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december
10-04-2007, 01:17 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
midwich cuckoo
10-04-2007, 01:21 AM
Uhm... No, no and uhm... no. :)
tinmenace
10-04-2007, 01:36 AM
Not trying to convince myself. I've done convinced myself already.
Done deal. I'm a believer.
If something is true, you should always try and convince yourself as best you can. Maybe read some books and research it a bit. That's usually a great convincer.
midwich cuckoo
10-04-2007, 02:03 AM
The signs and symbols are everywhere!.
tonto o_reilly
10-04-2007, 02:10 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
Isn't it obvious?:o
limelady
10-04-2007, 02:19 AM
Its all a matter of availing oneself of the overwhelming evidence.
Its all there, no convincing necessary when you've taken the time
to do the research.
Have you made your own start on this yet december?
ho1ogram
10-04-2007, 02:40 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
YES YES YES I agree, it appears as if people don't want to give up the Illuminati. They are in a few places of power but it is the masses that are allowing themselves, ourselves, to be led and lied too and exploited. We keep using the Illuminati as an excuse for all of the worlds problems.
Some people are addicted to them... they don't want to give up the enslavers... they don't want to take responsibility for themselves... life is a drama and people love the drama of the coming NWO... we are already in a prison, a prison of the five senses, a prison of the mind, fuck the Illuminti, we are our own worst enemy. We let this shit continue.
LOL.. is this what you meant december? I mean it. Illuminati, spewminati I say.., fuck 'em, they're nothing but a part of ourselves. No fear = no prison.
Cheers :)
december
10-04-2007, 03:01 AM
Uhm... No, no and uhm... no. :)
Well, here's how I came to this conclusion - whenever I read News Section in DavidIcke.com, Rense.com or whatreallyhappened.com sites I see that these guys are simply pushing the same agenda...
And they are not even trying (or offer) to find the solution... No. They just want to make you think that the Illuminati is doing WHATEVER they want.
I never see an article about other world leaders who are actually fighting the so-called NWO.
But what's really funny is that when I ask - "But what about Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?" I hear the same answer - "Oh.... That is a controlled opposition...".
Wow!!!
Just think the way their minds work! They have a two-party system set up in their heads.
To many David Icke followers there is only left and right, black and white, where right can become left and white (if you look closer) is very black actually. :)
In other words - there is an Illuminati world (first party) and the world of opposition which is controled by the same Illuminati (the second party).
To prove my point I suggest you to visit Alex Jones' Infowars.com ( www.infowars.com ) and watch some videos, so you will see that he is doing his very best TO CONVINCE the visitor of his site that the world is going to Hell and... he'd better buy those tapes really fast....
:)
tinmenace
10-04-2007, 03:14 AM
Yeah ok, and which parts didn't you understand or don't you agree with, based on your own research?
december
10-04-2007, 03:18 AM
YES YES YES I agree, it appears as if people don't want to give up the Illuminati. They are in a few places of power but it is the masses that are allowing themselves, ourselves, to be led and lied too and exploited. We keep using the Illuminati as an excuse for all of the worlds problems.
Some people are addicted to them... they don't want to give up the enslavers... they don't want to take responsibility for themselves... life is a drama and people love the drama of the coming NWO... we are already in a prison, a prison of the five senses, a prison of the mind, fuck the Illuminti, we are our own worst enemy. We let this shit continue.
LOL.. is this what you meant december? I mean it. Illuminati, spewminati I say.., fuck 'em, they're nothing but a part of ourselves. No fear = no prison.
Cheers :)
Hello, ho1ogram.
Here's what I posted on one NWO/Illuminati forum on Mar 06, 2007 (I can give you a link if you want to):
When I look at avatars of some people and read their posts I began to wonder - does Illiminati subject equal to a Star Track nonsense to some people?
The avatar of the man who writes under the nickname (............) makes me think that mentally he is still a teenager even if he is not.
I know some FIFTY years old people in US, who still into a Star Track nonsense...
They are still there...
It seems to me that the Illuminati topic for people like (.............) is just another Star Track show/illusion, and my posts wake them up from their lazy dreams...
My posts don't let them fall asleep, and for that very reason they become rude - they just want to remain in their ILLUMINATI WUNDERLAND and don't want to be disturbed by reality.
Cheers :)
tinmenace
10-04-2007, 03:23 AM
You haven't presented your version of reality yet. All you've done thus far is try to convince us that David is wrong and that we're all asleep. So, please go ahead and tell us what we're missing.
pollock
10-04-2007, 06:46 AM
I don't need to, they do it for me and no, I don't think they are everywhere!
