What an absolutely SHITTY forum I have found.

[cleft_asunder]

I'm talking about Illusions forum. Seems all the kids "migrated" over there after the unofficial Icke forum closed down, hopefully forever. I thought I would take a peek to see what intelligent postings there are for me to soak up, but to my "surprise" it seems the intelligence level is now officially rated at middle school level. And I do mean U.S. middle school, which is the equivelant of say... 3rd or 4th grade Euro, minus the discipline.

So I popped in to the general forum which gives you a general idea of what level everyone is on, and before I was overwhelmed and bombarded with stupidity --and anime avatars-- I decided to click on a post. A guy named PlanetFrog made a video and posted it on YouTube, so I gave it a go. Although well done, it's flat out anti-human. And if you ask me, it's a tired and dead theory which explains almost nothing. It creator confuses the New Age with real truth. The New Age is cleverly manufactured by the Illuminati to pose as truth and is in fact mixed with MANY truths, but it's another religion in the end. It's about burning insence and sending love rays to Ashtar. Seekers of truth realise the desception. But it's not so much the video that I want to talk about, it's the comments about the video.

Notice how everyone applaudes the video without any disagreement at all. Even though everyone knows David Icke's name on that forum, not a single person disagrees with the message of the video. Not a single person says, "Great vid, but I think you're wrong." And this is because not a single person on that forum is a truth seeker, thus they do not value truth. And not a single person there is mentally independent, rather their minds are clay that is easly molded by anyone who stands out just a little bit, such as those who have a post count higher than 10K and who make videos and post them on YouTube. They think they're free and open minded, but they can't even see the obvious fact that they don't even know what they believe in. They need someone else deciding for them. That is not to say that you shouldn't agree with anyone. What I'm saying is that they are unable to do critical thinking and research, therefore how can they possibly agree with the creator of the video? They agree simply because they don't know any better. They agree out of ignorance. One day they agree with Icke, the next day they are loosely Atheists. Whichever way the wind blows.

Illusions and the Unofficial Icke forum are history. They have been bombarded by the Illuminati, and now all that's left are pseudo truth seekers and pseudo conspiracy theorists who are there because it's a scene. It's a lifestyle and "place to chill," and not a place to find answers or to ask questions. The Unofficial Icke forum was userped by payed agents and organic portals, and the people who still participate are simply the remnants. You see, when the Illuminati take control of something, they don't destroy it. They are smart enough to try and completely convert it so that it plays to it's own end. In this case, the forums no longer have any truth seekers in them and they have been rendered harmless to the agenda. In fact, beneficial.

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=1642

[bohemian_grover]

Well, hopefully they'll all get testicular cancer by week's end.

[tinmenace]

Cleft, I totally know what you mean. Almost as if it's a cool place to hang because David Icke is so controversial...it's like so um 'against the establishment'...like so um anarchist and stuff...

They completely miss the point, and of course it's not much help when you have agents of disruption mingling amongst them...leading them by their noses.

The funniest thing is that these agents of disinformation and disruption think they're not noticeable, and that they're really slick with their agendas, but I think they stick out like sore thumbs. They are soooo obvious.

[gordonfreeman]

No wonder.....

[sean]

Hi guys,

I'm not interested in starting a Forum war. If you disagree with the video, then by all means critique, but don't let this thread deteriorate into an "us" and "them" war of words.

Thanks.

[john white]

Dellusions about Illusions again. By all means enjoy them: as illusions members enjoy their site

So I'm an "agent of the Illuminati"? (as Illusions admin)

Hah! Talk about lost in space

(though tinmenace might want to check he is keeping his brain under his hat)

This place is great btw, big love to sean

[sean]

I'm a Nazi and John is an agent of the illuminati, and Icke is apparently working for the establishment. Lots of stuff to take in tonight.

Thanks john

[cleft_asunder]

Dellusions about Illusions again. By all means enjoy them: as illusions members enjoy their site

So I'm an "agent of the Illuminati"? (as Illusions admin)

Hah! Talk about lost in space

(though tinmenace might want to check he is keeping his brain under his hat)

This place is great btw, big love to sean

You've got your views, I've got mine. But hey, whatever. And I never said you were an agent of the Illuminati. KOTM probably, and others. It's about certain individuals working through the freedom of speech policy. It's very easy to usurp a forum when freedom of speech isn't regulated. If KOTM was on my forum, I would have banned him long ago. He is an extreme. If he's on a forum, then the forum revolves around him.

