What Chemtrails Really Are

[bicycle]

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.

The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature [body biometrics] and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic. And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.

Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.

http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm

[pennycat]

I've seen a couple of videos on You Tube that claim that chemtrails are being used to hide planet X. They do seem to be a lot worse in the West in the afternoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRTChvNL4Mo

[the_real_jazzroc]

We are dealing with Star Wars/blah/propagation.
No, you are blathering a mix of assertions so wild as to justify consigning you to a mental asylum.

They spray/blah/the air.
They don't SPRAY anything. Plasma collapses in air at sea level. Check out LIGHTNING.

More density/up there/create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Great for shooting satellites, useless for ground targets.

Chemtrails are the medium
Chemtrails don't exist.

HAARPs -- directed energy
Is 2,400 times LESS INTENSE than my microwave oven. It would take SEVEN HOURS to warm up my stone-cold cup of tea.

Spray and Zap
Piffle and balderdash.

Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite
But HAAARP isn't one.

It is an offensive and defensive system/blah/cloak fighter jets
In science fiction.

There are satellite weapons involved/ laser
There are lies and fanciful hopes involved.

They are also photographing / orbs / sound
You aren't by any chance related to a howling loon I know called DBOOTSTHEDIVA, are you?

Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass
Barium is a dense metal. Not refractive. Dense, like the above statement.

What does that mean?
Indeed.

Someone's very involved in / blah / mind control programming
Someone's mind is disturbed...

The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body
By gum, that's INTENSE(LY IMPOSSIBLE!)

These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick / to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts
Ooooooooh! :eek:

A beam/entrained orbs/particle beam/frequency weapon/holographic mind control movies/mind control/probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured/satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day/"HAARPs" can create earthquakes/x-ray the earth/through-your-roof satellite surveillance/global and space control grid/scalar energies/nuclear size explosions/impossible to shield against/If you hear/you may be being targeted/cell phone and satellite towers/large- scale, gas plasma mind control/control freaks and money mongers/mind-controlled and diseased/associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up
No, mate, it's much simpler than that. Using Okham's Razor - it's YOU

It constitutes U.S. global domination/new internal passports/plasma-cloaked craft/mistaken for UFOs/"Project Paperclip"/hold the rest of us hostage/create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war
So you don't know they are going bust?

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap
Chemtrails don't exist.

Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses?
Ultra-violet light is used world-wide to sterilize water. YOUR loss is acceptable to ME.

I know
Dick.

I assume
Far too much. Wait. That's an understatement.

As I understand it / Tesla death ray-guns
Did you read "Eagle" magazine? Let me tell you something: it was FICTION.

We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs
Shoot. I agree with you. Didn't get there YOUR way, though!

Is there any good news? Yes.
We're close to the end of this dizzying display of free-association.

only idiots would
believe

horrific, planet-killer weapons like these
I hope you haven't gone over-unity.

[eternal_spirit]

troll lol lololololol singing that tune that goes lololoololoolol

[the_real_jazzroc]

I've seen a couple of videos on You Tube that claim that chemtrails are being used to hide planet X. They do seem to be a lot worse in the West in the afternoon.
I find YouTube "chemtrail" videos to be BAD at any time of the day.

[eternal_spirit]

I find YouTube "chemtrail" videos to be BAD at any time of the day.

How many times troll have me and others said we have watched the skys and the planes spraying chemtrails which are not contrails.

BTW what have you got to gain by trying to convince us that chemtrails are contrails:confused: I don't get it and I'm not alone.

[cruise4]

Nor me... and I've never even heard or seen these chembow thingies :D It's all very odd. I notice a single mention of NPT drew a response too. I can only think this forum is the last refuge of the banned poster or something!

[the_real_jazzroc]

How many times have I and others said we have watched the skies and the planes spraying chemtrails which are not contrails.
You think that your possessing a pair of eyes qualifies you in some way to make the outrageous statements you make: that INNOCENT people are conspiring to spray everyone with poisons from passenger aircraft in order to kill them.

Well let me tell you that a pair of eyes isn't enough to come to the conclusions you've drawn. Your eyes, for instance, tell you that the Sun goes round the Earth. DOES the Sun go round the Earth? What other mistakes might you have made?

Seeing as there isn't a grain of truth in your claims, and you haven't produced a shred of cogent evidence to back them up, then by rights you should be arrested and charged with Libel and Slander. You would be convicted.

You are an ignorant pernicious and vicious contaminator of the peace of the world, and TRULY qualify for the description TROLL. (No offence)

BTW what have you got to gain by trying to convince us that chemtrails are contrails
A world free, at least, of your lies and evil.

confused
You certainly are - and I played no part in your confusion.

I don't get it and I'm not alone.
I can see you don't get it, and you're not alone.

