are we bieng watched, or are we paranoid?

[whitenight639]

How many of you feel like every post on here and all your internet use is bieng watched? i certainly do, i read about all the technolgy they have and could be using right now but i used to think there not using it on me.. but how would i know? we know they can be watching all internet use and be tracking my mobile phone and car, could even be watched by satalite and or infared cameras that can see though walls? but how much of this is paranioyer and how would i find out unles one day i post somthing wrong on here and get thrown in a van or my family ends up in the morgue?

so what do you guys think? you feel like your bieng watched?

[tinmenace]

Sure we're being watched! That's good though because that means they're worried.

I want them to be worried, because their time is up, and things are going to start changing very soon.

So, look all you like dearies, because change is coming. I know it and you know it too ;)

[whitenight639]

ok then heres a question, if you were aproached and asked to keep quiet and keep ur head down for $1,000,000. what would u say?

[truthsupplier]

"If you`re not paranoid, you aren`t paying attention"... a quote from another "community" I am affiliated with.

[timestop24]

I know definitely Im being watched. I try to use a proxy for online use, but it just slows my comp down too much. Still, I really don't care at this point if they're watching.

[tinmenace]

ok then heres a question, if you were aproached and asked to keep quiet and keep ur head down for $1,000,000. what would u say?

No way dude! One thing I'm not, is impressed by money or wealth. I would never ever ever keep the truth quiet for money that doesn't even exist!

How about you?

[whitenight639]

How about you?[/B][/COLOR]

I dunno, it seems though the illuminatti are unstoppable without bringing it down from the inside, or a mass awakening. but im fed up of living the way im living. dont get me wrong i dont want to see anyone enslaved, for all there evils there would still be evils and the world would be a more kayotic place if they wernt in power (well for a few decades/ generations atleast, but atleast we would be free). but in this current system of capitalism money can and does make you happy! money is a voucher for opportunities (today i can hmm go jet sking or sky diving or sailing ect). So i guess the answer is yes, unless there was an outlook that there will be a mass awakening soon and it would go back to old days when we barterd ect as i have skills which would make me respected and wealthy (in a much smaller community sence) in my area.

[tinmenace]

make me respected and wealthy

So that's what it boils down to for you, eh? Each to their own, I suppose. You're entitled to whatever reality makes you happy, even if it's a complete delusion.

For me, your true worth is who and what you are AFTER being stripped of wealth. There you are with nothing but the skin you were born with. What makes you special then?

Will people still respect you when you have nothing? Or, is money the vehicle with which you will buy respect?

[whitenight639]

Will people still respect you when you have nothing? Or, is money the vehicle with which you will buy respect?[/B][/COLOR]

i have nothing now and people respect me. well i dont have nothing in the true 3rd world kinda way. but i dont know many homeless people with big social circles so it may sound egotistical of me but i quess that is what it boils down to, survival of the fittest- i am still yet to raise kids into this world and when i do i want tho be able to provide for them proerly.

also do you know why oneofmany got banned? he was a good poster.

[whitenight639]

So that's what it boils down to for you, eh? Each to their own, I suppose. You're entitled to whatever reality makes you happy, even if it's a complete delusion.

For me, your true worth is who and what you are AFTER being stripped of wealth. There you are with nothing but the skin you were born with. What makes you special then?


I guess im yet to be properly enlightened but this is a material world for the most part anyway. But just because i have wealth or not dosnt mean my soul changes, ill still like the same things/ people, i have a bigger house im doomed? lol nah i kinda know what you mean i know who i am in essence and money wouldnt change that, only thing it would change is my 0-60 :)

[ho1ogram]

are we bieng watched, or are we paranoid?
G'day mate,
I honestley don't care anymore. There are too many people to watch all the time. Anyway, they might learn something.
Paranoia? You'll break through that eventually, it's another trick of the mind, the predator of man that has us worried about our existence.
Life is experience, that is all. Paranois is just a feeling, an experience, like guilt, shame, hjappines, joy, heartache, depression, exctacy etc.

Infinite possibility... hold that thought, make it the basis of your life and the true meaning of infinity wil dawn upon you. Infinite potential.

I dunno, it seems though the illuminatti are unstoppable without bringing it down from the inside, or a mass awakening. but im fed up of living the way im living. dont get me wrong i dont want to see anyone enslaved, for all there evils there would still be evils and the world would be a more kayotic place if they wernt in power (well for a few decades/ generations atleast, but atleast we would be free). but in this current system of capitalism money can and does make you happy! money is a voucher for opportunities (today i can hmm go jet sking or sky diving or sailing ect). So i guess the answer is yes, unless there was an outlook that there will be a mass awakening soon and it would go back to old days when we barterd ect as i have skills which would make me respected and wealthy (in a much smaller community sence) in my area.

You are the Illuminati. They exist because we willingly gave up our power. Redefine yourself as someone who is infinite, an aspect of all that is, rather than a pawn in a global game between good and evil. You are the good and evil because you are everything that has ever existed and ever will exist, it is built into your dna. You are created from the Creator... it's a hologram, you are an aspect of the whole and you cantain the whole within you.. a holographic universe is our canvas of experience. You cannot lose because there is nothing to lose. You are ALL THAT IS, WAS AND EVER SHALL BE. You will remember when you want to. You will one day be sick and tired of being sick and tired.

The past is gone, the future is not here, this moment is all that there is...INFINITY. You can wait for an awakening if you want to. Or you can choose to awaken now. The process seems slow because of our conditioning. You are creating your reality out of the quantum flux, the more you become aware the quicker you will see your reality manifest from the ideas you hold about yuourself and the world around you.
Love
h

[bigus_dickus]

nice post ho1ogram!

people, don't forget. even the watchers are being watched. why let anyone make you create what you don't want?

[ho1ogram]

nice post ho1ogram!

people, don't forget. even the watchers are being watched. why let anyone make you create what you don't want?
Thank you b_d.
We are watching the watchers, that's what this forum, others like it, Icke's work etc, is all about.
Love, h.

