Icke Mixes Jesuitism with the *FOLLY of Reptilians

[2tuff]

David Icke Mixes Jesuit Satanism With The Folly of UFO Reptilians

Is he trying to discredit honest truth tellers by mixing in the serious Jesuit message with Reptilian folly? Someone please ask him if he is working for the Jesuits or if he has surrounded himself with the wrong people feeding him silly Reptilian information?

By Greg Szymanski
April 5, 2007

The next copy of the David Icke newsletter goes out on Saturday and the Arctic Beacon has received an advance copy of his opening message.

Icke seems to be on the "crush the Jesuit" bandwagon for the last month just like the Arctic Beacon has been on for years.

In fact, the editor of the Arctic Beacon has researched Vatican and Jesuit evil ever since working in Rome from 1979-1985. However, he has never mixed the important Vatican and Jesuit issue with things like Reptilians and other UFO hoaxes like Icke.

Further, it is this Arctic Beacon editor's opinion that Icke either works for the Jesuits, trying to mix seriousness with UFO folly, or he has surrounded himself with the "wrong people" feeding him wrong crazy Reptilian information in order to incite fear while now diluting the serious Satanic influence of the Jesuits.

"Please someone ask Icke to come on my radio show to clear up theses issues and if he doesn't respond, we then know what he is all about," said Greg Szymanski, editor of the Arctic Beacon and host of the highly popular radio show, The Investigative Journal.

Here are the opening lines of Mr. Reptilian's upcoming newsletter and ask if he is two-faced just like the Jesuits:

'The front men and women of the Jesuit network are always two-faced, because they have to be. One face, the public one, smiles bonhomie and presents an image that will attract votes and support. The other is the scowling face of the genetic manipulator and deceiver, for whom there are no limits in pursuit of power.

For the full article clich HERE (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=23930) or HERE (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/5-Apr-2007.html)

[tinmenace]

I'd have to ask Mr. Greg Szymanski what information he has that disproves it, and also if it is beyond the realms of possibility. Until it is disproved, I think the intelligent thing is not to close your mind to it.

[earthseed]

The attacks against David are so many he must be doing something right. I can see the haters have migrated from the dead forum to this one. Interesting.

[Mo0n5tar]

I would like to know where Mr Icke bases his information on the Jesuits from, considering Szymanski has repeatadly had guests like Phelps on his show is Icke simply repackaging the info Phelps has produced in an Atheist friendly package?

[2tuff]

Icke has always repackaged information hardly any of his writings are his own. The worse offense was when he made out he was given the Holographic knowledge whilst on a DMT trip in Brazil or where ever. All of what he claimed was told to him was almost word for word MICHAEL TALBOT's work from his book way way older called HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE which is quite an excellent book. Icke's information on the Jesuits is stale in comparison to what I've been coming out with an Eric has been coming out with recently. Also yes its a repackaged Eric Phelps once again. The difference between I and Icke is that I've known of the Jesuit command for a long time. I also never claim to be an authority on the subject and all credit goes to ERIC JON PHELPS. I bet Icke hasn't even credited Phelps yet for what small knowledge Icke now has on the subject. You see if he does then he will loose x-amount of fundings as people will say stuff you Icke I'm going to the master, the SOURCE Mr Eric Jon Phelps and buy his VATICAN ASSASSINS III book. So instead of buying a Icke 550 page book with mostly rehash work from his last book with a little new added. They would more appreciate a 1876 page book of completely fresh information of far more worth.

Here is an interesting interview with Allan Watt who claims that David Icke is a Mason.. It is at the 30 min mark..

Discussed David Icke, a Freemason, and how he
manages to do research, write and publish many
books and still give numerous lectures and do
tours around the world in many countries.
You cannot put someone out there to sway
people away from truth without giving that
person a lot of the truth.
Uncovering symbologies of the Tree (Birch, Oak
and Ash) in high masonry and the houses that
they're put into according to their degrees and
functions and the clues that they leave.

MP3 FORMAT (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/audio/120604.mp3)

[sean]

Just like to remind everyone that David isn't participating on the forum, nor is this the place to ask questions towards him.

Furthermore, if you think the reptilian stuff is a "hoax" then please feel free to discus why you think this, rather than baiting for an answer from David.

If you dis-believe David's Ayahuasca experience, i'd be interested to hear why. Many people report similar profound things whilst on it.

Carry on discussing, but please don't come here and hijack the forum with baseless and copy and paste smear campaigns.

Thanks.

[premasai]

Icke has always repackaged information hardly any of his writings are his own. The worse offense was when he made out he was given the Holographic knowledge whilst on a DMT trip in Brazil or where ever. All of what he claimed was told to him was almost word for word MICHAEL TALBOT's work from his book way way older called HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE which is quite an excellent book. Icke's information on the Jesuits is stale in comparison to what I've been coming out with an Eric has been coming out with recently. Also yes its a repackaged Eric Phelps once again. The difference between I and Icke is that I've known of the Jesuit command for a long time. I also never claim to be an authority on the subject and all credit goes to ERIC JON PHELPS. I bet Icke hasn't even credited Phelps yet for what small knowledge Icke now has on the subject. You see if he does then he will loose x-amount of fundings as people will say stuff you Icke I'm going to the master, the SOURCE Mr Eric Jon Phelps and buy his VATICAN ASSASSINS III book. So instead of buying a Icke 550 page book with mostly rehash work from his last book with a little new added. They would more appreciate a 1876 page book of completely fresh information of far more worth.


David Icke is not educated in the field of human science, history and has started his work on conspiracy pretty late (39 years old). Therefore he has no choice but to rely on others.
I really like Michael Tsarion's work on the subject much more than David's. Tsarion is a historian who spent whole his life on researching the subject.
Here ate his webs:

http://originsandoracles.com/

http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

http://psychicvampirism.com/


and videos

http://www.taroscopes.com/webstream/...startpage.html

[tinmenace]

David Icke is not educated in the field of human science, history...


"Education is the kindling of a flame, not the filling of a vessel" - Socrates

"The only real valuable thing is intuition." - Einstein

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." - Einstein

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Einstein

"One of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought." - Bertrand A. Russell

"Education is a state-controlled manufactory of echoes" - Norman Douglas

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2tuff
Why do you always attack Icke?. As far as getting his info from Michael Talbots book, I believe that Icke has already mentioned the Holographic Universe previously. ...and your constant harping on about the Jesuits is getting on my pip. As far as his writings not being his own......most historians rely on previous researchers work to make their arguement.

And as far as historians go....just remember that because you have a degree does not mean you have wisdom or the insight to know where you are being used to push an agenda. I am a firm beliver that someone who "wakes up" outside the "system" has a better chance of seeing into its flaws.

Premasai
As I said above, higher education can sometimes be a hinderance when covering subjects like the ones David does as it can put blinds in front of your objectivity. That said there are a number of great researchers who do have university/ classical backgrounds.

But Tsarion's docos are good and I like his investigation of the use of words and symbols.

[sean]

David Icke has posted a response (pasted below) to the original arcticbeacon.com article by Greg Szymanski.
His response is directly to Greg, and not to the posters on this forum.

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Greg ... we are in this together, or supposed to be, and we all have different fixes on what is happening. I don't agree with all that you say, by any means, but I haven't criticised you because I want everyone to have the freedom to express what they believe is going on without being condemned for doing so.

You think you are different to the freedom suppressors, but actually you think in the precisely same way. Your view is right and so anyone with a different opinion must, by definition, be wrong.

Pathetic Greg, just pathetic.

How much research have most people who criticise you done into the Jesuit connection you expound? None, exactly, and you rightly get frustrated at that.

But how much research have you done into the Reptilian connection? None, thank-you, exactly, again.
So how are you any different from those who criticise you?

Do they have a mirror in your house, Greg? Then, it would be good if you found time to use it.

Now, don't you think it would be best to focus on those behind the Orwellian state instead of issuing schoolboy dismissives about those who are doing their bit to expose what is going on?

Your request that 'Please someone ask Icke to come on my radio show to clear up these issues and if he doesn't respond, we then know what he is all about', has got to be first grade hasn't it?' Is this the new lie-detector: if they don't come on my show they must be Illuminati agents?

So funny.

By the way, I was linking the Jesuits to the conspiracy years ago in my books, but so what? It is the information that matters, not who says it. This is about exposure, not ego.