Here's how to get it:

http://hubpages.com/hub/To-Chemtrailers-Twenty-Things-You-Dont-Know

http://jazzroc.wordpress.com

http://www.contrailscience.com

[eternal_spirit]

You think that your possessing a pair of eyes qualifies you in some way to make the outrageous statements you make: that INNOCENT people are conspiring to spray everyone with poisons from passenger aircraft in order to kill them.

Well let me tell you that a pair of eyes isn't enough to come to the conclusions you've drawn. Your eyes, for instance, tell you that the Sun goes round the Earth. DOES the Sun go round the Earth? What other mistakes might you have made?

Seeing as there isn't a grain of truth in your claims, and you haven't produced a shred of cogent evidence to back them up, then by rights you should be arrested and charged with Libel and Slander. You would be convicted.

You are an ignorant pernicious and vicious contaminator of the peace of the world, and TRULY qualify for the description TROLL. (No offence)


A world free, at least, of your lies and evil.


You certainly are - and I played no part in your confusion.


I can see you don't get it, and you're not alone.

Here's how to get it:

http://hubpages.com/hub/To-Chemtrailers-Twenty-Things-You-Dont-Know

http://jazzroc.wordpress.com

http://www.contrailscience.com


So, you still avoided my questions and the issues raised. Like I said you're a troll with an agenda.

Your lie is and has been since you arrived which is chemtrails are contrails, that's the biggest pile of shit ever! you can believe your own delsusions and believe your own lies but you won't convince anyone here of them.

So maybe it's time you logged off and fucked off back to your military Masonic masters and report to them your mission and dis-information campain was a BIG failure.

Read it an weep so long sucker.

[the_real_jazzroc]

So, you still avoided my questions
I answered your questions. You avoided my questions.

you're a troll with an agenda
You are not capable of making a true statement.

lie that chemtrails are contrails
How do you know that? By using your eyes? Have you sampled a contrail? Have you found NOBODY who's filled a tank? Have you ever read a science book? Have you ever read a book? Did you look at the links I provided?

If not, then you surely are a troll with an agenda. (It's only rhetoric - I can see that you didn't, and what you are.)

So maybe it's time you logged off and fucked off back to your military Masonic masters and report to them your mission and dis-information campain was a BIG failure.
So maybe it's time you logged off and greased your slimy way back to your dark room and dismal conspirators and report to them your "CHEMTRAIL" mission and dis-information campaign is coming to its end.

Go learn some atmospheric science, and while you're at it learn to spell...

[21_12_2012]

Jazzroc

I'd love to hear your opinion on other 'conspiracy-related' matters,
and whether you believe they are bollocks or not.

Stuff like:-
The New World Order.
The 9-11 official story presented to us by the media.
7-7 bombings.
The illuminati.
The fluoridation of our drinking water.
The global warming claims by 'science' (related to co2)
High level masonic conspiracies.

to name but a few....

Anything dodgy going on in that lot in your opinion ?

Or should we all just "move along people...nothing to see here"

[the_real_jazzroc]

I'd love to hear your opinion on other 'conspiracy-related' matters, and whether you believe they are bollocks or not.
Fair does... Man is a naturally conspiratorial animal, so the short answer is that I believe that mostly one WILL find conspiracies. Any war cabinet, for instance, IS a conspiracy.

The New World Order Is a private banking conspiracy to do to the world as a whole what has already been done to Europe, Britain, and the US. It would definitely be a domination by an overclass if it occurred. It is a smooth form of robbery.

The 9-11 official story presented to us by the media Is close to the technical truth but doesn't cover at all the foreknowledge that definitely occurred, in exactly the same way that Pearl Harbor occurred. The responsibility was exactly the same as if they carried it out themselves. They should be indicted for murder.

All the buildings collapsed because their steel buckled - the gravitational energy they contained was equivalent to 500,000 tons of TNT. Energy releases would sound like charges going off.

7-7 bombings I don't know so much about these events. There seems to have been the same set of eerie coincidences, which leads me to believe the same as above, but I haven't discovered more.

The illuminati Bilderberg, and all that? Yes, that's a sort of conspiracy, the net consequences of which would be to steal from the common man.

The fluoridation of our drinking water
A wheeze, it seems, to legitimize the dumping of a hard-to-deal-with waste product from the manufacture of aluminum by "losing it" in the water supply. This is only allowable under strictly-controlled conditions. (I don't suppose for a moment they were.) Excess quantities of fluoride are harmful, and fresh water is good enough for us by itself.

The global warming claims by 'science' (related to co2)
Are misconceived. No-one has EVER successfully modelled the Earth's climate.

However we ARE conducting an OPEN EXPERIMENT with the Earth which has GOT TO STOP. I say WE, for while you have a buck in your pocket, or burn fuel you haven't grown yourself, you ARE "WE".

High level masonic conspiracies All masonic activity is a conspiracy by definition. They are ALL undemocratic and non-meritocratic.

Anything dodgy going on in that lot in your opinion? It's ALL dodgy, isn't it? (Of course, that is what has been happening from year dot.)

Or should we all just "move along people...nothing to see here"
Well, actually this is what you SHOULD do. Think about it. You don't NEED "them". "They" NEED you.

By ALL means contest elections with your own candidates. When you have nothing to lose, everything is free. The other side PAYS to get its "coverage".

Confronted by an organised media and machine it hardly seems possible that you can win, admittedly.

But you don't have to support it in any way. Get out in the country, or some other country. Becomes self-sufficient. Don't pay any taxes. Don't buy food or oil. Don't USE dollars, pounds, cards, currency. It looks HARD, but if you DO, then you destroy the Earth and give these people the power to continue.

The Earth is beautiful right now. Live in it. Do without the ephemera of the media, politics.

With a bit of luck (if almost everyone buggers off) all that Illuminati crap will tumble like a house of cards, and the Earth will breathe a sigh of relief, and so will we.

Now when your scientific understanding is poor, and you see "signs in the sky" it behoves you to learn enough science to understand what you see, and not come to conclusions which build up a tangled ball of fantasies in your mind. Especially it behoves you NOT to spread such "chicken little" tales amongst each other.

This, almost more than anything else, will place you firmly in the control of the NWO and Illuminati. Because it's wrong, and entirely without foundation. Your actions do NOTHING to them.

You should be figuring out how to change or live outside this system, not running around like headless chickens.

[tothestars]

So, you still avoided my questions and the issues raised. Like I said you're a troll with an agenda.

Your lie is and has been since you arrived which is chemtrails are contrails, that's the biggest pile of shit ever! you can believe your own delsusions and believe your own lies but you won't convince anyone here of them.

So maybe it's time you logged off and fucked off back to your military Masonic masters and report to them your mission and dis-information campain was a BIG failure.

Read it an weep so long sucker.



Dont get caught up in bad emotions cause that is their primary goal to insert it (secondary goal is to convince us but I think they know by now that this is impossible).

Best thing to do is send forward love (Trolls have a hard time dealing with it) while presenting your arguments. Challenge him to look within and past the egoprogram. Thats the way of winning the battle :)

[21_12_2012]

Jazzroc.
Well, at least it is good to hear that you do consider 'conspiracy-related'
matters to contain some degree of weight to them.

It just seems a bit dodgy that you come on here as a new user and
dedicate your first posts to attempting to de-bunk chemtrails, as a paid
shill/mason would do. It's bound to raise a few eyebrows anyway.

Or should we all just "move along people...nothing to see here"

Well, actually this is what you SHOULD do. Think about it. You don't NEED "them". "They" NEED you.

The truth is, if we all just 'moved along' and did not concern ourselves with
the 'conspiracies' of this world, and question them, talk about them, think
about them....we wouldn't be here now typing on this forum, and the world
would be in an even worse state than what it is now.

Now when your scientific understanding is poor, and you see "signs in the sky" it behoves you to learn enough science to understand what you see, and not come to conclusions which build up a tangled ball of fantasies in your mind. Especially it behoves you NOT to spread such "chicken little" tales amongst each other.

The facts are, we are being targetted from all directions.
From the foods we eat, the water we drink, the tv we watch, from cradle
to grave through education (indoctrination), the medicines that are forced
upon us.
So why should it make sense that we are NOT being targetted by the very
air we breathe ?

The only real way you can prove that chemtrails are no threat to us, is to
actually gather evidence from a chemmy plane yourself, and have it analyzed
by independant scientists for every chemical under the sun.

Otherwise you will only believe what you have been told to believe, just
the same as a dentist has been taught "mercury fillings are totally safe
to put in peoples mouths"....or a doctor has been taught "give people
chemicals and pills to cure them"

Until that doctor/dentist/scientist has actually researched for HIMSELF
rather than believe what is taught to him, then they will go along with
any old bollocks (and they do...every day..all over the world)

And that's how it all stays together, the repeaters, repeating what they
think they 'know" to be true, rather than questioning the 'norm' and actually
investigating for themselves.

Like another poster mentioned earlier, i would love to be 'wrong' about
my feelings about chemtrails, and breathe a sigh of relief.

But i won't, until i see some REAL evidence from REAL sources.
From what i have seen, with my own eyes and other peoples views,
chemtrails ARE a subject of concern, and i most certainly believe them to
be a conspiracy to humanity.

This, almost more than anything else, will place you firmly in the control of the NWO and Illuminati. Because it's wrong, and entirely without foundation. Your actions do NOTHING to them.

You should be figuring out how to change or live outside this system, not running around like headless chickens.

The spreading of information by people like us who question the 'norm', is
one way of how people gain power and begin to wake up from the
manipulation.

In order for people to 'change' , usually they must first realise WHY they must
change...something needs to wake them up..and that something is knowledge
and truth.

[the_real_jazzroc]

good to hear
Yeah, moving on.

you come on here as a new user
Everyone's new at some time. Wait till you get to my age...

and the world would be in an even worse state than what it is now
Doubtful. Ending up in the CT dead-end is WORSE than simply useless.

So why should it make sense that we are NOT being targetted by the very air we breathe?
Learn about jets and the atmosphere and CTs will soon lose all sense.

The only real way you can prove that chemtrails are no threat to us, is to actually gather evidence from a chemmy plane yourself, and have it analyzed by independent scientists for every chemical under the sun.
I KNOW the concept is impossible in practice (and don't show me hoary pictures of the USAF defoliating Vietnam). It is up to YOU to do the above. But cut it out because you're blowing your dosh.

Otherwise you will only believe what you have been told to believe, just the same as a dentist has been taught "mercury fillings are totally safe to put in peoples mouths"....or a doctor has been taught "give people chemicals and pills to cure them"
Education IS NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM. That is simply the way it looks to the uneducated. If you had been properly educated, you would KNOW that, so much so that you would know that it isn't a process with a "stop" button. We may not be individually capable of EVERYTHING, but normally we CAN be good at something. No-one is "good" at "chemtrails", for they simply AREN'T THERE.

I would love to be 'wrong' about my feelings about chemtrails, and breathe a sigh of relief.
You ARE. Get breathing.

The spreading of information by people like us who question the 'norm', is one way of how people gain power and begin to wake up from the manipulation.
But there isn't any information - it's ALL MISTAKES, LIES AND DELIBERATE FRAUD.
Learn some science and work it out for yourself from first principles. Your "literature" hasn't a grain of truth in it. All your "science" is bad science. All your "proof" is either baseless or flagrantly fraudulent.

Humanity has always manipulated itself - nothing new there...

In order for people to 'change' , usually they must first realise WHY they must change...something needs to wake them up..and that something is knowledge and truth.
You must change because you're not even useless - you're WORSE than useless. (No offence :))

WAKE UP

http://hubpages.com/hub/To-Chemtrailers-Twenty-Things-You-Dont-Know

http://jazzroc.wordpress.com (http://jazzroc.wordpress.com)

http://www.contrailscience.com

[21_12_2012]

Cough...jah-bul-on...cough :D

[the_real_jazzroc]

Cough...jah-bul-on...cough :D
Get well soon.

[largejack]

I've just seen something completely strange that defies all logic. A plane came overhead spewing out white plumes as usual, but underneath, either from its belly or the bottom of the wings, a small dark grey line or trail was clearly visible falling at a 90 degree angle to the white trails out the back.

Can someone please explain what was happening here.

Earlier I also saw the classic 'claw' shape formation, where three planes flying parallel and equally spaced out, do a bend in the sky, leaving a claw like chemtrail.

[the_real_jazzroc]

a small dark grey line or trail was clearly visible falling at a 90 degree angle to the white trails out the back.
Someone pulled the chain on a No.2?

[cruise4]

Yeah, I am in Albuqurque - we have a big sky here, you can see for miles & miles. When the planes come over the mountains to the east (or the plains to the west) you can watch them turn on the spray - and then off again as they exit the valley area - about a 50 mile metro area. We see this all the time. I have also noticed that they spray along the interstate - into and out of town - where most of the people live - small towns/villages/pueblos.

Yesterday there was MASSIVE spraying being carried out all over the DFW area. Plane after plane after plane criss-crossed the sky spraying chemtrails in a grid-formation.

My girlfriend and I were watching a plane making a chemtrail over the interstate when suddenly the trail behind the plane stopped. I've never seen anything like that, either the pilot ran out of spray or he turned the spray off.

IMO, this is absolute proof of aerial-spraying because if the trail had been an actual contrail it wouldn't have stopped or "turned off". The plane wasn't ascending/descending and it's very unlikely that the humidity would change fast enough to end a contrail formation.


I think they're spraying the chemtrails for multiple reasons:

1. Weather modification and earthquake generation via HAARP. It's been proven that the trails contain Barium and Aluminum. If you look up the patents dealing with weather modification and HAARP they call for the spraying of Barium and Aluminum to be effective.
2. The barium which we breathe in makes us trackable. We will glow on their radar. In the movie "The Running Man" they inject people with barium to track them.
3. The aluminum in the chemtrails act as an antenna for HAARP thus letting them change our frequency/vibration and put holographic images and voices in our heads.


All heresay and no camera footage of course.

[the_real_jazzroc]

When the planes come over you can watch them turn on the spray - and then off again as they exit the valley area - about a 50 mile metro area. They spray along the interstate - into and out of town - where most of the people live - smalltowns / villages/ pueblos.
Aircraft engines make (invisible) STEAM which turns to (visible) contrail ICE. This sublimes back to (invisible) water vapor, but your metropolitan area creates an (invisible) rising plume of water vapor which PREVENTS the (visible) contrail from subliming back to (invisible) water vapor.

You have unfortunately hard-wired your brain so that when your eyes "see" contrail ICE, your brain "thinks" "chemtrail" and your lips form the word "spray". You have done this for so long you'll probably need ECT therapy to remove the hardwiring.

Yesterday there was MASSIVE spraying being carried out all over the DFW area. Plane after plane after plane criss-crossed the sky spraying chemtrails in a grid-formation.
This gibberish is the natural consequence of your brain dysfunction. Actually you are watching normal passenger shuttle jet operations.

My girlfriend and I were watching a plane making a chemtrail over the interstate when suddenly the trail behind the plane stopped. I've never seen anything like that, either the pilot ran out of spray or he turned the spray off.
Actually the plane simply flew into a drier layer. Contrail cut-off can be INSTANT.

IMO, this is absolute proof of aerial-spraying because if the trail had been an actual contrail it wouldn't have stopped or "turned off". The plane wasn't ascending/descending and it's very unlikely that the humidity would change fast enough to end a contrail formation.
Due to the fact that you haven't a clue what you're looking at, your judgement isn't worth dick. Just because you've been doing this for years doesn't make it any less dick. Humidity change from one stratospheric layer to another is instant, due to the intrinsic stability within stratospheric layers.

I think they're spraying
Whoops, there's NO spraying....

the chemtrails
Whoops, there's NO "chemtrails"....

proven that the trails contain Barium and Aluminum
In a pig's ear!

(Gosh, let's leave a basin by this road from a barium mine and see what drops in it!)

If you look up the patents
You'll find devices for removing boy scouts from horses' hooves...

movie "The Running Man"
movie "I was a REAL MAN before Aliens removed my ........"

put holographic images and voices in our heads.
In your case, YOU got there first....

All heresay and no camera footage of course.
All b****x and "no reason to live", of course.

In remote places on our globe you will find CARGO CULTISTS. These people have a religion that tells them that their gods wish to bring them presents.

In order to receive these presents, they must prepare a long straight strip of flat land, with a pole (looking remarkably like a windsock) and a small tower.

This they do, in wait for a plane. Eventually, after a time, a plane turns up. They have been told to take no notice of the pale-skinned occupant - he's merely the bringer of the plane, the contents of which belong to THEM.

It's strange what the workings of the minds of these innocent ignorant natives will lead them to believe, isn't it?

[largejack]

You still haven't proved that chemtrails don't exist ............................

[cruise4]

No and he won't be able to, because everything he says fails to take into account what the argument actually is:

See those big long aerosol phenomena in the sky... we suspect there may be more than meets the eye to them. So we'll keep watching, keep posting and see what we can dig up over time.

I am at a loss what this bloke thinks he's doing. Btw those observations weren't mine, but if you want to respond to every last chemtrail post we can keep at it for years.

He seems to think we all believe that they are 'certainly' spraying us, which I for one don't. It's suspicious, which it is.

So I'll make my own mind up about what is and what isn't suspicious thank you very much.

His whole argument is based on him knowing. But it's impossible unless he's analysed every last flight. The whole stance is just ridiculous. We have got your point.... YOU don't believe they are suspicious. How many times are you going to post the same thing over and over? We do and NOTHING you can say will ever change that. So why carry on? Unless you are here to waste everyone's time? Do something else a bit more useful.

[the_real_jazzroc]

everything he says fails to take into account what the argument actually is
Everything you say fails to take into account what the argument actually is.

See those big long aerosol phenomena in the sky
Contrails.

we suspect there may be more than meets the eye to them. So we'll keep watching, keep posting and see what we can dig up over time.
Why don't you go to a library and read what is written about them? I thought you were truth-seekers!

I am at a loss what this bloke thinks he's doing.

That's why I have asked you the above question. I bet you still don't get it!

Btw those observations weren't mine, but if you want to respond to every last chemtrail post we can keep at it for years.
Well, the responsibility is yours for anything you post. (I know it's hard for you to deal with responsibility, logic, knowledge, education - truth. You should seek them all, for it is plain you haven't found them yet.)

He seems to think we all believe that they are 'certainly' spraying us, which I for one don't. It's suspicious, which it is.
It's only "suspicious" for someone determined not to seek the truth.

So I'll make my own mind up about what is and what isn't suspicious thank you very much.
It was effortless for you. There's nothing in it.

His whole argument is based on him knowing
My whole argument is based on you learning to know that which you profess to seek.

But it's impossible unless he's analysed every last flight.
All aircraft are strictly standardized: what's impossible for one (the ability to "spray chemtrails") is impossible for all.

The whole stance is just ridiculous.
Your whole stance is just ridiculous. You are a "truth-seeker" - but don't seek the truth.

We have got your point.... YOU don't believe they are suspicious
You haven't got my point.... I KNOW that the only suspicious thing is YOU, with your "mmm, I suspect people I don't know are attempting to poison everyone" CRAP.

How many times are you going to post the same thing over and over?
How many times are you going to post the same thing over and over?

We do and NOTHING you can say will ever change that.
You are going to be made aware that I disapprove of your lazy slanderous behaviour.

So why carry on?
You should ask YOURSELF THAT.

Unless you are here to waste everyone's time?
That's rich coming from you.

Do something else a bit more useful.
And that one takes the biscuit....

[lizzy]

Is Morgellons Disease Caused
By Chemtrail Spraying?
By Ted Twietmeyer
tedtw@frontiernet.net
5-14-6

OBSTACLES TO CURING THE DISEASE

The outbreak in south Texas which made big news recently has thus far provided no answers as to the source of the disease. There is a wall which exists in the science community, which is as difficult as climbing Mt. Everest for scientists thinking "outside the box." Scientists are inherently bound by peer review and the very culture that awards them their doctorates, to stay away from so-called "fringe sciences." This very mindset makes solving the source of this disease nearly impossible.

There is also the ever present pharmaceutical market problem. Big pharma will ignore any "treatment market" that isn't worth hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. And of course, the word "cure" when uttered by a doctor is akin to blaspheming God. It is never uttered or even thought about, even behind closed doors. Instead, the word "treatment" is always used.

DISEASE IMAGES FROM AN ELECTRON MICROSCOPE



1,200x magnification of fiber growing from skin [1]



700x magnification of a fiber growing back into the skin [1]


CHEMTRAILS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE?

Since the only treatment that has been known to work is a very long term antibiotic therapy, this strongly suggests something foreign is present in the body. But what is it? Antibiotics are a catch-all therapy for many illnesses that defy explanation. These drugs have been used to treat early micoplasma infections, even though a micoplasma is considered as neither a bacteria or virus. All drugs can change the levels of the body's internal complex chemistry.

With Morgellons disease, there are two important aspects that must be considered. First we must crawl before we can walk. The first problem is HOW people contract it and second, what the pathogen is. Discovering the infection vector will shed tremendous light on the actual pathogen.The second aspect is effective treatment.

We must depart from conventional science to look at the cause of the disease. An open mind is required to consider what the disease vector may be. To start, a full comprehensive compliation of the background of each victim is required to build a database for study. Names are not required - only data. This includes geographic location, exposure to anything abnormal, such as abductions, chemical spills and being in the area of chemtrail fallout zones. According to current researchers [1] all 50 states have shown this disease, although it appears to be more prevalent in three southern states.

There is a strong similarity of Morgellons disease fibers to those found in man-made chemtrails as shown below:



Contrail Fibers under 60x magnification from [2]




Morgellons fibers under 60x magnification [1]

In the above images, we can see that many of the fiber sizes are the same, since both samples are under the same magnification.

Of course, we can't state conclusively these fibers are one and the same without a chemical analysis. Common characteristics of both types of fibers appear to be similar size and chaotic, uncontrolled growth. If these fibers are the result of highly advanced nanotechnology then we have found the disease, and possible who is behind it. But what would be the purpose of forcing this ailment on the population? Torture? To create a new pandemic in order to sell a new drug for a "treatment?" According to the Texas television news report, one young man who recently contracted the painful disease has committed suicide as a result of trying to deal with the pain.

Black nodules, long and short fibers that can't be pulled out and great pain are all highly effective in destroying relationships between couples. Put another way, the suffering is so great that participating in sexual acts are the last thing that victims of the disease will think about doing. The symptoms clearly make population control one important side-effect that cannot be denied. Perhaps south Texas has been selected as an experimental hot-spot. However, the disease has also been found in every state.

It is my hope that a researcher will consider this short essay as a starting point to consider looking for a CURE, and not a useless token treatment. We hope that this still unknown researcher will consider EVERY POSSIBLE VECTOR for this disease, including (but not limited to) nightime abduction experiments.

Ted Twietmeyer

www.data4science.net

REFERENCES

[1] - http://www.morgellons.org/images.html

[2] - http://www.carnicom.com/FibersNov2005.htm

[eternal_spirit]

After the snow melts following a winter of heavy snowfall and
heavy spraying, a weblike polymer is left behind for a day or two
before it is washed away or melts under a strong sunlight.



http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/sitebuilder/images/chemtrailwebonground-600x448.jpg


http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/sitebuilder/images/chemtrailwebongroundclose-600x464.jpg

[xpleet]

I think Cleft Asundar was right, replying each sentence is a bit of low-ness. :D

[the_real_jazzroc]

Is Morgellons Disease Caused
By Chemtrail Spraying?
NO, for chemtrails don't exist.

Ted Twietmeyer
Debunked "Inside a Chemtrail Sprayer" comprehensively.

OBSTACLES TO CURING THE DISEASE
The "Chemtrail" Hoax.

The outbreak in south Texas which made big news recently has thus far provided no answers as to the source of the disease.
Nor are there any here.

There is a wall which exists in the science community, which is as difficult as climbing Mt. Everest for scientists thinking "outside the box." Scientists are inherently bound by peer review and the very culture that awards them their doctorates, to stay away from so-called "fringe sciences." This very mindset makes solving the source of this disease nearly impossible.
I agree.

