Parents to loose out if they refuse to vaccinate

[largejack]

OMG I have just heard on the news that if parents refuse to get their children vaccinated they will loose school places for their children and also their child benefits this is terrible.:mad: It makes me so mad as my children haven't been vaccinated and yet are the most healthiest children around. My friends children however who have been vaccinated are always ill.

Oh well looks like my children wont be going to school and I will loose my Child Benefit I am not being blackmailed.

[the itinerant shrubber]

None of my 3 kids have had that crap and we refused the heel-prick test for our youngest which tests for Sickle Cell and hydrocephalus. We're not black so S.C is out of the question and hydrocephalus is a very rare condition.
Since the state has been obsessed by obtaining our DNA and filing it,we said no thankyou. The midwife said it was unheard of for someone to not have it done.LOL.
My kids dont go to school and this is just another of many many reasons why they dont go. A child that wont attend 12 years of bullshit and doesnt have shit flowing through there veins...whats the downside? If they ban your kids from going into the school-teach em at home. That'll throw em.

[kweli]

None of my 3 kids have had that crap and we refused the heel-prick test for our youngest which tests for Sickle Cell and hydrocephalus. We're not black so S.C is out of the question and hydrocephalus is a very rare condition.
Since the state has been obsessed by obtaining our DNA and filing it,we said no thankyou. The midwife said it was unheard of for someone to not have it done.LOL.
My kids dont go to school and this is just another of many many reasons why they dont go. A child that wont attend 12 years of bullshit and doesnt have shit flowing through there veins...whats the downside? If they ban your kids from going into the school-teach em at home. That'll throw em.

Good for you.. respect! Welcome to the forum, cool user name btw. :)

[largejack]

None of my 3 kids have had that crap and we refused the heel-prick test for our youngest which tests for Sickle Cell and hydrocephalus. We're not black so S.C is out of the question and hydrocephalus is a very rare condition.
Since the state has been obsessed by obtaining our DNA and filing it,we said no thankyou. The midwife said it was unheard of for someone to not have it done.LOL.
My kids dont go to school and this is just another of many many reasons why they dont go. A child that wont attend 12 years of bullshit and doesnt have shit flowing through there veins...whats the downside? If they ban your kids from going into the school-teach em at home. That'll throw em.

That is amazing well done to you. I hate the idea of my kids at school anyway so maybe this aint a bad thing:D Are you in the UK?

[the itinerant shrubber]

Yes. We'd lose out on benefits and god knows we aint rich but if we dont all make a stand for our kids,what future will they have?

[llogun]

This just tells me what crap is in these vaccinations and they will do anything to make sure are kids have them.

[kweli]

This just tells me what crap is in these vaccinations and they will do anything to make sure are kids have them.

Agreed!

It's a line I often repeat but it always spings to mind - - since when have THEY given a fuck about our health?

[wakeupworld]

This should be the way not an exception to the rule, well done anyway.

[the itinerant shrubber]

Agreed!

It's a line I often repeat but it always spings to mind - - since when have THEY given a fuck about our health?

I think you'll find that the government are there for our health and happiness and have our best interests at heart.:rolleyes:

If you dont like it,then go live in China/Russia/Iran/Iraq...oh no,we made Iraq a shithole didnt we... Anyway,we live in a democracy so you've no right to complain or indeed have an opinion.

[kweli]

I think you'll find that the government are there for our health and happiness and have our best interests at heart.:rolleyes:

If you dont like it,then go live in China/Russia/Iran/Iraq...oh no,we made Iraq a shithole didnt we... Anyway,we live in a democracy so you've no right to complain or indeed have an opinion.

Aye, they paint everywhere else to be so bad, lucky us eh? :rolleyes:

[angelmoon]

first the fluoride in the water and now compulsory vaccinations , they are running scared of our accelerated consciousness and are doing all they can to put a halt to it

[kweli]

first the fluoride in the water and now compulsory vaccinations , they are running scared of our accelerated consciousness and are doing all they can to put a halt to it

Cool way of thinking angelmoon, and I hope you're right. But these measures are already in place. So, what of the casualities along the way? The one's that will suffer and pay the price, should we forget them and just hope for the best? :confused:

[the itinerant shrubber]

I had Mealses and Mumps and other than my rampant paranoia and a penchant for patronizing strange forums,I'm fine. Managed to sire 3 children too.
If the kids are well nourished and therefore healthy,they will fight it off naturally. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
When my eldest got chickenpox a few years ago,he was one of literally TENS across the county that got it. The media described this as an epidemic! LOL

[talkingchimp]

OMG I have just heard on the news that if parents refuse to get their children vaccinated they will loose school places for their children and also their child benefits this is terrible.:mad: It makes me so mad as my children haven't been vaccinated and yet are the most healthiest children around. My friends children however who have been vaccinated are always ill.

Oh well looks like my children wont be going to school and I will loose my Child Benefit I am not being blackmailed.

DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN BE INNOCULaTED.......ITS ALL EUGENIC EXPERIMENTATION. i cant believe that so called parents just follo the party line and let their kids be pumped full of shit......which inflames part of the brain, and doctors tell them this a natural side effect which will pass.......what they fail to tell people is that inflammation damages cells completely.........educate your own kids and feed them with your own grown food.....this is the only way forward.

