What is religion?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Religion...

All religions...

"It is all merely many branches growing from one root."

The quote is not my own...
Think about it.

[madthumbs]

Two words:

"mind control"

[phildee3]

"It is all merely many branches growing from one root."

The quote is not my own...



Good quote.
Who said it?

The root was formed when man crawled out of his cave and said "WTF??!!!"

Religion is mythology.

Stories created by man's imagination/collective unconscious to explain the awesome powers beyond his control.

Combined with practices designed to become one with that power/those powers, hence re again, ligio, to join.


The mind control comes later, when the elite institutionalised it.

[synergy777]

religion exists in two forms, universal knowledge and an edited/corrupted version for the use of the elite to divide and rule.

i like the tree example,

or the many paths up the same mountain, in the end, we all reach the same summit/source, we just take a different route/path/religion-spirituality. david blaine told me that.

[phildee3]

religion exists in two forms, universal knowledge and an edited/corrupted version for the use of the elite to divide and rule.

i like the tree example,

or the many paths up the same mountain, in the end, we all reach the same summit/source, we just take a different route/path/religion-spirituality. david blaine told me that.



Right on...

and when they say "Jesus Christ is the only way," I say -

"True, but he has many names!"

[synergy777]

phildee good, one, i say jesus, you mean yeshua/yashuah, as there is no j in hebrew, so how can he have a name, in his native language, which includes a letter not in his language, lol

[phildee3]

phildee good, one, i say jesus, you mean yeshua/yashuah, as there is no j in hebrew, so how can he have a name, in his native language, which includes a letter not in his language, lol



Words are symbols for things.
The word "Jesus" refers to the same person that you are referring to.
I don't care if you call Ath Cliath "Dublin" or not.
I know what you're talking about.
Words are not the things, so what's the big deal about being "correct" or not?
It's irrelevent.

Personally, I prefer "christos" or "logos" because I'm not referring just to an historical characater but to the "anointed one" (of which there are many).

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Words are symbols for things.
The word "Jesus" refers to the same person that you are referring to.
I don't care if you call Ath Cliath "Dublin" or not.
I know what you're talking about.
Words are not the things, so what's the big deal about being "correct" or not?
It's irrelevent.

Personally, I prefer "christos" or "logos" because I'm not referring just to an historical characater but to the "anointed one" (of which there are many).

Logos is not The Christ. Logos or The Word, was the first thing to come into creation. Hence "Word is Law".

Secondly, who was the real Christ?
Jesus was a wise man, that studied under many schools and wise masters. Due to his political values as well, he was a terrorist to the Romans, and due to power being wanted; texts were perverted, teachings were taken out of context, and any place that held the original teachings was burned to the ground. Then, "the underdog" was chosen as the leader of the meak and weak. But this does not mean he was Christi. That's what I'm wondering.

However, to the one about man only creating stories to fit together that which he could not explain...

:)

[fuknut]

One Word:


Bullshit


:D

[amethyst]

Words are symbols for things.
The word "Jesus" refers to the same person that you are referring to.
I don't care if you call Ath Cliath "Dublin" or not.
I know what you're talking about.
Words are not the things, so what's the big deal about being "correct" or not?
It's irrelevent.

Personally, I prefer "christos" or "logos" because I'm not referring just to an historical characater but to the "anointed one" (of which there are many).

I agree phildee3. I don't think God is going to get mad at you because you left a letter out of the spelling of His name. He "get's" what you mean. ;)

[2013]

Religion. RE-Legion for they are many ? just a thought , considering the situation . :D

[phildee3]

Logos is not The Christ. Logos or The Word, was the first thing to come into creation. Hence "Word is Law".

Secondly, who was the real Christ?




Boy, are you confused!
Why ask, if you're so darned sure you know?

There is much in the bible that has been distorted, and even just plain made up, but the opening lines of John's gospel are succinct and totally consistent with the underlying message of the gospel(s).

Not who was the real Christ, but who is the real Christ.

S/he has no beginning or end, - begotten (of the source), not created.

S/he is the word (ie. logos) -

the will of the infinite source (G-d).

From, and of, him/her/it we receive lifeforce;
to him/her/it our lifeforce must return (re-ligio).

[synergy777]

i like yashuah/yeshua meself.

what archangel michael and the book of daniel, i had a weird dream on saturady, .

i was walking down a road/hill and saw loads of people walking in the opposite direction to me, they were walking past me, there were loads of people.. i wondered why everyone was walking past me and not in the same direction as me. when i got down into the middle of the road, a bloke came up to me with a wooden book, he opened it and on the book i saw daniel on the left page and archer on the right page, it was weird, a book of wood, with words engraved not printed. i then said something arrogant like, i am not daniel but michael, then the guy closed the book and walked pass me. i decided to walk in the oppsite direction of the corwds walking pass me, as i walked passed them i got to the top of hill, then when i turned to look further on i saw a cemetry, i did not like the idea of walking through the cemetry, so i spotted a easy route which went around the cemetry and decided to walk that way. so the people i saw walking past me, must have been coming from the cemetry

any ideas?.

[synergy777]

i looked at the online dream dictionary and started to look into michael. michael turns up in my dreams more than anything, from the arthur thraeds, aldebaran, kalki etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)

Book of Daniel
The prophet Daniel experiences a vision after having undergone a period of fasting. In the vision, an angel identifies Michael as the protector of Israel (10:13, 21). Later in the vision (12:1), Daniel is informed that Michael will stand for Israel during the tribulation to come. There is no further mention of Michael in the Hebrew Bible.

[2013]

It would seem the book made of wood not paper leather and carved words would suggest that the message was a bit more important than usual paper one .At least it wasn't carved in stone so maybe a bit more flexible ? Anyway the people walking away from the cemetery suggests to me that they where the dead rising in their conviction of what they died for .Martyrs etc . Then when i read the Micheal reference i thought perhaps that the people are being led the wrong way that Micheal the protector is going in a different direction so those that say they are Jews or led to believe they are the ones are going against god in that they are not following the chosen protector of the original people .The whole dead rising up therefore is part of the deception to control people from cradle to grave and beyond .Just my interpretation hope it sheds some light . :D
i like yashuah/yeshua meself.

what archangel michael and the book of daniel, i had a weird dream on saturady, .

i was walking down a road/hill and saw loads of people walking in the opposite direction to me, they were walking past me, there were loads of people.. i wondered why everyone was walking past me and not in the same direction as me. when i got down into the middle of the road, a bloke came up to me with a wooden book, he opened it and on the book i saw daniel on the left page and archer on the right page, it was weird, a book of wood, with words engraved not printed. i then said something arrogant like, i am not daniel but michael, then the guy closed the book and walked pass me. i decided to walk in the oppsite direction of the corwds walking pass me, as i walked passed them i got to the top of hill, then when i turned to look further on i saw a cemetry, i did not like the idea of walking through the cemetry, so i spotted a easy route which went around the cemetry and decided to walk that way. so the people i saw walking past me, must have been coming from the cemetry

any ideas?.

[amethyst]

i like yashuah/yeshua meself.

what archangel michael and the book of daniel, i had a weird dream on saturady, .

i was walking down a road/hill and saw loads of people walking in the opposite direction to me, they were walking past me, there were loads of people.. i wondered why everyone was walking past me and not in the same direction as me. when i got down into the middle of the road, a bloke came up to me with a wooden book, he opened it and on the book i saw daniel on the left page and archer on the right page, it was weird, a book of wood, with words engraved not printed. i then said something arrogant like, i am not daniel but michael, then the guy closed the book and walked pass me. i decided to walk in the oppsite direction of the corwds walking pass me, as i walked passed them i got to the top of hill, then when i turned to look further on i saw a cemetry, i did not like the idea of walking through the cemetry, so i spotted a easy route which went around the cemetry and decided to walk that way. so the people i saw walking past me, must have been coming from the cemetry

any ideas?.

A symbolic dream with an instructive message.