[Anders Lindman]

Dellusions about Illusions again. By all means enjoy them: as illusions members enjoy their site

So I'm an "agent of the Illuminati"? (as Illusions admin)

Hah! Talk about lost in space

(though tinmenace might want to check he is keeping his brain under his hat)

This place is great btw, big love to sean

The power elite probably uses mainstream media as a tool for manipulation, and only uses Internet forums to gather information, UNLESS some forum for some reason really becomes disturbing for the elite, and then they will take active action.

[cleft_asunder]

The power elite probably uses mainstream media as a tool for manipulation, and only uses Internet forums to gather information, UNLESS some forum for some reason really becomes disturbing for the elite, and then they will take active action.

And if Icke is right, then the forums are probably infiltrated. Just look at what they do at peace rallies. They hire thugs to dress up as peace protesters, and tell them to start breaking stuff.

[Anders Lindman]

And if Icke is right, then the forums are probably infiltrated. Just look at what they do at peace rallies. They hire thugs to dress up as peace protesters, and tell them to start breaking stuff.

I was thinking that the power elite didn't have to infiltrate forums since they have the mainstream media as a top-down form of control and manipulation. On a second thought, maybe they do infiltrate forums. One reason could be that the Internet is fast becoming more and more powerful as a media machine while traditional mainstream media has begun to lose its total media dominance.

[cleft_asunder]

I was thinking that the power elite didn't have to infiltrate forums since they have the mainstream media as a top-down form of control and manipulation. On a second thought, maybe they do infiltrate forums. One reason could be that the Internet is fast becoming more and more powerful as a media machine while traditional mainstream media has begun to lose its total media dominance.

To me it's obvious they would seek to control forums, mainly the significant ones.

[cowboy]

Hey...I've never seen that forum before, However, after skimming through it what's the problem? It seems like they are more awake than the majority of the global population.

[earthseed]

Cleft, you're not wrong so many agents so little time. There isn't going to be a forum or a movement that isn't going to be swimming with them. That shouldn't however stop us from seeking our own personal truth. Many times arguing with a shill let's you know that what you were seeing probably is real.

;)

[Anders Lindman]

To me it's obvious they would seek to control forums, mainly the significant ones.

Maybe they target 'conspiracy' forums especially. This means that there could be agents on this forum! :eek:

However, I feel relatively safe since I only fight the unawakened part of the power pyramid in order to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. :D

[iro_]

and the funniest thing of all about idiot boys original post on this thread is that the video he references is actually a crude anti new age joke 'visualise you are immersed in brown light - you now smell of shit' hardly any doubt its a new age promo by that point is there for anyone who watched it... but you have to watch it and embrace the concept of irony which takes a little maturity to grasp...

shows cleft arsehole's intelligence level and really ought to make you wonder what he is doing here spreading nonsense

or should i say DISINFO
or ILUMINATI SHILL
or TEMORAL COAJUTOR

etc etc etc... blah blah.. usual conspiratainment junk posting...

meanwhile the rest of us will just go on enjoying the places we like to spend a little bit of our online time on - if its here then great, if its at illusions then great, if its on both or more - even better. Information is best when you have a plethora

This forum has become a very moderate and stable place now and all credit to the team here for weathering the storm early on (which i admit i played a small part in, but to no malice). Illusions far from cleft arsehole's longings is doing just fine and its members are enjoying their free speech there. Long live both forums - as they both share something in common - a good team working behind them and a dedicated core of positive members who want to share experiences

funny how the icke lovers got their paradise and some still find it needworthy to get at those who have moved on in their outlook... its just another prison mindset in that sense - why do you decry people who have a different outlook that you cleft arsehole? Happiness is diversity, and i personally think icke is going nowhere lately, but im not on here telling people this forum is made up disinfo piss drinking lizards... and all the talk of sean being a nazi - well he isnt, just a good guy doing his best, the real nazi coming out of this situation is you clefty... telling us how you would ban a member if you had the power just cos you don't like him..... sad sad sad little man you are.

as icke would say 'PAAAAATHETIC'

[edelweiss pirate]

Wow Iro... this discussion is just like being on the old forum....

Keep it up and we might manage to get this one closed down too...

[limelady]

I feel at this point that I must reiterate what Sean said in his earlier post.