My posts don't let them fall asleep, and for that very reason they become rude - they just want to remain in their ILLUMINATI WUNDERLAND and don't want to be disturbed by reality.
Are you sure they don't get rude because the tone in your posts is a tad insulting, I know a lot of people who react like that!
Free thoughts
F
cleft_asunder
10-04-2007, 07:00 AM
YES YES YES I agree, it appears as if people don't want to give up the Illuminati. They are in a few places of power but it is the masses that are allowing themselves, ourselves, to be led and lied too and exploited. We keep using the Illuminati as an excuse for all of the worlds problems.
Some people are addicted to them... they don't want to give up the enslavers... they don't want to take responsibility for themselves... life is a drama and people love the drama of the coming NWO... we are already in a prison, a prison of the five senses, a prison of the mind, fuck the Illuminti, we are our own worst enemy. We let this shit continue.
LOL.. is this what you meant december? I mean it. Illuminati, spewminati I say.., fuck 'em, they're nothing but a part of ourselves. No fear = no prison.
Cheers :)
To say that we're responsible for our own enslavement is like saying that cows and sheep are responsible for being captive. They don't know any better.
cleft_asunder
10-04-2007, 07:12 AM
[b]Well, here's how I came to this conclusion - whenever I read News Section in DavidIcke.com, Rense.com or whatreallyhappened.com sites I see that these guys are simply pushing the same agenda...
And they are not even trying (or offer) to find the solution... No. They just want to make you think that the Illuminati is doing WHATEVER they want.
I never see an article about other world leaders who are actually fighting the so-called NWO.
But what's really funny is that when I ask - "But what about Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?" I hear the same answer - "Oh.... That is a controlled opposition...".
I have been reading the Icke headlines page every day for the past 2 years. I couldn't disagree with you more. Although there is definitely more negative news than postive news, if you look out the window for once you'll notice that we're in hell right now. That could have something to do with it.
Talking about fairies and shapoo'd ponies doesn't solve anything. Talking about 9/11 does. Telling people to spread love bubbles does not. Showing people what the Illuminati do and the hell they've created does. Looking the monster in the face is what Icke is doing, and it's about time we all look. And like a horror movie, it was only the unknown that scared us. The more you look at the monster, the less power it has over you, and eventually you start laughing.
Also, I coudn't disagree more with you more about Icke not offering a solution. In fact, Icke is the only one who offers a real solution. Read his books and you'll know what it is.
cleft_asunder
10-04-2007, 07:19 AM
Hello, ho1ogram.
Here's what I posted on one NWO/Illuminati forum on Mar 06, 2007 (I can give you a link if you want to):
When I look at avatars of some people and read their posts I began to wonder - does Illiminati subject equal to a Star Track nonsense to some people?
The avatar of the man who writes under the nickname (............) makes me think that mentally he is still a teenager even if he is not.
I know some FIFTY years old people in US, who still into a Star Track nonsense...
They are still there...
It seems to me that the Illuminati topic for people like (.............) is just another Star Track show/illusion, and my posts wake them up from their lazy dreams...
My posts don't let them fall asleep, and for that very reason they become rude - they just want to remain in their ILLUMINATI WUNDERLAND and don't want to be disturbed by reality.
Cheers :)
Sorry, no, it's not true. What you'll find about all of us is that we're here because we went on a quest for truth, and we have arrived at our destination. We wanted to know what the fuck was going on, and we didn't let anything stop us. We've abandoned many views. I used to be a Christian, then a Muslim, and an Atheist, but they just didn't clearify the world I live in. Eventually I devoted myself to finding out exactly what's going on, and now I'm here. Since discovering the Illuminati, I understood the world so clearly. The information reinforces itself. The more you read and the more you ask questions, the more you are convinced that the world you live in is 99% controlled --and always has been-- by the hidden hand.
No delusions. No bias. This shit is real.
i am all i am
10-04-2007, 07:21 AM
YES YES YES I agree, it appears as if people don't want to give up the Illuminati. They are in a few places of power but it is the masses that are allowing themselves, ourselves, to be led and lied too and exploited. We keep using the Illuminati as an excuse for all of the worlds problems.
Some people are addicted to them... they don't want to give up the enslavers... they don't want to take responsibility for themselves... life is a drama and people love the drama of the coming NWO... we are already in a prison, a prison of the five senses, a prison of the mind, fuck the Illuminti, we are our own worst enemy. We let this shit continue.
LOL.. is this what you meant december? I mean it. Illuminati, spewminati I say.., fuck 'em, they're nothing but a part of ourselves. No fear = no prison.