[earthseed]

I think in reality you have always been watched throughout your whole time in this matrix reality. If you are going to do something to distrub it or unravel it through being awake you are going to be tracked from life to life. So the tech spying is small compared to the higher level of tracking going on.

[ho1ogram]

So the tech spying is small compared to the higher level of tracking going on.
Which is small compared to infinity.
;)

[tinmenace]

also do you know why oneofmany got banned? he was a good poster.

He became abusive toward moderators and others.

[lookfar]

G'day mate,
I honestley don't care anymore. There are too many people to watch all the time. Anyway, they might learn something.
Paranoia? You'll break through that eventually, it's another trick of the mind, the predator of man that has us worried about our existence.
Life is experience, that is all. Paranois is just a feeling, an experience, like guilt, shame, hjappines, joy, heartache, depression, exctacy etc.

Infinite possibility... hold that thought, make it the basis of your life and the true meaning of infinity wil dawn upon you. Infinite potential.

You are the Illuminati. They exist because we willingly gave up our power. Redefine yourself as someone who is infinite, an aspect of all that is, rather than a pawn in a global game between good and evil. You are the good and evil because you are everything that has ever existed and ever will exist, it is built into your dna. You are created from the Creator... it's a hologram, you are an aspect of the whole and you cantain the whole within you.. a holographic universe is our canvas of experience. You cannot lose because there is nothing to lose. You are ALL THAT IS, WAS AND EVER SHALL BE. You will remember when you want to. You will one day be sick and tired of being sick and tired.

The past is gone, the future is not here, this moment is all that there is...INFINITY. You can wait for an awakening if you want to. Or you can choose to awaken now. The process seems slow because of our conditioning. You are creating your reality out of the quantum flux, the more you become aware the quicker you will see your reality manifest from the ideas you hold about yuourself and the world around you.
Love
h

Great post there h, spot on :)

[jinjo5]

So that's what it boils down to for you, eh? Each to their own, I suppose. You're entitled to whatever reality makes you happy, even if it's a complete delusion.

For me, your true worth is who and what you are AFTER being stripped of wealth. There you are with nothing but the skin you were born with. What makes you special then?

Will people still respect you when you have nothing? Or, is money the vehicle with which you will buy respect?
My electricity bill needs paying tin;...delusion or illusion,it still needs paying.
Ive tried paying with fresh air,but they wouldnt accept it.:eek: ;)
Anybody would be tempted with a million pound,dont care who they are.:)

[tinmenace]

My electricity bill needs paying tin;...delusion or illusion,it still needs paying.
Ive tried paying with fresh air,but they wouldnt accept it.:eek: ;)
Anybody would be tempted with a million pound,dont care who they are.:)

Doesn't take a million to pay your light bill. So, what you're saying is you'd sell out mankind to pay your light bill.

Like I pointed out earlier...to each their own. ;)

[rossus]

there's an energy to this paranoism: fear
it can get to the point you never feel safe or at rest, anywhere.

i used to have this in the form of social anxiety, thought everyone was watching me.
and my friend has this in the form that you described, government/secret organisations spying... not only in the physical world but also the spiritual world.


it is like a contagious disease, if you get too close you get it yourself.

[tinmenace]

there's an energy to this paranoism: fear
it can get to the point you never feel safe or at rest, anywhere.

i used to have this in the form of social anxiety, thought everyone was watching me.
and my friend has this in the form that you described, government/secret organisations spying... not only in the physical world but also the spiritual world.

two different forms, but the same problem i think.

it is like a contagious disease, if you get too close you get it yourself.

Right, you have to walk away from the fear to be truly free.

[jinjo5]

Doesn't take a million to pay your light bill. So, what you're saying is you'd sell out mankind to pay your light bill.

Like I pointed out earlier...to each their own. ;)
No,it doesnt.still cant pay it though.think you missed my point a bit there tin;
would i rather sell out mankind?
Thats all very high-minded tin;.
but the reality is.(please dont try and tell me what reallity is).bills need paying,kids need feeding..........what comes first do you think?
Humanity or the immediate problem of keeping your head above water.
You cant keep saying this is an illusion,thats an illusion.
you have to keep things real.
Although there is very,very strong evidence on this site,you still have to keep things in perspective.
A lot of things on this site are mere speculation.:)

[friendsinthesky]

I don't think this forum is been watched and yet threads get chopped to pieces all the time.


P.S Where's that $1mil cheque!

[tinmenace]

No,it doesnt.still cant pay it though.think you missed my point a bit there tin;
would i rather sell out mankind?
Thats all very high-minded tin;.
but the reality is.(please dont try and tell me what reallity is).bills need paying,kids need feeding..........what comes first do you think?
Humanity or the immediate problem of keeping your head above water.
You cant keep saying this is an illusion,thats an illusion.
you have to keep things real.
Although there is very,very strong evidence on this site,you still have to keep things in perspective.
A lot of things on this site are mere speculation.:)

And that's your perspective on it, to which you're entitled. You're right, I don't know anything about you or your situation, and I fully realize that we all have different realities.

At the same time, you have no idea why I feel so strongly about it. Judging from your post, I'd have to say that you haven't read any of David's books. Am I right?

I think I've said it every time...to each their own.

[jinjo5]

I don't think this forum is been watched and yet threads get chopped to pieces all the time.


P.S Where's that $1mil cheque!
Its in the post.;)
but seeing as everything is an illusion,dont think youll get it friend!;) :)

[friendsinthesky]

Its in the post.;)
but seeing as everything is an illusion,dont think youll get it friend!;) :)

I'll just pretend it's a real illusion.;)

[tinmenace]

I'll just pretend it's a real illusion.;)

:p Just like Einstein said: "Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one."

[jinjo5]

And that's your perspective on it, to which you're entitled. You're right, I don't know anything about you or your situation, and I fully realize that we all have different realities.

