Have you experienced that One state?

[cleft_asunder]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.

[timestop24]

I did have a lucid dream once when I thought I became one with the stars in the sky. I also could feel myself(maybe my "spirit") try to leave my body. A real physical-pulling sensation. I dont think it was a near death experience though.
It was pretty freaking awesome. :)


I think I also read somewhere that everything on earth is composed from star dust...

[i am all i am]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.

It is an achievable state of being to live in. ALL THAT IS is infinite and there are no ultimate or absolute states of being. It is merely one state of being within infinite states of being.

He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love.

Using words to describe that which is infinite is only that. A description. Infinite words would be required to describe infinity, and then there would still be other aspects of infinity to describe.

So, it is both this description and all other descriptions combined.


With LOVE.

[rainmaker]

Yes. Words cannot describe it, so I won't :)

P.S. IamallthatIam, the question was, have YOU experienced it? :)

[_invisibleplane_]

yes I've felt it, I feel at home, I feel like everything is connected/one and thus infinite, if that is so, there is no fear

I've also had naturally induced obe's, very spiritual-god realization dmt experiences, and have felt one with another soul in the physical expression of oneness/love, they all are similar in the sense of feeling oneness/connection beyond the physical

this feeling/remembering I rely on very much to get me through the challenging times in this world

[lightbeing]

I may have experienced it a few times, but I wish it could be more achievable though, too many distractions though:mad: ....................

[i am all i am]

Yes. Words cannot describe it, so I won't :)

P.S. IamallthatIam, the question was, have YOU experienced it? :)

G'day Rainmaker,

I'd say that this is for me.

We all experience oneness every moment. It is merely our perception, or awareness, of the oneness that determines our experience of it.

So, yes I have experienced it and continue to do so, and I am aware of the experience.


With LOVE.

[welfarewarrior]

nope
feet burning quite frequently thou

[tommi]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.

I can tell you through experience that it is absolutely pure ecstasy. It's beyond thought or ideas, perception or beliefs, emotion or consciousness. It's actually our natural state, just ask anyone who can remember far enough back in their life, like being 1 to 2 years old or younger. It's only when we begin forming 'ideas' about life and tagging everything that we begin our fall from grace as it were. You will never 'work out' how to get there, it has nothing what so ever to do with intellectualism. It's not about being at one with God, it's knowing beyond any doubt that you are God. You are the creator of life, how amazing is that! When it begins to happen, you stop seeing a tree as a tree or thinking of yourself as this person you're meant to be. Life is suddenly hilarious when you catch a glimpse of the infinite. Goes does the desire to try and change people and 'make them see' what you think life is all about. But let it be known, their is a lot of bad shit going on in the world today, I'm not saying turn a blind eye because you're now in ecstasy and have remembered you ancient self. Indeed, we need to return to our full powers and confront the filth that has blighted our lives and our planet for so long. You see, that is what the illuminati are so damn scared of as they know full well we are vastly more powerful than they, and they will do absolutely anything to try and stop us remembering. Let's just say, they are in the last chance saloon.
When I refer to 'they' I'm merely referring to the power that seeks to stop us remembering ourselves. I'm not trying to create an us and them mentality..

[welfarewarrior]

i know of someone who has
http://i13.tinypic.com/2cx9i01.gif
;)

[emma royds]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.

It is not possible to achieve unless you are eating the right food. You need to cut out all sugar as it make the mind chatter, just eat and drink only pure things. Then you must observe the thoughts, and just be.

[bigus_dickus]

It is not possible to achieve unless you are eating the right food. You need to cut out all sugar as it make the mind chatter, just eat and drink only pure things. Then you must observe the thoughts, and just be.

no, you don't need anything, anything at all. and you don't even need this experience. it's not an experience, it is the truth. we experience this all the time and we are constantly into this experience even right now. iaaia is right, you don't need to do and think anything other than "open up", or "stop limiting" your awareness. it's not some state of bliss and high, if you want that go get some drugs and get fixed. it's what we really are.

what it is, to be aware that is, is to never forget who you are, not only in good times, but always.

[welfarewarrior]

It is not possible to achieve unless you are eating the right food. You need to cut out all sugar as it make the mind chatter, just eat and drink only pure things. Then you must observe the thoughts, and just be.

there's no such thing as pure foods everything is contaminated

[cleft_asunder]

Yes. Words cannot describe it, so I won't :)

P.S. IamallthatIam, the question was, have YOU experienced it? :)

Yes but was the experience good or bad?

[tommi]

The first time I came into 'contact' with kundalini was horrendous. It felt and sounded like a road drill coming through my crown, and what followed wasn't exactly great :D

[rossus]

"I" used to experience that One state,
now it's getting more and more clear that the One is experiencing that Me state...

Body & Mind both appear in the truth of who you are... which is love, also known as the heart :)

I just finished "the diamond in your pocket" by gangaji. I read it very slowly, so i took me a couple of months. It helped me a lot to understand more what the oneness thing is all about.

peace

[Anders Lindman]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.

