McKinnon to be made an Example

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/mckinnon_extradition/

Just in case anyone else is thinking of being disobedient...

[falseflag]

McKinnon is definitely being made an example of. I feel for this guy, he is one of us, simply someone in search of the truth.

[anoninnyc]

yeah, he is really gonna get it. saw a video of him on youtube i think, found the link on this forum somewhere. seems like a nice guy, i just feel so bad for him. yeah he did a foolish and crazy thing, but he isnt harmful and seems like a legitimately good person.

[graflok]

I'm hoping they go easy on him because of the publicity this case has gotten so far (on the web at least).

If they go hard on him now it could generate more attention and suspicion on NASA than they care to have on their secrets and and scams.

graflok

[dondaz]

If any government gives access to sensitive issues via the internet then it is them who have put that infomation at risk, just as if they were to leave documents in their car and someone broke in and stole them.

They have always put secret type stuff in the public domain. It's as if they want people to have a look around their machines, so they can set an example and it keeps their fear mongering going.

There is absolutely no safe place on the internnet. Most of these security experts tell lies, just like the banks, and tell you their security software is safe. It's all bollocks!

I'm not saying what McKinnon did was right, but it was petty in reality. Obviously they are again making a mountain out of a molehill and we should not stand for this against the people of our country.

John Reid is a traiter to scotland and should be in prison for his help in the enslavement of the Scottish people. What is he doing in the Labour party anyway.

New Labour = Communisum!

I hope McKinnon gets a break.

[hagbard_celine]

Latest news on Gary McKinnon:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Calls-grow-to-save-.4643340.jp

Some people on Gary's blog are talking about foring a human shield. Good idea I reckon; if Gary wants that: http://freegary.org.uk/

[dangermouse]

Latest news on Gary McKinnon:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Calls-grow-to-save-.4643340.jp

Some people on Gary's blog are talking about foring a human shield. Good idea I reckon; if Gary wants that: http://freegary.org.uk/

or move to russia .. the russians wouldnt hand him over :P

[hagbard_celine]

or move to russia .. the russians wouldnt hand him over :P


He'd have to wetback the borders, but it would be worth the risk. Illegal crossing of a frontier is nothing comapred to the charges he faces in the US.

[godspeed]

dont go quietly into the night...your a freeman tell them and scotland supports its own...we will hide you forever...in amongst the heather...fuk politicians they dont care or judges they are all in the big club together now...they are all part of the natzi plan....why do you think that they are laughing !!!

[who elsie]

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars. The men they detest most are the ones that try to tell them the truth." HL Mencken.

OK he was a bit naughty, but he was only trying to expose the truth, not start a war. I wish him all the luck in the world.

[biblegirl]

"Mr Burrowes, his MP, is demanding his extradition be halted until his condition has been more carefully assessed. Last night he said: "My concern is also over this extradition treaty where UK citizens are being plucked out of our country without evidence and facing the full force of the American law." [um, all this fuss over something "without evidence"? scary]

The Home Secretary is also facing pressure to ensure Mr McKinnon is at least allowed to return to the UK on bail before the many months that could await him before a trial.

Mr Burrowes pointed out nationals of countries such as Israel and the Netherlands are allowed to serve their sentences at home, and asked why Mr McKinnon has to be sent to America.

A letter from Lord West, the Security Minister, received by Mr Burrowes yesterday showed the government had no plans to stand up to the US authority's demands. "The starting point you will understand, is that the UK has important obligations in the area of extradition. It takes those obligations seriously," Lord West wrote.


Since 2002, hackers have faced up to life in prison if deemed to be acting "maliciously". :eek: [that's a rather broad statement!]

