crop circles...95% military ,5% hoaxers,0% aliens

[masonfree party]

Crop Circles Made by Military Satellites


I (the author of this web-site) "www.pastpresentfuture.info", have been
visiting some crop circles in the UK, and I took some samples of
vegetation and dead insects with me.

At home, with my microscope I have been carefully observing the tissues
of the plants and of the insects. In order to find out how their state
could be reproduced, I put some healthy plants and insects in a
modified microwave oven combined with a laser burner (yes, I am truly
sorry for this rude experiment) and I examined the tissues under the
microscope.

Comparing the tissues, that I took from the crop circles in the UK with
that I took from my microwave oven, bought me to an interesting
conclusion : they look highly similar.

In other words, the cropcircles have been produced by microwave laser
technology. This technology is used by the military.

Microwave laser games
As you know, with lasers it is possible to cut (fashion, dentist,
etc.), bend and melt (industrial), and so forth, at great precision and
from large distance. Microwave laser technology, or better, maser
technology, is used at a military satellite in order to "shoot" maser
beams at precisely computed locations on our planet.

This kind of satellite is aimed to destoy anyhting at any time at any
location under any atmospheric circumstances. Such satellite is not
publicly known, i.e. kept secret, of course, and is responsible for
several "unresolved" airplane crashes.

Yes my dear visitor, maser satellites are flying right over you and you
are not safe. It is all in the game of cover-up, misusing the belief of
mankind that extra-terrestials are having an artistic party overnight.
Well, not so, as the militaries are playing around with masers, using
computers to design nice patterns and to guide the maser beams.

In the early 1970's I started playing with mainfame computers to
produce nice mathematical patterns. And sure I was not the only one. It
is a common hobbyism. Nothing to do with galactic federations and Alien
prophecies or symbols of universal wisdom.

Now, back to my microscopic investigation : in both cases (from the UK
by artistic militaries and from my microwave & laser burner) the
tissues of the plants showed tiny particles of near-crystallized dust
that were melted / bonded with the tissue. Both the plants and the
insects were literally cooked. This effect can only be reached by
masers.

Aiming a computer guided maser at high altitude towards a crop field,
in about 15 seconds a large complex pattern can be projected and
"cooked in", using rotating maserbeams (it would be quite unfortunate
if you would be moving under the beam at such moment)


Weapon used as toy

This is how crop circles are made, with a computer guided maser
satellite, by bored artistic militaries. Period.

Oh, and the light flashes ? Well, simple, because of the
electromagnetic field that is caused by the maser, the energy release
is perceived as a flash of light. Sure they leave traces of energy in
the plants, commonly incorrectly interpreted as spiritual energies of
some sort. I have been into this research myself when I was studying
all that stuff for my graduation.


By the way, if indeed Aliens have been around for thousands of years,
how come that only since a few years cropcircles have been reported ?
Since a few years, however, we do have star wars satellites - made by
us - orbiting planet Earth. Once again, crop circles are NOT made by
Aliens or UFOs, but simply by a maser satellite, programmed by a bunch
of geeks. Keep it simple.

[niftygifter]

How do you account for this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDidNzQ12ZY


Nifty:cool:

[masonfree party]

How do you account for this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDidNzQ12ZY


Nifty:cool:

probably digital fakery to sell more croppie books/glastonbury symp. tickets and keep the newage fluffy bunnies hypnotised

[fransetter]

probably digital fakery to sell more croppie books/glastonbury symp. tickets and keep the newage fluffy bunnies hypnotised

Yes, quite. And isn't it amazing how somebody just happened to be there to record the event!!!!!!

[beldazar]

didnt we already get our technology from aliens? I was on the understanding that the silicone chip came about after roswell, I dont know absolutely though but why did a group of black helicopters chase away a group of people interested in a new-formed crop circle? Did they want to be the first to see their design? I believe that the designs were made in this way but not by us, what would be the point in doing it in the first place and wouldnt they want to show off how great they are at doing them? After all, they dont harm anything apart from a few insects and top piss off a few farmers???
Na, dont buy it :p

[thirdwave]

it always makes me laugh when people believe that our military has the technology to make these things from the sky.... but... not ETEs!!

lol... anything but ETEs!!..

I think many of them are made by people who actually don't even understand why they are doing it and where the ideas are coming from...

then I think you have the ignorant hoaxers that do them.

then I think many of them are made by the secret military....

and I think some have been put there by ETEs... or ITEs...

people have been conditioned with what not to believe so much, that they have even got to the point where they are saying that us humans can travel space.... can create crop circles from space but..... oh yes.... there is not a chance in hell other people in space are doing it...

people think that because it actually is more "believable" to them....but when you really think about it... is it?

conclusion?.. yes many are made by the military.. which leads me to believe even more that some are done by things not of this world...

[thirdwave]

Yes, quite. And isn't it amazing how somebody just happened to be there to record the event!!!!!!

peopled camp out there all the time with cameras looking for stuff... so its not really a shock if someone gets something...

Orbs have been filmed by a few people and also one circle appeared in the middle of the night within 2 hours... with no light or sound....apart from a split second flash...

of course when that has been understood then the people that don't believe in them.. believe in them ...BUT ...its the military...

:rolleyes:

they will get there in the end.

I think two things here are very important..

1, why does the military/government... want us to believe in ETEs and crop circles... and why do they want us to believe that they have been screwing us out of free energy and lying to us for the last 60-70 years while ETEs have been taking humans against their will to experiment with them.. and so on..

why would they want us to think of them like that, and in what way would it be good for them? and with that... why have they waited so long for this ETE thing to gather momentum?

2, if info or evidence of ETEs comes out.. whether it be through a crop circle or through an abduction story.. or through a whistle blower... then think about what things the elite would do to make sure that we do not learn to much.... what would they do?

[skyline]

Its funny how as a species the majority try to prove that any strange phenomena is a hoax and its not ET's which just proves how we have been programmed from birth and to some extent the non belief is embedded in DNA.Thats not to say some are done by man,maybe by satellites but my intuition says some are the work of another intelligent species from where who knows for sure.

This little planet is teaming with life and and I am sure the rest of the universe is.People as a whole find it hard to except the prospect because their understanding of time is governed by earth years.We are just butterflies in the cosmos

[thirdwave]

which just proves how we have been programmed from birth and to some extent the non belief is embedded in DNA.

Totally.

with most people all the elite need to do is simply provide a very slight alternative possibility and they are caught hook line and sinker like a magnet, helplessly pulled in because it cant go anywhere else.... because ETEs is not in their register... its simply "impossible".... when of course its very possible and extremely likely.

same mentality of those who think Kennedy was not taken out and same as those who think Bin Laden was behind 9/11... only the ETE thing is a really hard one.

I have come to the conclusion that many people simply fear ETEs.... they don't want it to be true because it means that we are not as grown up as we thought we were... and not as knowledgeable, bottom line.

[tb303]

Once again, crop circles are NOT made by
Aliens or UFOs, but simply by a maser satellite, programmed by a bunch
of geeks. Keep it simple.

Yep, coordinated from Brookhaven National Laboratory.

[peachped]

Did ET's make this crop circle?
http://www.astrojourneys.com/images/et_cropcircle_450_opt.jpg

[lenejento]

Did ET's make this crop circle?
http://www.astrojourneys.com/images/et_cropcircle_450_opt.jpg


I think this is one cheezy crop circle :p

Edit: Erm, maybe I should contribute abit to this thread. Never paid much attention to crop circles, I had some interest in alien/ufos in my teenage years and did alot of searching around the web, found many stories and pic/vids that could be genuine. Thing is, you have to be quite a believer to not believe in it too, it's quite a far-fetched theory that all those people (millions) are lying/imagining things aswell (and all the other implications of this theory, it would be nice to have this theory thoroughly explained). So I guess I am leaning more towards the probability that they might exist (close to/on earth), because of so many pointers, but off course I'm open minded to the other option too. It would be interesting to hear a reason for why anyone would think it's unlikely? :) Thanks

[thirdwave]

I think this is one cheezy crop circle :p

not if that's what the person who created it looks like.

[lenejento]

not if that's what the person who created it looks like.

:D Sorry for my judgementalness.

[thirdwave]

:D Sorry for my judgementalness.

thats ok, i will let you off :)

[lenejento]

thats ok, i will let you off :)

Hmm, you remind me of someone, heheh..

[thirdwave]

Hmm, you remind me of someone, heheh..


Jesus? :)

[alexav]

Simple I think its from the way we are looking at it... for example its more simple to me that someone exist in the vast universe and come here to make an expresion... but at the same time its weird that "them" bother to make all these figures and just that... so keep it simple its like have just part of the answer to something...

Just an opinion... Greets... :P

[tejas]

I definately think some crop circles are ET in design and reason

Time will tell

[romas]

Wait wait... you are saying thousands of those things in the fields all over the place are... some geeks playing with ultra-expensive and black-secret equipment?
Then they go on and debunk their own shit as if some hill billies made them, just like that out of the blue?

Well I must admit I do not know how many retards work for USA military, but little green men playing with their equipment sounds less goofy ;)

[romas]

I think this is one cheezy crop circle :p



cheezy because?

[baron von lotsov]

probably digital fakery to sell more croppie books/glastonbury symp. tickets and keep the newage fluffy bunnies hypnotised

It's amazing that people can't get to grips with videos being faked. A video is not proof, especially when lots of money is at stake. Didn't they do something with crop circles to do with Hollywood a while back? I'm sure Hollywood would not have a problem producing a video of a flying saucer.

[thirdwave]

It's amazing that people can't get to grips with videos being faked.

Not amazing at all... I don't know anyone who is convinced by every UFO video...

but its amazing how a few fake videos can make people think they are all fake and that we are the only people in the universe.... ignoring all the evidence that shows UFOs are real, shocking.... I would call it arrogance and ignorance combined but the bottom line is its simply conditioning and mind control... and the mind control is so powerful and you can simply stand there telling me that we are the only ones in the universe and then call me stupid for thinking otherwise.... now how much more mind controlled you wana be!??

it only goes to show how brainwashed people are .. and have been as they have grown up.

for me to convince you UFOs are fake... I simply have to create a fake one and you are eating out of my hand!! :eek:

[baron von lotsov]

The situation is that I will not change my entire understanding based on some videos, knowing that there is such a market in forgery. Something so incredible as us making contact with some other lifeform of ET origin needs scientific proof, but then you will just say all scientists are working for the government. So we neither know they do exist or that they don't but it is a mightily convenient thing to use to explain virtually anything.

Primitive societies used to do this. When there was thunder they though it was an act of God, but since then science has given us a perfectly rational explanation, which nearly everyone is comfortable with. If the Illuminati wanted to regress us then what better way than to use old myths dressed up in new terminology. The aliens are essentially the new gods or ghosts or whatever you want to call something of a greater power and ability than any human, so powerful that they can do anything. Mind you that would also be the case for the Illuminati as well but I use it simply as a collective term here.

[thirdwave]

The situation is that I will not change my entire understanding based on some videos, knowing that there is such a market in forgery. Something so incredible as us making contact with some other lifeform of ET origin needs scientific proof


only for those who are brainwashed enough to need proof to be convinced that we are not the only beings in the infinite universe.... something that is completely ludicrous... and is only made realistic by society.

you do not need proof Jesus Christ was a real person... you are happy to believe an old book, but yet somone far more likely leaves you needing scientific proof... not to mention that not all the videos have been debunked... defiantly not all the abduction cases have been debunked and not all the ancient texts and images have been debunked... meaning that there is sufficient evidence that should at the very least lead us to the conclusion that it is very possible.


, but then you will just say all scientists are working for the government. So we neither know they do exist or that they don't but it is a mightily convenient thing to use to explain virtually anything.


you are a man of faith... so its very odd hearing you speak like this...
I guess we must use our own perception.... and I choose to go for..... a, law of averages....and .....b, the HUGE amount of evidence that shows us it all to be very real...


Primitive societies used to do this. When there was thunder they though it was an act of God, but since then science has given us a perfectly rational explanation,

but for somone who gets the jitters when a local dance festival is created and to conclude that all of them are created by the elite to trick and misguide us... you really think that all science has been honestly put in place and has not been messed with in any way... Dance festivals are.... but science is not! :rolleyes: ... you say that and come here telling people they are mind controlled?

its very clear you choose to view the elite as compleatly dominate and in control when you want to debunk things.... but when you don't, you seem to view them as irrelevant.



which nearly everyone is comfortable with. If the Illuminati wanted to regress us then what better way than to use old myths dressed up in new terminology.

well this is all well and good you dreaming up ideas... but its all based on nothing but what you want to believe. And most of what you believe is from the point of view of the bible... you have been completely brainwashed and everything you think is from the life story and views of a man that never even was who you think.... and this mind control is so powerful that anything that is not in harmony with all that, you oppose!. I think we have to say as bad as it is ... its genius!.


The aliens are essentially the new gods or ghosts or whatever you want to call something of a greater power and ability than any human, so powerful that they can do anything. Mind you that would also be the case for the Illuminati as well but I use it simply as a collective term here.

what tripe... we have no idea what they are as there are so many perspectives.... nothing solid... nothing clear... and what ever truth may come out ..it will never be clear or cut dry and questions will always come out due to so much info that has come out which does FAR from put the government in a beneficial position....

and the vast majority of the masses cant even contemplate the existence of them...

and again its shocking how you will come to the conclusion that here they are trying to crate gods for us.... when you refuse to except that's what the bible was.... when there is FAR more evidence to show that to be the case than any debunking of UFOs of ETEs....

ok so maybe a fake invasion is on the cards, maybe there is lot of disinfo regarding ETEs and UFOs....... but in what way does this debunk ETEs and UFOs?

0!

only to those who are brainwashed enough to not be able to contemplate them..... amazingly.

Wake up... go look at the night sky!

[baron von lotsov]

"only for those who are brainwashed enough to need proof"

White is black hey?

What am I supposed to say to that?

Conditioned I maybe but conditioned by experience. Brainwashing requires a third party to rearrange what your brain has acquired through experience to make it function more in line with the wishes of the brainwasher. So brainwashing someone to require proof is not likely to achieve this end really is it?

[mitch_lane]

lenejento wrote:

I think this is one cheezy crop circle

well very possibly yes
however, if you check out what David Flynn has to say about what is encoded in the "disc" part of this crop glyph, and if he is correct, then this goes way beyond a simple hoax and connects with Avebury and Cydonia and seems to also feature the same sort of encoding that Carl Munck has observed regarding ancient sites around the globe.

[thirdwave]

"only for those who are brainwashed enough to need proof"

White is black hey?

What am I supposed to say to that?

Conditioned I maybe but conditioned by experience. Brainwashing requires a third party to rearrange what your brain has acquired through experience to make it function more in line with the wishes of the brainwasher. So brainwashing someone to require proof is not likely to achieve this end really is it?



ok, well tel me your reasons for actually thinking that we on this planet are all there is in the universe.

there is obviously a big reason to believe such a strange thing...

and if its because you have not seen one then why if somone else has does it not even leave you open minded to the chance?

[baron von lotsov]

ok, well tel me your reasons for actually thinking that we on this planet are all there is in the universe.

there is obviously a big reason to believe such a strange thing...

and if its because you have not seen one then why if somone else has does it not even leave you open minded to the chance?

You don't even get it right what I say so I'm hardly likely to take your word for it that you have seen aliens. I stated that there is no proof either way. If we were to take the scientific approach we can see it is unlikely since the universe is a really big place. the nearest star is 4 light years away from us so for all I know there may be another race of humans somewhere else but we have no chance of knowing because even if they sent us a message they might be dead by millions of years by the time it gets to us. My position is that since the negative can't be proved it gives the disinfo people an excuse to divert us. You fall for it all of the time, I'm just glad I'm not as open minded as you and have some discernment.

[thetonic]

You don't even get it right what I say so I'm hardly likely to take your word for it that you have seen aliens. I stated that there is no proof either way. If we were to take the scientific approach we can see it is unlikely since the universe is a really big place. the nearest star is 4 light years away from us so for all I know there may be another race of humans somewhere else but we have no chance of knowing because even if they sent us a message they might be dead by millions of years by the time it gets to us. My position is that since the negative can't be proved it gives the disinfo people an excuse to divert us. You fall for it all of the time, I'm just glad I'm not as open minded as you and have some discernment.

lol. baron.

[thetonic]

Did ET's make this crop circle?
http://www.astrojourneys.com/images/et_cropcircle_450_opt.jpg

doesnt anyone find that to be a little over the top? As if an intergalactic entity would find it amusing to draw an image of himself? This is a hoax. full stop. Someone in the big chair got a little overzealous and is making a joke. There he is. You "grey alien" master, helper, harvester...:rolleyes:

LOL . that circle to the side is probably where he messed up and had cover up the bad hand drawing... What a joke

YOu people are falling for this shit?.. Freedom is done and out the door unless you start to wake up

[cheeb]

Chilbolton Observatory

The Chilbolton Observatory is near Stockbridge in Hampshire, UK.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5008/cropcirclechilburton4iy1.jpg
Sometime on 13/14 August, 2000, a spectacular crop circle was placed in the wheat field right in front of the government-owned Chilbolton Radio Telescope Observatory. It was one of the largest and most intricate made during the year 2000, measuring some 200 feet in length and 85 feet in width.


http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5310/cropcirclechilburton2hq4.jpg
Chilbolton, Hampshire, UK - August 17, 2001

Here is the Chilbolton Crop Glyph that preceded the infamous Arecibo Glyph of this summer.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/557/cropcirclechilburtondp7.jpg
This crop "rectangle" appeared in 2001 beside Chilbolton Observation Lab.


http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4695/cropcirclechilburton3xi3.jpg
The Same Faces In The Same Places!!!
On The Same Dates!!!

http://www.astrojourneys.com/images/et_cropcircle_450_opt.jpg

August 15, 2002

Another year later, nearly to the day on August 15, 2002, a formation in wheat is reported 8.5 miles from the Chilbolton Observatory on a hill top farm near Winchester, Hampshire. A small woods that runs along the field is called Crabwood, so some people have called it the Crabwood formation.

The first photographs of this Winchester/Crabwood formation
were taken on August 16, 2002, the day after an e-mail announcement from
an unknown source on August 15, 2002, gave survey coordinates for the new crop pattern.

:rolleyes:

[los_nomo]

Is it possible that alien's think that we are just now ready to handle the messages of the crop circles? It does appear that they have been noted in the distant past.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/column/deadsea.html
The Earliest Crop Circle?

Precious few references have been found in early historical records that point to possible crop circles. Probably the most renowned is the "Mowing Devil" case of 1678, in which a farmer's field was said to have been visited by a devilish entity that trampled the crops down in a circle. The event was captured for posterity on a wood engraving, but today's modern cerealogical sceptics dismiss its relevance.

Professor Robert Plot published a book entitled "A Natural History of Staffordshire" in 1686, in which he made passing reference to rings, circles and other shapes found in grassy fields. Much debate has ensued over Plot's observations; detailed as his notes were, some researchers still consider his evidence flimsy at best. They feel it more likely that Plot was describing "fairy rings" caused by common fungi. For many more, the jury is still out.

[diamond dogs]

Crop Circles Made by Military Satellites


I (the author of this web-site) "www.pastpresentfuture.info", have been
visiting some crop circles in the UK, and I took some samples of
vegetation and dead insects with me.

At home, with my microscope I have been carefully observing the tissues
of the plants and of the insects. In order to find out how their state
could be reproduced, I put some healthy plants and insects in a
modified microwave oven combined with a laser burner (yes, I am truly
sorry for this rude experiment) and I examined the tissues under the
microscope.

Comparing the tissues, that I took from the crop circles in the UK with
that I took from my microwave oven, bought me to an interesting
conclusion : they look highly similar.

In other words, the cropcircles have been produced by microwave laser
technology. This technology is used by the military.
.

www.pastpresentfuture.info

Well a web site about jewellery (advertising) is mentioned sort of gives it away and why would someone put these findings up after a few years??

If it can be proved then I would change my opinion but until then nothing has changed the crop circles mentioned are far too intricate to be a hoax!!

[peachped]

doesnt anyone find that to be a little over the top? As if an intergalactic entity would find it amusing to draw an image of himself? This is a hoax. full stop. Someone in the big chair got a little overzealous and is making a joke. There he is. You "grey alien" master, helper, harvester...:rolleyes:

LOL . that circle to the side is probably where he messed up and had cover up the bad hand drawing... What a joke

YOu people are falling for this shit?.. Freedom is done and out the door unless you start to wake up

It's a very angry - cheesed off looking alien, as if he's come all the way from the draco to put down a crop circle or two only to turn around and find he's left his fags at home.

[deca]

Yeah in most cases I think its the military,Think about it they don`t mind all these scientist and other folk with scanners,equipment camp out in some field in the middles of nowhere scratching there head woundring when ET going to show.So they can go back to frying our brains and spying in our towns and citys.
It would also be easy to monitor people curious or investigating these events.
I think the police a few years ago made out UFO was sighted in a field, and they waited for all the people with scanners listening to police bands to turn up and arrest them.

[romas]

It's amazing that people can't get to grips with videos being faked. A video is not proof, especially when lots of money is at stake. Didn't they do something with crop circles to do with Hollywood a while back? I'm sure Hollywood would not have a problem producing a video of a flying saucer.



In all your posts you slander, albeit very gently, anyone who can accept an idea of ET being here, yet you are very certain about Illuminati, an occult based society? Can you say hypocrisy? You think they can't sell movies based on that story?

Whenever you ask proof you don't accept anything you get, yet you have 0 proof yourself, when we talked about science and new ideas you didn't know some of people I mentioned, you just brushed them off as insignificant, what makes your view significant at all?

[romas]

doesnt anyone find that to be a little over the top? As if an intergalactic entity would find it amusing to draw an image of himself? This is a hoax. full stop. Someone in the big chair got a little overzealous and is making a joke. There he is. You "grey alien" master, helper, harvester...:rolleyes:

LOL . that circle to the side is probably where he messed up and had cover up the bad hand drawing... What a joke

YOu people are falling for this shit?.. Freedom is done and out the door unless you start to wake up



Who determines what is over the top? You? Or did your parents formed that for you? Maybe question some things bit deeper, where is that your own preception comes from.
You need to wake up yourself from your own belief system and stop pasting the waking up message, we're not exactly at the Bush support party here, it's little stupid to do it on a David Icke forum.
If you don't believe it it's fine, but stop trying to bend people over to your own fucked up belief system, getting sick of this ego stroking.

[deca]

Why would Aliens make them? surly they would hack our communications systems TV,radios ect or broadcast straight to our brains,They have ment to have abducted many humans so they know how we work?
check out http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/c130_commando_solo.htm
With the capability to control the electronic spectrum of radio, television, and military communication bands in a focused area
These are just a distraction from whats really going on if you ask me.maybe they are a few unknown ones?
Also think about it a lazer pointed at the moon from earth will have a 12-14 miles footprint on the surface of
moon, so its closer than that satellite or haarp type devise if you ask me

[thirdwave]

Why would Aliens make them?

Quite simply to leave us messages... to put create the impacted that crop circles have actually done.

they are not going to come down and land in a beer garden that's quite clear... but obviously nothing to stop them throwing a few pebbles to get a few peoples attention.




surly they would hack our communications systems TV,radios ect or broadcast straight to our brains,They have ment to have abducted many humans so they know how we work?
check out http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/c130_commando_solo.htm

If they wanted to force them selves into this planet then maybe they could do just what you say.... but its clear this is not the case... if out "Govenment" wont welcome them for obvious reasons and most people would trust and back the government's views on them bases on ignorance... then what are the ETEs to do?

also you really cant generalise their motives bases on what has happened with a few as there could be many agendas out their... are likely is.


These are just a distraction from whats really going on if you ask me.maybe they are a few unknown ones?
we did chat a little about this and I have to say I don't see it... I dont think the government want us to believe they have been lying to us about ETEs for years and years... I don't think they want us to know they have hidden free energy from us all this time... and most of all I dont think it even works as a distraction, because i was researching UFOs and its what lead me to the NWO... there is no way people are going to be distracted from the NWO because they find out the instigators of the NWO also hide ETE intelligence from us...


Also think about it a lazer pointed at the moon from earth will have a 12-14 miles footprint on the surface of
moon, so its closer than that satellite or haarp type devise if you ask me

oh i have no doubt that the military has the methods of doing this stuff... its just I dont see how that debunks any of the ETE stuff.... they probably got the tech from ETE intelligence of being inspired by them...

It would explain why in the last 150 years or so Man kind has rocketed forward.


Iv always believed there are Aliens up there anyway... its not all the stuff on the internet that has convinced me.... its just confirmed my belief more.

[romas]

Why would Aliens make them? surly they would hack our communications systems TV,radios ect or broadcast straight to our brains,They have ment to have abducted many humans so they know how we work?
check out http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/c130_commando_solo.htm




Why do you base their tech on our own? Movies like Independence day got you?
Hacking satellites is something Chinese could do and sounds a lot more terrestrial than printing information stuff without any evidence.
Anyways even if they hacked in, would you believe something like "HELLO WERE ALIENS, WE LOVES YOU!" on your morning radio?




These are just a distraction from whats really going on if you ask me.maybe they are a few unknown ones?



Possibly, but it makes it just as important, because we need to know THE SOURCE in either case.
Yes I want to meet aliens and yes I want to go kick whoever is fooling with our brains faking aliens. I'm not blind believer.



Also think about it a lazer pointed at the moon from earth will have a 12-14 miles footprint on the surface of
moon, so its closer than that satellite or haarp type devise if you ask me


You know all these super military tech stories are just as credible as aliens and demons, because we have no absolute proof.

To me this whole charade looks like some people pick what to believe in, like Hey! I'll believe in Pinocchio(obviously some one could develope a wooden effin cyborg!), but I refuse believe in such nonsense as Little Red Riding Hood, because animals can't talk!

[thetonic]

Who determines what is over the top? You? Or did your parents formed that for you? Maybe question some things bit deeper, where is that your own preception comes from.
You need to wake up yourself from your own belief system and stop pasting the waking up message, we're not exactly at the Bush support party here, it's little stupid to do it on a David Icke forum.
If you don't believe it it's fine, but stop trying to bend people over to your own fucked up belief system, getting sick of this ego stroking.


:rolleyes:
You got me bent over a barrel buddy !!!http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47WC59YUCsU&feature=related

[deca]

Why do you base their tech on our own? Movies like Independence day got you?

Nope I am a victim of DEWS direct energy weapons for over 4 years. I know that these are more advanced than they are letting on.
Take microwave hearing discovered by accident around end of the second world war by people walking infront of radar......hmm when did they admit radar or did they let the "carrots help us see in the dark" myth run for a while.
now they admit microwave hearing can transmit voice.Instead of clicks and hisses that they have claimed for years.


Its just the idea that aliens would zoom around and use fields of crops as A4 paper, why not lazer it in stone on a montain and leave a periment maker.
I am not into the aliens or crop circles more worried and concerend about what man does to his fallow man, I am not going to sit around a wait for the ""nice" aliens to save me or that is some message we need to recieve.
If we can`t figure out how to live on this planet in peace by ourselves then its our fault, we need real change.
I have read somewhere that digital camras can pick up some direct energy and cause optical effects

[thirdwave]

Its just the idea that aliens would zoom around and use fields of crops as A4 paper, why not lazer it in stone on a montain and leave a periment maker.

...does it matter?

they chose to do it on a crop, and in fact some of the circles are un damaged and the crops can still be harvested after... this would indicate that they don't actually want to damage anything on our planet... or indeed leave a permanent mark.... (yet anyway)

its a very handy way for them to do it as its over a large bit of space where they will get the space to do it un seen... leaving no real damage but being able to create fantastic art that gets the attention it wants.... marking is stone would never be as impressive... and would not be able to do what the crop circles do.

and if you think that the military do them, then why are they not doing it on stone and leaving permanent marks?


I am not into the aliens or crop circles more worried and concerend about what man does to his fallow man,

knowledge is a very important ingredient for man. and it enables them to grow .... if ETEs are here and the government are hiding what they have done in history and what they are doing today then to say we should ignore it and focus on our behaviour is like saying lets forget about looking for something to eat and work out where we are going to take a dump.

and the fact that man kind do miss behave so much raises lots of questions and I think ETEs may have some answers. ETEs are not a distraction in the slightest... they are infact a highlight and highlight just how fucked we have been and how much work we have to do. the first thing being is understanding that

a, we are not the only beings in the universe and hence no where near the smartest.... and b, this world is not ours... its the universes.



I am not going to sit around a wait for the ""nice" aliens to save me or that is some message we need to recieve.
this comment comes up allot... yet I dont know anyone who is claiming good aliens are going to come down and save us.... Tsarion...Icke....Maxwell, Wilcock.... and I can go on.... none of them think this... and personally its not something I believe...

although I am always open minded as you or I don't really know.

I think they are just close by ready for if the shit hits the fan... then you are going to see UFOs.

you are going by a few cheesy money making websites on line.....

If we can`t figure out how to live on this planet in peace by ourselves then its our fault, we need real change.

Very true....


I have read somewhere that digital camras can pick up some direct energy and cause optical effects
and i am totally not surprised if they do have this kind of thing.

But note what I underlined in your post....
there is info written everywhere and we can all read it.... but the bottom line is what we are able and prepared to believe.

[deca]

I am not agaist alien life ok, I don`t think man is the only intellgent life form.
I have thought maybe mankind is alien or some kind of halfbreed ok.
I have not looked into this, and don`t have the time. To me the crop circles look like been don by DEW ok, Why I have a few theorys , To test overthe radar like Haarp/ satililes and leave a mark in a small area that can be verified by eye and not just by electronics. Also might be a calling card to let other countrys know you have the same capabilitys, and as I said before a distraction and to get scientest/hobbiests to studdy fields with EMF equipment instead of our inner citys.You have to realise the Silent wars that goes on with this type of technology

[deca]

But note what I underlined in your post....
there is info written everywhere and we can all read it.... but the bottom line is what we are able and prepared to believe.


Yep if I find the link I will post it, but digital cameras are more known to pick up orb type effects
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/orbs.htm
Orbs are a phenomenon that appear on photographs taken by digital cameras. Digital cameras work on infrared and it is this feature that allows the camera to pick up these odd balls of light which are known as 'orbs'. Many sceptics would have you believe that orbs are simply particles of dust, hair or something similar which is illuminated by the cameras flash and we have to agree with this theory in some cases. However, through our investigations, we have come to recognise the difference between dust particles and proper orbs. Later this article we explain and demonstrate the differences.

Not were I heard about digtal cameras and direct energy, think it was a TI who had taken some odd photos and claimed it showed direct energy.
might of been in a video.

[thirdwave]

I am not agaist alien life ok, I don`t think man is the only intellgent life form.
I have thought maybe mankind is alien or some kind of halfbreed ok.
I have not looked into this, and don`t have the time. To me the crop circles look like been don by DEW ok, Why I have a few theorys , To test overthe radar like Haarp/ satililes and leave a mark in a small area that can be verified by eye and not just by electronics. Also might be a calling card to let other countrys know you have the same capabilitys, and as I said before a distraction and to get scientest/hobbiests to studdy fields with EMF equipment instead of our inner citys.You have to realise the Silent wars that goes on with this type of technology

Im not disagreeing with you regarding the technology... i think you are right and are you are probably very well researched in that area... but its just I dont see why if we have it why ETEs dont also have it and cant use it.... we are showing just how much amazing possibilities there are.... we can only assume that there are ETEs out there that can do it ten fold.