All the time, man, all the time. Just kidding! :D Eckhart Tolle said something interesting about the state of what he sometimes calls space consciousness. He said something like: "If you can remember it, then that's not it". Even better, perhaps, is Ken Wilber's description of, and distinction between, states and stages. A state is a temporary experience of for example oneness and bliss, while a stage is a permanent trait. A state in the form of a peak experience can be helpful to get a glimpse of a higher/deeper understanding, but it is only a temporary "peek".

[chester]

"I" used to experience that One state,
now it's getting more and more clear that the One is experiencing that Me state...

Body & Mind both appear in the truth of who you are... which is love, also known as the heart :)

I just finished "the diamond in your pocket" by gangaji. I read it very slowly, so i took me a couple of months. It helped me a lot to understand more what the oneness thing is all about.

peace

I have had a long life where one could say that the person, Chester, has changed quite profoundly. This occured because of a major epiphany where I realized (as stated well by the words quoted above) that the world (including this body/mind thing I see as me) is simply arising within Me. It is a completely opposite foundational view as what we mostly operate upon. But by this fundamental change as to how I perceived myself, the obvious conclusion was the it is all ONE and that each individual can see this for themselves. For me, this breakthrough turned my world upside down and forced me to reinvent the person, Chester. For example, before it was easy to lie. Now its not an option because I am only lying to myself.

I will add that what I wrote is words and these words can only point to truth, but is not of itself truth. I Am That I Am... knows what I am expressing. Words frame / define and that results in some sort of limit or comparison. How can the All That Is (and not even that) be defined? The words are simply pointers.

Another thing about that state of Oneness. For me now, even though I rarely go into that pure, bissful state... the effect of that experience has not left me. I cannot not see you as me in essesnce. I cannot pretend anymore that you are not me. That the trees are not, that the air and sky are not. That the good, the bad, the ugly and on and on are not. That the unknown is not. All this and more are constantly arising within the Infinite Me. And that is all fine. Its also why I do not ever see anyone as "souless" so to speak, althought there appear to be manifestations of the All That Is whose intentions are to end all phyiscal life (or at least enslave 99.99% of it for their own aims).

[cleft_asunder]

Lots of good feedback.

[tru3]

no, you don't need anything, anything at all. and you don't even need this experience. it's not an experience, it is the truth. we experience this all the time and we are constantly into this experience even right now. iaaia is right, you don't need to do and think anything other than "open up", or "stop limiting" your awareness. it's not some state of bliss and high, if you want that go get some drugs and get fixed. it's what we really are.

what it is, to be aware that is, is to never forget who you are, not only in good times, but always.

thanks, b.d.

post number 111. magic! :)

I have had a long life where one could say that the person, Chester, has changed quite profoundly. This occured because of a major epiphany where I realized (as stated well by the words quoted above) that the world (including this body/mind thing I see as me) is simply arising within Me. It is a completely opposite foundational view as what we mostly operate upon. But by this fundamental change as to how I perceived myself, the obvious conclusion was the it is all ONE and that each individual can see this for themselves. For me, this breakthrough turned my world upside down and forced me to reinvent the person, Chester. For example, before it was easy to lie. Now its not an option because I am only lying to myself.

I will add that what I wrote is words and these words can only point to truth, but is not of itself truth. I Am That I Am... knows what I am expressing. Words frame / define and that results in some sort of limit or comparison. How can the All That Is (and not even that) be defined? The words are simply pointers.

Another thing about that state of Oneness. For me now, even though I rarely go into that pure, bissful state... the effect of that experience has not left me. I cannot not see you as me in essesnce. I cannot pretend anymore that you are not me. That the trees are not, that the air and sky are not. That the good, the bad, the ugly and on and on are not. That the unknown is not. All this and more are constantly arising within the Infinite Me. And that is all fine. Its also why I do not ever see anyone as "souless" so to speak, althought there appear to be manifestations of the All That Is whose intentions are to end all phyiscal life (or at least enslave 99.99% of it for their own aims).

beautifully said, chester.

isn't it interesting about this 'soul-less' phenomenon? one is so tempted, when one walks up to the edge of the abyss, to populate it with monsters and ghosts. i do it myself to this day.

there's no-body in there 'cept us chikkens.... ;-)

[quelyn]

cleft,

It is worth it! There are many paths to God, love, bliss and so forth. My humble experience has manifested during/after visits to sacred spots. Frequently, in connection with "love" from various things: loving friend, animal, newborn, blooming tree! Bringing this back in for living in the 9 to 5 is most disheartening...............searching for that constant state!
Namaste'

[emma royds]

no, you don't need anything, anything at all. and you don't even need this experience. it's not an experience, it is the truth. we experience this all the time and we are constantly into this experience even right now. iaaia is right, you don't need to do and think anything other than "open up", or "stop limiting" your awareness. it's not some state of bliss and high, if you want that go get some drugs and get fixed. it's what we really are.

what it is, to be aware that is, is to never forget who you are, not only in good times, but always.

Well you have your opinion and I have mine, so lets agree to disagree.

[emma royds]

there's no such thing as pure foods everything is contaminated

O.K, what do you call an apple that has been organically grown then?

[cleft_asunder]

Check out this video by Gangaji. Thanks for introducing me to her.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5165452361778329471&q=gangaji&hl=en

[cleft_asunder]

Well you have your opinion and I have mine, so lets agree to disagree.