The House of Representatives overwhelming passed the Cyber Security Enhancement Act in that year. [I had never heard of this until today, hmm, something else quite significant passed in the aftermath of 9/11, to combat terrorism, no doubt :rolleyes:]

It also expanded police powers to conduct internet or telephone eavesdropping without first obtaining a court order.[also a pretty big deal :mad:]

[asentinel]

diminished responsibility due to a "condition" to get off. Aspergers may come in handy in the end! That's what they would like, contrition. Very brave guy, and what rubbish is the concept of "damage", damage to the "keeping of lies"??? Wish I had his talents. :D

[drhemp]

Oh how our Government do not care about us that they would happily let an innocent British man rot in a US jail rather than have a backbone and stand up to these US Nazi motherfucking bullyboy bastards.

[sannox]

can the us goverments computers be hacked by software sold openly ?

[rhydra]

Political asylum in Russia seems a good option, as it is more of a political "crime" than anything else. As with the nature of the imprisonment of political prisoners, they are usually held under the pretext of breaking the criminal law, they are then open to torture and rough treatment. The US is famous for rough treatment of prisoners and the denial of even basic healthcare needs.

[jimmi]

A harmless individual, a common man, I've only had information to form my opinion of Gary Mckinnon from the 'net, never mind the rights and wrongs of what he did we should make people aware of what's being done to him, to set an example, we are standing back and letting them get away with handing him over to a country that tortures it's prisoners by the use of waterboarding which is not supposed to be allowed by us is it?

I'm going to try to be a part of Gary McKinnon's shield I think.

[hagbard_celine]

"Mr Burrowes, his MP, is demanding his extradition be halted until his condition has been more carefully assessed. Last night he said: "My concern is also over this extradition treaty where UK citizens are being plucked out of our country without evidence and facing the full force of the American law." [um, all this fuss over something "without evidence"? scary]

The Home Secretary is also facing pressure to ensure Mr McKinnon is at least allowed to return to the UK on bail before the many months that could await him before a trial.

Mr Burrowes pointed out nationals of countries such as Israel and the Netherlands are allowed to serve their sentences at home, and asked why Mr McKinnon has to be sent to America.

A letter from Lord West, the Security Minister, received by Mr Burrowes yesterday showed the government had no plans to stand up to the US authority's demands. "The starting point you will understand, is that the UK has important obligations in the area of extradition. It takes those obligations seriously," Lord West wrote.


Since 2002, hackers have faced up to life in prison if deemed to be acting "maliciously". :eek: [that's a rather broad statement!]

The House of Representatives overwhelming passed the Cyber Security Enhancement Act in that year. [I had never heard of this until today, hmm, something else quite significant passed in the aftermath of 9/11, to combat terrorism, no doubt :rolleyes:]

It also expanded police powers to conduct internet or telephone eavesdropping without first obtaining a court order.[also a pretty big deal :mad:]


Gary's plight has lit up the whole situation we're in like a flash of lightening!:cool::( We see the true colours of the authorities when they're afraid, afraid of what we, the people, might find out about their secrets.

[hagbard_celine]

can the us goverments computers be hacked by software sold openly ?

Well I imagine they've tightened up their security since Gary's coup!:D But in the past it seems anyone with the right skills could get deep inside the DoD computers. It's like that movie War Games. In fact that was the film that inspired Gary.

I suspect that the Pentagon's IT team were chosen more for their unconditional obedience to authority as well as lack of compassion, courage and intelligence, than suitable qualifications of their profession!:D;)

[pdcdp]

is this a valid solution...?

if gary could send off a notice of understanding and intent tomorrow, in order to relinquish his strawman, surely he wouldn't be liable anyway? or at least they would have a bitch of a time trying to prosecute him if he was a freeman on the land?

gotta be worth a try, i would in his situation:D

otherwise, they'll throw the book at him, remember we need to be protected from the internet:rolleyes::mad:

[lookfar]

Just read the BBC News article below about the latest on this. It's not looking good for him, bless:(

Hacker step closer to extradition

Gary McKinnon could face up to 70 years in a US prison
British computer hacker Gary McKinnon has lost the latest round of his battle against extradition to the US.