[talkingchimp]

I had Mealses and Mumps and other than my rampant paranoia and a penchant for patronizing strange forums,I'm fine. Managed to sire 3 children too.
If the kids are well nourished and therefore healthy,they will fight it off naturally. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
When my eldest got chickenpox a few years ago,he was one of literally TENS across the county that got it. The media described this as an epidemic! LOL

hahaha you quote a classic statement what doesnt kill you makes you stronger? analyse that for a minute will you because its ridiculous. if you do the tiniest bit of research into autism cases 70 to 80 years ago you will find that the child in question is born with the condition....whereas today the condition comes on after innoculation injections......the child is usually showing all the signs of growing and learning like normal when its suddenly stops and reverts back to an uncommunicating state and all advancement halts. this is due to brain swelling........it was bertrand russell who stated in one of his books that we will fight overpopulation with the needle............ educate yourself its your duty to your family.

[largejack]

DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN BE INNOCULaTED.......ITS ALL EUGENIC EXPERIMENTATION. i cant believe that so called parents just follo the party line and let their kids be pumped full of shit......which inflames part of the brain, and doctors tell them this a natural side effect which will pass.......what they fail to tell people is that inflammation damages cells completely.........educate your own kids and feed them with your own grown food.....this is the only way forward.


Don't worry there is no way they will be vaccinating any of my four kids. I have thought also about growing my own food:)

[largejack]

Just read this from the daily mail website


Children under two would also be vaccinated each year against flu and have additional jabs to protect against chicken pox and winter vomiting virus.

Schools currently do not have to ask parents if their child has had the MMR jab and it is up to school nurses to check records.

But under the plans, parents would have to declare what jabs their toddler had had.

Children who had missed vaccinations would be forced to attend a "catch-up" session before schools starts.

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children could face penalties.

In the U.S. parents are threatened with jail if their offspring are not immunised.

Mrs Creagh will outline her plans this week in the Fabian Review, the quarterly magazine of left-wing think-tank the Fabian Society.

In the magazine, the MP for Wakefield said: "We have vaccination rates as low as 11 per cent in parts of London and cases of measles, mumps and rubella are rising sharply.

"Labour should imitate the successful-U.S. model to ensure no lowincome child was unvaccinated.

"There, children can only start school after proof of vaccination has been supplied by parents - except on religious and medical grounds."

There has been a sharp decline in the take-up of the triple vaccine because of fears that it could be linked to autism.

The research supporting this claim has since been debunked by leading scientists but some parents have turned to expensive private clinics and had the jabs done separaretly.

In such cases parents could have to provide the separate vaccination certificates.

Mrs Creagh suggests expanding the NHS programme which already immunises toddlers against MMR, diphtheria, whoopping cough, tetanus, polio, meningitis and pneumonia.

Chairman of the British Medical Association, Dr Hamish Meldrum claims forcing parents to have their children inoculated is "morally and ethically dubious".

He said a "Stalinist approach" would backfire.

It is understood that the idea has not yet been discussed with the Prime Minister and last night Labour insisted it had no plans for compulsory vaccination.




The extra vaccinations before two is just shocking I feel so sorry for kids these days:mad:

[drhemp]

My kids are not vaccinated, and they don't go to State schools, but I still find this outrageous. They are fucking around with children's immune systems, so they are more susceptible to illness in later life.

Now is there anyone out there who still doesn't believe we have a fascist government?

[kweli]

My kids are not vaccinated, and they don't go to State schools, but I still find this outrageous. They are fucking around with children's immune systems, so they are more susceptible to illness in later life.

Now is there anyone out there who still doesn't believe we have a fascist government?

Plenty lol, go check out the Freemasons threads.

[lacey]

I decided to home educate my son (4yr old) and he has not had any jabs. He's hardly ever sick.
Best choice in my opinion.

Contact Education Otherwise for really good info and advice on home education etc [url]http://www.education-otherwise.0rg

[angelmoon]

what about the basic human right to be able to choose whether we want to be vaccinated? i have just watched a video on this subject and feel i have let my own kids down by being a sheep and giving them these poisons :(

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines/index.html

[mad as a cat]

This was posted on the Education Otherwise forum....
.................................................. ........................
The Little Boy. Author unknown