Maybe an angel (symbolic of Michael) telling you to read the book of Daniel for instruction? Meditate on it.

Key words are highlighted.

Mat 7:13-14 : "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

many and wide= "loads of people"

narrow gate= "I decided to walk in the opposite direction"

Few= you alone walking, not following the crowd, which leads to destruction

cemetery= destruction...broad is the way that leads to it. You chose not to go the way of death.

[amethyst]

Religion:

A form of worship

1.esp. external, that which consists of ceremonies

2.religious discipline

[phildee3]

Religion:

2.religious discipline



A bit silly, isn't it?

Using the same word to define a word!

Spiritual discipline, perhaps?

Works for me.

[emerald]

A tool and nothing but a tool. A murderous one.

[synergy777]

2013 and amerthyst thanks for analysis.

i have had a lot michael related dreams eg mont st michael, aldebaran etc.

i do go against what the majority think as i know they are cunningly manipulated by the elite. also to live truly/compassionately in this society is nigh on impossibe, as everything is controlled by the elite.

[amethyst]

A bit silly, isn't it?

Using the same word to define a word!

Spiritual discipline, perhaps?

Works for me.

I actually got the definition from an online biblical dictionary....redundant, I agree.

A tool and nothing but a tool. A murderous one.

I agree...an outward act if it isn't really done from the heart. Like a useless ritual, a just going thru the motions type of thing.

James 1:27 says this: Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

In otherwords, looking after your fellow man/woman who is in need. Just caring about other people besides yourself. And not to be caught up in the world's perspective about how to live your life, but to live it unhindered and free....good clean living. (my interpretation;))

[amethyst]

2013 and amerthyst thanks for analysis.

i have had a lot michael related dreams eg mont st michael, aldebaran etc.

i do go against what the majority think as i know they are cunningly manipulated by the elite. also to live truly/compassionately in this society is nigh on impossibe, as everything is controlled by the elite.

You're right, it's hard syn when everything is controlled and manipulated...including people's emotions and predjudices and biase's, but hey, somebody's gotta try to live compassionately right? And we can control "us".....not others, but ourselves at least.

[synergy777]

You're right, it's hard syn when everything is controlled and manipulated...including people's emotions and predjudices and biase's, but hey, somebody's gotta try to live compassionately right? And we can control "us".....not others, but ourselves at least.

true, as long as we personally take control/responsibility for our own actions, and try to improve ourselves, only then it can get better. we have to recognise our power and responsibility, how can we expect things to change, others to change, if we don't ourselves. actions speak louder than words, and its best to lead by example not rhetoric, like the elite do.

its hard, and no one is perfect/free from faults etc, and thus everybody should be humble and not full of themselves/arrogant or judgemental.

[phildee3]

A tool and nothing but a tool.



Yes.
A tool for joining again with source.



A murderous one.



As is any tool in a murderer's hands.

[Mo0n5tar]

It's strange that we identify and align ourselves with a stance, whether for or against, this tendency to follow doctrines and dogma immediately divides and places at opposition different interpretations of the universe> discouraging individual perspectives on a shared existence, funnelling expression of consciousness into a narrow pattern of accepted views.

People become so wrapped up in their own version of events they totally neglect the truth in others, if you believe in a Religion thats fine but why believe in just one, haven't al of them got helpful hints and tips on how to live a fruitful life?

[phildee3]

haven't al of them got helpful hints and tips on how to live a fruitful life?



I thought that religion was about how to enjoy a fruitful death.

[2013]

It's strange that we identify and align ourselves with a stance, whether for or against, this tendency to follow doctrines and dogma immediately divides and places at opposition different interpretations of the universe> discouraging individual perspectives on a shared existence, funnelling expression of consciousness into a narrow pattern of accepted views.

People become so wrapped up in their own version of events they totally neglect the truth in others, if you believe in a Religion thats fine but why believe in just one, haven't al of them got helpful hints and tips on how to live a fruitful life?