The Crown Prosecution Service refused to bring charges against him in the UK.

Mr McKinnon, 42, from Wood Green, north London, faces up to 70 years in prison if found guilty in the US of breaking into military computers.

His lawyers appealed for him to be prosecuted in the UK on lesser charges but the CPS has rejected the request made last December.

Glasgow-born Mr McKinnon has always admitted hacking into the computer systems in 2001-2 - which the US government says caused damage costing $800,000 (£550,000).

In total, he hacked into 97 government computers belonging to organisations including the US Navy and Nasa.

Mr McKinnon has always said he had no malicious intent but was looking for classified documents on UFOs which he believed the US authorities had suppressed.

Despite taking his appeal to the House of Lords last year, he lost a six-year legal battle to avoid extradition.

The European Court of Human Rights also declined to back Mr McKinnon's case against extradition.

Last August, he was diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome and his lawyers said Mr McKinnon was at risk of suicide if he were extradited.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7912538.stm

[gilly]

Did anyone here doubt for one minute that the spineless, soulless twats in our judiciary system would sell this boy down the river?

I think we knew all along - but we dared to hope that just this once, we were wrong.

Love and strength to Gary.

[fnulnu]

That poor guy.I think these past years have been enough of a living hell for him.
I can only hold the faint hope the system will crumble before they enact the extradition.They ought to have way more important matters to contend with at that point.

Any one of us could be the next Gary.We could break EU laws we don't even know exist online,and get handed over,for example.

[rhydra]

Maybe those who sell British citizens to foreign states should be made examples of.

[Ian2day]

I wonder if he found out that NASA was involved in the IP theft I have sufferred. He could of found a list of names of people that NASA was bugging. Think I am making it up about NASA bugging people. Ok I came up with the idea for the Nike air trainer back in about 1982. I was lying down on the sofa in the front room of my parents house. I was warching the Tv and thought out loud that it would be a good idea to put bubbles of air into the heels of trainers. When I heard a knock on the open window it was only my next door neighbour called Mr ****** earwigging. He worked for BAA or BA at Heathrow as an aeronautical engineer. Well his daughter was married to an engineer from NASA. Yes you guessed correct the engineer who has the patent for nike air trainers in his name. But of course everything I say is bullshit about my IP being nicked for all of my life. So did Gary uncover a list of names of people being bugged by NASA or something? Did he discover secrets about the Reptillians and other ET's living amoung us.

[the nine]

well then, I hope he teaches 'expert' hacking to all the inmates for when they get out..that would learn 'em!

they should have flew him out to the U.S. and A. put him up in a top 5star hotel then paid him to show his technique, and to try new sytems security measure.. fucking arseholes!

arrogance is an easy act for the idiot!

[the nine]

I wonder if he found out that NASA was involved in the IP theft I have sufferred. He could of found a list of names of people that NASA was bugging. Think I am making it up about NASA bugging people. Ok I came up with the idea for the Nike air trainer back in about 1982. I was lying down on the sofa in the front room of my parents house. I was warching the Tv and thought out loud that it would be a good idea to put bubbles of air into the heels of trainers. When I heard a knock on the open window it was only my next door neighbour called Mr ****** earwigging. He worked for BAA or BA at Heathrow as an aeronautical engineer. Well his daughter was married to an engineer from NASA. Yes you guessed correct the engineer who has the patent for nike air trainers in his name. But of course everything I say is bullshit about my IP being nicked for all of my life. So did Gary uncover a list of names of people being bugged by NASA or something? Did he discover secrets about the Reptillians and other ET's living amoung us.

honest?

[Ian2day]

honest?

Yes its the truth. The only other explanation is that someone else with the same name also worked at Nasa and married the daughter of my neighbour Mr ******. Or my memory is partly fake. Why would someone make my head have that as a false memory though.