David

[premasai]

Premasai
As I said above, higher education can sometimes be a hinderance when covering subjects like the ones David does as it can put blinds in front of your objectivity. That said there are a number of great researchers who do have university/ classical backgrounds.

But Tsarion's docos are good and I like his investigation of the use of words and symbols.[/QUOTE]

It was not my intention to attack David. I like his work and agree with you that education often limitates people. But as you have noticed yourself Michael Tsarion does not belong to this group.
I like them both, but if I had to choose one I would go with Tsarion. That's all.

Hava a Wonderful Day

[mad1]

I don't 100% believe in the Jesuit theories (as I find there to be a few things that can be readily debunked, or have too much Protestant influence), and definitely don't think the Jesuits "rule the world". However, the more you look into it, the more obvious it is that the Jesuits and Vatican do play very prominent roles in the NWO push, and always have been a very crafty and manipulative (as well as intelligent) organization. Though, it always comes back into this black/white debate of Jesuits OR Zionists, when it seems obvious to me that both are highly powerful and influential in the grand scheme of events, and BOTH of them are likely controlled by (possibly in conjunction or agreement with) a 3rd party. With the pinpoint of this 3rd party development coming from such societies as ancient Canaan and Israel, as well as such secret societies as the Druids, the Los Alumbrados, and the Knights Templar.

This could also go into Babylon, India, Egypt, Sumer and a multitude of other societies, but it can be further and further narrowed down in the modern era to a few groups and organizations. If all roads lead to Rome, I'd see multiple streets both leading in to, and out of that civilization. A port and nexus of cultures, much like America in many ways.

It is in this realm where we could explain "how can the Jesuits rule everything if they haven't even been around for 500 years?" Clearly there are groups and forces at work behind the scenes, the least of which being the bloodline families, both known and unknown. Or what Icke would claim as "The Reptilians", or Sitchin would call "The Anunnaki", and on and on...

As for the Icke/Szymanski debate, I hardly recall Icke ever talking about the Jesuits before now. He would speak about the Vatican from time to time, but always in conjunction with "shapeshifting reptilians" and blood-drinking pedophiles. That being said, some of Szymanski's sources seem doubtable, and I really don't see the purpose for him to write an article against Icke's reptilian nonsense. I don't support Szymanski, but it is strange that with Icke doing this research for 20 some years, and writing multiple books, that the Jesuits have been mentioned maybe 10 times or something. I've seen Icke's "I am me, I am free" weiner picture published more times than I've heard him speak against the Jesuits. :eek:

It's funny, I spoke with Jack Blood recently, and Blood didn't seem too impressed with Szymanski's work either, or at least he didn't buy into it. Blood also stated in private discussion basically that "Alex Jones can wear on everybodies nerves from time to time". I'm not trying to talk trash about Jack Blood, because I've got some respect for the guy for at least giving me the time to do a lengthy discussion, but all of these people, Maxwell, Tsarion, Jones, Icke, at one point or another, have bad mouthed other researchers.

Bill Cooper seemed to dislike about 9 out of 10 researchers.

Me personally, I hate to bad mouth anybody, and I don't have all the answers nor do I pretend to such as some other people in this "business", but I see flaws in all of their works, disinformation and ego-based presentations which turns me off to personally giving them more support and promotion than I think they actually deserve. I've spent my $$$ on these books and documentaries, and have purchased hundreds of books by researchers who basically get NO attention, because they're not craving it and asking for it everyday. They do their bit and then go back to living their lives, not trying to become celebrities because of their books, like Sylvia Brown or Erich Von Daniken. If Icke and Tsarion and Jones have products to sell, more power to them I guess, but it shouldn't be expected that everybody is going to buy it, watch it, agree with it or support it.

It's all about the information, but all the information from pretty much all of these guys seems fairly tainted with a very large dose of misdirection, and even downright psyops. I'd give David Icke or even Tsarion more attention than Paris Hilton anyday, or a lot of celebs, but at least MOST celebs are clearly presenting ENTERTAINMENT, and not pretending to be "ascended master-gurus" who are claiming to offer you (for a price) all the truth and secrets of reality.

Nothing wrong with exposing Zionists or Jesuits, it should be encouraged, but there shouldn't be an either/or debate here, and we should really start focusing on that 3rd party element that's likely pulling the strings of both groups...

No, sorry, don't think it's Reptilians, or Aliens from other planets either...

Other than metaphorically speaking, of course...

[infinitely free]

I'm eager to see how szymanski responds, to David's respond!! :cool:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/6443/82/

Greg ... we are in this together,...

But how much research have you done into the Reptilian connection? None, thank-you, exactly, again.

[hagbard_celine]

That radio show is good, when it actually gets going. There's a lot of technical problems which end up in half of it being lost. But I like the syle of the show. Jackie, the presenter, has a down-to-earth and approchable manner. I like alan Watt too, Although I don't agree with everything he says.

[2tuff]

If you dis-believe David's Ayahuasca experience, i'd be interested to hear why. Many people report similar profound things whilst on it.

Do NOT twist my words Sean. I'm quite aware of peoples visions and so forth whilst utilising DMT containing plants and alike. I do not deny this happens and Icke didn't have something from it.

In the good video 'Secrets of the Matrix,' David Icke claimed this and that about his DMT visions regarding the Hologram we live within. Well Sean what he said in parts was almost word for word Michael Talbot's work from that book Holographic Universe. Infact I was rather annoyed with Icke for thinking he could fool me and others with this. Unlucky for Icke but people like myself make sure we go out and read as much as possible from as many as possible. More unlucky for Icke, myself and some others retain the information quite well in our holotrophic minds. Yes your correct he spoke of Holographic Universe well before that video was released. So does he think we are so low on intelligence that he thought he could get away with what he said? Like I've said, if people want to learn more on that subject they should source Michael Talbot and his sources work and cut out the third party old information.

Now as for this new Icke reply, personally I think both Syzmanski & Icke are being a little childish in ways. I feel that Icke's reply isn't something which promotes confidence in him either. Both these people simply do not compare to the likes of ERIC JON PHELPS! Icke claims he was linking the Jesuits a long time ago. Well David why didn't we have any detail till now? How can such a most powerful Order have been easily forgotten and not detailed whilst smaller groups have been? Why focus on Reptilians when we can shine the light on the Society of Jesus who we can see and if we wish fight by for instance destroying their Universities, Colleges, Cathedrals and throwing the Vatican out of our countries as we've done in the past. Whilst we focus on Reptilians even if they were real then wheres their base? We know the Vatican is ROME, we know the Jesuits rule from HOUSE OF GESU and so forth. Its all useless diversion and it won't stop the ID Cards, Tracking Chips, EU's, Club of Rome depopulation and so forth. Lets start highlighting The Aspen Institute, JP Morgan and Chase, Blackwater Group, Blackstone Group, Olive Group, Georgetown University, Fordham University, St Patrick's Cathedral for the AMERICANS to do something. We can see, touch and smell these places, they are REAL and they hold amazing power over those shores. Lets start focusing on THE CITY (as Icke has helped highlight), STONYHURST COLLEGE, WIMBLEDON COLLEGE and so forth. Lets get the stop Vaccination programs going and highlighting this problem. Lets stop bickering over Reptilians, zetas and so forth because quite frankly I once followed this line of subject but NO longer. Regardless wether true or false it almost is irrelevant as we need to tackle what matters and especially right now our HEALTH!

Lets get back in touch with REALITY!

Folks who don't know me properly may think I hate David Icke, I do not. I have to give David some credit as it was him and that Sovereign Military Order of Malta's CIA controlled Temporal Coadjutor, Alex Jones which helped wake me up. But folks theres more than these guys and their information out there. I learnt well and progressed further and saw the downfalls to both these people. Icke is great for awakening the sheeple as his info is very easy to follow on the general bird-cage society prison. For true detail you must go elsewhere. Right now there is no one around that even comes close to licking ERIC JON PHELP's boots on the SOCIETY OF JESUS, SMOM information. Now quite frankly if you want the best information on the Illuminati bloodlines then you go to Fritz Springmeier. Now how come Fritz is behind bars fitted up on phony robbery charges and Icke is walking free? Is it because Icke has an agenda? Or is it that Icke's reptilian information is an aid for the future faked Alien invasion/meetings which will be the ONLY way to create a one-world religion. So from this is it possible that Icke has screwed up and is aiding unknowingly THE SYNTHETIC SOCIETY created by Balfour to create the new religion of Sion? Quite possible thanks to dodgy Brian Desborough and Arizona Wilder.