Once a little boy went to school--
He was quite a little boy and it was quite a big school.
But when the little boy found that he could go into his room
From the door outside, he was happy.
And the big school did not seem quite so big any more.
One morning, when the little boy had been in school awhile,
The teacher said, "Today we are going to make a picture."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make pictures.
He could make all kinds:
Lions and tigers, Chickens and cows, trains and boats,
And he took out his box of crayons and began to draw.
But the teacher said, "Wait! It is not time to begin!"
And she waited until everyone looked ready.
"Now," said the teacher, "We are going to make flowers."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make flowers.
And he began to make beautiful flowers
With his pink and orange and blue crayons.
But the teacher said, "Wait! And I'll show you how."
And it was red, with a green stem. "There," then said.
"Now you may begin."
The little boy looked at the teacher's flower.
Then he looked at his own flower.
He liked his flower better than the teacher's, but he did not say this.
He just turned his paper over and made a flower just like the teacher's.
It was red, with a green stem.
On another day, when the little boy opened the door from the outside
all by himself,
The teacher said, "Today, we are going to make something with clay."
"Good!" thought the boy. He liked clay.
He could make all kinds of things with clay:
Snakes and snowmen, elephants and mice, cars and trucks.
And he began to pull and pinch his ball of clay.
But the teacher said: "Wait! It's not time to begin!"
And she waited until everyone looked ready.
"Now," said the teacher, "We are going to make a dish."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make dishes.
And he began to make some that were all shapes and sizes. But the
teacher said,
"Wait! And I'll show you how." And she showed everyone how to make one
deep dish.
"There," said the teacher. "Now you may begin."
The little boy looked at the teacher's dish and looked at his own.
He liked his dish better than the teacher's, but he did not say this.
He just rolled his clay into a big ball again, and made a dish like
his teacher's.
It was a deep dish.
Pretty soon the little boy learned to wait--And to watch-
And to make things just like his teacher-
And pretty soon he didn't make things of his own anymore.
Then it happened that the boy and his family moved to another house,
in another city.
And the little boy had to go to another school.
This school was even bigger than the other one.
He had to go up some big steps and walk down a long hall to get to his
room.
The very first day he was there, the teacher said:
"Today we are going to make a picture." "Good!" thought the little boy.
And he waited for the teacher to tell him what to do.
But the teacher didn't say anything. She just walked around the room.
When she came to the little boy she said,
"Don't you want to make a picture?"
"Yes," said the little boy.
"How shall I make it?" asked the little boy."
"Why anyway you like," said the teacher.
"And any color?" asked the little boy. "Any color," said the teacher.
"If everyone made the same picture,
And used the same colors,
how would I know who made what, and which was which?"
"I don't know," said the little boy.
And he began to make a red flower with a green stem.

.................................................. ......................

[americana]

Just read this from the daily mail website
Children under two would also be vaccinated each year against flu and have additional jabs to protect against chicken pox and winter vomiting virus.
The extra vaccinations before two is just shocking I feel so sorry for kids these days:mad:

Winter Vomiting Virus? Qu'est-ce que c'est? Kids puke. Life goes on. There you have it. Who needs a vaccine for that?

What's the point of a chicken pox vaccine? First heard of this in the early 1990s and was shocked. It's a pretty mild virus for the most part, isn't it? In the wimp-ass world we live in, pretty soon they'll be enforcing a vaccine for the common cold.

Anyhoo, our beloved dog died from vaccines. That's a whole nother kettle of fish, and I want to have a dog myself someday, so I'll have to read up on the "law" and have a plan.

[kingmonkey]

Can someone explain to me what's the big deal with catching these things anyway? I, and most of my friends when we were kids all had these viruses, our parents would get us all together so we all caught and got rid of the diseases while we were kids (i believe these viruses can be serious in adults). What's different now and why is everyone so scared of these things?

Human Beings are not immortal and disease and illness are part of life. What's next? It's all just scaremongering to the effect of "inject your child now or IT WILL DIE".

[and justice for all]

They just love to put people on catch 22 situations:
Vaccinate or you'll miss out on benefits and schooling "privileges".
If you vaccinate your children, then they're allowed to be enrolled on their mass brainwashing operation so called school system.

On the hypothetical scenario where enough parents say no to the vaccination program despite the inconveniences the system impose on them as a result of that; they might even go as far as releasing diseases upon the population (foot and mouth anyone?) creating artificial outbreaks of some illnesses just to make a point. "You see? You should have vaccinated."

[diamond dogs]

Has anyone made the point that if The Moronic Majority choose to have their kids take the MMR then surely they are 'safe' from a pupil that has measles or whatever so what is all the fuss ffs??

[kweli]

Has anyone made the point that if The Moronic Majority choose to have their kids take the MMR then surely they are 'safe' from a pupil that has measles or whatever so what is all the fuss ffs??

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/vaccines.jpg

[real6]

We're not black so S.C is out of the question and hydrocephalus is a very rare condition.


Now how Racist does that sound???

[beldazar]

Guess Im opting out of society then! No way am I getting my kids jabbed any more! My 12 year old has borderline autism, one of the ten strains so the school psychologist said, cant remember which one. I get reminders now and then for my 4 year old and he has just been accepted at primary school.

I sent my friend in Ireland some info on vaccinations as she has just given birth to her 3rd child and she replied to me that they wont be accepted at school if they dont provide proof of vaccines! This subject really pisses me off!! :mad:

[largejack]

Beldazar that is ridiculous it just shows how much Ireland is like the US now. Well I am not vaccinating so looks like I will have to go into hiding at some point when they come for me and my family. Non of us will be getting injected with a microchip either. How long will it be before they use the unless your kids are microchipped they cannot start school:rolleyes:

[largejack]

Another thought what about our kids who are already in school and are not vaccinated (my three are) will I have to provide proof for them :confused: My fourth child is only 8 months old now so she will not be going to school by the looks of things:mad: This whole blackmail makes me angry

[montag]

I will loose my Child Benefit I am not being blackmailed.
That is why welfare is a trap, you become Dependant on it and when the government begins to make demands on you and you refuse to comply they just withdraw your funding. For most it's normally easier to comply.

[kingmonkey]

Now how Racist does that sound???

Sickle cell anaemia is almost non existent in white people and is predominantly found in african and Caribbean peoples, followed by people from the middle east. So not racist at all really.

[kweli]

That is why welfare is a trap, you become Dependant on it and when the government begins to make demands on you and you refuse to comply they just withdraw your funding. For most it's normally easier to comply.

Yes, this is what happens when they control EVERYTHING, and no doubt.. most will comply.

I reckon they're on to a winner with this one too. :mad:

Meningitis: defeated at last?

"Parents live in fear of this infection. It targets the young and strikes with horrificspeed. One in 10 dies, and many others suffer permanent disabilities. But yesterday scientists revealed a startling breakthrough."

Yeah.. you guessed it, another vaccine.

The annual scourge of deaths and severe illness caused by meningitis could be consigned to the history books after scientists announced startling results from trials of a potential vaccine.

In the most significant advance in a decade, researchers say they have obtained powerful immune responses in 150 British infants on whom the vaccine was tested, suggesting it would be protective against the group B type of the disease.

An effective vaccine against meningitis B is the holy grail of meningitis research and could virtually eliminate the devastating bacterial infection from Britain and other European countries. Vaccines against group C meningitis, which was introduced in 1999, and Hib meningitis in 1992, have reduced these causes of the disease by more than 90 per cent.

Full article: http://dailynewspaper.co.uk/contents/nav/top10nav.htm

[esse]

Insane that one would have schooling refused if they didn't comply with this forced poisoning - but yeah, there are LOTS of other reasons to want to homeschool! I have long thought that if and when I ever have the priviledge of raising kids I would NOT send them to school to be programmed and abused...
There are some things I think they would need - social community, etc - but you could homeschool and avoid so much negativity and to make sure they were getting a rich social life get them enrolled in outside classes, art - martial arts or sports, dance, music - you name it.
I went thru some homeschooling myself as a child - and it was the best thing I ever did, it helped me so much to learn to work independently - and was a massive help when it came to improving my study and life skills.. You don't get spoonfed, you have to learn how to figure things out more for yrself - and it made me a very independent and capable character. I totally advocate it for others. I guess it's tough on families today with both parents often working full time or something to be able to manage this - but applaud the ones who do - School is just so full of the pressure to conform to moronic behavior and so many of the brightest people I know had no end of persecution there (especially in the younger grades).
This whole move to force us "commodities" to be properly sterilized - LOL aka poisoned - what is it now, are the kids without vaccination going to suddenly become disease carriers and effect the other (?vaccinated & thereby protected?) ones - Whats' the logic behind this? It is sinister - as we know, but even without this - the whole premise is against freedom and intrinsically flawed as it stands to reason - that there is no danger posed by kids opting out of this to any other kids who do choose to be innoculated. Not if the innoculations work - So what is it than.... don't want to burden the health system? We are commodities? These sorts of controlling agendas always have driven me up the wall - they go against basic respect - they are belittling and no one should be subject to that.

[the itinerant shrubber]

My kids were as miserable as fuck while they were at school and all they learned was how to swear. By what I saw,most kids are already sleep deprived before they start the day becouse the parents dont have control over them and they go to bed when they like and then they eat a bowl of sugar for breakfast.
By lunch time,they've crashed and their adrenal glands are exhausted so they they fill up with more junk and sugar. All the while of course they've beed indoctrinated by the education system and the artificial social network of their peers and when they get home,the TV goes on and the conditioning continues.
Sleep deprivation,chemical poisoning and mind control are the order of the day for alot of kids.They dont have a chance.

[oceanwave]

i notice there are no links in this thread relating to this subject*

bbc: No jabs, no school says Labour (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7392510.stm)

gaurdian: MP proposes jabs link to school place (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2279399,00.html)



*it would be good if links were provided in the original post, as it saves one from scouring the internet as well as 'authenticating' said posters...err...post ;)

[frankanne]

This was posted on the Education Otherwise forum....
.................................................. ........................
The Little Boy. Author unknown

Once a little boy went to school--
He was quite a little boy and it was quite a big school.
But when the little boy found that he could go into his room
From the door outside, he was happy.
And the big school did not seem quite so big any more.
One morning, when the little boy had been in school awhile,
The teacher said, "Today we are going to make a picture."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make pictures.
He could make all kinds:
Lions and tigers, Chickens and cows, trains and boats,
And he took out his box of crayons and began to draw.
But the teacher said, "Wait! It is not time to begin!"
And she waited until everyone looked ready.
"Now," said the teacher, "We are going to make flowers."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make flowers.
And he began to make beautiful flowers
With his pink and orange and blue crayons.
But the teacher said, "Wait! And I'll show you how."
And it was red, with a green stem. "There," then said.
"Now you may begin."
The little boy looked at the teacher's flower.
Then he looked at his own flower.
He liked his flower better than the teacher's, but he did not say this.
He just turned his paper over and made a flower just like the teacher's.
It was red, with a green stem.
On another day, when the little boy opened the door from the outside
all by himself,
The teacher said, "Today, we are going to make something with clay."
"Good!" thought the boy. He liked clay.
He could make all kinds of things with clay:
Snakes and snowmen, elephants and mice, cars and trucks.
And he began to pull and pinch his ball of clay.
But the teacher said: "Wait! It's not time to begin!"
And she waited until everyone looked ready.
"Now," said the teacher, "We are going to make a dish."
"Good!" thought the little boy. He liked to make dishes.
And he began to make some that were all shapes and sizes. But the
teacher said,
"Wait! And I'll show you how." And she showed everyone how to make one
deep dish.
"There," said the teacher. "Now you may begin."
The little boy looked at the teacher's dish and looked at his own.
He liked his dish better than the teacher's, but he did not say this.
He just rolled his clay into a big ball again, and made a dish like
his teacher's.
It was a deep dish.
Pretty soon the little boy learned to wait--And to watch-
And to make things just like his teacher-
And pretty soon he didn't make things of his own anymore.
Then it happened that the boy and his family moved to another house,
in another city.
And the little boy had to go to another school.
This school was even bigger than the other one.
He had to go up some big steps and walk down a long hall to get to his
room.
The very first day he was there, the teacher said:
"Today we are going to make a picture." "Good!" thought the little boy.
And he waited for the teacher to tell him what to do.
But the teacher didn't say anything. She just walked around the room.
When she came to the little boy she said,
"Don't you want to make a picture?"
"Yes," said the little boy.
"How shall I make it?" asked the little boy."
"Why anyway you like," said the teacher.
"And any color?" asked the little boy. "Any color," said the teacher.
"If everyone made the same picture,
And used the same colors,
how would I know who made what, and which was which?"
"I don't know," said the little boy.
And he began to make a red flower with a green stem.

.................................................. ......................


How sad and true and profound.

[real6]

Sickle cell anaemia is almost non existent in white people and is predominantly found in african and Caribbean peoples, followed by people from the middle east. So not racist at all really.

O trust me i know. It was just way he worded it ;)

[frankanne]

i notice there are no links in this thread relating to this subject*

bbc: No jabs, no school says Labour (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7392510.stm)

gaurdian: MP proposes jabs link to school place (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2279399,00.html)



*it would be good if links were provided in the original post, as it saves one from scouring the internet as well as 'authenticating' said posters...err...post ;)

Thank you oceanwave. Here's a quote from the Guardian:

Mary Creagh, MP for Wakefield, is floating the idea that Britain should follow a US model of compelling families to immunise babies and toddlers against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella as a way of reducing public health inequalities.

-------------

So what are we waiting for? Let's bombard this Mary Creagh with our views!!!

Here's her website and email address:

http://www.marycreagh.co.uk/

mary@marycreagh.co.uk

I know that I am going to email her right now, letting her know that I think her arm twisting suggestions are scarey beyond belief. How dare she!!!!!

[frankanne]

Here's the email I sent her:

Dear Mary Creagh,

I have read in the Guardian that you would like all children and babies to be compusorily vaccinated.

Have you any idea of what you are doing here? You are either criminally negligent, in that you are ignorant of the facts of vaccines - or you are criminally compliant with instigating a poisonous onslaught upon our babies and children.

Either way, you need to wise up to the fact that there are many, many people who are NOT ignorant, nor are willing to be bullied into submission.

How dare you!

----------------------

Hoping that others send emails too. If we just sit back and let them ride rough shod over us, then they will.

[frankanne]

wow. That was a quick reply:

Thank you for your e-mail. This acknowledgement has been triggered electronically and I have not yet had a chance to read your message. We aim to reply to all correspondence within five working days. The office is very busy and all items have to be prioritised. Please do not be disappointed or offended if you do not receive an immediate reply. Please check that you have included your full name, postal address and phone number in your e-mail. Please note that there is a strict rule in the House of Commons that MPs may only respond to the substance of communications from their own constituents.

With best wishes,

Mary Creagh ____

MARY CREAGH
Member of Parliament for Wakefield Wakefield Constituency Office

20-22 Cheapside,
Wakefield,
WF1 2TF
Telephone: 01924 204 319
Facsimile: 01924 299 723
Email: mary@marycreagh.co.uk
Website: www.marycreagh.co.uk

----------------------

Maybe we could phone in our protest as well. Let them know that they have got a battle on their hands!

[frankanne]

Oh. And I gave my name and address in the email - as requested -. Not too sure why I can give it to this Mary Creagh, who I suspect and dislike - yet can't give it here, on this forum. Oh well, the rules and regulations go deep, don't they?

[shellygurrrl]

I'm no doctor, but aren't most of the diseases curable that vaccines protect against anyway? It's not so much the fact that they want to vaccinate, because I think there can be some good in medical technology, but they want to give like 4 or 5 of them at once! That's insane! One per visit, and I've heard from people that if you try to insist on THAT, doctor's will refuse to treat your child, recommend you go elsewhere, give you a real hard time, bully you, etc. I plan on demanding to see the ingredients before they put one into my kid. The main ingredient to look for is thimerosol, a preservative containing mercury.

[beldazar]

I have absolutely no doubt that they are curable but not only that, what if the diseases are deliberately set on us in the first place :mad:

[kweli]

Oh. And I gave my name and address in the email - as requested -. Not too sure why I can give it to this Mary Creagh, who I suspect and dislike - yet can't give it here, on this forum. Oh well, the rules and regulations go deep, don't they?