[Ian2day]

Also my friend from school Mark was the person to do the 7up stickman doodle. I must of had one of the doodles in my bedroom and it was nicked by my brothers friend Julian or the music teacher Mr P******* who would come to our family home and steal my poems from my bedroom. Yeah my old music teacher use to go into my bedroom. He was trusted for a while to be left in the house with us as he was a school teacher and said that my (some misdiection here) brother was a gifted musician. Music teachers are the biggest crooks going. But no one least of all the police want to know as they are in on it as well!!! Oh there is also the time that I was in a subway climbing the walls with my friends Jason and Rajesh when all of a sudden some french blokes start asking us what we are doing. I called it 'going your own way' or 'freerunning'. I am not making this up. I really am not making it up.

[gilly]

Yes, I think they're terrified at what he has seen getting into the open.

Will they get away with his trial being secret, for security reasons, or will it be public does anyone know?

[alfrmo]

This is typical of our spineless Government, and we can be sure there is no way Gary will get justice in the US. This is about "Retribution", I for one am very interested in what Gary saw, as what usually happens is characters who manage to hack into high-tech security systems are usually "bought off" by the owners of such systems. Many fraudsters in prison who manage to hack into banks and building societies are offered employment by the very same institutions upon release, to work in their Security Departments! I kid you not!
We must do all we can to highlight this vengeful act by the US, and highlight the fact Gary ultimately did the US a favour by highlighting their inept security systems!

[sithnemesis]

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/images/2007/04/14/mckinnontrafalgarsquare.jpg http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/images/2007/04/14/mckinnontrafalgarsquare.jpg
http://accel10.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/1/16/74/29//mckinnon-bush.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/images/274481/0_61_mckinnon_court_date.jpg

BE STRONG GARY

[hagbard_celine]

I've heard from David Griffin of ExopoliticsUK.com that Gary should be awarded a trial in the UK. Let's pray that they throw the case out of court with the contempt it deserves!:mad: It's not all over yet. All the best, Gary!

[gilly]

I've heard from David Griffin of ExopoliticsUK.com that Gary should be awarded a trial in the UK. Let's pray that they throw the case out of court with the contempt it deserves!:mad: It's not all over yet. All the best, Gary!

That's really good news Hagbard, but how is it possible, now that his last appeal against extradition was rejected?

[hagbard_celine]

That's really good news Hagbard, but how is it possible, now that his last appeal against extradition was rejected?

From what I can tell things are looking up a bit for him since then. We can only keepm our fingers crossed.:cool:

[fnulnu]

From what I can tell things are looking up a bit for him since then. We can only keepm our fingers crossed.:cool:

So,there is hope afterall? That's heartening to hear.Hopefully,a U.K court will throw it out,but if it's trial by jury in the U.K he'll be laughing if he got us on the jury panel...it could happen,you never know :)

[magickman]

Scots computer hacker Gary McKinnon loses latest US extradition battle

http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/web/Upload/TS//TH1_262200923hacker.jpg
McKinnon is accused of sabotaging American military systems

Published Date: 26 February 2009
SCOTTISH computer hacker Gary McKinnon lost the latest round of his fight against extradition to the US today when British prosecutors refused to bring charges against him.
Glasgow-born McKinnon, 42, from Wood Green, north London, is accused of sabotaging vital American military systems after the terror attacks of September 11 2001.

His lawyers appealed for him to be prosecuted in Britain on lesser charges, but the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) rejected their request today.

Mr McKinnon insists he was only looking for evidence of UFOs when he hacked into a series of US military networks in 2001 and 2002.

He has signed a statement accepting that his hacking constituted an offence under the UK's Computer Misuse Act 1990.

His supporters say he acted through "naivety" as a result of suffering from Asperger's Syndrome – a form of autism – and should not be considered a criminal.

But the US military alleges that he caused 800,000 dollars (£550,000) worth of damage and left 300 computers at a US Navy weapons station unusable immediately after the September 11 atrocities.

Mr McKinnon's legal team hoped to avoid his extradition by having him prosecuted in the UK, and made a formal request for this to director of public prosecutions Keir Starmer in December.

