Does Icke work for the establishment?

[mcattell]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?

[bohemian_grover]

Does David Icke work for the establishment?

Only Premier Subscribers may ever know.

[sean]

If Icke works for the establishment, then he's doing a pretty bad job at it. I mean, in practical terms, what would he be achieving?

When you listen to David, do you feel like accepting the New World Order? I certainly don't get that vibe.

All the evidence and masses of research point to the fact that David isn't working for the establishment. I really fail to see how the opposite conclusion is reached.

[seamus]

LOL!

David Icke IS the establishment!







On a parallel time line!


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[Anders Lindman]

David Icke talks about having thinking aligned with intuition. That's the opposite of the NWO agenda which is based on mechanical control. Intuition doesn't need any form of agenda. Intuition can USE agendas, but is at the same time free to use novelty and creativity. Domination, control over, ritualistic behaviours, agendas and so on are reptile brain traits, which David Icke has explained.

[tinmenace]

David Icke talks about having thinking aligned with intuition. That's the opposite of the NWO agenda which is based on mechanical control. Intuition doesn't need any form of agenda. Intuition can USE agendas, but is at the same time free to use novelty and creativity. Domination, control over, ritualistic behaviours, agendas and so on are reptile brain traits, which David Icke has explained.

Bravo!

[limelady]

I think if David was working for the establishment they would have sacked him long ago.....he's shite at it!!! :D

[cleft_asunder]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?


I'm not going to go into trivial details. All I'm going to say is that before I knew about Icke, I didn't understand anything. After I read and comprehended Icke and saw the world through his view, there is little that I don't understand about humanities current situation. Instead of his ideas crumbling, they keep on becoming more and more reinforced. In other words, he is right.

[cleft_asunder]

I too have thought about WHY Icke is now in the mainstream. That recent documentary about him is quite unbiased. So... is it because it would do more harm than good to keep him supressed? Maybe it has to do with the awakening, I don't know...

[seamus]

My fear is that the illies will make a double of him and bump off the real David :(

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[cleft_asunder]

My fear is that the illies will make a double of him and bump off the real David :(

s

I've thought about that. Paul McCartney, right?

Hey ummm, back in the day someone posted about how a certain Native American didn't want to talk to David Icke because he felt --from what I remember-- certain negative energies. Has anyone heard about this?

[tinmenace]

Nope, but my first thought on that is that the negative energies weren't coming from David. He was just picking up the energies aimed at David.

[sean]

I think you'd be able to pick up negative energies from a lot of people, especially if you're attacked from all sides.

[i_am]

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

Pulverises?? What a load of you-know-what. Have you ever heard Icke talk? He gives information, from his point of view, and tells you to do with it what you will. How is that pulverising. Puleeease!! This is not even worth commenting on. oops! Bummer! I just did, didn't I? :p

[cleft_asunder]

Nope, but my first thought on that is that the negative energies weren't coming from David. He was just picking up the energies aimed at David.


I understand, but even if it was the Native American's intuition? Does intuition go past false energies and into the nature of the human?

[tinmenace]

I only know about my own intuition. I can't speak for someone else's.

[xdnax]

david icke says "think for yourself".....therefore, is he part of the establishment???? do i really need to answer this???

as for the "premium subscribers" comment...fair point. but you've gotta remember, the guy has to make a living.

[indigo]

So are some people assuming Icke is one of 'them' ? From reading one of his books, all I can say is: No way. I mean he mentions alot of stuff about 'Father Bush' and 'big dick cheney' that would be better off surpressed.:o Although it came from other sourses to start.

[father ted]

Hey ummm, back in the day someone posted about how a certain Native American didn't want to talk to David Icke because he felt --from what I remember-- certain negative energies. Has anyone heard about this?

What source did you hear that from?

I remember a time when I wanted to have a wank but I felt negative energies coming from my penis. I had a wank anyway and nothing happened.

[earthseed]

Why would someone from the establishment ever want you to focus on love? Or your own personal power? I know it's the new thing to question the questioners but let's not go to the point where we erase everything and are left at the beginning again totally ignorant. If he is of the 'establishment' there must be opposing establishments one from the dark the other from the light.

[Anders Lindman]

My fear is that the illies will make a double of him and bump off the real David :(

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:eek: Another idea is that what if my OWN thoughts are controlled by someone else? The Illuminati can perhaps control the mind of anyone. I use feelings to test if there is a sense of peace in my thoughts, and hopefully that combined with rational thinking should be enough to prevent my mind from being remote controlled. :)

[neutron flux]

What baffles me is how come I can walk into a mainstream book shop such as Waterstones and pick up such "dangerous" material? How come I can walk into my local library and pick up an Icke book? Where is the serious opposition (cointelpro wise) to his work?

Just some questions. :confused:


It has got me thinking: if I remember rightly, when Icke was "waking up", one of his experiences was in a shop where he seemed to have something practically move his legs over to some books that were on the shelf. Now where's the freewill in that? What entity would force you to do something? Would that entity be respecting the freewill of the person? If not, which I'm inclined to think so, what exactly is "guiding" Icke?

I'm not "Icke-bashing", just asking questions.

[tommi]

I too have thought about WHY Icke is now in the mainstream. That recent documentary about him is quite unbiased. So... is it because it would do more harm than good to keep him supressed? Maybe it has to do with the awakening, I don't know...

He was a TV personality once, so he was already knows by a lot of people.

[truthcommission]

Oh please.

This is all so obvious. Does it not seem fishy that this person would make their first question David Icke's credibility?

Lets sow some seeds of doubt here and start a little fire over here and then disappear.

Disinfo agent anyone?

[tonto o_reilly]

What baffles me is how come I can walk into a mainstream book shop such as Waterstones and pick up such "dangerous" material? How come I can walk into my local library and pick up an Icke book? Where is the serious opposition (cointelpro wise) to his work?

Just some questions. :confused:


It has got me thinking: if I remember rightly, when Icke was "waking up", one of his experiences was in a shop where he seemed to have something practically move his legs over to some books that were on the shelf. Now where's the freewill in that? What entity would force you to do something? Would that entity be respecting the freewill of the person? If not, which I'm inclined to think so, what exactly is "guiding" Icke?

I'm not "Icke-bashing", just asking questions.

I feel he is guiding himself.
Just my opinion.

[neutron flux]

I feel he is guiding himself.
Just my opinion.

Okay, but what's this "presence" that he talks about that has been guiding him and why doesn't it respect freewill? :confused:

[tonto o_reilly]

Okay, but what's this "presence" that he talks about that has been guiding him and why doesn't it respect freewill? :confused:


Maybe it is another part of himself.
I have no answers, just dont feel it is any sort of 'entity'

Cheers
TO

[a fine naked fellow]

Okay, but what's this "presence" that he talks about that has been guiding him and why doesn't it respect freewill? :confused:

Icke was being contacted. And icke wasn’t really bein forced, silly.
And I’ll 2nd the bit about icke guiding himself.

[limelady]

What source did you hear that from?

I remember a time when I wanted to have a wank but I felt negative energies coming from my penis. I had a wank anyway and nothing happened.

Ah thanks ted for your input into your .....ummmm....how can I put this......ah.....your illuminating observations about your own personal activities.

I think? :confused: :p

[mada88]

man that film is a piece of shit. If your gunna quote films make sure they are decent and mind expanding instead OF, bang bang kill em all good guy bad guy shite. It doesn't matter if dave works for the "establishment" as long as you get something from his work that changes your view on "life" thats all you need. I watched the ninth gate last night (sooooo much better than the punisher) and in that even the satanists had problems who to believe!

Its all about the self the true self not your ego.

Surrender to Love

[seanx]

Originally Posted by neutron flux
What baffles me is how come I can walk into a mainstream book shop such as Waterstones and pick up such "dangerous" material? How come I can walk into my local library and pick up an Icke book? Where is the serious opposition (cointelpro wise) to his work?


Do you live in the same world as the rest of us?

If you live in either UK or Ireland - you'd realize there was a very
subtle but MASSIVE negative campaign against Dave icke all
through the ninties.

The campaign was incredible successfully among the non-thinking
population.

Even NOW - ask your average 'Joe Public' about David Icke - and he'll
tell you -'Oh, he's that madman who thinks he's God etc. etc.'

That's why his books are freely available - he's no threat to them
because the 'powers that be' have successfully conditioned the
public's mind against him.

look - even a lot of people on this forum - yourself included, (clear from
your posts) - don't grasp the full implictions of what he is saying.

Someone asked him once why they haven't killed him because of
the 'secrets' he was revealing.

And David icke said - 'because I don't allow it into my reality' .

This concept- fully expounded in Tales of the time loop is so
opposite to EVERYTHING we have been 'taught' that 99.9%
of us will think such an idea is absolute nonsense.

'What! Create your own reality?'

We have being 'told' through every avenue available-'religion' , 'science', 'philosophy' - that we are powerless
beings existing in a 'reality' that is totally independent of
us . A reality that they 'tell' us we are POWERLESS to
change.

And Dave icke - and lots more pinoneer thinkers like him are telling
us this idea is shit.

Reality is real, at one level but in the ultimate sense, it is not -AND
thus we can change it as we like.

We are FREE.