[thetonic]

...does it matter?






knowledge is a very important ingredient for man. and it enables them to grow .... if ETEs are here and the government are hiding what they have done in history and what they are doing today then to say we should ignore it and focus on our behaviour is like saying lets forget about looking for something to eat and work out where we are going to take a dump.

and the fact that man kind do miss behave so much raises lots of questions and I think ETEs may have some answers. ETEs are not a distraction in the slightest... they are infact a highlight and highlight just how fucked we have been and how much work we have to do. the first thing being is understanding that

a, we are not the only beings in the universe and hence no where near the smartest.... and b, this world is not ours... its the universes.
[/B]


Ok. fine once we have this understanding that we arent the only beings in the universe, then can we please move on to somehting more poductive like banning toxic chemicals in food? Or how about no flouride in the water? Or maybe the crashing of currency and panic destined to unleased by the world bankers?...Or maybe the RFID chip, or mandatory vaccinations?... I can think of 800 things that have priority over knowing whether or not grey aliens exist,yet none of them are being actively pursued because people are too distracted with ley lines and chakras...

Can we come together and take care of those issues now that we have established we may not be the only beings in the universe?:rolleyes:


[QUOTE]I think they are just close by ready for if the shit hits the fan... then you are going to see UFOs.


Why? WHy would you think this? Does this line of thinking benefit anyone? So what if I see UFOs everyday? THey dont come talk to me, they just fly around at mach speeds... WTF should anyone care if they see a UFO, people see them all the time anyway...



.... but the bottom line is what we are able and prepared to believe.

Thats not the bottom line. People in Hiroshima may not have believed in atomic bombs but they still got fried by one...

[thetonic]

Im not disagreeing with you regarding the technology... i think you are right and are you are probably very well researched in that area... but its just I dont see why if we have it why ETEs dont also have it and cant use it.... we are showing just how much amazing possibilities there are.... we can only assume that there are ETEs out there that can do it ten fold.



To quote your previous response to deca.. "DOES IT MATTER?"

[romas]

Nope I am a victim of DEWS direct energy weapons for over 4 years. I know that these are more advanced than they are letting on.
Take microwave hearing discovered by accident around end of the second world war by people walking infront of radar......hmm when did they admit radar or did they let the "carrots help us see in the dark" myth run for a while.
now they admit microwave hearing can transmit voice.Instead of clicks and hisses that they have claimed for years.


Look bro I'm not trying to prove or make you believe in aliens, I'm pointing out that you have a preset belief system based on school, tv, parents, whatever.
Response like "Aliens would do this and that" show that people have preset template on how aliens would go about stuff.

It's like watching religious zealots telling people how they should go about life, because those zealots have been so brainwashed into their religion, they can't see any other way.

If I was under so called "common belief system" I would shun you off as a nutcase, I mean after all who in the streets would believe military is after you with magical weapons, see where I'm coming from?

We're in this shit because of this common belief system and it's really hard to break, it's like an implant, you have to break something to remove it.

[romas]

[QUOTE]
Ok. fine once we have this understanding that we arent the only beings in the universe, then can we please move on to somehting more poductive like banning toxic chemicals in food? Or how about no flouride in the water? Or maybe the crashing of currency and panic destined to unleased by the world bankers?...Or maybe the RFID chip, or mandatory vaccinations?... I can think of 800 things that have priority over knowing whether or not grey aliens exist,yet none of them are being actively pursued because people are too distracted with ley lines and chakras...

Can we come together and take care of those issues now that we have established we may not be the only beings in the universe?:rolleyes:


Of course, that's why we're here, though being a hippie anti corporate it's hard to physically do something meaningful, we're spreading info though :)

As far as ETE's how do you know they have nothing to do with what is going on? Maybe they did some vile deeds, like David Icke says eh? :p
Just because it's not obvious doesn't mean it's not out there, planing your future ;)

You act like peeps on the street, you know. They have no idea about NWO agenda, they want to know what you are gonna do about some mundane shit, like voting or seeking career and a bigger house. NWO for them is likea fairy tale, something out meaningless there, for hippies to care about.

[thirdwave]

[QUOTE]


Ok. fine once we have this understanding that we arent the only beings in the universe, then can we please move on to somehting more poductive like banning toxic chemicals in food? Or how about no flouride in the water? Or maybe the crashing of currency and panic destined to unleased by the world bankers?...Or maybe the RFID chip, or mandatory vaccinations?... I can think of 800 things that have priority over knowing whether or not grey aliens exist,yet none of them are being actively pursued because people are too distracted with ley lines and chakras...

Can we come together and take care of those issues now that we have established we may not be the only beings in the universe?:rolleyes:


for YOU maybe.... but for me your comments are just ignorent and on par with monty python....

Feel free have a debate about what rooms we should be in as the titanic sinks! (as tsarion would put it). Yep, as long as we go down healthy and with good teeth then its all good!

its very clear that the problem with this word is education, understanding of reality.... and as Icke would put the state peoples beliefs systems are in, which makes them VERY easy to control.

don't think that people drink aspartame because they don't know its bad...or drink fluoride because they don't know... many people have been told but ignore it as rubbish and just put their trust in the government and other authorities...... we are told that Mc Donalds is shite but does it stop people? ..no, because they don't give a shit and there is not enough substance to their lives TOO give a shit... and they are to lazy to change.. not sure what reward there would be because they don't believe there is anything more than their shit lives and the few who get lucky an get what they want ... and in some cases peoples ok lives that they have managed to work hard for... They also are not aware of how certain things can damage you because they are not even sure those things are "real".. we are just living meat.

The PTB have hidden this knowledge for years so they could build civilisations on fake religions...start wars with them ... and create a race with its beliefs and values based on the info they have been given and not the truth.... and until this word understands the truth and our real history (which believe it or not has got us to where we are now and is quite important)

Today we have many abduction stories and the fact that the government are hiding them... and hiding technology that could save peoples lives today.... and we should ignore it?

Not to mention the fact that if ETEs are observing our earth then you may want to forget about it a focus on tooth paste, tap water, and banking... then go for it....

I'm not saying that there are not other very relevant issues going on that need addressing to help people, But I just don't get this outlook some have when they say that the ETE/UFO info is a distraction???

How wrong can that be!.... the amount of QUESTIONS it raises... ENDLESS. The effect the info would have on the outlook on our civilisation is HUGE .... and the picture it paints of our government and military structure leaves gaping holes for people to ask more and more questions...

the thought that it stops people thinking is a joke IMO.

in order for this world to be saved we have got to stop playing the game with the "illuminatis" ball, they take it back when ever the feel like it and they have built it to suit their game.... we need to find a new ball and we are not going to find it in the zoo they have created for us... because they have not put one there.




Why? WHy would you think this? Does this line of thinking benefit anyone? So what if I see UFOs everyday? THey dont come talk to me, they just fly around at mach speeds... WTF should anyone care if they see a UFO, people see them all the time anyway...


1, because it makes sence to me
2, because I have researched many sources who go into it all and its the conclusion i have wamred to most...

does that line of thinking benefit?? Yes it does benefit... because what it does is it creates a bigger picture for people to look at and understand... rather than them be in a tiny box where there is not an awful lot that makes sense.... by design of course.

Like I say, if you want to ignore UFOs and ETEs having played a part in our history that has desperately tried to be hidden from us and that there is stacks of evidence to show they are doing it again.... then feel free to ignore it.... but to assume others should do the same is a no no... because I am very much paying attention to it.. keeping my eyes and mind way open.


what you are really saying is.... If these ETEs are fucking us real good, then lets just not worry about it let them get on with it and don't even bother to try and learn more about them and there agenda.... and just make sure that our Zoo treats us a little better.



:rolleyes:

[deca]

I'm pointing out that you have a preset belief system based on school, tv, parents, whatever.

Not anymore , I used to ok when I became a Target indivual of mind control & electronic harassment it sort of kick me down the rabit whole head first ok.

I have been sectioned under the mental health act several times for talking about my believes ok only since I was a TI 4years ago. The can`t find any mental disorder with me, or any reason thats way I am a free man and under no mental act or medication ok
I have been there got the T shirt.
I don`t have the "holywood" alien thinking far from it.
I am 37 years old devorced,father of 8 year old daughter, have a morgage on a 3 bedroom house, and a job. Not some lone nut sat infront of a pc googling conspircy websites all day.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE=thetonic;356836]


Of course, that's why we're here, though being a hippie anti corporate it's hard to physically do something meaningful, we're spreading info though :)

As far as ETE's how do you know they have nothing to do with what is going on? Maybe they did some vile deeds, like David Icke says eh? :p
Just because it's not obvious doesn't mean it's not out there, planing your future ;)

You act like peeps on the street, you know. They have no idea about NWO agenda, they want to know what you are gonna do about some mundane shit, like voting or seeking career and a bigger house. NWO for them is likea fairy tale, something out meaningless there, for hippies to care about.


Youve never met me. Dont tell me what I act like.

Mundane? I guess you enjoy your labomizing flouride drinks then:rolleyes:

[romas]

[QUOTE=romas;356853]


Youve never met me. Dont tell me what I act like.

Mundane? I guess you enjoy your labomizing flouride drinks then:rolleyes:


I've never tried them, there are other countries apart from USA you know? :p
And yes it's mundane either way.

[romas]

I am 37 years old devorced,father of 8 year old daughter, have a morgage on a 3 bedroom house, and a job. Not some lone nut sat infront of a pc googling conspircy websites all day.


Ahem... :p


Nope I am a victim of DEWS direct energy weapons for over 4 years. I know that these are more advanced than they are letting on.


You guys should drop the hypocracy, this is getting rediculous ;)

Besides, nobody cares about other peoples kids, 3 bedroom house and morgage, their your problems/joys, because you created them.
Outdated belief system.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE][QUOTE=thirdwave;356854][QUOTE=thetonic;356836]

for YOU maybe.... but for me your comments are just ignorent and on par with monty python....


Ignorant no. Monty Python? Love it.


Feel free have a debate about what rooms we should be in as the titanic sinks! (as tsarion would put it). Yep, as long as we go down healthy and with good teeth then its all good!

How this comment even relates to what i was discussing i cant quite see.

its very clear that the problem with this word is education, understanding of reality.... and as Icke would put the state peoples beliefs systems are in, which makes them VERY easy to control.


Yes education is a huge part of the dumbing down and control.


don't think that people drink aspartame because they don't know its bad...or drink fluoride because they don't know... many people have been told but ignore it as rubbish and just put their trust in the government and other authorities...... we are told that Mc Donalds is shite but does it stop people? ..no, because they don't give a shit and there is not enough substance to their lives TOO give a shit... and they are to lazy to change.. not sure what reward there would be because they don't believe there is anything more than their shit lives and the few who get lucky an get what they want ... and in some cases peoples ok lives that they have managed to work hard for... They also are not aware of how certain things can damage you because they are not even sure those things are "real".. we are just living meat.


Youre assuming an awful lot here, especially about other peooples lives. Maybe they know , but cant afford to eat organic foods. Or maybe they dont know. In fact i would say the majority has no idea about these things.

You really view yourself as just living meat?:rolleyes:


The PTB have hidden this knowledge for years so they could build civilisations on fake religions...start wars with them ... and create a race with its beliefs and values based on the info they have been given and not the truth.... and until this word understands the truth and our real history (which believe it or not has got us to where we are now and is quite important)

History is important. But youre not going to know the truth until we usurp the power from the ones that have it now. They hold all knowledge, they know the truth of our history. Everyone ive seen today attempt to explain ancient, ancient history is speculating at best. No exceptions.

Today we have many abduction stories and the fact that the government are hiding them... and hiding technology that could save peoples lives today.... and we should ignore it?


If you think the government is hididing abduction stories then you are well well confused my son. The CIA publishes UFO magazine as well as numerous other "fringe" publications and radio (Coast to Coast)(art bell proven freemason)

Not to mention the fact that if ETEs are observing our earth then you may want to forget about it a focus on tooth paste, tap water, and banking... then go for it....

If you have any proof of this then pleas bring it to the table. otherwise stfu and focus on the toothpaste and tapwater please. Yes i would rather focus on things that affect my daily health and mind as opposed to whether or not an aliens skin is grey or dark green:rolleyes:


I'm not saying that there are not other very relevant issues going on that need addressing to help people, But I just don't get this outlook some have when they say that the ETE/UFO info is a distraction???


you dont think these people have mastered every distraction in the book? You need understand that distraction is the name of the game. What do you think movies are for?

How wrong can that be!.... the amount of QUESTIONS it raises... ENDLESS. The effect the info would have on the outlook on our civilisation is HUGE .... and the picture it paints of our government and military structure leaves gaping holes for people to ask more and more questions...

the thought that it stops people thinking is a joke IMO.


It doesnt stop people from thinking, it stops them from thinking about the NOW and what matters RIGHT NOW.

in order for this world to be saved we have got to stop playing the game with the "illuminatis" ball, they take it back when ever the feel like it and they have built it to suit their game.... we need to find a new ball and we are not going to find it in the zoo they have created for us... because they have not put one there.


I think id rather stop playing this game altogether than find a new ball:rolleyes:


1, because it makes sence to me
2, because I have researched many sources who go into it all and its the conclusion i have wamred to most...

does that line of thinking benefit?? Yes it does benefit... because what it does is it creates a bigger picture for people to look at and understand... rather than them be in a tiny box where there is not an awful lot that makes sense.... by design of course.

Like I say, if you want to ignore UFOs and ETEs having played a part in our history that has desperately tried to be hidden from us and that there is stacks of evidence to show they are doing it again.... then feel free to ignore it.... but to assume others should do the same is a no no... because I am very much paying attention to it.. keeping my eyes and mind way open.


I dont want to ignore the possibility that ET has some part to play in our existience , just that it really does nothing for me to speculate about this issue. It solves nothing. It proves nothing. It accomplishes ZERO. If you think you are going to solve the puzzle and change the world with this line of thinking then you are doomed im afraid.

what you are really saying is.... If these ETEs are fucking us real good, then lets just not worry about it let them get on with it and don't even bother to try and learn more about them and there agenda.... and just make sure that our Zoo treats us a little better.



Last i checked ET was not fucking me. Last i checked the governmetn was fucking me in the ass well good, and its starting to hurt. I would like that to stop asap, and me blathering about ALIENS is in no way ever going to make that happen.

[thetonic]

[QUOTE=thetonic;356858]


I've never tried them, there are other countries apart from USA you know? :p
And yes it's mundane either way.

You are owned by european bankers and that to you is mundane?.. Hopeless

[romas]

[QUOTE=romas;356864]

You are owned by european bankers and that to you is mundane?.. Hopeless


Yep, what do you suggest "doing" then?
They own you to btw together with the rest of USA :p

[marpat]

How do you account for this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDidNzQ12ZY


Nifty:cool:


That video has been proved a fake

[romas]

That video has been proved a fake


Where?

[marpat]

Where?

I watched a documentary about it where it was deeply scrutinised. The guy who supposedly took the footage was a graphics artist who has his own graphics studio and all the equipment to make such a video.

[thirdwave]

[QUOTE]




How this comment even relates to what i was discussing i cant quite see.

it means that you only want to worry about things that a currently on your table but do not want to step back and see a bigger picture....



Yes education is a huge part of the dumbing down and control.
Yes ignorance is easier to control.... and what do you think the reality of ETEs being real and relevant would do to the world?




Youre assuming an awful lot here, especially about other peooples lives. Maybe they know , but cant afford to eat organic foods. Or maybe they dont know. In fact i would say the majority has no idea about these things.

IM assuming?? boy oh boy....

first of all aspartame is banned in some countries and new has come out that sweeteners and colourings are bad for people.. this is why some brands put "no artificial colourings or preservative's.... or no sweeteners.... the reason most doint care is because they cant really see why a government would want to put so much shit in the food and drink.... if you are going to try and wake people up then they are going to need to hear the truth... the whole truth, because it normally adds up and makes sense...

I bet you if people where asking me questions.... Why this.... why that... why this...why that, I could go on allot longer than you could.. because you have a limited belief system so there for you will come to many dead ends where you would just have to ask people to except ignorance from then on. although I wont have all the answers there would certainly be no dead ends...



and so on...

You really view yourself as just living meat?:rolleyes:

No I dont I was saying what THEY think they are.... of course this is not what I think and my hole point says otherwise...

anything that is outside of this planet of our 5 sense reality is in the dark... looked at as not real, and this is why the world is a prison with extreme ignorance... what's in this 3D planet is not even a speck compared to what else is out there..


History is important. But youre not going to know the truth until we usurp the power from the ones that have it now. They hold all knowledge, they know the truth of our history. Everyone ive seen today attempt to explain ancient, ancient history is speculating at best. No exceptions.

In your opinion, I have seen more than enough decent research to show what has gone down in our history and if not so many sacred sites and texts had been destroyed there would have been more...

and of course the elite need exposing... and anything they are doing wrong needs exposing... but you wont find me banging on at others what to push and not what to push..

NPT people... fine get on with it... PT people fine get on with it....

I can have my view but the way I see it, any lies the government are saying needs to be exposed... and to brush of the UFO and ETE thing is crazy IMO.

there is far more facts that prove it to be very real than facts that debunk it.... and I dont for a second fall for the latest attempts of trying to say its all military and made up.... I do not only think that's not true but its actually quite predictable and not surprising..



If you think the government is hididing abduction stories then you are well well confused my son. The CIA publishes UFO magazine as well as numerous other "fringe" publications and radio (Coast to Coast)(art bell proven freemason)

well you see that comment brought lots of questions to my mind...

first of all I dont think they do publish the magazines and I would be interested to find out how you came to that conclusion... second of all if the CIA did get involved in one it would only be because there were allready lots out there....

you guys seem to think that as soon as the CIA of who ever puts there hands on somthing then it is no longer credible.... now, if you think about it you would be making life very easy for them !!

I mean blimey, "sir... the people have brought out a magazine about abductions! what shall we do!!??" ....." eeerrr, just put another one out!"

job done.


If you think the military want people to know they are ignoring and hiding these abduction stories then YOU are the one who needs to have a re think.

you have nothing to base that on other than web pages scattered on google making you think that.... attacking your belief system.


If you have any proof of this then pleas bring it to the table. otherwise stfu and focus on the toothpaste and tapwater please. Yes i would rather focus on things that affect my daily health and mind as opposed to whether or not an aliens skin is grey or dark green:rolleyes:


well then go and focus on them!!, but stop getting the shits every time others talk about them...

I would not waste my time on seceptics who cleary dont want to belive its true... trying to put evidence to them... any evidence put forward is simply brushed away by you as NASA or the military putting it there on perpose!

so is there really a way to convince you?? ..of course not, you are provided with more than enough to keep you in your place.

but more to the point, there is a mass of info out there telling us they are real.... it is You who chooses to come up with theories that say they are actually not true... so its YOU who needs to put the evidence down.



you dont think these people have mastered every distraction in the book? You need understand that distraction is the name of the game. What do you think movies are for?

I know what the movies are for... and I know they use distractions... but saying that they are useing ETEs and UFOs as a distraction.. would be a crap idea... would not work (is not working)

the only distraction they have used is to create ETE films so that people like you see them as fantasy and not fact.

they have detracted away from ETEs for years and years and years.... now in the last 10 years or so its been pushed more... all of a sudden they are pushing it as a lie... well why not when roswell came out??.... why not push it them rather than brush it under the mat?... if they wanted us to believe in them they could have made it a very realistic subject a long time ago.

and why would they make them selves out to be complete villans against humanity lying about out history and about technology that can save lives... as a method of distracting us away from seeing other bad things they are up to...
:rolleyes:

you guys get mixed up when they do things to distract the fact they have know about ETEs for a very very long time... you know they are masters of distraction yet when you read that the CIA makes the ETE mags you have got your evidence!
:rolleyes:



It doesnt stop people from thinking, it stops them from thinking about the NOW and what matters RIGHT NOW.

rubbish.... total hog wash, this is you picking that up from thin air.. not only is there not a speck of info or substance to that comment but it also makes no sence.... ETE and UFO subjects VERY MUCH makes people think about the now... and shows people about the zoo we live in....

it makes people look at EVERYTHING different ....

explain to me how me believing that ETEs are relevant to the NWO is taking my attention away from the things going on as a result?


I think id rather stop playing this game altogether than find a new ball:rolleyes:


well this is what most people think and its no supirse seeing as no one really wins..... but life is about playing ball and my point is it can be more fulfilling when the game is not rigged.



I dont want to ignore the possibility that ET has some part to play in our existience , just that it really does nothing for me to speculate about this issue. It solves nothing. It proves nothing. It accomplishes ZERO. If you think you are going to solve the puzzle and change the world with this line of thinking then you are doomed im afraid.


just because we do not have a fine print of all the details going on it does not mean we should not educate our selves as best we can.... what if someone's son or daughter was faced with a grey? ... what would you tell them.... they are crazy?

what about the talk of a fake invasion? ... is it not handy to throw that info about?

all info should be pushed and the UFO movement is stacked to the brim on info worth knowing about... knowledge is power at any level...

and you also miss the point and something Icke always tries to put across and often gets misunderstood...

It is not healthy for people to find it so hard to believe that ETEs are around....its not healthy for peoples believes systems to be so programmed.

I think showing people that ETEs are not fantasy but actually reality.. is a massive change in man kinds evolution.... it may mean nothing to you but it does me and many others...

so you want to ignore them.... why?, you think they just come here to check out some soccer games and to try a big mac?






Last i checked ET was not fucking me. Last i checked the governmetn was fucking me in the ass well good, and its starting to hurt.

Well I dont really see anyone trying to defend the govenment ..... far from it *scratching my head*

No, the ETEs dont speak on Sky News...


I would like that to stop asap, and me blathering about ALIENS is in no way ever going to make that happen.
If you want to do a good job in the garden then you got to dig out the roots ... if you just cut the weeds they will grow back bigger and thicker.

if you think the NWO is just all about aspartame and fluoride and greedy banking then good luck to you...

it is deep rooted, goes back a long long time and is created by people with far more knowledge than us and who do not mind fucking your arse because they don't think you are the same species as them. and the reason the NWO is here today is they are afraid they will no longer be able to sustain that power.

[thirdwave]

I watched a documentary about it where it was deeply scrutinised. The guy who supposedly took the footage was a graphics artist who has his own graphics studio and all the equipment to make such a video.

lol, first of all lots of things can be "proven" fake... it does not mean they are.... I am more than open to the fact this vid could be real...

i think I also saw that vid you are talking about and if you are to believe it all then yes we can call it a debunk....but I have also heard that the person who originally handed over the vid was never spoken to as he never came forward again and instead 2 other people claimed to have filmed it...only for a few weeks later to admit to hoaxing it...

another thing was that the crop circle did actually appear that morning.. so who ever created it would have had to found the circle before anyone else... filmed it and handed it over...

the actual footage has not been proven to be fake at all... its just that the two people who apparently took the video have admitted to making it with film trickery.... and the other guy has never come forward again.

my question is to the debunkers.... Why if this stuff can be created so easy...then why don't the military make one that cant be debunked and really create a stir!?

[thetonic]

[QUOTE=thetonic;356873]

it means that you only want to worry about things that a currently on your table but do not want to step back and see a bigger picture....




Yes ignorance is easier to control.... and what do you think the reality of ETEs being real and relevant would do to the world?






IM assuming?? boy oh boy....

first of all aspartame is banned in some countries and new has come out that sweeteners and colourings are bad for people.. this is why some brands put "no artificial colourings or preservative's.... or no sweeteners.... the reason most doint care is because they cant really see why a government would want to put so much shit in the food and drink.... if you are going to try and wake people up then they are going to need to hear the truth... the whole truth, because it normally adds up and makes sense...

I bet you if people where asking me questions.... Why this.... why that... why this...why that, I could go on allot longer than you could.. because you have a limited belief system so there for you will come to many dead ends where you would just have to ask people to except ignorance from then on. although I wont have all the answers there would certainly be no dead ends...




No I dont I was saying what THEY think they are.... of course this is not what I think and my hole point says otherwise...

anything that is outside of this planet of our 5 sense reality is in the dark... looked at as not real, and this is why the world is a prison with extreme ignorance... what's in this 3D planet is not even a speck compared to what else is out there..




In your opinion, I have seen more than enough decent research to show what has gone down in our history and if not so many sacred sites and texts had been destroyed there would have been more...

and of course the elite need exposing... and anything they are doing wrong needs exposing... but you wont find me banging on at others what to push and not what to push..

NPT people... fine get on with it... PT people fine get on with it....

I can have my view but the way I see it, any lies the government are saying needs to be exposed... and to brush of the UFO and ETE thing is crazy IMO.

there is far more facts that prove it to be very real than facts that debunk it.... and I dont for a second fall for the latest attempts of trying to say its all military and made up.... I do not only think that's not true but its actually quite predictable and not surprising..





well you see that comment brought lots of questions to my mind...

first of all I dont think they do publish the magazines and I would be interested to find out how you came to that conclusion... second of all if the CIA did get involved in one it would only be because there were allready lots out there....

you guys seem to think that as soon as the CIA of who ever puts there hands on somthing then it is no longer credible.... now, if you think about it you would be making life very easy for them !!

I mean blimey, "sir... the people have brought out a magazine about abductions! what shall we do!!??" ....." eeerrr, just put another one out!"

job done.


If you think the military want people to know they are ignoring and hiding these abduction stories then YOU are the one who needs to have a re think.

you have nothing to base that on other than web pages scattered on google making you think that.... attacking your belief system.



well then go and focus on them!!, but stop getting the shits every time others talk about them...

I would not waste my time on seceptics who cleary dont want to belive its true... trying to put evidence to them... any evidence put forward is simply brushed away by you as NASA or the military putting it there on perpose!

so is there really a way to convince you?? ..of course not, you are provided with more than enough to keep you in your place.

but more to the point, there is a mass of info out there telling us they are real.... it is You who chooses to come up with theories that say they are actually not true... so its YOU who needs to put the evidence down.





I know what the movies are for... and I know they use distractions... but saying that they are useing ETEs and UFOs as a distraction.. would be a crap idea... would not work (is not working)

the only distraction they have used is to create ETE films so that people like you see them as fantasy and not fact.

they have detracted away from ETEs for years and years and years.... now in the last 10 years or so its been pushed more... all of a sudden they are pushing it as a lie... well why not when roswell came out??.... why not push it them rather than brush it under the mat?... if they wanted us to believe in them they could have made it a very realistic subject a long time ago.

and why would they make them selves out to be complete villans against humanity lying about out history and about technology that can save lives... as a method of distracting us away from seeing other bad things they are up to...
:rolleyes:

you guys get mixed up when they do things to distract the fact they have know about ETEs for a very very long time... you know they are masters of distraction yet when you read that the CIA makes the ETE mags you have got your evidence!
:rolleyes:





rubbish.... total hog wash, this is you picking that up from thin air.. not only is there not a speck of info or substance to that comment but it also makes no sence.... ETE and UFO subjects VERY MUCH makes people think about the now... and shows people about the zoo we live in....

it makes people look at EVERYTHING different ....

explain to me how me believing that ETEs are relevant to the NWO is taking my attention away from the things going on as a result?




well this is what most people think and its no supirse seeing as no one really wins..... but life is about playing ball and my point is it can be more fulfilling when the game is not rigged.





just because we do not have a fine print of all the details going on it does not mean we should not educate our selves as best we can.... what if someone's son or daughter was faced with a grey? ... what would you tell them.... they are crazy?

what about the talk of a fake invasion? ... is it not handy to throw that info about?

all info should be pushed and the UFO movement is stacked to the brim on info worth knowing about... knowledge is power at any level...

and you also miss the point and something Icke always tries to put across and often gets misunderstood...

It is not healthy for people to find it so hard to believe that ETEs are around....its not healthy for peoples believes systems to be so programmed.

I think showing people that ETEs are not fantasy but actually reality.. is a massive change in man kinds evolution.... it may mean nothing to you but it does me and many others...

so you want to ignore them.... why?, you think they just come here to check out some soccer games and to try a big mac?







Well I dont really see anyone trying to defend the govenment ..... far from it *scratching my head*

No, the ETEs dont speak on Sky News...


If you want to do a good job in the garden then you got to dig out the roots ... if you just cut the weeds they will grow back bigger and thicker.

if you think the NWO is just all about aspartame and fluoride and greedy banking then good luck to you...

it is deep rooted, goes back a long long time and is created by people with far more knowledge than us and who do not mind fucking your arse because they don't think you are the same species as them. and the reason the NWO is here today is they are afraid they will no longer be able to sustain that power.

***Yawrn***

I cant believe i just read all that. I really dont have time to respond to all of your ridiculous doublethink, needless to say you have already outsmarted yourself

Ive been where your belief system is at ages ago, and progression has moved me past it.

I never said there arent aliens, just that you are missing the big picture.

Think what you want. Im tired of arguing with people about aliens, absolute waste of time.

[thirdwave]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLvq73TX94&feature=related

[kblood]

Some people just wont believe in aliens, even if they knocked on their front door and asked for a cup of sugar :D

I found it unrealistic that no aliens would have found Earth within the last 10.000 years or more. Also many of our ancient structures seems like they would have been impossible to build without advanced technology, instead of bronze tools or whatever they used. The way that we are told ancient pyramids and other kinds of temples and burial places were build, they would have to still be building on them to ever have them done.

Still, I dont blame people for not wanting to face that possibility. It does make life alot simpler to simple disregard anything that might prove aliens and focus on having a normal life.

By the way, there are something called QUIDs. Space money :) Seems some are preparing for space travel.

[thirdwave]

***Yawrn***

I cant believe i just read all that. I really dont have time to respond to all of your ridiculous doublethink, needless to say you have already outsmarted yourself

Ive been where your belief system is at ages ago, and progression has moved me past it.

I never said there arent aliens, just that you are missing the big picture.

Think what you want. Im tired of arguing with people about aliens, absolute waste of time.



lol, what a load of tripe.. I don't think you have anything left to say and I would fall for no illusion that you are actually more aware than others here.. no matter how loud you should it out.

and you are not replying because you know what they say? ... You cant turn shit into suger.... and its quite clear that its bullshit.

[marpat]

lol, first of all lots of things can be "proven" fake... it does not mean they are.... I am more than open to the fact this vid could be real...

i think I also saw that vid you are talking about and if you are to believe it all then yes we can call it a debunk....but I have also heard that the person who originally handed over the vid was never spoken to as he never came forward again and instead 2 other people claimed to have filmed it...only for a few weeks later to admit to hoaxing it...

another thing was that the crop circle did actually appear that morning.. so who ever created it would have had to found the circle before anyone else... filmed it and handed it over...

the actual footage has not been proven to be fake at all... its just that the two people who apparently took the video have admitted to making it with film trickery.... and the other guy has never come forward again.

my question is to the debunkers.... Why if this stuff can be created so easy...then why don't the military make one that cant be debunked and really create a stir!?


So what you are saying is that it is OK to accept the vid blindly as proof but when somebody discovers that a graphic artist with his own studio just happened to be filming the evnt by chance, that this is not supporting a good case against it?

You are just looking for excuses to blindly follow because you need to believe to fill an inner void. It is fake, live with it. Then again, believe what you want, it won't make it ture by your belief.

A crop circle appeared that morning. Wow, you don't think they they actually made the circle themselves and then use a morphing program to go from no circle to a competed circle, then superimposed a fake UFO. That would be just to easy.

Fucking hell you are just too naive.