The CPS said today it found enough evidence to bring charges against the hacker under the Computer Misuse Act for obtaining "unauthorised access with intent".


Glasgow-born Mr McKinnon is accused by the US of "the biggest military computer hack of all time".

He allegedly hacked into 53 US Army computers and 26 US Navy computers, including those at US Naval Weapons Station Earle in New Jersey, which is responsible for replenishing munitions and supplies for the Atlantic fleet.

He is also accused of hacking into 16 Nasa computers, one US Department of Defence computer and one machine belonging to the US Air Force.

Mr McKinnon was caught in 2002 as he tried to download a grainy black and white photograph which he believed was an alien spacecraft from a Nasa computer housed in the Johnson Space Centre in Houston, Texas.
He was easily traced by the authorities because he used his own email address.

Today's decision by the CPS will not end Mr McKinnon's legal battle against being sent to America to face trial.
http://gary-mckinnon-news.newslib.com/story/8381-127/

All along the claim has been he hacked into NASA computers that had backdoors left open without proper passwords.

He claimed to have seen a list of 'non-terrestrial officers' and a list of ship names NOT in the oceans. Now they say this:
But the US military alleges that he caused 800,000 dollars (£550,000) worth of damage and left 300 computers at a US Navy weapons station unusable immediately after the September 11 atrocities.
I have always thought there was a lot more to this story than is being told. You cannot do this kind of "damage" to a system just by reading files, this is an attempt at a coverup, I will wager. I hope he tells all that he has read, and it's entered into record.

[gilly]

Scots computer hacker Gary McKinnon loses latest US extradition battle



http://gary-mckinnon-news.newslib.com/story/8381-127/

All along the claim has been he hacked into NASA computers that had backdoors left open without proper passwords.

He claimed to have seen a list of 'non-terrestrial officers' and a list of ship names NOT in the oceans. Now they say this:

I have always thought there was a lot more to this story than is being told. You cannot do this kind of "damage" to a system just by reading files, this is an attempt at a coverup, I will wager. I hope he tells all that he has read, and it's entered into record.

The particular value of damage they claimed he'd caused, just happened to be the exact minimum value damage that can be punishable by the particularly harsh prison sentences threatened.

In a proper court hearing though, they must surely be forced to prove the precise nature of that (non-existent) dameage, I'd have thought.

[apekteina lordosis]

The particular value of damage they claimed he'd caused, just happened to be the exact minimum value damage that can be punishable by the particularly harsh prison sentences threatened.

In a proper court hearing though, they must surely be forced to prove the precise nature of that (non-existent) dameage, I'd have thought.

i was wondering if the "damages" are in fact the cost of having to instruct all their staff to change their passwords from the default and perhaps also getting inspectors to go around physically checking people had done so.

will be interesting to see if there is a response from the hacker community if he gets extradited...

[hagbard_celine]

I have always thought there was a lot more to this story than is being told. You cannot do this kind of "damage" to a system just by reading files, this is an attempt at a coverup, I will wager. I hope he tells all that he has read, and it's entered into record.

It definitely sounds like a cover-up. I had a debate with someone on another forum who couldn't seem to see anything suspicious about the charges laid at Gary's feet.:rolleyes: It's odd that he caused "damage" to each system that had the exact same costs!:confused: What's more, as I said above, they want to make an example of Gary and warn any of the rest of us from trying hacking.

As they say, it's not over yet. Good luck, Gary.:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

i was wondering if the "damages" are in fact the cost of having to instruct all their staff to change their passwords from the default and perhaps also getting inspectors to go around physically checking people had done so.

will be interesting to see if there is a response from the hacker community if he gets extradited...

If anything the US govt should be grateful that Gary revealed how incompetant their IT team are. Mind you I doubt if they were given the job for their proficiency, above their willingness to keep secrets. Maybe they should give Gary a job to train them!:cool: