Government Strengthens Cannabis Laws

[kweli]

Well, we all knew it was coming, and some will probably welcome this u-turn, but not me! Once again, everything's going according to plan. From today, Cannabis is now a class B drug.. again.

The Government has confirmed it will strengthen the laws against cannabis by reclassifying the drug from class C to class B.

They have taken the decision despite advice from the Government's official advisory body which recommends it remain class C.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith told the House of Commons there were particular concerns about stronger strains of the drug.

She said the Government wanted to make it clear to young people that use of cannabis is unacceptable.

The drug was originally downgraded in 2004 under Tony Blair's government.

In a statement to the House Jacqui Smith told MPs: "I have decided to reclassify cannabis to a Class B drug, subject to Parliamentary approval.

"There is a compelling case for us to act now rather than risk the future health of young people.


Where there is a clear and serious problem, but doubt about the harm that will be caused, we must err on the side of caution and protect the public.

"I make no apology for that - I am not prepared to 'wait and see'", she added.

Although the Conservative opposition welcomes the reclassification of cannabis, Shadow home secretary David Davis has criticised the Government's 'dithering' on the issue.

"The government's lax approach to drugs is the hallmark of our broken society under Labour" said Mr Davis.

"This long-awaited u-turn has followed delay, dithering and indecision when the country cries out for leadership".

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1315223,00.html

[pillowtalk]

So, what will the long term effects be of toking on a bud of white widow that can reach as much as 12% / 14% THC ??.

Do you know ??, no, that’s right no one does.
Imported Thai in the 80’s / 90’s used to rate at around 3% / 5 % Max THC.

High grade domestic skunk has not been around for long enough for anyone to be able to determine the possible long term brain damage.

I have smoked a lot of dope, TRUST ME !!, but i also like to play Devils advocate.

Think about the issue objectively !!.

PT

[kweli]

So, what will the long term effects be of toking on a bud of white widow that can reach as much as 12% / 14% THC ??.

Do you know ??, no, that’s right no one does.
Imported Thai in the 80’s / 90’s used to rate at around 3% / 5 % Max THC.

High grade domestic skunk has not been around for long enough for anyone to be able to determine the possible long term brain damage.

I have smoked a lot of dope, TRUST ME !!, but i also like to play Devils advocate.

Think about the issue objectively !!.

PT



Hmm, you're right, I can't answer your questions, but I do see where you're coming from. However, I speak from personal experience as a loooooooooooong time user. I've also done huge amounts of research and I used to be a 'Drugs Counsellor' And, do you know what? I never met one person f*cked up on cannabis alone.

[mondo23]

Are Cannabis laws stronger now than they used to be in say, the 70's? I'd say they were stronger then than they are now. You see the paradox here? The bud gets stronger, the laws get weaker, then all of a sudden, slighty stronger again. Will the law make a blind bit of differance? Of coarse not. I'm an ex heavy user and wont go near it anymore but if people want to chose to smoke it. Absolutely fine by me. I feel far less threatened by a bunch of stoners on the street than I do a bunch of drunk people. Thats a fact.

[pillowtalk]

I've also done huge amounts of research and I used to be a 'Drugs Counsellor' And, do you know what? I never met one person f*cked up on cannabis alone.

here is very little research available on the long term effects of high grade domestic Skunk use !!.

Plus he last statement is a misnomer.
We are not talking about the brake down of relationships / comiting petty crime to fuel a Crack / Smack habit & getting what you refer to as ‘fucked up’.
We are talking long term use of high grade domestic Skunk.

PT.

[majicdragon]

So, what will the long term effects be of toking on a bud of white widow that can reach as much as 12% / 14% THC ??.

Do you know ??, no, that’s right no one does.
Imported Thai in the 80’s / 90’s used to rate at around 3% / 5 % Max THC.

High grade domestic skunk has not been around for long enough for anyone to be able to determine the possible long term brain damage.

I have smoked a lot of dope, TRUST ME !!, but i also like to play Devils advocate.

Think about the issue objectively !!.

PT



Look at this vid and you can see... that the hardest core of the hard core dope smokers in the world can still hold a press conference. And these guys have been smoking for years and years... and the girl smokes 10g per day to her own head.

lol editing to add the vid:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hahaha editing again to add the actual vid I'm talking about:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[pillowtalk]

Look at this vid and you can see... that the hardest core of the hard core dope smokers in the world can still hold a press conference. And these guys have been smoking for years and years... and the girl smokes 10g per day to her own head.

lol editing to add the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDkhyg_k1I

hahaha editing again to add the actual vid I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBlwSWRb8oI

Two words ~ HOWARD MARKS !!.

PT.

[pillowtalk]

Smoking 2.5 oz a week is just fucking stupid !!.
I used to cultivate (started back in 93 when Skunk was like Gold dust) and did it for just over 10 years.
Let’s just say i have met a lot of dope smokers.

We are not talking about doing a press conference, i would like to see that girl in lab conditions doing mental agility / short term memory tests against a control group of the same age who have never smoked Weed !!.

PT

[majicdragon]

Why not Just watch Marc Emery do a political talk? You can tell he's all there.

And like I said earlier on another cannabis thread, I can tell you're not stupid, so how long did you smoke weed?

Did it make you feel as if you were adversely affected?

I'm inclined to think perhaps the rock has affected you to a much greater extent... But that's me trying to read-in to who you really are via the pictures that come to my mind. It's something I do. I see pictures.

I also see a gun.

Not saying I'm ever acurate, just (pink cloth) see pictures that's all.

[pillowtalk]

Why not Just watch Marc Emery do a political talk? You can tell he's all there.



We are not talking speaking dates !!.


We are not talking about doing a press conference, i would like to see that girl in lab conditions doing mental agility / short term memory tests against a control group of the same age who have never smoked Weed !!.




And like I said earlier on another cannabis thread, I can tell you're not stupid, so how long did you smoke weed?

Did it make you feel as if you were adversely affected?

I'm inclined to think perhaps the rock has affected you to a much greater extent... But that's me trying to read-in to who you really are via the pictures that come to my mind. It's something I do. I see pictures.

I also see a gun.

Not saying I'm ever acurate, just (pink cloth) see pictures that's all.

1. I still do, but i will give you a clue, i went six months from my last half oz to the 1 oz in my freezer for summer round the pool.

2. YES without doubt.

3. What rock, who said i ever smoked crack !!.

4. If you have looked at pic’s i have posted on this site, then the entire album.
Yes you will see that i have a thing for fire arms, i am a member of the Gun club in Algoz (Portugal).

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=pillowtalk2007&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&Submit=Go

PT.

[majicdragon]

Good call, and the steroids that you grow the stuff with using hydroponic plant food is also untested. Chemicals, whichever way you look at it are not natural.

Don't they grow food for consumption using hydroponic methods and formula?

I know they do here in BC. The hydroponic tomatoes are the best tasting. mmm yum.

[majicdragon]

We are not talking speaking dates !!.


We are not talking about doing a press conference, i would like to see that girl in lab conditions doing mental agility / short term memory tests against a control group of the same age who have never smoked Weed !!.





1. I still do, but i will give you a clue, i went six months from my last half oz to the 1 oz in my freezer for summer round the pool.

2. YES without doubt.

3. What rock, who said i ever smoked crack !!.

4. If you have looked at pic’s i have posted on this site, then the entire album.
Yes you will see that i have a thing for fire arms, i am a member of the Gun club in Algoz (Portugal).

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=pillowtalk2007&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&Submit=Go

PT.



I didn't say crack. (was actually thinking meth) And I never looked at any of your pictures. I saw a pistol. I saw it in my mind. (and the pink cloth)

I just like to fuck around. That's why I post here. It's this or twiddle my thumbs. I prefer this. No matter how bad it gets here, it's still my favorite place.

Welcome to the forum by the way. You may have been here for a while, but I never noticed you before.

[pillowtalk]

Good call, and the steroids that you grow the stuff with using hydroponic plant food is also untested. Chemicals, whichever way you look at it are not natural.