I still promote Icke's 'Secrets of the Matrix' and once had the sale banner upon my site not so long back. So I do not hate Icke. I would like to point out how Icke talks about lifting ourselves out of the dumbed down prison state we're in yet he drinks alcohol which lowers the aura field doing quite the opposite to what Icke wishes. I enjoyed his documentary recently.

[2tuff]

Nothing wrong with exposing Zionists or Jesuits, it should be encouraged, but there shouldn't be an either/or debate here, and we should really start focusing on that 3rd party element that's likely pulling the strings of both groups...

INCORRECT! Really speaking we shouldn't focus on any of them as such but more on their agendas. If a decent size population ain't willing to fight and to be quite frank it would be difficult then we need to see their agendas. We need to do the opposite to everything they want. We need to also stop spending all our so-called money on useless things and so forth. We need to go without heat in the homes in the middle of winter (As I have done) in order to not play our part in our own funding of our destruction. If people stopped using the banks then what power would the Vatican have hold over us with by utilising their Rothschild "Robin Hood" on us? NONE! If this so called civilisation has to die from the chaos and backwardness of us destroying the bird-cage prison system then so be it. We can continue to live as truely FREE once again just like the few left alone tribespeoples. We can be as the animals truely free. We don't need electricity, gas, banks and so forth its BUNKUM, its depressing and its destroying of the soul and TRUE freedom.

This is why I help educate people mostly on HEALTH! Right now this is the most important thing people should be worrying about. They shouldn't even be worrying about Jesuits ruling them or Zeta aliens. Right now were living in the most dangerous times for ill-health. Here in England, Breast Cancer is rampant as are many other diseases. Chemtrails load the skies of the countries within the Open Skies Treaty. We need protection! This is what truely matters! The Club of Rome's depopulation started a good while ago, its now truely kicking in within our shores unfortunately. Please folks study more on this arena if possible then get into the rest of the conspiracy information. Knowing about the Jesuits won't save your life from Cancer and so forth. I should point out that David Rockefeller controls the Medical Mafia Cartel and whats he exactly? A SMOM Papal Knight. Check out how powerful the SMOM Queen "Guelph" Elizabeth II is and how she's linked to the Eugenics programs with Rockefeller.

[timestop24]

Just wondering as a sidenote, what do you think of Jack Chick in regards to exposing the agenda? I heard he has a few comics about Alberto Rivera.

This is to 2tuff.

[2tuff]

Dear Craig,

Greg and I spoke about Icke just yesterday. I said with Greg in the debate
as I too reject the theory of aliens and "shape shifters." David will not
go on Greg's show to defend his views.

Brother Eric

[tinmenace]

Personally, I don't see why David should defend himself to anybody.

[teslafire]

Hold on, 2tuff is criticizing David Icke because of his own personal choice to drink alcohol which "hurts" his own aura field?

2tuff, you support Al Gore on your site, you are an unabashed racist, and you think Leo Zagami is legit...house of glass, eh?

[mad1]

2tuff
If this so called civilisation has to die from the chaos and backwardness of us destroying the bird-cage prison system then so be it.

See, this is where our problems usually begin.. That and the fact that INCORRECT!! is the first response you have to my post. As if I am to perceive you as an absolute authority on my reality? You who give credit to Icke and Jones for "waking you up"? You who wanted to nuke Israel just a couple years back, and now claim everyone else as being anti-semitic if they try and expose Zionism?

Tuff, you support Al Gore? What the hell is up with that? Also, yes, you do come off as being racist (or at least separatist) motivated from time to time, and this goes right in line with the comment I quoted above. That "If we have to die then so be it!!"

You think we're all a bunch of diseased monkey-spunk anyway, right? Caused largely due to the fact that the races have interbred, right? And that Science and Evolution has taken over the mindset of the people?

I get it Tuff, you like Phelps, that's perfectly fine, we all have researchers we like better than others.. But damn man, give it a rest already!! You say "It's not even about focusing on the Jesuits, it's about focusing on their agenda!!", yet you've got a pic of Kolvenbach as your avatar, and you're never ending talking about Phelp and the Jesuits..?!

My whole point was to focus in on that 3rd Party source, and that I personally have disagreements with most all of these researchers, including Phelps, who quite honestly comes across as a Protestant/Calvinist/Religious extremist, who's biggest solution is that we all repent, convert to Protestantism, and make way for the return of Christ, coming from the 'New Jerusalem'...

I understand that you're "friends" with Phelps and have spoken with him on many occassions.. I've spoken with all kinds of people myself, and give them respect that they deserve, but I don't feel the need to "name drop" every single post I make, comparing every other researcher/author/celebrity to MY own personal guru figure (of which I don't have a guru figure, and you know what, if I did, it would be Jesus or Buddha)..:)

As for the HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE, Talbot himself sourced David Bohm and Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram for being two of his biggest influences, Pribram researched "holographic reality" long before Talbot..

Experiments performed in the 1920s by brain scientist Karl Lashley was one of the first to imply a "holographic" nature to reality.. Stanislav Grof was also another promoter of "altered states" back in the 50's and 60's.. Even Albert Einstein and more notably Stephen Hawking have done work on the holographic nature of reality.. Hawking's books "A Brief History of Time", as well as "The Universe in a Nutshell", have some pretty extensive propositions and theories on the holographic nature of perception.....

As for why Icke doesn't credit Talbot, well, that seems because Icke only sources people who are publishing on the same label as him, or are affiliate related researchers.. Why spread the $$$ around when you can funnel it all back into 'Bridge of Love'..?

Personally, I think Icke's Ayahuasca experience was more in part to him having a "midlife crisis" and wanting to appear "hip" to a younger audience.. And if Ayahuasca is the answer for everything and creates "enlightenment", it seems to me that Icke obviously needs to take some more because he appears be stuck in that same old flawed human paradigm that has been around since the dawn of civilization..

Anytime some of these researchers want to sell a few more books, they'll tell about their voyage to the amazon and their experiences with shamans and psychedelics.. Carlos Castaneda and Terrence Mckenna did it long before, and Timothy Leary and Aldous Huxley did it long before that...

We seem to be stuck in a loop of repetition, repetition, repetition..

I don't hate Icke or Jones however, nor Michael Tsarion, what I do hate is the fake front which seems to surround some of these people which really only leads to book/DVD sales, and has very little to do with truth, but instead misdirection, and strait up covert, elitist disinfo...

FIONA APPLE
"Please Please Please"

Please please please
No more melodies
They lack impact, they're petty
They've been made up already
Please please please
No more maladies
I'm so tired of crying
You'd think I was a siren
But me and everybody's on the sad same team
And you can hear our sad brain screaming

Give us something familiar
Something similar
To what we know already
That will keep us steady
Steady
Steady going nowhere

Please please please
No apologies
At best they buy you time
Until you next step out of line
Please please please
No more remedies
My method is uncertain
It's a mess but it's working
And maybe if you tried it out
You won't like it when you're crying out

Give us something familiar
Something similar
To what we know already
That will keep us steady
Steady, steady
Steady going nowhere

Please please please
No more melodies
They lack impact, they're petty
They've been made up already
Please please please
No more maladies
I'm so tired of crying
You'd think I was a siren
But me and everybody's on the sad same team and
You can hear our sad brain screaming

Give us something familiar
Something similar
To what we know already
That will keep us steady
Steady, steady, steady, steady
Steady going nowhere

Please please please
No apologies
At best they buy you time
Until you next step out of line
Please please please
No more remedies
My method is uncertain
It's a mess but it's working
And maybe if you want to try it out
You won't like it when you're crying out

Give me something familiar
Somethin' similar
To what we know already
That will keep us steady
Steady, steady
Steady going nowhere

[dane]

David Icke has posted a response (pasted below) to the original arcticbeacon.com article by Greg Szymanski.
His response is directly to Greg, and not to the posters on this forum.

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Greg ... we are in this together, or supposed to be, and we all have different fixes on what is happening. I don't agree with all that you say, by any means, but I haven't criticised you because I want everyone to have the freedom to express what they believe is going on without being condemned for doing so.

You think you are different to the freedom suppressors, but actually you think in the precisely same way. Your view is right and so anyone with a different opinion must, by definition, be wrong.

Pathetic Greg, just pathetic.

How much research have most people who criticise you done into the Jesuit connection you expound? None, exactly, and you rightly get frustrated at that.

But how much research have you done into the Reptilian connection? None, thank-you, exactly, again.
So how are you any different from those who criticise you?

Do they have a mirror in your house, Greg? Then, it would be good if you found time to use it.

Now, don't you think it would be best to focus on those behind the Orwellian state instead of issuing schoolboy dismissives about those who are doing their bit to expose what is going on?

Your request that 'Please someone ask Icke to come on my radio show to clear up these issues and if he doesn't respond, we then know what he is all about', has got to be first grade hasn't it?' Is this the new lie-detector: if they don't come on my show they must be Illuminati agents?

So funny.

By the way, I was linking the Jesuits to the conspiracy years ago in my books, but so what? It is the information that matters, not who says it. This is about exposure, not ego.

David


BURNED


2tuff why is there a pic of the black pope in yur av?

[tweety]

Err, just curious.... I heard that David Icke is a Freemason, is that true?

Because I read somewhere that Alan Watt seems to think he is a Mason, and I was wondering if Mr. Icke would be forthcoming with such information, whether it be true or false?

Tweety

[sean]

No, he's not a Freemason. I'd recommend reading one of his books, or reading some of the articles on this website regarding Freemasons.

[tweety]

No, he's not a Freemason. I'd recommend reading one of his books, or reading some of the articles on this website regarding Freemasons.

But didn't Icke "borrow" much of his main ideas from Jordan Maxwell anyhow? Like I heard the other day in a video on Bohemian Grove, Icke said " we do not elect our President, they are selected" etc. Hmmm...., me Tweety says that is almost verbatim Maxwell! :)

Wasn't Icke brought to the West through Jordan Maxwell's charity? I know Icke is must be too busy to remember such things.

Does Icke ever wonder if why Maxwell seems to ignore the Reptiles and focus on the Roman question?

Tweet, tweety!

P.S Art Bell loves David Icke!

[Mo0n5tar]

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Good post. I can see where you are coming from. I only came across Michael Tsarions stuff recently, read David Ickes stuff and seen his presentations for a quite a few years now (about 8 years I think) and they seem to have similar themes. But your comment about repetition,repetition is exactly what is happening. I dont like to criticise writers unless they try to brow beat me. The "Illuminati" scenario is so open , nobody can actually pin them down. They are the "shadow" behind everything from the Bilderbergers, Trilaterals, CFR, R.I.I.A in Chatham House, Bohemian Grove,Tavistock,Marxism,Mormonism, Jehovas Witness's, Rosecrutians,Masons etc etc.

Jordan Maxwells ideas on the use of symbolism and the use of language is fascinating and , honestly after a while my head is swimming. I can see what these people are saying is out there BUT still no "real" answers who the "Illuminati" are. We seem to fall back into what we are comfortable with....ie they are out there...lurking..waiting...just like the horror movies most of us probably love.

In fact, when I hear the term "illuminati" now, I cant help but to go "ho-hum". I am sick and tired of seeing the US DOLLAR BILL AND ITS "ILLUMINATI SYMBOLISM" on every bloody doco I watch. I am sick and tired of seeing the plan of Washington DC, Obelisks and Domes, Cathedrals, Churches and Gargoyl's. IT IS GETTING MONOTONOUS. If I was doing a disinfo job, I WOULD REPEAT THESE OVER AND OVER.

Its the black nobility, the Jesuits, the Royal families of Europe especially Britain AND now and then we get a scuffle, so called "real" researchers arguing about minor points where it should be , if they are to be believed, about getting the info out there. Wow.

Steven Wright once said copy one mans work and you are a plagarist but copy many mens work and you are a researcher, or something like that.

I see us going around and around in circles. Same shite different day.

I may just go back to rereading Colin Wilson's earlier books, and getting centered because thats where I started with all this plus rereading HP Lovecraft and his old ones. Give me bad dreams and maybe find something there.

Cant help it, but it appears like a merry go round where the ride operator is laughing at us.

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Hold on, 2tuff is criticizing David Icke because of his own personal choice to drink alcohol which "hurts" his own aura field?

2tuff, you support Al Gore on your site, you are an unabashed racist, and you think Leo Zagami is legit...house of glass, eh?

It may be his personal choice but if he was free as he claimed then why would he allow his body to still be controlled by the establishment. What beer is he drinking exactly? I bet he certainly don't make his own so therefore he's drinking the establishments beer. That beer is made and plastered everywhere in order to DIVERT peoples attentions elsewhere in this case DUMBING people down. Go look at American Ghettos and English run down council estates and see how many liquor stores are scattered around. I myself like to do the opposite the Farmer wishes. Icke is out of shape, looks/acts quite ill indeed. He's will basically end up in the hands of David Rockefeller (if he isn't already) via his Medical Mafia Cartel. Many chains still hold David Icke down as well as his agent friends such as Desborough and Wilder. Wake up people and see whats going on.

Oh Tesla please my friend stop with the Al-Gore nonsense! You've had it explained to yourself many times by me publically yet you still wish to come out with it trying to use it as a tool to discredit me somehow in the agent controlled sheeple minds still. My site no longer carries the Banner supporting Al Gore Jr as the DULY ELECTED U.S PRESIDENT. Folks that is all I supported Gore on and that he's the true president which helps once again keep it in the minds of people that there was a coup in 2000 and Bush IS NOT the President PERIOD! Theres nothing else in it. What these people like Tesla forget to mention is that I've highlighted Gores INCORRECT climate nonsense. I've highlighted Gore Jr's addiction to Adenocrone and his Bavarian Vampyre Cult followings. I've simply helped highlight to people the internal struggles still within the SMOM controlled Illuminati. Things are much better than old but they still don't all get on my dear friends. I had to take down the banner I spent time creating all because of people either taking it the wrong way or people twisting it to suit their devious needs. You will never get all the story from these people.

Leo Zagami? Well your WRONG again! If people actually read what I say without just wishing to think what I say then they would know this is untrue. Yes I've posted articles concerning Zamagi's work but that don't mean I totally agree with him. I've actually slatted him somewhat on my site as regulars will be aware of. No one fully leaves the Order and gets away to speak out of line. Zagami is fully controlled to this day and he's being let to say certain things. If he does cross the line then they will deal with him. They wish us to know x-amount because quite frankly they no longer care to a certain degree since they have amazing power already which people high in politics etc realise, fear and wish for... Please stop with disinformation my friend and concentrate on facts and highlighting the REAL ENEMY, not me!

Heres a saying for you; A HALF-TRUTH IS STILL A LOT OF TRUTH.
ALL AGENTS OF INFLUENCE HAVE A BIAS. STUDY THE BIAS AND KEEP PURE YOUR TECHNIQUE OF SUSPENDED JUDGEMENT AND GO BY THE DOCUMENTS.
-Marshall McLuhan

Tuff, you support Al Gore? What the hell is up with that? Also, yes, you do come off as being racist (or at least separatist) motivated from time to time, and this goes right in line with the comment I quoted above. That "If we have to die then so be it!!"

Read the above. You have a problem Michael and thats you run off at the mouth like a bat out of hell over NOTHING. All I had to say to your comments before was what I highlighted which was simply Incorrect thats all. I'm not doing what you claim I was simply highlighting an error with part of your information. If you wish to create friction over it then simply heat up my friend because I ain't rubbing and burning up over it, you can have the friction burns to yourself. Step back, take a deep breath and get some of your crazy thoughts out of your head. Your aggressive at the wrong people over the most stupidist things which will hurt you. Relax and focus ones attention on the true enemy not me. If your correct I will either not say anything or I will agree. If your incorrect I will highlight your error hopefully for correction or not. I only read a small portion as I can guess what you were coming out with. Take care.

Yes I'm Racist! If anyone knows the bible (which I do not follow but its worth a quote) then they know Jesus was a Racist. We are all NATURALLY racist. We recognise race instantly and its only through Mind Manipulation such as psycho linguistics, predictive programming that the masses are accepting whats happening. So if you wish for the destruction of not only the white but ALL the races being mixed together along with their cultures feel free. I do not condone this devious JESUITISM act. We should live as we have done for many centuries in the past. We should help one another in need but our countries stay as one race. If you understand the future agenda on races, and state created/controlled children you may one day understand what we've said is true and that you'll simply feel for very clever trickery. Again I come from a once fairly great Nation known as England. I know what this country was like and what its like now. Most of its problems come from immigrants who've brought this country right down. Its not their faults though its the Jesuit cretins for letting them all in on purpose to finally destroy completely England. The Jesuits have NEVER and will NEVER forgive England for what Henry VIII did to them of old. Never be an Enemy of the Jesuit as they simply never give and never give up, as both England and America are now seeing.