Cheers :)
THIS FREEDOM IS CHOICE,
OF WHAT YOU DO,
YOUR THOUGHTS TO VOICE,
I LOVE YOU.
Well said Ho1ogram.
WHO IS THE ONE
WHO IS THE ONE,
THAT HAS THE CHOICE,
EACH WORD BEGUN,
WITH LOVE IN THE VOICE ?
WHO IS THE ONE,
THAT DOES GIVE,
EACH ACTION DONE,
WITH A MESSAGE TO LIVE ?
WHO IS THE ONE,
WHO’S CHOICE DOES ALLOW,
EACH THOUGHT BEGUN,
WITH LOVE FOREVER NOW ?
WHO IS THE ONE THAT HAS DECIDED,
WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS FREE ?
WHO IS THE ONE THAT HAS DECIDED,
WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS ME ?
Thank you for declaring your choice of freedom Ho1ogram !!!
With LOVE.
ho1ogram
10-04-2007, 08:47 AM
No worries i, thank you for you.
To say that we're responsible for our own enslavement is like saying that cows and sheep are responsible for being captive. They don't know any better.
I know what your saying but we aren't sheep or cattle, we can know better, especially the people who look into the NWO/conspiracy stuff and ESPECIALLY any one who has read Icke's work for that is what it is about... faith in oneself. Faith to know that you know. Trust in your own beliefs, your deep down belief that this world is bogus, trust in the spark that led you to ask questions... why stop trusting your inner spirit when you discover how evil some shit is that is being perpetrated and how far the conspiracy goes? Look in the other direction as well and see how far YOU CAN GO.
Talking about fairies and shapoo'd ponies doesn't solve anything. Talking about 9/11 does. Telling people to spread love bubbles does not. Showing people what the Illuminati do and the hell they've created does. Looking the monster in the face is what Icke is doing, and it's about time we all look. And like a horror movie, it was only the unknown that scared us. The more you look at the monster, the less power it has over you, and eventually you start laughing.
Also, I coudn't disagree more with you more about Icke not offering a solution. In fact, Icke is the only one who offers a real solution. Read his books and you'll know what it is. I agree with all of this cleft. Sometimes your posts confuse me. You know it's all bogus but you seem to not be taking the next step to trust yourself and have faith in ONENESS..... fair enough I spose, it appears as a big wall to the mind. But that is the solution that Icke talks about - remembering that we are all one, which begins by acting like we are all one - therefore the Illuminati are us, a reflection of our thoughts about ourselves. We think we aren't worthy of greatness, of infinite love and understanding, and so we are treated as though we aren't worthy. What you put out you get back.. because all is one and that is all that there is.
;) h
cowboy
10-04-2007, 10:22 AM
No. I don't do that. Alot of indiviuals like to believe every conspiracy they can get their hands on. I call them kooks.
I like to analyze the facts. And when i read David Rockefeller openly admiting in major publications that we will have a New World Order and how the media works together to suppress the people that itself is enough evidence to make me suspicious. However, that isn't even 0.1% of the smoking guns that prove that an illuminati, or elite are real.
I take everything in with an open mind, and then decide to myself. There is no need to convince yourself about the Illuminati. The evidence is so overwhelming, and out in the open is literally laughable. Sure, some people on the internet add on information, fabricated and real. However, the basic thrust is there.
I already know that the majority of the populations "reality" is far from what's REALLY going on. That's why i read the art of David Icke and many other free thinkers. I'm just digging for the truth. :)
lumukanda
10-04-2007, 10:29 AM
call it what you like, something is wrong in the world, plain and simple, we are largely to blame, through inaction, but acknowledging something is real and wanting it to be real are two different things. granted, i can see how we could create it by believing it, but in order to stop what's behind the door, we have to open it, a bit of a catch-22 but still not that hard to get your head around.
bigus_dickus
10-04-2007, 03:13 PM
To say that we're responsible for our own enslavement is like saying that cows and sheep are responsible for being captive. They don't know any better.
to say something like the above, is like saying that you are enslaved and captured. so, you believe that you and me and all of us are in prison. i am not questioning that belief, but i want to ask. how can you be free? since you know and recognize enslavement, you must know freedom. what's it like? have you ever been free?
december
10-04-2007, 07:33 PM
You haven't presented your version of reality yet. All you've done thus far is try to convince us that David is wrong and that we're all asleep. So, please go ahead and tell us what we're missing.
tinmenace, I didn't say that "David is wrong and that we're all asleep".