Lets PLEASE not turn this into a forums war. Its just not worth it - we're all on the same team. So guys if you feel the need to keep insulting each other, use PM's, MSN or whatever, but please don't do it on this forum.

Thankyou

[neutron flux]

So I popped in to the general forum which gives you a general idea of what level everyone is on, and before I was overwhelmed and bombarded with stupidity --and anime avatars-- I decided to click on a post. A guy named PlanetFrog made a video and posted it on YouTube, so I gave it a go. Although well done, it's flat out anti-human. And if you ask me, it's a tired and dead theory which explains almost nothing. It creator confuses the New Age with real truth. The New Age is cleverly manufactured by the Illuminati to pose as truth and is in fact mixed with MANY truths, but it's another religion in the end. It's about burning insence and sending love rays to Ashtar. Seekers of truth realise the desception. But it's not so much the video that I want to talk about, it's the comments about the video.


I thought the video was hilarious and really showed the entropy of the "love and light" new-age crowd that constitute one of the hallmarks of cointelpro. A sense of humour is needed with such a video - maybe you should lighten up sometime. ;)

Notice how everyone applaudes the video without any disagreement at all. Even though everyone knows David Icke's name on that forum, not a single person disagrees with the message of the video.

Why should they disagree with some creative humour? What has DI got to do with the video?

Notice how everyone applaudes the video without any disagreement at all. Even though everyone knows David Icke's name on that forum, not a single person disagrees with the message of the video. Not a single person says, "Great vid, but I think you're wrong." And this is because not a single person on that forum is a truth seeker, thus they do not value truth. And not a single person there is mentally independent, rather their minds are clay that is easly molded by anyone who stands out just a little bit, such as those who have a post count higher than 10K and who make videos and post them on YouTube. They think they're free and open minded, but they can't even see the obvious fact that they don't even know what they believe in. They need someone else deciding for them. That is not to say that you shouldn't agree with anyone. What I'm saying is that they are unable to do critical thinking and research, therefore how can they possibly agree with the creator of the video? They agree simply because they don't know any better. They agree out of ignorance. One day they agree with Icke, the next day they are loosely Atheists. Whichever way the wind blows.


I applaud Planetfrog for being making a video that made me laugh. I love to laugh - you should try it sometime. Why should they disagree with it? It's hardly a serious peice of work that we should analyze and critically ponder over.
Why do care what other people think on another forum?

Illusions and the Unofficial Icke forum are history. They have been bombarded by the Illuminati, and now all that's left are pseudo truth seekers and pseudo conspiracy theorists who are there because it's a scene. It's a lifestyle and "place to chill," and not a place to find answers or to ask questions. The Unofficial Icke forum was userped by payed agents and organic portals, and the people who still participate are simply the remnants. You see, when the Illuminati take control of something, they don't destroy it. They are smart enough to try and completely convert it so that it plays to it's own end. In this case, the forums no longer have any truth seekers in them and they have been rendered harmless to the agenda. In fact, beneficial.


ANY forum (or movement for that matter) that discusses such wordly issues will be monitored and "infiltrated", and if it's not then it should give note to pause and reflect. ;)

[ho1ogram]

G'day, I've just come back from a little look around Illusions, checked out a few threads, and came away with a couple of good links... can't see any problem with the place.

Cleft, I found it strange that you would post here about a thread over there. I was wondering, have you posted your response to the video and people's reactions to it in the said thread? I didn't see it if you have.

It seems like that would make a lot more sense than starting a thread here to complain about them. You say they aren't truth seekers but merely hanging out in their comfort zone. May I remind you of something?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2416
This is a thread you started a week ago called "I don't want to spread the truth". In it you sound as though you don't want to break out of your comfort zone because..
I don't know, it's a complicated thing. On one hand I want to share this most amazing knowledge, but on the other I don't feel like most deserve it. To take it deeper, only those who already know are the ones who are going to be convinced. If you weren't able to figure it out by yourself, I'm not going to hold your hand. Many of these people aren't even curious enough to think about what's really happening on this planet, because they have no hunger for truth. Their lives are no different than animals. When they are hungry, they eat. When they are thirsty, they drink. When they are tired, they sleep. And they are content . Nothing drives me more nuts than someone who is content with the crumbs the masters have given him. If I had a choice, I would prefer that they not be given the truth. They don't deserve it.


"They don't deserve it" sounds like a cop out so that you can wallow in your comfort zone... it sounds as though you have reached a point and you feel you can go no further.. dude, the biggest conspiracy is the one we play on ourselves. If you feel you are better than others and they don't deserve the oh so valuable information that you possess, well then you appear arrogant... man, the illusion of seperation IS the conspiracy.

Argue some points but don't bitch cos people aren't as enlightened as you think you are.

I get the feeling you have reached a point in your truth seeking and don't know what to do next... or iro is right and you are a disinformer... but I give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe your spirit is showing you it wants some attention, the rational mind can only take us so far before it takes over and we fall into it's traps.

"There is no bondage except for the idea of a seperate 'me' or 'mine'."

"Spirit is invisible. It is soundless. It is without texture, without taste, without smell. It is dimensionless, spaceless, and timeless."

"Spirit is the real me."

Deepak Chopra.

[a fine naked fellow]

Its not Us and Them, its we. plethora. ….plethora, people.

[iro_]

I feel at this point that I must reiterate what Sean said in his earlier post.

Lets PLEASE not turn this into a forums war. Its just not worth it - we're all on the same team. So guys if you feel the need to keep insulting each other, use PM's, MSN or whatever, but please don't do it on this forum.

Thankyou
my humble apologies - i was clearing up a silly accusation about 1) illusions and 2) frog's video in my own way. if im too blunt for this forum ill tone my use of the word 'arseh*le' down in the future

:-)

[tonto o_reilly]

my humble apologies - i was clearing up a silly accusation about 1) illusions and 2) frog's video in my own way. if im too blunt for this forum ill tone my use of the word 'arseh*le' down in the future

:-)

We just would prefer if you did not insult other posters in that manner here

Thanks
TO

[limelady]

my humble apologies - i was clearing up a silly accusation about 1) illusions and 2) frog's video in my own way. if im too blunt for this forum ill tone my use of the word 'arseh*le' down in the future

:-)


Thanks iro.....we appreciate your response.

Lets all just be friends :D

[Mo0n5tar]

I think theForums closure is a totally negative thing, nothing positive can come out of it, not only is the massive amount of people registered there now dispersed throughout cyberspace, but those who were involved there are now left with a choice between the official Icke forum and giving Anti Christian anti God propoganda more time than it's worth @illusions.

I have my suspiscions the illusions clique were behind the closure of TheForum, in order to bolster their own influence in the virtual conspiracy forum world.

Cleft i don't know if you are already a member but check out the Unhived mind, they have serious articles their and the way certain stooges like the illusions clique and American Woman, AKA Wonder WOmen attempt to tarnish 2tuffs name indicates to me they are somewhat worried about the competition there.

Peace

[emma royds]

Maybe the moderators on this forum are beng too tolerant. If you don't put your foot down now, you'll be inviting chaos, these people have no intention of keeping the peace and being friendly and having manners, they are just interested in creating havoc. Why they cannot just leave this forum alone and concentrate on their own is beyond me. Paid agents if you ask me.

[Mo0n5tar]

not to mention the only person who can read the posts @theforum is the AWOL moderator with suspected ties to intelligence agencies, just who is scanning through the plethora of theories and published articles produced there, just who has access to the registration database and just what is being done to rectify the problem and reopen it so i can get some of my postings back?

[Mo0n5tar]

Maybe the moderators on this forum are beng too tolerant. If you don't put your foot down now, you'll be inviting chaos, these people have no intention of keeping the peace and being friendly and having manners, they are just interested in creating havoc. Why they cannot just leave this forum alone and concentrate on their own is beyond me. Paid agents if you ask me.

Who?

The illusions clique?

If so i am in total 100% agreement with you:cool:

[emma royds]

I have my suspiscions the illusions clique were behind the closure of TheForum, in order to bolster their own influence in the virtual conspiracy forum world.
Peace

Hi, Micky I heard a lot about that other forum, and I think your right, they certainly seem to be trying to damage this forum. Maybe it is their intention to close this down as well. Anyone who does not believe in the possibilty of agents working to close these type of forums down, needs to wake up.

[emma royds]

Who?

The illusions clique?

If so i am in total 100% agreement with you:cool:

Yes

[limelady]

There's no need whatsoever to have any ill-feeling between the forums.

We've had no problems with the illusions people coming here, in fact some of them are semi-regular posters who contribute some great suff, so from what I can gather they're a good bunch, therefore they're most welcome.

[Mo0n5tar]

Well i am sure the mods here will have it covered.

[sean]

We should be careful about who we decide is an illuminati disinfo agent. Can people stop throwing out accusations to other people or forums, if they have absolutely nothing to go on. It's just provocative.

Of course, if anyone has real information to share, we're all ears.

Keep on topic please.

[emma royds]

Well i am sure the mods here will have it covered.

Lets hope so.

[iro_]

well as mickyjay said - there is plenty of information of the mad nut job type on the unhived mind that really accuses illusions of bringing down the forum to push our own profile up and get people onto our forum

if you believe that then by all means good on you - your mind is an incredible place and i'd love to live in your exciting worlds where you have to invent that kind of drama to fill empty voids of whatever...

the forum and illusions are 2 different forums - people seem to be interchanging them here - all the management of illusions were core posters at 'the forum' and illusions was set up to be more like what the founder LBC and the rest of the team wanted in a forum - i.e. one with a modicum of common sense and a respectful moderation policy. Therefore to say we brought down the forum to bring the population to illusions is silly as we clearly dont want that kind of traffic there - we were happy with the forum in its context , it was a unique place and it was a funny read.. though not much else at the end...

'My forum is better than yours' is something you will never see on illusions of from any of our team, it is frankly pathetic and poor. the more forums there are the better, people have more choice and then thats a good thing for all. This forum inevitably got stick from the old icke forum at the start.. but not any more.. time for everyone to move on, stop being childish and post where you like to post and stop seeking out conspiratainment drama nonsense

[thirdwave]

This was my forum of choice and I become mod as well....

I am not bothered about other forums.... we are all free to chat where we like I like it here as I feel you can argue of chat with your views... rather than all that ganging up ..sheep like mentality you got on the old forum.... where when people had nothing to say but be complete shills and the place was a mess.....

I have not really chat on illusions ..not because I have anything against it.. I just find this place keeps me busy and there is enough to chat about here....

how ever it does amuse me when people keep having to bring "David Icke lovers" up.... I research many peoples work and I also have my own views on things as does everyone here... but because we don't choose to have ego driven views on him and try hard to bring out as many negatives on him as we can... it does not mean we are Icke followers or so on..... if you look at this forum you will find a huge selection of rooms and if you look at the threads there is a much bigger picture than just discussions on David Icke.... David Icke has just simply provided this space because its the kind of stuff he likes to promote.

I just don't get this "icke followers" fallacy that someone out there has cooked up... If you wanted to you could call anyone a follower of something.... if there are people on another forum who chat there and there only because its not so Icke orientated, then you could call them followers of that forum.... it can go on and on.... very silly indeed....the simple fact is you are a follower of what you believe in and that has nothing to do with anyone else....

[alice34]

ROFL!!!

Pardon my slow response on picking up on this thread but I've just caught up on it and have found it highly amusing.

Cleft, as per Iros comments, I think you are possibly missing the point of the video - please go back and watch it if you will please