But the majority of people thinks such ideas are 'mad', 'ridculous'
'deluded'.

And so the Powers that be' don't mind such books been available.
They are no threat.

However, wait until a new critical mass of people who think
like David icke emerge - and then see what happens.....

[ho1ogram]

I remember a time when I wanted to have a wank but I felt negative energies coming from my penis. I had a wank anyway and nothing happened.:eek:

Dude that's scary, see a doctor... :D

[Anders Lindman]

Maybe it is another part of himself.


Yes, his subconscious mind. David Icke described how his thinking has become more and more aligned with his intuition. And most likely, that is similar to saying that his conscious mind and subconscious mind are beginning to work more and more in unity. The subconscious mind is very powerful, and it was probably his subconscious mind that guided him at the book shop. And the reason why it seemed like his free will was lost was only because at that time his conscious and subconscious were working separate from each other, as they do in the vast majority of people I believe.

[emma royds]

I get the feeling reading some of these posts that there is an agenda here, people are deliberately trying to push the boundries of this forum, and I see a distinct likeness of some of the posters here, with that of another active conspiracy theory forum for which I shall not mention names, but suffice to say one only needs to read some of the threads over there to see that they are only interested in acting like children and wreaking havoc. One has to wonder whether it is actually some of these individuals that work for the establishment, after all I'm sure that those high up in the chain of command would prefer it if this site did not exist.

[tinmenace]

I think that there are some that would rather silence David, yes. Or, at the very least disrupt what he has going.

[emma royds]

What source did you hear that from?

I remember a time when I wanted to have a wank but I felt negative energies coming from my penis. I had a wank anyway and nothing happened.


We only need to look at this post to see where this forum is headed, it seems all to familiar to me, just like another conspiracy forum. Is this forum frequented by adolescents, or just very immature adults. Come on people get a grip.

[limelady]

We only need to look at this post to see where this forum is headed, it seems all to familiar to me, just like another conspiracy forum. Is this forum frequented by adolescents, or just very immature adults. Come on people get a grip.

I'm sorry, I just can't resist this one emma..... I know what you're saying here, and to a certain degree I agree with you, but I think from what ted described in his rather explicit earlier post, that's exactly what he did do and it didn't achieve much! :p

[poodle]

Haha Lime, well-spotted...

[klinker]

Does David Icke work for the establishment?

Only Premier Subscribers may ever know.

How may I know the answer to that question?

[father ted]

A silly thread deserves silly posts:D

[neutron flux]

Do you live in the same world as the rest of us?

Unfortunately, yes.

If you live in either UK or Ireland - you'd realize there was a very
subtle but MASSIVE negative campaign against Dave icke all
through the ninties.


To be fair it was his own fault because of what he was saying.

Even NOW - ask your average 'Joe Public' about David Icke - and he'll
tell you -'Oh, he's that madman who thinks he's God etc. etc.'


There are many that haven't heard of him either.
That's why his books are freely available - he's no threat to them


Indeed.

look - even a lot of people on this forum - yourself included, (clear from
your posts) - don't grasp the full implictions of what he is saying.


I fully grasp what he's saying - I just don't think it's a particular threat; for instance: "Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion". What does that mean? What is infinite love? Love is subjective, just like good and evil.

Someone asked him once why they haven't killed him because of
the 'secrets' he was revealing.

And David icke said - 'because I don't allow it into my reality' .



Depends what you mean, shape shifters? If it's disinfo (as it looks like it is), then they would have no problem with him spilling that "secret".

As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.

Reality is real, at one level but in the ultimate sense, it is not -AND
thus we can change it as we like.



Is the consensus reality something needed to be fixed or changed? I think we should look at ourselves first and work to no longer "fit" this reality.

We are FREE.

Now, are you living in the same world as the rest of us?

And so the Powers that be' don't mind such books been available.
They are no threat.


it seems that way. Thanks for clarifying.

[roxanna222]

A silly thread deserves silly posts:D


I agree Ted, very silly and some very "up tight poles in the ass" . Have a laugh people its ok. No need to bash other forums or suggest we cant laugh on this one. Cheers

[seanx]

Two things

Stop responding line by line to everyone's post. Not only annoying
but it makes you come across as one of those 'know it all' types.

As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.

As for you conclusions - you are absolutely RIGHT.

In fact, you're right in EVERY aspect.

Every belief is a 'self-fulfilling prophecy' - so if you believe this is all
nonsense - then for you it is - and everything that happens to you
or that you notice will 'prove' this.

Your choice.

As Henry ford said: if you believe you can do a thing, or if you
believe you cannot, in either case you're right!'

However, you're obviously posting this nonsense to take the piss out
of people on this forum.

S I think Fr. Ted and roxanna222 approach to your query is probably
the most appropriate.

[john white]

We only need to look at this post to see where this forum is headed, it seems all to familiar to me, just like another conspiracy forum. Is this forum frequented by adolescents, or just very immature adults. Come on people get a grip.

Its my experiance that there are very few mature adults in any other factor than chronological age. Certainly emotionally, most adults are frustrated infants at best. Shockingly, this is accurately mirrored in forum posting, often to my amusment, but its adult to tolerate the failings of children, is it not?

[Anders Lindman]

Certainly emotionally, most adults are frustrated infants at best.

At least there is a LOT of potential in most people, including myself, for upgrading one's emotions. The emotional energy field is very, very powerful, and I suspect that this field is very much related to the subconscious mind. And that's why subliminals etc are so effective because they bypass the conscious mind and target the subconscious.

Also notice how easy it is to pull at people's emotions by accusations for example. When people are not guarding their emotional field, two persons starting to arguing with each other can easily drag down an entire group of people into a lower emotional state. With training, such pull can be sensed in oneself which will make it more difficult for other people to pull at one's emotions (psychic vampirism).

[seperatefromtheherd]

Maybe it is another part of himself.
I have no answers, just dont feel it is any sort of 'entity'

Cheers
TO



Perhaps its his conscience? Which I feel we all have and I happen to live my life by the way my conscience flows and listening carefully. But yeah I think if he was part of the establishment then yeah he's doing a terrible job at it. I mean you take ten people and tell them what he's all about and probably 9 out of the ten will laugh at him.

[midwich cuckoo]

Don't we have more important things to discuss?. :(

[neutron flux]

Two things

Stop responding line by line to everyone's post. Not only annoying
but it makes you come across as one of those 'know it all' types.


Quote:
As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.

As for you conclusions - you are absolutely RIGHT.

In fact, you're right in EVERY aspect.

Every belief is a 'self-fulfilling prophecy' - so if you believe this is all
nonsense - then for you it is - and everything that happens to you
or that you notice will 'prove' this.

Your choice.

As Henry ford said: if you believe you can do a thing, or if you
believe you cannot, in either case you're right!'

However, you're obviously posting this nonsense to take the piss out
of people on this forum.

S I think Fr. Ted and roxanna222 approach to your query is probably
the most appropriate.

Well there's a great deal of hot air when it comes down to talking about freedom, isn't there.

You ask me to stop responding to each line. I feel it necessary in most cases if I want to respond to certain comments. It's my right. If that offends anyone it begs the question: why? Why do want to restrict my freedom of expression? If I come across as some "know-it-all", then so be it. Don't read what I have to say then.

The problem seems to be with people identifying with a body of work associated with a person, and if that work it critiqued in any way then it's seen as an attack on them personally.

I'm not taking the piss out of anyone.

And my quote:

As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.


I meant it as nonsense in terms of I don't think it's DI belief that stops him from "attacks".


Somebeliefs will not become self-fulfilling prophecies, like some kid in the ghetto who has a belief that someday he will be president of the USA, for example.

[xdnax]

Unfortunately, yes.



To be fair it was his own fault because of what he was saying.



There are many that haven't heard of him either.


Indeed.



I fully grasp what he's saying - I just don't think it's a particular threat; for instance: "Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion". What does that mean? What is infinite love? Love is subjective, just like good and evil.



Depends what you mean, shape shifters? If it's disinfo (as it looks like it is), then they would have no problem with him spilling that "secret".

As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.



Is the consensus reality something needed to be fixed or changed? I think we should look at ourselves first and work to no longer "fit" this reality.



Now, are you living in the same world as the rest of us?



it seems that way. Thanks for clarifying.

i get the feeling someone really DOESN'T "get it". lol
just a note on his books being published.
if you were the illuminati, would you prefer to have someone publishing his version and having people believe he's "crazy" (which most people will/do) OR try and supress his "tales" and give them more credibility???

[seanx]

Most people on this forum are trying to understand and apply
his ideas.

There are plently of forums where you can go and rubbish his
ideas.

it's not my problem, if you can't see beyond the five-sense world
- and thus regard d. Icke ideas as nonsense.

You're perfectly free to believe whatever you want. it doesn't
make the slightest difference to me personally - or, I'd say to
most people on this forum.

Last week, I was talking to a doctor who is training some of
his patients to use some of the ideas mentioned in Tales of the
Time Loop to improve his patient's immune sytem and increase
their chances of survival.

That what his forum should be doing - trying to exchange
information and deepen our understanding of these ideas -
and not waste them on people, who let's be honest, have
even got a BASIC idea of what most of us are talking about here.

Criticism is fine - to be welcomed - but when you think EVEN
the MOST basic idea behind all D. icke books that; belief creates
reality is foolish and nonsense - you are taking the piss out of most
people here.

[seamus]

Two things

Stop responding line by line to everyone's post. Not only annoying
but it makes you come across as one of those 'know it all' types.
Heyyyy.. I like answering posts this way. Didn't you ever use Usenet? Sheesh. Besides, it makes the answers so much easier to line up with the questions :p



s

[john white]

At least there is a LOT of potential in most people, including myself, for upgrading one's emotions. The emotional energy field is very, very powerful, and I suspect that this field is very much related to the subconscious mind. And that's why subliminals etc are so effective because they bypass the conscious mind and target the subconscious.

Also notice how easy it is to pull at people's emotions by accusations for example. When people are not guarding their emotional field, two persons starting to arguing with each other can easily drag down an entire group of people into a lower emotional state. With training, such pull can be sensed in oneself which will make it more difficult for other people to pull at one's emotions (psychic vampirism).

Well thats the wonderful about children Anders (potential). Your absolutely right from how it looks over here

[neutron flux]

Most people on this forum are trying to understand and apply
his ideas.

There are plently of forums where you can go and rubbish his
ideas.


Hey, I was just asking some questions in my original post nothing more.

it's not my problem, if you can't see beyond the five-sense world
- and thus regard d. Icke ideas as nonsense.


People are really good at making assumptions of other posters on here; what makes you think I can't "see beyond the five sense world"? And I didn't regard all of DI's ideas as nonsense at all - just one tiny aspect of a quote you wrote.

You're perfectly free to believe whatever you want. it doesn't
make the slightest difference to me personally - or, I'd say to
most people on this forum.


Judging from your responses I'd say that it matters a great deal to you.

That what his forum should be doing - trying to exchange
information and deepen our understanding of these ideas -
and not waste them on people, who let's be honest, have
even got a BASIC idea of what most of us are talking about here.


It's not rocket science as they say and if this is how you subject people who ask questions for pondering, then God help any real people who don't understand, you're just making them feel they couldn't question anything on this forum.

Criticism is fine - to be welcomed - but when you think EVEN
the MOST basic idea behind all D. icke books that; belief creates
reality is foolish and nonsense - you are taking the piss out of most
people here.

Sorry to be the resident iconoclast, but once again I never said that "belief creates reality" as foolish and nonsense, but context is everything.


Hey if everyone is right and I'm so stupid then the jokes on me - feel free to take the piss - I implore you to do so. :)

[cowboy]

Nah. David Icke/Alex Jones/Jack Blood etc..... aren't working for the "establishment" Just look at what the elite stand for and then look at what these indiviuals preach.

[gremlin]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?

to realease the mind from material world is not easy, but acheivable, we wont give up on you.

[father ted]

Two things
What?

Stop responding line by line to everyone's post.
Yeah, I hate it when they do that

Not only annoying
but it makes you come across as one of those 'know it all' types.
And desperate to win an argument


Quote:
As for "not allowing it into my reality" is such nonsense - no one is out of reach from this level to the next.
You're absolutelly right

As for you conclusions - you are absolutely RIGHT.
Correct

In fact, you're right in EVERY aspect.
That's a big call.

Every belief is a 'self-fulfilling prophecy' - so if you believe this is all
nonsense - then for you it is - and everything that happens to you
or that you notice will 'prove' this.
Funny world.

Your choice.
Just don't impose it on others.

As Henry ford said: if you believe you can do a thing, or if you
believe you cannot, in either case you're right!'
Henry Ford, wasn't he illuminati? They know things.

However, you're obviously posting this nonsense to take the piss out
of people on this forum.
That's right, posting nonsense gives the impression that you're taking the piss out people or threads.

S I think Fr. Ted and roxanna222 approach to your query is probably
the most appropriate.
Cheers, it's about not giving in to psychic vampires;)

[cleft_asunder]

Heyyyy.. I like answering posts this way. Didn't you ever use Usenet? Sheesh. Besides, it makes the answers so much easier to line up with the questions :p



s

I agree, it's completely rude. I will ignore anyone who replies in this fasion.

[cleft_asunder]

Okay, but what's this "presence" that he talks about that has been guiding him and why doesn't it respect freewill? :confused:

He specifically says that it isn't some entity in another dimention, it is THE ONE itself, pure conciousness, which we all are.

[cleft_asunder]

Ah thanks ted for your input into your .....ummmm....how can I put this......ah.....your illuminating observations about your own personal activities.

I think? :confused: :p

I seriously need to stop wanking it. Nothing new then. I need a girlfriend. What do girls look like again?

[cleft_asunder]

Do you live in the same world as the rest of us?

If you live in either UK or Ireland - you'd realize there was a very
subtle but MASSIVE negative campaign against Dave icke all
through the ninties.

The campaign was incredible successfully among the non-thinking
population.

Even NOW - ask your average 'Joe Public' about David Icke - and he'll
tell you -'Oh, he's that madman who thinks he's God etc. etc.'

That's why his books are freely available - he's no threat to them
because the 'powers that be' have successfully conditioned the
public's mind against him.

look - even a lot of people on this forum - yourself included, (clear from
your posts) - don't grasp the full implictions of what he is saying.

Someone asked him once why they haven't killed him because of
the 'secrets' he was revealing.

And David icke said - 'because I don't allow it into my reality' .

This concept- fully expounded in Tales of the time loop is so
opposite to EVERYTHING we have been 'taught' that 99.9%
of us will think such an idea is absolute nonsense.

'What! Create your own reality?'

We have being 'told' through every avenue available-'religion' , 'science', 'philosophy' - that we are powerless
beings existing in a 'reality' that is totally independent of
us . A reality that they 'tell' us we are POWERLESS to
change.

And Dave icke - and lots more pinoneer thinkers like him are telling
us this idea is shit.

Reality is real, at one level but in the ultimate sense, it is not -AND
thus we can change it as we like.

We are FREE.

But the majority of people thinks such ideas are 'mad', 'ridculous'
'deluded'.

And so the Powers that be' don't mind such books been available.
They are no threat.

However, wait until a new critical mass of people who think
like David icke emerge - and then see what happens.....

You know your shit.

[cleft_asunder]

Yes, his subconscious mind. David Icke described how his thinking has become more and more aligned with his intuition. And most likely, that is similar to saying that his conscious mind and subconscious mind are beginning to work more and more in unity. The subconscious mind is very powerful, and it was probably his subconscious mind that guided him at the book shop. And the reason why it seemed like his free will was lost was only because at that time his conscious and subconscious were working separate from each other, as they do in the vast majority of people I believe.

The subconcious mind IS the One, isn't it? Or is it another aspect of the Matrix? Perhaps a false oneness?

[cleft_asunder]

I get the feeling reading some of these posts that there is an agenda here, people are deliberately trying to push the boundries of this forum, and I see a distinct likeness of some of the posters here, with that of another active conspiracy theory forum for which I shall not mention names, but suffice to say one only needs to read some of the threads over there to see that they are only interested in acting like children and wreaking havoc. One has to wonder whether it is actually some of these individuals that work for the establishment, after all I'm sure that those high up in the chain of command would prefer it if this site did not exist.

Let's not jump to conclusions. It is naturally to voice skepticism. But when the forum becomes nothing but skepticism, we should be concerned. That is the state of that other forum.

[welfarewarrior]

throw him a can and see if he tells ya :p

[emma royds]

Its my experiance that there are very few mature adults in any other factor than chronological age. Certainly emotionally, most adults are frustrated infants at best. Shockingly, this is accurately mirrored in forum posting, often to my amusment, but its adult to tolerate the failings of children, is it not?


You may have a point John, but just how much should we tolerate? It would be much better if everyone could get on and stop attacking each other, and behave like adults should behave. I don't understand why people feel the need to attack each other, but often find myself being pulled into these personal attacks. It is not easy to ignore this kind of behaviour that is damaging to this forum. Can we not all for the love of christ, "PLEASE GET ON WITH EACH OTHER"

[emma royds]

Let's not jump to conclusions. It is naturally to voice skepticism. But when the forum becomes nothing but skepticism, we should be concerned. That is the state of that other forum.

;)

Point taken.;)

[thirdwave]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?





It amuses me when people bring this up....

you also have some people that think because he exposes the crimes of the people running this world and their goal... he is a fear mongerer!!

in other words they are saying... "your info makes me afraid!!, so you are a horrible dishonest man!!" lol

and now we have people thinking that his "horrible info" some how makes us except that man kind will be a slave race, rather than being alert to it.

what I want to ask these people is how can one shout out the truth with out being a fear mongerer or brainwashing magician??

answer... just keep quite and don't tell people the bad news?? and that will do what?, exactly what the "Establishment" want.... they don't want people to listen to this horrible man who keeps making up nasty stuff about our puppy dog rulers who are trying to save the world.... here, come to daddy bush and I will tell you its all rubbish and make it better for you.... infact soon we can kill people like him so you wont have to hear their lies anymore and you will be free to wallow in your fear induced ignorance.

I think people just need to wake up and be a bit more brave. then maybe when more people actually start paying attention, the situation might not be as scary! and there would be less chance of people expecting to serve an evil Establishments agenda!....

[Anders Lindman]

The subconcious mind IS the One, isn't it? Or is it another aspect of the Matrix? Perhaps a false oneness?

Absolutely. At least, the subconscious mind is a deeper connection to all that is. Bruce Lipton has explained how the subconscious mind is like a massive tape recorder. For example, when driving a car, a person can be lost in daydreaming or in a conversation with a passenger, but still drive the car perfectly! I remember times when I have driven to work in the morning in a sleepy state, and when arriving at work, not remembering how I drove the car! Totally auto-pilot. That's the subconscious mind in action.

The trick, as I see it, is to integrate the conscious mind with the subconscious. Normally, the conscious mind is living in its own little thought-world, thinking about the past and the future. The problem is, that this kind of separation between the conscious and the subconscious creates a massive inner conflict, unless the subconscious is perfectly tuned to the conscious mind, which in ordinary people, it ISN'T.

How do I feel, moment by moment? Is there a sense of connection with the physical world? Is there a sense of joy, aliveness, a sense of ease? If not, then I can be pretty sure that my conscious mind is not aligned with my subconscious.

[mitch_lane]

neutron flux wrote:

...I fully grasp what he's saying - I just don't think it's a particular threat; for instance: "Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is an illusion". What does that mean? What is infinite love? Love is subjective, just like good and evil.

this indicates, to me anyway, that you haven't grasped what Icke is saying and that, if you have read the book who's title you are quoting, that you haven't fully understood its message. Icke is not talking about the sort of love that you are indicating- he goes at length to make the distinction between emotional love ( a chemical/programmed reaction) and that of Infinite Love (call it the Godhead, Creation, Infinite Consciousness or whatever) which is the Ultimate Truth and so cannot be subjective. Now you may not agree with this but this is what Icke is saying and is something that you seem to have failed to fully understand

[thirdwave]

Its hard to say this without coming across as patronising but it really does seem that all those who come out with the "Icke Sheep" quotes and the "Icke is a misleader" stuff... or what ever else... it always seems like they are just completely not getting it....

its like you have to explain to them all the time where they are miss understanding Icks work....

I guess the nature of his work will bring this on its self so its no shock....

but Seeing what I see in the stuff David Icke does, allot of the comments you hear against his work really does make you scratch your head.

and when anyone tells me something I believe in is misleading then I automatically press my bullshiter repellent on.... if they have some info they would like me to pay attention to then so be it.

[them]

Has any of Ickes work been censured before being published?

Like Spycatcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was, for example.

[thirdwave]

i dont think so as he done it all him self.... thats why he now has his own company his books go through.... if im not mistaken...

[mrguitarbear]

I think the Illuminati would only have Icke killed if he was directly interfering in their plans or standing in their way , as it is he is only writing books. 60% of the population of the Western World didn't even read a book in 2005 !

Similarly Robert Anton Wilson hasn't been assassinated , nor Steve Jackson of Steve Jackson Games who made the Illuminati card game.

Similarly George Dubya hasn't had Michael Moore or Al Franken killed off and the Vatican haven't arranged a mysterious accident for Dan Brown.

You don't really need to have people assassinated today if you can smear their reputation , or create disinformation to muddy their claims , or shout them down. Princess Diana had to be killed , she was causing trouble and she was too popular , the same with JFK.

The guy who played Father Ted , I'm not sure about him , but maybe he offended someone in particular in the Irish church or Establishment. The Illuminati made it clear they were involved though by getting that weird chair erected to him as a memorial. Otherwise , who would have considered the death of a mere comedian as suspicious ?

[mrguitarbear]

With David Icke , you have to consider the message that he is passing on. If we accept that there is a negatively-minded Establishment , then Icke is passing on a message that the Establishment would prefer not to be said. No matter which way you look at it.

The Establishment wants you to be afraid and Icke is telling you not to be afraid.

Yeah , yeah , you can go with the ' X Files ' and trust no-one if you want. But as with any teacher , you have to listen to the message that person is purveying and see if it rings true in your heart.

If David Icke is being paid by some secret society to disseminate disinformation , then there is no evidence of it : he lives in a small flat and he is making claims that have brought him personal ridicule , yet his message is still essentially the same one he wrote of in ' The Truth Vibrations ', he hasn't recanted his vision. He doesn't have to do what he does , thats why I see him as a prophet and a hero in the genuine sense of the word ( undertaking a difficult task for the benefit of the community ).

[thirdwave]

also if you look at when people do get killed ... it only draws people to their work even more.... and gives them a more idol like status....

[them]

i dont think so as he done it all him self.... thats why he now has his own company his books go through.... if im not mistaken...

I don't know if you're mistaken, or not.

I'm also not sure if publishing your own material, in house, is a way of getting round libel law.

Libel law protects individuals from unjustified attacks on their reputation. A person is libelled if the words expose him or her to the risk of being;

hated, ridiculed, or viewed with contempt, or shunned or avoided, or lowered in the standing of right thinking members of society, or discredited in his trade, business, office, or profession

The law tries to balance the equally important but often opposing demand of freedom of expression. David Icke says things about people which they prefer not being said. The law allows you to comment on what is true or comment on a fact based on truth. There are also situations protected by qualified privilege preventing libel challenges where there is a duty to give information and a corresponding interest to receive it. This area of law is being developed with a new protection for "responsible" writing which means getting your story right and acting on good advice.

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/history_wing/assets/room1/blood_libel_circular_badeges.jpg

[mada88]

People daren't go beyond the five senses because of fear. And that is like Dave says is the place we have to go. I'm sick of the whole elite NWO shit camp stay there are nothing is gunna fucking happen. Pack your tent and keep walking and never stop and get onto the infinity road :cool:
Yeah I can agree with some of the things that alex jones and others say about the NWO but they just stop there! Thats probably why they attack David. And it seems people want a fight, we can face things without fighting them. And just look at this world its built on fighting/survival we have killed and been killed for what? what greater good was it? I ask myself when I go to work why the fuck do I bother when I'm only making things for the true insane person (the consumer) the shopper to buy.

Woah 3D moment? anger has nothing to do with hate or fear.

[premasai]

I think the Illuminati would only have Icke killed if he was directly interfering in their plans or standing in their way , as it is he is only writing books. 60% of the population of the Western World didn't even read a book in 2005 !

Similarly Robert Anton Wilson hasn't been assassinated , nor Steve Jackson of Steve Jackson Games who made the Illuminati card game.

Similarly George Dubya hasn't had Michael Moore or Al Franken killed off and the Vatican haven't arranged a mysterious accident for Dan Brown.

You don't really need to have people assassinated today if you can smear their reputation , or create disinformation to muddy their claims , or shout them down. Princess Diana had to be killed , she was causing trouble and she was too popular , the same with JFK.

The guy who played Father Ted , I'm not sure about him , but maybe he offended someone in particular in the Irish church or Establishment. The Illuminati made it clear they were involved though by getting that weird chair erected to him as a memorial. Otherwise , who would have considered the death of a mere comedian as suspicious ?

Longer I am on this forum I am getting more and more doubts about David Icke. Being most popular conspiracy writer Icke enjoys freedom of speach and does pretty well. Why is so? It can be because his influence is still very minor (very few people have ever read any of his books and know what he talks about).
But it might be that he is part of NWO and simply acts as controlled opposition or even opposition by design.
I personally do not trust David. There are things that I know for a fact that Icke is NOT right about. And it makes me wonder why? And it would fit very well into NWO disinformation.
I do not want to tell anyone to believe or not to believe David Icke. Just be careful and do not take for granted how good Illuminati (this term also can be disinfo) or whatever you call them are.
One more thing. This situation about this American that supposedly took David's work as his. It is so obvious that I do not even undrstand it. If David really wrote his books it would be no problem to prove it? Why does it take so long and why does David need financial assistance? If he is right the other guy will pay his legal fees. I wonder if David is going to return the donations back.................

[sean]

One more thing. This situation about this American that supposedly took David's work as his. It is so obvious that I do not even undrstand it. If David really wrote his books it would be no problem to prove it? Why does it take so long and why does David need financial assistance? If he is right the other guy will pay his legal fees. I wonder if David is going to return the donations back.................

Premasai, this has been gone over many times before. There is a legal case, and it costs huge amounts of money. If you donate money, you aren't going to get it back. If you don't like that, don't do it.

[deano]

no he doesnt.

he may have been deliberaty fed the reptillian story to make him look stupid. without the reptillian story, i think david would of been popped off along time ago.

the only problem with david is being gullable.

[i_am]

Premasai, this has been gone over many times before. There is a legal case, and it costs huge amounts of money. If you donate money, you aren't going to get it back. If you don't like that, don't do it.

and that is why it is called a donation NOT a loan :p

If you donated, then perhaps you should not have, and if you did not then it has nothing whatsoever to do with you.

[premasai]

Premasai, this has been gone over many times before. There is a legal case, and it costs huge amounts of money. If you donate money, you aren't going to get it back. If you don't like that, don't do it.

I do not expect money back if I donate. I only wonder how David is going to act if he wins (shouldn't he?). Loosing party always pays both legal fees.
Ideas: charity.... I am sure it will be something like that. We will see.
Note: I am not going to donate anything to David Icke's case.

[tinmenace]

It's nobody's business what David does with HIS money. It's nobody's right to even ask such a question.

[premasai]

It's nobody's business what David does with HIS money. It's nobody's right to even ask such a question.

You are perfectly right. David has a right to ask ( maybe I should say beg, because it is how it looks like to me more and more) for donation and when he gets HIS money then he can do with them what he wants. Definitely nobody has any right to ask questions!!!

Hahahahahaha.......
I am really starting having fun here.

[tinmenace]

When I give money (or anything else), I NEVER attach any ties to it. I give it from my heart and then it's no longer mine to control. I don't feel as though I have a right to demand it be spent in a way of my choosing, and I most certainly don't have the right to demand disclosure of how it was spent.

When I give, I give it away. It's not mine anymore and I don't have a string attached to it.

If you can't let go of it, then you're not truly giving... and in fact you're controlled by that which you've pretended to give.

[3ill]

I wrestled with a similar (however less distinct) notion before. However actually watching him speak made up my mind for me. Alex Jones, however, sill suspicious. Good for info, bad for actual application of dissent. Fighting things gives them strength, and honestly Alex Jones fights way too hard and derogatory for me. In actuality it's some of the somewhat snarky (may be the wrong word here) comments David makes that made me suspicious, however upon delving further, they seem to be an honest satirical look at our world, and in all honesty nothin can alter my perception of the things I've experienced based on what David has written / spoken about, so that's all the proof I need. I went from being Self destructive, and a vicitm, to creating my own life metaphysically.

3'LL

[tinmenace]

Bravo! Yes, David always encourages people do further research and prove it to THEMSELVES. He's right, because if we just believe everything we're told without questioning it and researching it for ourselves, then we're never really escaping the herd mentality and indoctrination.

I've never ever felt uneasy with anything David has said. It all felt right to me, even in the beginning when I'd never considered that reptilian bloodlines ruled the world. As incredible as that seemed, I never doubted him. I did, however, do further research, and a year later I found that he been sincere and truthful.

[premasai]

When I give money (or anything else), I NEVER attach any ties to it. I give it from my heart and then it's no longer mine to control. I don't feel as though I have a right to demand it be spent in a way of my choosing, and I most certainly don't have the right to demand disclosure of how it was spent.

When I give, I give it away. It's not mine anymore and I don't have a string attached to it.

If you can't let go of it, then you're not truly giving... and in fact you're controlled by that which you've pretended to give.

Whatever you write. What Icke will do will show what person he is.
I mentioned all situation because this is what I would do (returned money for some charity). I will tel you truth: I donated small amonunt as I believe that we all should take care of our actions. I do not care what he does with it. David claims that he has some messages to people, writes books, sells them, makes living, asks for donations. What he will do will show if he is man of honour or not. as simple as that.

[tru3]

I've never ever felt uneasy with anything David has said. It all felt right to me, even in the beginning when I'd never considered that reptilian bloodlines ruled the world. As incredible as that seemed, I never doubted him. I did, however, do further research, and a year later I found that he been sincere and truthful.

isn't that that the key? you either feel it, or you don't. that's not to say david doesn't challenge people. he has been giving a consistent message since the beginning. he is not afraid to stand alone.

i have been following conspiracy theories since the 70's. i got tired of most of them ending in "kill the jews".

the moment i heard david say "the power of the pyramid is at the base", it was like a tuning fork went off in my head.:rolleyes: that's what i'm talking about!

[i am all i am]

I personally do not trust David. There are things that I know for a fact that Icke is NOT right about. ..

This is because you are a devotee of the paedophile sai baba and David has exposed your guru for the world to see the truth.

With LOVE.

[3ill]

isn't that that the key? you either feel it, or you don't. that's not to say david doesn't challenge people. he has been giving a consistent message since the beginning. he is not afraid to stand alone.

i have been following conspiracy theories since the 70's. i got tired of most of them ending in "kill the jews".

the moment i heard david say "the power of the pyramid is at the base", it was like a tuning fork went off in my head.:rolleyes: that's what i'm talking about!

Alot of the stuff interested me as it was an extension of theories i had formulated about the spiritual/metaphysical reality from ages 9- present day. Honestly, before I read David's work, I read alot on Gnosticism, Existentialism, Sex Magick, Paganism and Wicca, and numerous other ism's that still left soemthing missing. It felt like something small, but after reading t'The Biggest Secret' and Infinite Love' I relaized it was something much bigger, a truth that was actually relevant to modern times and gave the pwer back to the people. Now I can say I've truly experienced that power, however limited, and it's still 100-fold more than any other "truths" I've read on. This began as a stream of lovely Coincidign information coming from independant sources, and left me currently able to manifest my own life.

Hasn't helped me with my slacking and tendency to waste time on message boards, but I'd say that bit is up to me.

[tinmenace]

...and numerous other ism's that still left soemthing missing. It felt like something small, but after reading t'The Biggest Secret' and Infinite Love' I relaized it was something much bigger, a truth that was actually relevant to modern times and gave the pwer back to the people. Now I can say I've truly experienced that power, however limited, and it's still 100-fold more than any other "truths" I've read on.

That's exactly what happened to me. I'd been through years of searching for the truth, and as you say there was always something missing. It just didn't feel right. David's work really lifted the veil. What I like about David, is that he just points you in the right direction. It's really up to each individual to walk their own path of enlightenment.

[tinmenace]

isn't that that the key? you either feel it, or you don't. that's not to say david doesn't challenge people. he has been giving a consistent message since the beginning. he is not afraid to stand alone.



Exactly right!

[tinmenace]

Whatever you write. What Icke will do will show what person he is.


Yeah, listen, you're quite judgmental, aren't you? That's fine, that's your right, but your comments tell me a whole lot about who you REALLY are. You have quite a bit of spiritual growing to do before you're even capable of understanding my next comment.

Which is:

It's none of your business! If you can't give without expecting something in return, then you're not giving at all, are you? In fact, I think you're more of a control freak than you'd like to admit. These are issues you need to work through before turning your focus onto people like David. Start with yourself and work your way outwards

[edro9494]

i have, for a couple of months now, gotten into information that points to a much heavier role of Jewish Zionism in this grand conspiracy. This is one subject Icke does not do a good job on. Many people cannot understand the concept of having the brotherhood's own agents expose the plot. They do this to misdirect who is actually running the show. This is currently the case with 9/11. Most of the researchers, somehow, keep being Zionists and/or Jewish. Jews make up 2-3% of the population. Further, not all Jews are Zionists. So how is it that Jewish Zionists keep popping up in the 9/11 truth movement? Are jewish zionists somehow predisposed to 9/11 conspiracy theories?

Loose Change was done by 2 Jewish Zionists with money from the zionist Simon family that owns large chains of malls in Indiana. Wonder why they didnt mention Israel and the dancing Israelis in their movie?

Alex Jones never addresses the role of the Mossad in international terrorism. His middle name is Emerick, which is not of white or caucasian origin. He is also a member of the group "One World Under Zion." This guy is a snake in the grass. he gives you 90% fact but leaves out the most important 10%.

The "Illuminati" infiltrates world organizations and kills millions of innocents without a blink. Do you not think they have their own agents "exposing the luciferan world controllers" to do damage control for world zionism? The Alex Jones show is carried by 60 affiliates! Use your brain, guys. This man is bought and paid for.

Icke talks about owning and controlling the media. Who owns it? According to him its the "Illuminati." However, when you look at the presidents and ceo's they are Zionist Jews, primarily.

Need I mention who controls Hollywood? Zionists.

Icke talks about controlling the money and international finance. Who owns it, he asks? The "Illuminati," he replies. The Federal Reserve is entirely Jewish as is the Bank of England. The Rothschild's control some 90%(conservatively) of world finance. They are Jewish, specifically AshkeNAZI, financed and founded Israel, and even were responsible for they symbol know known as the Star of David which is actually taken from occult and satanic mysticism.

Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati group in 1776 was financed with Rothschild money

The allegedly most evil man in history according to officialdom was who? Hitler- the man who was partially Jewish, a part of the house of ROTHSCHILD. HOW DO THESE PEOPLE, ASHKENAZI JEWS, WHICH ARE 80% OF JEWS IN THE WORLD, CONSTITUTE A WORLD MINORITY OF 2% GLOBALLY KEEP POPPING UP INTO "CONSPIRACY RESEARCH"? WHY ARE THEY SO INTERESTED IN AUTHORING CONSPIRACY MATERIAL, DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO GAIN FROM DOING SO?

Why arent Alex Jones, Ruppert, Art Bell, Noory, Icke, Maxwell, Tsarion, and many others with considerable mainstream exposure talking about the criminality of the state of Israel? Mossad is responsible for world-wide terrorism. Their fucking motto translates to "BY DECEPTION, THOU SHALT DO WAR."

Why arent Jones, Icke, and Maxwell talking about the five dancing arabs arrested on 9/11 that turned out to be MOSSAD AGENTS????

It is known that if you want to know who is controlling the show, then you ask yourself "who can we not criticize?" The answer is Israel and world Jewry. Why does not a notion of anti-asian, anti-aryan, or anti-african have the same effect and/or prevalence as anti-semitism.

We all can agree that Icke is a smart man. Stupidity and ignorance are not valid excuses to rationalize why he doesn't delve into nor clear-up the Jewish issue. I think he knows about all that I have said, yet to "stay in the game" he only talks about this mysterious, shadowy, ambiguous Illuminati, Babylonian Brotherhood group as being the culprits. I cannot say I blame him so much, it is wise to assign the group responsible with a shadowy name in order to stay in the game so to speak in order to keep exposing the game plan.

If you have done your homework you will know that two former Jewish Zionists were originally responsible for talking about the Illuminati in America back in the 60s and 70s. They were Benjamin Freedman and Myron Fagan. Maxwell and Hilder both owe their careers to these two Jewish defectors who had a conscience and decided to warn America.

PS Freemasonry is derived from Judaic and Kabbalistic mysticism.

We should be pressuring our researchers as to why they are silent when it comes to the issue of Zionism!

We hear all about this Illuminati group but we never hear how it was founded and financed by Ahkenazi Rothschild money.

[sean]

Premasi, let's not get carried away here, as I know you're having fun: The money that gets dontated is very much needed because of the huge legal costs and threat on his current work. Donations are just that - Donations. You don't get them back. If we wins the court case? He is able to continue his work without the burden and financial strain. He will no longer need the donations. It's very simple.

[infinitely free]

Well ,
I get the impression that some people just need to read David's books again, & far more carefully, than before

Give it a try guys! ;)

[albie]

If Icke works for the establishment, then he's doing a pretty bad job at it. I mean, in practical terms, what would he be achieving?

When you listen to David, do you feel like accepting the New World Order? I certainly don't get that vibe.

All the evidence and masses of research point to the fact that David isn't working for the establishment. I really fail to see how the opposite conclusion is reached.

You assume they want a new world order. But isn't that what they've told you?

You really think we find out about their plans by accident?

Leaked documents? Haha i always feel suspicious of that statement.

[king]

I've thought about that. Paul McCartney, right?

Hey ummm, back in the day someone posted about how a certain Native American didn't want to talk to David Icke because he felt --from what I remember-- certain negative energies. Has anyone heard about this?

yes
Red Elk was that native indian from Hioka (?) tribe who also talked about reptilians.
When Red Elk was approached by someone who wanted to arrange meeting beetween Icke and Elk -- elk refused.
Red Elk said that David was 'one of them reptilians' and he REFUSED to meet Icke because of that.

I am just the massinger, so do not shoot the massinger

;-)

[cleft_asunder]

yes
Red Elk was that native indian from Hioka (?) tribe who also talked about reptilians.
When Red Elk was approached by someone who wanted to arrange meeting beetween Icke and Elk -- elk refused.
Red Elk said that David was 'one of them reptilians' and he REFUSED to meet Icke because of that.

I am just the massinger, so do not shoot the massinger

;-)

Thank you! That is MOST interesting, and not because it's definitely true, but rather because... what if? Now don't get me wrong, David Icke has free'd my ass and shown me what the world is actually like. He tells the truth, but as we all know, selling big lies is easy when you mix it with 90% truth. I'm just opening up possibilities.

I wonder if I can contact Red Elk. This really is most fascinating.

[cleft_asunder]

yes
Red Elk was that native indian from Hioka (?) tribe who also talked about reptilians.
When Red Elk was approached by someone who wanted to arrange meeting beetween Icke and Elk -- elk refused.
Red Elk said that David was 'one of them reptilians' and he REFUSED to meet Icke because of that.

I am just the massinger, so do not shoot the massinger

;-)


Red Elk on lizard people: http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8006120857467496974&q=Red+Elk

http://www.melshole.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/post.cgi?action=replyquote&forum=1&topic=4&postno=424

[Anders Lindman]

Red Elk said that David was 'one of them reptilians' and he REFUSED to meet Icke because of that.


I don't really believe there are reptile humanoids on earth, but if there are, then anyone could be a reptilian, or rather, we can all go into reptile brain thinking/survival-for-the-fittest mode. Reptile-brain traits are something that we all have. The reptile part of the brain is very old, very fast and very powerful, but it is not capable of the higher forms of thinking that requires the cortex of the brain. When people are threatened or feel themselves as having to struggle and dominate, then the reptile brain part is sort of in charge.

[spiritualone]

I don't really believe there are reptile humanoids on earth, but if there are, then anyone could be a reptilian, or rather, we can all go into reptile brain thinking/survival-for-the-fittest mode. Reptile-brain traits are something that we all have. The reptile part of the brain is very old, very fast and very powerful, but it is not capable of the higher forms of thinking that requires the cortex of the brain. When people are threatened or feel themselves as having to struggle and dominate, then the reptile brain part is sort of in charge.

Well said. This was what I was aluding to in this thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2796

[Anders Lindman]

Well said. This was what I was aluding to in this thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2796

Yes, I remember this quote:

Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castaneda the following:

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner!"

Don Juan is talking about the reptile part of the brain of course! Our own reptile brain becomes a predator when it's not integrated with the cortex of the brain.

[i_am]

anyone could be a reptilian, or rather, we can all go into reptile brain thinking/survival-for-the-fittest mode. Reptile-brain traits are something that we all have. The reptile part of the brain is very old, very fast and very powerful, but it is not capable of the higher forms of thinking that requires the cortex of the brain. When people are threatened or feel themselves as having to struggle and dominate, then the reptile brain part is sort of in charge.

That is one of the questions I put to David in the Podcast thread :p

[Anders Lindman]

That is one of the questions I put to David in the Podcast thread :p

Ok. Maybe David will select that question if he finds it interesting. The reptile brain seems to be very fast and powerful, and it is also the part of the brain that seems to be most directly connected with the rest of the body. If the connection between the reptile brain and the other parts of the brain is in balance, then could it lead to super health?

[cleft_asunder]

Yes, I remember this quote:

Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tells Carlos Castaneda the following:

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner!"

Don Juan is talking about the reptile part of the brain of course! Our own reptile brain becomes a predator when it's not integrated with the cortex of the brain.


I disagree. I have read the whole thing multiple times and he refers to Shaman seeing actual "demons." Don Juan, speaking through Carlos, says that they gave us a part of themselves, the Reptile brain, to control us. The "they" being the Reptilians.

[cleft_asunder]

That is one of the questions I put to David in the Podcast thread :p

And?

[cleft_asunder]

Ok. Maybe David will select that question if he finds it interesting. The reptile brain seems to be very fast and powerful, and it is also the part of the brain that seems to be most directly connected with the rest of the body. If the connection between the reptile brain and the other parts of the brain is in balance, then could it lead to super health?

Why are we talking about the reptile brain? This is old old news. Red Elk specifically said Icke was "one of them," and you guys somehow shrug this off? Am I the only one who finds this most interesting?

[Anders Lindman]

Why are we talking about the reptile brain? This is old old news. Red Elk specifically said Icke was "one of them," and you guys somehow shrug this off? Am I the only one who finds this most interesting?
My idea is that reptilians are more like an archetype in people's minds rather than actual reptilians, an archetype that is related to the reptile part in the human brain.

[Anders Lindman]

My idea is that reptilians are more like an archetype in people's minds rather than actual reptilians, an archetype that is related to the reptile part in the human brain.

Then what about people who have seen people shapeshifting into reptiles? One idea that just hit me was that some people, especially people in positions of power, may be very deeply connected with their reptile brain. And other people looking at them can actually see them shapeshift into reptilian form and back again, because the person looking is then connecting with the 'reptile trait' in the other person and the shapeshift happens within the mind of the beholder.

The human brain is a holographic projector connected to the entire universe, so it's difficult to tell if such a shapeshift happens in reality or only in the mind of the observer. Where does consciousness begin and end? Where is the exact separation between 'physical' reality and the reality experienced in consciousness?

[bigus_dickus]

Then what about people who have seen people shapeshifting into reptiles? One idea that just hit me was that some people, especially people in positions of power, may be very deeply connected with their reptile brain. And other people looking at them can actually see them shapeshift into reptilian form and back again, because the person looking is then connecting with the 'reptile trait' in the other person and the shapeshift happens within the mind of the beholder.

The human brain is a holographic projector connected to the entire universe, so it's difficult to tell if such a shapeshift happens in reality or only in the mind of the observer. Where does consciousness begin and end? Where is the exact separation between 'physical' reality and the reality experienced in consciousness?

good idea!

[cleft_asunder]

Then what about people who have seen people shapeshifting into reptiles? One idea that just hit me was that some people, especially people in positions of power, may be very deeply connected with their reptile brain. And other people looking at them can actually see them shapeshift into reptilian form and back again, because the person looking is then connecting with the 'reptile trait' in the other person and the shapeshift happens within the mind of the beholder.

The human brain is a holographic projector connected to the entire universe, so it's difficult to tell if such a shapeshift happens in reality or only in the mind of the observer. Where does consciousness begin and end? Where is the exact separation between 'physical' reality and the reality experienced in consciousness?

I think you're making a simple situation overly complex, and in itself is more of a stretch than literal reptilians. Why is another species who looks totally different than us and feeds off of us so difficult to comprehend when we have a plethora of species that are crazy in shape and a universe the size of which the mind cannot even comprehend? Why is shapeshifting difficult to accept when even "modern" science confirms it?