At the same time, you have no idea why I feel so strongly about it. Judging from your post, I'd have to say that you haven't read any of David's books. Am I right?

I think I've said it every time...to each their own.
Yes,tin.
ive read three of david's books and others.
ive been interested in anything strange n weird since i was around 6,7,8 yrs old.Ufo's and the rest.
Also,it just isnt about david's books.
i respect what youre saying tin;but still feel youre missing the point.
i dont know your situation too,but i think youre talking a rather lofty viewpoint.
youll fall of that pedestal,ya know,if youre not careful.;)
has you say, each to their own.
i think we'll leave it at that tin;
even though i think your replies were a little high brow.....im only 46..i dont know anything,do i?;) :)

[friendsinthesky]

:p Just like Einstein said: "Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one."

Why the "poke out ya tongue emoticon".. would you like to explain your post to me? :)

[tinmenace]

I don't really understand what you mean with "lofty" and "high brow".

[jinjo5]

I'll just pretend it's a real illusion.;)
yeah,go and spend it in all those pretend shops.
have you ever bought a pretend telly?
the programs are rubbish on it.:rolleyes:

[friendsinthesky]

yeah,go and spend it in all those pretend shops.
have you ever bought a pretend telly?
the programs are rubbish on it.:rolleyes:

..and those pretend strippers:eek: NOTTT!

..and a pretend motorhome to go bush, sit back and stare at the pretend stars,nightly.

..make pretend love, nightly under the pretend stars etc ..etc...:D

[tinmenace]

Why the "poke out ya tongue emoticon".. would you like to explain your post to me? :)

No, it's a laughing emoticon. Isn't it? It looks like it's laughing really hard.

[friendsinthesky]

a:p Just like Einstein said: "Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one."

[21_12_2012]

but the reality is.(please dont try and tell me what reallity is).bills need paying,kids need feeding..........what comes first do you think?

Exactly !
Whether or not we see (and believe) this reality to be an illusion, regardless, we are still bound by the rules of this 'illusion' by way of concensus reality.

We cannot 'manifest' money (energy), even though some people say they can 'manifest' enough money for thier survival and their families...try telling that to the millions of starving people and children.

It's all well and good saying "we all have the power to manifest what we believe" and "life is an illusion that we can actually change"...i have yet to see evidence of this...

I have tried my hardest for a long time to believe this is a 'changeable illusion'..and that i can 'manifest' whatever i need or want...and it hasn't happened for me anyway...i still try and believe it...and i still try the so-called methods given by 'experts' on the subject..and the people who created 'the secret' video (which i have now watched 8 times..and still nothing changes.

Concensus reality will always prevent us from individually achieving the so-called goals of manifesting our dreams.

Example..if i wanted to levitate and fly, or walk through solid buildings, or manifest 1000's of pounds for myself..no matter how much i believe i can do this..and how much i realise it's an illusion which i can achieve these things within.....it ISN'T going to happen...not while we live in this 3d 'matrix' of an illusion.

You cant keep saying this is an illusion,thats an illusion.
you have to keep things real.
Although there is very,very strong evidence on this site,you still have to keep things in perspective.
A lot of things on this site are mere speculation.:)

My thoughts exactly. And keeping it real means we are stuck within the rules of 'reality'....the 'life is just an illusion' thing is wishful thinking at this stage of 'the game'

Livings need to be earned. This, in my opinion would still be the case even if every person in the world realised that 'life is an illusion' and we have control.....It wouldn't change until the matrix itself changes...which in my opinion is after 2012.

[jinjo5]

I don't really understand what you mean with "lofty" and "high brow".
you seem to be,i may be wrong,as though my opinion is somehow wrong.
your replies seemed to have a self-righteous tone to them and just cos i put my immediate problems first,that somehow isnt acceptable to you.it dosent mean i dont care about humanity,does it?
There is no way tin; im gunna worry my self silly about what may or not happen in the future when i have more pressing matters,just surviving on a day to day basis.:)

[jinjo5]

Exactly !
Whether or not we see (and believe) this reality to be an illusion, regardless, we are still bound by the rules of this 'illusion' by way of concensus reality.

We cannot 'manifest' money (energy), even though some people say they can 'manifest' enough money for thier survival and their families...try telling that to the millions of starving people and children.

It's all well and good saying "we all have the power to manifest what we believe" and "life is an illusion that we can actually change"...i have yet to see evidence of this...i have tried my hardest for a long time to believe this is a 'changeable illusion'..and that i can 'manifest' whatever i need or want...and it hasn't happened for me anyway...i still try and believe it...and i still try the so-called methods give nby 'experts' on the subject..and the people who created 'the secret' video (which i have now watched 8 times'..and still nothing changes.

Concensus reality will always prevent us from individually achieving the so-called goals of manifesting our dreams.

Example..if i wanted to levitate and fly, or walk through solid buildings, or manifest 1000's of pounds for myself..no matter how much i believe i can do this..and how much i realise it's an illusion which i can achieve these thigs within.....it ISN'T going to happen...not while we live in this 3d 'matrix' of an illusion.



My thoughts exactly. And keeping it real means we are stuck within the rules of 'reality'....the 'life is just an illusion' thing is wishful thinking at this stage of 'the game'

Livings need to be earned. This, in my opinion would still be the case even if every person in the world realised that 'life is an illusion' and we have control.
It wouldn't change until the matrix itself changes...which in my opinion is after 2012.
At last,somebody with their feet on the ground.
Nice reply mate.:) :)

[tinmenace]

you seem to be,i may be wrong,as though my opinion is somehow wrong.
your replies seemed to have a self-righteous tone to them and just cos i put my immediate problems first,that somehow isnt acceptable to you.it dosent mean i dont care about humanity,does it?
There is no way tin; im gunna worry my self silly about what may or not happen in the future when i have more pressing matters,just surviving on a day to day basis.:)

You know what's right for you. I know what's right for me.