What our friend 'Puffthemajicdragon' has failed to realise is that organo-phosphates in food are one thing but when you burn them (decarboxylation) they become altogether different chemicals, with altogether different effects.

PT.

[pillowtalk]

. I saw a pistol. I saw it in my mind. (and the pink cloth)



Which pistol the Colt .38 or the Browning MKIII .9mm ??.


I just like to fuck around. That's why I post here. It's this or twiddle my thumbs. I prefer this. No matter how bad it gets here, it's still my favorite place.


Well, we are on the same page there.


Welcome to the forum by the way. You may have been here for a while, but I never noticed you before.

Thank you !!, looks like you have now ;)

(and the pink cloth)


What is with the Pink cloth ??.
Are you Male or Female BTW ??.

PT

[majicdragon]

What our friend 'Puffthemajicdragon' has failed to realise is that organo-phosphates in food are one thing but when you burn them (decarboxylation) they become altogether different chemicals, with altogether different effects.

PT.


Are there no organo-phosphates in soil?

And now am I supposed to ask if it's hydro or soil?


I can see it now.

"how much"
"hundred bucks"
"k... is it soil or hydro?"
"its hydro"
"Oh, just forget it... give me a call when there's some organic"
"Huh? Why, if you don't mind me asking."
"Oh, just, I can't take the organo-phosphates"
"You stupid Dragon, there's organo-phosphates in soil as well"
"Really, but this guy told me..."
"Puff, you gotta stop surfing the David Icke Website... dood!"
" hundred bucks?..."

[pillowtalk]

Are there no organo-phosphates in soil?

And now am I supposed to ask if it's hydro or soil?


I can see it now.

"how much"
"hundred bucks"
"k... is it soil or hydro?"
"its hydro"
"Oh, just forget it... give me a call when there's some organic"
"Huh? Why, if you don't mind me asking."
"Oh, just, I can't take the organo-phosphates"
"You stupid Dragon, there's organo-phosphates in soil as well"
"Really, but this guy told me..."
"Puff, you gotta stop surfing the David Icke Website... dood!"
" hundred bucks?..."

OK, mr Green fingers.

Why does a Female plant show up nutrient deficiencies in potting soil at around 2 weeks into flowering ??.

Answer = because the levels of NPK are very low in soil.

Why do Hydro systems produce heavier buds in less time ??.

Answer = because they are force fed in high level NPK fertilisers.

I got Mercury in my body also dood, just not in levels high enough to be TOXIC.
Don’t try and be a smart ass with me, unless you know your subject.
I will make you look a cunt.............

PT.

[majicdragon]

[QUOTE=pillowtalk;353235][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]

Which pistol the Colt .38 or the Browning MKIII .9mm ??.

I really don't know guns, but looking on google at these selections, I have to say Colt. And I saw a round barrel. (saw both square and round on google)

Well, we are on the same page there.

And literally.

Thank you !!, looks like you have now ;)

Nice to meet you.

What is with the Pink cloth ??.
Are you Male or Female BTW ??.

I saw the pink cloth in a flash of picture in my head. How should I know.
I'm a male... pic in profile.

[majicdragon]

OK, mr Green fingers.

Why does a Female plant show up nutrient deficiencies in potting soil at around 2 weeks into flowering ??.

Answer = because the levels of NPK are very low in soil.

Why do Hydro systems produce heavier buds in less time ??.

Answer = because they are force fed in high level NPK fertilisers.

I got Mercury in my body also dood, just not in levels high enough to be TOXIC.
Don’t try and be a smart ass with me, unless you know your subject.
I will make you look a cunt.............

PT.


Well, with language like that and ladies present, I would think it difficult to make ME look like a cunt.:D

No, tell me, are you saying you can get mercury from potsmoke?

[majicdragon]

You got any good links buddy?

[kweli]

here is very little research available on the long term effects of high grade domestic Skunk use !!.

Plus he last statement is a misnomer.
We are not talking about the brake down of relationships / comiting petty crime to fuel a Crack / Smack habit & getting what you refer to as ‘fucked up’.
We are talking long term use of high grade domestic Skunk.

PT.

I agree there's little research, so why all the fuss, the propaganda? why reclassify? why seek advice from the Government's official advisory body which recommends it remain class C, then just go against that advice?

Sorry, I can't find a link to it now, but I heard a spokesperson for the Government's OAB say on a report earlier, that you would have to stop 20,000 women smoking it, to prevent just one from developing Schizophrenia.

And, apologies, I didn't word my post very well, I wasn't referring to relationship break ups, criminal activity etc.. by fucked up, I meant - mentally.

[drhemp]

This stuff about super strength skunk is a load of hype from the Government and the Media; there's as much truth in the Home Secretary's claim of yesterday that skunk cannabis is three times stronger than it was twelve years ago, as there is truth in Tony BLiar's claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. This is all reefer madness all over again.

Skunk is merely a generic term for a type of cannabis that has been around for years. Yes there are some strong strains of cannabis, most of which are not even technically skunk, i.e., Jack Herer, G13, MK Ultra, Northern Lights, White Widow, etc., to name but a few, but these terms are not so media friendly for scare mongering stories. It does not cause schizophrenia, which would explain why levels of schizophenia are no higher in Jamaica than they are in the UK and the levels in the UK have remained pretty much the same, even though cannabis usage has increased.

There are however, dangerous forms of cannabis available on the black market, such as soap bar that contains all sorts of nasty chemicals such as henna, plastic, or more recently, gritweed cannabis has appeared which has been laced with silicon by unscrupulous criminal gangs (who control the supply) to make it heavier and look like it has more THC. These problems could all be solved if we adopted a Dutch system, where usage is also much lower amongst under-18s, because you can only buy cannabis from licensed coffeeshops that have very strict policies for selling to minors. None of these genuinely dangerous forms of cannabis are found in Spain or Holland, but of course, we all know that this government doesn't really care about peoples' health, nor does it care about drug addiction, or they wouldn't allow our GPs to poison large segments of the population with unnecessary and toxic anti-depressants. No, the only people who will benefit from the Governments' announcement yesterday on cannabis are organised criminal gangs and moralising killjoys.

[truthseeker1980]

Something that caught my attention though is WHY? When only a few years ago they downgraded it.

I have noticed quite a lot of people on here use it regulary, including myself.

Could this be another step closer to martial law, sneaking in small meaningless laws slowly at first so we dont notice and then if the shit hits the fan, most of us will be branded criminals on here for seeking the truth of official stories, speaking out against the governement and for smoking green, thus two or three charges could be brought against.

Just a thought.

[kweli]

Something that caught my attention though is WHY? When only a few years ago they downgraded it.

I have noticed quite a lot of people on here use it regulary, including myself.

Could this be another step closer to martial law, sneaking in small meaningless laws slowly at first so we dont notice and then if the shit hits the fan, most of us will be branded criminals on here for seeking the truth of official stories, speaking out against the governement and for smoking green, thus two or three charges could be brought against.

Just a thought.

Not really sure what the agenda is yet, but it's certainly going to bring a lot more cash in. The reclassification will mean much heftier penalties.

And it's a complete joke that they claim it's a deterrent to protect us against future health problems; since when have they given a fuck about our health?!

[drhemp]

And it's a complete joke that they claim it's a deterrent to protect us against future health problems; since when have they given a fuck about our health?!

erm .... NEVER, in fact their polices in most other walks of life are detrimental to our health; ok they introduce a smoking ban, but they know full well that it will have little effect on the number of smokers, as tobacco is so highly addictive, and it's a good opportunity for them to be fascist-like, restricting people's freedoms.

I don't personally smoke tobacco, as I believe it to be an evil corporate controlled drug, however, one of my nicotine addicted friends has recently switched to an additive free rolling tobacco, which he reckons once you get used to it is fine, as opposed to corporate tobacco which is laced with thousands of harmful chemicals. I'm not saying this stuff will not be bad for you, but I suspect it's a darn sight less harmful than the stuff with all the nasty chemicals added to it. Funnily enough, our government that cares so much about our health is silent on this issue.