Well said why must our firends always agree with us its bad enoughwe seem to be heading for a cloned future .Agree to disagree and discuss rather than argue the case , if it works for you fine but dont try and convert unless someone is looking for answers then they need to look within themselves . If you can find peace the nthats an inner thing and not t od with outside factors even if you believe its down to your belief . Do unto others is a good example There are words of wisdom within the pages of established religious texts . :D

[amethyst]

Well said why must our firends always agree with us its bad enoughwe seem to be heading for a cloned future .Agree to disagree and discuss rather than argue the case , if it works for you fine but dont try and convert unless someone is looking for answers then they need to look within themselves . If you can find peace the nthats an inner thing and not t od with outside factors even if you believe its down to your belief . Do unto others is a good example There are words of wisdom within the pages of established religious texts . :D

I agree very much. Agree to disagree and discuss rather than argue.

The problem with "religion" is it divides people, and causes all sorts of wars and hatred and pride.

I said this on the forum before, but we all share something, and that is our humanity and gee, we are all living on planet earth (right now anyway) and so why not try and get along, and try and respect each others differences.....I think we all have a lot more in common than we realise....if we would just take the time to get to know one another and not make pre-judged assumptions we would be a lot further along.

Hatred hurts not only the other person, but also yourself.

[phildee3]

The problem with "religion" is it divides people, and causes all sorts of wars and hatred and pride.



"Religion" does, yes.

But not religion.
How can something that means "to join," divide???

It is politics that divides people; -
religion is used as an excuse.

Islam and Judaism are not at war,
Zionism and Islamism are.

Catholics and protestants (in NI) are not divided,
unionists and nationalists are.

[amethyst]

"Religion" does, yes.

But not religion.
How can something that means "to join," divide???

It is politics that divides people; -
religion is used as an excuse.

Islam and Judaism are not at war,
Zionism and Islamism are.

Catholics and protestants (in NI) are not divided,
unionists and nationalists are.

Ok I see you point and it makes sense.....the "politics" behind the "religion" that causes wars.....but what I was meaning about "religion" is the conformity of it.....that when someone joins a particular "religion" they have to follow suit and be just like everyone else in that particular group.

..pray a certain way or not pray a certain way

...wear certain clothes or don't wear certain clothes.....

...do certain rituals or don't do certain rituals.....

(I'm thinking of that Mormon Cult in Texas for example)

It just appears that if you join a certain religious group, you therefore have to follow all their rules and be just like everyone else, in order to be a part of that religion, and I think this is wrong because we are all individuals.

Why should we be forced into doing something just for the fact that "it's supposed" to be done. Well why? Because those in charge say that it's supposed to be done a certain way?

We have to build a certain "religious" building because the higher ups say this is the way we are "supposed" to do it? it makes it more "special"? I don't think so.

We have to worship a certain way because that's what you are "supposed" to do? because everyone else does it?

I feel that's what is wrong with "religion"....the pressure to conform to a certain way of behavior so that you will be percieved as more "holy" or a better person. I don't agree with this way of thinking. TPTB want us to be this way. Real freedom to worship however you want to isn't supposed to be about being forced to do something a certain way IMO. That's what "religion' represents to me.

If you want to have certain beliefs that's fine......because everyone does...it just shouldn't be forced on anyone.....and that's what tptb want to do, to force their way of thinking, beliefs, and behavior upon people....and this includes all religion.

That's not freedom..IMO...or the freedom to choose.

[phildee3]

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Ok I see you point and it makes sense.....the "politics" behind the "religion" that causes wars.....but what I was meaning about "religion" is the conformity of it.....that when someone joins a particular "religion" they have to follow suit and be just like everyone else in that particular group.



There is that pressure, yes; -
from people who don't understand what true religion is.

The pressure that you're talking about is political,
symbols of tribal identity,
sectarian divisions.

There is, however, with any true religious discipline, the necessity to adopt certain customs because they work in achieving communion with source (eg. the laying on of hands at the various initiations).

All of the things you mention, though, I agree should be matters of individual conscience.
Except, perhaps, the geometric shape of the temple.
There are certain, sacred geometries that assist the angels, when they are invoked, to channel the grace of the sacraments.