If you think a bit more deeply about that question frankie, you'll find your own answer. ;) I don't think it's wise to give your personal details online; in fact, I'd be very wary of giving them to government officials in such a way too. But hey, that's just me and I'm a freak! :)

[shellygurrrl]

I have absolutely no doubt that they are curable but not only that, what if the diseases are deliberately set on us in the first place :mad:
And another thing that gets me is practically none of them are 100%. You may still get the disease even if vaccinated. :confused:

[pduffy4]

So no vaccinations with AIDS, Cancer, Mercury and fuck knows what else and no school?

Shit, I wish I was just born in 2008 to two hippy switched on parents with lots of money and a home in the country; I would not have had a shite education and would not have had all the childhood illneses that I had!

Yeh, bring on the school ban Labor you sily mother fuckers!:D:p:rolleyes:

See pictures as examples (Not my images so thanks whoever!)-
http://www.precious-times.eu/hippy%203.jpg
http://www.dreamfriendsforkids.com/images/hippy%20chic.JPG
Damn she's very nice!
http://myapologies.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/hippy2.jpg

:p:p:D:D

[montag]

Thank you oceanwave. Here's a quote from the Guardian:

Mary Creagh, MP for Wakefield, is floating the idea that Britain should follow a US model of compelling families to immunise babies and toddlers against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella as a way of reducing public health inequalities.

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So what are we waiting for? Let's bombard this Mary Creagh with our views!!!

Here's her website and email address:

http://www.marycreagh.co.uk/

mary@marycreagh.co.uk

I know that I am going to email her right now, letting her know that I think her arm twisting suggestions are scarey beyond belief. How dare she!!!!!
Thats exactly the purpose of this particular piece of propaganda, to test public reaction to the move, it's like a form of polling. If you read all the articles carefully you'll notice the labour party has denied any such plan to introduce compulsory jabs, it was an idea floated by Mary personally in an interview she did, not a policy decision. This doesn't mean though that it won't eventually be introduced, what it does mean is that they are polling to test public opposition to the idea, so get emailing!

[kingmonkey]

O trust me i know. It was just way he worded it ;)

Yeah, fair point. :)

[dangermouse]

i remember getting the BCG Vaccine in school .. the public health Nurse would co me to administer it. Remember had horrible scabs from the jabs that oozed weird matter for weeks

[frankanne]

I got a reply from Mary Greagh, the MP who is pushing to have our children compulsorily vaccinated. Cheeky cow.

And here's my reply to her:

Dear Ms. Creagh,

Thank you for your reply to my email.

You seem to be totally unaware of the facts of vaccination.

The dangers of vaccinations to children's long term health prospects and longevity itself far outweigh any potential benefits touted by the pharmaceutical industry for vaccines. The LIES and misinformation about vaccine benefits from the drug industry is statistically provable. Just do a little bit of research for yourself and you will realise the damage that vaccines have done and are doing.

You will find vaccines are responsible for cot deaths, autism, allergies, diabetes, auto-immune diseases, even AIDS. Just a quick glance at any reports by respected scientists and doctors who are not in the pay of the massively powerful drug companies will show you that at the very LEAST you should look into their findings.

We are told that vaccines have wiped out diseases. That's a lie. If you look at any graphs of diseases going back to 1900, you will see they were on a free fall decline BEFORE vaccination.

In England for instance, the incidence of polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.

Measles was always a childhood disease and a healthy well nourished child will fight this off and come out the stronger for it. Women who caught the disease naturally would pass on their immunity to the new born babies and the infants were protected through the most vulnerable 12 months of their life. Not any more. Now vaccinated mothers are giving birth to babies totally unprotected, BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE.

These are just a few of the facts of vaccination.

You have a duty to look into this debate further, simply because you want to FORCE babies and children to have these toxic vaccines. Do you know the ingredients?

For you to push for compulsory vaccinations WITHOUT looking at both sides of the debate is criminal negligence.

Yours sincerely,
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Subject: RE: compulsory vaccinations
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:00:45 +0100
From: CREAGHM@parliament.uk

Dear Ms I

Thank you for your comments on my proposal to give local education authorities a duty to check children have been properly vaccinated before they start school.

My proposals are not official Labour Party or Government policy. They are the product of my passion to improve child health, and are designed to stimulate debate. They are the result of conversations with senior doctors and public health officials in the UK, USA and France.

The proposal was in the wider context of an article I wrote for Fabian Review, on the need to narrow health inequalities across the UK. I have attached a copy of the article, as you may not have read it in its entirety.

Measles is a serious, highly contagious disease which can cause encephalitis, pneumonia and, rarely, death. It can leave survivors deaf, blind or brain damaged. In 2007 there were 971 cases of measles in the UK, a thirteen-fold increase from just 77 in 2005. Doctors have told me that the figures are just the tip of the iceberg - that many more cases are going unreported. The vaccination rate is 85% in the UK - and much lower in inner London. To halt the inexorable rise we need to reach the World Health Organisation target of 95%. My article suggested one way of doing that.

Anecdotally, it appears that measles outbreaks in London, the East of England and South and West Yorkshire often occur in travelling communities, religious communities, and in asylum seekers. These are groups that have high mobility, low incomes and life expectancy, and poor access to medical care.

My proposals are designed to address these inequalities. I want to find a better way to help the vast majority of parents who want their children protected to keep up to date with vaccination schedules. Schools are places where children are in constant contact with each other and are, generally, the places where children pick up infections. Many nurseries already ask to see a child's red book health record before they can take up a place to ensure that workers and other children are not put at risk of infection. The NHS insists its staff are vaccinated against transmissible diseases to protect vulnerable patients.