And what about junk food? Surely the fastest way to an early grave is to eat shit food, yet again our Government does nothing to curtail the junk food that is deliberately marketed at children. They are even allowing, via the Codex Alimentarius commision's rules being implemented by the fascist EU, supermarkets to lower the labeling requirements on organic and GM food, and are making vitamin / dietary supplements contain such low levels in active ingredients, they are rendering them virtually useless. This means that even people who are paying the exorbitant supermarket prices for what they believe to be a healthy organic diet, will still not be getting the necessary nutrients for a healthy life.

Then of course there's prescription drugs which are dished out for depression like smarties, by complicit GPs (who are the 3rd biggest killer in the UK after heart desease and cancer - caused by unhealthy diets and nicotine addiction). It's unbelievable that a Government can have the audacity to lecture grown adults about making a conscious decision to put cannabis into their body, while they allow doctors to prescribe kiddy coke (aka Ritolin) to hyper-active children, whose condition is caused 100% by junk food and CAN BE CURED 100% BY DIET. How dare they!

I know a great way to cure depression, get rid of this fucking Government (and no please don't replace them with the Tories) - again depression can be helped or even cured with dietary advice. Excellent herbal remodies include Kava Kava and St John's Wort, the former already banned and the latter set to go under the Codex guidelines. In fact, if Codex gets it's way, it will even be illegal for practitioners to advise someone about a healthy diet to help with depression or to give food advice to parents with children who have ADD or hyper-activity.

What is proven to be linked with depression is aspartame, which is in thousands of food and drink products that our supermarkets or local newsagents are full of, again often in products specifically aimed at children, yet our "caring health conscious government" remains silent on this, as it wouldn't want to dent the already obscene profits of the likes of Donald Rumsfeld and his cronies.

Much of this David Icke spoke of at his recent talk in Totnes, I do hope David can take this talk on the road, or at least get as many DVDs out, to get this message out there, as he really did hit it spot on!

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/camer-SS.jpg

[lumukanda]

i think it's fucking ridiculous BUT it does amuse me when i meet hippies in my town who won't touch GM food or anything like that, but happily smoke steroid fed, GM weed without a second thought.

[drhemp]

Dutch weed is not GM - this is a myth, I don't know where it came from, but no Dutch cannabis seeds on the market have been genetically modified. As for steroid-fed, I don't know about this, but if you grow it yourself from seeds from any well known Dutch seed company, then you can be sure for yourself, what has been added to it (or not). The government have also said they want to ban cannabis seeds, though if they actually knew what they were talking about, they would know that no commercial grower of cannabis grows from seed. The hemp seed (which contains no THC) is also very healthy, but I don't suppose they care if health food shops will not be allowed to sell these any more.

[lumukanda]

thanks for that info drhemp, i always thought they were GM.
how do they get it so strong? selective 'breeding'?
i just grow my own from seeds i've picked up along the way, outside in the sunshine.

[whiterain]

its a fucking joke. this jacqui smith is the very definition of a useful idiot. bloody channel 5 story yesterday rationalising the decision by effectively saying that smoking leads to mental problems which lead to violence. when have u ever met a violent pothead? even the ones with problems would probably have been a lot more violent had they not been self medicating to level themselves out. then youve got the fact that everyones 'allowed' to get as pissed as they want and batter the crap out of each other. but thats allowed as theres no chance alcohol will help you to see this backwards world for what it really is. thats why weeds a threat. i know the authorities import it but thats only cos they know people will always smoke, and they want their cut, but it is a threat to their system as it does free the mind of the cultural dogma that drags people into being 'normal' and not making a fuss.

no one seems to mention that if youve got much stronger weed, you only smoke a tiny amount of it. thus its actually better for your health all round in my view.

absolute scum, my head is for me to do with it as i see fit, and is certainly not the property of the government for them to protect me from myself. only strengthens my resolve to start growing again and get the weed renaturalised to my area at least

[lumukanda]

where i'm from we're so used to it being illegal i don't even give it a second thought.
about 10 years ago in my town the cops used to actively hunt down dope smokers, they'd arrive at your house at 5am with a search warrant (luckily i have a name that confuses the shit out people, so the warrant was always in 'someone elses' name and by the time they came back, the house would be clean), they'd follow you around at night, they compiled lists, they caught underage smokers then force them into dodgy areas with some money so they could bust dealers, with no regard for the child's safety, they'd search you in public (in contravention of law) and if you protested, they'd lock you up for 'obstructing a police officers duties'. it was fucking hilarious, especially when the local chief narc was busted in possession of cocaine (today he writes christian self help books).
it's quieter these days, but still as illegal, more so than when i was in britain.

[real6]

HOW THE FUCK IS POT ILLEGAL WHEN ITS A PLANT GROWN FROM MOTHER EARTH???


There's no hope in dope!!!

[drhemp]

Truth is, the strong stuff has been around for ages, and yes it's been done by selective breeding; also growing with hydroponics, using a CO2 generator, and various nutrients, can all increase the THC levels. The strongest strains tend to be the long flowering ones, so you won't see so many of those on the market, coz they take longer to grow, and therefore less profitable to the organised criminal gangs that grow them who want as fast a turnover of profit as possible.

As a matter of fact, much of the cannabis sold in the UK, is not this super strength cannabis that our Government talks of, as to grow cannabis with high levels of THC, requires more time and more money. As the majority of cannabis found in the UK is grown by organised criminals who don't care much about quality, most of the cannabis will not be of the strength that the government talks of, and even if you are lucky enough to find some exceptionally strong weed, it will certainly not be 3 times stronger than regular weed and you would tend to use less of it, so if you're smoking it then that will actually be healthier for you.

I'm afraid this story about super strength cannabis is a government created myth perpetuated by the compliant media and in any case, even if it were true, people will still smoke it regardless of what class of drug it is made by a government of liars and war criminals. This story first came around in the 1920s in the USA with the Reefer Madness campaign that sought to demonise marijuana. I think what happened is the Government lost the argument on cannabis a few years ago, which is why they downgraded to a class C drug in the first place, however, they were since instructed by the New World Order to reverse the law, so in order to justify this they have resurrected the Reefer Madness campaign, with all this rubbish about super strength skunk and mental illness, which even their own advisory council, not exactly known for its liberalness, has rejected. Most of the cannabis smoked today will be no stronger than the cannabis that was smoked by Jacquie Smith at Uni or David Cameroon at Eton, after all the main reason people have always smoked (or eaten) cannabis, is because they find pleasant the effects of THC, though granted it does also have many medicinal properties.

A lie does not become the truth merely because it is repeated over and over again by the Government and the Daily Mail.

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/oooh.jpg

[lumukanda]

personally, i smoke pretty run of the mill swazi that i either grow or buy from local rastas, we get skunk and the like here, but at the moment a gram of blueberry skunk costs R80 (about 8 pounds) and the stuff i buy, which does the trick, costs about R10 (about 1 pound) for 5 grams.

[tron]

This is biggest pile of bull, the bullest of the bull! For anyone who questions the strength of strains these days...DON'T! Weed has gone downhill for the past 3 years, all this super skunk they talk off is not known to me, never see any of it, just damp shitty leafy weed. You get to odd bit of import or homegrown if you know a mate but thats about it.

Hell, maybe there are people out there who get amazing weed, but not the majority. I'm so fucking angry about this, and people needing babysitters to look afer them and tell them whats good or bad....best way to find out? Try it!!!

xx

[tron]

So, what will the long term effects be of toking on a bud of white widow that can reach as much as 12% / 14% THC ??.

Do you know ??, no, that’s right no one does.
Imported Thai in the 80’s / 90’s used to rate at around 3% / 5 % Max THC.

High grade domestic skunk has not been around for long enough for anyone to be able to determine the possible long term brain damage.

I have smoked a lot of dope, TRUST ME !!, but i also like to play Devils advocate.

Think about the issue objectively !!.

PT



I've done researcher for the past 8 years, using the exact same quality as street weed in britain. Infact me and alot of my friend from school decided to start this research and still continuing it to this day! :)

[drhemp]

This is biggest pile of bull, the bullest of the bull! For anyone who questions the strength of strains these days...DON'T! Weed has gone downhill for the past 3 years, all this super skunk they talk off is not known to me, never see any of it, just damp shitty leafy weed. You get to odd bit of import or homegrown if you know a mate but thats about it.

Hell, maybe there are people out there who get amazing weed, but not the majority. I'm so fucking angry about this, and people needing babysitters to look afer them and tell them whats good or bad....best way to find out? Try it!!!

xx

You are completely right. The term skunk is something the Government and media have picked up on in their crusade to demonise marijuana. The millions of cannabis users in the UK, as you quite rightly state, know that this is bullshit, as they are buying the stuff. The only people who seem to think it is much stronger now are politicians who used to smoke it when they were at university. As soon as someone starts talking about skunk cannabis, then you know straight away that they do not know what they are talking about.

However, just as the masses are led to believe that steel frame buildings collapse like cards from fire damage and that taking vitamin supplements can kill you, they are willing to accept that all of a sudden cannabis has become much stronger and more dangerous. Of course your accurate observations will never reach the mainstream media, as it doesn't fit in with their Reefer Madness campaign; perhaps they're planning to deny the vote to people with drugs convictions, as they do in many states of the USA? Who knows, I wouldn't put it past them, and I certainly believe one of the reasons they seek to criminalise recreational drug users in the USA, is to make sure there are plenty of people to fill the privatised prisons with. Aren't they privatising prisons over here too? Or is the weed making me paranoid?

Has anyone on here read Gary Webb's book Dark Alliance, on how the CIA ran the cocaine trade and were totally responsible for the epidemic of crack cocaine in the 80s in USA and Europe. Oddly enough Gary Webb shot himself (twice in the head ????) shorty after publishing his book, however, it remains a thoroughly well research piece of research in Government involvement with the criminal drugs trade.

Did you know that before the invasion of Afghanistan, heroin was only produced in 3 provinces of Afghanistan, and now it is produced in all 34 provinces? Do you smell a rat yet? By the way, if you are looking for nice weed, a friend of mine told me there is loads of cheap Afghani weed going around London that is bought in by the British military. If you read any of those crime books in Waterstones or Smiths about organised criminals and mafia gangs, they all say they keep one step ahead of the law, because they had corrupt police and customs officers on their payroll.

The government has also closed down many of the customs offices in the UK, so I don't think they are really making that much of an effort to stop the tons of illegal drugs that are flooding the UK. Certainly, the CIA wouldn't be too happy if they really did eradicate the cocaine trade in Britain, as they are making so much money from it; how do you think they funded 9/11?

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/sturm.jpg

[and justice for all]

Personally, I have no problem with people that chooses to use the stuff, it's their free will and they can exercise it whichever way they choose.

But I do have a problem with the gangs that sell the drugs. It's big business and at the top of its hierarchical pyramid you'll find big names including police constables. That I do have a problem with.

The law penalizing the user it's nothing more but yet another piece of evidence that laws are written to protect the real culprits of any given crime and hide away the roots of the problem simultaneously.

Does this mean that fully legalizing it will solve the matter? Of course not! It will only give the go ahead to the slimy crooks that are already in this "business" to make it big. To market it, advertise it, package it in a funky format and off they'll go. And the government will be happy because they'll get their piece of the action via taxation just like they do with alcohol.

Perhaps the real solution here would be to find a way to allow people to grow it. You wanna be a stonehead? Fair enough, you'll must learn a bit about botanics first. Legalize the distribution and commercialization of seeds. Abolish the laws against its use. And make it illegal to sell the "final product". Do come hard on that.

But are they ever gonna come up with a strategy like that? Of course nooooooot. It's too lineal, too logical, too liberal, too fair.

Let's not forget that this is a country where stevia it's illegal and considered a dangerous toxic product.

***

Stevia and Stevioside
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia

Extracts:

As a result of the outcome of safety assessments which have been carried out Stevia and stevioside are not permitted for sale as food or food ingredients in the UK or elsewhere within the EU.

Extracts from Stevia rebaudiana leaves were also considered as toxicologically not acceptable.

The Committee concluded that stevioside was not acceptable as a sweetener.

In December 1999 the Joint MAFF/DH Food Safety and Standards Group wrote to various companies known to be trading in Stevia products, informing them of the SCF's opinion and stating that Stevia should not be offered for sale as a food or food ingredient in the UK.

Food Standards Agency
Chemical Safety and Toxicology Division

:rolleyes:

[pillowtalk]

This stuff about super strength skunk is a load of hype from the Government and the Media; there's as much truth in the Home Secretary's claim of yesterday that skunk cannabis is three times stronger than it was twelve years ago, as there is truth in Tony BLiar's claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. This is all reefer madness all over again.


WRONG !!, LOLZ.
The figures i quoted in my post were from a study done by ‘High Times’ on the ‘THC’ content of various strains.

Skunk is merely a generic term for a type of cannabis that has been around for years. Yes there are some strong strains of cannabis, most of which are not even technically skunk, i.e., Jack Herer, G13, MK Ultra, Northern Lights, White Widow, etc., to name but a few, but these terms are not so media friendly for scare mongering stories. It does not cause schizophrenia, which would explain why levels of schizophenia are no higher in Jamaica than they are in the UK and the levels in the UK have remained pretty much the same, even though cannabis usage has increased.


We are not talking about Skunk / Norther lights / white widow ect, we are talking ‘THC’ content !!, keep up.
The starains of Cannabis Sativa in the West Indies are not F1 / F2 / F3 hybrids, they are a stable strain that has been on those islands since before man.
When tested come up at around 3% / 5% ‘THC’.


PT

[pillowtalk]

This stuff about super strength skunk is a load of hype from the Government and the Media; there's as much truth in the Home Secretary's claim of yesterday that skunk cannabis is three times stronger than it was twelve years ago, as there is truth in Tony BLiar's claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. This is all reefer madness all over again.


WRONG !!, LOLZ.
The figures i quoted in my post were from a study done by ‘High Times’ on the ‘THC’ content of various strains.

Skunk is merely a generic term for a type of cannabis that has been around for years. Yes there are some strong strains of cannabis, most of which are not even technically skunk, i.e., Jack Herer, G13, MK Ultra, Northern Lights, White Widow, etc., to name but a few, but these terms are not so media friendly for scare mongering stories. It does not cause schizophrenia, which would explain why levels of schizophenia are no higher in Jamaica than they are in the UK and the levels in the UK have remained pretty much the same, even though cannabis usage has increased.


We are not talking about Skunk / Norther lights / white widow ect, we are talking ‘THC’ content !!, keep up.
The strains of Cannabis Sativa in the West Indies are not F1 / F2 / F3 hybrids, they are a stable strain that has been on those islands since before man.
When tested come up at around 3% / 5% ‘THC’.


PT

[pillowtalk]

Truth is, the strong stuff has been around for ages, and yes it's been done by selective breeding; also growing with hydroponics, using a CO2 generator, and various nutrients, can all increase the THC levels. The strongest strains tend to be the long flowering ones, so you won't see so many of those on the market, coz they take longer to grow, and therefore less profitable to the organised criminal gangs that grow them who want as fast a turnover of profit as possible.

WRONG !!
White widow / Blue berry, when grown under 600 w HPS on light movers, with Co2 discharge using flood and drain systems , have both been tested at around the 12 % / 14% ‘THC’ mark.
Both of these will flower fully in 10 weeks.

The good Sativas floating around will take up to 16 weeks + longer.
The yeild will be a lot less than pure Indica F1 / 2/ 3 hybrids.
These strains are NOT higher in ‘THC’ but have differing levels THC in relation to CBN / CBD which effect the cerebral quality of the high, nothing more.
Maybe i should be called DrHemp not you !!, LOLZ.......

so if you're smoking it then that will actually be healthier for you.

While you may be ingesting lower levels of cellulose material / Tar, ect, you will still be ingesting high levels of ‘THC’ ~ END OF.

PT.

[pillowtalk]

Has anyone on here read Gary Webb's book Dark Alliance, on how the CIA ran the cocaine trade and were totally responsible for the epidemic of crack cocaine in the 80s in USA and Europe. Oddly enough Gary Webb shot himself (twice in the head ????) shorty after publishing his book, however, it remains a thoroughly well research piece of research in Government involvement with the criminal drugs trade.


YES !!.


Did you know that before the invasion of Afghanistan, heroin was only produced in 3 provinces of Afghanistan, and now it is produced in all 34 provinces?

Take a look at the Bill Clinton Mena airport connection.

PT.

[dmessick]

Wouldn't it be nice if the govt would just mind their own commercial business and leave the private sector alone. If you want to smoke pot, shoot up heroine, or whatever that is your private personal business. I hate private rights regulations. I do what I want when I want and never bother anyone while I'm doing it. That's Freedom.

[pillowtalk]

Clinton / CIA / Mena airport.

Make up your own mind.:eek:

The facts.............

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8681225708920427234

PT.

[tim winckler]

Put simply, a person who is high on pot ONLY cannot be brainwashed or controlled. You cannot remember an implant or it becomes inactive due to lack of interest.
It also helps a great deal in focusing on your goal and helps retention of material. It helps retention of important facts and filters out the garbage.

No other reason for the ban.:cool:

[drhemp]

WRONG !!
White widow / Blue berry, when grown under 600 w HPS on light movers, with Co2 discharge using flood and drain systems , have both been tested at around the 12 % / 14% ‘THC’ mark.
Both of these will flower fully in 10 weeks.

The good Sativas floating around will take up to 16 weeks + longer.
The yeild will be a lot less than pure Indica F1 / 2/ 3 hybrids.
These strains are NOT higher in ‘THC’ but have differing levels THC in relation to CBN / CBD which effect the cerebral quality of the high, nothing more.
Maybe i should be called DrHemp not you !!, LOLZ.......


While you may be ingesting lower levels of cellulose material / Tar, ect, you will still be ingesting high levels of ‘THC’ ~ END OF.

PT.

High Times has an agenda to promote the Dutch seed companies that spend an awful lot of money advertising in their publication, so I would take any report in that magazine with a hefty pinch of salt.

That said, nobody is denying that there are not strong strains of cannabis, I'm just saying they are not as strong as the Government would have you believe (shock horror Govt are lying to us for their own agenda) and they are certainly not prevalent in the UK - if it takes 10 (or more) weeks to flower, then commercial growers will not be so interested, as they will make more money on a faster flowerering strain. Furthermore these strong strains have been around for ages, including when the Government's advisory committee originally recommended a downgrade back in 2002. Most commercial growers don't spend money on things like the CO2 generator that you spoke of, or other expensive equipment that can increase the THC content, which is why Tron spoke in the earlier post of only being able to source poor quality cannabis. Personally I prefer the Moroccan style hashishs that you get in the Arabic coffeeshops in Holland that gives a more pleasant cerebral high rather than these strong strains of weed (that have been around for ages).

No we're not talking about skunk, that's exactly my point, it's the Government and media that have been scaremongering the public with the term "skunk", it's a fairly meaningless term that the media have coined.

Of course, if you are worried about inhaling the tar, then use a vaporiser or even better, eat it. It's still true to say that you don't inhale so much tar with a stronger form of cannabis if you smoke less. All I can say is that if you really think the cannabis that is sold on the market now is three times stronger than what you could buy 12 years ago (as is claimed by the govt.) then you must have had a really shit dealer back then.

So I stand by my earlier post that the Government's current propaganda is a repeat of Reefer Madness; whether you agree with me is a matter of opinion rather than a fact! So no I don't think I am wrong as you state, but you are free to disagree with me.

What I hope we can agree on is the illegality of cannabis benefits only criminals involved with the trade and leads to dangerous forms of cannabis being sold on the market such as gritweed or soapbar. Even the Governments own advisors didn't agree with most of the rubbish that has been spouted about cannabis; didn't they say something like it could have an averse effect 1 in 5,000 men and 1 in 20,000 women.

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[tim winckler]

Put simply, a person who is high on pot ONLY cannot be brainwashed or controlled. You cannot remember an implant or it becomes inactive due to lack of interest.
It also helps a great deal in focusing on your goal and helps retention of material. It helps retention of important facts and filters out the garbage.

No other reason for the ban.:cool:

[drhemp]

Put simply, a person who is high on pot ONLY cannot be brainwashed or controlled. You cannot remember an implant or it becomes inactive due to lack of interest.
It also helps a great deal in focusing on your goal and helps retention of material. It helps retention of important facts and filters out the garbage.

No other reason for the ban.:cool:

It's also about moderation and quantity. Just as you will get problems in life if you drink a bottle of whiskey a day, you will probably not find it most productive to smoke half an ounce of super-strength weed every day, though I'm sure the whiskey ultimately would be more dangerous. Despite my posts, I actually consume a very small amount of cannabis these days, because I choose not to, I simply object to a fascist government telling me I cannot do this, when I know for a fact in moderation it does me little to no harm.

You are right, they don't like things like cannabis that can expand your mind, same with the non-toxic magic mushrooms they banned a few years ago, whereas alcohol, which depresses the thought process is permitted.

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[pillowtalk]

High Times has an agenda to promote the Dutch seed companies that spend an awful lot of money advertising in their publication, so I would take any report in that magazine with a hefty pinch of salt.


In Your opinion, YES !!, LOLZ.

- if it takes 10 (or more) weeks to flower, then commercial growers will not be so interested, as they will make more money on a faster flowering strain. Furthermore these strong strains have been around for ages,

Utter fucking Pish !!.
Nothing on the market even stable Indica will flower in less that 8 weeks.
Commercial growers are selling to consumers, supply and demand.
Also Co2 will speed up growth rates, giving higher yields, not commercially viable, get a grip !!.
I don’t care what you call it, AK47 / White widow / Super Skunk.
FYI, the term Skunk came form an old school Sensi seed bank strain that smelt so strong when flowering it was called SKUNK.

PT

[pillowtalk]

More CIA drug running.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7009998324250484369&q=&hl=en

PT

[kblood]

Its good that laws are meant to be broken. That is why we had to make them in the first place ;)

Another good advice is when visiting the doctor, not to do what he tells you to do, but what yuo feel and know that he wants you to do.

[drhemp]

In Your opinion, YES !!, LOLZ.



Utter fucking Pish !!.
Nothing on the market even stable Indica will flower in less that 8 weeks.
Commercial growers are selling to consumers, supply and demand.
Also Co2 will speed up growth rates, giving higher yields, not commercially viable, get a grip !!.
I don’t care what you call it, AK47 / White widow / Super Skunk.
FYI, the term Skunk came form an old school Sensi seed bank strain that smelt so strong when flowering it was called SKUNK.

PT







I'm no maths genius, but my calculations make 10 weeks 2 weeks more than 8 weeks.

I'm not a commercial grower of cannabis (or even non-commercial), but I was told by a guy I know who owns a hydroponics shop that it is the hobby home grower that tends to spend a fortune on the growing equipment and nutrients that supposedly gets the higher yields and THC content, whereas the commercial growers go for the the cheapest growing operation they can get hold of. If true, this would explain that generally the best cannabis I usually find in the UK is that grown by friends who have got a sneaky plant in their closet, and the inferior stuff is the pot I buy on the black market that I suspect is grown by organised criminal gangs. So not pish my friend! Whatever pish is?

Yes that's where the term skunk comes from, and it is used now by the Government and media to scaremonger about cannabis.

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[jahzel]

It's not surprise really, coming from that disgusting fascist bitch Jacqui Smith. :mad:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/434623972_9331022059.jpg :D

All she seems to do is push this Orwellian Police State crap on us.

[pillowtalk]

I'm no maths genius, but my calculations make 10 weeks 2 weeks more than 8 weeks.

I'm not a commercial grower of cannabis (or even non-commercial), but I was told by a guy I know who owns a hydroponics shop that it is the hobby home grower that tends to spend a fortune on the growing equipment and nutrients that supposedly gets the higher yields and THC content, whereas the commercial growers go the the cheapest growing operation they can get hold of.


I was involved in commercial production for many years.
Are you telling me that commercial growers grow nothing but Indica ??.
You were told by a guy you know (was it down the pub)!!, do you want to rethink that one, LMFAO !!.

The best weed i have smoked in a while is grown by a friend of mine (used to be my partner) who turns over around 20 oz every harvest, from a nice little place in the Green belt (scuse the pun).

PT

[drhemp]

I was involved in commercial production for many years.
Are you telling me that commercial growers grow nothing but Indica ??.
You were told by a guy you know (was it down the pub)!!, do you want to rethink that one, LMFAO !!.

The best weed i have smoked in a while is grown by a friend of mine (used to be my partner) who turns over around 20 oz every harvest, from a nice little place in the Green belt (scuse the pun).

PT



My my, you do like to put words into other people's mouths, no I certainly have never suggested that commercial growers only grow indica, and no I don't want to rethink that one, as I happen to know that what this guy was telling me about the commercial growers is true, I don't want to give too much information about the particular shop, as they have recently started prosecuting businesses for incitement to grow.

I suspect the report in High Times was comparing cannabis grown by the Dutch seed companies themselves under optimum conditions with outdoor bushweed. Did you know the cup is only won by people who spend lots of money advertising in the High Times, and you have to give them a kilo of weed to enter?

If the cannabis you can get hold of is commercially grown premium bud with a high THC content, then I'd love to know your dealer, as most of the stuff that I buy is average quality cannabis that has not been dried properly. I'm not saying there are not strong strains of cannabis about, I'm just saying that they are not any stronger than they were a few years ago, when the government downgraded and that much of the cannabis sold on the black market is not the super-strength cannabis that the Government talks of (unless you are lucky enough to know whoever you buy it from?). I can remember getting really nice and strong White Widow from Brixham back in the early 90s, but according to Jacquie Smith, it's a new phenomenon called "skunk" that is much stronger than it was 12 years ago; I'm suggesting that this is not true, but of course you are welcome to believe our Labour Government Minister.

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[pillowtalk]

I suspect the report in High Times was comparing cannabis grown by the Dutch seed companies themselves under optimum conditions with outdoor bushweed.

It was.
Any one who is operating a hydroponics system, growing any strain from Northern lights to Blue berry, that is not getting above 10% ‘THC’ should go do something else.
Incompetence is a word that springs to mind.


If the cannabis you can get hold of is commercially grown premium bud with a high THC content, then I'd love to know your dealer, as most of the stuff that I buy is average quality cannabis that has not been dried properly.

1. As i have stated, not my dealer but my ex-partner.
2. I make it my business to look at what people are smoking (curiosity) and i have to say i see a fair bit good quality bud floating around London from various sources, so maybe it’s just you.


I can remember getting really nice and strong White Widow from Brixham back in the early 90s, but according to Jacquie Smith, it's a new phenomenon called "skunk" that is much stronger than it was 12 years ago; I'm suggesting that this is not true, but of course you are welcome to believe our Labour Government Minister.


I don't know where this last bit comes from !!.
Never have i stated that the Labour Gov policy is right, i couldn't give a fuck what the wankers in this country get up to TBH !!.

I know what i see before my eyes.;)

PT

[drhemp]

Sure there's some nice bud around, but I'm finding this often not easy to find, and yes these strains of bud are stronger than outdoor bushweed, no matter who grows them, but they've been around for years.

The point I was making that the Government's assertion that cannabis should be reclassified because it is now 3 times stronger than it was 12 years ago is not true, and that most of the cannabis sold on the black market is not the strongest super-strength cannabis, that you don't even find in all the Dutch coffeshops. Sure it's stronger than outdoor bushweed, but that could be said of any hydroponically grown northern lights cannabis that was being sold 12 years ago.

Pleased to hear you don't agree with our Government's policy and apoligise for suggesting otherwise. I'm not even sure that we are disagreeing that much.

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[kweli]

Thanks all (especially the Doc) you've turned this into a very informative thread.

[pillowtalk]

The point I was making that the Government's assertion that cannabis should be reclassified because it is now 3 times stronger than it was 12 years ago is not true, and that most of the cannabis sold on the black market is not the strongest super-strength cannabis, that you don't even find in all the Dutch coffeshops. Sure it's stronger than outdoor bushweed, but that could be said of any hydroponically grown northern lights cannabis that was being sold 12 years ago.
Agreed.


Pleased to hear you don't agree with our Government's policy and apoligise for suggesting otherwise. I'm not even sure that we are disagreeing that much.



Nor am i now !!;)

PT

[pillowtalk]

Thanks all (especially the Doc) you've turned this into a very informative thread.

Hey, i added a fair bit.
But if you don’t want to aknowledge / give credit, that’s cool.

PT.

[kweli]

Thanks all (especially the Doc) you've turned this into a very informative thread.

Hey, i added a fair bit.
But if you don’t want to aknowledge / give credit, that’s cool.

PT.



Aww, but I did.. I said thanks ALL. It's just I'm more inclined to agree with the Docs responses than yours. You did say in your own words, you're playing 'devils advocate'.

Anyway, problem solved, I have a Blue Peter Badge, winging it's way to you right now. ;)

[drhemp]

Hey, i added a fair bit.
But if you don’t want to aknowledge / give credit, that’s cool.

PT.



Agreed you did; I didn't realise that these stories of 3x super strength cannabis were from comparing it with outdoor bushweed, I've even heard figures of 15x stronger, which I suppose could be possible if compared with bushweed, but I think we both agree it's rather disingenuous of the Government to say that "skunk" cannabis is 3-15 times stronger than what was around 12 years ago. Skunk cannabis, as you quite rightly suggest, is an old school term from a sensiseed bank that is now broadly used for all green cannabis that is not outdoor bushweed (usually grown indoors under artificial lights – AK47, White Widow, etc.,), and has always been stronger, though granted there are some stronger strains than others, but these are not widely sold on the black market. To say that "skunk" is now 3 times stronger than the "skunk" of 12 years ago (or even much further back) would mean a THC level of, what do you reckon, say .... 45 -60% ? which is quite frankly ridiculous.

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[pillowtalk]

To say that "skunk" is now 3 times stronger than the "skunk" of 12 years ago (or even much further back) would mean a THC level of, what do you reckon, say .... 45 -60% ? which is quite frankly ridiculous.


Absolutely 100%;)

PT

[kblood]

I think the laws will keep getting tighter and tighter, but the eldest amongst us will always know good ways to avoid the law, or better ways to bend the rules instead of breaking them ;)

Doing what is right is easier than doing what is wrong :D That is one of my small lifegiving and inspiring secrets ;)

Is these laws really cramping the trade much? Or is it just opening new ways of making business for other people? Having the wisdom of having made one company makes it easier to make another one.

[kweli]

I think the laws will keep getting tighter and tighter, but the eldest amongst us will always know good ways to avoid the law, or better ways to bend the rules instead of breaking them ;)

Doing what is right is easier than doing what is wrong :D That is one of my small lifegiving and inspiring secrets ;)

Is these laws really cramping the trade much? Or is it just opening new ways of making business for other people? Having the wisdom of having made one company makes it easier to make another one.

I won't argue with any of that, especially your first two paragraphs. It's not easy being dodgy, but it sure beats following the herd. ;)

[gods sun]

this is just stupid wt f!!! saliva 10X avalible now in 45X strength and weed isn't allowed? strange laws england has. really got on me this thread :mad: anyway wont stop me. used to be used as much as tobacco but now they fill us with crap and chemicals and call it legal. :mad: i also once said a herb has a life plant has a life no matter how advanced technology will become the herbs will always be safe, and find a way to people to wake them up, its strange ive seen it through observation, the plant no matter when picked always wants human attention and thats not just experience or addiction. as if the plant was given a mission of some sort and N.W.O is afraid of it hum... N.W.O will not take control of it nor will anyone its free shame we just are not and these herbs give us a small path to it.

[psych641]

Not really sure what the agenda is yet, but it's certainly going to bring a lot more cash in. The reclassification will mean much heftier penalties.


http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/drugs/ drugs-law/cannabis-reclassification/

Young people in possession of cannabis

A young offender in possession of cannabis will be arrested and taken to a police station where they can receive a reprimand, final warning or charge depending on the seriousness of the offence.

Following one reprimand, any further offence will lead to a final warning or charge. Any further offence following a warning will normally result in a charge being brought. After a final warning, the young offender must be referred to the Youth Offending Team to arrange a rehabilitation programme to prevent reoffending.

This police enforcement is consistent with the structured framework for early juvenile offending established under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.
Adults in possession of cannabis

Adults in possession of cannabis
It is unlikely that adults caught in possession of cannabis will be arrested. Most offences of possession result in a warning and confiscation of the drug. But some instances may lead to arrest and possible caution or prosecution, including:

*
repeat offending
*
smoking in a public place
*
instances where public order is threatened
*
possession of cannabis in the vicinity of premises used by children


This suggests there might be a discrepancy? Adults in possession of small amounts will likely get treated no differently than now. Young people get forced into 'rehabilitation' programs.

[psych641]

Havent read the thread that closely, but there is a problem with modern weed in that (as well as lead powder(!)/glass beads/chemical residues) factories harvest it early for a quick turnover - this alters the ratio of psychedelic/anti-psychotic alkaloids in the cannabinoid profile and can produces a para/edgy buzz, even with indicas.

[drhemp]

Havent read the thread that closely, but there is a problem with modern weed in that (as well as lead powder(!)/glass beads/chemical residues) factories harvest it early for a quick turnover - this alters the ratio of psychedelic/anti-psychotic alkaloids in the cannabinoid profile and can produces a para/edgy buzz, even with indicas.

I received a letter from the Home Office last week stating that the Government makes its judgments on what is best for public health, which makes it so laughable, when the illegality of cannabis means that more dangerous forms are sold such as soap bar (containing henna, plastic, rubber, even ketamine, etc.,) or gritweed (containing glass, silicon), but we all know our Government doesn't give a shit about public health.

If the Government really cares about public health, then why does it not ban Aspartame, which has been proven to be dangerous and is found in thousands of food and drink products that are often marketed at children? Why don’t they ban shit food aimed at children, such as McDonalds? I can tell you why, as this would upset the likes of Donald Rumsfold and big multi-national corporations that only care about making money, rather than care about the public’s health, and we all know that such corporations have this Government in its pockets.

If the Government really cares about public health, then why does it not fight the European Commission’s requirement that Britain puts on the statue books the Codex Alimentarius guidelines that seek to eliminate natural health care and remove the labeling requirements for organic and GM food? Again, they do not do this, as these guidelines are there to protect the profits of huge pharmaceutical or food giants such as Pfizer or Monsanto.

If this Government really did care about public health, it would promote the availability and consumption of fresh, locally produced organic food, as opposed to the crap found on the shelves of Tesco or Sainsburys, but instead it seeks to eradicate the availability of such goods via the Codex Alimentarius guidelines. Furthermore, it would promote natural health care, which in turn, apart from making the nation healthier, would save the NHS a fortune.

If the Government is really concerned about drugs, then it should look a bit closer to home. The 3rd biggest killer in the UK is properly prescribed allopathic medicine. (The first and second are heart disease and cancer, which are both caused by bad diets and smoking tobacco and can be prevented and cured by a good nutritional advice, which will be illegal to give under the Codex guidelines). Every week doctors hand out thousands of prescriptions for nasty and dangerous, not to mention completely unnecessary and highly addictive, chemical antidepressants, such as Prozac or Valium. Now these drugs do kill and should not be taken by anybody, yet the Government even foots the bill for these dreadful substances, while at the same time criminalising cannabis users for consuming a far less harmful herb that grows naturally on this planet and even has proven medicinal qualities! The hypocrisy and double standards is breath taking.

Fuck them; I'll still toke when I want; I'm not going to be lectured about public health and morality by a Government of War Criminals that are partly responsible for the deaths of over 1 millions innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq. Read what people are saying on the readers' comments web pages of the BBC and newspapers like the Times, there is huge opposition to this decision to reclassify cannabis and there are some scathing comments about this Government. I tell you, they are not liked out there, which is no doubt why their insistence on listening to tabloid editors, rather than the public or even its own panel of experts, led to them getting the worst election results in over 40 years.

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[pillowtalk]

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/e390_1.JPG

Spot on post.

Love the Hawkwind poster !!.

Robert calvert was the man, Huw Lloyd-Langton was the man on Guitar for me.

PT

[psych641]

I think the main drive behind the whole 'reefer madness 2' campaign originates from Big Pharma.

Cannabis is useful for a huge list of health ailments that are currently treated with (often inferior) patented pharmaceuticals.

[joyful]

I know quite a few young, fit and intelligent weed smokers who have been depressed, one commited suicide, one developed manic depression. It's a fact. Stop being paranoid, if you still can, it isn't just 'the government' trying to scare you.

[kweli]

I received a letter from the Home Office last week stating that the Government makes its judgments on what is best for public health, which makes it so laughable, when the illegality of cannabis means that more dangerous forms are sold such as soap bar (containing henna, plastic, rubber, even ketamine, etc.,) or gritweed (containing glass, silicon), but we all know our Government doesn't give a shit about public health.

If the Government really cares about public health, then why does it not ban Aspartame, which has been proven to be dangerous and is found in thousands of food and drink products that are often marketed at children? Why don’t they ban shit food aimed at children, such as McDonalds? I can tell you why, as this would upset the likes of Donald Rumsfold and big multi-national corporations that only care about making money, rather than care about the public’s health, and we all know that such corporations have this Government in its pockets.

If the Government really cares about public health, then why does it not fight the European Commission’s requirement that Britain puts on the statue books the Codex Alimentarius guidelines that seek to eliminate natural health care and remove the labeling requirements for organic and GM food? Again, they do not do this, as these guidelines are there to protect the profits of huge pharmaceutical or food giants such as Pfizer or Monsanto.

If this Government really did care about public health, it would promote the availability and consumption of fresh, locally produced organic food, as opposed to the crap found on the shelves of Tecso or Sainsburys, but instead it seeks to eradicate the availability of such goods via the Codex Alimentarius guidelines. Furthermore, it would promote natural health care, which in turn, apart from making the nation healthier, would save the NHS a fortune.

If the Government is really concerned about drugs, then it should look a bit closer to home. The 3rd biggest killer in the UK is properly prescribed allopathic medicine. (The first and second are heart disease and cancer, which are both caused by bad diets and smoking tobacco and can be prevented and cured by a good nutritional advice, which will be illegal to give under the Codex guidelines). Every week doctors hand out thousands of prescriptions for nasty and dangerous, not to mention completely unnecessary and highly addictive, chemical antidepressants, such as Prozac or Valium. Now these drugs do kill and should not be taken by anybody, yet the Government even foots the bill for these dreadful substances, while at the same time criminalising cannabis users for consuming a far less harmful herb that grows naturally on this planet and even has proven medicinal qualities! The hypocrisy and double standards is breath taking.

Fuck them; I'll still toke when I want; I'm not going to be lectured about public health and morality by a Government of War Criminals that are partly responsible for the deaths of over 1 millions innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq. Read what people are saying on the readers' comments web pages of the BBC and newspapers like the Times, there is huge opposition to this decision to reclassify cannabis and there are some scathing comments about this Government. I tell you, they are not liked out there, which is no doubt why their insistence on listening to tabloid editors, rather than the public or even its own panel of experts, led to them getting the worst election results in over 40 years.

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Beautiful post, absolutely beautiful!

Spot on post.

Love the Hawkwind poster !!.

Robert calvert was the man, Huw Lloyd-Langton was the man on Guitar for me.

PT

Oh, and your's too pillowtalk. :D

[kweli]

I know quite a few young, fit and intelligent weed smokers who have been depressed, one commited suicide, one developed manic depression. It's a fact. Stop being paranoid, if you still can, it isn't just 'the government' trying to scare you.

What's to say these people wouldn't have followed the same paths anyway? Do you have actual evidence (medical or otherwise) to link their use of cannabis to suicide or depression? Or are you just following the MSM hysteria?

[drhemp]

I know quite a few young, fit and intelligent weed smokers who have been depressed, one commited suicide, one developed manic depression. It's a fact. Stop being paranoid, if you still can, it isn't just 'the government' trying to scare you.

The evidence does not support what you are saying. Even the Government's own advisory panel did not believe the link between cannabis use and mental illness is strong.

The majority of marijuana users hold down jobs, pay the rent or mortgage, support a family, etc., but the most noticeable pot smokers tend to be the most dysfunctional, are the ones who come to represent the whole class in the public mind. Well-adjusted, high achieving pot smokers tend to keep their drug use private, so they're not even recognised as cannabis users, unless they happen to get arrested, something they will take measures to avoid. Given the lies and prejudice about cannabis promoted by our Government and the media, it's easy to understand why the average pot user prefers to remain silent. If they acknowledge their marijuana use they risk being tarred with stereotypes that manifestly do not apply to them.

There is such a thing as responsible drug use, and it is the rule, not the exception. Most people control their cannabis use, rather than let their cannabis use control them, as with alcohol, the primary motivation in using cannabis is to enjoy ourselves, not to destroy ourselves.

Maladjustment leads to drug abuse, not the other way round. I'm sorry about your friends, but what you are saying is like assuming that the wino passed out in the gutter is a typical drinker.

The Government are lying to us on just about every issue there is, whether it be the terrorist threat, weapons of mass destruction, health care, and yes they are lying to us on the cannabis issue too.

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[pillowtalk]

Oh, and your's too pillowtalk. :D

That's better ;).

PT

[kweli]

That's better ;).

PT

I was being sincere. (albeit sarcastically so ;)) I appreciate your contribution, I have learned, (or should that be learnt? depends where you live I suppose? or is it interchangeable?.. I digress) from your posts.

[pillowtalk]

I was being sincere. (albeit sarcastically so ;)) I appreciate your contribution, I have learned, (or should that be learnt? depends where you live I suppose? or is it interchangeable?.. I digress) from your posts.

LMFAO !! ~ LOLZ...........:D

PT

[eternal_spirit]

Anyone remember how good gold and red seal black used to be and the different types of excellent morrocan hashish/resin used to be around like over 20 years ago? I miss those days. I like a bit of green but you know. Would I have to go live in Holland or somewhere to get the same shit as the old days?, because it's a rarerty in the uk..

[kweli]

Anyone remember how good gold and red seal black used to be and the different types of excellent morrocan hashish/resin used to be around like over 20 years ago? I miss those days. I like a bit of green but you know. Would I have to go live in Holland or somewhere to get the same shit as the old days?, because it's a rarerty in the uk..

I do indeed! And squidgy black (from a good source) that you could just roll into whatever sized sausage you liked. ;) Man, the gear seemed so much better back in't day. Maybe it's just my tolerance levels? :confused::rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

I do indeed! And squidgy black (from a good source) that you could just roll into whatever sized sausage you liked. ;) Man, the gear seemed so much better back in't day. Maybe it's just my tolerance levels? :confused::rolleyes:

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A sausage or a sausage crumble:D

I think a good resin may have higher THC.

[pillowtalk]

Would I have to go live in Holland or somewhere to get the same shit as the old days?, because it's a rarerty in the uk..

So is good hash in Holland.
The only good hash you will find there is domestic, made from bud clippings.
Very nice !!.
But not from Morocco / Pakistan / Lebanon etc..........

Oh and, yes, i do remember those days, Blond slate that fluffed up so fine it went into your finger print.

PT

[kweli]

So is good hash in Holland.
The only good hash you will find there is domestic, made from bud clippings.
Very nice !!.
But not from Morocco / Pakistan / Lebanon etc..........

Oh and, yes, i do remember those days, Blond slate that fluffed up so fine it went into your finger print.

PT

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[tron]

Anyone remember how good gold and red seal black used to be and the different types of excellent morrocan hashish/resin used to be around like over 20 years ago? I miss those days. I like a bit of green but you know. Would I have to go live in Holland or somewhere to get the same shit as the old days?, because it's a rarerty in the uk..

dude, you'll be lucky to find the good shit in Holland the way things are going. Where i live you can only really get the normal rubbish green, mostly a struggle to get rocky (not that I try) , even the shitty stuff with plastic that was everywhere 5 years ago. Luckily over the past few weeks I've been getting Squidge and HG, but looks like thats finished. Even the import is contaminated with shit. I used to enjoy green for the fact that you could almost trust it, not anymore. :( x

[tron]

And remember the really compressed stuff, didn't even need a grinder as it just crumbled in your hand.... I miss it! :(

[lookfar]

Luckily over the past few weeks I've been getting Squidge and HG

Aww did you have to mention squidge - I'm having a Homer moment now, droool, lol:p:D

[pillowtalk]

And remember the really compressed stuff, didn't even need a grinder as it just crumbled in your hand.... I miss it! :(

Full of seeds & it used to smell like old socks when you put it up to your nose.
Yeah, i remember that suff.:confused:

Nasty AFRICAN BUSH dried badly and grown fuck knows where, sprayed with fuck knows what.
Then compressed into a brick to take up less space in shipping, what better way to make the ‘THC’ degrade into lesser cannabiods ??.:rolleyes:

If you miss that stuff the gear round your way must have ben dire for years !!.

I am not trying to offend, but i wouldn’t have smoked that shit if i was sponsored by Red Eye magazine.

PT

[tron]

Full of seeds & it used to smell like old socks when you put it up to your nose.
Yeah, i remember that suff.:confused:

Nasty AFRICAN BUSH dried badly and grown fuck knows where, sprayed with fuck knows what.
Then compressed into a brick to take up less space in shipping, what better way to make the ‘THC’ degrade into lesser cannabiods ??.:rolleyes:

If you miss that stuff the gear round your way must have ben dire for years !!.

I am not trying to offend, but i wouldn’t have smoked that shit if i was sponsored by Red Eye magazine.

PT


Different stuff your thinking of mate, I've had the bush and its rank!!! No, its just really good bud, crushed for import. Wasn't bush, you could see the crystals on your fingers. :D x

[lightgiver]

ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO CAUSES MORE DEATH AND PROBLEMS THAN ANY OTHER DRUG:mad:BUT THEY WILL NOT BAN IT:mad:ISNT WHISKEY STRONGER THAN BEER:rolleyes:POLITICIANS SAME SHIT DIFFERENT ASSHOLE:confused:

[drhemp]

Peter Hitchens writes in the Daily Mail writes that he wants to lose cannabis from society forever.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n482/a01.html

Now I personally would rather lose Peter Hitchens and the Daily Mail from our society forever

[redhead]

Blond slate that fluffed up so fine it went into your finger print.
PT



;):D:p

[pillowtalk]

;):D:p

That Lebanese's slate used to make the room smell like sweet pollen where it was being smoked !!.

My bro (ex-partner) makes hash out of the bud clippings & it is not far of that Lebanese's slate from back in the day.

On the swing bed (in Portugal) at dusk with a 10 mg Valium and a large one of those burning / large glass of ice cold mineral water, is pure heaven !!.:cool:

PT

[the itinerant shrubber]

Getting high followed by a beer or two give me a real euphoria. Getting drunk and then getting stoned however is crap.
Anyone know how I can get high and not get the munchies?:(

[pillowtalk]

Anyone know how I can get high and not get the munchies?:(

YEAH, get stoned down the woods, it don't stop the munchies but you can't get to the fridge.(snare hits followed by a cymbal crash) ;)

PT

[lightgiver]

Peter Hitchens writes in the Daily Mail writes that he wants to lose cannabis from society forever.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n482/a01.html

Now I personally would rather lose Peter Hitchens and the Daily Mail from our society forever

RIGHT ON:D:D:D