CHEMTRAILS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE?
Not when there aren't any "chemtrails"!

The first problem is HOW people contract it and second, what the pathogen is. Discovering the infection vector will shed tremendous light on the actual pathogen.
A statement that would be made only if one hasn't found the infection vector.

abductions, chemical spills and being in the area of chemtrail fallout zones.
But there aren't any "chemtrail fallout zones".

those found in man-made chemtrails
Nothing may be found in something that doesn't exist.

Of course, we can't state conclusively these fibers are one and the same without a chemical analysis.
No, you can't. Why hasn't this been done?

The symptoms clearly make population control one important side-effect that cannot be denied.
Gibberish.

We hope that this still unknown researcher will consider EVERY POSSIBLE VECTOR for this disease, including (but not limited to) nighttime abduction experiments.
If the vector isn't "nighttime abduction experiments", then that's going to waste a whole bunch of time.

And the opposite of bravery is both cowardice and conformity.

You two are a confirmation of that.

[neil]

You think that your possessing a pair of eyes qualifies you in some way to make the outrageous statements you make: that INNOCENT people are conspiring to spray everyone with poisons from passenger aircraft in order to kill them.

Well let me tell you that a pair of eyes isn't enough to come to the conclusions you've drawn. Your eyes, for instance, tell you that the Sun goes round the Earth. DOES the Sun go round the Earth? What other mistakes might you have made?

Seeing as there isn't a grain of truth in your claims, and you haven't produced a shred of cogent evidence to back them up, then by rights you should be arrested and charged with Libel and Slander. You would be convicted.


Are you seriously suggesting that people with views that don't accord with yours should be convicted? Convicted of what?

Name one state in the free world that sanctions legal provisions enabling it to go to law against its citizens in respect of libel and slander.

In my view, contrails are wrongly called chemtrails. Let's ensure we distinguish between aircraft contrails, which I'd guess are mostly harmless, and other aircraft effects, including weather-changing, which may be a lot less harmless.

We should distinguish both those things from HAARP effects, whatever those are, but which certainly include atmospheric effects and may possibly have effects at ground level.

Jazzroc's aggression is in inverse proportion to his call for rational debate.

Like Marpat and other forum members, Jazzroc's not interested in debate. If he were, he'd be a lot less unpleasant about putting people right.

Time to ignore the trolls.

[the_real_jazzroc]

Are you seriously suggesting that people with views that don't accord with yours should be convicted? Convicted of what?
If you read what I have written you have your answer. It isn't what you have written.

Name one state in the free world that sanctions legal provisions enabling it to go to law against its citizens in respect of libel and slander.
All of them. All they have to do is find a particular (rather than general) slander, find the victims (pilot, crew, service personnel, manufacturer, designer) and go to court on their behalf: the STATE against the SLANDERER.

In my view, contrails are wrongly called chemtrails
Glad to hear it.

Let's ensure we distinguish between aircraft contrails, which I'd guess are mostly harmless
Water is "mostly harmless". There's a bit of difficulty with the polar migration of NOX and SOX (trace combustion products) involving the repeated catalytic breaking down of the ozone layer.

and other aircraft effects, including weather-changing, which may be a lot less harmless.
"Weather-changing" is an extreme expression: a better one would be "cloud-seeding". The quantities of silver iodide involved (one molecule per raindrop) are not poisonous.

Aircraft have not been used to change weather.

We should distinguish both those things from HAARP effects, whatever those are, but which certainly include atmospheric effects and may possibly have effects at ground level.
HAARPS effects are aimed at the ionosphere (20 - 250 miles up) and wouldn't be easily detectable at ground level. The radiation density of 3 milliwatts per square meter is two thousand times less than SUNLIGHT.

To warm my cup-a-soup HAARP would need EIGHTY HOURS. (I'd HAVE to be at 100,000 feet.)

Jazzroc's aggression is in inverse proportion to his call for rational debate.
I haven't attained rational debate - it takes TWO rational people. Rational people don't make statements similar to the above. Polite people don't turn round in mid-conversation and talk to others.

Like Marpat and other forum members, Jazzroc's not interested in debate.
Marpat seems lucid to me. I AM interested in a proper debate. Not with you, though.

If he were, he'd be a lot less unpleasant about putting people right.
You confuse direct contradiction with unpleasantness.

Time to ignore the trolls.
Now I MAY be unpleasant.

The purpose of your post was merely to attempt to establish your intellectual competence, which you failed to do, both by not understanding what I had written, and by linking "chemtrail code-words" (weather-modification, HAARP) as some implicit but indeterminate threat without any special clarity whatsoever.

This appeared to give you the requisite "authority" to "act as spokesperson" for your "truth-seekers", and turn around from a position of speaking to me, to a position of talking to them.

Had you been in the room with me I'd have "decked" you for your rudeness.

However, this is a forum, so, nothing happens, does it?

[graflok]

So, the_real_jazzroc, on days when the sky is clear and blue as far as the eye can see, is it your belief that no planes are flying in that area on those days?

