Psychotropic drugs and awakening

[seba18]

Even if I've not understood yet what awakening means (see my questions at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25717 ), I would ask you if psychotropic drugs compromise the awakening or, oppositely, they aren't injurious for it.

[charooka]

I believe they can compromise the awakening for people that haven't started to awaken, or put differently, for people who's eggshell is in the process of hardening rather than cracking. That is what I believe they have ultimately been designed for.

For everyone else, I think they aren't good in general but in terms of the awakening, i think it shouldn't hurt too much. I do not really know how such drugs affect people on the energetic/spiritual level, but I'm sure they've been designed to be harmful in some way. However, if you make sure to keep your mind and heart open I think they may have some negative effect but not too significant.

I'm not prescribed any such drugs but I do get a good amount of aderall from my friends for study/work purposes for school. I had already began awakening quickly before I began taking aderall to do schoolwork so it has not affected me so much, but I'm sure that it would be better to not take it. In any case, I think it's something that is meant to try to keep people in their eggshells, but once the shell starts to crack they may have a little effect but ultimately they can not be effective. What can some drug program do to infinite consciousness when it starts to remember it is infinite consciousness?

[seba18]

Thanks!
And for you, what does the awakening mean?
Does It consist in doing oriental techniques like Buddhism?

[lelabear]

Thanks!
And for you, what does the awakening mean?
Does It consist in doing oriental techniques like Buddhism?

I think we've each got to figure it out for ourselves!
I made a little video that quotes some 'deep thinkers' on the subject, might give you some ideas of ways we can awaken...should come naturally, but we've been zonked a long time, think we have to remind ourselves we're asleep!

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[deathcultreject]

Even if I've not understood yet what awakening means (see my questions at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25717 ), I would ask you if psychotropic drugs compromise the awakening or, oppositely, they aren't injurious for it.

They certainly don't guarantee it.

If you do them with the wrong people they will make things much worse.

Since there's a generaly sociopathic and toxic race to make people more and more suggestable, and hippy drugs have been commandeered into it years ago, it's best to be very careful how one uses them.

[kerbnix]

Read about Tabernanthe iboga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes psychotropic drugs will help awaken the mind. That is how David started his journey (with ayahuasca) and pretty much how I started mine. Scientists even believe that man may have grown from primative hunter gatherers into the cultural and artistic cave painters under the influence of psychotropic plants.

However, drugs arent the be all and end all and definatly arent a quick fix into getting super powers or psychic gifts. I would research iboga a lot and consider checking out a website such as http://www.herbalhighs.com/ to purchase legal products. Also check your local laws before trying drugs as you may be breaking the law.

[dmt head]

I think psychadelics definately help wih awakening to the nature of reality and DMT definately proved to me tht im an immortal soul, no doubt, and theres no such thing as death. Rationalists will say oh your jut off your head on drugs and you have no proof, though just becuase I cant prove an experience doesnt mean its not so. Mushrooms also changed my perspective and made me a better person. They definately help but the real work is in your normal sober life, and without certain things I wouldnt be the person I am no doubt about that, God bless psychadelics :D

[seba18]

Remember that with "psychotropic drugs" I meant "psychofarms"!
Unfortunately I'm Italian and I don't speak English very well.:p

[elirien]

I don't have much experience with them but I can't believe that something that grows in nature on its own could be bad at all. I'm pretty much convinced with Bill Hicks's theories on this subject.

[alrick888]

Remember that with "psychotropic drugs" I meant "psychofarms"!
Unfortunately I'm Italian and I don't speak English very well.:p

Yeah, you mean antidepressants and other prescription drugs right?

I like the first answer in this thread. If you are already awakened, it doesn't matter so much anymore.

[seba18]

Exactly! I meant them.

[creamfields usa]

I think psychadelics definately help wih awakening to the nature of reality and DMT definately proved to me tht im an immortal soul, no doubt, and theres no such thing as death. Rationalists will say oh your jut off your head on drugs and you have no proof, though just becuase I cant prove an experience doesnt mean its not so. Mushrooms also changed my perspective and made me a better person. They definately help but the real work is in your normal sober life, and without certain things I wouldnt be the person I am no doubt about that, God bless psychadelics :D

Abso-freakin-unlikely that you're immortal.