You may have taken my initial "sell out mankind" out of context. I thought that the discussion was a continuation from what whiteknight and I were discussing. If you meant something different, I didn't understand it that way. Sorry.

Yeah, look, you have to do what's right for you. I was just stating my opinion, based on an earlier question which I thought we were all discussing openly. I'm not passing judgment, I was simply giving my opinion, which I'm entitled to, and I think that the topic got lost in translation.

[jinjo5]

You know what's right for you. I know what's right for me.

You may have taken my initial "sell out mankind" out of context. I thought that the discussion was a continuation from what whiteknight and I were discussing. If you meant something different, I didn't understand it that way. Sorry.

Yeah, look, you have to do what's right for you. I was just stating my opinion, based on an earlier question which I thought we were all discussing openly. I'm not passing judgment, I was simply giving my opinion, which I'm entitled to, and I think that the topic got lost in translation.
OK tin;..no problems.
ive just noticed where youre from:eek:
everything must seem rosey when you have permanent sunshine.;)
you lucky thing.
its sunny in the uk at the moment,but it wont last.lol.:(

[21_12_2012]

At last,somebody with their feet on the ground.
Nice reply mate.:) :)

Cheers.

I think more people on here need to look at life as being 'real' with 'rules we cannot escape from'....because...after all...we all have to live in this 'matrix' and we all are bound by it's rules....for the time being anyway.

As for whether this forum is being watched..and am i paranoid...

I do suspect it is being watched....but personally i am not paranoid.

[john white]

Exactly !
Whether or not we see (and believe) this reality to be an illusion, regardless, we are still bound by the rules of this 'illusion' by way of concensus reality.

We cannot 'manifest' money (energy), even though some people say they can 'manifest' enough money for thier survival and their families...try telling that to the millions of starving people and children.

It's all well and good saying "we all have the power to manifest what we believe" and "life is an illusion that we can actually change"...i have yet to see evidence of this...

I have tried my hardest for a long time to believe this is a 'changeable illusion'..and that i can 'manifest' whatever i need or want...and it hasn't happened for me anyway...i still try and believe it...and i still try the so-called methods given by 'experts' on the subject..and the people who created 'the secret' video (which i have now watched 8 times..and still nothing changes.

Concensus reality will always prevent us from individually achieving the so-called goals of manifesting our dreams.

Example..if i wanted to levitate and fly, or walk through solid buildings, or manifest 1000's of pounds for myself..no matter how much i believe i can do this..and how much i realise it's an illusion which i can achieve these things within.....it ISN'T going to happen...not while we live in this 3d 'matrix' of an illusion.



My thoughts exactly. And keeping it real means we are stuck within the rules of 'reality'....the 'life is just an illusion' thing is wishful thinking at this stage of 'the game'

Livings need to be earned. This, in my opinion would still be the case even if every person in the world realised that 'life is an illusion' and we have control.....It wouldn't change until the matrix itself changes...which in my opinion is after 2012.

Feet on the ground... from one perspective

Self persuasion dismissing possibility on the basis of superficial understanding... from another

Meanwhile, everyone on this site has gone beyond others perception of what "feet on the ground" means in so many ways just to have the desire to visit here

What is money anyway?

And what is wealth?

Are they the same?

[jinjo5]

Feet on the ground... from one perspective

Self persuasion dismissing possibility on the basis of superficial understanding... from another

Meanwhile, everyone on this site has gone beyond others perception of what "feet on the ground" means in so many ways just to have the desire to visit here

What is money anyway?

And what is wealth?

Are they the same?
Take it a step further....What is anything?
you still cant spend every waking minute thinking about it,you'd go mental.
we have to keep our feet on the ground to survive from day to day.
Common sense too plays a big part.:)

[21_12_2012]

Feet on the ground... from one perspective

Self persuasion dismissing possibility on the basis of superficial understanding... from another

Have you levitated recently?....Walked through any solid walls?....Manifested a few grand out of thin air?



Meanwhile, everyone on this site has gone beyond others perception of what "feet on the ground" means in so many ways just to have the desire to visit here

But, have they walked through walls yet? Manifested anything whatsoever that could prove the point of 'life being a changeable illusion' ?

Not really to my knowledge yet anyway.

What is money anyway?

It's what keeps us living and breathing in this 'matrix with rules' that we are all stuck in.

And what is wealth?

It's what most of us want..abundance in our material, emotional and mental lives. It doesn't make us good or bad, it's a healthy desire by all people 'stuck in this matrix'

Are they the same?

No

[jinjo5]

..and those pretend strippers:eek: NOTTT!

..and a pretend motorhome to go bush, sit back and stare at the pretend stars,nightly.

..make pretend love, nightly under the pretend stars etc ..etc...:D
Hey,ive tried that pretend love..........you can last forever:eek: :eek: ...sorry.:D

[garth]

Hi 21_12_2012,

Exactly !
Whether or not we see (and believe) this reality to be an illusion, regardless, we are still bound by the rules of this 'illusion' by way of concensus reality.


Yes, but the rules of concensus reality are not fixed, they are fluent and greatly dependant on the masses accepting new concepts as fact, believing them and forcing a change to consesus reality..example - The consesus reality was that the world was flat, anyone who differed from that opinion was mocked, until it was proved to be round, then the consensus reality the changed. Point being that if enough people believe (100 monkey syndrome) then consensus reality changes


We cannot 'manifest' money (energy), even though some people say they can 'manifest' enough money for thier survival and their families...try telling that to the millions of starving people and children.

It's all well and good saying "we all have the power to manifest what we believe" and "life is an illusion that we can actually change"...i have yet to see evidence of this...

I have tried my hardest for a long time to believe this is a 'changeable illusion'..and that i can 'manifest' whatever i need or want...and it hasn't happened for me anyway...i still try and believe it...and i still try the so-called methods given by 'experts' on the subject..and the people who created 'the secret' video (which i have now watched 8 times..and still nothing changes.