[the_real_jazzroc]

So, the_real_jazzroc, on days when the sky is clear and blue as far as the eye can see, is it your belief that no planes are flying in that area on those days?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m18/JazzRoc/jzbk.jpg

Moon - Stratosphere - Troposphere

I wouldn't believe that at all. But let's try and determine precisely what you're getting at.

If you are in an area where aircraft are regularly routed over you, and the sky is clear and blue, then that is possibly these days an infrequent event, because regular routes are adding one ton of water vapour for every twenty miles of flight for each aircraft - into the (invisible, layered) stratosphere which essentially isn't capable of "losing" that water downwards.* And so as each day passes, the (invisible, layered) stratosphere becomes progressively humidified. Eventually it becomes saturated, and then contrails will stay permanently in the sky, and mix and fill the layer they are in, and you get a "white-out" (which can look pretty grey from beneath).

However, the layers in the stratosphere move sometimes quite quickly, with different speeds and headings, so all this "stuff" (almost pure ice) gets transported elsewhere to be someone else's bad weather. It is when the stratosphere is slow-moving that it gets "into trouble".

Let's assume that "fate" (in the form of global weather luck!) has lined up for you a great long stream of briskly-moving dry stratospheric layers, over a nice warm calm (high pressure) troposphere - you're going to get blue sky horizon-to-horizon (mmm).

Well, whether you're under aircraft routes or not, you're going to get blue skies for a bit. If you HAVE planes overhead, that "blue sky" time is going to be curtailed relative to NO planes overhead, for SURE. The humidifying of the stratosphere is INEVITABLE when planes are daily pumping a million tons of water into some parts of it.

Planes can and do move through dry stratospheric layers without any sign of a contrail. Interestingly, they are very difficult to spot in a clear blue sky (without their contrails) from seven miles beneath, and if they were painted MATT BLACK you wouldn't be able to see them at all...

So, if the sky were blue all over, would I believe there were no planes in it?

NO. Not until I had checked the whole of it very carefully....

(Mind you, you could be on a yacht between the Cape of Good Hope and Tierra del Fuego - there'd be no planes......)

*The only way the stratosphere loses water to the troposphere is at "cell boundaries" of the Earth's air convection currents. It also gains water there as well...
The failure to understand the stratosphere is the underlying reason for the "chemtrail" misapprehension.

[graflok]

I live in a heavily populated part of Southern California not far from some of
the busiest airports in the country that have constant traffic in and out.

On most days the sky is clear of trails here.

My question is: If planes are flying every day, why only trails on some days and not others?

[neil]

If you read what I have written you have your answer. It isn't what you have written.


All of them. All they have to do is find a particular (rather than general) slander, find the victims (pilot, crew, service personnel, manufacturer, designer) and go to court on their behalf: the STATE against the SLANDERER.


Glad to hear it.


Water is "mostly harmless". There's a bit of difficulty with the polar migration of NOX and SOX (trace combustion products) involving the repeated catalytic breaking down of the ozone layer.


"Weather-changing" is an extreme expression: a better one would be "cloud-seeding". The quantities of silver iodide involved (one molecule per raindrop) are not poisonous.

Aircraft have not been used to change weather.


HAARPS effects are aimed at the ionosphere (20 - 250 miles up) and wouldn't be easily detectable at ground level. The radiation density of 3 milliwatts per square meter is two thousand times less than SUNLIGHT.

To warm my cup-a-soup HAARP would need EIGHTY HOURS. (I'd HAVE to be at 100,000 feet.)


I haven't attained rational debate - it takes TWO rational people. Rational people don't make statements similar to the above. Polite people don't turn round in mid-conversation and talk to others.


Marpat seems lucid to me. I AM interested in a proper debate. Not with you, though.


You confuse direct contradiction with unpleasantness.


Now I MAY be unpleasant.

The purpose of your post was merely to attempt to establish your intellectual competence, which you failed to do, both by not understanding what I had written, and by linking "chemtrail code-words" (weather-modification, HAARP) as some implicit but indeterminate threat without any special clarity whatsoever.

This appeared to give you the requisite "authority" to "act as spokesperson" for your "truth-seekers", and turn around from a position of speaking to me, to a position of talking to them.

Had you been in the room with me I'd have "decked" you for your rudeness.

However, this is a forum, so, nothing happens, does it?

Again, aggression.

I claim no authority in relation to this subject. You do. And I'm calling into question your credentials and your agenda. You've threatened me for questioning those things.

Debate = discussion, not edicts and threats. You're more interested in the latter rather than the former.

Name one case of a state going to law over allegations of slander against it... outside Russia at the moment.

Threatening me is not going to stop me questioning you. And it's doing nothing for your self-imposed information programme.

Internet etiquette: write clearly in lower case and avoid sarcasm, insults and threats.

[graflok]

jazzroc is now banned.

I see he was also kicked off of YouTube.