But didn't Icke "borrow" much of his main ideas from Jordan Maxwell anyhow? Like I heard the other day in a video on Bohemian Grove, Icke said " we do not elect our President, they are selected" etc. Hmmm...., me Tweety says that is almost verbatim Maxwell!

Wasn't Icke brought to the West through Jordan Maxwell's charity? I know Icke is must be too busy to remember such things.

Does Icke ever wonder if why Maxwell seems to ignore the Reptiles and focus on the Roman question?

Tweet, tweety!

P.S Art Bell loves David Icke!

Yes David Icke was CREATED by JORDAN MAXWELL. Jordan Maxwell has the guts to finger the Vatican, JESUITS and their Mafiosi (controlled by the local Archbishops). I was told by a guy in Europe that Maxwell had been warned off speaking about the Vatican not so long back. Oh well at least we heard something although Maxwell simply doesn't compare to Eric Jon Phelps. We should question Maxwell's serious money connections though and why. Maxwell speaks of aliens also but not like Icke as Maxwell knows its stupidity which will ruin the truth elements. Art Bell is a well known Adjutor my friend as you can easily find out. All these big syndicated shows are fronts for the SMOM and what they wish you to know.

No, he's not a Freemason. I'd recommend reading one of his books, or reading some of the articles on this website regarding Freemasons.

I'm not saying he is a Mason he's probably simply more dense than what we think and is being easily used/led up the garden path. What I will say though, is that just because someone highlights Freemasons doesn't mean he isn't one! The Pope slags off the Iraq War and many things but it is his crew which rules the show and creates the damn problems. Its COVER my friend!

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In 1995, some of Churchill's papers and speeches were controversialy sold by his family to the National Heritage Memorial Fund for 12,500,000 pounds thanks to money acquired from the National Lottery. The Chairman of the National Heritage Memorial Fund, which agreed to buy the papers for such a large sum is Lord Jacob Rothschild. Also important were Churchill's close links with Bernard Baruch and the elite family known as the Cecils. Indeed they controlled him to a large extent. The Cecils have longtime connections with the networks set up by another elite front, the Jesuits, and to other families in the European Elite like the Hapsburgs and the Black Nobility of Italy. Churchill knews exactly what he was doing.

The Cecil's has amazing power within Britain and it was this family who the Rothschilds wished to breed with. The Cecils bascially told them "No Chance" for quite some time as the Cecil's didn't see the Rothschilds as worthy enough back then. Eventually it happened and this is another way the Rothschilds were ELevated in the network. Churchill was simply controlled via the Round Table front by the Committee of 300 as are all Prime Ministers.

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Weishaupt was trained as a Jesuit, which is short for the Society of Jesus. The founder of the Jesuits, the Spaniard, Ignatius Loyola, formed a secret society within this apparently Catholic order and the initiates were called the "Alumbrados' which means the 'enlightened' or 'illuminated'. Conflict followed between the Jesuit 'illuminism' and Weishaupt's German version, battles which the traditins of Weishaupt mostly won although the jesuit netowork is still very much a part of the elite. Weishaupt created 13 degrees of initiation in his Illuminati and the key personel were to be found in the top nine degrees.

Disinformation once again and Wieshaupt never left the Jesuits at all its all a con my friend. The Council of 13 degrees of the Bavarian Illuminati is controlled from above by the Jesuits and the highest inner core of the Sovereign Military of Malta who you could both call the real KNIGHTS TEMPLARS of this era after the destruction of the old then handed to the SMOM way back. What Icke's trying to do is make you think theres yet another opposition when its OPPO-SAME a term he coined actually.

The vehicle for this trade in opium from Indian to China and elsewhere ws the East India Company, a group of Scottish merchants who were aligned with the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem and the Society of Jesus. Some researchers believe that the company's real masters were the banking families of northern Italy, the Black Nobility.

The British and Dutch East India Companies were both controlled by the Italian Black Nobility who've been controlled by the almighty Vatican regardless what some would claim. Their descendants are what is termed the Committee of 300. This is a little deeper than some go but infact once again this is controlled by the Order of the Garter and then the Pilgrim Society both INNER high layers of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Once again the Jesuits control these people from the top. The prime poppies were grown in Kensington Gardens, London before being shipped to India then transported by the tea clippies to China thus turning them into Opium addicts. You will find the history of this in the excellet "Cocaine Importing Agency" article in the drugs forum on here.

Permindex which is supposed to be a Mossad front company

This is where the Coadjutors show themselves up and once again try to lay blame on the doorstep of the Judiac peoples. Perminent Industrial Exhibitions was nothing to do with Israeli MOSSAD. Permindex is a BRITISH MI6 now SIS front, always has been and always will be. Also note that MOSSAD was created by BRITISH SIS as was the CIA. Both those groups are fully controlled by British Intelligence who are the kings of Intelligence fully controlled from the top by the Sovereign Military Order of Malta who control ALL Intelligence agencies on the planet. You notice how we hear CIA, CIA, CIA or MOSSAD, MOSSAD? You hardly ever hear any in depth talk on BRITISH INTELLIGENCE, why?? The only other intelligence agency that comes close to the power of British Intelligence is FRENCH Intelligence. These coadjutors just skim the surface and twist/lie thus DIVERTING! Look at when I spoke with George "Roman Catholic" Galloway about the drugs issues and the Intelligence agencies. George agreed but quickly jumped in to stop me going further. What did he come out with CIA, CIA, CIA did this and that. Well yes many know of the CIA but why wouldn't be address BRITISH SIS? Because he knew he'd be out of a damn job in the morning the chicken sh**. If he was a man of his word and what he makes out then he wouldn't care for money or his spotlights. He's wrapped up in the illusion almost as much as the pure sheeple are. BRITISH INTELLIGENCE RULE THE ROOST FOLKS!!!!!! WAKE UP!

I ask you people why David Icke missed out JESUIT JOSEPH RETTINGER when talking about the creation of the Bilderberg Group????????? Real researchers know of Rettinger yet Icke missed him out period. Joseph is the real man behind Bilderberg and his friend Prince Bernard simply helped bring it about. Once again the Jesuit manipulating and creating behind the scenes whilst his lackies do the work and get noticed if ever.

The insigina of the Order of the Garter is a jewelled collar with red roses alternating with 26 gold knots representing the 26 knights in two groups of 13. Similar orders emerged in France with the Order of the Star, the Order of the Golden Fleece, and the Order of St. Michael. The Freemasons are the Knights Templar and the Priory of Sion under another name, and the Company of Jesus are based on the same structure as the Templars with the same goal. The Jesuits and the Knights of Malta are esoteric secret societies which hoard and use the secret knowledge while outwardly claiming to be 'Christian.' They are doing the same as the Templars did at the time of the Crusades and together they control, with the higher levels of Freemasonry, the Vatican, the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. In other words, they control both sides, the esoteric underground and the church which condemns this very same underground. They control the game and the ultimate outcome...In 1312, all lands and property owned by the Templars were given by the Pope to their 'rivals' the Knights Hospitaller of St. John, later called the Knights of Rhodes and now the Knights of Malta (Catholic) and the Kinghts of St. John (Protestant).

Note bad information and now can you see the Order of the Garter fit into a inner core of the SMOM? The Garter control the Committee of 300 core and their the protectors of the ROMAN Empire, some would say British Empire but theres never been a British Empire, the Vatican has ruled the roost since day one regardless of illusional oppositions.

The Roman Catholic Church...was the creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood from the start, back at the time of the Roman Empire. The Roman Catholic Jesuit movement is ain important vehicle for the manipulation of the global conspiracy. Like the Knights of Malta who help to control the Vatican, the Jesuit hierarchy does not even believe in Christianity! The Jesuits, the Knights of Malta, and the Roman Catholic hierarchy are part of the Babylonian Brotherhood.

The Jesuits believe that their version of the Mystery Religion is the PURE version and that the RCC followed a perverted version. I forget all the ins and outs of this information but basically the idea was to get a hold of the RCC and move their thoughts in. The final agenda is for the creation of one religion created by the Synthetic Society based on Sion. They will join the religions gradually as we're now seeing soon with the protestants and Catholics. Then they will destroy them all to make way for the new religion. By this time all will be controlled from Jerusalem in Solomans Temple III paved with Gold as U.S and Israeli Patented.