I certainly beg to differ, I have personal proof that it works, and continues to work for me. I won't say that it has been easy, in fact I have had to work quite hard at the beginning, but it does work and work well.


Concensus reality will always prevent us from individually achieving the so-called goals of manifesting our dreams.

Example..if i wanted to levitate and fly, or walk through solid buildings, or manifest 1000's of pounds for myself..no matter how much i believe i can do this..and how much i realise it's an illusion which i can achieve these things within.....it ISN'T going to happen...not while we live in this 3d 'matrix' of an illusion.


Consensus relaity creates the rules for the illusion (as you stated above) consensus reality for example gives money it value i.e. if no one believed money had any worth, we would use it to light the fire, its only because everyone believes it has value, that it does.

Your individual beliefs will limit you to not being able to achieve your goals.

Levitation is possible (has been documented as happening), flying - not that I know of, doesn't mean it's not possible, just a pretty large jump for most people on this rock at the mo. Walk through walls, it can be done etherically (remote viewing) so maybe no need to physically do it when you can see it all without moving;)

The results of LOA, the secret, quantum physics and all that stuff is pretty piss weak without the belief, the knowing deep inside you that it can be done, unfortunatley most "manifesting" material tends to miss this point. You have to know it is possible just like you know that oneday you will leave this illusion (death) it has to come from the same place. Hope this makes sense :D

[21_12_2012]

Yes, but the rules of concensus reality are not fixed, they are fluent and greatly dependant on the masses accepting new concepts as fact, believing them and forcing a change to consesus reality..example - The consesus reality was that the world was flat, anyone who differed from that opinion was mocked, until it was proved to be round, then the consensus reality the changed. Point being that if enough people believe (100 monkey syndrome) then consensus reality changes

I do know what you're trying to say, but, what i do not accept is....if a 'great deal' of the population believed that walking through solid objects using their physical body is possible...or levitating and flying through the air to anywhere we want is possible...or manifesting huge amounts of money, or making things appear in front of their eyes etc....if the population believed this, would it be possible?

Nobody can say for sure if it would be...but if it is possible, that means that the complete laws of gravity would change and people would be able to defy gravity and fly anywhere...and walk through apparently solid objects...to me this would not happen due to the basic fundamental nature of the matrix program we live within (ie gravity is a fixed rule that cannot change no matter how many people believe it can)

I certainly beg to differ, I have personal proof that it works, and continues to work for me. I won't say that it has been easy, in fact I have had to work quite hard at the beginning, but it does work and work well.

You may have your proof that it works, but who is to say that your proof isn't just coincidence?
Coincidence does exist regardless of whether people say there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Example..i could be thinking how much i want one of my friends to call me up, then i get a phonecall off someone...that's coincidence.
Or if i sit at home wishing some money would come my way, and i get a tax rebate...does that mean the rebate came because i wished for some money? No..it was coming anyway..coincidence.

Consensus relaity creates the rules for the illusion (as you stated above) consensus reality for example gives money it value i.e. if no one believed money had any worth, we would use it to light the fire, its only because everyone believes it has value, that it does.

I have to disagree there, because money is actually the earths 'value system', at least it's main one anyway. If people stopped believing money was worth anything, it would still be the earth's main value/purchasing system.

Your individual beliefs will limit you to not being able to achieve your goals.

Why? It doesn't stop me from achieving goals that are 'reasonable' and actually can be achieved within this 'matrix'

I am a very open minded person indeed, even to the extent of believing fully in shapeshifting reptilians ruling the earth, but when it comes to changing fixed rules in this matrix, i look at that from a 'realistic' point of view...namely that these rules are fixed, and no amount of belief or concensus belief change can alter these rules.

I would love to see proof, that is one of my main goals in life...to finally see proof of the law of attraction, and how to change reality...but...until now i have seen none...and i have tried and tried, and believed and believed on many levels...changed my thoughts and feelings about things...and still nothing.

Levitation is possible (has been documented as happening)

I would like to believe it, but have yet to see it..why do these people not come on TV, or appear in 'freak shows' and stuff?

flying - not that I know of, doesn't mean it's not possible, just a pretty large jump for most people on this rock at the mo.

I would have thought that if anything is possible, someone would have demonstrated this by now...just think of the cash they would make being the 'world's first flying human" !

Walk through walls, it can be done etherically (remote viewing) so maybe no need to physically do it when you can see it all without moving;)

But, if anything's possible, why hasn't somebody..anybody...demonstrated this physically?

The results of LOA, the secret, quantum physics and all that stuff is pretty piss weak without the belief, the knowing deep inside you that it can be done, unfortunatley most "manifesting" material tends to miss this point. You have to know it is possible just like you know that oneday you will leave this illusion (death) it has to come from the same place. Hope this makes sense :D

You do make perfect sense, and thanks for the post...i have watched the secret 8 times, and i do know how it is 'supposed to work' based on the 'knowing' and changing thoughts and feelings on many different levels, but, so far, it hasn't worked for me..maybe it will one day.

I would love nothing better actually. I don't want to come across as some kind of killjoy, i just look at this subject very 'realistically'...but..then again..what is reality?!

[jinjo5]

Cheers.

I think more people on here need to look at life as being 'real' with 'rules we cannot escape from'....because...after all...we all have to live in this 'matrix' and we all are bound by it's rules....for the time being anyway.

As for whether this forum is being watched..and am i paranoid...

I do suspect it is being watched....but personally i am not paranoid.
We are all being observed all the time.
just look at all the organizations that have our personal details.
jobcentres,inland revenue,your local council etc,the list is frankly,endless.
Im not at all paranoid about it,cos of the reasons ive said on this thread.
Maybe i should be paranoid......no,im getting paranoid now,best stop!:eek: :)

[21_12_2012]

We are all being observed all the time.
just look at all the organizations that have our personal details.
jobcentres,inland revenue,your local council etc,the list is frankly,endless.
Im not at all paranoid about it,cos of the reasons ive said on this thread.
Maybe i should be paranoid......no,im getting paranoid now,best stop!:eek: :)

That's right, we are all being monitored to some extent, and this is increasing al the time..but..i think paranoia is what the 'powers that be' want to us to feel...and it is increasing.