:)
What I am saying is that thanks to David Icke and some other conspiracy theory writers MOST OF people see only one side of the medal and for them "the Illuminati is everywhere and control everything" concept becomes like a new religion.
It seems that people actually enjoy it, and they don't want to hear about countries which are NOT controlled by the so-called Illuminati.
It's funny how they quick to respond with their convenient explanation about people like Hugo Chavez or Putin -
"Oh.." they say, "They are just a controlled opposition...".
How primitive is that!
But what's really funny is that they cannot PROVE their claims, they cannot prove that Hugo Chavez is just a "a controlled opposition".
The facts, however, prove that he is NOT doing what Iluuminati want him to do. Please, read this thread for more info on Chavez - Was the CIA Behind the Chavez Coup? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2546
I also notice that many people actually have no or very little knowledge about people like Chavez, Putin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
So, again, it seems that the whole Illuminati story is turning into some sort of religion or interesting GAME to many people...
This is what is going on...
I will answer to other posters later on... :)
tinmenace
10-04-2007, 11:38 PM
...Hugo Chavez is just a "a controlled opposition".
The facts, however, prove that he is NOT doing what Iluuminati want him to do
This suggests that you KNOW what the Illuminati want him to do....
Sorry, no, it's not true. What you'll find about all of us is that we're here because we went on a quest for truth, and we have arrived at our destination. We wanted to know what the fuck was going on, and we didn't let anything stop us. We've abandoned many views. I used to be a Christian, then a Muslim, and an Atheist, but they just didn't clearify the world I live in. Eventually I devoted myself to finding out exactly what's going on, and now I'm here. Since discovering the Illuminati, I understood the world so clearly. The information reinforces itself. The more you read and the more you ask questions, the more you are convinced that the world you live in is 99% controlled --and always has been-- by the hidden hand.
No delusions. No bias. This shit is real.
i agree with you cleft, and i respect you for your passionate search for truth. most of us on this forum feel the same way.
the illuminati to me simply represent the trap of dualism. the world is 99% controlled, i agree. but why is that?
the shit is real because people continue to evade responsibility for their lives. the whole history of the world is people trading power for security. the illuminati count on this.
the power of the pyramid lives in the base, not the all-seeing eye. the illuminati fear this.
pull it back a layer, everyone; read "the predator of man" thread again. there are wheels within wheels. those in the black suits are puppets and slaves, too. they will continue to be deluded until the bitter end, while more of us awaken each day, growing in power and conviction.
they have no Power, only force. they are to be pitied, not feared.
there are tens of thousands of people all over the world who are intending and working right now to bring the whole stinking wto/imf house of cards down, skillful, knowledgeable, passionate dedicated people. this group is growing every single year.
that is Power, and Power trumps force every time.
thirdwave
11-04-2007, 11:40 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
Yes!, when I found out the the people controlling this planet are of another race that see me as a pig and like to worship Satan, I laying in bed at night begging it to be true! :) ...sorry for the sarcasm but I had to...
No, infact I used to try and make things up in my head that told me it was not true and then realised I was talking shit to my self.... and then realised it does not matter anyway because I have always had control of my life experience anyway, so when I realised there was no reason to be afraid, I found I saw things with much more clarity, even the dark things.
thirdwave
11-04-2007, 11:55 AM
[b]Well, here's how I came to this conclusion - whenever I read News Section in DavidIcke.com, Rense.com or whatreallyhappened.com sites I see that these guys are simply pushing the same agenda...
And they are not even trying (or offer) to find the solution... No. They just want to make you think that the Illuminati is doing WHATEVER they want.
ok, first of all, just because someone does not have a solution it does not mean that they are lying to you..... what solution do YOU think they should be promoting?... are you saying you wont except any bad news unless a solution is handed to you?...
but in reality David Icke...Tsarion.... and others DO offer solutions but for some reason people just wave them away and don't listen....
David goes very deeply into the spiritual side of life and how we can change our reality with our minds and feelings.... he infact tells people at his speeches that we could turn it around over night.
so its not that he is not offering a way out.... its just you don't think his way out is realistic... and that's your choice.... but its very miss leading when you say "they don't offer a solution" and IMO is very ignorant to what his work is all about.
I never see an article about other world leaders who are actually fighting the so-called NWO.
:)
well give the BBC or CNN a call and they will fill you in..... :eek:
Mo0n5tar
11-04-2007, 12:00 PM
This suggests that you KNOW what the Illuminati want him to do....
This is interesting because as you should all be aware Hugo Chavez calls for the same thing as Kissenger (papal Advisor) and George Bush snr (SMOM) call for, here are the links where Chavez calls for the New World Order:
Chavez calls for new international political, economic order
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Thursday called for the establishment of a new international political and economic order.
Speaking at the UN Summit, Chavez said this historic meeting dismisses to secondary importance a most urgent need, which is to adopt measures that will confront the real problems hindering the whole world's development.
"Five years have passed since the Millennium Summit took place, " he said. "The crude reality is that most of the goals we then set, as modest as they were, will not be accomplished."
Thus Chavez called on nations to build a new international economic order, saying "it is practically and ethically unacceptable to sacrifice the human species, by outrageously defending the legitimacy of a socioeconomic model with destructive capability."
It is suicidal to insist on spreading and imposing this model as the infallible remedy for the evils that it itself causes, he added.
Meanwhile, the president also appealed for the establishment of a new international political order.
"We must not allow a handful of nations to reinterpret the principles of international law with impunity, in order to impose doctrines such as preemptive war, and the so-called duty to protect, which are incompatible with effective International Law," he said.
Chavez stressed that the full respect of the principles of international law and of the UN Charter must be the fundamentals of international relations in today's world, and also the basis for a new world order.
"The reform of the United Nations cannot be limited to a simple cosmetic change of the Security Council, aimed at ensuring the unipolar hegemony of developed countries," he declared.
When talking about terrorism, he said the international community must confront terrorism with effective policies.
"We cannot allow (terrorism) to be used as a pretext for unjustified military aggressions which violate international law, and which seem to be the ruling doctrine after the Sept. 11 attacks," he stressed.
Source: Xinhua
http://english1.people.com.cn/200509/16/print20050916_208939.html
Here he calls for global socialism, an objective of the secretive Fabien society:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4771229.stm
So while we all look around pinning the NWO tag on our western leaders the South american Roman Catholics i.e Castro and Chavez are working in line with the temporal agenda to bring in the destruction of the USA and the ushering in of another NWO.
There is nowhere in politricks now that offers an alternative or opposition to global temporal rule of the pope as universal monarch, this is the objective of the NWO a global state in socialism in subservience to the Anti Christ, the VIcar in place of Christ on earth.
This is interesting because as you should all be aware Hugo Chavez calls for the same thing as Kissenger (papal Advisor) and George Bush snr (SMOM) call for, here are the links where Chavez calls for the New World Order:
http://english1.people.com.cn/200509/16/print20050916_208939.html
Here he calls for global socialism, an objective of the secretive Fabien society:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4771229.stm
So while we all look around pinning the NWO tag on our western leaders the South american Roman Catholics i.e Castro and Chavez are working in line with the temporal agenda to bring in the destruction of the USA and the ushering in of another NWO.
There is nowhere in politricks now that offers an alternative or opposition to global temporal rule of the pope as universal monarch, this is the objective of the NWO a global state in socialism in subservience to the Anti Christ, the VIcar in place of Christ on earth.
good post, mickeyjay.
there are wheels within wheels, all turning in synchronicity.
this is a rigged game.
if the u.s. "wins", they win.
if a new world order is established, they win.
it's a sleight of hand, a misdirection, all of it, imo.
meanwhile, the food chain is poisoned, genetically modified, the codex alimentarius is implemented.
1) rogue gene is introduced into food chain, people starving (problem)
2) population lines up for "patch" vaccine (reaction)
3) vaccine is chipped with nanobots (solution).
global warming, iraq/iran, currency wars, globalization, it's all a cover story for the ultimate subliminal message: "consume, then die".
sorry, i call it like i see it. :o
december
11-04-2007, 07:53 PM
Well, your last posts just prove my point. Thank you.
I see that you really are DOING YOUR BEST TO CONVINCE YOURSELF that Illuminati is everywhere and control everything.... :)
You just want to BELEIVE conspiracy theories.
And by the way, your answers in my thread "There is no hole in the North Pole...." is yet another proof.
Check it out -
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2661
:)
Well, your last posts just prove my point. Thank you.
I see that you really are DOING YOUR BEST TO CONVINCE YOURSELF that Illuminati is everywhere and control everything.... :)
You just want to BELEIVE conspiracy theories.
And by the way, your answers in my thread "There is no hole in the North Pole...." is yet another proof.
Check it out -
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2661
:)
you know, december, we really don't have time any more to play games.
to wit: personally, i don't have patience any more for those who play games, are in on a little private joke, and dangle the "answer" just out of reach (which is obviously the game your playing, imv).
it's so amusing, isn't it?
so please, educate us.
cut to the chase.
what is the world according to december?
stop talking about what problems we are, and start providing solutions.
please. i'm all ears.