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It may be his personal choice but if he was free as he claimed then why would he allow his body to still be controlled by the establishment. What beer is he drinking exactly? I bet he certainly don't make his own so therefore he's drinking the establishments beer. That beer is made and plastered everywhere in order to DIVERT peoples attentions elsewhere in this case DUMBING people down. Go look at American Ghettos and English run down council estates and see how many liquor stores are scattered around. I myself like to do the opposite the Farmer wishes. Icke is out of shape, looks/acts quite ill indeed. He's will basically end up in the hands of David Rockefeller (if he isn't already) via his Medical Mafia Cartel. Many chains still hold David Icke down as well as his agent friends such as Desborough and Wilder. Wake up people and see whats going on.

Yes, (all) liquor and bread - bad for humans, twas designed that way many moons ago. You know what else oddly empowers the PTB? Projecting Jesuit power via your avatar, emboldening the 'enemy'.

Let's all freak out about it!

Oh Tesla please my friend stop with the Al-Gore nonsense! You've had it explained to yourself many times by me publically yet you still wish to come out with it trying to use it as a tool to discredit me somehow in the agent controlled sheeple minds still. My site no longer carries the Banner supporting Al Gore Jr as the DULY ELECTED U.S PRESIDENT. Folks that is all I supported Gore on and that he's the true president which helps once again keep it in the minds of people that there was a coup in 2000 and Bush IS NOT the President PERIOD! Theres nothing else in it. What these people like Tesla forget to mention is that I've highlighted Gores INCORRECT climate nonsense. I've highlighted Gore Jr's addiction to Adenocrone and his Bavarian Vampyre Cult followings. I've simply helped highlight to people the internal struggles still within the SMOM controlled Illuminati. Things are much better than old but they still don't all get on my dear friends. I had to take down the banner I spent time creating all because of people either taking it the wrong way or people twisting it to suit their devious needs. You will never get all the story from these people.

There was no coup, something that big cannot simply be warring mystery school factions. But its a great psyop to divide the people of America, 50/50, and eventually lead us down the path of North American Union. Its a matter of opinion of course...

Leo Zagami? Well your WRONG again! If people actually read what I say without just wishing to think what I say then they would know this is untrue. Yes I've posted articles concerning Zamagi's work but that don't mean I totally agree with him. I've actually slatted him somewhat on my site as regulars will be aware of. No one fully leaves the Order and gets away to speak out of line. Zagami is fully controlled to this day and he's being let to say certain things. If he does cross the line then they will deal with him. They wish us to know x-amount because quite frankly they no longer care to a certain degree since they have amazing power already which people high in politics etc realise, fear and wish for... Please stop with disinformation my friend and concentrate on facts and highlighting the REAL ENEMY, not me!

You're not an enemy to me or the truth movement.
I'm just wondering why you take Syzmanski's side in his childish plea to get Icke on his show when Szymanski is the fool who bought into Zagami.

What is this about 2tuff? Reppies right?

Well I seen one, dost me eyes deceive me?
Am I stupid and led down the high-end elite disinfo path of Rockefeller's interest?

Am I disinfo myself?

What explanation do you have for the thousands (those brave enough to report) of eye-witnesses of reptilians? Something like 'Icke drinks Tennet's Super'?

Please.

Yes I'm Racist! If anyone knows the bible (which I do not follow but its worth a quote) then they know Jesus was a Racist. We are all NATURALLY racist. We recognise race instantly and its only through Mind Manipulation such as psycho linguistics, predictive programming that the masses are accepting whats happening. So if you wish for the destruction of not only the white but ALL the races being mixed together along with their cultures feel free. I do not condone this devious JESUITISM act. We should live as we have done for many centuries in the past.

Many centuries in the past civilization was not controlled by the same elite pyramid structure??? That's some damn fine logic you got there.

Tower of Babel mega ritual in reverse...now who do you think carried out the first Tower of Babel ritual/archetype?

By the way, I'm brown, you probably shouldn't mix and communicate with me.

Yes David Icke was CREATED by JORDAN MAXWELL.

I'd say Terry Wogan has more to do with Icke's notoriety than any other person.

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You're not an enemy to me or the truth movement.
I'm just wondering why you take Syzmanski's side in his childish plea to get Icke on his show when Szymanski is the fool who bought into Zagami.

I'm not an enemy to anyone other than the cretins I help highlight such as Jesuits, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, FBI Division #5, British SIS. Quite a few people simply hate the fact that I say things which can burst their new security bubble handed to them by disinformation agents. No one likes realising their security is gone and their back to square one of being lied to once again. People need to stand back and stop falling for one or two superstars as Watts would say. They should listen to many people and hopefully get somewhere further. The problems are that most of the people speaking are AGENTS and its rare you get anywhere near the top until whats been happening recently.

I take Greg's side in this Icke business because I see what Icke is doing and has done but keeping people more interested in Reptilians than more pressing issues. We want more Sovereign Military Order of Malta and Jesuits! He's now realising that his info is lacking and the people want more depth and he has no choice but to speak of them now or he will crumble. While he's got everyone fighting over wether the Queen is a reptile or not they could be fighting their local water board about Fluoridisation, which is FAR MORE important! I'm quite sure I've never heard Icke speak of the Queen being a descendant of the GUELPH Black Nobility family just the usual not quite in depth German link. Notice how your getting a truth from him but many times not in depth enough. The example of Bilderberg and JESUIT Joseph Rettinger is a good one.

I understand how Greg may be thinking and worrying that once Icke steps forward about the Jesuits that his bad UFO information will smear our TRUTH. Its always the same and this is why its put out there in order to damage real information of worth. Icke has been duped. Once again Icke's reputation has plummeted thanks to that pathetic B-Movie Documentary about Brandon Corey. How the hell did Icke get himself involved with that hit piece, it was asbolute bunkum and I couldn't believe Icke being on there. Credibility has gone straight out the window.

Yes, (all) liquor and bread - bad for humans, twas designed that way many moons ago. You know what else oddly empowers the PTB? Projecting Jesuit power via your avatar, emboldening the 'enemy'.

Let's all freak out about it!


Please don't comment on Health issues when you have not the knowledge on the subject to the level which I possess. Liquor is not a health drink, its a POISON which kills the Liver. If it was meant to be taken our creators wouldn't have made it damage the Liver, it would aid the Liver but alas it doesn't. Bread is a SLAVE & EMERGENCY food as are grains. Bread is one of the worst foods for Mucus creation and we all know what that creates. Yes people have used these foods for many eons but that doesn't mean their the best and that we cannot improve as knowledge comes along. People say oh well we ate this and our generations were healthier than now. Well thats somewhat right but alas they didn't have the poisons in the water, air etc like we now have. They weren't that healthy either as many people came down with Diabetes and Arthritis. If you understand the true causes of those two problems alone then you understand how their diets were incorrect.

I like having the SUPERIOR GENERAL as my Avatar and infact it aids in my work highlighting the Order. When I changed it to my own avatar people said they didn't feel the same intenseness in themselves. Yes sounds weird but I kinda understand what they were saying. I could choose something entirely different but the SUPERIOR GENERAL suits well and will be continued. My friend we cannot doubt the massive power the Society of Jesus holds so my avatar don't do that much for them what they haven't already got.

There was no coup, something that big cannot simply be warring mystery school factions. But its a great psyop to divide the people of America, 50/50, and eventually lead us down the path of North American Union. Its a matter of opinion of course...

At the end of the day in the Peoples eyes and level it was a Coup D'Etat as Al Gore Jr has won by at least half a million votes. This means he should have been legally granted the position of President of the United "Corporation" States and he was NOT.

What you're saying is correct about a 50/50 as such which is being organised right now especially with this 9/11 Truth. The SMOM would never allow the information coming out over their networks unless they had a reason. Also they only allow basic knowledge not the indepth once again as usual. There is a hatred between the Gore and Bush cliques no doubt about that.

By the way, I'm brown, you probably shouldn't mix and communicate with me.

Now now my friend you serious need to research people better and understand what their saying before coming out with talk like that. I have no problem with people of a different Race to me. What I do have a problem with is the Jesuitism forced intregration of Races within our countries. If you wish to destroy your "Brown" race then feel free and promote the Jesuitism nonsense which will destroy all our races and cultures in the not to distant future believe me. I believe we should all have our own land. When someone is in trouble such as Africa right now, then what should happen is the people who can help wether white, chinese, mexican should go over there. Help should be administered but we should not stay there once help is done. If we need help and an African can aid then they should do but then leave when help is given. We're told in REALITY to not hate anyone as it empowers the Elite. That is correct and what I've just said is not hate at all. I do not like what has happened to my once great nation since immigration started I will say that.