I think, as David Icke says, that fear and all the other 'low vibrational' feelings are what keep this matrix the way it is.

Increased surveillance and terror etc is designed to keep us producing that fear and paranoia to feed the matrix.

It's a shame that many people give in to the system and let themselves feel fear and paranoia, because if this wasn't so, then it would probably be game over for this 'reality'

We choose to feel how we feel. Even if somebody is aiming a loaded gun at our heads, we choose to feel fear...we choose to let it register...nobody else..so really, we can eliminate any 'cause of fear or paranoia' by just changing what we let register in our brain.

[eternal_spirit]

Tracking cookies, data miners, the official version on these is they are used to log activity of you're surfing habits, which websites you visit and so on, so companys can try and market their goods based on you're internet surfing.

If you visit porn sites you're sure to get spam email trying to sell you viagra for example.

I bet the intelligence agencys have tracking cookies that don't show up when you run an addaware spyware scan, some people use 2 or3 different programmes because all the cookies don't show up on some programmes.

As for proxy servers lol it says be anonymous on the internet (BOLLOCKS) Whose watching the proxy servers?

[garth]

I do know what you're trying to say, but, what i do not accept is....if a 'great deal' of the population believed that walking through solid objects using their physical body is possible...or levitating and flying through the air to anywhere we want is possible...or manifesting huge amounts of money, or making things appear in front of their eyes etc....if the population believed this, would it be possible?

Nobody can say for sure if it would be...but if it is possible, that means that the complete laws of gravity would change and people would be able to defy gravity and fly anywhere...and walk through apparently solid objects...to me this would not happen due to the basic fundamental nature of the matrix program we live within (ie gravity is a fixed rule that cannot change no matter how many people believe it can

History has proven that changes in the consensus reality through mass acceptance of fact has changed reality for all. I see reality as a balloon, everytime something changes in the consesus reality the ballon gets blown a little bigger,expands. The things you are talking of would certainley challenge the basic rules of this reality as we know it right now. I believe that flying, levitating, walking through walls is all possible. I think if an individual got to a point of being able to do these things they would be at a very advanced spiritual point, where literally the fabric of this balloon was tearing. If I was at that point of being, I reck'on I'd be almost out of here (matrix reality), on the verge of a new dimension or reality of something (haven't formed a definite opinion of whats next yet) So probably the last thing I would be worried about is proving to anyone i could do it, as I would be about to say "catch ya later". Maybe people have done this already? I don't know, but I think this is why it's not common knowledge yet.

If you follow the concept that everything is an illusion, then even gravity can be nullified, my mind says?? my intuition says "come fly with me" (my intuition is always right:D )


You may have your proof that it works, but who is to say that your proof isn't just coincidence?
Coincidence does exist regardless of whether people say there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Example..i could be thinking how much i want one of my friends to call me up, then i get a phonecall off someone...that's coincidence.
Or if i sit at home wishing some money would come my way, and i get a tax rebate...does that mean the rebate came because i wished for some money? No..it was coming anyway..coincidence.

Some maybe coincidence but I have had way to many things happen for it all to be, literally 100's. Example - I needed a water tank, I went to a tank manufacturer and he told me the tank would cost $550 and It would be a 6 week wait. I thought to myself, I only want to pay $200.00 and i need the tank now. I put it out there while I drove to another tank place, where I purchased the exact tank I wanted for $200.00 and took it home. This took 15mins. This stuff happens almost daily.


I have to disagree there, because money is actually the earths 'value system', at least it's main one anyway. If people stopped believing money was worth anything, it would still be the earth's main value/purchasing system.

But it didn't use to be, before money was gold, before gold was barter. When gold was the currency, it was the consensus reality, if you had gone to the market to by a chicken and given the bloke a $10 note he would have asked "why are you giving me something to wipe my arse with?" because it had no value until money was introduced as tenure for gold, change in consensus reality. So whats to stop this changing, what happens when Cash becomes a thing of the past and evey transaction is electronic, virtual cash, change in reality


Why? It doesn't stop me from achieving goals that are 'reasonable' and actually can be achieved within this 'matrix'

Well then you must be manifesting something then, good on ya:D


I am a very open minded person indeed, even to the extent of believing fully in shapeshifting reptilians ruling the earth, but when it comes to changing fixed rules in this matrix, i look at that from a 'realistic' point of view...namely that these rules are fixed, and no amount of belief or concensus belief change can alter these rules.

I would love to see proof, that is one of my main goals in life...to finally see proof of the law of attraction, and how to change reality...but...until now i have seen none...and i have tried and tried, and believed and believed on many levels...changed my thoughts and feelings about things...and still nothing.

I would like to believe it, but have yet to see it..why do these people not come on TV, or appear in 'freak shows' and stuff?

I would have thought that if anything is possible, someone would have demonstrated this by now...just think of the cash they would make being the 'world's first flying human" !

But, if anything's possible, why hasn't somebody..anybody...demonstrated this physically?


as above


You do make perfect sense, and thanks for the post...i have watched the secret 8 times, and i do know how it is 'supposed to work' based on the 'knowing' and changing thoughts and feelings on many different levels, but, so far, it hasn't worked for me..maybe it will one day.

I would love nothing better actually. I don't want to come across as some kind of killjoy, i just look at this subject very 'realistically'...but..then again..what is reality?!

Pick something that you want and you know that you can get like a payrise, or a free meal for you and your family at a resturant or anything and we'll make it happen, just pick....:)

[garth]

That's right, we are all being monitored to some extent, and this is increasing al the time..but..i think paranoia is what the 'powers that be' want to us to feel...and it is increasing.