I don't think of it that way.

The body is certainly mortal. Psychotropics are drugs like Geodon, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Abilify, and Seroquil.

Psychadelics are drugs like Angel Dust and acid.

Ya'll seem confused.

[dmt head]

My soul is immortal not my body. No doubt! DMT proved that to me as I said in my previous post and thats a psychadelic though it could also be called a psychotropic or psychoactive or entheogen, take your pick. Typed psychotropic into wikipedia and its basically saying its the same as psychoactive, which covers all drugs no? Heres the link, Psychoactive drug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[micklemus]

I think psychadelics definately help wih awakening to the nature of reality and DMT definately proved to me tht im an immortal soul, no doubt, and theres no such thing as death. Rationalists will say oh your jut off your head on drugs and you have no proof, though just becuase I cant prove an experience doesnt mean its not so. Mushrooms also changed my perspective and made me a better person. They definately help but the real work is in your normal sober life, and without certain things I wouldnt be the person I am no doubt about that, God bless psychadelics :D

Mais oui!

Sooooooooooooooo with you there.

[free_soul]

I think the reasons for using the psycotice drugs affect the awakening proccess. Speaking from expierience i was on a drug called "Quetiapim" (probably spelt wrong) i was on it for psycosis which literaly means "lost touch with reality" one of the main things was i thought too much.

After taking them it was almost like a plug (like the kind on a bath tub) was pulled out of my foot and all my energy drained out, im not talking about physical enery although that was effected, it was more my life energy.

I dont know an awfull lot about chakra however i have had pains in my lower back (base chakra?) ever since ive taken them if anyone has any sugestions then id love to hear :)

oh i believe that we awaken after a few "computers" If our souls havent been completely roped into the film then i think we gain wisdom not just in 1 life but in many. I find thinking like this explains how some peple seem to grow up faster than others, awakening shouldnt be a disepline more a feeling that slowly helps us to stretch our legs and walk. Oh and giving all the controllers the finger certanly helps :P:P:P

[ninaandnally]

Just thought that since I am an unwilling purveyor of such drugs (i.e. they make me take them) I'd post my $0.02.

These drugs are as dangerous as they come. Just got done watching a commercial for the antipsychotic Abilify and one of the side effects that they ramble off at the mouth at lightspeed is death. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather hear some voices than be dead.

And that's not an isolated incidence. Every one of those drugs has a list of side effects a mile long. It's utter bullshit. Very bad for the awakening because people are too busy fighting medicinal side effects to even be involved in the awakening process or to make any meaningful contribution.

[rockit]

Dunno about dmt as have never tried it but mushys are the dogs. I haven't taken them recently since I began to wake up (anyone got any!) but even before, they gave me a definite sense of who and where I was, so when I started reading Icke's and others' work, it really didn't come as any great shock. I'd kinda come to that conclusion through altered states myself. It was just good to get some confirmation!

I'm a bit more wary of the man made stuff - acid has always seemed to have a darker edge to it - like you could get sucked into something you'd really wish you hadn't. Plus I've seen plenty of people freak out and permanently scar themselves from too much acid, but never from mushys.

Anti depressants and such I would steer well clear of. Depression is there for a reason - somethings wrong. Change it and you'll be fine. Sometimes though it's far easier to pop a pill than address some deep seeded problem in your life. You should always try a non-medical alternative first and I know from experience of both.

[shansuke]

Dunno about dmt as have never tried it but mushys are the dogs. I haven't taken them recently since I began to wake up (anyone got any!) but even before, they gave me a definite sense of who and where I was, so when I started reading Icke's and others' work, it really didn't come as any great shock. I'd kinda come to that conclusion through altered states myself. It was just good to get some confirmation!

I'm a bit more wary of the man made stuff - acid has always seemed to have a darker edge to it - like you could get sucked into something you'd really wish you hadn't. Plus I've seen plenty of people freak out and permanently scar themselves from too much acid, but never from mushys.

Anti depressants and such I would steer well clear of. Depression is there for a reason - somethings wrong. Change it and you'll be fine. Sometimes though it's far easier to pop a pill than address some deep seeded problem in your life. You should always try a non-medical alternative first and I know from experience of both.

well said rockit.

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