I'd say Terry Wogan has more to do with Icke's notoriety than any other person.

Come on Tesla you should be smarter than this. Wogan destroyed David Icke and still destroys him inside to this very day. This did nothing of worth to Icke and what Icke talked of on the show in parts did nothing to help whats happened to him now. JORDAN MAXWELL created David Icke as you see him now, it took MONEY and contacts such as Maxwell with the money and clout which in itself is suspicious.

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Im leaning more towards believing in reptiles than a guy who believes in drinking(or sniffing) his own urine.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=3340

The one day I hadn't had my usual Onions, Cayenne and fruit. I noticed my nose on the right nostril was bunged up quite bad and I fell asleep watching TV. When I awoke it was a little worse so I decided to take 500ml of my Urine. Within 5 minutes the airways were amazingly cleared and that was just through oral drinking not direct application to the nose.

Excellent




Talk about taking the piss!:p :D

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That was some rather selective quoting 2tuff.


I take Greg's side in this Icke business because I see what Icke is doing and has done but keeping people more interested in Reptilians than more pressing issues. We want more Sovereign Military Order of Malta and Jesuits! He's now realising that his info is lacking and the people want more depth and he has no choice but to speak of them now or he will crumble. While he's got everyone fighting over wether the Queen is a reptile or not they could be fighting their local water board about Fluoridisation, which is FAR MORE important! I'm quite sure I've never heard Icke speak of the Queen being a descendant of the GUELPH Black Nobility family just the usual not quite in depth German link. Notice how your getting a truth from him but many times not in depth enough. The example of Bilderberg and JESUIT Joseph Rettinger is a good one.

Reptilians take it to the next dimension, its only insignificant if you reject it purely for its perceived absurdity.

I understand how Greg may be thinking and worrying that once Icke steps forward about the Jesuits that his bad UFO information will smear our TRUTH. Its always the same and this is why its put out there in order to damage real information of worth. Icke has been duped. Once again Icke's reputation has plummeted thanks to that pathetic B-Movie Documentary about Brandon Corey. How the hell did Icke get himself involved with that hit piece, it was asbolute bunkum and I couldn't believe Icke being on there. Credibility has gone straight out the window.

Now this, I grudgingly agree with...the producers of the Brandon Corey story
initially marketed it as a real docu...shortly after release, reacting to widespread ridicule and debunking, they decided to call it a mockumentary.

Truly a shame that Mr. Icke was involved with it, but then everyone makes mistakes, as Mr. Syzmanski has surely learned by now via Zagami.


Please don't comment on Health issues when you have not the knowledge on the subject to the level which I possess. Liquor is not a health drink, its a POISON which kills the Liver. If it was meant to be taken our creators wouldn't have made it damage the Liver, it would aid the Liver but alas it doesn't. Bread is a SLAVE & EMERGENCY food as are grains. Bread is one of the worst foods for Mucus creation and we all know what that creates. Yes people have used these foods for many eons but that doesn't mean their the best and that we cannot improve as knowledge comes along. People say oh well we ate this and our generations were healthier than now. Well thats somewhat right but alas they didn't have the poisons in the water, air etc like we now have. They weren't that healthy either as many people came down with Diabetes and Arthritis. If you understand the true causes of those two problems alone then you understand how their diets were incorrect.

I know that already, I wasn't being sarcastic about that...

I like having the SUPERIOR GENERAL as my Avatar and infact it aids in my work highlighting the Order. When I changed it to my own avatar people said they didn't feel the same intenseness in themselves. Yes sounds weird but I kinda understand what they were saying. I could choose something entirely different but the SUPERIOR GENERAL suits well and will be continued. My friend we cannot doubt the massive power the Society of Jesus holds so my avatar don't do that much for them what they haven't already got.

I was being sarcastic about this...the intenseness you describe, I would interpret as fear - a kind of adrenochrome....

At the end of the day in the Peoples eyes and level it was a Coup D'Etat as Al Gore Jr has won by at least half a million votes. This means he should have been legally granted the position of President of the United "Corporation" States and he was NOT.

Ya learn something new everyday. :rolleyes:

What you're saying is correct about a 50/50 as such which is being organised right now especially with this 9/11 Truth. The SMOM would never allow the information coming out over their networks unless they had a reason. Also they only allow basic knowledge not the indepth once again as usual. There is a hatred between the Gore and Bush cliques no doubt about that.

An engineered one at least, the higher ups justify their position in the pyramid by setting their underlings against each other - the players in the dialectical drama must be convincing, but we all know that both roads end up in the same place. False dichotomy of choice that you buy into no matter your supposed strategy.


Now now my friend you serious need to research people better and understand what their saying before coming out with talk like that. I have no problem with people of a different Race to me. What I do have a problem with is the Jesuitism forced intregration of Races within our countries. If you wish to destroy your "Brown" race then feel free and promote the Jesuitism nonsense which will destroy all our races and cultures in the not to distant future believe me. I believe we should all have our own land. When someone is in trouble such as Africa right now, then what should happen is the people who can help wether white, chinese, mexican should go over there. Help should be administered but we should not stay there once help is done. If we need help and an African can aid then they should do but then leave when help is given. We're told in REALITY to not hate anyone as it empowers the Elite. That is correct and what I've just said is not hate at all. I do not like what has happened to my once great nation since immigration started I will say that.

Do you think Jesuits are ultimately responsible for and benefit from the internet?

Come on Tesla you should be smarter than this. Wogan destroyed David Icke and still destroys him inside to this very day. This did nothing of worth to Icke and what Icke talked of on the show in parts did nothing to help whats happened to him now. JORDAN MAXWELL created David Icke as you see him now, it took MONEY and contacts such as Maxwell with the money and clout which in itself is suspicious.

Of course I've heard that before but its blown way out of proportion...Maxwell saw a quality in Icke which is why he supported him, you make it sound like Maxwell gave him the shirt off his back.

And yes, I maintain that Wogan has more to do with David Icke's name recognition, as all publicity is good publicity.

It also forced him to evolve and that has been the necessary shift in his consciousness (according to Icke himself) that allowed him to consider and investigate the bizarre reptilian connection.

[tweety]

Just the other day, while I was up in my tree home, I thought about how smart David Icke is! Then OMG, I thought about what if David Icke is the HEAD REPTILE? I know it sounds crazy but please..... just think about it....just hear me out, cause what if it's true....eh, just imagine, like, would if David Icke is a REPTILE after all and his is fooling everyone?

Can you help me to know if David is a REPTILIAN taking us all for a ride? Think about it, wouldn't David ICke be the best cover for the conspiracy? Who would dare challange Dsvid Icke since he is the ONLY REAL expert? It all seems to make some sense now! :eek:

Tweet, pluck,
Tweety!

[teslafire]

Just the other day, while I was up in my tree home, I thought about how smart David Icke is! Then OMG, I thought about what if David Icke is the HEAD REPTILE? I know it sounds crazy but please..... just think about it....just hear me out, cause what if it's true....eh, just imagine, like, would if David Icke is a REPTILE after all and his is fooling everyone?

Can you help me to know if David is a REPTILIAN taking us all for a ride? Think about it, wouldn't David ICke be the best cover for the conspiracy? Who would dare challange Dsvid Icke since he is the ONLY REAL expert? It all seems to make some sense now! :eek:

Tweet, pluck,
Tweety!

Right, there are several sources for recounting the interdimensional reptilian
phenomenon. Attempts to label Icke as the 'expert' in reptilian research is *folly*. What Icke is truly unique in is saying it all balls out regardless of consequence, many UFO researchers are quite aware and report on reptilians but do not make it their centerpoint for various reasons - you'd know this had you done any actual research instead of relying on pure conjecture and superficial analyses like so many who laugh before they think.