Mo0n5tar
11-04-2007, 11:39 PM
The conspiracy can exist in the outside world but only within the system, and how many of us really want to participate in that>?
In our minds obviously this info is quite active and we can see the parallels everywhere, but for us to offer an opposition or to start to fight this conspiracy the measures will have to come into place which we fear so much, the ID cards, Chips, Mark of the Beast etc.
You see mankind can not be forced into subservience, but do not rule out that we actually ask for it, to defend our "way of life", this is the nature of PRS and unfortunately this whole counter culture movement is turning into quite the Reaction to an obvious problem.
If we keep on directing our energies and attention towards this Illuminati agenda and like Alex Jones wants, all rise up in arms, then the dissedents will be rooted out.
To avoid a horrible death or even a horrible life in the near future then we need to stop taking the poisens which are used to control us, by taking away the need for this monetary system and working on self we can essentially take away the means of implementing the chip/Mark of the Beast, by refusing to fight we can not be led into the wrong fight, by refusing to adhere to their laws they have no reason to implement new ones.
If you see this conspiracy everywhere in the world, then you are very much hallucinating, it is within the system and the system is unreal, the truth is that the world goes on without this system and the world is beautiful, align yourself with the infinite beauty of nature, do not set yourself in opposition to something which isn't real, for if you do you will make it so, instead look outside the system and overstand, the conspiracy is that they make you think you have something to defend, we have nothing to defend, a free life is obtainable, right now and right here, corrupt system or not, we must learn to apply the freedom within to the outside.
Peace
tinmenace
11-04-2007, 11:47 PM
I sure haven't been to the north pole, so I have no idea what's there. Therefor I must keep an open mind.
The conspiracy can exist in the outside world but only within the system, and how many of us really want to participate in that>?
In our minds obviously this info is quite active and we can see the parallels everywhere, but for us to offer an opposition or to start to fight this conspiracy the measures will have to come into place which we fear so much, the ID cards, Chips, Mark of the Beast etc.
You see mankind can not be forced into subservience, but do not rule out that we actually ask for it, to defend our "way of life", this is the nature of PRS and unfortunately this whole counter culture movement is turning into quite the Reaction to an obvious problem.
If we keep on directing our energies and attention towards this Illuminati agenda and like Alex Jones wants, all rise up in arms, then the dissedents will be rooted out.
To avoid a horrible death or even a horrible life in the near future then we need to stop taking the poisens which are used to control us, by taking away the need for this monetary system and working on self we can essentially take away the means of implementing the chip/Mark of the Beast, by refusing to fight we can not be led into the wrong fight, by refusing to adhere to their laws they have no reason to implement new ones.
If you see this conspiracy everywhere in the world, then you are very much hallucinating, it is within the system and the system is unreal, the truth is that the world goes on without this system and the world is beautiful, align yourself with the infinite beauty of nature, do not set yourself in opposition to something which isn't real, for if you do you will make it so, instead look outside the system and overstand, the conspiracy is that they make you think you have something to defend, we have nothing to defend, a free life is obtainable, right now and right here, corrupt system or not, we must learn to apply the freedom within to the outside.
Peace
fight them with their own tools of fear, and defeat is assured.
"So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing."
Therefore, just as water retains no constant shape, so in warfare there are no constant conditions. He who can modify his tactics in relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning, may be called a heaven-born captain.
The clever combatant looks to the effect of combined energy, and does not require too much from individuals. Hence his ability to pick out the right men and utilize combined energy. Thus the energy developed by good fighting men is as the momentum of a round stone rolled down a mountain thousands of feet in height. So much on the subject of energy.
Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
Mo0n5tar
12-04-2007, 12:35 AM
Yes the art of war is a great book, filled with applicable and relevant information even thousands of years after it was written.
Do you really think we need to fight at all, i am starting to think we imprison ourselves?
Yes the art of war is a great book, filled with applicable and relevant information even thousands of years after it was written.
Do you really think we need to fight at all, i am starting to think we imprison ourselves?
the only real quest, ime, is understanding and accepting, that the dragon one faces is of one's own making, ultimately. beyond that, we are alone responsble for its dissolution and undoing.
the question may come down to in the coming years: do we believe and demonstrate through thought, word, and deed, that we are Immortal Love?
what does that look like?
xdnax
12-04-2007, 02:03 AM
The signs and symbols are everywhere!.
i can't believe that i only just clicked about the AOL sign (pyramid with an eye inside) today when i was logging on! lmao
midwich cuckoo
12-04-2007, 02:20 AM
i can't believe that i only just clicked about the AOL sign (pyramid with an eye inside) today when i was logging on! lmao
You will be interested in seeing this -
http://www.myspace.com/charlesstansfeldjones
phoenix1
12-04-2007, 02:46 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
QUESTION:
Who EXACTLY do we have here.....DECEMBER....or NOVEMBER ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
xdnax
12-04-2007, 04:40 PM
You will be interested in seeing this -
http://www.myspace.com/charlesstansfeldjones
wow! thank you thank you thank you!!!! :D
masonic3
12-04-2007, 07:20 PM
If something is true, you should always try and convince yourself as best you can. Maybe read some books and research it a bit. That's usually a great convincer.
God help us if you are running things:p
december
12-04-2007, 07:45 PM
so please, educate us.
The purpose of this thread is not to educate you, but to find out what YOUR reality is and why do you believe that "Illuminati is vereywhere and control everything...
Do you understand now?
As far as I can see you WANT to belive in conspiracy theories, and my thread There Is No Hole In The North Pole proves it.
Check it out -
http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Yammal---Q.jpg
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2661
december
12-04-2007, 07:53 PM
If someone didn't get it the first time, than let me say it again...
You see, it just looks like you are NOT looking for solutions, but instead you are trying to CONVINCE yourself about the Illuminati.
And whenever you come across someone who is running his own "show", you respond with your typical - Well.... This guy is just a part of the controlled opposition (by the Illuminati of course)...
tinmenace
12-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Maybe there's a misunderstanding of what Illuminati means to you versus to me, for example.
Define Illuminati
oceanwave
13-04-2007, 02:36 AM
People, are you trying to convince yourself about Illuminati? :)
That's what many of you do - you are trying to convince yourself that Illuminati is everywhere and encharge of everything.
...i know the "Illuminati" are around, and have been since before *i* became this form, and will probably be around long after *i* have dissipated from this form...
Does it mean that you actually want them to be encharge of everything? :)
there is something else greater than the "Illuminati" that "encharges" you, it traps you with every breath you take,..24/7...
...remember, in this reality, you are never free
...ever...
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 04:14 AM
to say something like the above, is like saying that you are enslaved and captured. so, you believe that you and me and all of us are in prison. i am not questioning that belief, but i want to ask. how can you be free? since you know and recognize enslavement, you must know freedom. what's it like? have you ever been free?
What a rediculous question. Could it be ANY more obvious that we are in a prison? Aside from happy thoughts clouding your mind, there is a thing called the Illuminati which has put a ball and chain on our legs since perhaps the beginning of humanity. You must not have noticed. So freedom, in the Matrix level, is the Illuminati not controlling every facet of Human life. Why do I have to experience this thing called freedom to know that it exists? I don't know what sorts of life lay in other parts of the galaxy, but there's a 100% chance there is life. In other words I don't need to experience something to know it exists. And no, I am not talking about TRUE FREEDOM, in the Nirvana sense.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 04:25 AM
[b]tinmenace, I didn't say that "David is wrong and that we're all asleep".
:)
What I am saying is that thanks to David Icke and some other conspiracy theory writers MOST OF people see only one side of the medal and for them "the Illuminati is everywhere and control everything" concept becomes like a new religion.[/u] :)
And you've taken a similar extreme. That extreme is that you aren't open to the possibility that it very well may be true. Instead, your mind is already made up that this is another Religion, another made-up community that thinks it has the truth.
Let me give you some advice. If you want discredit an idea, start by doing it with substance. You've convinced yourself that we're all naive and simply looking for something to believe in to fill our empty lives, now go ahead and put your evidence against our ideas forth.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 04:28 AM
tinmenace, I didn't say that "David is wrong and that we're all asleep".
:)
What I am saying is that thanks to David Icke and some other conspiracy theory writers MOST OF people see only one side of the medal and for them "the Illuminati is everywhere and control everything" concept becomes like a new religion.
It seems that people actually enjoy it, and they don't want to hear about countries which are NOT controlled by the so-called Illuminati.
It's funny how they quick to respond with their convenient explanation about people like Hugo Chavez or Putin -
"Oh.." they say, "They are just a controlled opposition...".
How primitive is that!
But what's really funny is that they cannot PROVE their claims, they cannot prove that Hugo Chavez is just a "a controlled opposition".
The facts, however, prove that he is NOT doing what Iluuminati want him to do. Please, read this thread for more info on Chavez - Was the CIA Behind the Chavez Coup? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2546
I also notice that many people actually have no or very little knowledge about people like Chavez, Putin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
So, again, it seems that the whole Illuminati story is turning into some sort of religion or interesting GAME to many people...