I think, as David Icke says, that fear and all the other 'low vibrational' feelings are what keep this matrix the way it is.

Increased surveillance and terror etc is designed to keep us producing that fear and paranoia to feed the matrix.

It's a shame that many people give in to the system and let themselves feel fear and paranoia, because if this wasn't so, then it would probably be game over for this 'reality'

We choose to feel how we feel. Even if somebody is aiming a loaded gun at our heads, we choose to feel fear...we choose to let it register...nobody else..so really, we can eliminate any 'cause of fear or paranoia' by just changing what we let register in our brain.

Damn right, hole in one :D

[john white]

Take it a step further....What is anything?
you still cant spend every waking minute thinking about it,you'd go mental.
we have to keep our feet on the ground to survive from day to day.
Common sense too plays a big part.:)


Have you levitated recently?....Walked through any solid walls?....Manifested a few grand out of thin air?





But, have they walked through walls yet? Manifested anything whatsoever that could prove the point of 'life being a changeable illusion' ?

Not really to my knowledge yet anyway.



It's what keeps us living and breathing in this 'matrix with rules' that we are all stuck in.



It's what most of us want..abundance in our material, emotional and mental lives. It doesn't make us good or bad, it's a healthy desire by all people 'stuck in this matrix'



No

All answers are only mirrors to the self: and its the illusion of the self that blinds us to the realisation that we are not the self, and all "rules" are simply perception

Its not a question of "feet on the ground" OR "head in the clouds": the humans true potential is to be the observer of the totality of all

(btw: its not money that keeps us breathing, but oxygen!... and I'd venture the possibility that the only real wealth is consciousness)

[garth]

All answers are only mirrors to the self: and its the illusion of the self that blinds us to the realisation that we are not the self, and all "rules" are simply perception

Its not a question of "feet on the ground" OR "head in the clouds": the humans true potential is to be the observer of the totality of all

(btw: its not money that keeps us breathing, but oxygen!... and I'd venture the possibility that the only real wealth is consciousness)

exactly, the ultimate observer, couldn't have put it better:D

[eternal_spirit]

(btw: its not money that keeps us breathing, but oxygen!... and I'd venture the possibility that the only real wealth is consciousness)[/QUOTE]

Like that saying John :D

I could use some extra money though, just to be able to stay alive and breath lol.

No one want's to know you if you have no money, I'm a living witness to this in my own life. When I was younger at school, it didn't matter if the rich kids had more material stuff, there was other things to do apart from spend money, which most people when they turn into adults don't care about anymore.

I don't care whose watching and listening anymore, I have nothing to loose, but more to be gained by taking part in a Forum and seeking answers and questions on the internet.

[garth]

I could use some extra money though, just to be able to stay alive and breath lol.

No one want's to know you if you have no money, I'm a living witness to this in my own life. When I was younger at school, it didn't matter if the rich kids had more material stuff, there was other things to do apart from spend money, which most people when they turn into adults don't care about anymore.

I don't care whose watching and listening anymore, I have nothing to loose, but more to be gained by taking part in a Forum and seeking answers and questions on the internet.

free you mind, and the rest will follow (envogue) you are the ultimate creator, your reality is your canvas, paint what pleases you:)

[21_12_2012]

Its not a question of "feet on the ground" OR "head in the clouds": the humans true potential is to be the observer of the totality of all

What about the humans true potential of being a creator ?
Not in this 'matrix' but in the higher levels of it.

(btw: its not money that keeps us breathing, but oxygen!... and I'd venture the possibility that the only real wealth is consciousness)

Well, without money, we wouldn't be breathing for long.

Real wealth may be consciousness in the higher levels, but in this 'matrix' it isn't in my opinion. As long as society is ruled by money, and the people run their lives around earning that money, then wealth in this matrix means money and abundance (on all levels, not just consciounsness levels)

Garth:-

Thanks for the post, maybe i will attempt to manifest some 'small' stuff haha.
Glad to hear that it appears to work for you anyway.

[garth]

Garth:-

Thanks for the post, maybe i will attempt to manifest some 'small' stuff haha.
Glad to hear that it appears to work for you anyway.

just do it, but make sure it's something you believe can happen, dosen't nessarily have to be small, the important part is the belief, believe me I tried for years using "wishfull thinking", and had poor results, its only when you believe that the good shit starts to happen. make it a priority...do it for once you start and you get a feel for it, then the real fun begins (it must be fun):)

[john white]

The "money" level is still the "consciousness" level: its simply the nature of the control that makes those on that "level" unconcious that its about consciousness. There is no "physical world" as anything else but a perception. How can there be, when "physical" matter is simply a percpetion of energy, created by incarnation in a "body": and what is energy, but consciousness?

In its purest form, the exchange of money is simply the exchange of energy generated by admiration: and more humans have existed who lived their entire lives without any concept of money compared to those with the misfortune to perceive a fiat currency note! (literally, it would seem like self abuse not to easily share all that there was between all)

Live a live of loving, caring and compassion for all around one, and its a guarentee, one will NEVER starve or have less than one needs to exist: those qualities are valued far to much for others to allow one to! No money involved. But one may well not be a being the system would recognise as having value. It depends on what one considers to truly qualify as "what one needs to exist": personally, I have found it to be a lot less than what the system conditions us to believe we need

Of course, many will doubt this: but then the challenge remains: have they tried it? . The answer there is self evident: for if they had, the world as it currently reflects the gestalt awareness of humanity would simply not exist

Leave the wallett at home and go out for a walk for a week: its amazing what one can learn, and one is more than likely to survive

[deca]

They could never trust anybody on here. So if you think they would gave you a load of money to keep your mouth shut I would not go to the dark lonely place to pick your money up. They would have to have something on you so they could blackmail you with. They have very little on me so f**k` them. If you think you had something on them that they would pay you to be quite they would dig the dirt on you and if thats did not work drive you mad or make out to other people you where mad. If you got through all that and still was going public they would use there magic words National Security.