- here's a link for those who've missed it:

~~~ Airbrushed Dolphins ~~~ - YouTube

Further to that, I dont suppose that it was you who left me the rather obtuse comment below the video?

burslemboy (2 days ago)
Is this supposed to be funny?

Your New Age masterplan is going to blow up in your f*ckin faces and the stamping boots of the people will be bashing you back into the dirt, where you belong. You f*cking Scums


If it wasnt this person I think also missed the point.

Look, finally, far be it for me to want to enter this forum in a state of contraversy, may I also just refer dear Mr Cleft Asunder to the disclaimer I stuck at the end of the video saying:

video produced & edited by planetfrog

Ideas and views expressed in this video are not necessarily reflective of the opinions of the producer or author.

Peace out planet earth ;)

x (more) (less)

The words and narration are not a product of my own work you see, but of the contraversial and fraudulent guru whos name is Putressence, - an individual of particularly dubious repute, who's books include "Molesting the Inner CHild", "Start Smoking Now", and several soft porn novels.

http://a688.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01127/78/66/1127626687_m.jpg
Putressence
inventer of Prana Cigarrettes(TM)


His website www.myspace.com/putressence will make this ABUNDANTLY clear.

Anyway,

now that I've cleared my name ( not that it needed it) - Cleft, thanks for the amusement!, Putressence ( or "His Grace" as he likes to be called ) is available in UK for private consultations, just give me a nudge and I'll get you a free session with him ;) . His "Auric Bleaching" is particularly good i hear.

:) :)

[Mo0n5tar]

well as mickyjay said - there is plenty of information of the mad nut job type on the unhived mind that really accuses illusions of bringing down the forum to push our own profile up and get people onto our forum

if you believe that then by all means good on you - your mind is an incredible place and i'd love to live in your exciting worlds where you have to invent that kind of drama to fill empty voids of whatever...

the forum and illusions are 2 different forums - people seem to be interchanging them here - all the management of illusions were core posters at 'the forum' and illusions was set up to be more like what the founder LBC and the rest of the team wanted in a forum - i.e. one with a modicum of common sense and a respectful moderation policy. Therefore to say we brought down the forum to bring the population to illusions is silly as we clearly dont want that kind of traffic there - we were happy with the forum in its context , it was a unique place and it was a funny read.. though not much else at the end...

'My forum is better than yours' is something you will never see on illusions of from any of our team, it is frankly pathetic and poor. the more forums there are the better, people have more choice and then thats a good thing for all. This forum inevitably got stick from the old icke forum at the start.. but not any more.. time for everyone to move on, stop being childish and post where you like to post and stop seeking out conspiratainment drama nonsense

I wrote:

the Unhived mind, they have serious articles their and the way certain stooges like the illusions clique and American Woman, AKA Wonder WOmen attempt to tarnish 2tuffs name indicates to me they are somewhat worried about the competition there.

There you go again Iro calling people whack jobs and questioning peoples mental health, you're favoured method of attack, as has become evident after the amount of times you have tried it on me.

all the management of illusions were core posters at 'the forum'

Personally i don't see the truth in that, LBC left the forum on numerous occasions and posted little more than soft core porn while around, while yourself and John white were hardly regular posters and usually more concerned with accusing Ying TOng Diddle Dude of being a hacker and spam artist, and mocking other posters.

[iro_]

no you did say that you suspect illusions of closing the forum on your last post, and all i added was that that sentiment is visible over on 2tuffs forum too

my post was also not addressed to you, it was a general statement - this is not the forum for personal slanging matches, so lay off it eh

you love 2tuff like an adopted father - thats fine. go and worship him at your leisure, you are free to do that, and im free to call him whatever name i like and his forum a madhouse, as it is to my eyes - theres room for us all in this world though so why waste your breath being bothered about it?

and LBc, I, suspiria, john and hrafn had about 25000 posts between us on the forum, i'd call that core. again - why quibbile on terms, ying tong was a troll and a hacker and the guy who led to harris pulling the plug, you see we know this as we have all the data/ips/logs etc, as does harris, all others have is conspiratainment

[father ted]

Great video and putressence is a legend. A breath of fresh air amidst all the new age crap that I have to put up with when trying to do propper research:)

[roxanna222]

If you don't like a forum don't go there again. Simple remedy. Cheers

[iro_]

If you don't like a forum don't go there again. Simple remedy. Cheers

hell yeah

great advice for the drama seekers

[Anders Lindman]

If you don't like a forum don't go there again. Simple remedy. Cheers

Or take a sample now and then to see if a forum has changed.

[alice34]

Great video and putressence is a legend. A breath of fresh air amidst all the new age crap that I have to put up with when trying to do propper research:)

Thanks father ted, I will pass on your kind words to "His Grace"! ;) :) :)

[Mo0n5tar]

you love 2tuff like an adopted father - thats fine. go and worship him at your leisur

No i have respect for what 2tuff has and continues to do for free with his forum, regardless of how many times you and wonder woman attempt to paint me to be some ridiculous groupie does not make it true, because i express my respect for what he does with health info and conspiracy info alike does seem to agitate people like you Iro, for what reason i am unsure perhaps you could clarify in a pm?.

I refer to the amount of times you have generally slung around the mental health insults in my direction on illusions the forum and others, i have always made it clear that your derogitory insults are far from the mark yet you persist in your attempts.

The fact you throw around these insults makes me wonder as to your agenda in opening what some may term a fringe forum which surely would offer opposition to mainstream psychological labelling, yet you persist with this labelling, seeking to impose the constraints of this wicked society.

[sean]

Hi everyone,

I'm closing this thread. Lots of personal disagreements being argued under one generalised thread isn't productive to anyone. Better to sort your problems out in private.

Sean