Not all children would be vaccinated. There would, of course, be medical exemptions for children with conditions such as cancer, leukaemia, or who are HIV positive, as well as children whose parents have strong religious or philosophical objections. Such school based schemes already operate in the USA and France, countries that have a strong tradition of individual choice and freedom from government intervention. The results speak for themselves. In the USA last year, there were just 70 cases of measles, compared with our 971 cases, despite a population that is five times larger than the UK.

In the USA, most exemptions are given on medical grounds. It is important to stress that parental choice not to vaccinate a child can only take place because there is what scientists call 'herd immunity' in the wider community - a level of vaccination (normally between 85%-95%) that means diseases cannot easily spread. Parents who choose not to vaccinate their children can thereby do so, safe in the knowledge that their children are unlikely to come into contact with the disease. This choice is only possible because other parents choose to vaccinate. I also believe that children and their schoolfriends have the right to be protected from vaccine preventable disease.

In Colorado, the US state with the highest number of philosophical exemptions, a qualitiative study was conducted over 11 years on non-vaccinated children. It found that unvaccinated children aged 3 to 10 were 60 times more likely to get measles than vaccinated v children. Unvaccinated children also present risks to vaccinated children, as a vaccine is never 100% effective, as well as to younger unvaccinated siblings and to expectant mothers and their unborn children.

I am not advocating the exclusion of children from school. Indeed, the US experience shows that, in practice, this does not happen . I have a longstanding interest in the improvement of our children's health. My Children’s Food Bill, containing measures such as removing junk food from schools, improving school dinners, and reintroducing cooking lessons, all eventually adopted by the Government. I also campaign to reduce child scalding incidents which claim the lives of more than 20 people each year, and cause serious injury to more than 400, young children every year.

It is disappointing that they have been sensationalised by certain sections of the media. I am disappointed that Dr Hamish Meldrum, the Chairman of the BMA GP Committee, (and not a public health expert) called them "Stalinist". I know that several of the BMA Council members are unhappy with his comments. The medical professionals that I have spoken to are anxious to increase the vaccination rate and stem the recent rises in measles rates and the suffering they see. I look forward to receiving his ideas as to how this can be achieved.

Thank you again for your comments,

Kind Regards

Mary Creagh MP

[montag]

Send her a link to this.. 301 Moved Permanently

[frankanne]

Send her a link to this.. http://liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011

Just watching it now montag. Thanks. This is mind-blowing. Here's the email I just sent the MP:

Dear Ms. Creagh,

Further to my previous email, you really do owe it to the children and babies of our world to watch this video.

Even if you only watch the first two minutes of it. Dr. Maurice Hilleman is speaking about how when he worked for the powerful drug company Merck, he 'imported AIDS' with his vaccines.

LiveLeak.com - Merk drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses

Yours sincerely,

[montag]

Just watching it now montag. Thanks. This is mind-blowing. Here's the email I just sent the MP:

Dear Ms. Creagh,

Further to my previous email, you really do owe it to the children and babies of our world to watch this video.

Even if you only watch the first two minutes of it. Dr. Maurice Hilleman is speaking about how when he worked for the powerful drug company Merck, he 'imported AIDS' with his vaccines.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011

Yours sincerely,
Good work, it's hard to deny when you have one of the pioneers of vaccine research in his own words admit this. What is more disturbing is the interviewers reaction, very scary and sick.

[montag]

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Subject: RE: compulsory vaccinations
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:00:45 +0100
From: CREAGHM@parliament.uk

Dear Ms I

Thank you for your comments on my proposal to give local education authorities a duty to check children have been properly vaccinated before they start school.

My proposals are not official Labour Party or Government policy. They are the product of my passion to improve child health, and are designed to stimulate debate. They are the result of conversations with senior doctors and public health officials in the UK, USA and France.

The proposal was in the wider context of an article I wrote for Fabian Review, on the need to narrow health inequalities across the UK. I have attached a copy of the article, as you may not have read it in its entirety.

Measles is a serious, highly contagious disease which can cause encephalitis, pneumonia and, rarely, death. It can leave survivors deaf, blind or brain damaged. In 2007 there were 971 cases of measles in the UK, a thirteen-fold increase from just 77 in 2005. Doctors have told me that the figures are just the tip of the iceberg - that many more cases are going unreported. The vaccination rate is 85% in the UK - and much lower in inner London. To halt the inexorable rise we need to reach the World Health Organisation target of 95%. My article suggested one way of doing that.

Anecdotally, it appears that measles outbreaks in London, the East of England and South and West Yorkshire often occur in travelling communities, religious communities, and in asylum seekers. These are groups that have high mobility, low incomes and life expectancy, and poor access to medical care.

My proposals are designed to address these inequalities. I want to find a better way to help the vast majority of parents who want their children protected to keep up to date with vaccination schedules. Schools are places where children are in constant contact with each other and are, generally, the places where children pick up infections. Many nurseries already ask to see a child's red book health record before they can take up a place to ensure that workers and other children are not put at risk of infection. The NHS insists its staff are vaccinated against transmissible diseases to protect vulnerable patients.

Not all children would be vaccinated. There would, of course, be medical exemptions for children with conditions such as cancer, leukaemia, or who are HIV positive, as well as children whose parents have strong religious or philosophical objections. Such school based schemes already operate in the USA and France, countries that have a strong tradition of individual choice and freedom from government intervention. The results speak for themselves. In the USA last year, there were just 70 cases of measles, compared with our 971 cases, despite a population that is five times larger than the UK.

In the USA, most exemptions are given on medical grounds. It is important to stress that parental choice not to vaccinate a child can only take place because there is what scientists call 'herd immunity' in the wider community - a level of vaccination (normally between 85%-95%) that means diseases cannot easily spread. Parents who choose not to vaccinate their children can thereby do so, safe in the knowledge that their children are unlikely to come into contact with the disease. This choice is only possible because other parents choose to vaccinate. I also believe that children and their schoolfriends have the right to be protected from vaccine preventable disease.

In Colorado, the US state with the highest number of philosophical exemptions, a qualitiative study was conducted over 11 years on non-vaccinated children. It found that unvaccinated children aged 3 to 10 were 60 times more likely to get measles than vaccinated v children. Unvaccinated children also present risks to vaccinated children, as a vaccine is never 100% effective, as well as to younger unvaccinated siblings and to expectant mothers and their unborn children.

I am not advocating the exclusion of children from school. Indeed, the US experience shows that, in practice, this does not happen . I have a longstanding interest in the improvement of our children's health. My Children’s Food Bill, containing measures such as removing junk food from schools, improving school dinners, and reintroducing cooking lessons, all eventually adopted by the Government. I also campaign to reduce child scalding incidents which claim the lives of more than 20 people each year, and cause serious injury to more than 400, young children every year.

It is disappointing that they have been sensationalised by certain sections of the media. I am disappointed that Dr Hamish Meldrum, the Chairman of the BMA GP Committee, (and not a public health expert) called them "Stalinist". I know that several of the BMA Council members are unhappy with his comments. The medical professionals that I have spoken to are anxious to increase the vaccination rate and stem the recent rises in measles rates and the suffering they see. I look forward to receiving his ideas as to how this can be achieved.

Thank you again for your comments,

Kind Regards

Mary Creagh MP
This is not a personal response but a standard response or release, it would have been sent to everyone who wrote whether they were for or against her proposal, I've seen enough of these myself from my own correspondence with govt. Unfortunately there is little chance she would even read your emails it's all handled by her staff, the best and most reliable way to communicate to politicians if you want their attention are hand written letters sent in the post, they take you far more seriously that way.

EDIT: Just to add, the only times I ever get personal responses from politicians is when they are in opposition and there is an election looming, other than that forget about it although I would still try the hand written response, even if they don't reply they'll at least read it unlike email which they probably receive hundreds a day.

[frankanne]

You're right montag. I'll copy and paste the email into a letter and send it snail mail.

[esse]

Hey - great video Montag - thanks for posting - :)

[frankanne]

For anyone who wants to contact this MP.

4 Ways to Contact Mary Creagh MP

Phone: (01924) 204319
Fax: (01924) 299723
Email: mary@marycreagh.co.uk

Write: 20-22 Cheapside, Wakefield, WF1 2TF

[largejack]

Contacted her and sent her another link to the video, just in case she hasn't got it yet, lol.

Here's my message to her:

Dear Mrs Creagh

Please stop selling the lie that we are putting all children in harm's way if we don't take up this mass poisoning scheme. Surely if the vaccine works then anybody who has had their child vaccinated would have nothing to worry about from someone who hasn't. This is purely scaremongering to frighten us and turn parents against each other.

Mrs Creagh you can threaten and bully as much as you want but our children are not your property or any property of the state for that matter, and if you want to blackmail us, feel free, but you won't forcibly stick a needle in our children, and if you do I will consider that assault and affront to our civil rights, and I don't intend to hide behind ludicrous religious grounds either! If when my children are older and look at ALL the research, and then choose to get vaccinated, then that's their choice and I have no problems with that, but while they're under our care they will not be.

I leave you with this disturbing footage


LiveLeak.com - Merk drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses

[frankanne]

Good for you largejack. Oh, and I signed the petition in your signature.

[raffles]

You've done some great work there frankanne, nice one !!!

[frankanne]

Thanks Raffles

[largejack]

Good for you largejack. Oh, and I signed the petition in your signature.


Thanks:)

[bicycle]

OMG I have just heard on the news that if parents refuse to get their children vaccinated they will loose school places for their children

Loose out! Seems to me they will benefit. Another good reason not to vaccinate.

[purple is a fruit]

I had Mealses and Mumps and other than my rampant paranoia and a penchant for patronizing strange forums,I'm fine. Managed to sire 3 children too.
If the kids are well nourished and therefore healthy,they will fight it off naturally. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.When my eldest got chickenpox a few years ago,he was one of literally TENS across the county that got it. The media described this as an epidemic! LOL

I agree 100% neither of my children have had their nazi injections and they are two of the healthiest kids I know. If they get something like a sore throat etc they fight it off quickly and it never gets out of control, no ear infections or secondary bactarial infections ever. Unlike their vaccinated friends who are ALWAYS sick. Very sad this world we live in.