[king]

food for thought:

UFO contact Alex Collier interviewed by Rick Keefe talks about reptilian aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ubrA3X7rM&feature=PlayList&p=6391CD36BEE68CEA&index=0

[yinon]

Yes Icke is in the establshment.The guy is also in jail . That's why they let them operate

They are All ANTE-CHRIST to spread the illuminies counsciousness

If you walk around them and don't buy their shitt...you risk to have troubles.

FRAUD....Have you ever heard about it DAVID? There is many sharks around you.

[infinitely free]

Yes Icke is in the establshment.The guy is also in jail . That's why they let them operate

They are All ANTE-CHRIST to spread the illuminies counsciousness

If you walk around them and don't buy their shitt...you risk to have troubles.

FRAUD....Have you ever heard about it DAVID? There is many sharks around you.

Jees!

You are not that Adams bloke, that's trying to rip Icke off, are you?

[yinon]

Jeez.... Anyway, I know few things that I would keep for myself

Black and White.....If you condemn them, you serve the black side and support them. If you support them, you serve the white side and promote the New Age religion.

Financial advisors around them????? Are they honest or connected with the masonic family?

[Anders Lindman]

food for thought:

UFO contact Alex Collier interviewed by Rick Keefe talks about reptilian aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ubrA3X7rM&feature=PlayList&p=6391CD36BEE68CEA&index=0

Entertaining stuff! I don't believe what is said in the video(s), but there may be information given in the interview that has some kind of truth in it. If we think of time as not only being linear, but also being able to flow in all kinds of directions, then that would allow for very advanced scenarios.

[fccool]

Why would someone from the establishment ever want you to focus on love? Or your own personal power? I know it's the new thing to question the questioners but let's not go to the point where we erase everything and are left at the beginning again totally ignorant. If he is of the 'establishment' there must be opposing establishments one from the dark the other from the light.

I don't believe that Icke is knowingly engaging in Illuminati agenda. But you can't reason out him being alive as something strange. So far the only serious trouble he has faced are his books being published and sold by someone else. Were there any murder attempts (other than the creaming by ADL in Canada) ? Why is he still alive? Alex Johns explains that the reason that he is still alive is that the establishment does not want him to be a martir. But they could do it easily and silently. Canser is the most natural and horrible way to die... Then there are so many black mail strategies and ways to make you look absolutely stupid and insane like they did with so many. Now think about it. These two people have probably the most influential content that waking people up to what's going on. They certainly vary in presentation modes. AJ's documentaries look like 1984 flick on steroids with a bullhorn stuck in it's ass. Icke tours and lectures and presents the information. Notice that the two of them target two completely different ranges of population. A more "Republican American Redneck" would probably go to AJ for info. A more intellectual person would go to Icke. I've noticed that none of these really provide any concrete solutions. There's very few calls to action other than stop believing one thing and start believing another. AJ occasionally calls for political action and rants about constitution. Well, although one may thing that their job does not constitute providing solutions. I think without any purpose or solution... the information is useless. How many of you actually stopped doing something that enslaves you? Anything.... something other than not watching TV and discussing this stuff more.
You see just because you realize that propoganda exists and brainwashing exists does not make you somehow immuned to these.
I stopped registering my car two over years ago. My driving record is flawless and I pass by cops about three times a day. There are times that the cop is right behind me and I'm sure I will be pulled over, but I'm not. So why register? I'll just pay 80$ fine till next time. Registration over 3 years cost me about the same. If he stops me, I won't argue... I'll just say that I'm willing to pay the fine, that's it. Now, when my friends see my car plates they go into frenzy. You did not register for two years? You're going to ge your license suspended! You are getting away with breaking the law! I have a couple of cop friends and I would like to see what they have to say about that too next summer :). The point is... things like that show that you really believe in something. There are people who stopped paying taxes because they don't support war. They simply stopped using public schools, and many just took minimum wage jobs or contracted to be exsempt from taxes. I'm not saying that this is the answer, but true belief requires action. You can't tell me that you believe that murder is wrong while you are an executioner at the local prison.
Nevertheless, from what I see at least ... I see people who getting up in the morning and go to work no matter what. Their reasoning... you have to have money to feed your family and yourself. The same reasoning wrapped up in patriotic rethoric causes people to join the army , and the same reasoning causes people to lock other people in jail. All they really care about is the underline selfish cause. This is not any different from you and I. It does not matter how much information you are presented, you will still be concerned for #1 - yourself. And elites find that once you do it, you are predictable (John Nash theory) and that is what they manipulate. Your selfishness.
Nevertheless, Icke talks about the Infinite love alot. But in this world people do the most stupid things because of love. In fact that's the way many are being controlled. I hate the movie, but watch Star Wars III... it's a childishly written example of the concept I'm talking about.

So, while I don't believe that AJ and DI are a part of Illuminati, they somehow fit in their plan. I'm not exactly sure how, but I have my theories just like anyone else does.

[rocco marchegiano]

I heard Ickes second book "...and the truth shall set you free" was self published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed.

"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

[baron von lotsov]

David Icke talks about having thinking aligned with intuition. That's the opposite of the NWO agenda which is based on mechanical control. Intuition doesn't need any form of agenda. Intuition can USE agendas, but is at the same time free to use novelty and creativity. Domination, control over, ritualistic behaviours, agendas and so on are reptile brain traits, which David Icke has explained.


Sorry to disappoint but it is the emotional side of the brain, the part that is the most primitive that is where brainwashing occurs. Icke does not support the higher mental functions like abstract reasoning, indeed he says exactly the opposite to what could help someone figure out the bullshit, namely shut your eyes and imagine it does not exist. This is a NWO coping mechanism and the usual response of a small child with underdeveloped mental capacities. Make your own conclusions but we do generally agree Icke is intelligent and knowledgeable, so maybe he might like to explain this conundrum. I cannot think of any other conclusion than he is wilfully colluding with them on this.

[raffles]

I heard Ickes second book "...and the truth shall set you free" was self published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed.

And ??

Does that make it a bad thing ??

[albie]

Sorry to disappoint but it is the emotional side of the brain, the part that is the most primitive that is where brainwashing occurs. Icke does not support the higher mental functions like abstract reasoning, indeed he says exactly the opposite to what could help someone figure out the bullshit, namely shut your eyes and imagine it does not exist. This is a NWO coping mechanism and the usual response of a small child with underdeveloped mental capacities. Make your own conclusions but we do generally agree Icke is intelligent and knowledgeable, so maybe he might like to explain this conundrum. I cannot think of any other conclusion than he is wilfully colluding with them on this.


You mean he uses gut instinct when he's "researching". Which is basically the most biased and unsound form of research.

[curtsibling]

Does Icke work for the establishment?

We all are a part of the establishment. But not all willingly.

We all have to buy products, use water, use resources...

They sell them. We buy them. Fact of life.

The important part is that you are aware.
The important duty is to impart that awareness to the drones.

Wake them up, start messing up the mechanism.

...

[albie]

But does Icke present a ridiculous face for the fight against sinister powers?

Does he merely facilitate an easier attack on conspiracy theorists?

Is he simply a white haired ex goalie with aching limbs and a lumpy face?

Or is he the only one really battling against the forces of pure, ichor covered eviiiiil?

[synergy777]

he is a pioneer, but no one is without flaws in themselves or their work. i respect him greatly, he stood up when no else did, he took the ridicule/persecution from the masses, then again he who laughs last, laughs loudest. david icke, although marginalised, ridiculed, has done a great job for mankind.

[baron von lotsov]

You mean he uses gut instinct when he's "researching". Which is basically the most biased and unsound form of research.

I'm not suggesting that it is an either/or thing. So many people fall for that one. No, it is the case that the New Agers actively try and make people feel guilty and 'not with it' for using a logical argument. Intuition is invaluable as well, so either extreme is bad. The intuitive brain is much faster and it could save your life if something pulled out in front of your car. It is also more of an analogue summing process whereas logic is binary yes/no answers.

If you want to become impervious to bullshit you must train your higher mental functions. Video games according to the system are training for the mind but they train the intuitive, primitive parts of the mind. Mathematics is purely using the higher abstract reasoning centres of the brain located in the frontal lobe. If you find maths difficult it is because this part of the mind is under developed and nearly everyone born after about 1930 has had this part of their education dumbed down. If you are about 20 now or younger you are the worst affected and you need to do your own education. Either that or you could drop out and smoke a lot of drugs and pretend you know everything!

[synergy777]

both hemipsheres should be treated equally, an art/science balance. good view on the analogue/binary, i like that. if you look at leonardo di vinci, he treated both the same, and they influenced all areas of his work, its a synergistic effect.

Leonardo da Vinci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he worked for cesare borgia, which they modeled the new rebranded christ on, renaissance/rebirth.

[mariag]

My fear is that the illies will make a double of him and bump off the real David :(

s
Well dear seamus , don´t be afraid the illies feeds on fear , and i think David can manage to stay whole .

[slave]

Cospiracy theory is in the illusion and ikce make his job to catch people into illusion of cospiracy. he is a reptoid. In metaphorical sense. I ready to leave!

[klinker]

We all are a part of the establishment. But not all willingly.

We all have to buy products, use water, use resources...

They sell them. We buy them. Fact of life.

The important part is that you are aware.
The important duty is to impart that awareness to the drones.

Wake them up, start messing up the mechanism.

...

Exactamundo. The answer to the threads question is yes but not within the context that it was asked in.

[emerald]

You chose well ur nick, "slave". By saying those, u proved u truly are one. Bulbs for mind illumination cant be bought from every store, unfortunately. Leave and keep on leaving, if u see what I mean.

[slave]

You chose well ur nick, "slave". By saying those, u proved u truly are one. Bulbs for mind illumination cant be bought from every store, unfortunately. Leave and keep on leaving, if u see what I mean.

you can't make opinion of me based on my nick "slave" son of a bitch

only a heavy conditionated mind can do this fucking man

[montag]

Hey guy's can we please leave the personal insults out of our replies..

montag

[kooo]

Does Icke work for the establishment? Absolutely, it's called controlled opposition.

[william_mac]

Conspiracy theory is becoming mainstream now because of people like David Icke, and that is the whole point.

As far as now fixing the problem, don't leave it up to Icke, and people like him, take action and do it yourself.

David Icke has done his job, he spoke about it. He is a speaker, that is his call to action. Besides that, the man was humiliated, and he kept going on, and was humiliated some more. He's accomplished great things in the face of persicution, and has come out the other side laughing at the doubters, and that is commendable.

Besides, for one good documentary, there are a billion other naysayers and mainstream people that disagree completely with Icke. This is one good documentary, think about it, there are no others. Let the man have a little credit finally, yeesh.



-William

[mentalogirl]

I think that the majority of people in this country(and abroad) consider David Icke to be crazy,mostly because of the reptilian argument.

I was browsing at Waterstone's in London's Oxford Street the other day,leafing thru DI's books,when I overheard the sales staff talking about him.They were referring to him as 'mentally ill' and as someone who should be 'put away'.
To my shame I distanced myself from that shelf because I felt a surge of fear that these people would think I was also in need of 'help' just for being interested and curious.
I eventually bought the book("infinite Love..").
Imagine a similar scenario and replace David Icke and books with something else,and you have the same conclusion:
This is what fear does to us,if we allow it to stay.

[infinitely free]

Glad you bought "infinite Love..", mentalogirl! Have a good read, & see what you think, yourself

[trumansho]

Bravo! Yes, David always encourages people do further research and prove it to THEMSELVES. He's right, because if we just believe everything we're told without questioning it and researching it for ourselves, then we're never really escaping the herd mentality and indoctrination.

I've never ever felt uneasy with anything David has said. It all felt right to me, even in the beginning when I'd never considered that reptilian bloodlines ruled the world. As incredible as that seemed, I never doubted him. I did, however, do further research, and a year later I found that he been sincere and truthful. I think when I first read about reptilian humanoids was from icke. And I did research and look at certain things and it opened up my eyes and I was like this dude can be telling the truth. No one else mentions the reps like Icke does. But I studied Jordon maxwell and Michael Tsarion stuff as well. I think if anybody is an agent for the reps/illuminati it's Tsarion!

[trumansho]

Anybody heard of Malachi z york? He claims he's from planet nibiru and he talks about the reptiles and all the other conspiracies,but he is now in prison for child molestation.

[deviadah]

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?
Eh, well Conspiracy still eqauls Nutty and Weird. It is by far NOT mainstream. In fact what has happened with the DaVinci Code and similar things is to widen the gap. Now when you raise a point people can just say; oh yeah, I read that book too - loved the film!

It takes the edge of it.

If Icke is working for the Illuminati? Doubt it... if he did he is not doing a very good job.

Why has nothing changed? Look, Buddha said women were equal to men over 2500 years ago... and it is still not equal. The human race is a bunch of slow idiots. Nothing will change before we are physically chained with a gun in our face.

That is why a part of me wants the NWO to become a reality. People won't revolt before they can see it in front of them!

Sadly!

[razed1]

this thread is spreading baseless lie and theres is no evidence provided and thus SHOUDL BE LOCKED IMMEDIATELY!!!


sig heil!

[deviadah]

sig heil!
:(

[28th kingdom]

this thread is spreading baseless lie and theres is no evidence provided and thus SHOUDL BE LOCKED IMMEDIATELY!!!


sig heil!

Should we start spreading baseless rumors about you? I can if you want... let's try to ruin yer life... how about it? Whatta say? It's free speech, bitch!

[razed1]

Should we start spreading baseless rumors about you? I can if you want... let's try to ruin yer life... how about it? Whatta say? It's free speech, bitch!

you fail to see the irony of my post

regardless as it is clear i'm dealing with an imbecile

maybe you should redirect you post towards the mods

[tinmenace]

Should we start spreading baseless rumors about you? I can if you want... let's try to ruin yer life... how about it? Whatta say? It's free speech, bitch!



you fail to see the irony of my post

regardless as it is clear i'm dealing with an imbecile

maybe you should redirect you post towards the mods

:eek::rolleyes:

[chris]

I really find it annoying when people try to smear others with the agent card. This lets down free research and discredits most conspiracy researchers. Most cointel pro agents are simply there to try to make conspiracy theorists out of us and have us infight, this is why I don't post on boards like conspiracy central or a lot of other boards.

Another thing researchers do is that they are jealous of others success and try to use the little persuasion they yield to attack the more successful researchers by calling them agents. This is disinfo of the worst kind and is very harmful.

[tinmenace]

I really find it annoying when people try to smear others with the agent card. This lets down free research and discredits most conspiracy researchers. Most cointel pro agents are simply there to try to make conspiracy theorists out of us and have us infight, this is why I don't post on boards like conspiracy central or a lot of other boards.

Another thing researchers do is that they are jealous of others success and try to use the little persuasion they yield to attack the more successful researchers by calling them agents. This is disinfo of the worst kind and is very harmful.

Are you suggesting that agents DON'T exist? :confused:

[jinjo5]

...we are all the establishment....what does that word mean exactly?
what is the establishment?...it seems to me its one of those words thats safe to use,cos its meaning could be anything,its an amorphous word and doesnt pin anything down.

[chris]

Are you suggesting that agents DON'T exist? :confused:

By re-reading my post will tell you that I say they do exist. I said that most of them focus on smearing. We need discernment, something which Icke needs as well. But we sound like a bunch of easily mislead conspiracy theorists when people just like to adhere to a conspiracy theory because it sounds clever or because it's from a usually good source.

[tinmenace]

I really find it annoying when people try to smear others with the agent card.


Well, if it walks like a duck....

[chris]

Well, if it walks like a duck....

It's much more complicated than that. If say for instance, they've based a lot of their work previously on disinfo so they don't want to discredit themselves by correcting their disinfo, this makes them become slightly of a shill but they feel they need to do it for future success. Ask any politician, to retract something is suicide. You are still not an agent but others might see you as one. In conspiracy circles, it is almost black and white, no real discernment of the inbetweens.

[jinjo5]

It's much more complicated than that. If say for instance, they've based a lot of their work previously on disinfo so they don't want to discredit themselves by correcting their disinfo, this makes them become slightly of a shill but they feel they need to do it for future success. Ask any politician, to retract something is suicide. You are still not an agent but others might see you as one. In conspiracy circles, it is almost black and white, no real discernment of the inbetweens.
well if it walks like a duck...............that is all you will get from tin,meaningless,non combative comments...she has to keep up her posts per day or her life as no meaning.:D;)

[tinmenace]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/snicker.gif

:D;)

[jinjo5]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/snicker.gif

:D;)

sweet smile.............sure someone,somewhere will see some conspiracy in that.;)
....anyway tin,i think youre gorgeous.

[tinmenace]

sweet smile.............sure someone,somewhere will see some conspiracy in that.;)


http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/gasp.jpg

;)

[cheeb]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/gasp.jpg

;)





http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4592/dontpanicwebvf2.gif

;)

[anoninnyc]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. you really think icke is that powerful?

[irak]

Does David work for the establishment?

..LOL!

..do you work for the establishment? :)

[woghd]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?

Nice first Post...jeeez.

Archangel

[tinmenace]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?



Yeah, um, which of David's books have you read?

[seamus]

It occurred to me this evening as I watched "The Punisher" on TV that Icke works for the establishment and that his whole repertoire of material is designed to influence us into accepting a new world order.

The point at which one of the characters says "it doesn't have to be this way" as he pulverises his victim into submission. It reminds me so much of the Icke script where he says exactly the same thing.

If he was a serious contender in the battle for world domination he would have (mainstream) media support - which he does. The Christmas 2006 documentary painted a sympathetic picture of Icke, the working class here, here to speak out against the establishment and save the day.

If this is the case, why has nothing changed? Why has the wealth gap increased in the last 10 years? Why have so many lost their lives and why is "conspiracy theory" now mainstream?How deliciously strange... in catching up with old threads I come across this, written only 2 months after a friend suggested to me that icke may have been replaced by a double already, and that he (this double) is potentially the evil avatar known in the Bible as the Beast. The above scenario makes it a bit more plausible, non?

I myself think he's been compromised. I'm not sure about the other stuff.

Peace,
s