I agree with you partly. It's not like taking SSRI anti-depressents will help you awaken. And eating good food makes you calm and unstressed. I know it's all contaminated, but we can still eat the best of what we've got.

I disagree that sugar is bad for you. I wouldn't eat it if I were meditating, but it is essential to the body. I don't want to turn this into a food thread.

[cleft_asunder]

O.K, what do you call an apple that has been organically grown then?

It's not organic. Maybe it's a little better, but not organic. I've never seen an organic apple with a worm in it.

[chester]

Some of us have explored (worked with teachers, meditated upon, read about) the concept of non-duality. The reason I bring up this component is the comments made by Bigus Dickus and Emma Royds are, for me... both right. And I am willing to bet that Bigus Dickus would agree with that and that Emma probably would not.

What Big was saying (in my interpretation) is that we are in the fully enlightened state at all times. That whatever the me - my gross body mind is into at any time is totally and fully enlightened and doing and being what it is to be doing and being.

I have had some friends who swear by meditation and claim that a person cannot make leaps in their development as fast nor as anchored without meditation. Well, I have done so (if you only knew what a jerk I was when much younger) and am continuing to do so without traditional meditation. In fact, I view life as being what I call "a constant walking meditation." How this relates to non-dual and why I bring that up is that all the things we do related to our physical form, eat vegitarian or all organic, etc. may be a fine thing and one may live longer, set a better example for others, and set the table so that they may have more fulfilled meditative experiences. Still, what some masters have mentioned is that when they achieved these states (and in some cases achieved long periods of nirvana) they were left with this understanding of non-dual - of One Taste. In that is no judgement, there is no better nor worse "way" There is no "more enlightened path." Its all one thing, one experince... one taste.

One of the wisest people I ever met once told me (and most of us have heard this) - "It's all good." That person is my fifteen year old son. He seems by far more enlightened than myself (being honest here), but he also plays endless hours of World of Warcraft, makes weird movies and puts them on Google Videos and goes with his friends to the beech and may sneak some alcohol. From my view now, he is always and only fully and completely enlightened.
He is also fairly awakened as he did a book report for school on Children of the Matrix!

[tru3]

O.K, what do you call an apple that has been organically grown then?

well, it has been called organic, but in the not-too-distant future, when the organic apple is cross-pollinated with genetically modified apples (an inevitable fact we're all going to have to deal with, imo), who knows what it will be called? :confused:

[emma royds]

It's not organic. Maybe it's a little better, but not organic. I've never seen an organic apple with a worm in it.

O.K then, define organic

[emma royds]

Some of us have explored (worked with teachers, meditated upon, read about) the concept of non-duality. The reason I bring up this component is the comments made by Bigus Dickus and Emma Royds are, for me... both right. And I am willing to bet that Bigus Dickus would agree with that and that Emma probably would not.

What Big was saying (in my interpretation) is that we are in the fully enlightened state at all times. That whatever the me - my gross body mind is into at any time is totally and fully enlightened and doing and being what it is to be doing and being.

I have had some friends who swear by meditation and claim that a person cannot make leaps in their development as fast nor as anchored without meditation. Well, I have done so (if you only knew what a jerk I was when much younger) and am continuing to do so without traditional meditation. In fact, I view life as being what I call "a constant walking meditation." How this relates to non-dual and why I bring that up is that all the things we do related to our physical form, eat vegitarian or all organic, etc. may be a fine thing and one may live longer, set a better example for others, and set the table so that they may have more fulfilled meditative experiences. Still, what some masters have mentioned is that when they achieved these states (and in some cases achieved long periods of nirvana) they were left with this understanding of non-dual - of One Taste. In that is no judgement, there is no better nor worse "way" There is no "more enlightened path." Its all one thing, one experince... one taste.

One of the wisest people I ever met once told me (and most of us have heard this) - "It's all good." That person is my fifteen year old son. He seems by far more enlightened than myself (being honest here), but he also plays endless hours of World of Warcraft, makes weird movies and puts them on Google Videos and goes with his friends to the beech and may sneak some alcohol. From my view now, he is always and only fully and completely enlightened.
He is also fairly awakened as he did a book report for school on Children of the Matrix!

Well I have to say Chester that I do agree that we are in the enlightened state all the time, if you are talking about that part of us that is referred to as being our true nature, ie higher self, super ego, holy guardian angel, but for the most part we are not in touch with our true nature, and need to find our way back to our true selves by means of correct living. Of course what we are experiencing is an illusion, a big dream.

[earthseed]

Yes I have and no I didn't need drugs to do so. I made the intention of knowing it before I went to sleep for some reason that in between state made it possible for me to know it. After that you will feel it from there on out. Sometimes I will tune in to it and sometimes it will tune in on me. Let me tell you when it tunes in on you that is one humbling experience. Those who aren't into the idea aren't ever going to know it. This is just consciousness after all. I don't know if I can describe what it is actually it's just really I think an awareness of something beyond this prison reality that is real and so much better.

[chester]

Thanks Emma, and you bring up a dilema (at least for me).

What is "correct living?"