[premasai]

Icke has always repackaged information hardly any of his writings are his own. The worse offense was when he made out he was given the Holographic knowledge whilst on a DMT trip in Brazil or where ever. All of what he claimed was told to him was almost word for word MICHAEL TALBOT's work from his book way way older called HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE which is quite an excellent book. Icke's information on the Jesuits is stale in comparison to what I've been coming out with an Eric has been coming out with recently. Also yes its a repackaged Eric Phelps once again. The difference between I and Icke is that I've known of the Jesuit command for a long time. I also never claim to be an authority on the subject and all credit goes to ERIC JON PHELPS. I bet Icke hasn't even credited Phelps yet for what small knowledge Icke now has on the subject. You see if he does then he will loose x-amount of fundings as people will say stuff you Icke I'm going to the master, the SOURCE Mr Eric Jon Phelps and buy his VATICAN ASSASSINS III book. So instead of buying a Icke 550 page book with mostly rehash work from his last book with a little new added. They would more appreciate a 1876 page book of completely fresh information of far more worth.

Do you think that Icke could be controlled? As you wrote many times THEY always control both sides...
By the way: I like your posts a lot.

[oneofmany]

2tuff
Why is it that your opinions have to be right all the time? I've read a lot of the material from the researchers you talk about, but I don't rubbish the researcher if I don't agree with them. Your posts on this topic are coming of as totally condescending to not only myself, but the other posters on this forum that believe in the reptilian phenomena for their own reasons, not just because Mr Icke told us about them in a book. Have you ever studied the Reptilian topic in detail? or are your thoughts about the subject all Mr Syzmanski's? Have you talked to native peoples of the world and asked them about it or is all your information on the subject out of a book? Because David, like Myself, has, and the information he was given by Credo Mutwa, correlates with the stories I have been told by the Australian Aboriginals.

Your coming off to me as though you know it ALL, and mate, I know that this is just not the case.

PS Greg Syzmanski is a confirmed dis info agent, who mixes a little truth with the lie to make it palatable. If you can't see that, then maybe all your information should be taken with a grain of salt.

[tweety]

2tuff

PS Greg Syzmanski is a confirmed dis info agent, who mixes a little truth with the lie to make it palatable. If you can't see that, then maybe all your information should be taken with a grain of salt.

Where did you learn this? Greg sounds like he's forthcoming for the most part about his past and has put alot out on the line to expose the Jesuits.

If he wanted money, why doesn't he just stick with peak oil, or Reptiles, or the Jews did it all?

Cheap,
Tweety!

P.S David Icke is the "black reptile" who eats birds for breakfast. :eek:

[oneofmany]

Where did you learn this? Greg sounds like he's forthcoming for the most part about his past and has put alot out on the line to expose the Jesuits.

If he wanted money, why doesn't he just stick with peak oil, or Reptiles, or the Jews did it all?

Cheap,
Tweety!

P.S David Icke is the "black reptile" who eats birds for breakfast. :eek:

Who said it was about money? its who he works for that bothers me. Do your research on this character, and make up your own mind Budgie. As for the Jesuits, he hasn't said anything special that I haven't heard from other researchers, so who's conning who with information here?

as for your troll aspect, you can budgie off.

[tinmenace]

Ok, one thing we don't do around here is insult anyone personally when making a point in a debate...and we especially do not insult David Icke who is not a participant on this forum and therefor cannot defend himself.

[teslafire]

If he wanted money, why doesn't he just stick with peak oil, or Reptiles, or the Jews did it all?

When will people like you get it...talking about Reptilians isn't what made David so popular, if anything, its how he's able to fluidly explain the phenomenon and still maintain a humorous and human perspective on the Conspiracy.

Talking about reptilians, for most of the witnesses, has resulted in nothing but grief and bad jokes, like the ones you're making.

[warrior]

Icke is doing a good job exposing alot of issues he feels the public should be aware of. I don't think it is necessary for Greg Syzmanski to attack Icke, (or Jones), especially when his article is about Icke giving coverage of the same issues that Greg is writing about.

Greg should be pleased that others are also voicing concerns about a subject he feels strongly about. It does appear to be quite petty and bitter, and comes across badly for Greg to be needlessly attacking Icke like that. Greg should be proud that Icke refers to his website. In fact it was thorugh Ickes site that I was lead to Arctic Beacon.

I think it is also important to note that any one journalist can't expose every conspiracy story and cover every angle. Just because Icke or Jones don't give more coverage to the Jesuits story certainly doesn't mean they are in any kind of league with the Jesuits. Maybe they think that some are over-estimating the control of the Jesuits, maybe they are just far too busy covering stories like 9/11, London Bombing and covering the BB agenda of their own governments. Whatever the reasons, I think Icke and Jones are doing a great job in what must be a very stressful job. Greg Szymanski is also doing a great job, and it doesn't seem right that Greg would have a go at either Icke or Jones. There should be a mutual repsect for guys doing what they can to expose some of the NWO issues. If those guys shared news issues it can only be for the better of the public. When they attack each other it only loses credibility for all of them. It would be better if Greg concentrated more on attacking the leaders of the NWO, in his case the Jesuit agenda, and avoided needless swipes at others exposing other NWO stories.
Personally I don't like the reptillian stuff and pay no attention to it, but I really don't like seeing Greg Szymanski having a go at Icke on his website, I think it also serves to distract people from the major message the arcticbeacon is trying to give.

[zircon]

I tend to agree with the above - whilst I find the reptilian thing a useful tool in being sure of what is closer to anything that we might call a truth vibration, as opposed to being a dangerous subterfuge or deceitful trick, I also feel that knowing that a large part of the world is to all practical purposes in the grip of the nightmare forces, doesn't actually help in freeing it unless that part wakes up to the fact. The grip is probably too strong by far for that to happen. And squabbling between more enlightened persons actually only reinforces that grip. As others have said in other threads, when we do that we can all end up being "reptilians" or whatever else you want to call them, because we have given away to that energy our own potential to be free from it. By spreading a message of love, and exposing the opposite wherever it is we have a chance. The courage that it takes and that has been seen in those just mentioned above, is what should inspire us to do the same, to take it forward. Some do it in books, or lectures in front of thoudands, others in others ways, in ridiculing the hypocrisy of it all; we need to understand the chains that bind us and see how it is done - but take it forward we must, to go to a better place.

[foreverspirit]

I do not like what has happened to my once great nation since immigration started I will say that.


Once great nation? BaaaWaaaaHaaaaaaa!!! Weren't you the "Original Barbarians", roaming and pillaging other nations? Isn't that what made you a so called great nation? Once great nation? When was that? After stealing from others, destroying all records and claiming brilliance as your own? Isn't that where your stolen wealth comes from?

Wasn't that your plan? Desecrate other lands and cutures in order to create slaves. The only reason you're feeling the pinch of immigration is because of your eternal wicked heart still wishing to suck the life out of people and give nothing in return. Hoarding wealth and thinking your silly slaves will not rebel. As a matter of fact they aren't even rebelling. This is just the natural result of YOUR wickedness. It's unfortunate though that the ones suffering, are them and not YOU the CREATOR of this DREAD.

Oh pooh pooh it no yionger a great nation. Awwww, boo hoo hoo. You can sit on your fat ass spewing your blame the victim crap all day long, while your worthless immigrants toil away for your so called "great nation"? Seems to be pretty great for you!!!:p

So much for the Law Of Attraction. But wait. The way the Illuminati, Jesuits, Huns, SMOM blah, blah, blah....YOU!!! are going, its coming full circle. Concerned about microchips etc., why, because it's not only for the SLAVE??

You pretend to be uncomfortable, desiring to find the real culprit? Search no more!!! Anyone can see plainly see its YOU!!! But then, I geuss you already knew that.

You should give thanks youve been exposed to good hearts, rich and diverse beauty and thinking. Imagine how great these people must be, to have been so abused for so long and still manage to constantly dig deep and strive to carry themselves with dignity, class and the divine within. You have a lot to learn from them. Wow, astouding to see how such stupidity can survive so long. Then again, evil is a force that has had its way for far too long.

If indeed you are troubled, you are now only feeling an iota of what your migration to other lands did to people living in 1000% more wealth, splendour, creativity and opulence than your so called great nation ever imagined or lived!!

Want it to return to your so called great nation? Return all the wealth you stole and continue to steal; and people I am sure would be more than overjoyed to leave your cold, dank, boring, loveless, frigid country to reutrn to warmth, freedom, wealth, joy, happiness, celebrartions and opulence.

Wakey wakey youre living in a day and age of information. A brilliant mind (Johnny Cochran) once said "Truth pressed down to the earth will always rise up"!! Cease with deluding yourself and trying to delude others!!

The entire world is now aware of your so called great nations' True History!! :eek: :cool: