy with themselves or life, but masked this with a holier and thou idea that they were so much better than cooked food eaters, despite the fact that most of them looked like Aids patients in their final weeks of life.

I still do believe that it is a good idea to eat plenty of raw food in your diet, but it is a question of balance. Diet is an important part of being healthy, but so is being happy, and the restrictions the raw food diet placed on my life made me miserable as sin, and I really do believe that anyone interested in commiting wholeheatedly to the raw food diet should consider the lifestyle implications very carefully before doing so.

Thanks for sharing! :) Appreciate it

Luckily, I've never spent any money on Wolfe then.

I'm trying out his smoothie, in which I use:
3tb cocoa
some cayanne
coconut milk + water
3tb maca
1tb goji berry
some honey/yacon
some cashews

What's it doing for me?
Well I feel more energetic (but could be for other reasons), feel like I can go on for longer.
Also, I've put on some more healthy weight (in the right places ;)), but could be for other reasons. It is a very rich smoothie, one glass makes me feel quite full.

I can see Wolfe being a very clever business man and marketer.

I am not all raw at all, but am eating more fruit, drinking fresh juices and having more salads etc, and I'm not gonna stress myself out over diet. :)

[chris]

lol... Chris you are up on the raw foods , I used to be way more into it... I love that post by Kristian exposing that snake ioil salesman Wolfe for what he is ..

I totally lold at that post you made about the raw foods cult a week back .. that guy is freeking scary man .. THat behaviour is totally annoying in fact most raw foodists ive met are totally annoying

Cant people just eat healthy and not turn into one of these creeps?

I think from coming from the conspiracy camp, we are just fed up of the mind control and when you see a guy blatantly appealing to the lowest common denominator you just want to sink your face deeply into your hands.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally down with raw food but I distance myself from the raw food people as much as possible:D

I'm sure there's a lot of normal people among them as well, it's just the more flamboyant amongst them make the whole lot look totally stupid.

Here's what we're talking about if other people don't know...
Go Raw Now Trailer - YouTube

The best way to start a movement is to firstly be 100% correct and secondly to appeal to the innovators. This will turn the lesser discerned innovators right off...

[chris]

As for David Wolfe ripping off his book from someone else, I think that's true for almost everyone...Raw books are pretty much identical regarding arguments for going raw, in fact doing my own research before going raw, I came up with the same arguments myself and then found that they were already written down...

I think the best people in the raw movement are the people that are living proof of raw living and humble about it. That running raw guy is an excellent spokesman and so are many women with before/after photo's...

Personally even if I become superman on raw food, I'm not even going to advocate diet, it just makes people judge you.

[particlezen]

paying that much attention to what you eat keeps you locked in body-consciousness.

how many times are we told "you are what you eat?"

food is control, keeping you focussed on your body, making you think that your body is YOU, when in fact it is just the car your mind is driving.

[chris]

paying that much attention to what you eat keeps you locked in body-consciousness.

how many times are we told "you are what you eat?"

food is control, keeping you focussed on your body, making you think that your body is YOU, when in fact it is just the car your mind is driving.

Yeah but your car would drive a lot more efficiently on good clean petrol and not junky shit that will grind your engine...No matter how careful the driver, he can help the lifespan of the engine with proper maintenance.

I agree that you shouldn't obsess over it though.

[particlezen]

Yeah but your car would drive a lot more efficiently on good clean petrol and not junky shit that will grind your engine...No matter how careful the driver, he can help the lifespan of the engine with proper maintenance.

I agree that you shouldn't obsess over it though.

that goes without saying, we all know what happens if you do the mcdonalds diet.

[gaias child]

That Living food interview is old about 10 years old, he doesn't eat like that at all any more.

He now lives on cacao maca goji berries coconut oil, marine phytoplankton algae and ormus gold and herbs.

I don't think there is anything wrong with eating foods that nature provides ie fruit and veg rather than some processed crap pretending to be raw food, still if gets people eating healthier, and they feel better for it, than maybe there is some good in it.

I have been way into raw food for a long time and those things make me feel ill in large amounts. I did it for a while and didn't feel quite right and blamed it on the raw food and kept trying more and more supplements and superfoods to get better and just got iller, you can get really hooked into it. I think some of it is useful but it is just the way it is marketed that I find offputting

I like the guy, but am suspicious esp the ormus gold, after all he does quote laurence gardner (illuminati) who first brought white gold to attention and David Hudson, not too mention what anna hayes says about it, in the monatomic gold thread, about it being an illuminati reptilian agenda.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/annahayesmonoatomicgold2000.shtml

who knows, I don't but the stuff on another website jeff rense shows how it damges your dna. I don't feel that comforable around info like that.

[tothestars]

I dont remember if i had a diet that time but 6-7 years ago i had a "heavy" meditation on the third eye and what happened is that i saw persons that in my appartment that shouldnt have been there. They were as real as eyeryone else and they were mostly ok dudes :D
Still i got a bit nervous (not afraid tho) so i am not doing it during night anymore.

I try to eat less meat nowadays and focus on vegetables and fruits but damn it is hard to change habit when you have blodtype 0 :) I guess i have to take it slowly :D

[tracker]

I read the interview, I didn't see any mentions of reptilians...

i never saw anything on reptilians iether .

looks like this dude maybe trying to cash in on the reptilian markets to sell his books .

hence the reptilian and meet thing , and his exact oposite vegi foods .


:cool:

[shankara]

I spend several years in the raw food movement studying the works of many different teachers, including David Wolfe, and was in fact a 100% raw food eater for 2 years so I do have a good understanding of what you are talking about.

You have every reason to be suspicious of David Wolfe. He founded his entire career on the theft of someone elses work. David's first book, Nature's First Law: The Raw Food Diet, is actually a plaigarised verson of a book called Raw Eating that was written many years ago by an Iranian author called A T Hovannessian. You can find a comparison of the two books here: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html When I first came across this information, I found it so hard to believe that I bought a copy of Raw Eating to see for myself, and to my utter astonishment, I found that 3/4 of Hovanessian's book had been lifted virtually word for word, with Wolfe giving no credit to Hovanessian. Raw eating had been out of print for many years when Wolfe published Natures's First Law, so he naively thought he would get away with it. It was only when he was caught out that he changed later editions of the book to contain a vague message of gratitiude to Hovannessian for his contribution while still claiming authorship of the book.

David Wolfe has set himself up as a self-proclaimed messiah of the raw food world. He was taught by Anthony Robbins, and the techniques he uses to manipulate people into buying his expensive suppliments by playing on peoples fears and insecurities are similiar to that of a cult leader. I have been to two of Wolfe's talks so I have seen this first hand. The man has made millions out of the raw food movement, and could choose never to work another day in his life and still spend it in the lap of luxury, but despite the fact that he claims to be on a mission to save the planet and peoples health, he still charges an extortionate amount of money for his talks, books and suppliments. To say that the man is greedy would be a severe understatement.

I really thought that nothing could suprise me about Wolfe, but when you said that anyone could be removed from David's talks without reason or refund, I have to admit that I really found that hard to believe, but I have checked Shazzie's website and there it is in black and white. What the statement is effectively saying is that anyone who doesn't go along to David's talk with a beaming smile on their faces, moist with anticipation about what the "Great One" has to say will be removed. Well or course it has to be that way, David wouldn't want his shady past to catch up with him, would he? It is exactly the same on the forum on his website. All posts have to go through a moderator for approval before they can be posted. This is censorship at its most extreme. Heaven forbid that people should go along to David's talks with an open, yet questioning mind, for that could be dangerous for the future of the Wolfe empire. The sad fact is that more and more people are being sucked into this and parting with large amounts of hard earned cash for suppliments that promise the earth and deliver very little. While some of the information he presents is useful, most of it is poorely researched hype that plays on his audiences deeply rooted fears and insecurites, and in the age of internet, you can easily find the valuable information for free elsewhere.

I gave up on the raw food diet many years ago. The raw food movement is full of unhappy people who have been sucked into believing that raw food is the miracle answer to everything that is wrong in thier lives, and of course that isn't the case, in fact I found the reverse to be true. The whole idea of eating raw is founded on fear. Pick up any raw food book and you will find at least the first third of it filled with horror stories of what cooked food will do to, warning that if you do not change your eating habits, you can expect a multitude of horrific health problems. Most people who eat raw look thin and ill. When I was eating raw, my weight dropped to nine and a half stone and I lost all confidence in myself. Of course, the raw food teachers would argue that this is just part of the detoxification process and that I would eventually put the weight back on, but this never happened. Nor did the heightened spiritual perception or the feeling of being on a permament high that was also promised by the diet.

There are also the social implications of the raw food diet that need to be taken into consideration. Eating out or drinking with friends can prove to be a huge problem as alcohol is an absolute no no, for you will be undoing the good that the raw food diet is doing for you. I started to feel extremely isolated from my cooked food friends and this lead to my becoming depressed, not least because my new raw food social circles consisted on people who I really did not like. These people were clearly not happy with themselves or life, but masked this with a holier and thou idea that they were so much better than cooked food eaters, despite the fact that most of them looked like Aids patients in their final weeks of life.

I still do believe that it is a good idea to eat plenty of raw food in your diet, but it is a question of balance. Diet is an important part of being healthy, but so is being happy, and the restrictions the raw food diet placed on my life made me miserable as sin, and I really do believe that anyone interested in commiting wholeheatedly to the raw food diet should consider the lifestyle implications very carefully before doing so.

Your story is similar to mine. I was on and off the raw food diet for over 4 years, and I agree with you about the drawbacks. If someone is doing it because they feel good about it, and it isn't a struggle (like me on a vegetarian diet) that is great. Unfortunately most of the people I saw online and at raw food potlucks and festivals (including me) were struggling to stay on the diet, feeling guilty when they'd have cooked food, and feeling generally that they could "eat their way to God" as if a diet could be some kind of spirituality, and to eat cooked food was a sin. The books made it sound like raw food would make you super-human, and all health problems were ignored and blamed on detox. I know of a wife of one famous raw-foodist, who has been on the diet for over 30 years yet died before the age of 60. The plagiarism of David Wolfe is often condoned ("it brings more people to the movement"), and as has been stated, to much money is being made on super-foods. If the diet is so amazing, why is there such a need to supplement?

The B-12 issue is not addressed fully enough, as a study of people on the Hallelujah Acres diet (vegan, nearly all raw) showed most people had severe B-12 and Iron deficiencies. I saw people constantly trying to purify themselves more, whether by continual fasting, or cutting out more and more foods, or meticulously counting percentages (exactly 80% of your calories from carbs, 10% protein, and 10% fat, no spices, no salt, no garlic, etc). People weren't fasting for spiritual reasons, but because of fear that they weren't pure enough, or for health issues that could be better addressed if they went off the diet. Very shortly after beginning the diet, I would always find myself completely wrapped up in it, my whole focus being on what I would eat next and and the purity of the diet. The diet made me miserable and fearful. The social aspect was very difficult too.

Again, other people will find the diet easy. People have told me that they could never be a vegetarian, but it is not a struggle for me and I don't even think about it. I just don't like the guilt and fear and superiority complexes that some in the raw food movement generate.

[chris]

Interesting posts Shankara and Kristian...

I'm more of a closet raw foodest, I just got back from a night out and no ones the wiser, I drink and eat when I'm out but when I'm at home; I eat raw and healthy.

I found it funny what Wolfe said about humans eating bugs because all apes do eat bugs and worms...I think it is a normal thing to do, yet obviously I wouldn't do it. It's just too much social conditioning, as kids a lot of people instinctively ate bugs...

His logic is flawed on the bug issue, he says it is wrong because it causes a gag reflex, well; wheatgrass creates a gag reflex but thats good? He seemed pretty pissed off to be drilled about it. I thought it was a legitimate question.

I eat drink raw milk as a bug replacement:)

Yet just because the movement is filled with ridiculous smucks doesn't mean wrong with raw food is bad. In fact I stand firmly that raw food is what we are supposed to be eating.

But if people are psychologically damaging themselves from trying to eat perfectly then they should probably go into more of an intermediate diet or else they will just blow out and keep going from one extreme to another. I did this myself but then I realised that I could let go of normal food if I ate a good intermediate diet in between eating raw.

It is very cultish and peoples responses are very interesting. My friend told me about David Wolfe but this time was the first time I saw him while reading this thread...

I instinctively stayed away from all the BS, I'm my own person and my discernment is like my guardian angel:)

[shankara]

Chris if you drink raw milk that will probably help you avoid a lot of problems. I've heard of several raw-vegans who were anemic or had low B-12 levels and raw goat milk cured them. But raw milk isn't really promoted by most raw- foodists, who are vegan. I actually like the raw philosophy in theory, but I like chocolate and pizza once in a while in practice :D. Maybe someday I'll go back to it, but only if it isn't a struggle and I'm doing it for the right reasons. Be careful of orthorexia, it can be easy to develop this on this kind of diet; I could see myself in the beginning stages.

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/orthorexia/orthorexia-1a.shtml

http://www.beyondveg.com/bratman-s/hfj/hf-junkie-1a.shtml

Good luck with your chosen path!

[chris]

Thanks Shankara, yes vegans seem to be very anal about staying completely away from animal products, for better or worse...

I've come across othorexia before and to be honest, I have think it had started to come over me...It's not that I am searching for purity in the food but I did start to obsess with getting healthier instead of simply enjoying the ride.

The detox is very real though...I've learned a lot of natural medicine and it's literally a habit to check my tongue...I never used to weigh myself (though now I do for the forum tally) but I always checked my tongue...Yet even when fasting my tongue hadn't reached this degree of white coating as it has done on this diet...

I guess the detox effects have a draining effect, while the good food has a counter balancing boost effect...When these two go together, I kind of feel a little numb but focussed and sometimes it feels like I am getting nowhere but then my tongue says different...I guess I'm used to fasting so severe detoxes let me know something happening...

The thing I've found by far the hardest on this diet is that it literally takes me 2 hours to eat a salad...I am going to start blending these salads so I can play music and paint or make up anti-nwo leaflets, something productive! You never know, I might even exercise:eek:

I like the old buddhist scriptures, desire is suffering. If you desire your old diet then you will be in a state of suffering and this state is more psychological than physical. I think anyone trying to diet needs to heal their mind just as much as their bodies...This is why these fear/gossip magazines which contradictorily congratulate and commiserate both fat and thin are so dangerous.

[chris]

I don't understand iron deficiency though...Aren't things like broccoli full of iron?

[awakensong]

Isn't this the man who finally admitted that he eats red ants in order to get enough B12 in his raw food diet?

[shankara]

Isn't this the man who finally admitted that he eats red ants in order to get enough B12 in his raw food diet?

Who said that? I've been out of the raw-food loop for awhile. Did David Wolfe admit to that?! :eek:

[shankara]

Chris, detox is very real, I just don't think if you have a cold (or worse) months and months after starting the diet it should be blamed on detox and not looked at. I've heard of stories where people are close to death but refuse to think that maybe the raw-vegan diet is the problem, and just keep eliminating more things. I'm not sure myself about why foods like broccoli wouldn't give enough iron, but here's some info on one of the studies I was talking about. It says the people on the diet were found to be low on calcium, vitamin D, vitamin B12, selenium, biotin, zinc, pantothenic acid, niacin and iron:

http://www.chetday.com/hallelujah-diet-dangers.htm

This is mainly aimed at vegans, especially raw vegans, though maybe it can answer some of your questions. Your diet of course wouldn't be vegan.

I never had a problem with any other kind of eating disorder before, but I was surprised to see that very quickly after becoming raw (same happened when I was cooked vegan years ago) I became obsessed with "purity" of my foods. I felt my identity and spirituality were tied up in the diet. I think it mostly came from my own insecurities (thinking I had to earn my way to God and not realizing I could simply accept the truth of my divine nature as I was) as well as from a lot of the information/propaganda in the raw movement. There are so many who have websites and blogs just because they are raw, and it's obvious from their sites that even years into being raw, it is still the focus of their lives and they almost give themselves a "raw identity". One woman had been raw-vegan for at least 3 years, yet kept blogging about she had to keep monitoring and adjusting/eliminating more foods because she still wasn't feeling quite right. I guess it is understandable that the diet would become their focus though because they've had to sacrifice a lot and even be socially isolated to be raw. At this point, could someone like David Wolfe go back to being cooked even if he wanted to? He'd have to give up is income as well as his identity as a "raw guru." I guess that's why I've heard the stories about people eating cooked foods in secret!

The diet is time consuming, but the blended salad thing is a good idea. I used to juice a lot but then realized that vegetables come with fiber and aren't meant to be consumed that way (really expensive too!). Unless you are very sick and need massive amounts of nutrients quickly, I'd say just eat foods whole. Blending is fine though, because you still ingest the whole food, so long as you don't mind the taste! How long have you been on the diet for? The tongue test is good. You haven't eliminated the mucoid plaque yet have you? :eek::D

[lenejento]

I don't understand iron deficiency though...Aren't things like broccoli full of iron?

I also wonder about this. Also apricot kernels are supposed to be packed of vitamin B12.

You haven't eliminated the mucoid plaque yet have you?

What are your experiences with this, beneficial?

[chris]

I've been on the raw diet for about 2 weeks now:) I went out last night and ate...When I came back I had 4 apples to try to push it through but my teeth are a little sensative to apples and one feels still a bit soft...I'm going to go onto a cooked gluten free diet for the next few days because it doesn't involve much chewing...I've had this happen before when I eat apples...I'm glad in a way, my detox is quite severe as a rash has broke out so hopefully i'll get that under control before going back into it...

What are your experiences with mucoid plaque? I am not sure if I had that out because it was after a fast and it literally looked like dried cartilage...Really crazy stuff...

[carsick]

yeh not all raw foodys are stuck up image cunts! bet theres some very annoying ones in america. i hate attracting attention and try to avoid it , i dont go round with a preachy attitude , i find its the other way round , when ppl notice im a health freak they almost seem to feel offended by me eating healthyly or something, like it must high light there own health concerns so THEY always bring it up and ask me the same stupid questions over an over , but by the end it looks as if its me with the point to proove , i dont feel superior , i can completely understand why ppl wud eat cooked , i still get cravings every now an then , but its about beleifs, i like the thought of eating naturally and like an animal , but yeh the social aspect of it is a tricky one , im makin ajustments just recently from my 100% t total STATUS ha.

yeh like my spelling

[shankara]

LOL, no I've never eliminated it, but here's some photos :D (WARNING - VERY GROSS, BE PREPARED!!!):

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=photos+mucoid+plaque&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

I think it would be beneficial, but only if you would never eat anything toxic again, as the plaque supposedly protects you from toxins but also prevents
full nutrient absorption.

[chris]

THEY always bring it up and ask me the same stupid questions over an over , but by the end it looks as if its me with the point to proove ,

Yeah lol, I've noticed that...That's why if someone manages to get it out of me, and they ask if it might not be nutritious, I tell them 'probably not.'

[chris]

LOL, no I've never eliminated it, but here's some photos :D (WARNING - VERY GROSS, BE PREPARED!!!):

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=photos+mucoid+plaque&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

I think it would be beneficial, but only if you would never eat anything toxic again, as the plaque supposedly protects you from toxins but also prevents
full nutrient absorption.

I did on a fast once, it came out really harsh...I broke the fast a few days earlier and I couldn't sleep for several days, I then was laying in bed and I felt these massive stomach contractions and then I literally felt the plaque break up into several pieces, it then all came out in one go as really hard cartilage and it ripped my ass to shit...Afterwards it felt absolutely amazing, my mind was flying, I went to bed and had many visions...It was amazing.

I don't think it was plaque soley but it was all the toxins I accumilated during that 28 day fast...If you want more details I'll link you to my thread where I describe it much better.

[kblood]

I dont really understand the whole concept of taking food out of your diet. I think it seriously daft to try avoiding salt and fat completely like I know a few people who have tried. In the US when I was visiting there, they went the other way around. They promote avoiding... I dont remember but it was fiber or proteins, because without these in the diet the fat wouldnt bind itself.

Here something about it:
Reference Daily Intake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyone got any comments on that? Agree or disagree?

But why not just aim for a well rounded diet instead of trying to cheat your way to be able to eat more unhealthy food without it showing?


Still I know of two who seems to know what they are talking about when it comes to raw foods and diets:

http://www.rawcuisine.co.uk/
Holly Paige is the admin of this website / blog I think. Quite alot of interesting stuff posted there, and she is very much into raw foods at least when I met her and heard her at the Alternative View that Ian Crane held in Totnes.

I think Philip Days main website is:
http://credencegroup.co.uk/

Or at least it seems to be where his books are sold. He promots water and salt very much, and says that it has been proven that oxygen stops the growth of cancer, and enough of it would even cure it. He also says that cancer is not a disease on its own, just a symptom that the body is unbalanced. When I heard him at the Alternative View, he spoke alot about how cancer is caused by the new trends of diet we have. Most the stuff we drink have high levels of sugar or other minerals that makes water flow through your body rather than keeping it in the body. Salt makes the body capable of holding more water though.

Smoking is something he really frowns on, since it just makes your body alot lower on oxygen. Worse at keeping oxygen in the body and getting it into the body.

I smoke (when with friends and drinking, so mostly in weekends when I am not just at home), I drink and I dont exactly watch my diet. At least not conciously. I eat salad or vegetables to some of my food, because I like it and its easy to come by in my companys cantina. Still I also eat meat, junk food and such. I still do eat about a piece of fruit or two daily and at least some weeks I drink water, although there are days where I just drink juice or soda. I know its not good, especially soda. It doesnt exactly quench any thirst in any real way.

Interestings posts in this thread by the way :)