I mean certainly both you and I agree that to kill someone is not correct living. What about to steal from someone? What if a man had a wife who was dying of some terrible disease that could be cured by some drug which he cannot afford. And he breaks into the pharmacy to steal this drug for his wife. Is this correct living? There are some that say stealing is stealing and that to do so is wrong.

I think what Big was saying is that we are already there... yes we have this dream / illusuion. But who of us really knows the secret to getting out of it or the secret to attaining heaven on earth for all and forevermore? And who can answer the question, who am i?

Some of us suggest that by realizing that it is impossible for a finite being to make the rules for correct living that attains their state of being where they are once again (and only) the All That Is - where correct living cannot even be as there is no contrast in this dimension (nor a dimension for that matter - sadly I am limited to words here).

[tru3]

I have had some friends who swear by meditation and claim that a person cannot make leaps in their development as fast nor as anchored without meditation. Well, I have done so (if you only knew what a jerk I was when much younger) and am continuing to do so without traditional meditation. In fact, I view life as being what I call "a constant walking meditation." How this relates to non-dual and why I bring that up is that all the things we do related to our physical form, eat vegitarian or all organic, etc. may be a fine thing and one may live longer, set a better example for others, and set the table so that they may have more fulfilled meditative experiences. Still, what some masters have mentioned is that when they achieved these states (and in some cases achieved long periods of nirvana) they were left with this understanding of non-dual - of One Taste. In that is no judgement, there is no better nor worse "way" There is no "more enlightened path." Its all one thing, one experince... one taste.

chester,

welcome to the "recovering jerks anonymous" club! i'm a founding member. :D

a couple of quick observations...

1) sounds like you're speaking of contemplation. i agree; contemplation is the way to go, at least where i'm at right now. we really don't have "time" any more to sit around in an ashram for 20 years any more; the planet seems to be "quickening", and, at any rate, our culture doesn't support groups of people sitting around gazing at their navels. i'm not saying the culture is right or wrong, i'm just saying i've talked with many people in various group spiritual communities and, in general, they just don't seem to be "working" any more.

2) after an experience of "one taste", right living/dharma becomes even MORE important, imv. those who have "tasted" become compelled to "unpack" the experience for others, as impossible as it is to explain it with words. if i'm spouting off about my "enlightenment" and yet i'm still creating drama in my relationships, finances, etc. then most people will be skeptical of my claims, despite their obvious presence to me.

3) there is a phrase in the spiritual community: "selling water by the riverside". as some tried to share their experience of one taste, what they found was that people could not believe Truth is as simple as it is. so, they created all kinds of "hoops" for people to jump through, because the people believed they needed to jump through them.

ironic, no? ;)

welcome to the forum, btw! :)

[cheeb]

This sounds a bit like the morality drama that is used by born again christians
Heres the scenario:

You are a bus driver going down a steep hill,your bus is full of passengers

your breakes fail

you are headiing towards a village on the right side is a group of people'some pregnant mothers.

on the left a steep crevace ,certain death for you and your passengers

in front of you a small child crossis the road,you notice him and realise it is your son

what do you do

[chester]

Thanks Tru3 and as to point 2, I still sometimes create a bit of drama in various areas of my life - dealing with the demons of a little too much drink now and then. Everything you said resonates. Also, the term contemplative prayer and just contemplative practice has been used by some of my (same) friends - its all in the same basket maybe with the difference being - just like you said, we aren't talking about the methods so much, we are talking about the essense of what one is doing this for in the first place. Spent much more time than the average person is even afforded in contemplation (and the world is certainly glad and the better for it!)

I should mention that I reread a few of my posts and I could understand how one would maybe think I am amoral or maybe better stated "moral-less." In fact, the shifts in my development that I attribute to this undisciplined practice of mine has produced a profoundly different level of behavior that an outside observer might characterize as being quite moral or "correct." But whereas actions along those lines in my early life would more often than not be based upon a strategy of what being "good" could get me, now its just a matter of natural being. And that is a result of a good deal of contemplation and a few "ahas!" along the way. We are together there on your point.

And then that drives the bodhisattva thing (which is another beast that can easily get out of hand and is also what seems to have happened to Icke). It's this strange drive I now have to push people to awaken. And yet who am I to truly know what is awakened? In the worldly sense, and along David's lines, many who have opened their eyes can agree to the pushing of the subject matter as long as its done where we leave the poor person with the suggestions to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. But when it comes to sharing about and then pushing enlightenment (as If I would really know what that is) the waters are much less clear. Suffice it to say, that our example speaks the loudest.

cheeb - great story - what a dilema!

[vintage65]

Don't suppose anyone will get this are be able to tell me how to get heard on here. Or get a message that would actually reach David Icke because I don’t think a lot of my fellow conspiracy theorists are quite getting the picture. I know you must come across a lot of idiots on here. Claiming to know a little more than everyone else, and just ignore them. But what if like me they actually do have something to say that needs to be heard. And isn't stupid enough to air it over the internet. I am going to keep posting this same message until someone hopefully David Icke himself replies. Wish me luck I think I’m going to need it on here!

vintage65@blueyonder.co.uk

[chester]

Vintage, I for one would take what you may have to speak about very seriousely and there are lots of other folks who would to. Realize that there is a small minority of those who have opened their minds as many have here. Still, there are debunkers and naysayers but in truth, who really cares what they may think anyway? Icke doesn't care. And he ceratinly doesn't try to sell anyone anything. Anyway, you have nothing to lose by sharing experiences here. If you are afraid, they win. see a post I made tonight related to shape shifting. I am not afraid nor care if anyone laughs or believes I am telling the truth.