This is what is going on...
I will answer to other posters later on... :)
Certain specifics aren't always evident even when you know the framework. Maybe Chavez is controlled opposition, maybe he's not. Chavez isn't the Illuminati, and he's not what's keeping the "theory" alive. Look at politics in general and you will find that that almost everyone is on the NWO bandwagon. Everything is going in that direction. You'de have to be a fool not to see that politics is manufactured to create a NWO end.
We aren't all-knowing here. We very often know what's going on specifically, but sometimes we don't know. I'm sure 2tuff will give his take on it.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 04:37 AM
but in reality David Icke...Tsarion.... and others DO offer solutions but for some reason people just wave them away and don't listen....
David goes very deeply into the spiritual side of life and how we can change our reality with our minds and feelings.... he infact tells people at his speeches that we could turn it around over night.
so its not that he is not offering a way out.... its just you don't think his way out is realistic... and that's your choice.... but its very miss leading when you say "they don't offer a solution" and IMO is very ignorant to what his work is all about.
Yes, this is exactly the situation. It's interesting how people like to talk about Icke, yet they are incapable of actually reading one of his books.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 04:44 AM
This is interesting because as you should all be aware Hugo Chavez calls for the same thing as Kissenger (papal Advisor) and George Bush snr (SMOM) call for, here are the links where Chavez calls for the New World Order:
http://english1.people.com.cn/200509/16/print20050916_208939.html
Here he calls for global socialism, an objective of the secretive Fabien society:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4771229.stm
So while we all look around pinning the NWO tag on our western leaders the South american Roman Catholics i.e Castro and Chavez are working in line with the temporal agenda to bring in the destruction of the USA and the ushering in of another NWO.
There is nowhere in politricks now that offers an alternative or opposition to global temporal rule of the pope as universal monarch, this is the objective of the NWO a global state in socialism in subservience to the Anti Christ, the VIcar in place of Christ on earth.
Well there we go.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 05:05 AM
QUESTION:
Who EXACTLY do we have here.....DECEMBER....or NOVEMBER ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
Uh oh, I sure fucking hope not.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 05:07 AM
The purpose of this thread is not to educate you, but to find out what YOUR reality is and why do you believe that "Illuminati is vereywhere and control everything...
Do you understand now?
As far as I can see you WANT to belive in conspiracy theories, and my thread There Is No Hole In The North Pole proves it.
Check it out -
http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Yammal---Q.jpg
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2661
Oh bullshit.
cleft_asunder
13-04-2007, 05:11 AM
If someone didn't get it the first time, than let me say it again...
You see, it just looks like you are NOT looking for solutions, but instead you are trying to CONVINCE yourself about the Illuminati.
And whenever you come across someone who is running his own "show", you respond with your typical - Well.... This guy is just a part of the controlled opposition (by the Illuminati of course)...
Ohh, shit, you ARE November! Ha, duh. No wonder you're a complete idiot. Don't bother guys, he's a troll. He's here to sap energy and he wants to convert you to the true ways of the superior Russkies. Or at least that's his guise. AVOID THIS POSTER! You will not accomplish anything other than stressing yourself out.
Yes, this is exactly the situation. It's interesting how people like to talk about Icke, yet they are incapable of actually reading one of his books.
yer on a roll, c.a.; keep it up!
today, we have what we need, right now, to be free. most imagined impending events never come to pass, and the profound ones almost always go unnoticed, at first.
"this is a day on which nothing happened"-- king george iii's personal diary on july 4, 1776.
we only have now to practise love, and forgiveness, and courage.
lots of courage.
today is the only day to live. physical life is short, and fleeting.
this is the time to finish our business.
december
13-04-2007, 06:45 PM
I also wonder why do you think that the so-called controlled opposition really is controlled and working for the Illuminati?
Did the Illuminati tell you about it?
:)
oceanwave
13-04-2007, 07:00 PM
I also wonder why do you think that the so-called controlled opposition really is controlled and working for the Illuminati?
Did the Illuminati tell you about it?
:)
who, exactly are you addressing?...
...you remind me of a dog barking at nothing, and no-one, in particular
...here boy...
december
13-04-2007, 07:26 PM
who, exactly are you addressing?...
...you remind me of a dog barking at nothing, and no-one, in particular
...here boy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHS0iqnQApU)...
oceanwave, personal attacks does not help to make your case.
And you know.... you actually sound like a member of the Roman Catholic Church who is trying to accuse me of heresy...
:)
http://whgbetc.com/mind/inquisition4.jpg