[thetonic]

lol, what a load of tripe.. I don't think you have anything left to say and I would fall for no illusion that you are actually more aware than others here.. no matter how loud you should it out.

and you are not replying because you know what they say? ... You cant turn shit into suger.... and its quite clear that its bullshit.

like i said , i dont have time to go into it otherwise id turn all your silly little ideas upside down. Its not hard , ive seen loads of people tear down your pathetic arguments. Its a waste of time. If you want to read a load of tripe please refer to response #63,thanks...

Are you just trying to gode me into arguing? I already stated my opinions on the matter at hand.. Crop circle hoaxery. End of story. yay.

[thetonic]

Fucking hell you are just too naive.

Understatement of the year

[thirdwave]

So what you are saying is that it is OK to accept the vid blindly as proof but when somebody discovers that a graphic artist with his own studio just happened to be filming the evnt by chance, that this is not supporting a good case against it?

not saying anything of the sort... you are just cooking that up your self.


You are just looking for excuses to blindly follow because you need to believe to fill an inner void. It is fake, live with it.
I will belive what I choose to belive thank you and I choose to remain nutral as I dont think I have been given sufician info to make my mind up either side..

Then again, believe what you want, it won't make it ture by your belief.
Very true!... just as you cant make it false.

A crop circle appeared that morning. Wow, you don't think they they actually made the circle themselves and then use a morphing program to go from no circle to a competed circle, then superimposed a fake UFO. That would be just to easy.

maybe.

Fucking hell you are just too naive.

Im simply less processed than you are.....

[thirdwave]

like i said , i dont have time to go into it otherwise id turn all your silly little ideas upside down. Its not hard
you would find it impossible... because you are talking utter tripe... I am equpited with more facts, Historical and Present and more common sense!



ive seen loads of people tear down your pathetic arguments.
But right here and right now I have just spanked your back side and am happy to go a few more rounds with you... seeing as you are the one who is claiming to know what's going on I think you should start.


Its a waste of time. If you want to read a load of tripe please refer to response #63,thanks...

It is a waste of time trying to feed me bullshit yes.

Are you just trying to gode me into arguing? I already stated my opinions on the matter at hand.. Crop circle hoaxery. End of story. yay.

Im not goading any more than you are... Im just winning, like I have said... You have offered nothing to back up your claims other than try to imply Im stupid and not open minded , amazingly!
I think your theory on ETEs and UFOs is very weak and illogical I have stated my reasons and while doing so you have implied I am stupid... go back and read...


Well anyway, I better be careful as now I know all about how the government have been hiding ETEs from me all my and my family's life and also hiding super technology that can help me and all my friends, as well as hiding the fact the ETEs are doing tests on us while we sleep, It has kind of distracted me and I am going to just get on with my day job and stop nit picking at them and asking questions.... Im to busy thinking of them hiding ETEs from me! :rolleyes:

lol

[marpat]

Less processed? the conspiracy theorists last defence when they haven't got a clue. 'Oh you would believe me if you werent so conditioned oh'. You can't prove anything yet you try and dictate the truth acting as if you are privvy to some vast knowledge. Your desperation to believe in that fake vid just shows that you need a belief system to hang on to.

[thirdwave]

Less processed? the conspiracy theorists last defence when they haven't got a clue. 'Oh you would believe me if you werent so conditioned oh'.
Well of course, you are not going to say.... "ahhh yeah mate sorry about that I just cant do anything about it, its drilled right in there! lol

You can't prove anything
only to those who do not want to believe it .... I could hand you a dead ETE corps and you would just say it was a dead midget that had seriously fucked up plastic surgery lol.

yet you try and dictate the truth acting as if you are privvy to some vast knowledge.
lol, what a load of tripe and a simple flick through this thread is evidence for that! , nice try though.... dictate indeed :rolleyes:

I have noticed you try that shit quite allot... and your not even very good at hiding it.

Your desperation to believe in that fake vid just shows that you need a belief system to hang on to.
lol, desperation? .. you are looking pretty desperate mate, you keep banging on about that vid which I have clearly stated I am 50/50 on... yet you come out with a comment like "your desperate to believe in that fake vid". Its clear you are desperate for me to have your view on that vid.

I will say again for about the third time... I an not convinced its fake or real... I believe orbs are very real regardless of the vid... I believe some crop circles are not create by us regardless of the video... so think what you like about it and if you want to think im desperate to think its real then think that as well!!

:eek:

[romas]

I watched a documentary about it where it was deeply scrutinised. The guy who supposedly took the footage was a graphics artist who has his own graphics studio and all the equipment to make such a video.



Yeah supposedly, I mean why should I believe video and why should I believe debunkers? Neither proved shit.
Anything is possible to do now with relatively cheap CG, you could argue that video clips on FOX news are ALL fake.
Until there's strong evidence, in either case, people will choose what they want to believe in.

[romas]

Im tired of arguing with people about aliens, absolute waste of time.


Then don't? You're trying to super impose some kind off disappointment in aliens.
You have no proof at all to dispute the fact, believers at least have some half-arsed videos and it's more entertaining than watching downfall of our civilization.

[romas]

Less processed? the conspiracy theorists last defence when they haven't got a clue. 'Oh you would believe me if you werent so conditioned oh'. You can't prove anything yet you try and dictate the truth acting as if you are privvy to some vast knowledge. Your desperation to believe in that fake vid just shows that you need a belief system to hang on to.


LOL this is a major conspiracy forum if you haven't noticed yet ;)

[kblood]

Then don't? You're trying to super impose some kind off disappointment in aliens.
You have no proof at all to dispute the fact, believers at least have some half-arsed videos and it's more entertaining than watching downfall of our civilization.

Well said :) Having spoken with many influential people myself, I know there are conspiracies going on, although they are never that simple. Its not just about trying to depopulate the planet or control people. There is always much more to it like, personal agendas, helping loved ones, seeking vengeance, someone having lost ones way.

I like to try to help those I meet to get a better direction in life. If you do not like to believe in aliens, then fine, but please dont believe only in some kinds of doomsday theories or the world being only cold and dark. That only leads to a life of sadness and fear. With hope and love, its much easier to find the many ways of making a better life for everyone.

With or without the help of aliens ;):eek::D:p:cool:

[thirdwave]

Then don't? You're trying to super impose some kind off disappointment in aliens.
You have no proof at all to dispute the fact, believers at least have some half-arsed videos and it's more entertaining than watching downfall of our civilization.

just to clarify... that was "thtonics" comment not mine... I think you knew that but thought i would say ..

:)

[thirdwave]

the thing is...

the people who believe in ETEs/UFOs do not really claim to know the score... and to know what everyone needs to know.... it is the people who are trying to debunk them that claim they know what's going on...

they are the ones with no evidence...

I believe in ETE regardless of the info on the internet or anywhere else....

Its impossible to know the whole truth as they have done a great job in watering it down and throwing so much stuff around you dont know if you are coming or going.... but if you think I am going to come to the conclusion that the government have had a HUGE (because thats what it would be) campaign to make people believe they have been covering up ETEs and hiding all kinds of shit from us... then I will not believe it.

you are talking about going to a lot of trouble for what?.... "A distraction" ... thats alot of eggs in one basket! ... what if people did not get distracted! (which is the case), that would be a bit of a boo boo wont it!!?

I just get sick of narrow minded people who's beliefs systems are ruined by programming as they have grown up and by simple fear of the unknown... and it just gets annoying when they start calling you closed minded of stupid for not thinking within their tiny box!

if you keep an open mind to something then according to them you are brainwashed!... its just so stupid!

"I believe in ETEs but i just dont think that this and that and I think that this and that... and the government are good and doing this and that and tricking us..... and if you don't believe what I think you are stupid and lost...."

its all fear and desperation to see a reality that you are comfy with.... which is not the way it works sadly.


My brother is as closed away from this stuff as you can get.... he refuses to even look at it.... now, I would bet you my last penny that should he start to be open to it, he would jump right into these "more realistic" theories like this one... and he would then not be telling me ETEs are not real... he would then be telling me... THE ETEs are government smearing.....

And I would guess the next step will The ETEs people see are genetic creations by the military....

It will allays be from the view point that we are on top of the food chain... we are the power within the universe we see..... anything but the knowledge that there are far bigger beings than us and they are here.

We can paint patters on crops from space.... fly ships around space and over the earth at over 17.000 mph and there is not much we cant do ...but oh no, no other beings could come near earth... out of the question... why? ...because one simply CANT believe it.

[romas]

just to clarify... that was "thtonics" comment not mine... I think you knew that but thought i would say ..

:)


lol I'm sorry quote thingie came out wrong, I was indeed replying to thtonic :)

[deca]

Lights Forming Crop Cirlces Nice video Thirdwave

There again EM causing the crops circles.
Yep who is trying to control the EM spectrum
http://jya.com/emskey.htm

Well over a decade ago, a Soviet general reportedly said something like "to prevail in the next conflict, one must control the electromagnetic spectrum." That statement proved true in the Bacca Valley and on deserts in Iraq.

The Department of Defense is committed to ensuring that "in the next conflict" it is we who will control the spectrum. We know its value.

Gen. Shalikashvili is fond of noting that the nature of war is unchanged, but its character is in constant change. He is exactly right. We are moving toward new warfighting paradigms. These opportunities are available only to those willing to boldly exploit the technological advantages of the type that we currently hold.

Remember that the electromagnetic spectrum hold[s] the key to our successful use of our technological advantages of today and tomorrow.


Ok The EM spectrum is the battle field ok. EM weapons make nukes look like big spears. Imagine being able to detect an enamey plane by radar and then chosen to target the electronics or the pilot ? all at the speed of just sort of the speed of light.Image disabling the personel in a nuke bunker, or making them confused /fall asleep.Do you under stand how importaint and how much money has gone into winning and controling the EM spectrum!!!!!.
Do you think the mililtray have any problem bending and few straws with this tech!!!!.

[lottie]

Has anyone ever thought that crop circles may have been made from underground?

I dunno why but for ages ive had a suspicion that they're made from underground- it may well be unfounded but its just another angle to look at it from......i mean we have many D.U.M.B's in the UK and they are so big we cant even begin to imagine (apparently) some up to 7miles deep and spanning miles more wide.....if this is the case then its possible they have been done with technology beyond our comprehension from below our feet?.....(maybe to confuse/intrigue us) whatever the reason...i think its worth taking into account.....also how many crop circles appear around area's with some sort of military base near by? i know when we visited Avebury (where the majority of crop circles are found during 'the season' ....we had to drive through one on the way there and home again....wouldnt suprise me if they have stuff we dont know about going on underground.....
Im not dismissing the whole alien thing but the more i find out about the lengths of deceit that the gov's etc are willing to go to it wouldnt suprise me if most of the nasty or confusing sh*t that goes down is down to them not aliens.....

I keep thinking about the technology ive heard about from testimonies of ex-workers/military personnel such as Phil Schneider etc that talk about the use of advanced magnetic travel systems that run so quickly and make you feel sick as they travel so fast and the 'hum' that comes from them makes you feel sick (but you adjust apparently) and lighting run off things which require no wiring etc (electro magnetics??) ((i dunno -way above my head LOL)) anyway.....if this is the case- something like rop circles would be a piece of p*ss would they not?

Just another way to look at it i suppose???:confused:

[romas]

They wouldn't waste time cash to make few people confused/interested, corpotocracy doesn't work that way, if mainstream media is their tool is certainly is doing a poor job covering these crop circles eitherway.

Phil Schneider also talked alot about greys and conflict involved. Project Camelot interviewed dozen people who are alleged ex insiders behind most bizzare tech you can imagine. Stargates, looking glass, particle beam weapons etc.

There are other theories, hollow earth, huge lost cities underground, huge military bases etc.

New tunnel project between Russia and USA surfaced in some news magazines earlier this year, they reported deeper and bigger than ever before plans.

Speculations are endless :p

[thirdwave]

Lights Forming Crop Cirlces Nice video Thirdwave

There again EM causing the crops circles.
Yep who is trying to control the EM spectrum
http://jya.com/emskey.htm



I have no doubt in my mind that the military have the equipment to create crop circles.... and probably make more of them than anyone today..

[deca]

Yeah I am thinking that the orb is a energy hot spot(like haarp heating a small area) and creats a em field around it. its EM that bends the crop.
The militray are not intrested in creating pretty orbs or pictures in crops ,but would be intrested in controling em fields and being able to manipulate them.
see why use loads of energy to fry/melt and plane? no better to screw with onboard electonics and navigations or cause engine/electronic failure.Even better knock out pilot or stimilate his brain visual cortex!!! get him to drop/attack his own troops now we are talking.check out TMS and Doc Persingers god helmet.

TMS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation
Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) is a noninvasive method to excite neurons in the brain: weak electric currents are induced in the tissue by rapidly changing magnetic fields (electromagnetic induction). This way, brain activity can be triggered with minimal discomfort, and the functionality of the circuitry and connectivity of the brain can be studied

http://www.scienceroom.org/tms-and-brain-function
Previously, work like this would have been carried out on non-human primates, as Britain’s Royal Society has acknowledged [4]. Apart from the ethical advantages, one particular scientific benefit of TMS over non-human primate studies of brain damage is that the impairment is reversible. This enables researchers to study learning in healthy volunteers with momentary ‘virtual’ damage, thereby preventing the brain creating new strategies to cope with the removed or damaged area. In invasive primate experiments or studies of brain-damaged patients, the brain may reorganise, and in so doing may mask the normal situation.

[deca]

http://www.swirlednews.com/article.asp?artID=185
SCIENTIFIC STUDIES “CONFIRM CROP CIRCLES ARE MADE BY BALLS OF LIGHT” - 31/07/2001


DR ELTJO HASELHOFF is one of the few people on planet Earth to have had a paper published on crop circles in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (‘Physiologa Plantarum’). His paper asserts that the long-recognised connection of crop circles to balls of light may be even stronger than many think. Here, in layman’s terms, Dr Haselhoff outlines the important findings of his paper…





Nikola Tesla - The Forgotten Wizard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0

[thirdwave]

I think they have discovered how to operate outside of the 3D domain... this is why they can reach such amazing speeds and why most of the time they can go unseen...

we know we can see a TV or listen to a radio pick up data from a source with no wires, within a second.... so its no shock that this cant be taken into physical technology.

[deca]

Dude DEW travel around the speed of light

THE INVISIBLE MACHINE - ELECTROMAGNETIC WARFARE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4515534125267138757

Hmm mabye BELL island might be uncontroled orbs!!! after blast

[deca]

http://www.orwelltoday.com/cropcircleweapon.shtml
At many crop circle locations, especially the more elaborate ones,
it appears that microwaves have been used to create the designs.
The evidence of stalks, burnt from the inside out exists.
This seems to indicate the use of military microwave weapons
being directed from orbiting satellites.

MASER CROP CIRCLES & WEAPONS

USA Forces are scheduled to begin using a Star-Wars-style ray gun
in Iraq next year for more effective riot control.
The "active-denial system" fires a 95-gigahertz microwave
to cause heating and intolerable pain in less than five seconds.
The Air Force is building a system for controlling riots from the air.

To Orwell Today,

excerpt from WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE TIN FOIL HATTER'S CLUB:

...In the movie "Signs" there are crop circles. We are told in the movie that these crop circles were created by aliens. Hollywood is great for pimping that whole alien angle. Many people buy into that. Blaming aliens for crop circles to me, is about as stupid as sticking tin foil in a microwave oven, and as an official Tin Foil Hatter I strongly urge against this.

Microwaves. Think about microwaves. Masers!

I am putting my words on the line and telling you what I know about microwaves and what I believe; specifically the effect that microwaves have on stalks of grain. It has been found in tests that when stalks are subjected to microwaves that they burn from the inside out and the stalk collapses. Remember this fact.

In some of the simpler crop circles it has already been proven that a bit of human hoaxing has been taking place. Many human perpetrators have come out on the record admitting to creating the crop circles in the dead of night using only a rope and a wooden board to flatten the stalks of grain. However, one look at some of the more advanced crop circle designs and you will easily see that it's not going to be possible for people using only crude tools to create these signs in the fields while also under cover of darkness.

Alien created my ass! Corrupt governments in my opinion. The people who make crop circles for a hoax are simple people, not artistic geniuses and I'm certainly one to know what it would take to create these extremely large works of art being a professional artist myself.

The government has lied to you on most everything. Their primary skeptic is the mainstream media. I believe that they are lying about crop circles as well.

'So what?' you say. What harm could there be if the government is involved in making crop circles? You tell me that you don't see the cost nor my point.

The cost of not listening to the Tin Foil Hatters' Club in this matter could very well be the deaths of thousands of people, the loss to this nation of billions and billions of dollars of wealth and property, the creation of a slave nation, and massive human suffering.

I don't know what phase of TRUTH that you are currently in. I'm quite sure that the people who have done their homework on the matters I've mentioned above are on my side. I'm also sure that if you're still reading this then you will most likely be stepping into the third phase of TRUTH with me very shortly. You'll do a little investigating on your own and see that I am telling you the TRUTH. And skeptics will do whatever it is that fools do.

At many crop circle locations, especially the more elaborate ones, it appears that microwaves have been used to create the designs. The evidence of stalks, burnt from the inside out exists. Small animals have been discovered at these places that look exactly how an animal would look like if you shoved one of them in a microwave oven and blasted them until dead. Burned from the inside out. This fact to me, along with my knowledge of what is currently on the patent books, seems to indicate the use of military microwave weapons being directed from orbiting satellites.

The evil outgrowth of Ronald Reagan's Star Wars Program. Masers!

Next time you find yourself out in a field looking up at the stars for approaching aliens you might want to take off that tin foil hat. You can still keep your membership in the club but just leave the hat at home. You know what happens to tin foil under microwaves!

Crop circles are, in my educated opinion, test firings of military weapons. Perhaps they are testing newly launched satellites to see if they work properly. Perhaps they are aligning the beam or beams. One thing is for certain, microwaves produce some mean heat!

Stick a bowl of water in a microwave oven. Hit the start button. Three minutes later, you've transformed a cool bowl of water into a hot bowl of bubbling, boiling excitement.

I want you to imagine several of these satellites, floating death above, circling silent and unseen. Imagine the effect of combining several of these microwave beams, each beam as wide as a football field upon a designated target. Direct a vast array of orbiting death ray satellites at the ocean. Hit the start button. The Federal Reserve is making bank like crazy off your misery! minutes later, you've transformed a small tropical storm into a category 4 or 5 Hurricane Hugo, Katrina, Rita, etc.

The only thing a hurricane needs to grow into a monster is warm water. Hurricanes gain speed and power when they encounter warm water. They follow warm water.

It takes the cold dead souls of traitors to breed monsters in our seas and this knowledge just makes your blood feel like it's boiling in anger!...

from,
Ken D. Webber
worldwideweb kendwebber.com/coffeeart9.html

Greetings Ken,

I've heard of "tasers" but not "masers". I assume the word means "microwaves as tasers"?

I have long suspected that crop circles were the results of the powers-that-be experimenting with technology of some sort. Your explanation of what it is and how it's done makes alot of sense. If they can make intricate designs like that in wheat fields, no doubt they can make spirals in oceans as well, and direct them toward whatever 'target' they choose, ie New Orleans etc, etc:

See LBJ ON WEATHER CONTROL and JFK ON WEATHER MASTERY

This maser technology is no doubt what's behind the microwave weapons the police are using as "new tools" to "help them" against bigger fields of wheat, ie human beings in crowds. Burning us from the inside out is something they obviously plan to do. They're practicing on the people in Iraq at the moment.

All the best,
Jackie Jura

SIGNS (starring Mel Gibson & Rory Culkin)

New Riot Control Microwave Weapons. All Headline News, Aug 26, 2005
U.S. Forces are scheduled to begin using a Star-Wars-style ray gun in Iraq next year for more effective riot control. The "active-denial system" fires a 95-gigahertz microwave to cause heating and intolerable pain in less than five seconds. The idea is that people caught in the beam will try to move out of it rapidly and therefore break up the crowd. Although the Pentagon classifies the weapon as "less lethal," New Scientist magazine reported that participants playing the part of rioters in field tests were told to remove glasses and contact lenses to protect their eyes. "What happens if someone in a crowd is unable for whatever reason to move away from the beam?" asked Neil Davison, coordinator of the non-lethal weapons research project at Britain's Bradford University. "How do you ensure that the dose doesn't cross the threshold for permanent damage? Does the weapon cut out to prevent overexposure?"

US microwave-weapon tests revealed. New Scientiest, Jul 22, 2005
A vehicle-mounted version of ADS called Sheriff could be in service in Iraq in 2006 according to the Department of Defense, and it is also being evaluated by the US Department of Energy for use in defending nuclear facilities. The US marines and police are both working on portable versions, and the US air force is building a system for controlling riots from the air.

WEATHER CONTROL and 14.Scientific Experimentation and 13.Weapons and ANIMAL FARM DOGS

Hello Jackie,

I clicked on your page and read the final product and it's cool. The term MASER isn't from TASER but an offshoot of LASERS. Lasers use light in concentrated waveforms. Masers are similar only using microwaves instead of light.

Ken



Some people should stick to chasing toilet paper:D

[deca]

Quote:
Originally Posted by niftygifter
How do you account for this then?



YouTube - UFO Forming Crop Circles Close
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Nifty


That video has been proved a fake


Yeah this video does look fake the orbs look soild and they seem to move in a 2 d. A lot of special effects programs will superimpose a 2d effect over video.
http://www.wondertouch.com/ particleIllusion is such a program.(great fun program) I think it was used to make "startrek" tv shows.Thats why some of the explosions look flat.Also the video comprison of the clip does not help,I would like to see a high quility version sometime.

[romas]

Not all crop cirlces have the "burnt from inside" features, they need to get their facts straight before swaying into set belief system.
If you burn something, it won't realign to normal position and continue growing.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/cropcircleweapon.shtml nice fantasy, seriously

Crop circles are, in my educated opinion, test firings of military weapons. Perhaps they are testing newly launched satellites to see if they work properly. Perhaps they are aligning the beam or beams. One thing is for certain, microwaves produce some mean heat!

More like indoctrinated opinion, he thinks military can't find a place where to test their weapons so they go about wheat fields? Testing since 1890's or so when first crop circles were documented? They must suck really bad if they need so much testing in plain sight
http://www.lovely.clara.net/crop_circles_early.html



I want you to imagine several of these satellites, floating death above, circling silent and unseen. Imagine the effect of combining several of these microwave beams, each beam as wide as a football field upon a designated target. Direct a vast array of orbiting death ray satellites at the ocean. Hit the start button.

No, lets imagine red riding hood hoping around those fields with a wooden plank in mid night, having a blast since 1890's, trying to get into book of Guiness for stupidest hobby in fairytale history.



The Federal Reserve is making bank like crazy off your misery! minutes later, you've transformed a small tropical storm into a category 4 or 5 Hurricane Hugo, Katrina, Rita, etc.

Finally a logical assumption, yet seems to easy and to good for TPTB. They own monetary system so there's little to no point doing real warfare in their own system, what they do is get you in such debt that you will be force to sell your house to them, no need to destroy valuable property

[deca]

Quote:
Crop circles are, in my educated opinion, test firings of military weapons. Perhaps they are testing newly launched satellites to see if they work properly. Perhaps they are aligning the beam or beams. One thing is for certain, microwaves produce some mean heat!

More like indoctrinated opinion, he thinks military can't find a place where to test their weapons so they go about wheat fields? Testing since 1890's or so when first crop circles were documented? They must suck really bad if they need so much testing in plain sight


When was the microwave oven invented?
Radar - Father of the Microwave Oven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1ESUz2H3E

Have this images got more compicated as time gone by or stayed the same?
Has the tech inproved over the last couple of years in other words.
Why do they need to a didicated firing range? They have a free one with a free cover story? why change.

microwave oven transformer (mot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx74k5Sq9bE
Cheap HERF gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KcD3KQ38CM&feature=related

Microwave Gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz5MIuyam4w&feature=related

There is a book the shows how to make a starwars weapon out of a microwave oven.

[deca]

No, lets imagine red riding hood hoping around those fields with a wooden plank in mid night, having a blast since 1890's, trying to get into book of Guiness for stupidest hobby in fairytale history.




Yep lets Imagine that they don`t exsit!!!!!, lets imagine the worlds great and there is no nasty people init.......
I think thats called Escapism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapism
Escapism is mental diversion by means of entertainment or recreation, as an "escape" from the perceived unpleasant aspects of daily stress. It can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to try to help relieve feelings of depression or general sadness.

Some believe that this diversion is more inherent in today's urban, technological existence because it de facto removes people from their biologically normal natures. Entire industries have sprung up to foster a growing tendency of people to remove themselves from the rigors of daily life. Principal amongst these are fiction literature, music, sports, films, television, roleplaying games, pornography, religion, recreational drugs, the internet and computer games. Many activities that are normal parts of a healthy existence (e.g., eating, exercise, sexual activity) can also become avenues of escapism when taken to extreme.

In the context of being taken to an extreme, the word "escapism" carries a negative connotation, suggesting that escapists are unhappy, with an inability or unwillingness to connect meaningfully with the world.

However, there are some who challenge the idea that escapism is fundamentally and exclusively negative. For instance, J.R.R. Tolkien, responding to the Anglo-Saxon academic debate on escapism in the 1930s, wrote in his essay "On Fairy-Stories" that escapism had an element of emancipation in its attempt to figure a different reality. His friend C. S. Lewis was also fond of humorously remarking that the usual enemies of escape were jailers.

Some social critics warn of attempts by the powers that control society to provide means of escapism instead of actually bettering the condition of the people. For example, Karl Marx wrote that "Religion is the opium of the people." This is contrary to the thought of Saint Augustine of Hippo, who argued that people try to find satisfaction in material things to fill a void within them that only God can fill.

Escapist societies appear often in literature. The Time Machine depicts the Eloi, a lackadaisical, insouciant race of the future, and the horror their happy lifestyle belies. The novel subtly criticizes capitalism, or at least classism, as a means of escape. Escapist societies are common in dystopian novels for example Fahrenheit 451, where society uses television and "seashell radios" to escape a life with strict regulations and the threat of the forthcoming war.

A German social philosopher Ernst Bloch wrote that utopias and images of fulfillment, however regressive they might be, also included an impetus for a radical social change. According to Bloch, social justice could not be realized without seeing things fundamentally differently. Something that is mere "daydreaming" or "escapism" from the viewpoint of a technological-rational society might be a seed for a new and more humane social order, it can be seen as an "immature, but honest substitute for revolution".



Yep just all pretend that there is nothing bad going on, hell I fell better allready,but it does not change anything and the "real world" will catch up with you.
who wants you to do nothing to change to world? Who is pedling Escapism?
There nothing wrong with using your imagination? but lets make sure we have a world worth living in so we can be whole humans and enjoy life with all its wounders not caught in a virtual one made by ourselfs or others no matter how good it is.

[thirdwave]

it makes me laugh

the more people big up human technology they are simply highlighting how possible it is for space people to visit us.... because of the possibilities being shown... and the fact that man kind has sudenly rocketed forward with this stuff

[skyline]

it makes me laugh

the more people big up human technology they are simply highlighting how possible it is for space people to visit us.... because of the possibilities being shown... and the fact that man kind has sudenly rocketed forward with this stuff

The fact that people still argue over the authenticity of SOME crop circles just proves how immature the human race is regarding acceptance of other life forms.We havent even discovered every species on this planet.When it comes to the universe and all that is possible the human race is like a kitten staring at a litter tray wondering whether to shit in it or eat it!

Even if some are made by two old duffers with a wooden plank it still links to the whole UFO scene.Yes I admit its filled with some disinfo but even if 1% of them are created by other intelligent life forms then its a good thing,it opens up the debate.

Other life forms are real,the question is whether we are the aliens or them

[romas]

When was the microwave oven invented?
Radar - Father of the Microwave Oven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1ESUz2H3E


So you are saying satellites were also made during those years?

Crop circle reference:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/column/deadsea.html

That's hardly same time frame however you try to spin it.





Have this images got more compicated as time gone by or stayed the same?
Has the tech inproved over the last couple of years in other words.

Can't argue that, except it doesn't make sense to use such expensive equipment for crop circles they will later dismiss on radio and tv as hoax.



Why do they need to a didicated firing range? They have a free one with a free cover story? why change.

Because it's stupid as hell to do same experiment for hundreds of years?
Besides they have more than enough restricted territory in US and other countries.

US has policy to freely kidnap people if they are suspect of terrorism, there will be no information revealed of their location, trial and condition. Basically free experiments... so why use it on public plants?




There is a book the shows how to make a starwars weapon out of a microwave oven.


How does that prove anything?
There are books how to contact aliens to you know? Oh, but those books are different right?

[deca]

All I am saying is that microwave weapons can make crop circles and I know they have them and that they are more advanced then they are saying.
I make that statment from my own expereince of being a target of mind control & electronic harassment.
Does that mean every crop circle is made by microwaves? No
Crop circles can be made by a plank of wood and a piece of string
Does this mean that there is no aliens or aliens visting this planet past or present ? no
Do you base your belief on Aliens visting this plant because of crop circles?
That is for you to decide
Do the NWO have a "alien" plan to unite the world and bring on the NWO?

[deca]

How does that prove anything?
There are books how to contact aliens to you know? Oh, but those books are different right?


it proves that microwave weapons have been around since world war 2 and can be built out of a cheap microwave oven that most homes have in the west.So saying its some futuristic technology is just crap.
The aiming and power is the key to these and how to control/filter the microwaves

[kblood]

it makes me laugh

the more people big up human technology they are simply highlighting how possible it is for space people to visit us.... because of the possibilities being shown... and the fact that man kind has sudenly rocketed forward with this stuff

If people just knew how much of the "science fiction" technology actually has been invented today... :eek::D

In the movie Iron Man or at least in the cartoon, he gets an artificial heart, well at least devices that helps it function into his body. This kind of technology is real. I have seen a guy with a "window" in his stomach. It was an artificial stomach :) So if he ate something, it would end up in this tank he had installed. Quite amazing really, although I wouldnt want to go have dinner with him, unless he kept a shirt on or something :o

With the things I have seen, I do spend alot of time wondering what kinds of actuall invented technology there might be hiding on this planet. I have even tried a light saber. Quite cool, although I have heard they run out of power, so fighting with them for hours wouldnt really work. Still, that powerfull a weapon should not need to have power for more than a couple of hours between recharges.

I wonder how many people have already been sent into space on secret missions? There was a hacker who seemed to stumble upon secret files about personel in space. ETs :) I bet some of them are in fact aliens, in the sense of not actually born on planet Earth.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?

What about the ones they payed farmers to destroy to prevent people from getting to the information encoded within?

Does anyone ever try to use their intuition when looking for these answers?

The mind is a matrix.....be guided by your inner voice. ;)

[romas]

All I am saying is that microwave weapons can make crop circles and I know they have them and that they are more advanced then they are saying.
I make that statment from my own expereince of being a target of mind control & electronic harassment.
Does that mean every crop circle is made by microwaves? No
Crop circles can be made by a plank of wood and a piece of string
Does this mean that there is no aliens or aliens visting this planet past or present ? no
Do the NWO have a "alien" plan to unite the world and bring on the NWO?


I can accept that no problem, but as hypothesis, I also accept aliens the same way, because I don't remember seeing them so arguments are pointless ;)



Do you base your belief on Aliens visting this plant because of crop circles?
That is for you to decide



No I would like to believe the huge amount of testimony I heard over the years, it's a fact that something has happened to those people. What exactly is anybodys choice to believe.

I quite convinced by Eduard "Billy" Meier for one, I would suggest you research him fully and then make your mind, it's the most important case in known ET history.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I think that the crop circles could be made by interdimensional beings....perhaps even by us in the "future".

[dereistic]

I think that the crop circles could be made by interdimensional beings....perhaps even by us in the "future".

True..the best way would be to record how a crop circle is formed? I think there are some cases like that but nothing conclusive.

[lostinstrangeworld]

True..the best way would be to record how a crop circle is formed? I think there are some cases like that but nothing conclusive.

I suppose nothing ever can be without seeing it with one's eyes.

[thirdwave]

If people just knew how much of the "science fiction" technology actually has been invented today... :eek::D

In the movie Iron Man or at least in the cartoon, he gets an artificial heart, well at least devices that helps it function into his body. This kind of technology is real. I have seen a guy with a "window" in his stomach. It was an artificial stomach :) So if he ate something, it would end up in this tank he had installed. Quite amazing really, although I wouldnt want to go have dinner with him, unless he kept a shirt on or something :o

With the things I have seen, I do spend alot of time wondering what kinds of actuall invented technology there might be hiding on this planet. I have even tried a light saber. Quite cool, although I have heard they run out of power, so fighting with them for hours wouldnt really work. Still, that powerfull a weapon should not need to have power for more than a couple of hours between recharges.

I wonder how many people have already been sent into space on secret missions? There was a hacker who seemed to stumble upon secret files about personel in space. ETs :) I bet some of them are in fact aliens, in the sense of not actually born on planet Earth.


Yeah, its very likely, and its very likely that there are simply humans from another planet.... because we are just a DNA code... and it came from somewhere...

the main reason people cant grasp it is that they have not landed on our garden and asked us for a cup of tea...

but if you look at it from their point of view then its not as easy as that... for a start if they were to just come down they would e braking some ones flight rules and trespassing... and while doing that creating a huge fright and also coming down against the wishes of the people in control of the planet... probebly getting shot at in most cases... its quite clear "Mr Bush" has not wanted people to know about ETEs. but its quite clear that today its not an easy task and they know this.

it does however make sense that years and years ago, it was easier for them to come down because the planet was like a bigger place back then.

[thirdwave]

All I am saying is that microwave weapons can make crop circles and I know they have them and that they are more advanced then they are saying.

oh yeah defo.... you only need to look at how you can turn your TV on and see pictures come up on it from the other side of the planet... with no wires..mirrors... or anything.....

this shows that there is more to "thin air" that we think.... and certainly more than the 3d world...

there are probably many methods of making them.... and the really good ones do not harm the crops in anyway at all....

although in other cases there have been dead flys on the crops, stuck to them.

I do think that the main thing the "government" want to do is keep our belief system limited.... keep our understanding limited...

they would much rather we think its the military useing microwave control, than space brothers letting us know that our government are up shit creek with out a paddle.

because thinking that its just them doing it just convinces us even more of how powerful they are and how anything else outside of the zoo they have created around us is simply not in existence.

this is how they want us, and they have known us better than we do, which is why they are so good at keep us in that box.

If most people saw an ETE they would be compleatly and utterly dum struck..... and when you think about it, that's quite odd. weirded out and excited yeah ok... but dum struck and in total shock and disbelief to me shows come kind of condition.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Well said, thirdwave.

If most people saw an ETE they would be compleatly and utterly dum struck..... and when you think about it, that's quite odd. weirded out and excited yeah ok... but dum struck and in total shock and disbelief to me shows come kind of condition.

I think it would be brilliant!
(So long as the ET was basically benevolent). ;)

[thirdwave]

Well said, thirdwave.



I think it would be brilliant!
(So long as the ET was basically benevolent). ;)

I agree, I would love it... but only because we already except it as a possibility so it would be more exciting to see...

[mcmenek1]

Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?

What about the ones they payed farmers to destroy to prevent people from getting to the information encoded within?

Does anyone ever try to use their intuition when looking for these answers?

The mind is a matrix.....be guided by your inner voice. ;)



Hi lostinstrangeworld,

Exactly!!!.......Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?

We need to look at the message crop formations are giving us for a clue to who might be behind them......

One thing that I have become aware of recently is certain crop formations have a lot of numerology encoded in them, take this one for example:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1182/sugarhillug8.jpg

At the center of the formation is a 6 pointed star this is a symbol of duality in balance…….one 3 sided triangle entwined with it’s opposite 3 sided triangle symbolizing opposite energies coming together for example the Male and Female energies...... a hexagon has 6 sides and is symbolic of the male energy.......the triangle has 3 sides and is symbolic of the female energy
these energies balance each other out to create balance and harmony in the 3rd dimension of duality 3 + 6 = 9......the number 9 is the balancing vibration frequency that runs through the 3rd dimension of duality

There are 18 hexagons…..1 + 8 = 9
There are 36 triangles in each circle…..3 + 6 = 9
There are 4 circles….4 x 36 = 144……1 + 4 + 4 = 9

This crop formation is encode with the vibration frequency of 9……or…..’love’…….as the word love has a vibration frequency of 9……….this crop formation holds a subconscious message for us that message is one of ……’Love’……’Balance’…and……’Harmony’ when we look at this image this is the vibration that we will connect with……whoever created this crop formation is trying to get us to rebalance ourselves by sending out the Love vibration……..

Another example:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2155/martinsellcropcircleav0.jpg

the formation has 18 segments in each of the 4 circles this gives
18, 18, 18, 18,
this reduces to:
9, 9, 9, 9, = 36
this reduces to:
36 which = 3 + 6 = 9

This crop formation is again encode with the vibration frequency of 9……or…..’love’……are these crop formations from our beloved Planet Earth or from an off planet intelligence…….either way the message from the fields of Wiltshire in England is one of ‘Love’……’Balance’…and……’Harmony’



Here is another example:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/314/birdsccjl3.jpg

There are 3 flying Birds this gives us 3
There are 30 circles, and 3 flying birds this gives us 33
If you look at the back edge of the bird wings you will see what looks like the outline of the number 3 this gives us 333

This crop formation is encoded with the vibration frequency of 3, 33 and 333 or female energy.......this crop formation is helping to bring this vibration back to the Earth and us......the female energy vibration has been suppressed by "The Powers That Be" to throw the Earth and us out of balance in the 3rd dimension of duality which disconnects us from a higher conscious awareness......

Whoever created this crop formation is trying to get us to reconnect with the female energy vibration frequency so we can rebalance ourselves in the 3rd dimension of duality so we can reconnect to a higher conscious awareness.....

I very much doubt the military or hoaxers are behind these crop formations because of the encoded vibration frequency they contain...... that being the vibration frequency of Love, Balance & Harmony......

Love
&
Peace

[lostinstrangeworld]

I thought number 6 vibrated to the planet Venus/ female energy and number 9 vibrated to the planet Mars/ male energy. (According to the Chaldean Hebrew Kabala system in Linda Goodman's Star Signs).

[thirdwave]

Linda Goodman's Star Signs).

she is meant to be a good read i hear?

[thirdwave]

Hi lostinstrangeworld,

Exactly!!!.......Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?

We need to look at the message crop formations are giving us for a clue to who might be behind them......

One thing that I have become aware of recently is certain crop formations have a lot of numerology encoded in them, take this one for example:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1182/sugarhillug8.jpg

At the center of the formation is a 6 pointed star this is a symbol of duality in balance…….one 3 sided triangle entwined with it’s opposite 3 sided triangle symbolizing opposite energies coming together for example the Male and Female energies...... a hexagon has 6 sides and is symbolic of the male energy.......the triangle has 3 sides and is symbolic of the female energy
these energies balance each other out to create balance and harmony in the 3rd dimension of duality 3 + 6 = 9......the number 9 is the balancing vibration frequency that runs through the 3rd dimension of duality

There are 18 hexagons…..1 + 8 = 9
There are 36 triangles in each circle…..3 + 6 = 9
There are 4 circles….4 x 36 = 144……1 + 4 + 4 = 9

This crop formation is encode with the vibration frequency of 9……or…..’love’…….as the word love has a vibration frequency of 9……….this crop formation holds a subconscious message for us that message is one of ……’Love’……’Balance’…and……’Harmony’ when we look at this image this is the vibration that we will connect with……whoever created this crop formation is trying to get us to rebalance ourselves by sending out the Love vibration……..

Another example:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2155/martinsellcropcircleav0.jpg

the formation has 18 segments in each of the 4 circles this gives
18, 18, 18, 18,
this reduces to:
9, 9, 9, 9, = 36
this reduces to:
36 which = 3 + 6 = 9

This crop formation is again encode with the vibration frequency of 9……or…..’love’……are these crop formations from our beloved Planet Earth or from an off planet intelligence…….either way the message from the fields of Wiltshire in England is one of ‘Love’……’Balance’…and……’Harmony’



Here is another example:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/314/birdsccjl3.jpg

There are 3 flying Birds this gives us 3
There are 30 circles, and 3 flying birds this gives us 33
If you look at the back edge of the bird wings you will see what looks like the outline of the number 3 this gives us 333

This crop formation is encoded with the vibration frequency of 3, 33 and 333 or female energy.......this crop formation is helping to bring this vibration back to the Earth and us......the female energy vibration has been suppressed by "The Powers That Be" to throw the Earth and us out of balance in the 3rd dimension of duality which disconnects us from a higher conscious awareness......

Whoever created this crop formation is trying to get us to reconnect with the female energy vibration frequency so we can rebalance ourselves in the 3rd dimension of duality so we can reconnect to a higher conscious awareness.....

I very much doubt the military or hoaxers are behind these crop formations because of the encoded vibration frequency they contain...... that being the vibration frequency of Love, Balance & Harmony......

Love
&
Peace

another one, there are 54 edges on all of the hexagons, 5 + 4 = 9

I would not mind taking another week end down there this summer mate!

[deca]

they would much rather we think its the military useing microwave control, than space brothers letting us know that our government are up shit creek with out a paddle.



No I think that space based weapons are banned I think under international law so they want you to think its aliens so you don`t protest.

Exactly!!!.......Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?



They are not, but it is a good way to test thier equipment aimming and control, think about it they can send a complex patern to their satilite let it beam it onto a crop field, use a opticical sat to show them the image of the crop circles all probley from there desk.Problely the wheat,barlely they use is ideal to test microwaves on. They would have to build a special target area with sensors and stuff to do the same, this would mean moveing the satillites out of orbit to were there target area. I think Wheat/barley is grown around the world.

[lostinstrangeworld]

No I think that space based weapons are banned I think under international law so they want you to think its aliens so you don`t protest.



They are not, but it is a good way to test thier equipment aimming and control, think about it they can send a complex patern to their satilite let it beam it onto a crop field, use a opticical sat to show them the image of the crop circles all probley from there desk.Problely the wheat,barlely they use is ideal to test microwaves on. They would have to build a special target area with sensors and stuff to do the same, this would mean moveing the satillites out of orbit to were there target area. I think Wheat/barley is grown around the world.

Well if it can be proven, somebody can take them to court.

[lostinstrangeworld]

another one, there are 54 edges on all of the hexagons, 5 + 4 = 9

I would not mind taking another week end down there this summer mate!

Cool, I don't drive but I'll be there in spirit. ;) :D

And yes, Linda Goodman's book is good....love her writing.

I must be from the same planet as her or something. :)

[thirdwave]

No I think that space based weapons are banned I think under international law so they want you to think its aliens so you don`t protest.

wont protest??, if the government are creating space weapons against ETEs and not telling people then I think a fair few would protest every bit as much as they would if it was for earth use only... especially with the increasing awarness of how much of a selfish agenda they have with the possibility of the ETEs not even meaning any harm!...

and its not as if joe blogs around the corner is going to be less efected by the new that Bush is attacking ETEs rather than making weapons for even more power.

sorry I just don't see the logic in that.

as for them being banned, since when does that matter?.. its not like the laws are for them anyway and not an easy thing to prove when you think of the technology they use. maybe one or two other countries would see what they are doing, but only because they are doing the same thing!


They are not, but it is a good way to test thier equipment aimming and control, think about it they can send a complex patern to their satilite let it beam it onto a crop field, use a opticical sat to show them the image of the crop circles all probley from there desk.Problely the wheat,barlely they use is ideal to test microwaves on.

but that would be implying that they want us to believe in ETEs that are trying to wake us up to a bullshit government.... which again has no real logic behind it. the true realisation of ETE life could change the world as we know it.... unless of course the government are running the show and looking for our trust....

also why would they need to test it on open crops? .... when they can create a couple crops of there own at one of their bases?

what are the chances of other beings useing the crop circle idea... or the military?... I think its much more likly that ETE came up with the idea fro the position they were in rather than the military testing stuff and trying to make people believe in good ETEs warning us of the corrupt government we have.

and again, if this is so possible for us to do all this from space then it shows how very possible it is for other beings to do the same thing who probably have even more technology to do such things.... probably from miles away...

[deca]

What has crop circles made by satillites got to do with ETES?

hmm lets think about it satillites orbit the earth, beam/reflex microwaves back to earth?
crop circles are made on the earth.....man walks the earth?

If they were to attack ETEs why would they be pointing at us?
Surely they would be pointing the other way out to space?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Well......whatever they are,

they are profoundly beautiful and inspiring.

[deca]

Well if it can be proven, somebody can take them to court
Yeah I hope so, probadly USA,RUSSIA,UK,CHINA ect G8 types are probadly doing it and testing/devolping and trying to stop other countries from having the technology in a "fuck you buddie" style same as Nukes we can have em but you can`t.We will have them then inforce the law so other countrys can`t have them, and if they do try in secret bomb the shit out of them.
Probadly theres a unwritten agreement to only "fry" your own people with this technology or it would be seen as an act of war agaist an another country.What did that american general say that they had to test the heat ray ( Active Denial System http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6297149.stm)first on americans before using it on the enemy.

[deca]

in the movie lethal weapon Mel shots at a target in a shooting range and makes a smiley face!!!! :)


I am not trying to put people off ETE`s or Orbs but lets base it on Science not fantasy.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Precisely.

I think no-one really knows as yet.

So in this case, the theory of it being down to the military is just as much fantasy as all the other theories. ;) :D

[thirdwave]

What has crop circles made by satillites got to do with ETES?

well the ones that are made by satillites are nothing to do with them... other than probably having taken inspiration off of them.

hmm lets think about it satellites orbit the earth, beam/reflex microwaves back to earth?
crop circles are made on the earth.....man walks the earth?
I would imagine in the inverse allot of beings walk on the earth/ground

my point is, I don't see why the government has to sue crop circles to test equipment... they can easily do it at a secluded airier and there would have been no crop circle situation and so on...

Now if you are saying that they WANT people to think they are ETEs making them "for a distraction" ... this is what I disagree with explained by the points I have made...

If they were to attack ETEs why would they be pointing at us?
Surely they would be pointing the other way out to space?
I have no idea, maybe its not very difficult to turn them around.

or maybe they have quite a few of them...

I am very confident that ETEs have made crop circles and as usual the military/government has done much to cover it up and water down any info that comes out...

the PTB cleary do not want us thinking of things outside of the box, they would much rather you think that they have some super weapons and that they are the only power in this solar system and they got us by the balls.....

they don not want us to believe there are others out there more powerful..advanced... who want us to wake up to how we are being held down by our leaders.

it does not distract people from the NWO it draws their attention to it.... in fact its a bit of a wake up call.

I used to research UFOs and stuff because I knew there was more to the sky than we are lead to believe and eventual i started to come across 9/11... NWO...so on.... and it all fell into place, especially when you then start researching proper history.

I belive that the reason they have weaponised space is simply for more control and power over the planet.... control over people on it and control over people outside of it..... they are very concerned about these times... which is why they are trying to imprison people on earth as much as they possibly can... and why they are concerned about what may come from above.

they are defending what they feel is theirs, and don't want to lose their power.

Now, when people point out and certain things where it looks like the PTB have actually been putting into out them selves...well yes.

But this does not mean that they are creating it.... its means that A, they are putting out stuff that creates contradiction and confusion so there for the truth is harder to stand on..... and B, because they have to start putting it out because if ETE are introduced into this world in the future then they don't want the planet to be a planet of complete ciaos which is what it would be.... they are clearly slowly putting it into peoples conciousness.... they have spent most of the years locking it out... but now are having to feed it back in.... this does not mean they are always telling the truth.... but they are clearly reluctantly letting out certain things.... they are having to insert it into our believe system....


the crop circles are the same... a few ETEs create some and boom... you got Bob and Dave in town... you got all of a sudden all these hoaxers making a yearly thing of it and of course all the military technology that is doing it.....

I really do think its possible the military could stage an invasion in our life times....

[deca]

So in this case, the theory of it being down to the military is just as much fantasy as all the other theories.

Well they have not admited it.

Crops can be bent with microwaves
the militray know about microwaves and use them all the time
RADAR,comunications
They want to control the EM spectrum which includes microwaves
They have STARWARS programs using microwaves
They are Devoleping DEW direct energy weapons ...ie Heat rays
They have satillites orbitting the planet, thier specs are not known to the public
projects like HAARP over the horizon radar and ion heaters.

What evidence have we that ETES are making crop circles?
Eye wittness and video of orbs and that they are pretty patterns!!!

[thirdwave]

I am not trying to put people off ETE`s or Orbs but lets base it on Science not fantasy.

lol, but this is just it, forst of all your thiories come from the same places as everyone elses and are no more science than the others... and the only reason you call it fantasy is you have aloud hollywood movies to make you think that way...

there is also a mass of evidence to show is that it is not fantasy.... with abductions there is eye whitness's with somtimes phisical evidence placed in their bodys with no way of find out what it is and how it got their.

there are thousands and thousands of UFO sitings ..craft that move so fast it cant be explained how humans could be inside....

there is historical texts clearly describing UFOs and gods...angels snake people.... ant people.... annunaki.... so on, as well as historical sculptures showing us all this.. (what's left of them all anyway)

we have government and military whistle blowers coming out letting us know they are real....

and we can see through crop circles (even if they were just satellite creations) showing us such technology does not just exsist but we also have it here oin earth....

people are not creating ETE theories, they are simply paying attention to the vast amount of info showing us it is real.

now, if you think all of these things are government creations then you will need to have one hell of a good theory as to why they would spend years and years creating such a vast amount of info and movements to create what we have..... you are talking about a massive master plan here and a genius one at that....

Why?

[deca]

my point is, I don't see why the government has to sue crop circles to test equipment... they can easily do it at a secluded airier and there would have been no crop circle situation and so on...

Would they not have to move the satillite out off orbit to a new one.
How would you test microwaves?
having a area with hundreads/thousands of detectors?
or a flat field with wheat/barley which naturaly reacts with microwaves!!!!

[lostinstrangeworld]

There is also some historical documented evidence that crop circles were being seen hundreds of years ago.

[thirdwave]

What evidence have we that ETES are making crop circles?
Eye wittness and video of orbs and that they are pretty patterns!!!

the same amount as we have that tell us they are being made by the military.

also what is your theory on why its only in the last 100 years or so that man kind has developed such things???... what influence do you think this could have been?

the fact that crop circle can be made view military technology does not really make a difference other than its very likely that they got this knowledge from other beings... this would explain how the vast majority of man kind cant fathom such technology... as it is not really natural to us.

[thirdwave]

Would they not have to move the satillite out off orbit to a new one.
How would you test microwaves?
having a area with hundreads/thousands of detectors?
or a flat field with wheat/barley which naturaly reacts with microwaves!!!!

if i was in the secret military I would create a large area at one of the bases and test it there to my hearts content.... they would be able to do the exact same thing only unseen and unnoticed and would not need to spend so long thinking of those fantastic designs either....they could scribble anything...

and it would not be hard from them to stick up a satellite especially for the testing .....

you said before that they are braking the planets law by creating this stuff.... so its a bit silly them creating an art exhibition every year with it!

[deca]

the same amount as we have that tell us they are being made by the military

Hmm please post it ?

There is also some historical documented evidence that crop circles were being seen hundreds of years ago.
Man has made pictures on the ground before i.e that horse....
I have made patterns in the sand when I been to the beach so has many other people.
I lived in the country and ran throw fields , we flatened wheat/barley until the farmer told us of ok.never made detailed patterns thow.
There are plenty of havest traditions and festavils, maybe a overing or a thank you to the gods in the sky.
simple crop circles can be made with a rope and peacie of string.

[deca]

you said before that they are braking the planets law by creating this stuff.... so its a bit silly them creating an art exhibition every year with it!

Well not if you all believe its ETE`s they are laughing and in the clear.

[deca]

the fact that crop circle can be made view military technology does not really make a difference other than its very likely that they got this knowledge from other beings... this would explain how the vast majority of man kind cant fathom such technology... as it is not really natural to us.


Look it has progressed over the years, driven by the militray RADIO,RADAR,COMUINACATIONS,DEW

look at the EM spectrum man is trying to use,understand,control it like he does to every thing else.

You use a radio,TV and microwave,mobile phone?
do you need to understand the electronics and how they work?


yeah people before science could explain things thought lightning were thunderbolts from the gods!!!!

[thirdwave]

Hmm please post it ?


I will need to see the amount that you have in order for me to prove my comment.



Man has made pictures on the ground before i.e that horse....
I have made patterns in the sand when I been to the beach so has many other people.

yes but they were not on old caves discovered after thousands of years... or books... that are dated back years...

they are not little pics that somone has drawn they are huge books full of detailed text, from the same place as we have gotten all out historical accounts.... only most of these books were burnt by the church at the time.


I lived in the country and ran throw fields , we flatened wheat/barley until the farmer told us of ok.never made detailed patterns thow.
There are plenty of havest traditions and festavils, maybe a overing or a thank you to the gods in the sky.
simple crop circles can be made with a rope and peacie of string.

yes but not like this that appeared over night in a rain storm.

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/Crop_Circle_spirals.jpg

with the crops an damaged and being left so they can be cropped after....

that being said thay have got allot better at them... there is that guy who has rented filed out and created them ..but it took about 7 of them ...for 9 hours and come up with a pretty good one.

and I dont think this is ETEs
http://www.nunomira.com/blog/imagens/Firefox_Crop_Circle.jpg

but you have admitted your self that its technology that is creating them.... its a case of WHO's technology... for that we must annalise ones motives.

I am still very suspicious that a man made one has not been created with a camera crew watching and seeing the evidence... you get those short vids with people with planks, never get to see the circle they made and that's it....



oh, I just found this.... http://thecontaminated.com/creation-of-the-firefix-crop-circle/

looks quite real and only goes to show, this took them ages and was hard work with day light, it took 12 of them to make it... and it is not even a 1/4 of the size of many of them... look at how many track lanes there are in it compared to the one above..

[deca]

I will need to see the amount that you have in order for me to prove my comment.


look wheat/barley can be bent with microwaves True or false?
http://www.ovnis.atfreeweb.com/5_crop_circles.htm
Why Microwaves:

Research by Dr Levengood (of BLT Research Team), an American biophysicist, corroborated by the analyses of Ken Larsen, a British biologist, has shown that the way in which the stalks (wheat, rapeseed…) are flattened without being broken or damaged [p. 25…] is typical of a UHF microwave effect. Thus one can see stalks of rapeseed curving at 90 degrees, the flowers of which are still intact, although those same rapeseed stalks break easily when one attempts to bend them over by hand [p. 151]. The new position taken up by the plant becomes fixed. It continues to grow horizontally [p. 3 and 158] and breaks if one tries to return it to the upright position [p. 140].


Phenomena of electromagnetic origin have been observed at the locations: irregular compass behaviour [p. 172], disturbance of electrical apparatus [p. 44, 60 and 172-173], disturbance of radio frequencies, luminous flashes [p. 34, 52, 65 and 95], cracking sounds [p. 52, 63, 66 and 172-173], animals obviously unwell [p. 65 and 81], dowsing effects [p. 177-178], etc. Numerous positive effects (spontaneous cures, feelings of peace…) or negative effects (temporary paralysis, mental confusion, loss of memory, terror…) have also been observed in humans [LP98]. Let us remember that certain effects could also be explained by a reaction of fertilisers or pesticides subjected to microwave radiation, a reaction which could release toxic gases [LP98, who mentions organic phosphates]. The appearances of luminous flashes and the cracking sounds are not inevitably objective phenomena and they could be only feelings induced in the brain of the witness by an electromagnetic field. Albert Budden gives an example of such magnetophosphenes: "If the brain of the subject is exposed to an [alternating] magnetic field whose frequency varies from 10 to 100 Hz and whose power varies from 200 to 1,000 G, the subject will see flashes of light [...] in the top left corner of his visual field." [AB98 p. 59-60, citing research by L. Ruttan, M. Persinger and S. Koren].


The investigator Busty Taylor showed that samples of plants or ground taken in a crop circle could be attracted by a simple magnet [AB98 p. 50-51]. That could be explained by the fact that the ferromagnetic particles present in the dust of the atmosphere were bound with the site of the circle, after or during its creation. Some of these particles have been scrutinised under microscope. They seemed to have melted when touching the soil or the plants to create a fine cracked glaze.


A bird was found within one particular formation and its body appeared literally to have exploded, as if it had been cooked alive in a microwave oven. In other formations some dried out hedgehogs were discovered [LP98]. Also wheat grains are dehydrated and crunchy. They are less conductive according to work by Dr Levengood.


Microwave laser technology appeared during the 50s and has been improving in keeping with the increasing complexity of the crop circles. Is it a mere coincidence?


More than 50% of the circles observed in England have appeared during cloudy or rainy weather: the cloud cover would allow the origin of the microwave firing to be hidden. Microwaves are able to pass through clouds and act through falling rain, and they are perhaps less damaging to plants when it is raining.


Certain patterns suggest the use of a rotating beam with variable diameter according to the circles in question [PDCA89 p. 156], which might correspond to either the natural or deliberate dispersion of a maser beam, fired from a high altitude. The diameter is estimated to be less than 30 centimetres at a distance of 20 kilometres.



the science says true ok.

who use microwaves and has masers?

who has plantforms that could target crop fields with microwaves satillites and/or haarp?

ok do i need to prove the above? with more links!!!!!

[deca]

The Crime Weapon Identified
http://www.ovnis.atfreeweb.com/7_habe_crime_weapon.htm
The Sagebrush Technology corporation, based near the Kirtland facility, is the firm responsible for building the support structure and orientation system for the laser cannon used in the HABE programme (see fig. 7-b). A gyroscopic system allows considerable stability in the focusing of the impact point on the target in spite of the movements of the balloon, whose speed can reach up to 70 metres per second parallel to the equator (remembering that the missile being aimed at is itself moving). The electronic system on board has to ensure a constant correcting of the angle of firing during the latter, the firing itself only needing barely a second before the laser succeeds in piercing the nose cone of the missile. The directional precision of the laser is within 10 micro radians, which is altogether remarkable.


Fig. 7-b: support structure and laser cannon
photo courtesy of Sagebrush Technology

This piece of equipment weighs around 4 tons and can function between +40°C (104°F) and -50°C (-58°F). At the end of a mission the device is recovered by severing the cable connecting it to the balloon and deploying its parachute. It can withstand a shock of 10g (1g = 9.81 m/s2) when landing on the ground or in the sea.

The reader will easily understand that this sophistication of technology is more than sufficient to achieve the desired results. One need only replace the laser being used by a maser, in order to draw crop circles, or by a small particle cannon capable of generating "UFOs", and to reprogram the steering of these devices as required. Microwaves and particle beams are also weapons which greatly interest the military and which are bound to be tested from an aerial platform before being put into orbit. If it is somehow difficult to conceive of the military developing a technology specifically for the production of UFO phenomena, it is thus much easier to think that this technology could represent nothing more than the "reprocessing" of advances originating in other areas of research.

[deca]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1583165/Laser-plane-could-destroy-tanks-from-10-miles.html
Laser plane could destroy tanks from 10 miles
The United States Defence Department has developed a prototype of an aircraft armed with a laser gun that could destroy tanks 10 miles away.



The laser weapon, shown mounted on a modified Lockheed aircraft

The weapon is capable of destroying targets up to 15km (10m) away, according to Defense Update online magazine.

The ten-centimetre-wide beam will heat targets almost instantly to thousands of degrees and will slice through metal even at maximum range. It is intended both for battlefield use and for missile defense.



The weapon can also be fitted on a 747 aircraft to shoot down missiles
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It is anticipated the beam will be adjustable, allowing the gunner to choose between, for example, targeting a vehicle's fuel tank to destroy it utterly, or slice through a tyre to bring it to a halt without injuring the driver.

The laser will be housed in a rotating turret attached to the underside of the aircraft and will be aimed independently of the plane. Early tests have focused on testing the rotation of the laser housing.



The laser is housed in a rotating glass turret, seen here on the front of the aircraft

[mcmenek1]

I thought number 6 vibrated to the planet Venus/ female energy and number 9 vibrated to the planet Mars/ male energy. (According to the Chaldean Hebrew Kabala system in Linda Goodman's Star Signs).

Hi lostinstrangeworld,

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3/magicsunsquareku3.jpg



this image is called the magic sun square it is a numerical representation of the sun it is suppose to represent the suns attributes it energy its vibration......the 36 numbers in the square all add up to 666 this is seen as the suns vibration the male vibration.......the sun is seen as a male entity giving its energy to the female earth enabling life....... the Freemasons promote sun worship and the dominance of the male energy the vibration of 666.........the numbers 6 and 66 are also male vibration numbers.....

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/a/a1/150px-Irish_clover.jpg

the 3 leafed clover is an ancient symbol for the female earth energy..... 3 leafed clovers grow in tight clusters where the female earth energy is strongest and is a good indicator of the path the female energy takes..... the female vibration of 3 has a direct link to the 3 leafed clover

I explain more about how the male and female energies come together to create harmony and balance in the 3rd dimension of duality and also how "The Powers That Be" are upsetting the balance and harmony in the 3 dimension by suppressing the female energy vibrations in these threads :

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11150

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979

Love
&
Peace

[mcmenek1]

another one, there are 54 edges on all of the hexagons, 5 + 4 = 9

I would not mind taking another week end down there this summer mate!

Hiya mate,

Well spotted!!!.......yeah I see the 3 edges that create the corner on each hexagon......

Yeah I would be up for another trip down there this year, I really enjoyed it last year it was great fun......:):D

Love
&
Peace

[thirdwave]

Hiya mate,

Well spotted!!!.......yeah I see the 3 edges that create the corner on each hexagon......

Yeah I would be up for another trip down there this year, I really enjoyed it last year it was great fun......:):D

Love
&
Peace

I will let you guys know if i go down... likewise of you go let me know..

[romas]

in the movie lethal weapon Mel shots at a target in a shooting range and makes a smiley face!!!! :)


I am not trying to put people off ETE`s or Orbs but lets base it on Science not fantasy.



Science of what? Movie with Mel Gibson? lol how is that even related to anything.

Your theory of space weapons is as good as any other presented here, stop trying to put it like it has more credibility.

[deca]

Quote:
Originally Posted by deca
in the movie lethal weapon Mel shots at a target in a shooting range and makes a smiley face!!!!


I am not trying to put people off ETE`s or Orbs but lets base it on Science not fantasy.



Science of what? Movie with Mel Gibson? lol how is that even related to anything.


It was to show that weapons can make nice pictures!!!!

stop trying to put it like it has more credibility.

WHY?

I have not seen anything else that could of caused it but a belief that ETE`s made them?

there is being open mind and free thinking and just plan guilabule?
Yeah I would love these crop circles to be made by day tripping ETE`s sharing love and peace with huimanity,but I fear that there is sinister intent behind them.People have to wake up to what microwaves can do, and how they effect our well being.Just check out how much e smog there is around us.

[gee1]

Hi there I dont really post here much and to be honest i didnt read all that has been written in this thread and so apologise if anything has already been mentioned.

A quick google search has shown me that the earliest recorded crop circle in britain was in 1678. In lyon 815 AD with others being refered to in texts up to 2000 years ago. So this obviously asks the question.....Did the military have technology capable of doing this back then? :p

I personally believe there are a lot of hoaxes but many cant be explained.

Last year I had the pleasure of spending a day with a friend of a friend who is a Native American who studies crop circles. He told me that a lot of the shapes and geometry were very sacred to his and other indigenous peoples.

heres a section on crop circles from his website:

http://www.bearcloudgallery.com/

Crop Circle Research & Sacred Symbology


Since 1997, Bearcloud has been involved with the phenomena that has become known as crop circles. He believes many of them to be highly evolved sacred symbols. He is able to understand a great deal of these symbols because they reflect Native American spirituality. They are an inherent part of the native ways. They are universal symbols that are understood because of their overlapping similar qualities. He says that all indigenous nations have symbols like these in common; each nation being on a completely different path but with similar understandings.


Bearcloud says that in looking back at many of the Crop Circle starglyphs, it is obvious that whoever has created many of them, comes from a highly advanced order of Universal understanding and consciousness. Many of the symbols carry unique expressions that we do not really possess as symbols in our archives, but they can be understood.


Bearcloud believes that true Star Glyphs have inspired some people to want to go out and create symbols in the fields for themselves. So many are man made, especially in these later years after the year 2000.


His focus is on starglyphs that reach beyond the ordinary, into a highly complex series of hidden symbols, messages that truly stretch us to higher orders of understanding. They carry the pure nature of the Universe as sacred geometry.


The crop circle research that he does has unlocked many of these Star Glyph meanings. Bearcloud explains that many of the symbols are mathematical in nature or intrinsically geometric. Geometry is the avenue by which the symbols are created for display. For example, some of them use fractal symbology. Such symbols are found in the Native American symbology, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, and many other paths of spirit, as well as being mathematical formulas. However, many are unique and are only carried by one nation's way of spirit. For example, the origin of the yin and yang symbol is Chinese and will only be found there, but the truth that it reflects is also found in other symbols of the Native American way. Hindus and Buddhists also have their own symbols that reflect into Native American and other indigenous symbologies.


Many of the symbols are only found in Native American symbolic languages. Many of the important starglyphs are individualized to what Bearcloud would consider an unknown nation, and although they are uniquely different, they can be understood.


Bearcloud has come to call crop circles Starglyphs, and sees them as being created by the Star Nation people."


You may find this interesting, you may not. Free will and all that....

peace

[thirdwave]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1583165/Laser-plane-could-destroy-tanks-from-10-miles.html
Laser plane could destroy tanks from 10 miles

the thing is, I don't even need to research to convinced me that government can make crop circles with tools they have from space... I am %100 convinced.

but I don't see how this means that ETEs are not relevant and are simply "fantasy" ... much of their technology comes from ETEs and what they have discovered is possible.

think about it logicaly.... now, do you think in 2000 years we would be able to fly quite easily in space and create bases on other planets??

given the stuff we can do now that you are showing us, then I would say we would quite easily be able to do all that...

now, what are the chanced of being in space being 2000 years ahead of us....?

in fact what are the chances of some beings in space being 2000.000.000 years ahead of us??

Quite likely I would say!

[thirdwave]

Hi there I dont really post here much and to be honest i didnt read all that has been written in this thread and so apologise if anything has already been mentioned.

A quick google search has shown me that the earliest recorded crop circle in britain was in 1678. In lyon 815 AD with others being refered to in texts up to 2000 years ago. So this obviously asks the question.....Did the military have technology capable of doing this back then? :p


Hi there gee1

good point... and we must also remember that news did not spread as quick back then.... for a crop circle to have been noted at that time it must have created quite a stir... and we can assume even further back this happened as well... its not like they could stick it on the internet and let everyone see it in a few days...

I also heard that there was reports of Alexander the great spotting a silver shield shoot out of the sea.

[phildee3]

I am not trying to put people off ETE`s or Orbs but lets base it on Science not fantasy.



Why not both?

Fantasy and imagination for the creatives,
science for the analytical.

[deca]

think about it logicaly.... now, do you think in 2000 years we would be able to fly quite easily in space and create bases on other planets??


Look its all down to the spread of knowledge,comunication and the abilty to make better tools.

Books used to be handwritten,Then somebody made the printing press ok
Then came the Industrial Revolution when people worked in factors instead of on the land,steam engines were invented basic machines were built instead of using raw man/horse power

Electricity and Electronics were used

The modern world we live in.

Ideas and comunications can be spread/shared easily today.
We have a good knowledge how things work and percision tools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
Moore's Law describes an important trend in the history of computer hardware: that the number of transistors that can be inexpensively placed on an integrated circuit is increasing exponentially, doubling approximately every two years.[1] The observation was first made by Intel co-founder Gordon E. Moore in a 1965 paper.[2][3][4] The trend has continued for more than half a century and is not expected to stop for another decade at least and perhaps much longer.[5]

Almost every measure of the capabilities of digital electronic devices is linked to Moore's Law: processing speed, memory capacity, even the resolution of digital cameras. All of these are improving at (roughly) exponential rates as well.[6] This has dramatically increased the usefulness of digital electronics in nearly every segment of the world economy.[7] Moore's Law describes this driving force of technological and social change in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.



You make out man would be still in a cold dark cave,if UFO had not came and educated us? Hmmm why did they not give us printing press early then?
or just beamed down lap tops with printers!!!!!


A quick google search has shown me that the earliest recorded crop circle in britain was in 1678. In lyon 815 AD with others being refered to in texts up to 2000 years ago. So this obviously asks the question.....Did the military have technology capable of doing this back then?

did they have wood and string then? because crop circles can be made with wood and string or just bent with a foot.
The ones that are done by microwaves are the ones with no trace of human footprints and the stalks are not crushed just bent.

Have I ever said every crop circle is made by microwaves?
are there pictures of people making crop circles by there feet,do you think maybe they could do this years ago? are there things like havest festivals and local coustoms!!


ok what proof ETE`s did them, lets see evidence !!!

He told me that a lot of the shapes and geometry were very sacred to his and other indigenous peoples.

Hmm do you think I can boot up photoshop and search the net for some sacred shapes and geometry ?

[romas]

You go on and on lol... yet again asking evidence, if anyone had evidence we wouldn't even bother discussing about them now would we.

But you don't have any evidence to back your story either.

If those planks were so magical, they could have filmed the whole process and put on the internet, simple camera is not so magical in this age, obvious they can't make anything better outside simple shapes.

[deca]

But you don't have any evidence to back your story either.



er There is plenty
Microwaves can bend crops without damaging them and in the rain
The militray have microwave weapons and targeting equipment
crop circles can be made with feet or boards
There is burnt animals in the circles
Readings of EM energy
Ect

if anyone had evidence we wouldn't even bother discussing about them now would we
There is evedence but it does not sit well with your belief sytem
Your belief of crop circles is based on Theory with no hard evidence
At least I change my belief sytem based on facts and experience,what do you base your belief system on?

If those planks were so magical, they could have filmed the whole process and put on the internet, simple camera is not so magical in this age, obvious they can't make anything better outside simple shapes.


The reason they used a plank is to spread the wieght of a human and leave no foot prints plus flaten a larger area in a shorter time, nothing magical about that!!!
What do you think the wood and string is for!, have you done any research?

look rainning over crop circle, crops grow in earth, rain water and earth make mud, anybody make a crop circle would leave a foot print and have mud over the bent crop!!!!!!!
crop circle after rainning no foot prints or mud.....its a mistery call scooby doo!!!!!!

[kblood]

Wether there is evidence that crop circles were made by aliens isnt really the issue as I see it, its more the fact that its unlikely that we humans made them, at least with the official level of technology we have. We have probably had satalites and our own UFOs (flying saucers of some kind), capable of making cropcircles. Still it doesnt really work out as proof that none of the crop circles were made by or with the help from aliens.

Sometimes the best evidence of something is actually the lack of evidence. In this case, the lack of evidence that it isnt aliens. As to why aliens might have made them, we would have to look into what these crop circles means individually.

This guy gets into crop circles:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335

He also gets in sacred geometry and how fractals are the key to how everything is infinite. Both into macro cosmos, micro cosmos and into the past and the future. Everything really, and that really fits well with both my spiritual beliefs and beliefs about how the Universe is evolving. Ever expanding upon itself in every direction, also inwards and outwards.

What he gets into that is related to crop circles, is his translation of what some of these cropcircles means and got decoded into, and in what relation they probably were created. One seemed very likely to be a response to our message into space. We sent it out and it had a picture of how our body looks, that we have a male and female gender, and the basic components of our body, which is carbon if I remember correctly.

The alien response then came in a crop circle, showing the same information as we send them, about themselves. Seems that they already got the message before we sent it into space or they just have the means of timetravel... :) If so they could have made us really confused by making the crop circle before we ever sent anything. Then it would be harder for us to link those two together though.

Of course there still is the maybe more obvious possiblity of there being people trying to make us believe that there are aliens around us, to mess with our head, as a practical joke or for whatever reasons there might be.

I dont really care, the experiences I have had myself are proof enough that it is very unlikely that we do not have aliens visiting us, and even staying here, over the last maybe 80 years of more. Maybe less, but if they are here now, then aliens have probably been here before as well.

Try to look into the Emerald Tablets. I have heard they are actually what the ark of the covenant contained, and tell of the secrets that were meant to be kept in the ark. The secret story of ancient races here on Earth, waging a war with weapons much like the ones we have today, if not even more advanced than the weapons we have today. Also it tells a story of how they all but annihilated and destroyed each other almost completely. Their great cities becames ruins, and the people had to spread out into other places on our planet. Our planet was alot smaller back then since it is in fact growing bigger and bigger like most living beings. It might even have been before we got our great oceans, but I guess there must have been some water.

Look into it, heck, even go to the museum and translate the tablets yourself if you dont believe the story. Or just get the photos of them from the Internet and research the language they are written in. The best part is how the story gets confirmed with findings of depleted uranium about the time this war was to have happened. In the layer of dirt in a dig... you probably know how we can dig back in time by making big holes and then sample the dirt or whatever it is to find out what the area consisted of back then.

[thirdwave]

er There is plenty
Microwaves can bend crops without damaging them and in the rain
The militray have microwave weapons and targeting equipment
crop circles can be made with feet or boards
There is burnt animals in the circles
Readings of EM energy
Ect


No, that is not evidence...

there is no more evidence that this technology exists than ETE being around... you are just choosing to think the ETE evidence is lies or set ups...

If you see that as evidence then why do you not excpet the ETE evidence??

the government would deny both if asked and would not be able to answer either honestly.



There is evedence but it does not sit well with your belief system
Your belief of crop circles is based on Theory with no hard evidence
At least I change my belief sytem based on facts and experience,what do you base your belief system on?

there is far more evidence out there that tells us ETEs are here than there are the military are making pretty patterns on crops to make us think they are hiding ETE life or to test it....

you are going by websites that have appeared on the internet in the last few years... we are talking hard evidence that has stretched back years and years.... just because we cant show you it on wiki ...or ask the government to confirm it it does not mean that its not real... its very real and anyone who cant see that has a troubled belief system.



The reason they used a plank is to spread the wieght of a human and leave no foot prints plus flaten a larger area in a shorter time, nothing magical about that!!!
What do you think the wood and string is for!, have you done any research?

I personally have done loads of research, I have shown you a little of it... to make an ok looking one that is pretty small you need 12 people spending all day, in day lightwith a helicopter monitering it... But the vast majority of them show up with out a glimpse of anyone there... and through the middle of the night. and mostly much larger than the one i sent.....

as for the plank of wood thirory... do you really think that if they were making crop circles with planks and string hunders of years ago (without even being able to take a picture of it and see how it looks) that it would have lost its mysteike by now??... why is it still a mystery??

I bet you were saying it was wood and string... then when you finally were able to admit that it could not just be that you have eaten the "its the military" campaign.... and now you are useing both!... its getting to the stage where the debunkers are sounding more far fetched than the others... ETEs are real.. UFOs, mass amount of eye whiteness's whistle blowers... historical texts and pics....

ETEs do not take peoples minds off important things... the government do not want us to think they have been lying to us our whole life's.... not only is there not a speck of substance to that theory but not a speck of evidence like you are asking for...


I don't think there is much that would convince you because you don't want to believe it, but time will tell....


look rainning over crop circle, crops grow in earth, rain water and earth make mud, anybody make a crop circle would leave a foot print and have mud over the bent crop!!!!!!!
crop circle after rainning no foot prints or mud.....its a mistery call scooby doo!!!!!!

thats very true.... if you do your research on them you will discover alot more facts that show that they cant all be made by plonkers with wood and string.... and im not convinced all of them are made by radiation either... I am open minded that maybe the military are behind some .... but only because they have been inspired to do so by other beings.... yes that's right others beings!,, we are not alone. and we are far from the most smart.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave
there is far more evidence out there that tells us ETEs are here than there are the military are making pretty patterns on crops to make us think they are hiding ETE life or to test it....

....................

Nah, there isn't. I'm with Deca on this one.

[thirdwave]

You go on and on lol... yet again asking evidence, if anyone had evidence we wouldn't even bother discussing about them now would we.

But you don't have any evidence to back your story either.

If those planks were so magical, they could have filmed the whole process and put on the internet, simple camera is not so magical in this age, obvious they can't make anything better outside simple shapes.

this is it...

that has never been the case..

I also found the picture that Chris Everard was showing on the last secret space DVD fascinating... showed what looked very much like a complexed crop circle design with all sorts of other stuff going on... and was years old... well at least they can admit they are not all made with planks and men now, which was so embarrassing to hear all the time... we are one step forward now.....

[eternal_spirit]

quote: romas

If those planks were so magical, they could have filmed the whole process and put on the internet, simple camera is not so magical in this age, obvious they can't make anything better outside simple shapes.

..................

Thing is no one's saying the complicated, intricate....designed crop circles are made by the men with planks of wood etc. Re deca's post about microwavebeams etc.

[romas]

Well where are those weapons? I have yet to see any ex military guy tell the whole story. It's an easy assumption

While you have plenty of ex intelligence and ex military men saying yes we're visited and yes were being fuck about by some races of ET's, good example is Disclosure project.

Then you have articles all over the place, they are all liars right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-567200/UFOs-exist--weve-seen-Five-Britons-reveal-bizarre-close-encounters.html

Saudi's just dropped arms deal with US in favor off Russia, obviously no magic is in store from US?

There's zero credibility to crop circles made by military from corporate stand point, it's stupid waste of money, if they use them, they will use them for control and profit, not for show and geek interest.

Sattelites are easy targets these days, in military doctrine it's pointed out in full open warfare you shut down communications, either ground to air missiles or dirty space bombs that just rip through fabric of fragile machines in orbit that cost a fortune each.

[thirdwave]

Well where are those weapons? I have yet to see any ex military guy tell the whole story. It's an easy assumption

While you have plenty of ex intelligence and ex military men saying yes we're visited and yes were being fuck about by some races of ET's, good example is Disclosure project.

Then you have articles all over the place, they are all liars right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-567200/UFOs-exist--weve-seen-Five-Britons-reveal-bizarre-close-encounters.html

Saudi's just dropped arms deal with US in favor off Russia, obviously no magic is in store from US?

There's zero credibility to crop circles made by military from corporate stand point, it's stupid waste of money, if they use them, they will use them for control and profit, not for show and geek interest.

Sattelites are easy targets these days, in military doctrine it's pointed out in full open warfare you shut down communications, either ground to air missiles or dirty space bombs that just rip through fabric of fragile machines in orbit that cost a fortune each.


and it happens to work quite nicely for the PTB, a sneaky little plan to get away from the fact that other beings are making contact...

if they cant convince people they are made by planks of wood then maybe human satellites will be better... "that will giv em something to chew on"

[romas]

Yes maybe, but again I don't see much point, it doesn't make them $$$
Think about it, so what if few people believe or want to believe? You want to profit? Make whole public believe.

If they wanted they could have said Rosvell was alien crash back then, but they didn't they spend so much time and money covering it up.

You know how they say - "follow the money"

[eternal_spirit]

Well where are those weapons? I have yet to see any ex military guy tell the whole story. It's an easy assumption

While you have plenty of ex intelligence and ex military men saying yes we're visited and yes were being fuck about by some races of ET's, good example is Disclosure project.

Then you have articles all over the place, they are all liars right?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-567200/UFOs-exist--weve-seen-Five-Britons-reveal-bizarre-close-encounters.html

Saudi's just dropped arms deal with US in favor off Russia, obviously no magic is in store from US?

There's zero credibility to crop circles made by military from corporate stand point, it's stupid waste of money, if they use them, they will use them for control and profit, not for show and geek interest.

Sattelites are easy targets these days, in military doctrine it's pointed out in full open warfare you shut down communications, either ground to air missiles or dirty space bombs that just rip through fabric of fragile machines in orbit that cost a fortune each.
.................

I'm on the fence with crop circles.

It was years later that I came across the microwave beam stories ( there's not many sources same as the real reason for chemtrails) But there's millions of sources that tell a different story that it's ET's etc etc. that's a clue in itself, some one's pushing this stuff.

IMO the disclosure and the X military is disinfo, put all these things together, and you'll have UFO type religions of firm believers in extreme cases, waiting for the good ET's to come save the world from the evils ( This is as bad as religion and is part of the new age ( High masonic created religion most have their saviour figures or divine acts and interventions by Gods.

And gives TPB more control over the people who are waiting for their saviours...

But if it's not an obssession I don't see any harm in believing crop circles are not man made etc.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes maybe, but again I don't see much point, it doesn't make them $$$
Think about it, so what if few people believe or want to believe? You want to profit? Make whole public believe.

If they wanted they could have said Rosvell was alien crash back then, but they didn't they spend so much time and money covering it up.

You know how they say - "follow the money"

...............

They have unlimited finances to creat the New Age religion ( see culture creators )

And in returns the UFO "industry" is highly profitable, books movies seminars etc, but it's mostly about propaganda ( implanting false beliefs into people's minds same as religion and the superstitions of the occult )

The heaven's gate cult think it was them, they believed they had to commit suicide to ascend because of the channeled aliens their master guru was involved in. Thes channelings are mostly the intelligence agencies beaming in voices ( fits with the microwave beams,HARRP..... sattelite type technolgies definatley not aliens IMO.

William Cooper x naval, exposed Roswell for the fakery it was he used to promote the UFo agenda, until he realised it was disinfo and propaganda. Project bluebeam yah dee yah.

[deca]

look I belive that there are alien forms ok,I belive that there are UFO`s ok
I also belive that there is unexplained phenomena,The detectors I use are also used in ghost hunting,ect...

I am not trying to change your belief system about ETE`s

I know from my own experience that or militry are far more advanced that they are letting on, think somebody said that any advanced technology would be perciveid as magic or alien.
They are at least 10 to 20 years ahead.
Think about it it takes 20 years for a new plane to reach servis


I also know that the militry have used UFO and aliens to camaflage MILAB and prototype operations.

UFO and alien is used as a smoke screen ok

Thats not to say that there is/is not UFO or Aliens but they seem to be useful to camaflage other activity militry abductions,protype aircraft and DEWS.

To me some crop circles look like hoaxes done be people on the ground
others like like some type of persision beam is used ok
It is likely that these geometric designs are due to the firing of an aerial military microwave cannon, piloted by computer
http://www.ovnis.atfreeweb.com/5_crop_circles.htm

both can be explained with out ETE`s

The orbs can be explained by optical effects from flash/light hitting particles..ie dust in digtal camers, and maybe from DEW activity

The eye witness can be explained by the effects of DEWS, microwaves on humans.......High levals of EMF can cause you to see bright flashes in your eyes
http://cellphonesafety.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/common-initial-symptoms-of-emf-health-effects/

Common Initial Symptoms of EMF Health Effects
Abdominal pain;
Altered sugar metabolism
Anxiety
Behavioural disorders (e.g. attention deficit disorder, ADD)
Brain-degenerative diseases (e.g. Alzheimer–s)
Burning skin
Calcium efflux, at the near level, as false sensation
Cancerous afflictions: leukaemia, brain tumours
Cardiac: palpitations, arrhythmias, pain or pressure in the chest, low or high blood pressure, slow or fast heart rate, shortness of breath
Chronic exhaustion
Concentration problems
Depression
Dermatological: skin rash, itching, burning, facial flushing
Deteriorating fillings
Deteriorating vision
Digestive problems
Dizziness
Dizziness to the point of falling over
Dryness of lips, tongue, mouth, eyes; great thirst; dehydration
Enlarged thyroid
Epilepsy
Extreme fluctuations in blood pressure, ever harder to influence with medications
Fatigue
Flu-like” symptoms, fever. More severe reactions can include seizures, paralysis, psychosis and stroke
Hair loss
Headaches, migraines
Hearing noise
Heart attacks
Heart rhythm disorders
Immune abnormalities
Impaired sense of smell
Increases in Blood Sugar
Inner agitation
Insomnia
Irritability
Itching
Learning
Memory loss
Multiple Sclerosis symptoms
Nausea
Nervous and connective tissue pains, for which the usual causes do not explain even the most conspicuous symptoms
Neurological: headaches, dizziness, nausea, difficulty concentrating, memory loss, irritability, depression, anxiety, insomnia, fatigue, weakness, tremors, muscle spasms, numbness, tingling, altered reflexes, muscle and joint pain, leg/foot pain
Nosebleeds; internal bleeding;
Ophthalmologic: pain or burning in the eyes, pressure in/behind the eyes, deteriorating vision, floaters, cataracts.
Pain in the teeth;
Redistribution of metals within the body;
Respiratory: sinusitis, bronchitis, pneumonia, asthma.
Ringing in the ears.
Seeing flashes
Skin rash
Sleeplessness, daytime sleepiness
Strokes among an increasingly younger population
Susceptibility to infection
Sweating, cold sweating, tremors
Testicular/ovarian pain
Tingling
Tinnitus
Tremors
Vertigo
Weakness

Also check out Dr persingers God helemet
Persinger & Dawkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_-txbHNyOY
Dr. Michael Persinger 1994
Dr. Michael Persinger discusses the relationship between neuroscience and the alien abduction phenomena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lpyinT-Usc


As for crop circles before 1960 then I am not sure what caused them probadly
done by man as hoax, offering to the gods in some local harvest festavil is my guess.

thanks eternal_spirit for your comments.

[romas]

.................
IMO the disclosure and the X military is disinfo, put all these things together, and you'll have UFO type religions of firm believers in extreme cases, waiting for the good ET's to come save the world from the evils ( This is as bad as religion and is part of the new age ( High masonic created religion most have their saviour figures or divine acts and interventions by Gods.


There is no religion there, no one said about worship, don't mix the occult organizations, that's absurd.

Let me explain where I see flawed logic in your statement, you can do same, but elaborate in detail please:

If TPTB wants to push aliens as real, then why would they portray cults as nut cases? Every single cult has been discredited as gang of loonies in media and official reports.

[deca]

pointless arguments comming next to spam the thread,most people will just read the last couple of post!!!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26022&page=16
read my post (160) for some info

[romas]

They have unlimited finances to creat the New Age religion ( see culture creators )


There is no such thing as unlimited finances, everything is finite and even if they had then it would have already been established(xtianity?), why delay? Flawed logic I'm afraid.






And in returns the UFO "industry" is highly profitable, books movies seminars etc, but it's mostly about propaganda ( implanting false beliefs into people's minds same as religion and the superstitions of the occult )


Oh please, wishful thinking, few people make money yes, but it's nothing compared to mass industries like OIL, DRUGS and WEAPONS.
These 3 industries RULE the world, new age doesn't hold a candle against movies, games and other forms of entertainment even.

They will be gone once you wake up, stop being polarized on one story.
You must realize these world governments are just people and no they don't have magical weapons, but they want you to believe they have so you stay scared and powerless!






William Cooper x naval, exposed Roswell for the fakery it was he used to promote the UFo agenda, until he realised it was disinfo and propaganda. Project bluebeam yah dee yah.


He did not promote anything, he said what he saw, your choice to believe or not. Again on what basis you think Bluebeam is actually legit info? It's as credible as anything else until you can describe the facts and logic behind it.

[romas]

pointless arguments comming next to spam the thread,most people will just read the last couple of post!!!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26022&page=16
read my post (160) for some info



So these two are not controlled by TPTB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_-txbHNyOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lpyinT-Usc

Last I checked they both got huge salaries and work for government companies. As opposed to not so popular among elite:

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=John+Mack+on+abduction&search_type=

You just choose what to believe based on 0 logic. :rolleyes:

[romas]

look I belive that there are alien forms ok,I belive that there are UFO`s ok
I also belive that there is unexplained phenomena,The detectors I use are also used in ghost hunting,ect...

I am not trying to change your belief system about ETE`s




Well there is the problem, it's not about believing, that's irrelevant.
We need to know if it's true or not and fear of "military" or "them" is clouding peoples mind. Use logic, follow the money, accept all theories, but do not fall for belief systems.

[deca]

Do you understand I am victim of remote mind control & electronic harrassment. I never thought it was possible or new anything about it until it happened to me ok.

if you say you have been aducted/attacked psycically by aliens and UFO`s people belive you ok and think you been throw a strange event might even get a newspaper artical or apear on TV.

you say you been aducted/attacked psycically by the militray/goverment you get locked up under the mental health act ok

The militray have admitted microwave hearing V2k ???

[romas]

Even if I was in contact so to speak, I can't prove it wasn't a dream or fiction of my own mind. It's pointless to talk about it. I am not promoting aliens, I'm trying to break this flawed belief system people have about ET possibility.

As for your experience, with all due respect, why would they do this to you? Are you an important person to "the military" ? If so then how?

[eternal_spirit]

Exactly Deca there's much more proof of what you experience than there is regarding aliens. The abductions are done by humans men in rubber suits like in the movies, hypnotic suggestions, halluconagenic drugs, holographic weapons

( the ET believers you have no proof it's based on fantasy, trickery and your own imagination fueld by the propaganda predictive programming put out by the culture creators, they have to give you your new saviours and create the New Age religion because most people turn away and disbelieve the old mainstream religions.

The proofs in the reality ( where the hell are your alien saviours ? what are they waiting for ) and don't give me that nonsense they are waiting for the right time as in some sort of shit in conciousness and the ascension spiel. Or, that they don't interfer due to the laws of karma jeez...( that's also part of what THEY the culture creators wan't YOU to believe )

[thirdwave]

Do you understand I am victim of remote mind control & electronic harrassment. I never thought it was possible or new anything about it until it happened to me ok.

Do you know that i had a friend who her and he BF had a crazy ETE abduction expirience and had an objected removed from her body with out know what it was? she could describe the beings and could even describe how 2 of them were laid back but one did not seem to like her....

I am not finding it hard to believe that the military have all kinds of things hidden .. I think they have them because they have taken inspiration from ETE...

And I'm saying that as much info you have on how much technical stuff the military have, there is twice as much equally tangible info which shows us that ETEs are relevant.

If you are not arguing that ETE are not relevant... then Im not sure what your point is...



if you say you have been aducted/attacked psycically by aliens and UFO`s people belive you ok and think you been throw a strange event might even get a newspaper artical or apear on TV.

LOL... yeah right!!!,

people have been ignored for YEARS, have been mocked and in some cases have committed suicide. and NOTHING from the media or government...

in the recent years because of the internet more people have heard about it and the news is out... because of this we have seen a few bits in peace's the smaller TV channels...

this has been going on for years!. not just the last 5-10 years..

There has also been just as much info put on TV about certain technology that the military has...


you say you been aducted/attacked psycically by the militray/goverment you get locked up under the mental health act ok

but if you tell them it was ETEs then you are seen as a smart well educated citizen?

The militray have admitted microwave hearing V2k ???
so its no big secret then.

[romas]

Exactly Deca there's much more proof of what you experience than there is regarding aliens.

Where? lol

Any proof can be debunked as long as you want to believe US military is all powerful, yet can't find Osama and can't deal with some insurgents in IRAQ. Man you're funny.

Here's my case, study Eduard "Billy" Meier
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+meier&search_type=

Then come back when you have at least 50% of proof what he has, write a book about your military DEW attacks, describe in scientific terms and then we can talk, now you're just wasting time.


The abductions are done by humans men in rubber suits like in the movies, hypnotic suggestions, halluconagenic drugs, holographic weapons

So you are suggesting everyone is so stupid not being able to discern rubber suits? Hollywood has stopped using rubber suits in movies, because it's impossible to make it look believable. It's all CG now.
Holographic tech exists, but again it's not proven to work perfectly
You have to be really stupid not to discern rubber suits and hologram from reality.




The proofs in the reality ( where the hell are your alien saviours ? what are they waiting for ) and don't give me that nonsense they are waiting for the right time as in some sort of shit in conciousness and the ascension spiel. Or, that they don't interfer due to the laws of karma jeez...( that's also part of what THEY the culture creators wan't YOU to believe )

lol why would aliens want to save you? And from what?
Seems like you're the one who got programmed about aliens saving you, you're not special, no one is coming, get over it.

[eternal_spirit]

1) There are now programming centres which have many different levels underground…this article says maybe seven or more different levels at one US base. I can envision it now –as you are programmed on the ‘Carousel’ and go down the levels, at each one you stop off at, you are able to see another load of idiots dressed as ‘greys’ or ‘lizards’ or whatever these sick minds can think up in terms of eugenics projects and the ‘alien agenda’. Probably far more effective in programming people than simply asking them to visualize the levels (as they did with my team) i.e. ‘ground’ it in reality but we are talking 2006 here and not 1980.
2) Why does the New World Order need these bases so far underground? Well, in view of their ‘four horsemen of the apocalypse’ agenda – which may go horribly wrong in terms of epidemics, earthquakes etc – they will need a place to hide until it is all over and safe enough to come out again.
3) Why does Casbolt think that M16 run the CIA? I imagine because ‘Alice in Wonderland’ was the first mind control programming script to be used by international intelligence services and therefore M16 were probably the first ones to start experimenting with mind control. The CIA followed this up with the Wizard of Oz. At Powergen, a mixture of the two was used on my team. Does the FBI use these scripts? No, but they know how to ‘break into’ or ‘crash’ any of them. So tell me again, who controls the lot then?
4) I am interested in the disgusting perversity of these so-called ‘aliens’ in liking to eat or absorb human glands. Human glands? The endocrinal system of the body – the basis of all homeopathy…the Chinese have been experimenting with this for thousands of years and guess who is homeopathy’s number one fan in the UK? Come on down Prince Charles, you old ‘lizard’ you.
5) Poor old Casbolt appears to think that he has been abducted, been in the presence of ‘aliens’ etc. What is the greatest cover or smokescreen for the use and abuse of people and children by the intelligence services? Why, all you have to do is to pretend to be an ‘alien’ and implant that suggestion in your victim’s mind so that if the memory erasure is not entirely effective, they will go around telling everyone that they were ‘abducted by aliens’. Good job this never worked on me or I would probably think of Andrew Marr as a ‘lizard man’ or ‘blue dinosaur’, ho, ho – in fact the exact type of dinosaur he told me to visualize was a ‘stegosaurus’. I saw a picture of this dinosaur recently (in a Guardian supplement) and immediately related it to the image which had been implanted (except that the dinosaur I had been told to visualize was bright blue and not grey) – Marr also mentions this exact type of dinosaur in his poetry. So no, I don’t think there are ‘small blue dinosaurs’ living in small town, suburbia - Solihull…
6) The question then to be posed is why the elaborate smokescreen concerning the ‘alien agenda’? Well, if I had had my child abducted by the military for experimentation, I would go down to that military base with whatever arms I could and try to force an entry…but would I be so bold or brave if I thought it was manned by alien creatures? A moot point, but I imagine that the whole ‘alien’ thing is to deter people from prying.
7) The information about Aleister Crowley in addition to the amount of children who have gone missing in Zennor, Cornwall (where he used to stay) suggest to me (and many other things in this article) that this is everything to do with the British Intelligence paedophile cult and very little to do with ‘aliens’.
8) The two young people who were found dead and mutilated, does not suggest to me ‘alien abduction’ but Masonic assassination rituals.
9) The UFO which terrified the South Americans suggests to me a prototype military aircraft which failed its first test.
10) The idea that the military is experimenting in terms of eugenics and genetics underground – is highly plausible. Maybe they are trying to create human/lizard hybrids i.e. creatures who have very primitive brains and can be controlled by fear easily. This does not make them ‘aliens’.
http://www42.websamba.com/richardtomlinson/20060805/tomlinson_v_mi6/2006/07/is_there_anothe.html

[thirdwave]

Where? lol

Any proof can be debunked as long as you want to believe US military is all powerful, yet can't find Osama and can't deal with some insurgents in IRAQ. Man you're funny.

Here's my case, study Eduard "Billy" Meier
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+meier&search_type=

Then come back when you have at least 50% of proof what he has, write a book about your military DEW attacks, describe in scientific terms and then we can talk, now you're just wasting time.


So you are suggesting everyone is so stupid not being able to discern rubber suits? Hollywood has stopped using rubber suits in movies, because it's impossible to make it look believable. It's all CG now.
Holographic tech exists, but again it's not proven to work perfectly
You have to be really stupid not to discern rubber suits and hologram from reality.






lol why would aliens want to save you? And from what?
Seems like you're the one who got programmed about aliens saving you, you're not special, no one is coming, get over it.


for me this is evidence... but its interviews like this that has made people resort to claiming the government want people to believe they are covering up ETEs... :rolleyes:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GuLnXLAeX5k

[eternal_spirit]

Where? lol

Any proof can be debunked as long as you want to believe US military is all powerful, yet can't find Osama and can't deal with some insurgents in IRAQ. Man you're funny.

Here's my case, study Eduard "Billy" Meier
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+meier&search_type=




Read Deca's mind control threads lot's of evidence. The Laden family used to hang out with Big Wig American politicians, he's not meant not be found, he's an asset of the intelligence agencies.:rolleyes: They could find him if they wanted too. You've fallen for the media propaganda ( lies )


Billy Meier debunked

1. Billy Meier What A Joke!, page 1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread53600/pg1) "6 Nov 2004 ... Discusion about Billy Meier What A Joke! in the ... His pics were debunked a long time ago on a Television program of some hoaxes ..."
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread53600/pg1 2. Video of Billy Meier photos?, page 1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread208264/pg1) "Discusion about Video of Billy Meier photos? in the AboveTopSecret.com ... that are always referred to in order to debunk Billy were actually provided in an ..."
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread208264/pg1 3. Billy Meier: Swiss UFO Contactee or Fake Master? Text - Physics ... (http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-62630.html) "4 Sep 2007 ... Physics Help and Math Help - Physics Forums > PF Lounge > Scepticism & Debunking > Billy Meier: Swiss UFO Contactee or Fake Master? ..."
www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-62630.html 4. The Billy Meier case: review of arguments concerning the ... (http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_more_wc.htm) "7 Jul 2006 ... One of the most important features of the Billy Meier case is the great .... debunking of the Meier hoax from a "technical" standpoint, ..."
thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_more_wc.htm 5. Amazon.com: Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story: Kal ... (http://www.amazon.com/Spaceships-Pleiades-Billy-Meier-Story/dp/0879759593) "This is one of the worst researched books on the Billy Meier UFO Case I have ever ... Kal Korff's book about Billy Meier is a thesis on his own imagination. ..."
www.amazon.com/Spaceships-Pleiades-Billy-Meier-Story/dp/0879759593 6. The Billy Meier “Hoax” Exposed? - The Wedding Cake UFO Controversy (http://www.ufodigest.com/weddingcake.html) "28 Jun 2006 ... There has been almost no end to the attempted debunking of the photos of the so-called Wedding Cake UFO ... "The Billy Meier “Hoax” Exposed? ..."
www.ufodigest.com/weddingcake.html 7. Sep. 29th 2004 -Toutatis Asteroid Coming Too Close? (http://www.rense.com/general50/sep29th2004.htm) "In 1979, the famous alien contactee Billy Meier published a book that .... entirety of whose "scholarship" on the Meier case has been thoroughly debunked by ..."
www.rense.com/general50/sep29th2004.htm 8. Debunking and shunning the TJ (http://www.proaxis.com/%7Edeardorj/debunkTJ.htm) "These appear to have been based upon nothing more than glancing at one or more Internet sites that have offered debunking statements against Billy Meier's ..."
www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/debunkTJ.htm 9. Welcome to the Products area (http://www.theyfly.com/products/products.htm) "Now, for the first time, you’ll see and hear Billy Meier’s life story in his ..... Wendelle also explains how early attempts to debunk Meier’s photos were ..."
www.theyfly.com/products/products.htm 10. Open Minds Forum - ATS, Hutchison, 9/11, Billy Meier (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=2659) "Billy Meier - The fact that ATS are still supporting the childish, pseudo-scientific, reductionist line of The Paracast guys and Jeff [I failed to debunk] ..."
lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=2659 11. MySpaceTV Videos: UFO VIDEO 1975 billy meier swiss farmer by ... (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=2518233) "Meier's been proven to be a hoaxer, even his wife said he used models of UFOs, just Google; Billy Meier, hoax, fake, debunk, lier ..."
vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=2518233 12. YouTube - Billy Meyer video of Semjase ship landing tracks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9RWVumOwJY) "The Billy Meier case was NEVER proved to be a fake nor a forgery on any part. The Debunking was Debunked along time ago. Skeptics who are quick to cry "FAKE ..."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9RWVumOwJY 13. Eduard Albert Meier or Billy Meier, page 1 (http://www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread2170/pg1) "Discusion about Eduard Albert Meier or Billy Meier in the AboveTopSecret.com ... ATS.MIX: ATS MIX Show 80 - David Ray Griffin 9/11 Debunked – Radio Format ..."
www.belowtopsecret.com/forum/thread2170/pg1 14. Billy Meier Ufo Experience Video - Metacafe (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/578912/billy_meier_ufo_experience/) "THIS CASE HAS NEVER BEEN DEBUNKED AND NEVER WILL BE...the only resonable ... is that Billy Eduard albert Meier is, very simply, a genuine contactee. ..."
www.metacafe.com/watch/578912/billy_meier_ufo_experience/ 15. BILLY MEIER (http://www.ufocongressstore.com/servlet/the-BILLY-MEIER/Categories) "... attempt to debunk the case by duplicating Meier's film and photographic evidence. ... Michael will present specific, stunning prophecies by Billy Meier, ..."
www.ufocongressstore.com/servlet/the-BILLY-MEIER/Categories 16. From: Michael <michael@theyfly.com> Date: May 25, 2004 12:32:23 PM ... (http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/emails/05_25_04_Email.pdf) "is, has been thoroughly debunked by two separate, rather diligently researched .... regarding the Billy Meier Contacts from Switzerland, ongoing for 62 ..."
www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/emails/05_25_04_Email.pdf 17. The Billy Meier Case - International UFO Congress (2007) pt 12/12 ... (http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/18C4335AC84A4E9BB76364E2EC444864/the-billy-meier-case-interna.aspx) "Tags: billy meier eduard myer ufo aliens contact space ship spaceship proof evidence skeptic debunker debunked exopolitics estraterrestrials plejares ..."
www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/18C4335AC84A4E9BB76364E2EC444864/the-billy-meier-case-interna.aspx 18. Video ufo billy meier experience - BILLY, MEIER, UFOS, ALIENS ... (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cmy2_ufo-billy-meier-experience_news) "Watch ufo billy meier experience on Dailymotion Share Your Videos. ... there is a vast array of irrefutable evidence that simply has not been debunked. ..."
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cmy2_ufo-billy-meier-experience_news 19. Eskimo North: UFO Links (http://www.eskimo.com/links/ufo.html) "Billy Meier is the most well documented extraterrestrial contact case in existance. A lot of people have attempted to debunk these contacts, in my opinion ..."
www.eskimo.com/links/ufo.html 20. Billy Meier Finally Vindicated?, UFO Casebook files (http://www.ufocasebook.com/meiervindicated.html) "Billy Meier Finally Vindicated? Professional Skeptics Group Proves UFOs Real .... at their disposal, to debunk, let alone duplicate, Meier's stunning proof. ..."
www.ufocasebook.com/meiervindicated.html

[richardhastings]

Searching for Alien Neutrino Messages

If you were a hyper advanced alien civilization, rather then mucking about with noisy electromagnetic waves, perhaps you would try to make contact with other intelligent life forms by sending your messages via neutrinos.

First detected in 1953, neutrinos pass easily through most matter making it possible for your signal to pass through the Milky Way without being blocked by stars and interstellar dust. They are also not subject to the "noise" of optical and radio waves traveling alongside them through space.

Aliens with access to abundant power (one neutrino production technique requires 3% the output of our sun, another is within range of earthly thermonuclear power plants) could send pulsed and directional neutrino messages to us. Luckily we are building elaborate neutrino detectors already (they must be very large and built deep underground or water to shielded from cosmic rays and other background radiation).

The United States is building a neutrino detector called IceCube in Antarctica (seen above) to detect naturally occurring neutrinos for scientific research. If they were to detect neutrinos at 6.3 petaelectron-volts (PeV) it could be a tell-tale sign of an artificially constructed signal, since there is no known natural process that would create neutrinos of that energy level. Researchers on earth however have identified two ways that such neutrinos could be created in the lab. Maybe we will soon be smart enough to be able to hear from more advanced civilizations.

[kblood]

The high level of technology we have today makes it easier to cover up the fact that there are aliens visiting our planet today. From all I have read about aliens, it sounds like it was aliens who came and controlled some of the first civilisations of our planet 10.000 years ago or something like that. I guess it might have been around year zero or maybe 2000 BC there wasnt much contact, untill around the 1800-2000 century.

Today there is so much technology in place like satalites capable of making holograms almost anywhere, that just about anything could be debunked. Maybe to keep us from trying to find ways to get into space?

Yes, we have alot of military technology including the tech to make UFOs, but where did we get it from? Try looking into Nikola Tesla, he seems to be one of the first to invent UFOs, or at least some blueprints for UFO designs. Seems like the ones used in the Vril projects by german secret societies during WWII. The purpose of this Vril project was supposedly to prepare for the comming of or getting in contact with aliens. Hopefully even spacetravel. Still even though there is quite alot of evidence for this technology it has been kept secret.

As I see it, this kind of technology actually suggests that there are aliens, much more than it suggests that all aliens are just other humans acting in ways that would make us think aliens or UFOs.

Then we have SETI. I dont really believe that project is meant to find aliens, it has done a much better job of making it seem like we are the only ones in the universe. So what is the real purpose of this SETI project? I doubt that they after quite a few years, just didnt find anything at all, unless their way of looking is simply very flawed. That is also very plausible becuase I find their method of looking very crude, and not at all scientific. So flawed that I doubt the idea was meant to actually be succesfull in the first place. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe it was just not really that brilliant people behind it... Still how much funding have they gotten?

Then we have NASA, and from what I have heard, most their astronauts knows about aliens, but have been briefed not to tell anyone about them. Still there have leaked videos about this, astronauts in space talking to each other about other things watching them, or not to let things flying around them distract them. Even though it doesnt move at all like "space junk".

Look at the ancient monuments like the great pyramids and great temples. Were they made by primitive humans with copper tools?

Last but not least, there is also a theory that there arent any aliens, its just other humans or what we have evolved into in the future, that has returned from the future to help out in the past. If we can do it, then I bet others have found a way as well, in other parts of the Universe. Still, I also believe time travel is already possible as I have mentioned in other threads. The Montauk project or whatver it was called, probably isnt as much lies as you would first think when hearing about it.

[thirdwave]

Searching for Alien Neutrino Messages

If you were a hyper advanced alien civilization, rather then mucking about with noisy electromagnetic waves, perhaps you would try to make contact with other intelligent life forms by sending your messages via neutrinos.

First detected in 1953, neutrinos pass easily through most matter making it possible for your signal to pass through the Milky Way without being blocked by stars and interstellar dust. They are also not subject to the "noise" of optical and radio waves traveling alongside them through space.

Aliens with access to abundant power (one neutrino production technique requires 3% the output of our sun, another is within range of earthly thermonuclear power plants) could send pulsed and directional neutrino messages to us. Luckily we are building elaborate neutrino detectors already (they must be very large and built deep underground or water to shielded from cosmic rays and other background radiation).

The United States is building a neutrino detector called IceCube in Antarctica (seen above) to detect naturally occurring neutrinos for scientific research. If they were to detect neutrinos at 6.3 petaelectron-volts (PeV) it could be a tell-tale sign of an artificially constructed signal, since there is no known natural process that would create neutrinos of that energy level. Researchers on earth however have identified two ways that such neutrinos could be created in the lab. Maybe we will soon be smart enough to be able to hear from more advanced civilizations.

or maybe its been possible for years and we have already done it.

[thirdwave]

The high level of technology we have today makes it easier to cover up the fact that there are aliens visiting our planet today. From all I have read about aliens, it sounds like it was aliens who came and controlled some of the first civilisations of our planet 10.000 years ago or something like that. I guess it might have been around year zero or maybe 2000 BC there wasnt much contact, untill around the 1800-2000 century.

Today there is so much technology in place like satalites capable of making holograms almost anywhere, that just about anything could be debunked. Maybe to keep us from trying to find ways to get into space?

Yes, we have alot of military technology including the tech to make UFOs, but where did we get it from? Try looking into Nikola Tesla, he seems to be one of the first to invent UFOs, or at least some blueprints for UFO designs. Seems like the ones used in the Vril projects by german secret societies during WWII. The purpose of this Vril project was supposedly to prepare for the comming of or getting in contact with aliens. Hopefully even spacetravel. Still even though there is quite alot of evidence for this technology it has been kept secret.

As I see it, this kind of technology actually suggests that there are aliens, much more than it suggests that all aliens are just other humans acting in ways that would make us think aliens or UFOs.

Then we have SETI. I dont really believe that project is meant to find aliens, it has done a much better job of making it seem like we are the only ones in the universe. So what is the real purpose of this SETI project? I doubt that they after quite a few years, just didnt find anything at all, unless their way of looking is simply very flawed. That is also very plausible becuase I find their method of looking very crude, and not at all scientific. So flawed that I doubt the idea was meant to actually be succesfull in the first place. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe it was just not really that brilliant people behind it... Still how much funding have they gotten?

Then we have NASA, and from what I have heard, most their astronauts knows about aliens, but have been briefed not to tell anyone about them. Still there have leaked videos about this, astronauts in space talking to each other about other things watching them, or not to let things flying around them distract them. Even though it doesnt move at all like "space junk".

Look at the ancient monuments like the great pyramids and great temples. Were they made by primitive humans with copper tools?

Last but not least, there is also a theory that there arent any aliens, its just other humans or what we have evolved into in the future, that has returned from the future to help out in the past. If we can do it, then I bet others have found a way as well, in other parts of the Universe. Still, I also believe time travel is already possible as I have mentioned in other threads. The Montauk project or whatver it was called, probably isnt as much lies as you would first think when hearing about it.



You only have to look at how quickly man kind has evolved over the last 100 years or so compared to how it evolved before....

and all this new technology that is the military last card to try and cover it up.... it simply does not explain not only the factual things you can find in historical texts and so on... but just useing common sense in what the many beings from the sky (mostly reptilian) that all the old civilisations based theory words around...

its amazing how people cant believe it... it it shows the depth and strength of how our society can mind control people , it is well and truly a matrix... and even when people are aware of the matrix it can still be hard to brake out of it...

People assume my self and other believe in ETEs because of what's on the internet, but that is not the case.. I have always believed there is something up there... I always wondered why here was no contact and found it strange that is such a massive universe we seemed to isolated.... the info you find on the net and the stories you hear all over the world simply provide very valid and tangible explanations..

I think the people here now saying its all military are the same people who 10 years or so ago would have still not believed it and would have been explaining how people are crazy... seeing things... or been hoaxed.... they have now been provided with another rope to hold onto.

[deca]

Even if I was in contact so to speak, I can't prove it wasn't a dream or fiction of my own mind
There is hundreds of other victims all around the world reporting the same thing, there is a list of 450 people with written satements posted on my thread, and is getting emailed around the world.
They addmit the technology,they have not addmited using it on unwitting humans, but the history is they do i. radiation tests
Atomic era human guinea pigs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPlP03X6ek0
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn13513-us-army-toyed-with-telepathic-ray-gun.html
12:00 21 March 2008
NewScientist.com news service
David Hambling
A recently declassified US Army report on the biological effects of non-lethal weapons reveals outlandish plans for "ray gun" devices, which would cause artificial fevers or beam voices into people's heads.
The report titled "Bioeffects Of Selected Nonlethal Weapons" was released under the US Freedom of Information Act and is available on this website (pdf). The DoD has confirmed to New Scientist that it released the documents, which detail five different "maturing non-lethal technologies" using microwaves, lasers and sound.
Released by US Army Intelligence and Security Command at Fort Meade, Maryland, US, the 1998 report gives an overview of what was then the state of the art in directed energy weapons for crowd control and other applications.
A word in your earSome of the technologies are conceptual, such as an electromagnetic pulse that causes a seizure like those experienced by people with epilepsy. Other ideas, like a microwave gun to "beam" words directly into people's ears, have been tested. It is claimed that the so-called "Frey Effect" – using close-range microwaves to produce audible sounds in a person's ears – has been used to project the spoken numbers 1 to 10 across a lab to volunteers'.
In 2004 the US Navy funded research into using the Frey effect to project sound that caused "discomfort" into the ears of crowds.
The report also discusses a microwave weapon able to produce a disabling "artificial fever" by heating a person's body. While tests of the idea are not mentioned, the report notes that the necessary equipment "is available today". It adds that while it would take at least fifteen minutes to achieve the desired "fever" effect, it could be used to incapacitate people for almost "any desired period consistent with safety."
Less exotic technologies discussed include laser dazzlers and a sound source loud enough to disturb the sense of balance. Both have been realised in the years since the report was written. The US army uses laser dazzlers in Iraq, while the Long Range Acoustic Device has military and civilian users, and has been used on one occasion to repel pirates off Somalia.
However, the report does not mention any trials of weapons for producing artificial fever or seizures, or beaming voices into people's heads.
Potentially torturousSteve Wright, a security expert at Leeds Metropolitan University, UK, warns that the technologies described could be used for torture. In 1998 the European Parliament passed a motion banning potentially dangerous incapacitating technologies that interfere with the human brain.
"The epileptic seizure inducing device is grossly irresponsible and should never be fielded," says Steve Wright "We know from similar [chemically] artificially-induced fits that the victim subsequently remains "potentiated" and may spontaneously suffer epileptic fits again after the initial attack."
The acoustic energy device that affects the ear canals, disrupting the motion sense, may require dangerously loud sound levels to be effective, points out Juergen Altmann, a physicist at Dortmund University, Germany, who is interested in new military technologies.
"[There is] inconsistency between the part that says "interesting" effects occur at 130-155 dB and the Recovery/Safety section that says that 115 dB is to be avoided - without commenting on the difference."
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http://www.navysbirprogram.com/NavySearch/Summary/summary.aspx?pk=F5B07D68-1B19-4235-B140-950CE2E19D08

Summary Information
Objective of Phase Effort
The main goal of the Phase I project wad to design and build a breadboard prototype of a temporary personnel incapacitation system called MEDUSA (Mob Excess Deterrent Using Silent Audio). This non-lethal weapon is based on the well established microwave auditory effect (MAE). MAE results in a strong sound sensation in the human head when it is irradiated with specifically selected microwave pulses of low energy. Through the combination of pulse parameters and pulse power, it is possible to raise the auditory sensation to the “discomfort” level, deterring personnel from entering a protected perimeter or, if necessary, temporarily incapacitating particular individuals.

Summary of Results from the Phase I Effort
The major results of the Phase I effort were that - An operating frequency was chosen - Hardware requirements were established (commercial magnetron, high-voltage pulse former) - Hardware was designed and built - Power measurements were taken and the required pulse parameters confirmed - Experimental evidence of MAE was observed

Potential Applications and Benefits
Potential applications of the MEDUSA system are as a perimeter protection sensor in deterrence systems for industrial and national sites, for use in systems to assist communication with hearing impaired persons, use by law enforcement and military personnel for crowd control and asset protection. The system will: be portable, require low power, have a controllable radius of coverage, be able to switch from crowd to individual coverage, cause a temporarily incapacitating effect, have a low probability of fatality or permanent injury, cause no damage to property, and have a low probability of affecting friendly personnel.

[deca]

As for your experience, with all due respect, why would they do this to you? Are you an important person to "the military" ? If so then how?


I am a human guniea pig ok
Somebody that people would think was making it up or have a mental illness
under MKultra they used to experiment on people at the edge of socity, i.e get a prositute to pick up a drunk then drug him and do experiments on him then dump him back on the street.

[deca]

So these two are not controlled by TPTB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_-txbHNyOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lpyinT-Usc

Last I checked they both got huge salaries and work for government companies. As opposed to not so popular among elite:


Dawkins is an educated twit!!!

Well worth watching

Michael Persinger - Psychotropic drugs and nature of reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4292093832329014323&q=persinger+drugs&ei=caA2SPWADo-GjgKc69HkAw


what about Dr. Nick Begich
http://www.earthpulse.com/

Are you a manchurian candidate
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1798412375197890541&q=Dr.+Nick+Begich+&ei=DKM2SKPmFYa4igL3o-TwAw

Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 1 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 2 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXfWbEiTLII&feature=related
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 3 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkeP0CappU&feature=related
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 4 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lExTqblIH_8&feature=related

[thirdwave]

Deco..

Why do you believe so strongly that ETEs are not relevant to this planet?

all you have done is suply some info you have come across which shows that the military have much more technology than they let on....

So what is your reason for thinking that every bit of UFO/ETE info is wrong..lies...or hoax's ??

[deca]

So what is your reason for thinking that every bit of UFO/ETE info is wrong..lies...or hoax's ??


I don`t but I know that people have been experimented on, implants, abducted, microwaves,dews,drugs and god knows what else and they have blamed ETE`s for it.

I am just searching for the truth and justest for these crimes agaist humanity

See we have Human rights, nuremberg code if we can prove these then we can stop and prosecute these crimanals if people think its ETEs then nothing will be done ok, We can`t prosecute ETEs can we now!!!!!!

The victims need the support of the people to get MP`s and people in power to do something to end/expose this, as long as they see it as effect a small number of people its easy for them to do nothing.
Easy for them to think we are mentaly ill, and brush the abuse under the carpet especialy if the mass can`t believe it or think this type iof technology is alien or spirts demons.

you got to understand operation paper clip how these natzi scientest who were used to use people as giunpigs were brought to America and probadly carried on there research,but it had to be covered up ok.
Remember that after ww2 europe,russia,japan were flattened,the USA was hardly touched and many countries owed it money for the war,this it was able to gain a technological advantage especially with the aid of the natzi scientests.

I.e they were big in propaganda ok

When did the UFO storys began?
Did not the natzi have sort of flying sorcer?

[eternal_spirit]

The cold war was a farce and propaganda, too make out the USA/the West etc was in competition with Russians/the East etc and the arms/space race to find the best weapons/ technology both in space and on earth, when in fact the top scientists from BOTH sides would meet up at conventions to discuss their technologies.

The technology they have and use on us Today is a combination of what the west and the communists discoverd.

The real reason for the billions spent on a so called space race was in reality to do with Big brother and alternative weapons/mind control etc, relate to the topics that deca posts.

[wabun]

Comparing the tissues, that I took from the crop circles in the UK with
that I took from my microwave oven, bought me to an interesting
conclusion : they look highly similar.

In other words, the crop circles have been produced by microwave laser
technology. This technology is used by the military.

Quite a leap from A to Z, eh people?

Yes, the grain from genuine crop circles contains stretched nodes in fresh plants, and expulsion fissures at the nodes in dry plants- signs that the plants have been flash-heated and immediately cooled, which looks very similar to what results when you put plants in a microwave. To immediately leap to "military" from this makes as much sense as the media telling us there are absolutely only two choices we have when it comes to crop circles: "Aliens" or "Humans."

I have come to know, through my research over the last 5 years, that genuine crop circles are planned out by the spirits of our ancestors, who enlist the help of "nature spirits" or "devas" when it comes time to physically create the formations. This is why the media, and the armies of Masonic/CIA/Pentagon/etc. bloggers such as "masonfreeparty" hired to muddy the information pool, give us only "Aliens" and "people" as the only two possible choices. The elite who control the media are absolutely terrified that the people of the Earth might begin to reconnect with the spirits of our ancestors, and so they hire CIA operatives and Freemasons like "masonfreeparty" to use words as weapons on the internet, using limited logic in ways that might fool less alert readers. Take the following example:

Now, back to my microscopic investigation : in both cases (from the UK
by artistic militaries and from my microwave & laser burner) the
tissues of the plants showed tiny particles of near-crystallized dust
that were melted / bonded with the tissue. Both the plants and the
insects were literally cooked. This effect can only be reached by
masers.
Hmm.. "This effect can only reached by masers?" Quite a confident-sounding statement at first glance, but if you pick it apart, the illusion of logic crumbles. Had "masonfree party" said instead, "This effect, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, can only be reached by masers" it would've left the door open to the truth, but that is the point of his post: he is trying to create the ILLUSION of airtight logic to gullible readers, as he has been taught. "masonfree party" knows full well that he's muddying the information pool on purpose; he does not believe a word he is writing.

This is how crop circles are made, with a computer guided maser
satellite, by bored artistic militaries. Period.
WOW! "Case closed, debate is over, nothing to see here people, move along now! I've figured it all out with my Super-Logic, crop circles are made by the military!"

Oh, and the light flashes ? Well, simple, because of the
electromagnetic field that is caused by the maser, the energy release
is perceived as a flash of light. Sure they leave traces of energy in
the plants, commonly incorrectly interpreted as spiritual energies of
some sort. I have been into this research myself when I was studying
all that stuff for my graduation.
Yes, we all know it's a common misperception that spirits exist, right, "masonfree?" It's ridiculous to think that souls are real, right? I guess that ball of light I saw at the Howell, Michigan crop formation in 2003, plus the hundreds of beautiful synchronicities in my life that began when I got involved with crop circles, had to be the military instead... *sigh* and I thought I was so close to finding something spiritual in crop circles. Thanks for saving me with your Super-Logic "masonfreeparty," I'll be a good boy from now on and I'll stop thinking about crop circles.

By the way, if indeed Aliens have been around for thousands of years,
how come that only since a few years cropcircles have been reported ?
Since a few years, however, we do have star wars satellites - made by
us - orbiting planet Earth. Once again, crop circles are NOT made by
Aliens or UFOs, but simply by a maser satellite, programmed by a bunch
of geeks. Keep it simple.
Crop circles have been reported and studied by white men since the 1600s, where references to crop circles begin showing up in newspapers and science journals. However, the phenomenon is apparently much older than that: some Native American legends contain obvious references to crop circles, and also refer to them as sacred places.

People, the elite are terrified of crop circles, because they are the work of our ancestors' spirits, giving us the missing information needed to bring down the New World Order that only a spirit who has crossed over could know.

Crop circles are giving us the map of the Earth's ley line grid, which is one of the New World Order's biggest hidden keys to power. By giving the map to the masses, the circlemakers are thus taking power away from the elite methodically, and handing that power over the people.

Also, crop circles have been consistently pointing us to sacred sites such as Indian Mounds and stone circles for a reason: it is at the intersections of ley lines where one can most easily contact spirits on "the other side," which is why the sacred sites were built there in the first place. Many crop circle researchers such as myself are into the theory that many sacred sites were actually built on top of crop circles and modeled after their designs, which does make alot of sense when you look at all the facts.

People, let's get out of this viper pit of a thread and raise the level of discussion, for I introduced myself on this forum yesterday with a new thread containing my grand announcement, which I can back up with hard data. The thread is titled "The ICCRA has cracked the crop circle code." Here's the link:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

At the 5th Annual meeting of the ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association) on May 9-11, 2008, a beautiful thing happened: a majority of attendees, including the core members of the ICCRA, organically converged into a mutual understanding of the answers behind three of the major questions behind the crop circle phenomenon, namely, 1)Who is making them, 2)Why they are making them, and 3)What they are trying to tell us. At the conference, I gave a 1 1/2 hour presentation on my decoding of several elements of crop circle language, and my perspective on how the crop circle phenomenon fits into the harsh realities of the New World Order as explained by David Icke.

Yes people, we've cracked the main crop circle code, and it's just detail work (decoding individual crop formations with the core language we've established) from here on out.

Read my announcement at the thread I started on this forum; after that, please read my essay "The Howell Crop Circles and The Illuminati," which was the basis for my presentation at the ICCRA conference, and which is the length of a full-length book when the hyperlinks I use for backup information are included in the "reading time." (Note to readers: I ask no one to "believe me" unless they have checked out all the evidence I have laid forth to back up my theories, and THEN made the decision with their own mind on whether or not my theories make sense.)

The proof is in the pudding; check it out and think for yourselves, people.

Rather than provide a link to my essay, I'll provide a link to the thread I started on this forum yesterday, as it is a crucial update of my perspective since I returned from the ICCRA conference; the link to my essay is then provided from there, but I want everyone to read the content of my announcement first.

Here's the link to my new thread again:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

The Thunderbird Wheel has been activated.

Happy decoding.

Jim Prange
Member, ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association)
616-745-4028

[romas]

I'll check all that out guys, thanks for links.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: wabun

I have come to know, through my research over the last 5 years, that genuine crop circles are planned out by the spirits of our ancestors, who enlist the help of "nature spirits" or "devas" when it comes time to physically create the formations. This is why the media, and the armies of Masonic/CIA/Pentagon/etc. bloggers such as "masonfreeparty" hired to muddy the information pool, give us only "Aliens" and "people" as the only two possible choices. The elite who control the media are absolutely terrified that the people of the Earth might begin to reconnect with the spirits of our ancestors, and so they hire CIA operatives and Freemasons like "masonfreeparty" to use words as weapons on the internet, using limited logic in ways that might fool less alert readers.

they are the work of our ancestors' spirits, giving us the missing information needed to bring down the New World Order that only a spirit who has crossed over could know.

.................
Nonsense

I've read your post and you're a more likely candidate for spreading disinformation with your New Age religion. Masonfreeparty is a truther, only a none truther disinfo agent such as yourself would label him what you have.

Do you realise how stupid the last paragraph from your post reads. You're implanting false belief systems into people's minds based on none reality ( myths ) which may lead to giving people with less discernable minds... false hopes and solutions. while the NWO do real evils in the real world, which takes real people to take real actions for a solution not some pseudo spiritual nonsense.


I think your a liar or seriously deluded
Unless you care to explain the text I've highlighted in bold?

[phildee3]

You're implanting false belief systems into people's minds based on none reality ( myths ) which may lead to giving people with less discernable minds... false hopes and solutions.



We make our own reality,

and I'd rather have wabun's, than yours and masonfreeparty's, quite honestly,
besides, it's highly consistant with the megalithic phenomenon.

What you call the "real" world, David Icke (and many others) have shown is, in fact, external illusion.

Myth, however, is more real because it comes from within.

Imagination, too, is more real than your horrendous "real world," -
let's use it to create a beautiful future!

[wabun]

Nonsense

I've read your postand nothing more than my post, of course, even though my post was obviously and invitation/doorway for everyone to read my entire essay which details the hard data which has led me to this conclusion, and then to THINK FOR THEMSELVES to decide whether my theory makes sense. You have not read my essay, yet you write as if you've made an informed decision.

People... see how this works? Would you take a movie review seriously if you knew the reviewer had not even seen the movie? Of course not, which is why eternal spirit's "opinion" on my theory is automatically null and void.and you're a more likely candidate for spreading disinformation with your New Age religion.The spiritual viewpoints I have expressed are exactly the OPPOSITE of a "New Age religion," because I arrived at them armed with nothing more than 1) The personal database of knowledge and feelings that exists within my independent brain and soul, 2) the bare-bones analogy of "light vs. dark" offered by the language of the "daily cycle" core of the Thunderbird legend, and 3) my contact with spirits during my visits to the Indian Mounds, which I also invite everyone else to TRY OUT FOR THEMSELVES and come to their own conclusions before "believing me."

The personal spiritual conclusions I have shared in my main post on this forum (not this one) are the polar opposite of "New Age religion" because I came to my own conclusions completely free of other people's traditions, apart from the two-sentence bare-bones framework of "light vs. dark" offered by the framework of the Thunderbird legend, and because I ask NO ONE to "believe me" because of my post; I only ask that people check out all of the evidence I have laid before them, and to THINK FOR THEMSELVES to decide if the evidence supports my theory.

Masonfreeparty is a truther, only a none truther disinfo agent such as yourself would label him what you have.Bold words, coming from someone who didn't even check out my evidence before arriving at an "opinion."

Do you realise how stupid the last paragraph from your post reads. You're implanting false belief systems into people's minds based on none reality ( myths ) which may lead to giving people with less discernable minds... false hopes and solutions. while the NWO do real evils in the real world, which takes real people to take real actions for a solution not some pseudo spiritual nonsense.
Rather than repeat my first response to the "New Age religion" accusation, I'll only repeat that I've only asked people to check out the evidence and think for themselves.
I think your a liar or seriously deluded
Unless you care to explain the text I've highlighted in bold?
It's all explained in my essay, which you did not read. There is no point to wasting time explaining it on this thread, as I already have presented my case in my essay.

Readers, this was just an exercise in calling out disinformation agents such as masonfree party and eternal spirit, just so you could see how it really works.

Do not underestimate the percentage of people who are hired by the New World Order to swarm messageboards such as this with "opinions" that are intended to sway weaker readers who aren't prone to checking out evidence and thinking for themselves.

Both "masonfree party" and "eternal spirit" have made their true nature exceedingly obvious to all readers of this thread.

Would any of you other disinformation agents like to come out of the woodwork and reveal your game to the public? This thread is a great place to do it, because my group has just found out much of the truth about crop circles, and the data WILL prove this to anyone with an open mind who checks out my essay and all of the hyperlinks to other websites contained within, and therefore will prove that everything that you have posted on this forum is skewed to intentionally mislead people.

Disinformation agents are sometimes very easy to spot; they're the ones who express "strong opinions" about something they obviously haven't even checked out, and then attack writers such as myself who invite readers to check out the evidence and think for themselves before coming to conclusions.

I would now like to invite anyone interested in what I'm saying to move this discussion to its main thread, which I created as the preferred doorway to read in its entirety before checking out my essay. The thread is titled "The ICCRA has cracked the crop circle code." Here's the link to my main thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

[romas]

Disinformation agents are sometimes very easy to spot; they're the ones who express "strong opinions" about something they obviously haven't even checked out, and then attack writers such as myself who invite readers to check out the evidence and think for themselves before coming to conclusions.



This is what pisses me off about these "experts" on reality, everyone is so sure about their own view point, demanding proof, while providing none. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, if somebody wishes to stroke their own self esteem through superimposed, personal, belief system then I have only one thing to say:

argumentum ad ignorantiam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)

[eternal_spirit]

My point about New religions has been proven on this thread ( Some of you are as bad as the fundamentalist mentality of the old religions ) Attack anyone with a differing POV about your crop circle ufo belief in aliens religion and turn it into your pre judged dellusions about me and others.

I'm a none believer in your religion so therefore you turn it into a personal attack ( Notice I haven't got personal with anyone here )

I said earlier I'm on the fence about crop circles. Remember the Wizard of Oz,( also to do with mind control and implanting false beliefs and realities) turns out to be a man pushing buttons on machines. Be careful seems you're being lead up the yellow brick road. I think it's far more likely to be a man made tricks.

Wabun I doubt very much there's anything in your article/essay that I haven't read before.
The fact you're new here and have the nerve to call me and masonfreeparty disinfo etc tells me that you are here on a mission to spread disinfo or misinfo, maybe both.

Be ready to give up your new chosen religious like faith, when you find out maybe one day that it's all a fake.

[drael]

Seen a UFO. Never been to a crop circle. Not much with confidence be said about either of these topics, as there little evidence or facts.

Certainly crop circles seems hard to build properly as a hoax. The military thing lacks motive though - why cut corn? Yes billions of dollars spent, now let cut us come corn! lol. Seems like a lame explaination to me, for that reason. But who knows if its aliens. Could be tiny little gnomes living on atoms trying to communicate via their superior gnome technology.

As for aliens visiting our planet. Its statistically likely although outside of the scope of our mainstream human science (requires FTL type travel, like wormholes or space folds - all possibile though in theory). Certainly seems plausible on the basis of the facts, aliens that is. Anyone who denies the possibility these days (of aliens) is IMO, a bit of a nut, given facts on life creation and the size of the universe.

UFOs have been seen in undeniable circumstances IMO. Mass sightings, military sightings etc. They are real phenomena, and obviously not a natural phenomena either (the objects are solid, metallic and travel intelligently). Could be goverment (they def did research UFOs), could be aliens, transdimensional wobblers or secret chinese assassins.

Someone who makes up their mind without knowing? thats called guessing.

When it comes to the great mysteries of our universe, i prefer not to guess. It is what it is.

[thirdwave]

and nothing more than my post, of course, even though my post was obviously and invitation/doorway for everyone to read my entire essay which details the hard data which has led me to this conclusion, and then to THINK FOR THEMSELVES to decide whether my theory makes sense. You have not read my essay, yet you write as if you've made an informed decision.

People... see how this works? Would you take a movie review seriously if you knew the reviewer had not even seen the movie? Of course not, which is why eternal spirit's "opinion" on my theory is automatically null and void.The spiritual viewpoints I have expressed are exactly the OPPOSITE of a "New Age religion," because I arrived at them armed with nothing more than 1) The personal database of knowledge and feelings that exists within my independent brain and soul, 2) the bare-bones analogy of "light vs. dark" offered by the language of the "daily cycle" core of the Thunderbird legend, and 3) my contact with spirits during my visits to the Indian Mounds, which I also invite everyone else to TRY OUT FOR THEMSELVES and come to their own conclusions before "believing me."

The personal spiritual conclusions I have shared in my main post on this forum (not this one) are the polar opposite of "New Age religion" because I came to my own conclusions completely free of other people's traditions, apart from the two-sentence bare-bones framework of "light vs. dark" offered by the framework of the Thunderbird legend, and because I ask NO ONE to "believe me" because of my post; I only ask that people check out all of the evidence I have laid before them, and to THINK FOR THEMSELVES to decide if the evidence supports my theory.
Bold words, coming from someone who didn't even check out my evidence before arriving at an "opinion."

Rather than repeat my first response to the "New Age religion" accusation, I'll only repeat that I've only asked people to check out the evidence and think for themselves.
It's all explained in my essay, which you did not read. There is no point to wasting time explaining it on this thread, as I already have presented my case in my essay.

Readers, this was just an exercise in calling out disinformation agents such as masonfree party and eternal spirit, just so you could see how it really works.

Do not underestimate the percentage of people who are hired by the New World Order to swarm messageboards such as this with "opinions" that are intended to sway weaker readers who aren't prone to checking out evidence and thinking for themselves.

Both "masonfree party" and "eternal spirit" have made their true nature exceedingly obvious to all readers of this thread.

Would any of you other disinformation agents like to come out of the woodwork and reveal your game to the public? This thread is a great place to do it, because my group has just found out much of the truth about crop circles, and the data WILL prove this to anyone with an open mind who checks out my essay and all of the hyperlinks to other websites contained within, and therefore will prove that everything that you have posted on this forum is skewed to intentionally mislead people.

Disinformation agents are sometimes very easy to spot; they're the ones who express "strong opinions" about something they obviously haven't even checked out, and then attack writers such as myself who invite readers to check out the evidence and think for themselves before coming to conclusions.

I would now like to invite anyone interested in what I'm saying to move this discussion to its main thread, which I created as the preferred doorway to read in its entirety before checking out my essay. The thread is titled "The ICCRA has cracked the crop circle code." Here's the link to my main thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861



it took my a while to realise it.. but i will pass it on to you.. there is no use at all trying to converse with this person... he is not here to learn or to debate he has a concrete belief system and will fight tooth and nail to defend it....

it has got to the point now that believing in life off of earth is views as a religion! lol, I mean you look at things like Monty python and you realise they were just normal sketches taken from the future!

as we get closer to the coming age people are going to get more crazy.... as its what happens when you refuse to allow new conciousness and awareness into your mind....

I realised that even in people like my self there is a crazy person... and its this person who feels the need to argue with people like ES....

the only time people like him will admit to ETEs or so on... is when he is trying to convince people they are genetic creations by the military....

we must also never expect people who defend a religion of any kind to understand or except the vast majority of these concepts...

thanks for the link all the same..

[thirdwave]

Certainly crop circles seems hard to build properly as a hoax. The military thing lacks motive though - why cut corn? Yes billions of dollars spent, now let cut us come corn! lol. Seems like a lame explaination to me, for that reason. But who knows if its aliens. Could be tiny little gnomes living on atoms trying to communicate via their superior gnome technology.

for me anything that is outside our view of reality is an alien... as if we knew about space beings and they became apart of our reality would they still be aliens?




When it comes to the great mysteries of our universe, i prefer not to guess. It is what it is.

this is where craziness comes into it.... very few people i know who believe in ETEs know what's going on... nor claim to.... it simply a case of being very open to the fact they are here..or relevant.... and its THIS that other have a problem with...

if we were going around saying... this is what they want!.... this is what's going on!.... this is what we need to do!....

then I could understand why some might say... "hang on... how do you know...blah blah blah..."

but that's not the case they are trying to tell us to put our heads in a smaller box... and to me that's like a heroin addict passing he his needle.

[drael]

that's not the case they are trying to tell us to put our heads in a smaller box... and to me that's like a heroin addict passing he his needle.

Exactly. So weird when someone offers a set explaination for a mysterious phenomena and think that simplifies the phenomena. It doesnt. It simplifies ur head. The phenomena remains the same.

this is what they want!.... this is what's going on!.... this is what we need to do!....

Well to be fair, there is a very small minority of new agers that do this but these are not at all representative of people who are interested in UFOs or crop circles - most people who beleive in aliens etc are open-minded, thats the nature of the thing, u kinda have to be. And having some outside experience, like seeing a UFO does blow ur world and ideas open. When i saw mine, with physics out the window, i realised we can simply never know anything for sure. That realisations has become everything in every area for me. Give me an assertion, theres an alternative.

for me anything that is outside our view of reality is an alien... as if we knew about space beings and they became apart of our reality would they still be aliens?


Yes i suppose wed consider tiny gnomes aliens too :P

[wabun]

Seen a UFO. Never been to a crop circle. Not much with confidence be said about either of these topics, as there little evidence or facts.
Au contraire.

The subject of “crop circles” is the most tangible “paranormal” phenomenon on this Earth; the evidence of the genuine phenomenon is both overwhelming and undeniable.

I recommend checking out several of the crop circle websites on “The Crop Circle Webring” and doing a little reading up in general on the science end of crop circles, before making an ass of yourself again on a forum discussing crop circles by saying that the subject of crop circles is one of which there is “little evidence or facts.” You’re making yourself look highly ignorant, and you don’t want that, do you? Check out the information first, and then come back to us when you’re ready to start expressing informed opinions to the public. Here’s the link:
http://www.vigay.com/cgi-bin/webring?ring=cropcircle
it took my a while to realise it.. but i will pass it on to you.. there is no use at all trying to converse with this person... he is not here to learn or to debate he has a concrete belief system and will fight tooth and nail to defend it....
Are you talking about me?? And if so, could you please explain in detail why the sum of the facts and evidence I have presented in my essay ( www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) does not make sense to you?

Disinformation agents are sometimes very easy to spot; they're the ones who express "strong opinions" about something they obviously haven't even checked out, and then attack writers such as myself who invite readers to check out the evidence and think for themselves before coming to conclusions.
This is what pisses me off about these "experts" on reality, everyone is so sure about their own view point, demanding proof, while providing none. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, if somebody wishes to stroke their own self esteem through superimposed, personal, belief system then I have only one thing to say:

argumentum ad ignorantiam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)
Don’t let them piss you off, romas; remember, this is their job, and pissing you off is part of what they’re trying to achieve.

Readers, I’ll say it again: masonfree party and eternal spirits are paid disinformation agents. They are here because the New World Order has hired them for their skills in using words as weapons, creating the illusion of making the nonsensical sound reasonable. They are hired to swarm in on popular messageboards in teams, to fool the more naïve readers to think that there is a reasonable “popular consensus” against the poster with whom they appear to “disagree,” while lowering the tone of the discussion to prevent an actual discussion of facts and evidence among the more intelligent writers, on threads where genuine people are getting a little too close to the truth.

Notice how “eternal spirit” actually admits that he has not checked out my essay ( www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) which contains the wealth of evidence that I am attempting to get people to actually discuss on this thread:

Wabun I doubt very much there's anything in your article/essay that I haven't read before.
The fact you're new here and have the nerve to call me and masonfreeparty disinfo etc tells me that you are here on a mission to spread disinfo or misinfo, maybe both.

Be ready to give up your new chosen religious like faith, when you find out maybe one day that it's all a fake.
Of course, he doesn’t have time to actually read the essay that he is creating the illusion of debunking—after all, this is his job! Just look at how many posts he’s racked up on this forum in the year and four months since he joined this forum: 7,785 at the time of this writing.

Next, notice how he tries to play the “religion” card again, even though I clearly explained the difference between what I’m communicating and a “religion” a few posts back. I’ll just repost that again here, to demonstrate:
People... see how this works? Would you take a movie review seriously if you knew the reviewer had not even seen the movie? Of course not, which is why eternal spirit's "opinion" on my theory is automatically null and void.The spiritual viewpoints I have expressed are exactly the OPPOSITE of a "New Age religion," because I arrived at them armed with nothing more than 1) The personal database of knowledge and feelings that exists within my independent brain and soul, 2) the bare-bones analogy of "light vs. dark" offered by the language of the "daily cycle" core of the Thunderbird legend, and 3) my contact with spirits during my visits to the Indian Mounds, which I also invite everyone else to TRY OUT FOR THEMSELVES and come to their own conclusions before "believing me."

The personal spiritual conclusions I have shared in my main post on this forum (not this one) are the polar opposite of "New Age religion" because I came to my own conclusions completely free of other people's traditions, apart from the two-sentence bare-bones framework of "light vs. dark" offered by the framework of the Thunderbird legend, and because I ask NO ONE to "believe me" because of my post; I only ask that people check out all of the evidence I have laid before them, and to THINK FOR THEMSELVES to decide if the evidence supports my theory.
Next, notice in the next passage how he is implying that I believe crop circles are made by aliens, while using crafty wording so that he could maybe deny he’s specifically talking about me:
My point about New religions has been proven on this thread ( Some of you are as bad as the fundamentalist mentality of the old religions ) Attack anyone with a differing POV about your crop circle ufo belief in aliens religion and turn it into your pre judged dellusions about me and others.
My interpretation of this: he is trying to get some of the people reading this thread, who may be coming in halfway through the discussion, to believe that he is disagreeing with someone who is into a “crop circle/new age/alien religion.” His Masonic masters are desperate to bury the questions I have brought up in my posts and especially in my extensive essay on crop circle decoding, and they know that many people have bad short-term memories and poor attention spans. His Masonic masters don’t want too many people to notice that on the subject of the origin of crop circles, I have just offered up hard evidence of a third option (SPIRITS) to the "default" choices of either “aliens” or “human hoaxers” that have been forced down our throat by the media since crop circles started making the news in modern times. “eternal spirit” knows that this word-trickery works on many less observant readers, who may have not have read all of my posts on this thread. Most of all, his Masonic masters do NOT want people to actually check out the evidence I have offered up on crop circle decoding, and to actually discuss the evidence on this thread.

Next, notice how he then skillfully portrays himself as one who is taking the “higher road:”

I'm a none believer in your religion so therefore you turn it into a personal attack ( Notice I haven't got personal with anyone here )

Well, here’s a “personal attack” for you. I’m into calling a spade a spade, especially when the spade doesn’t get the message the first time:

”eternal spirit” and “masonfree party” are disinformation agents hired to use their tricky skills with words to knowingly tell lies, to knowingly confuse the gullible and to knowingly lower the tone of discussions on the David Icke forums, to prevent key discussions on the forum from reaching the higher level necessary for genuine people to find truth here.

Now, is anyone reading this thread ready to start an actual in-depth discussion about crop circles? If some of you do, but feel uncomfortable due to the constant presence of vipers such as “masonfree party” and “eternal spirit,” feel free to post on my personal messageboard about crop circles, at the following link:
http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/cropcirclesthemessage/index.cgi

For those who are coming in halfway through, I have joined this forum to attempt to get some of David Icke’s readers up to speed with what I believe is the cutting edge of crop circle research. One big reason I am paying so much attention to this forum, vipers and all: without the worldview of “The New World Order As Explained By David Icke,” I never would have found many of the informational leads that led to many of my most significant contributions to the language of crop circle decoding. I am here to stimulate discussions about the facts and evidence that I present to support my theories and beliefs on the subject of crop circles, consequently, to support my claim that the fifth annual meeting of the ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association) in May 2008, of which I was one of the presenters, was the “cutting edge,” the meeting where the “code was cracked.”

If anyone wants to hear the full case I’m presenting and then discuss it intelligently from there, please read two items in the following order:

1)my posts in the thread I started about the ICCRA “cracking the code.” This is probably the best “default” thread to discuss my claim that the “code has been cracked.” It is found at this link:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

2)my semi-lengthy online essay on crop circle decoding, which has been gradually expanding towards “book length”for five years, and which contains many links for further reading and for extra supporting evidence:
http://www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm

If anyone who has actually read both of those things would like to actually discuss it here, and to maybe even discuss facts and evidence, I am looking forward to it. On the David Icke forums, the best place to discuss it would be the thread I started here about the ICCRA “cracking the code.” Once again, the link to that thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

Remember, though, that this forum is a battlefield, swarming with disinformation agents who are purposefully trying to ruin all of the key discussions. Don’t let them get to you, because that’s the effect they want to have on you. But for those who can’t handle the constant barrage of lies, dishonest wordplay and hard-core “psy-ops” cluttering up many of the discussions here, consider my fledgling forum as “shelter from the storm.” Here’s the link to my forum again:
http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/cropcirclesthemessage/index.cgi

Happy decoding.

[drael]

Au contraire.

The subject of “crop circles” is the most tangible “paranormal” phenomenon on this Earth; the evidence of the genuine phenomenon is both overwhelming and undeniable.

Well really that statement was a little off what my intention was. What i meant to say is there is little evidence about what _causes_ the phenomena. Crop circles are clearly odd. They appear far faster than can be done by hand, and at high expense (expensive equipment for the radiation effect). Hoaxing just isnt a pluasible explaination. Because they appear so quickly, its certainly a mystery IMO.

UFOs similarly really. They clearly exist, there is much evidence for that. They move too fast to be any known man made science, yet they are clearly objects, not weather. Another clear mystery IMO.

Actually theres plenty of evidence for both these things. And crop circles are very tangible, in that one can investigate them oneself. I am certainly not ignorant, i know i know nothing.

[thirdwave]

Well to be fair, there is a very small minority of new agers that do this but these are not at all representative of people who are interested in UFOs or crop circles - most people who beleive in aliens etc are open-minded, thats the nature of the thing, u kinda have to be. And having some outside experience, like seeing a UFO does blow ur world and ideas open. When i saw mine, with physics out the window, i realised we can simply never know anything for sure. That realisations has become everything in every area for me. Give me an assertion, theres an alternative.

ahh yeah, there are some who think that come 2012 8 foot tall annunaki people are going to be roming the earth running the world.... and other views as well... but they use this to cover the whole thing.....

in other words all the PTB have to do is put a silly idea down and the whole idea is scoffed at.... or, they put a another theory down that is actually far more crazy that ETEs being real, but because people are so trapped in not being able to step out of their box, they will hold onto anything else they are thrown...providing its in their box.



Yes i suppose wed consider tiny gnomes aliens too :P

:) totally.

[eternal_spirit]

Readers, I’ll say it again: masonfree party and eternal spirits are paid disinformation agents. They are here because the New World Order has hired them for their skills in using words as weapons, creating the illusion of making the nonsensical sound reasonable. They are hired to swarm in on popular messageboards in teams, to fool the more naïve readers to think that there is a reasonable “popular consensus” against the poster with whom they appear to “disagree,” while lowering the tone of the discussion to prevent an actual discussion of facts and evidence among the more intelligent writers, on threads where genuine people are getting a little too close to the truth.

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That's why me and masonfreeparty ( note the name ) post against Freemasonry:rolleyes:

But the real reason you're here to make up insane claims about us, is because you don't want any other views in competition with your theories about crop circles. Which is pat of your New Age Masonic masters agenda. See culture creators, the New Age Culture has been created and is promoted by TPB.

[deca]

The military thing lacks motive though - why cut corn? Yes billions of dollars spent, now let cut us come corn!

Hmm does it not take 15 seconds to make a crop circle with microwaves.
I would worry about what this hardware is doing 364 days 23 hrs 59mins 45 secs of the year.

[kblood]

Readers, I’ll say it again: masonfree party and eternal spirits are paid disinformation agents. They are here because the New World Order has hired them for their skills in using words as weapons, creating the illusion of making the nonsensical sound reasonable. They are hired to swarm in on popular messageboards in teams, to fool the more naïve readers to think that there is a reasonable “popular consensus” against the poster with whom they appear to “disagree,” while lowering the tone of the discussion to prevent an actual discussion of facts and evidence among the more intelligent writers, on threads where genuine people are getting a little too close to the truth.

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That's why me and masonfreeparty ( note the name ) post against Freemasonry:rolleyes:

But the real reason you're here to make up insane claims about us, is because you don't want any other views in competition with your theories about crop circles. Which is pat of your New Age Masonic masters agenda. See culture creators, the New Age Culture has been created and is promoted by TPB.

You have made a some good anti freemasonry posts ET, but masonfree party, from what I have read so far his (or her?) posts actually seems to support freemasonry by making everyone who doesnt support freemasonry look bad. Making it look ridiculous. I surely wouldnt be surprised if it was a clever freemason behind "Masonfreeparty"''s account :rolleyes:

[kblood]

As for Wabuns posts and beliefs about spirits being the... beings responsible for making cropcircles, then it cant be fully denied, just like most crop circle theories. The only real difference I see between Wabuns belief and aliens making the crop circles, is that Wabun says that it is ancestor spirits that is doing it, not spirits of beings that did not come from Earth to begin with.

My view and belief in spirits and aliens is that the most enlighted and spiritually evolved aliens doesnt really differ much from highly evolved spirits. At least from what I have read, it is said that there are aliens so powerfull that they can make UFOs simply by willing it. With their imagination and creative power alone, they can make the technology we usually only see in science fiction. They just access a memory of a UFO and then manifests the memory, just like when people materialise items that are known to them. Of course it isnt really common for humans to materialise items or objects out of nowhere, but it does happen. Wether they come from somewhere or is imagined into being is another question about it, but I guess most people just choose not to believe it possible.

I havent done much decoding of crop circles, in fact I havent studied them much. I do believe they hold great secrets though that can help us discover and uncover some of the great secrets and mysteries.

I am not used to spirits that are more powerfull than living beings. I have only met ghosts in fact, so I guess they might not really count as a spirit at all. I have met beings that might qualify as spirits though, beings that seems to be guarding the dimension between ours and the spirits or something like that. Helping ghosts find their way, and maybe keeping beings that arent supposed to be here, away. As you might have noticed, I like to do some guessing :) It is based on my own experiences though, and the research I have done because of them.

Anyone who can share some of the decoded messages, images or whatever that has come from crop circles?

[beldazar]

I read all through Wabuns website and one thing struck me....what if aliens ARE the spirit of our ancestors? Good site by the way. :)

[thirdwave]

Hmm does it not take 15 seconds to make a crop circle with microwaves.
I would worry about what this hardware is doing 364 days 23 hrs 59mins 45 secs of the year.

I would worry about the outrageous lengths you feel the government has gone to to convinced the people that they have been hiding ETEs and UFOs from us for as long as our and our parents and there parents lives....

that's a pretty solid and thorough campaign with unbelievable resolve and with no mistakes....... and one hell of a "distraction" campaign.

to me its as much of a distraction as somone shitting on your lap in order to distract you from knowing about them spitting on your back.

[wabun]

Seen a UFO. Never been to a crop circle. Not much with confidence be said about either of these topics, as there little evidence or facts.Well really that statement was a little off what my intention was. What i meant to say is there is little evidence about what _causes_ the phenomena. Crop circles are clearly odd. They appear far faster than can be done by hand, and at high expense (expensive equipment for the radiation effect). Hoaxing just isnt a pluasible explaination. Because they appear so quickly, its certainly a mystery IMO.

UFOs similarly really. They clearly exist, there is much evidence for that. They move too fast to be any known man made science, yet they are clearly objects, not weather. Another clear mystery IMO.

Actually theres plenty of evidence for both these things. And crop circles are very tangible, in that one can investigate them oneself. I am certainly not ignorant, i know i know nothing.
Well said… I apologize for my harsh tone; I’m definitely in “battle mode” right now, as I’m in the process of exposing a couple of “government spooks” who have made their true nature known on this thread. At the time of my last post, it didn’t seem like any of the posters, including you and thirdwave, were interested in discussing anything from my essay, and all involved seemed to be ignoring my pleas to check out my mountain of evidence that I think supports my case, and then to apply it to this discussion.

I can tell now that your wording on the “little evidence” statement was not what you meant to say, so you “drew my fire” as I was in the midst of “battle.” Just be careful how you word things around here! There is indeed a battle going on between “light” and “dark” on controversial messageboards all over the internet, and David Icke’s forum contains many of the most intense battlefields.

The many kinds of evidence of “unexplained energy events” found in the grain of genuine crop circles give many clues, but noone yet has still been able to completely piece together the scientific explanation for “how.”

The smoking gun of all of the hard evidence for “energy events” in the grain is the stretched-node phenomenon. If you take, say, 100 grains from inside a genuine crop circle in green grain, and then 100 grains from at least ten feet outside the formation (control samples), and then measure and compare compare each and every sample from the the two categories, you will often find that the nodes of the grain from inside the formation are stretched, sometimes to twice the length of the nodes of the control samples. The only known way for a mortal human being to duplicate this effect is to cook the plants in a microwave.

Physical examination of the nodes from the samples from inside genuine crop formations shows evidence that the grains have been somehow flash-heated and flash-cooled in an instant. How is this done? It still can’t be explained. More examples of categories of evidence that can be tested in the grain can be found, for one classic examples, in my good friend and fellow ICCRA member Dr. Charles Lietzau’s use of his “L-NEAT” system of crop circle analysis found in the field report of the 2003 Kekoskee / Mayville, WI formation, which is currently found at several links, including the following link:
http://www.enjoyhoriconmarsh.com/events_attractions/2003/cropcircles_fieldreport.htm

There are clues outside of grain tests to the “how” as well… Most crop circles appear near power lines and areas of abundant water, which seems to be an indicator that whoever is creating crop circles finds it useful to utilize the natural forces of electricity and water in the creation process.

However, I feel that some of the things we figured out at the 5th ICCRA meeting may provide new valuable clues as to the “how,” though the “how” still remains the biggest mystery of the crop circle phenomenon.

At the conference, several groundbreaking new clues were revealed to the attendees as the presentations unfolded. The conversations between attendees over the weekend led to what felt like a completely organic convergence of understanding, where a majority of us collectively realized, on both spoken and unspoken levels, that we had solved three of the major questions of the crop circle mystery: 1)Who or what is making crop circles? 2)Why are they being made? And 3)What are the central themes of the messages that the circlemakers are trying to give us in code?

The answers to these questions that I propose, partially as a mouthpiece for the “group understanding” at the conference, but fully as as a mouthpiece for my personal perspective on it, would be:

1) Many of the spirits of our ancestors, working as a cooperative team who have chosen to “stick around and help out their mortal descendants on Earth,” are the “masterminds” behind the crop circle phenomenon. When the time is right to physically create a formation they have planned, they enlist the “forces of nature,” which may be actual conscious “nature spirits” or “devas,” to physically create the formation.
2) They are making crop formations because the information they are relaying to the masses is the crucial “missing information” needed to awake the masses to the point where the New World Order, which can only exist on the condition that a high enough percentage of the masses remain ignorant to this crucial information, can be peacefully dismantled.
3) The central “theme messages” of the entire crop circle phenomenon are all related to one thing: the map of the Earth’s ley line (or “energy line”) grid, which is being methodically revealed to crop circle researchers, and consequently the masses, with an increasing pace each year. Crop circles are consistently appearing next to Indian Mounds and other sacred sites, which brings me to another central message: ancient sacred sites are usually built on the intersections of ley lines, often near water. My take on it is that the sacred sites’ locations were planned around those two factors, and physically designed as “conductors” to harness the natural Earth energy converging at those locations, where spirits could be contacted most easily.

One step further into my personal theories: I think that it is possible to ask the spirits contacted at these locations to literally improve one’s DNA, to unlock some of that old “junk DNA” to revitalize a person, by harnessing the natural energy at the location through the “conductor” built into the site and changing the person’s DNA with a process that is just as mysterious (in the “how” category) as the process of the creation of a crop formation, which may be very similar. I think one of the ultimate routes to world peace offered by the circlemakers may very well be very similar to the ending of Jim Henson’s “The Dark Crystal,” where the Mystics (Thunderbirds) quest to reunite with the unwilling Skeksis (Serpents, whose time to rule on Earth has ended) to recreate the balanced and powerful super-beings once known as Ur-Skeks (the 2012-shift-ready, DNA-enhanced human whose reptilian side has been genetically rebalanced with the long-suppressed Thunderbird side.) Perhaps groups of “info-warriors” could be “charged up” this way at some of these mounds to fight the New World Order; under this idea, the “Thunderbird-aligned” spirits who watch over the mound sites during the daytime would gladly help any willing “info-warrior” who asks, if the spirits know the prospective “warrior’s” intentions are pure, whereas “Serpent-aligned” spirits who haunt the Mounds at night could only make their “warriors” more genetically reptilian, and thus even more “unbalanced,” if anything. Read the first few paragraphs of my initial thread on this forum (titled “The ICCRA has cracked the crop circle code”) which detail my “solo tour” of the Indian Mounds on the way back home from the conference, and you may get a few hints as to how I came up with the above theory, which may sound quite insane to those who have less background as to where I’m coming from.

Anyway, one of my philosophies is that noone should ever be afraid to “think outside the box,” or to sometimes present those ideas present those ideas for public consideration. You never know when a lightbulb is going to go on in someone’s head…

ahh yeah, there are some who think that come 2012 8 foot tall annunaki people are going to be roming the earth running the world.... and other views as well... but they use this to cover the whole thing.....

in other words all the PTB have to do is put a silly idea down and the whole idea is scoffed at.... or, they put a another theory down that is actually far more crazy that ETEs being real, but because people are so trapped in not being able to step out of their box, they will hold onto anything else they are thrown...providing its in their box.

:) totally.
I’ve got a good feeling that by 2012, this planet will be balanced with “Thunderbird” (light) energy, and that the out-of-hand “Serpent” (dark) energy will finally be balanced and kept in check. I wouldn’t worry about the Annunaki running the world; it’s already over for them, as “the information wheel” that will dismantle their New World Order is already spinning too fast to stop.
The military thing lacks motive though - why cut corn? Yes billions of dollars spent, now let cut us come corn! lol. Hmm does it not take 15 seconds to make a crop circle with microwaves.
I would worry about what this hardware is doing 364 days 23 hrs 59mins 45 secs of the year.
The military thing indeed lacks a motive—as does the alien thing. The spirits of our ancestors, however, would have a motive: they love us, so they don’t want the planet to go to sh*t.
Readers, I’ll say it again: masonfree party and eternal spirits are paid disinformation agents. They are here because the New World Order has hired them for their skills in using words as weapons, creating the illusion of making the nonsensical sound reasonable. They are hired to swarm in on popular messageboards in teams, to fool the more naïve readers to think that there is a reasonable “popular consensus” against the poster with whom they appear to “disagree,” while lowering the tone of the discussion to prevent an actual discussion of facts and evidence among the more intelligent writers, on threads where genuine people are getting a little too close to the truth.

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That's why me and masonfreeparty ( note the name ) post against Freemasonry:rolleyes:

But the real reason you're here to make up insane claims about us, is because you don't want any other views in competition with your theories about crop circles. Which is pat of your New Age Masonic masters agenda. See culture creators, the New Age Culture has been created and is promoted by TPB.You have made a some good anti freemasonry posts ET, but masonfree party, from what I have read so far his (or her?) posts actually seems to support freemasonry by making everyone who doesnt support freemasonry look bad. Making it look ridiculous. I surely wouldnt be surprised if it was a clever freemason behind "Masonfreeparty"''s account :rolleyes:
I think “eternal spirit” said it best himself:

That's why me and masonfreeparty ( note the name ) post against Freemasonry.
You’ll find it’s very common that Masonic/CIA/Pentagon etc. disinformation agents lurking on messageboards will often hide behind usernames containing symbolism that appears to align with the side of light, such as the username “masonfree party” and the username “eternal spirit.”

It’s very telling that I’ve reduced “eternal spirit,” at this point, to the elementary-school tactic of “I know you are, but what am I?” Observe his disintegration:


But the real reason you're here to make up insane claims about us, is because you don't want any other views in competition with your theories about crop circles. Which is pat of your New Age Masonic masters agenda. See culture creators, the New Age Culture has been created and is promoted by TPB.
I fully embrace discussion of other views in competition with my theories about crop circles. So far, there hasn’t been any actual “discussion,” since “eternal spirit” and “masonfree party” have been intentionally preventing it with their ridiculous “psy-ops” posts. Once again, and I’m going to start reposting this like a mantra, people: I only ask that readers of my posts on this forum check out the evidence I provide in my crop circle essay ( www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm )before putting an opinion on my theories out for public consumption.

As for my “insane claims” that they are disinformation agents, let it be known that the Pentagon has already publicly "considered" hiring thousands of people to post things anonymously on internet messageboards everywhere, in order to “fight anti-American propaganda.” (How’s that for Orwellian speech-reversal?)

One article on the issue, linked below, begins:

Noah Shachtman at Danger Room finds a 2006 report written for U.S. Special Operations Command that suggests ways the military should deal with the blogosphere. One suggestion is for the military to hire bloggers to “pass the U.S. message“:

Link to the article here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/31/military-report-secretly-recruit-or-hire-bloggers/

For those who have come in late into this discussion, I’ll say that at this point, I think I have sufficiently exposed “eternal spirit” as a disinformation agent, starting at page 19 of this thread. If you come here to defend him from my attacks, you may want to first read starting from where I entered the discussion on page 19, and then read “masonfree party’s” ridiculous initial post that started this topic, to see why I was drawn to this thread in the first place.

At this point, I should point out that “masonfree party’s” entire theory hinges on his statement of a known untruth:


By the way, if indeed Aliens have been around for thousands of years,
how come that only since a few years cropcircles have been reported ?
Since a few years, however, we do have star wars satellites - made by
us - orbiting planet Earth. Once again, crop circles are NOT made by
Aliens or UFOs, but simply by a maser satellite, programmed by a bunch
of geeks. Keep it simple.

Crop circles are known to have been reported and studied since the 1600s. Some ancient Native American legends seem to describe crop circles, which would date the phenomenon even further back.

I’ll let Jeff Wilson handle this one, by reposting part of his post from 12/10/04 at the now-defunct “cropcirclenews.com.” Here it is:

Here are some references to help get you up to speed:
The Natural History of Stafford-Shire
By Robert Plot, LLD
Keeper of the Ashmolean Museum
And Professor of Chemistry in the University of Oxford
M.DC.LXXXVI [1686]

1686 - Robert Plot, a chemistry professor from Oxford University, in his words 'excavated' over 50 crop circle sites from southern England, and uncovered about 50 more historical reports from other observers and farmers (the earliest dating to 1590). He noted simple circles, circle rings, circle spirals, circles with SQUARES, and arrangements of flattened lines in both cereal crops and field grasses. Plot did the first soil sample testing where he compared soil from the center of circles to soil from the inside edges to soil from outside of the circles (as a control). Plot noted that soil from inside the circles was much more dehydrated, and found 'white, sulfurous residues'. Plot noted that crop yields increased by about 30% in the successive season in the areas where crop circles were found. He made several diagrams of examples of the crop circles he visited, and were included in this book. Plot suggested that perhaps 'hollow thunderbolts' were responsible for the crop circles - indicating he believed there may have been an electrical component involved in the physical mechanism for flattening the crop circles. Plot spent about 20 years collecting information about crop circles until his death in the 1690's.

1790-1793 Gentlemen's Magazine

The 'Time Magazine' of its day, "Gentleman's Magazine" reported on current events worldwide. Over a three-year period, "Gentlemen's Magazine" published several articles and readers' letters discussing the origin of 'fairy rings' [now called crop circles]. Diagrams of several crop circle formations were included. One of the letters references a Royal Society paper which discusses the mechanism for the creation of crop circles (also electrical in nature). The discussion is dominated by two camps: one which is clearly discussing crop circles as being flattened, swirled circles of wheat and grasses; and the second is a group which discusses modern-day 'fairy rings'as being caused by a fungus, or the fungus rings which we all know are now well-understood.

1847 - "The Magic Circle In The Prairie" by Henry Schoolcraft

Henry Schoolcraft [of which Schoolcraft College was later named for], produced a report for the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs on Indian Ethnography work he was doing in the U.S. Midwest. Included in his report was a section titled "The Magic Circle In The Prairie" which was a description of a flattened circle of prairie grass, and one Indian's experience surrounding his visiting this site. It is most likely a recounting of a (much) older Ojibway legend.

These other historical reports (especially Plot's, a respected scientist of his day), when added to J.Rand Capron's (another respected scientist of his day) descriptions in "Nature" magazine in 1880, would seem to establish that crop circles have been at least noted and observed with various levels of detail at least once every hundred years for the past few centuries.

You can find the original messageboard cache of Jeff's post by putting keywords into a Google search, and then hitting “cache” when you find a sample of the above text from cropcirclenews.com.

As for Wabuns posts and beliefs about spirits being the... beings responsible for making cropcircles, then it cant be fully denied, just like most crop circle theories. The only real difference I see between Wabuns belief and aliens making the crop circles, is that Wabun says that it is ancestor spirits that is doing it, not spirits of beings that did not come from Earth to begin with.

My view and belief in spirits and aliens is that the most enlighted and spiritually evolved aliens doesnt really differ much from highly evolved spirits. At least from what I have read, it is said that there are aliens so powerfull that they can make UFOs simply by willing it. With their imagination and creative power alone, they can make the technology we usually only see in science fiction. They just access a memory of a UFO and then manifests the memory, just like when people materialise items that are known to them. Of course it isnt really common for humans to materialise items or objects out of nowhere, but it does happen. Wether they come from somewhere or is imagined into being is another question about it, but I guess most people just choose not to believe it possible.

I havent done much decoding of crop circles, in fact I havent studied them much. I do believe they hold great secrets though that can help us discover and uncover some of the great secrets and mysteries.

I am not used to spirits that are more powerfull than living beings. I have only met ghosts in fact, so I guess they might not really count as a spirit at all. I have met beings that might qualify as spirits though, beings that seems to be guarding the dimension between ours and the spirits or something like that. Helping ghosts find their way, and maybe keeping beings that arent supposed to be here, away. As you might have noticed, I like to do some guessing :) It is based on my own experiences though, and the research I have done because of them.

Anyone who can share some of the decoded messages, images or whatever that has come from crop circles?
Thank you—finally, someone who’s ready to discuss my evidence on this thread! I think that this is a sign that we’ve “cleared the dark spirits” off this thread at this point, and a real discussion is about to happen.
Here’s a couple of “teaser” images from my website; for full explanation, I would prefer that people go to my website to read it in context, rather than repost the details here.

First is the image of the Masonic symbolism that I uncovered in Howell, Michigan, which I found by following my initial hunch to draw the exact placement of the crop formation onto a satellite map. Here it is:
http://www.scatterdome.com/images/other/online%20essay/12-4marked1992reducedgood1-20b.JPG

Next is the image of one of Peter Champoux’s ley line maps from 2004, which highlights a ley line system that he calls the “great Cross of North America.” The green NW-SE line crossing through North Carolina was highlighted in 2004 when 5 genuine crop formations appeared along the line, in a straight line spanning from Miamisburg, OH to Oakdale, WV. The green SW-NE line crossing through North Carolina was highlighted in 2005, when four genuine grass circles appeared along the line, in a straight line starting with Leicester, NC and pointing NE to the exact location of the previous year’s formation in Oakvale. The third green line on this map was drawn in by myself, when I noticed that several formations (four exactly and several more close by) lay in a straight line spanning from Chandler, AZ to New Lothrop, MI. This third line was not drawn into the map by Champoux, yet it fits in between the edges of the circular “biome” patterns in the same way Champoux’s first two lines do. My theory: the crop circles pointed out the third ley line in this system, before Peter Champoux had a chance to notice it! Here’s the map:
http://www.scatterdome.com/images/other/online%20essay/SMANweb%20with%203rd%20line.JPG

Are some of you starting to see where this phenomenon is headed, people? I hope you’re getting as excited as I am…
I read all through Wabuns website and one thing struck me....what if aliens ARE the spirit of our ancestors? Good site by the way. :)
Thank you!

Interesting thought there about the various possibilities of “ancestors=aliens”… anything’s possible!

Though my feeling is that both the “Serpent-aligned” and the “Thunderbird-aligned” spirits would most likely be Earthly in origin, due to their genetic compatibility and physical resemblance to Earth creatures, I still think it’s always important to keep one’s mind open to possibilities, especially when the subject matter extends so far back in time that proving either side would be impossible.

[romas]

I think deca needs to get into little finance numbers, to operate secret space program would take billions upon billions, to focus it on making weak ass roumor about aliens and then dismiss it through media is total waste of money that could end up in their pockets.
I think some people really forget on what basis corrupt politicians/military work, they work for profits mmkay. Not for shits n giggles.

[masonfree party]

Why would the military be interested in creating beautiful geometrical patterns in the crops?

What about the ones they payed farmers to destroy to prevent people from getting to the information encoded within?

Does anyone ever try to use their intuition when looking for these answers?

The mind is a matrix.....be guided by your inner voice. ;)


basically because the freemasonic heirachy are interested in geometric patterns and symbolism so what better way to use this new technology to fool the masses into thinking ET is trying to talk to us using sign language or whatever,symbols can also be used to get into peoples minds,thats why the friggin masons are obsessed with them.....remember wiltshire is surrounded by miltitary bases...

[masonfree party]

warning...crop Circles Are A Masonic Scam ...the Circle Makers Are Paid Ops...don't Be Fooled By This Bullshit Anymore

OH DEAR WE HAVE AN INFESTATION OF MASONIC SHILLS ON THIS THREAD...I WONDER WHY?

[eternal_spirit]

Hmm does it not take 15 seconds to make a crop circle with microwaves.
I would worry about what this hardware is doing 364 days 23 hrs 59mins 45 secs of the year.

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Exactly. They're to busy praying for ascension day and 2012 to follow sense and logic ( this is what the Elite want them to think to buy into the new age religions ) Take their minds off what's important and keep them in their imaginations and away from the Wizard of Oz ( Men who use technology to fool us )

And this newbie (wabun) who spouts in every post that me and masonfreeparty are paid disinfo agents who work for CIA/MI6 or something. When he's the intellectual and probably some upper class rich kid which is exactly the kind of people that intelligence agencies would choose to fund and spread disinfo.

His stuff reads like any other New Age bullshit IMO throw in a few old age myths and folklore nonsense and uses buzz words galore that's enough to ensnare an unsusspecting mind and continue the brainwashing as planned by the authors of such articles for many years to come( This stuff has been all done long ago, some of us are well researched and have been around long enough it's nothing new to some of us )
So, no point in debating you wabun, you keep calling the disinfo names. If your attitude as a newbie wasn't so vile then you may have had a debate.

[wabun]

Look what I've done, everybody: now they're panicking.
warning...crop Circles Are A Masonic Scam ...the Circle Makers Are Paid Ops...don't Be Fooled By This Bullshit Anymore

OH DEAR WE HAVE AN INFESTATION OF MASONIC SHILLS ON THIS THREAD...I WONDER WHY?
"masonfree party" and "eternal spirit," go away. You've been exposed.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w122/Scatterdome/lrap_0709_08_z_photo_eagle_eating_s.jpg
Readers, I’ll say it again: masonfree party and eternal spirit are paid disinformation agents. They are here because the New World Order has hired them for their skills in using words as weapons, creating the illusion of making the nonsensical sound reasonable. They are hired to swarm in on popular messageboards in teams, to fool the more naïve readers to think that there is a reasonable “popular consensus” against the poster with whom they appear to “disagree,” while lowering the tone of the discussion to prevent an actual discussion of facts and evidence among the more intelligent writers, on threads where genuine people are getting a little too close to the truth.

[eternal_spirit]

I used to believe the things you do wabun for years maybe I got tired of waiting for the World to change for the better. I'm still on the fence about the crop circle thing and all that goes with it, how if it does add up or doesn't, lately I've been thinking the latter and that it is a man made hoax, or even "some natural occurence something to do with the Earth, not yet understood or explained".

[eternal_spirit]

So wabun you claim that our spirit ancestors and nature deva spirits are going to give us the information to bring down the NWO and spread loving vibrations through the leylines/earth's energy grid system etc etc, and maybe you think that we can also infuse this system with love.

What if I said the music I create has the power to effect people's conscious vibration and will help the great shift in conciousness needed to rise with the quickening frequencies and changes the Solar system is going through.

I could claim I channeled my music from spirits with the intention to heal, and retune people's chakras/auras electromagnetic frequencies. Far out enough for you?

[lizzy]

warning...crop Circles Are A Masonic Scam ...the Circle Makers Are Paid Ops...don't Be Fooled By This Bullshit Anymore

OH DEAR WE HAVE AN INFESTATION OF MASONIC SHILLS ON THIS THREAD...I WONDER WHY?

yup, what better way to play with their toys whilst creating another skapegoat , other than humanity itself....IT'S ALL THE ALIENS FAULT......:D

[lizzy]

So wabun you claim that our spirit ancestors and nature deva spirits are going to give us the information to bring down the NWO and spread loving vibrations through the leylines/earth's energy grid system etc etc, and maybe you think that we can also infuse this system with love.

What if I said the music I create has the power to effect people's conscious vibration and will help the great shift in conciousness needed to rise with the quickening frequencies and changes the Solar system is going through.

I could claim I channeled my music from spirits with the intention to heal, and retune people's chakras/auras electromagnetic frequencies. Far out enough for you?

That sounds so cool , I might be tempted to believe that.:):D

[thirdwave]

wabun

these people can be like sinking sand.... the fact is there minds have limitations to what they can handle and what they can except as reality... so they dont want to hear about advanced state of minds... and how the human race could or should progress.... they want the ship to stop sinking... they dont want to jump ship.... so they are running around like headless chickens with buckets... looking more and more foolish.... shouting at people for not grabbing a bucket while they see a bigger ship in the horrison... and actually are not afraid to swim.

talk about divination arts and they scoff... or tell you its all evil.... talk of ETEs and they say you are crazy..new age fool..... talk of anything that there science education does not tolerate and they cant fathom it...

If they did not have such Huge ego's and these stale outdated views then then they would be easier to talk to and would in fact actually start to see more and open up to more.. but the Ego is the biggest killer ....

I dont know what the deal is with 2012... or ETEs.

they are not a creation of the government as there is to much evidence to show otherwise with not a speck of evidence or logic to suggest its the case...

I know that this planet is a complete and utter mess and has been for many many years... I know that the way we live is fake and un natural to our true nature...

I know that the world is changing at a rapid rate.... I know that people are changing ...their views.... their values...

I do feel these times are very relevant and the coming years are going to be interesting to say the least...

I also feel that the leaders of this world... (prison keepers) have very much got their mits on it and any ETEs up there by no means have an easy task if they did want to help in anyway... especially as most people cant even fathom them let alone place their trust in them over their own government...

look at this lot!... what do you think they would be like?

I let people like this wallow in their own ignorance... its what they want... its what makes them feel secure... so let them do it...

im letting em fade away in the rear view mirror...

[eternal_spirit]

And yet more proof thirdwave prime example of a New Age fundamentalist nutcase spouting nonsense and dellusions about anyone who's not of his faith. Although he is the man who's delusional and posted on many occasions that he's surrounded by fundamentalist Christians tring to preach to him. ( yet where are these posts? ) Oh, all in thirdwave's mind:rolleyes:

Don't worry folks it's not real.

[thirdwave]

I rest my case

:cool:

[romas]

And yet more proof thirdwave prime example of a New Age fundamentalist nutcase spouting nonsense and dellusions about anyone who's not of his faith. Although he is the man who's delusional and posted on many occasions that he's surrounded by fundamentalist Christians tring to preach to him. ( yet where are these posts? ) Oh, all in thirdwave's mind:rolleyes:

Don't worry folks it's not real.



Calm down man lol :p

How is thirdwave a fundamentalist lol

fundamentalism refers a "deep and totalistic commitment"
Strict adherence to a set of basic principles (fundamentals), away from doctrinal compromises with modern social and political life.

So who has been spreading his strict set of basic principles in this thread? Oh that's right Eternal_spirit and Deca ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Calm down man lol :p

How is thirdwave a fundamentalist lol



So who has been spreading his strict set of basic principles in this thread? Oh that's right Eternal_spirit and Deca ;)
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Ok lol

My point is look at how hostile those two became. And I've said twice alleady I'm on the fence about crop circles as to what they are exactly and how they are formed and for what purpose if any. I rarely get involved with this topic, becasue I've heard it all before. And like many enigmas there doesn't seem to be one proveable theory.

Just giving a different POV. Come the day when we can actually have a debate here and stay on topic without the personal attacks. Can't even post a link sometimes without others jumping on you....as if you'd written the article yourself and believed every last word... then it's you're this you're that no end of.

Rant over.:eek: :)

[romas]

Lets just agree to disagree :)

When we dive into conspiracy world, it's hard to accept verbal information from other people without suspecting them being involved in the conspiracy ;)

[wabun]

So wabun you claim that our spirit ancestors and nature deva spirits are going to give us the information to bring down the NWO and spread loving vibrations through the leylines/earth's energy grid system etc etc, and maybe you think that we can also infuse this system with love.
This is actually a pretty accurate portrayal of what I’m saying, except for one crucial detail:

I claim that our “spirit ancestors” and “nature deva spirits “ are already giving us the information to bring down the NWO and “spread loving vibrations through the leyline/earth’s energy grid system etc etc.”

On top of that, I also claim that much of this information has already been decoded, and that until Jeff Wilson gets the ICCRA website up-and-running (coming very soon!), the website of my crop circle essay ( www.scatterdome.com/howell.htm ) currently represents the cutting edge of crop circle decoding. It is on my website where the ley-line-grid, as well as the knowledge that the New World Order have always had the map, is being revealed though a wealth of hard evidence that has apparently not been pieced together publicly before. Apparently, I'm the first guy to apply David Icke's perspective on the New World Order to the subject of crop circles, and then go public with my findings in great detail. (A reminder that I take only a fraction of credit: I could never have gone as far as I did with my crop circle decoding without countless guidance and leads from my friends, especially Jeff Wilson.)

What I actually said, instead of the misrepresentation/reversal of my words by “eternal spirit” displayed above, is that the reptilians’ biggest fear, the “lifting of the veil,” or “apocalypse,” has already arrived. I’m saying that it’s already happening, and the NWO is doomed because the “information wheel” has achieved “perpetual speed-up” among the masses, to the point of no return.

And yes, I do think that we can also infuse this system with love. However, my view on this is that the most likely form that those “loving vibrations” are going to take is an increase in “Thunderbird Energy” injected into the grid, to balance out the out-of-control “Serpent Energy” that has built up over the centuries and is currently throwing the whole Earth off-balance to a dangerous point.
What if I said the music I create has the power to effect people's conscious vibration and will help the great shift in conciousness needed to rise with the quickening frequencies and changes the Solar system is going through.

I could claim I channeled my music from spirits with the intention to heal, and retune people's chakras/auras electromagnetic frequencies. Far out enough for you?
“eternal spirit’s” instrumental music is definitely creative and well-executed, in my opinion, but I would also describe its vibe as definitely “dark” and “serpentine.” I would think that if he was intending to send the type of energy through the grid that I think will heal the Earth - the "Thunderbird" kind that I’m suggesting will balance out the “Serpent Energy” - his music would evoke a feeling of soaring through the air in the daytime, rather than slithering through an underwater cave at night.

I do believe that the music he creates DOES have the power to affect people’s conscious vibration; it is psychedelic and creative music that I would enjoy hearing, when I'm in a “nighttime/underwater/serpentine” music mood. I have very eclectic tastes, and I like to experience a wide range of moods when I’m listening to music. As a rule, I usually enjoy hearing music that is compatible with the psychedelic/hallucinogenic experience, as "eternal spirit’s" music is.

However, I feel that “the great shift in consciousness needed to rise with the quickening frequencies and changes the Solar system is going through” is going to result from an injection of Thunderbird Energy into the Earth’s grid, which is currently being suffocated from too much out-of-control Serpent Energy, which has built up over the centuries due to the dominance of Serpent Energy in positions of government power for thousands of years. “eternal spirit’s” music is only sending more Serpent Energy into the grid, in my opinion.

Well, to each their own…

I feel that my music, on the other hand, evokes the feeling of flying in the daytime more than it evokes swimming underwater at nighttime. What do you think, people—is anyone up for turning this into a “music review” thread for a bit? This could be an interesting experiment, considering the “face-off” that “eternal spirit" and I just had.

Perhaps we could install a poll on this thread with two questions:

1)Pick one word from each pair of words below to describe the overall sum of the mood of the 6 songs “eternal spirit” has chosen to post on his MySpace page:
a)Night or Day?
b)Serpent or Thunderbird?
Here’s the link to “eternal spirit’s” MySpace music page:
http://www.myspace.com/futureguitar

2)Pick one word from each pair of words below to describe the overall sum of the mood of the 6 songs I have chosen to post on my band Scatterdome’s MySpace page:
a)Night or Day?
b)Serpent or Thunderbird?
Here’s the link to the MySpace page for my band, Scatterdome:
http://www.myspace.com/scatterdome

Be kind, people, and keep in mind that both of us have a few specific sound-quality limitations on the music we have chosen to post on our MySpace pages:

“eternal spirit’s” recordings have a slightly muffled sound that I’m guessing results from recording on a vintage analog 4-track tape recorder (which is a production sound that I happen to enjoy) but some listeners might not understand that these songs would have a much more crisp production if they were done in a professional studio.

My music has a couple of production disclaimers, as well: The Scatterdome recordings I have chosen to post on our MySpace page have some notable flaws in the mix of 4 out of 6 of the songs. For starters, I have chosen to post 1 song (“Ten Arms”) from an old Scatterdome lineup that had a decent mix- for a “rush job” in the studio that aimed for a “quickie demo,” anyway. I included that one because I like its “historic” significance for the band (recorded with a transitional 2003 lineup), and I somewhat like the “rush job demo” ambience of the production, for a variation on our usual polish. All four of the songs representing our upcoming album Eastern Thunderbirds will be improved with the help of a professional engineer before we release them to the public, but for now they feature my ProTools production, with the four mixes being in various stages of completion. Of those 4 songs, “No Fear” is the roughest mix; it has a volume spike in the vocals at the beginning of each verse, and the overall sonic quality of the song is drier than the reverby production I have in mind, which I have not yet added to it. “Flying Machines” and “Crop Circle Wheat,” also from Eastern Thunderbirds, aren’t too bad mixwise, but they’re still far from the final mix I have in mind. Also, “No Fear” and “Crop Circle Wheat” currently feature my voice singing both harmonies, whereas in the final mix they will have my bandmate Jon “Chuch” Chuchvara’s voice replacing the upper harmony, resulting in the warmer vocal sound of our voices combined. That warmer vocal blend of the two of us harmonizing is so far only featured in “Flying Machines” and “Reptile Girl,” the two songs that were mainly written by Chuch. (The other 4 songs on the page were mainly written by myself.) The only two songs that I would call a “final mix” are “Reptile Girl” (a song which is also going to be included on Eastern Thunderbirds) And “Phoenix,” which is the only song on the page representing our first album, Grummet, which was recorded between 1999 and 2000, and released in 2002.

Also, keep in mind that both “eternal spirit’s” music and my music were digitally reduced and compressed to fit with MySpace’s file-size limitations (7 MB max), which slightly reduces the mix quality as well.

So what do you say, moderators—could we set up that poll on this thread?

[lizzy]

Just my thought but having listened to both , I don't see them as very comparable. One is more 'mainstream' vocals band and the other is a solo acoustical guitar, more esoteric for sure. Not exactly comparing apples to apples, in my view. And also your choice of adjectives in limited.
If you guys do start a poll, I am sure the icksters will appreciate you both.:)

[wabun]

Just my thought but having listened to both , I don't see them as very comparable. One is more 'mainstream' vocals band and the other is a solo acoustical guitar, more esoteric for sure. Not exactly comparing apples to apples, in my view.
I'm not looking for props, or any kind of review saying which one is "better," or anything... I think both "eternal spirit's" music and my music are both well-done and equally creative.

The music a musician chooses to create is a reflection of the true nature of his soul. Also revealing is the choice of songs a musician chooses to release to the public as an appropriate representation of his music.

In light of the "Thunderbird vs. Serpent" analogy I've been discussing since I entered this thread on page 19, and the "word battle" I have had with "eternal spirit" since then, I think the poll results could reveal something, if enough people are answering it honestly. I'm not sure what it would reveal, but I'd like to find out.

And also your choice of adjectives in limited.
It is very limited, but I limited it to those four for the purpose of a specific test, and to see if the test results reveal anything that could be discussed.If you guys do start a poll, I am sure the icksters will appreciate you both.:)
Thanks!

[drael]

If we are raising vibrations, whats the chance of getting the level in humanity high enough?

Arent we a lost cause?

PS i suggest a duel at sundown armed only only with toothpicks

[lizzy]

Dawkins is an educated twit!!!

Well worth watching

Michael Persinger - Psychotropic drugs and nature of reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4292093832329014323&q=persinger+drugs&ei=caA2SPWADo-GjgKc69HkAw


what about Dr. Nick Begich
http://www.earthpulse.com/

Are you a manchurian candidate
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1798412375197890541&q=Dr.+Nick+Begich+&ei=DKM2SKPmFYa4igL3o-TwAw

Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 1 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 2 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXfWbEiTLII&feature=related
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 3 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkeP0CappU&feature=related
Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets ( part 4 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lExTqblIH_8&feature=related


Thankyou deca, :)

I just showed this to my daughter, we have been discuusing HAARP in china , Burma, Japan ect. :cool:

[cruise4]

Came across the scan I made from Watkins - The Old Straight Track in case anyone is interested. I live on this map. Seems somewhat synchronistic to me. Offa's dyke, a man-made(?) earth embankement runs along one of the main lines. Watkins could supposedly 'see' the lines. Anyway here's a download link to a bmp file.

2.7Mb
http://rapidshare.com/files/118957637/Leylines.bmp.html

Not that interesting but I said I'd post it.

[deca]

Thankyou deca,

I just showed this to my daughter, we have been discuusing HAARP in china , Burma, Japan ect.


Thank you, The more people know about this the better.It is one of the grestest dangers to humanity.The more people learn about this type of technology the more chances we have stopping the abuse and forcing it for the benifit of humanity instead of being used to befit a select few.

[alienspirit]

I started reading wabun other thread about crop circle codes etc...

It linked me here...

I read the first page, then the 19th, then 20th...

then I couldn't be bothered with the rest, it just got very boring...

Personally and this is from my own experiences I DO believe in UFO's & ET's, elementals, spirits of nature or whatever title you want to give them.

I have experienced some things i'd be happy to go into...BUT

the reason I'm replying is this....

Just because some of you have 1000's of posts under your belt doesnt make you right and others wrong.
I have a theory, if you don't like it are you going to tell me how wrong i am too simply because I only have a few posts.
if your such experts go do something with your knowledge other than sitting in this forum disrespecting other peoples beliefs.

we have masonfree banging on about masers as if what hes saying is FACT, then wabun jumping on him with a different opinion, again making out its fact, followed by eternalspirit calling him a liar, then saying she/he hasnt said anything personal....

Call me a liar, I think I'd take it personally...

it's always the trolls that have 1000's of posts that think they own a public forum, ignorant and arrogant a nice combination.

[beldazar]

Hi alienspirit, you have a good point, who, or what, do you think made the circles? :)