[phenylamine]

I would have to say in this instance that is it less a logical mental proccess and more of an instict thing.I would say that I would do my best to injure or kill as few as possible,but really I doubt thinking would play much of a role.Would my natural instinct be to head for the cliff?,or head for the crowd?,I dont think its possible to say for sure until after the fact.I am pretty sure my natural instict would include avoiding my son though.Split second decisions have never been known to be logical poccesses of the mind,but something much more basic and intuitive.

[2013]

Becoming More Like God
Jah Wobble's Invaders Of The Heart

I've just remembered who I am
More than a long lost anagram
I've just remembered who I am
Slightly more than just a woman or a man
Becoming more like god
Becoming god
I've just seen who you really are
Impossibly funicular
I've just seen who you really are
An astonishingly accomplished avatar :D

yes i have experienced it several times to greater or lesser degrees ,when it was not sought as well so more meaningful to me in that sense .:D

[cheeb]

AHA but you are not making spltt secnd decisions in this case you are being forced to think about a moral dilemma and come to your own conclusions ther is an answer to this ,it caused me to get beat up by born againers on st ives sea front ,but hey thats their mission ,their B each ,
U nited
M ission.

[tru3]

Vintage, I for one would take what you may have to speak about very seriousely and there are lots of other folks who would to. Realize that there is a small minority of those who have opened their minds as many have here. Still, there are debunkers and naysayers but in truth, who really cares what they may think anyway? Icke doesn't care. And he ceratinly doesn't try to sell anyone anything. Anyway, you have nothing to lose by sharing experiences here. If you are afraid, they win. see a post I made tonight related to shape shifting. I am not afraid nor care if anyone laughs or believes I am telling the truth.

i watched joseph campbell on video a couple of weeks ago.

regardless of the material and ideas presented on this forum (and in sites like montalk.net, which is really quite stunning in its breadth and depth of subject matter), what's going on, for me at least, is the process of building a new cosmological and mythic structure: a new "dreamtime", if you will. :)

this seems to operate, in the group work that i have done, in such a manner essentially bridges the gap between the aboriginal dreamwalk of intuitively trusting the intelligence of the body and the Heart, and the non-duality of Consciousness; the mind is recognized, but the Heart is honored. above all, the core wound, the primal tension, the pain of pain, the old, old, energy of 40 generations lodged in the bodymind, is faced and the knowledge of nonduality drops on the head like a bucket of water overturned fifty feet over head, a Living Fact. the dropping down into Life, the utter delight of it, the Bliss of the all.

the body becomes an ally to Spirit, a focus of energetic multidimensional in the Power moving through it.

i have been sitting on the fence for a long, long, time about the possibility of an authentic "sacred marriage" between mind and heart spritually, north and south economically, on a global scale. what would that look like? if it involves a "program" or "foundation" or "institute", i'm sorry, i can't go there; it smacks too much of control for my taste (you know, i guess i'm just a crusty ol' shaman at heart LOL). sprial dynamics is too open to abuse and control, although it has demonstrated success in resolving conflict in african countries, especially after the end of apartheid in south africa.


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it does explain a lot about how people behave as socioeconomic and ethnic members of a given group. also, i've looked at it enough to see a connection between it and the mayan calendar videos by Ian Lungold.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6681910439634411366

so, the view of perceived 'reality' as the totality of Consciousness has been called flatland. flatland is an illusion, maya. there is a depth to our experience as human beings, a witness, a Presence that is everywhere and nowhere. and all of this Presence is wherever this Presence is. right here. right now.

neither can i turn to the gnostics. the notion of turning my back on the Goddess just doesn't make sense to me. the course in miracles is great, don't get me wrong, i did the workbook and it changed my life for the better. but the followers of gary renard appear to me to be just spouting back the text, and experiencing a form of mass hypnosis. there are those who want to check out soon, and some who will wait. all are honored for their choices.

the regent serves the King :)

[gordonfreeman]

This place has fake positive happiness and brain-washed people in it. Hell, the people aren't into spiritual power and they are so into the Matrix control system. It's Disneyland, a place where you go to avoid your life's problems and it brings good memories from your visits with your friends and family. The website is Visions Fantastic, a place that is family friendly, where you cannot cuss and post things that is against Disney. I got banned forever for postings from David Icke's website and some conspiracy websites.

Visions Fantastic Forum (http://visionsfantastic.com/forum) Check out it.

[Anders Lindman]

Some of us suggest that by realizing that it is impossible for a finite being to make the rules for correct living...

Yes, sir. That is correct. Life is a living thing, while rules will always be dead things, regardless how many or how clever they are. It is life that creates rules, not the other way around. Life contains rules, while rules can never be able to contain life.

[garth]

Hi, great thread, I have got a lot out of this already, and I want to relate an experience I had yesterday

I was travelling along the highway in the car and had a very strange, but very cool experience.

This length of highway is about 25 km's in length, in the past myself and others known to me have had missing time experiences on this stretch of highway, like get onto to the highway at 2.30, travel 25 k's and get off at 2.31. No shit it has happened to me on more than one occasion.

I was sort of in a pensive, meditative state prior to getting on the highway, I get like this sometimes when I drive, particularly on roads that are dead straight and well, boring, drab scenery, been down them so many times before, nothing new to look at, good time to do some thinking.

I had a chunk of white rock that was given to me by a friend, it has ormus like properties and is said to emit a green coloured energy like a cosmic ray (this came from am alchemist) with me, always travels with me, the electric's in the car are meant to amplify the effects of it (anecdotal)

I initially felt connected, plugged in,like I had been plugged into 240 volts and I'm only a 12 volt lightbulb, things were bright & blissful.

The feeling/connection came in waves, sort of undulating or modulating, I was aware of the road and the other cars, but felt like I wasn't totally there as such, like a daydream state.

I felt like laughing at the scenery that I saw as I drove along the highway, like I knew that it was all an elaborate Illusion, hologram sort of.

Everything seemed crystal clear, focussed, honed, like all things were really possible with no doubt or fear, real knowing. The connection was quite strong and very noticeable, I was thinking, but not in the usual way, thinking is the wrong word, I was knowing, every thought (for want of a better word) was knowing. Every thing was crystal clear, unquestionable, beyond reproach.

I felt emotionally centred, content, true. Happy and sad but not really, more like all emotions were rolled into one big master emotion of calm, stillness, peace.

I felt very emotional when it ended, felt tears well in my eye's, not from pain or sadness or even joy, but like an emotional confirmation.

I now have trouble putting myself back in the car recalling it all, its' like the whole experience was a large crystal, whole complete and perfect. Now that it's over it's like the crystal has been broken and I only have disconnected shards to work with, parts of the puzzle, but not the whole picture. I'm not sure what time this happened over, if was a distance of 25k's but the clock was the last thing I was interested in.

I want to experience this again, it was cool, I had confirmation of what I was thinking about prior to this happening, that instant manifestation is the goal and is totally do able, no question.

For some reason afterwards I thought about Thirsty Merc's song Emancipate myself, not all the lyrics, just the chorus and a bit

Now I'm stuck in a moment
It's bad for my health
Well I'm gone
If I don't emancipate myself
There's no spirit to find me
And no wishing well
Well I'm gone
If I don't emancipate myself

Set me free
Alright
I've gotta get myself out of this thing
If its the last thing i ever do

I started thinking that this is not right, then I thought no, this is right. Most people are stuck in a moment, usually somewhere in their past, they are holding onto a familiar feeling or event or something, not able to move forward again into the present. This certainly is bad for their health and they are gone/doomed to be stuck there if they don't set themselves free.

No sprit to find me, no benevolent entity to come and provide salvation, no wishing well, waste of time wishing, you have to know. Once again free yourself. Be in the moment always. I was for that brief period of time and it felt real good. The connection was the best, I want more, much more. :)

[Anders Lindman]

I mean certainly both you and I agree that to kill someone is not correct living. What about to steal from someone? What if a man had a wife who was dying of some terrible disease that could be cured by some drug which he cannot afford. And he breaks into the pharmacy to steal this drug for his wife. Is this correct living? There are some that say stealing is stealing and that to do so is wrong.


I'm not sure, but possibly there is always a better way than stealing. Besides, drugs are probably at best placebo and at worst poison anyway. ;)

[tru3]

No sprit to find me, no benevolent entity to come and provide salvation, no wishing well, waste of time wishing, you have to know. Once again free yourself. Be in the moment always. I was for that brief period of time and it felt real good. The connection was the best, I want more, much more.

g'day, garth

just that, just so.

it has been my experience that once the body feels Oneness at the cellular level, it will move heaven and earth to re-create that experience. the body is a communication device; it is what it was created for. we choose what to communicate. follow your Bliss!

one creates such a resonance with conscious implementation and employment of the Will, a much more potent ally than the brain. my trouble has always been when the mind tries to elbow it's way in and "figure it out"! :)

[bigus_dickus]

I think what Big was saying is that we are already there... yes we have this dream / illusuion. But who of us really knows the secret to getting out of it or the secret to attaining heaven on earth for all and forevermore? And who can answer the question, who am i?

yes. we never left it. we were there when we showed up here, we never went anywhere. the adults we are now are the same kids, but different, a paradox, because we think dimensionally.

how do i know that the "oneness" that people experience is not something happening to me every day? how do i know what they mean when they say "love"? how come i don't feel the need to have such an experience? such experience as garth's i have had riding my motorbike stoned as fuck at 3 am on a country road. it compares to nothing.

and whoever wants to be experiencing oneness, what are you waiting for? your bodies to cleanse? for how long? this is not what we came here for, this is what we are, our natural state, my natural state. or maybe i just don't get it.

[cleft_asunder]

AHA but you are not making spltt secnd decisions in this case you are being forced to think about a moral dilemma and come to your own conclusions ther is an answer to this ,it caused me to get beat up by born againers on st ives sea front ,but hey thats their mission ,their B each ,
U nited
M ission.

How does this relate to the original post?

[tru3]

yes. we never left it. we were there when we showed up here, we never went anywhere. the adults we are now are the same kids, but different, a paradox, because we think dimensionally.

that's right. qualitatively, subjectively, the experience of being an adult is different than the experience of a child. the synaptic connections that form an electrochemical formation called "empathy" or more precisely formal operational thinking, the ability to see another as oneself, don't emerge until one is in the late teens/early twenties, if then. if not, then we have a classic case of sociopathic behavior.

maybe it's just me, since i'm 47, and have a lot more baggage, but there is a qualitative, subjective difference in the depth of experience. otherwise, you end up with flatland-- not every experience is the same, because not every person is the same.

similarly, our pain is our pain. what may be heart-shattering to one may be a lark to another. but, nevertheless, our pain is still our pain.

and whoever wants to be experiencing oneness, what are you waiting for? your bodies to cleanse? for how long? this is not what we came here for, this is what we are, our natural state, my natural state. or maybe i just don't get it.

we, as we are now, are what we are waiting for. all that is required is willingness, and acceptance of what is. the problem arises, as i stated before, when i try to make this "oneness" something it's not, or trying to make what is into what is not.

when illusion drops away, Truth is revealed, ever present.

[garth]

g'day, garth

just that, just so.

it has been my experience that once the body feels Oneness at the cellular level, it will move heaven and earth to re-create that experience. the body is a communication device; it is what it was created for. we choose what to communicate. follow your Bliss!

one creates such a resonance with conscious implementation and employment of the Will, a much more potent ally than the brain. my trouble has always been when the mind tries to elbow it's way in and "figure it out"! :)

Gidday tru3, thanks for your great words, way cool mate.

This sums up the way i have felt today

Metallica Nothing Else Matters

So close, no matter how far
Couldn't be much more from the heart
Forever trusting who we are
and nothing else matters

Never opened myself this way
Life is ours, we live it our way
All these words I don't just say
and nothing else matters

Trust I seek and I find in you
Every day for us something new
Open mind for a different view
and nothing else matters

never cared for what they do
never cared for what they know
but I know

Metallica - Nothing Else Matters(S&M) - YouTube Metallica with the San Francisco symphany orchestra, I found it spine chilling

Everyone's experience is different, as with all of life, I have today felt centered, calm, connected. I have felt things aligning around me, so yep moving heaven and earth.

I have also felt that Nothing else matters...yep follow your bliss

I have also had some great insights into many questions I have had, maybe for a different thread

Cheers Bro :D

[emma royds]

Thanks Emma, and you bring up a dilema (at least for me).

What is "correct living?"

I mean certainly both you and I agree that to kill someone is not correct living. What about to steal from someone? What if a man had a wife who was dying of some terrible disease that could be cured by some drug which he cannot afford. And he breaks into the pharmacy to steal this drug for his wife. Is this correct living? There are some that say stealing is stealing and that to do so is wrong.

I think what Big was saying is that we are already there... yes we have this dream / illusuion. But who of us really knows the secret to getting out of it or the secret to attaining heaven on earth for all and forevermore? And who can answer the question, who am i?

Some of us suggest that by realizing that it is impossible for a finite being to make the rules for correct living that attains their state of being where they are once again (and only) the All That Is - where correct living cannot even be as there is no contrast in this dimension (nor a dimension for that matter - sadly I am limited to words here).

Does the man need the drugs to cure his wife's illness? There are no limitations in life except those that are created by the mind. If you you are here experiencing duality it is because you have chosen to leave that state of oneness, that state of bliss (although in reality you are still really a part of it) but just because you are here, in this place, it does not mean you can't experience harmony with the universe. Correct living is to live a life free from guilt, free from hate, free from fear, free from sadness. If you are in harmony with the universe then you are practising correct living.

[thirdwave]

The exact state that Icke talks about. He explains it as the ultimate bliss, oneness, perfect balance or Love. If so, I want to know if it's really what it's cracked up to be. I want to know if it's really the ultimate.



On Acid I have reached states of bliss..... I have not reached it through meditation like some have... although I have reached some states in meditation that have really blown me away.... there was ones I was so deep inside my self it was like my thoughts were me... at the same time as if I was introduced to my self... my thoughts were like me but introducing them self's to me.... and I felt it was those thoughts that create everything in my life but I very rarely pay attention to them....

my thoughts were god.

it felt quite nice and when I came out of it I felt very good.

in that video that was posted on the other forum that guy takes the piss out of the method of...closing your eyes and feeling orange liquid fill up through your body..so on... its actually a very good method to learn how to do it, because it helps you focus and concentrate into the meditation which some can find very hard (like me) I have also felt resting a crystal on your third eye helps....

I wish I could meditate more but I think so fast its not a quick job....

[bigus_dickus]

that's right. qualitatively, subjectively, the experience of being an adult is different than the experience of a child. the synaptic connections that form an electrochemical formation called "empathy" or more precisely formal operational thinking, the ability to see another as oneself, don't emerge until one is in the late teens/early twenties, if then. if not, then we have a classic case of sociopathic behavior.

exactly. so what goes on is, we pay more attention to the adult experience than the inner self, which is the child that we were. we get so deep into troubles that we become unaware of it and we tend to forget it completely.

this child is the definition of narcissism, it believes that everything is about and for itself, that it owns the world, that it is going to live forever and that everything is possible through it. the adult is the opposite, it believes that it is insignificant, that its being owned and controlled by various forces or entities and that its destiny is destruction.

maybe it's just me, since i'm 47, and have a lot more baggage, but there is a qualitative, subjective difference in the depth of experience. otherwise, you end up with flatland-- not every experience is the same, because not every person is the same.

of course there is. but i don't understand people who are always asking for more. more of anything you can imagine. they don't put their mind to it, they don't have faith, all they know to do is complain about their misfortune. actually i do understand them, but i have found out that it is really a choice to be like that, no more or less, so you chose to be like that and you are.

even when people tell me that they definitely have no choice, it is their choice to say that. what we choose right now is the key, if we think in terms of past or future, we create roadblocks to our creation.

similarly, our pain is our pain. what may be heart-shattering to one may be a lark to another. but, nevertheless, our pain is still our pain.

pain is pain and you cannot have any moment of bliss if you haven't experienced pain. how can you say that you lived your life fully if you haven't had any pain, or suffering? who would ever want something like that? pain is nothing to be afraid of. it passes, like everything does, like joy and fun and laughter. all these things pass before you as waves and you are an observer who judges and makes stories about them.

i never underestimate or overestimate anything in my life, my friend.

we, as we are now, are what we are waiting for. all that is required is willingness, and acceptance of what is. the problem arises, as i stated before, when i try to make this "oneness" something it's not, or trying to make what is into what is not.

when illusion drops away, Truth is revealed, ever present.

i'll tell you the simplest way to experience the "one" state. a tight hug with someone you love, or looking in their eyes for a few minutes silently. that should do the trick. all the rest is sometimes misleading, we don't need ayahuascas and stuff, we have the spirit within us.

[tru3]

exactly. so what goes on is, we pay more attention to the adult experience than the inner self, which is the child that we were. we get so deep into troubles that we become unaware of it and we tend to forget it completely.

this child is the definition of narcissism, it believes that everything is about and for itself, that it owns the world, that it is going to live forever and that everything is possible through it. the adult is the opposite, it believes that it is insignificant, that its being owned and controlled by various forces or entities and that its destiny is destruction.



of course there is. but i don't understand people who are always asking for more. more of anything you can imagine. they don't put their mind to it, they don't have faith, all they know to do is complain about their misfortune. actually i do understand them, but i have found out that it is really a choice to be like that, no more or less, so you chose to be like that and you are.

even when people tell me that they definitely have no choice, it is their choice to say that. what we choose right now is the key, if we think in terms of past or future, we create roadblocks to our creation.



pain is pain and you cannot have any moment of bliss if you haven't experienced pain. how can you say that you lived your life fully if you haven't had any pain, or suffering? who would ever want something like that? pain is nothing to be afraid of. it passes, like everything does, like joy and fun and laughter. all these things pass before you as waves and you are an observer who judges and makes stories about them.

i never underestimate or overestimate anything in my life, my friend.



i'll tell you the simplest way to experience the "one" state. a tight hug with someone you love, or looking in their eyes for a few minutes silently. that should do the trick. all the rest is sometimes misleading, we don't need ayahuascas and stuff, we have the spirit within us.

<applause from "heaven">

thank you, my friend. eloquently put. :)

[siliconpsychosis]

I completely agree with Thirdwave that Acid can provide an avenue to the 'One' state. Hallucinogenics in general have been used in this fashion for thousands of years. In my opinion only the foolhardy would ignore this fact. I understand that hallucinogenics are not for everybody, but I also feel that criticism of their potential, without first hand experience of them is somewhat cheeky.

Sure some people would prefer other methods to reach the One state. I think that is admirable indeed. But for those with courage and a willingness to be truly honest with oneself, hallucinogenics can get you to the one state instantaneously! Take a trip and the world will never be the same.

Terence McKenna in particular was a true ambassador for the use of psychadelics, and his own, phenomenal theories on a huge range of subjects lead me to the conclusion that hallucinogenics have changed us biologically and consciously, on both individual and collective levels.

[i am all i am]

Morpheus: Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

And once you have walked the path you realise that there is only ONE path that has many paving stones upon it.

Just as the state of oneness has infinite aspects to it.

With LOVE.

[chester]

This thread demonstrates that this is doing well. Its what its all about. Good job, mods.

[truthcommission]

When I was in Japan a short time ago I met an old professor who came down from the mountains to meet me and tell me his story about his experience of Hiroshima...

Read rest of story... (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30464&postcount=3)

[lenejento]

Just wanted to say I truly love this thread!!! Read half of it and gonna read the rest and post tomorrow :) :) :)

[aznality]

I felt my soul leave my body once, but that's probably the only extraordinary feeling I have gotten. Feeling that "One" is still beyond anything I've ever experienced.