[21_12_2012]

just do it, but make sure it's something you believe can happen, dosen't nessarily have to be small, the important part is the belief, believe me I tried for years using "wishfull thinking", and had poor results, its only when you believe that the good shit starts to happen. make it a priority...do it for once you start and you get a feel for it, then the real fun begins (it must be fun):)

Cheers..i will try my best anyway ha.

I don't want to appear too cynical or whatever, this is probably one of the only things i remain cynical about..manifestation etc..but who knows, maybe i will have some proof for myself soon enough...hopefully so.

[whitenight639]

good thread iv started enjoying the arguing! anyway itt all boils down to this:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u135/whitenight639/untitled.jpg
so if you need food for your kids then your going to get that, and if you can succeed in day to day shit you can expand on the other aspects of life, money illusion or not is the preffered tool to get these so we need this to get past the lower levels. also a mention spirituality should be at the top it is on most diagrams.
btw this is maslows hierarchy of needs, its phycology well its life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

[seamus]

suspect? You can take it for granted. LOL! This is the absolute most interesting, truth-filled forum I have ever seen. Of course they're watching! But as someone noted above, the watchers may learn something. OP screening can't be 100% effective. Ever seen THX1138? I highly recommend it. It's about us, in a loose sense.

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[cheeb]

Hi 21_12_2012,



Yes, but the rules of concensus reality are not fixed, they are fluent and greatly dependant on the masses accepting new concepts as fact, believing them and forcing a change to consesus reality..example - The consesus reality was that the world was flat, anyone who differed from that opinion was mocked, until it was proved to be round, then the consensus reality the changed. Point being that if enough people believe (100 monkey syndrome) then consensus reality changes



I certainly beg to differ, I have personal proof that it works, and continues to work for me. I won't say that it has been easy, in fact I have had to work quite hard at the beginning, but it does work and work well.



Consensus relaity creates the rules for the illusion (as you stated above) consensus reality for example gives money it value i.e. if no one believed money had any worth, we would use it to light the fire, its only because everyone believes it has value, that it does.

Your individual beliefs will limit you to not being able to achieve your goals.

Levitation is possible (has been documented as happening), flying - not that I know of, doesn't mean it's not possible, just a pretty large jump for most people on this rock at the mo. Walk through walls, it can be done etherically (remote viewing) so maybe no need to physically do it when you can see it all without moving;)

The results of LOA, the secret, quantum physics and all that stuff is pretty piss weak without the belief, the knowing deep inside you that it can be done, unfortunatley most "manifesting" material tends to miss this point. You have to know it is possible just like you know that oneday you will leave this illusion (death) it has to come from the same place. Hope this makes sense :D




The consensus reality that the world was flat maybe wasnt held by everyboby, but for arguments sake ,if it was ,the world didnt changer from being flat to being a sphere, just peoples perceptions of it

We still say the sun rises and sets,when we know that it is a fixed point.

Money now almosts as a virtual concept,eg up to just a year ago you could still be paid in cash at the end of each week, in certain jobs - daily.
now you need a bank account before you can have a job
The cashless society has crept in under our noses.
So you wouldn't even be able to light fires with it,as it only exists as numbers in a banks computor and to all intents and purposes has no physical form.

Anyhow 1 question..

What would happen if Rosie O Donnell got killed in a car crash or falling off a horse (or whatever),in the next few days.
would the forum experement have any responsability for it.

hello...

[bigus_dickus]

What would happen if Rosie O Donnell got killed in a car crash or falling off a horse (or whatever),in the next few days.
would the forum experement have any responsability for it.

hello...

how would you feel having said what you just said?

[garth]

The consensus reality that the world was flat maybe wasnt held by everyboby, but for arguments sake ,if it was ,the world didnt changer from being flat to being a sphere, just peoples perceptions of it

exactly, what the consensus percieves to be real is real, thats the way it works.

We still say the sun rises and sets,when we know that it is a fixed point.

point being?

Money now almosts as a virtual concept,eg up to just a year ago you could still be paid in cash at the end of each week, in certain jobs - daily.
now you need a bank account before you can have a job
The cashless society has crept in under our noses.
So you wouldn't even be able to light fires with it,as it only exists as numbers in a banks computor and to all intents and purposes has no physical form.

see post #50 page 5

Anyhow 1 question..

What would happen if Rosie O Donnell got killed in a car crash or falling off a horse (or whatever),in the next few days.
would the forum experement have any responsability for it.


Have you read the forum event thread?? If so what don't you understand?

[cheeb]

This was a debate about paranioa and i was just indulging myself in a what if scenario, would people feel quilty or paraniod over a situation they had absolutely no infleunce over.

Every 2 years we collectively take part in an even bigger experemenr -en mass.
we chant the mantras,
we wear our lucky shirts,
we have our lucky charms
we come together as a nation,black/white, rich/poor, left/right.
we invest a lot of positive energy even uri geller gets in on the act
and guess what :
england still doesnt win the world cup

so i say keep your superstition where the sun dont shine : back in the dark ages:)

[pollock]

I think that's because in a game like that there has to be a looser, so if you concentrate on your team winning youre also infact hoping the other team will loose, and that is not a possitive thing!
Just my thoughts on mainstream sports anyway!

F

[cheeb]

exactly, what the consensus percieves to be real is real, thats the way it works.

point being?

see post #50 page 5


Have you read the forum event thread?? If so what don't you understand?

yes i have read the thread

and i find it offensive to be using pubessant fantasy images of women when the sisters have had to struggle long and hard to be treated and payed equally as men, its blatent sexually stereotyping

[garth]

yes i have read the thread

and i find it offensive to be using pubessant fantasy images of women when the sisters have had to struggle long and hard to be treated and payed equally as men, its blatent sexually stereotyping

Fine, thats your reality not mine. FYI a woman chose the image