Why 'Good Friday'??

[r e m]

Assuming Jesus did infact die on the cross? Why would we then call it good friday?

I've read that the word 'God' may have been mistaken with 'Good', or that Jesus's death was allowed as for the greater good of mankind.

Do you even belief Jesus died for the sin of man? I guess deep down I believe in this particular scripture.

However what if (my faith tells me to call it 'conpiracy theory') would arise soon that claims to disprove this, like Jesus did not die on the cross & lived on to father children with Marry Magdalene, to go on to form the Merovingian bloodline?. How could this be held secret for over 2000 years? Where would that leave Christianity?

So hard to see the truth with all the smoke & mirrors.

Anyway I can't sleep, & would like to hear your opinions..

[ho1ogram]

Dunno all the ins and outs of Easter. Dying on the cross is supposed to symbolise Jesus giving up his life so we may be saved from sin... I suppose that is why people call it GOOD Friday, he saved our sins. Btw- whether Jesus was real or not I can tell you we aren't sinful. We just are. We are experiencing this moment and all it brings. The sin thing is just a way to make people forget that they are allready perfect and don't need to be saved. You are God r e m, an aspect of the divine, just like everyone. Our world seems dark because we think we aren't worthy and powerful. There is no saviour and no need for one, because there is nothing to be saved from and you can do no wrong. Being 'wrong' is just an experience, same with feeling guilt and other emotions, they are just experiences and that is all we are doing on earth..experiencing.

We are individual aspects of the Creator/God/Universal Spirit. There is nothing to learn or that has to be done... just remember who you are... a part of the ALL THAT IS, EVER WAS AND EVER SHALL BE. Because that is all there is.

The past is gone, the future is not here, this moment is all that there is. INFINITY

This may be why fish is eaten on Friday's by the believers. From The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects by Barbara G. Walker about the VESICA PICSIS

The ancients insisted that women's sexual secretions smelled like fish, which is why the sign of the yoni came to be called vesica piscis. One of the Hindu titles of the Great Goddess was "a virgin named Fishy Smell, whose real name was Truth." Particularly in her Love-goddess aspect, the ancient Mother was associated with fish, seashells, seawater, salt, ships and fishermen. She often appeared in mermaid form with a fish tail, or even two fish tails like the medieval Siren. In her honour, fish were eaten on Friday, which was her official day, named after Freya, her Scandanavian incarnation. (Latins called it the Day of Venus) Thus it was - and in some areas still is - believed that fish are aphrodisiac food.


More on the vesica picsis here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2368 post #3 and #32 if your interested.

Love,
h.

[r e m]

Yea, I belief in all that stuff too, I just can't fully replace the teachings of the Holy Bible. like Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Implying that the simple belief in Jesus the Son of God, & the one true creator of all, which we're all apart. Insures our place in eternal paradise. I just really don't think He/She God, eternal consciousness, isn't asking much, but just to remember the gift we're given.

I don't ever entertain the notion that we're born into sin or original sin etc, IMHO there's things in the Bible that don't ring true, we just can't hastefully dismiss the whole lot.

We can't get so ignorant to think that we're all that is & nothing is a level higher than us.

Yea, the sacred fish.. well we all evolved from fish, & wasn't Jesus depicted as a fish in Egyptian mythology? I can still follow a Darwin theory of evolution, which has no doubt been influenced in the past, & still keep my beliefs of the Son the Father & the holy spirit.

Dunno I'm so tired, I've been for days with very little sleep..(so I'm probably no making much sense, I just hope you get my drift)

[r e m]

I had to write that crap above out twice :mad: (God bless it) the first attempt dissapeared somewhere, never to be seen again.

Anyway I'll simplify :- I just wanna kno who here believes that Jesus died (for whatever reason) on the cross. Or did he live on ?? :)

[ho1ogram]

Yea, I belief in all that stuff too, I just can't fully replace the teachings of the Holy Bible.
If you say you can't then you can't.

r e m:
We can't get so ignorant to think that we're all that is & nothing is a level higher than us.


ho1ogram:
We are individual aspects of the Creator/God/Universal Spirit. There is nothing to learn or that has to be done... just remember who you are... a part of the ALL THAT IS, EVER WAS AND EVER SHALL BE. Because that is all there is.


We can't get so ignorant to think that we're all that is & nothing is a level higher than us.

We are multi dimensional beings that stretch throughout the levels. Right now we are focused on this level. We have gotten so ignorant we think we need saving. There is something higher than us.. and it is us! Another aspect of Oneness.

Anyway I'll simplify :- I just wanna kno who here believes that Jesus died (for whatever reason) on the cross. Or did he live on ??
I grew up in a Catholic family, my mother still goes to church many times a week. I have read that Jesus was real and did die on the cross, I have also read that he never existed. I now know it doesn't matter. It is how you interpret the information that gives it a bearing on your life. If he lived or not, if he died on the cross or not, how does it affect you? ;)
Cheers, h.

[john white]

"Good Friday" for a sacrifice of course

Yea, I belief in all that stuff too, I just can't fully replace the teachings of the Holy Bible.

Why would you need to replace anything? Its more a question of a self imposed barrier against looking beyond. Lots of good stuff in the bible, but as a blueprint for all of spirituality, it has its limitations

[ho1ogram]

What he said ^^^ :)

[debs]

"I AM the way, the truth and the life". Interesting that you should quote this, one of the most profound statements in the New Testament. Whether Jesus actually said it or not is irrelevant. But the words get to the absolute core of who we are, the essential I AM-NESS of Being, beyond the realm of form. The Truth is that we are not of form, i.e. our ego, but infinite consciousness that is awareness of form.

Perhaps lovely people we have touched upon a good message for Easter. Enjoy your form-based Easter eggs :)

[friendsinthesky]

Jesus did die for the sin of man, if you visit any church today, you'll see the masses of sheep flocking to the alter and confess their sins.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[jinjo5]

Assuming Jesus did infact die on the cross? Why would we then call it good friday?

I've read that the word 'God' may have been mistaken with 'Good', or that Jesus's death was allowed as for the greater good of mankind.

Do you even belief Jesus died for the sin of man? I guess deep down I believe in this particular scripture.

However what if (my faith tells me to call it 'conpiracy theory') would arise soon that claims to disprove this, like Jesus did not die on the cross & lived on to father children with Marry Magdalene, to go on to form the Merovingian bloodline?. How could this be held secret for over 2000 years? Where would that leave Christianity?

So hard to see the truth with all the smoke & mirrors.

Anyway I can't sleep, & would like to hear your opinions..
Its GOOD for Easter eggs manufacturers.:rolleyes:

[r e m]

:D debs, delicious Easter eggies all round :D

& thanks for all your input everyone.

john white - What you've quoted me on was in response to ho1ogram & really has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread - I'm in no way posing the Bible as a "blueprint for all of spirituality" as you put it. Why not instead of quoting the first line of my response to someone else, then taking it right out of context. Try reading the whole thread, let it juggle around ya heed a little, then perhaps share you thoughts/veiws or opinions relating to the threads qestions? & also I was extremely tired, so suck a spelling mistake! :)

john white
"Good Friday" for a sacrifice of course What set the Jewish Pharisees & Romans against Jesus was his emphasis on moral sincerity rather than strict adherence to religious rituals. Jesus was perceived as a threat for being a 'Messianic pretender'. While being crusified Jesus called out "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" Further more all of this was prophesied, & therefore in-tune with the grand design.

ho1ogram, believing one way or the other is very important for me, I've had a similar up-bringing in churches. Although alot of the gospel preaching just didn't wash with me.. I was able to easily adopt the idea of a one God of all creation & that He/She sent us a teacher (as guidence) in the form of his Son, Jesus Christ. Throughout my life I've constantly reafirmed my connection with God.. & now I really feel it's true deep down in my core.

But your probably right that it doesn't really matter in the giant universal scheme of things if we believe or not..(this however doesn't feel right for me) Yet I respect your belief.

I just think it has to be 'yay or nay' not some shade of grey. Even purely to have a 'mind in a whole'.

Aslo ho1ogram where did you read Jesus didn't exsist? I mean He even appears in the Qur'an as the Messiah?

Forget the sin of man crap friendinthesky, I strongly feel Jesus was real & gifted to us as a great master/teacher as guidence for all peoples.

jinjo5
Its GOOD for Easter eggs manufacturers.
Hahahaha! that's shear brilliance :D Love it!

[ho1ogram]

ho1ogram, believing one way or the other is very important for me, I've had a similar up-bringing in churches. Although alot of the gospel preaching just didn't wash with me.. I was able to easily adopt the idea of a one God of all creation & that He/She sent us a teacher (as guidence) in the form of his Son, Jesus Christ. Throughout my life I've constantly reafirmed my connection with God.. & now I really feel it's true deep down in my core.

But your probably right that it doesn't really matter in the giant universal scheme of things if we believe or not..(this however doesn't feel right for me) Yet I respect your belief.

I just think it has to be 'yay or nay' not some shade of grey. Even purely to have a 'mind in a whole'.

Aslo ho1ogram where did you read Jesus didn't exsist? I mean He even appears in the Qur'an as the Messiah?


G'day r e m

what is important to you is all that matters.

David Icke has written in his books that Jesus never existed. I did a quick search on the net for a couple of links to others who say he never existed.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/relig.htm

http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd.html

A lot of people feel he never existed and that he is a product of ancient sun worshipping cults... son = sun.

Seamus (I think it was him) posted a great link to a site with a slidewhow but I have forgotten at the moment where it is.

For me it doesn't matter if he existed or not because I know I am a part of God, a part of the Oneness... for me, the origins of words and teachings aren't important, what is important is the wisdom of the words and teachings. Like what debs said in her post.

You say you feel a deep connection to God and it's true deep down in your core... I say bring that feeling to the surface and live with it everyday.

But your probably right that it doesn't really matter in the giant universal scheme of things if we believe or not..(this however doesn't feel right for me) Yet I respect your belief.

I just think it has to be 'yay or nay' not some shade of grey. Even purely to have a 'mind in a whole'.

Thank you, i respect your belief too.
As for the yay or nay, I feel that the rational mind ties us up trying to decipher the unknowable... and so we miss the little voice inside that can guide us to a greater truth. The ratonal mind wants to know who the creator is and then who created the creator and so on... the higher self, spirit, knows that it is already an aspect of the creator... the mind wants to prove once and for all that jesus was a real person or not, but our spirit knows that it is the wisdom in the stories about jesus that are important, not whether he actually lived or not.

I think people will be able to argue the evidence for and against his being a real character for eternity....after all the story is two thousand years old, it's pretty hard to sort the wheat from the chaff after all this time.

Have you read Converations with God by Neale Donald Walsh? They (God and Neale) tackle this question. There is a link to a thread on the books here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793

I hope I haven't muddied your thread, it wasn't my intention.
Love, h.

[john white]

I'm in no way posing the Bible as a "blueprint for all of spirituality" as you put it.

No you didnt. I did. I write what I want to write when and where I want to write it to say whatever I want to write about

Its not all about you! (LOL!)

[r e m]

God spare me john white.. don't turn it into a social issue/erroneous zone.

I merely responded to your strange little analysis of 1 particular sentence.. nothing under-lying buddy.. As you point out you have freedom of speech, all is fine then.

I'm coming from about as far from the rational/cerebral cortex as possible.. A true feeling with great clarity of a one true creator of all realities, who has sent many teachers/masters & Jesus/E(I)mmanuel (whatever you prefer) WAS ONE OF THEM!!!

Now you mention it I do remember Icke proclaiming Jesus was a myth (although he doesn't hammer the fact home as such a claim would warrant) Don't confuses the Master Jesus, apart of the holy trinity, as a pagan sun God. Icke also says he's on a journey & it's a constant path of discovery, & as you guys would agree we should all exercises intuition too find our own truth. (not implying that it has to be different from everyone else's or mainstream for that matter)

Yep I've read & own CWG 1, 2 & 3. I've read a few of Icke's books (infinite love, reptilian agenda) & bites of others. Been a member of ATS since 2000 & that's what lead to Icke. I've found Icke's books real informative, yet they're also very heavy reading, jam packed with references etc.. & to be honest (with my meager 138 IQ) I've found them hard going, but interesting. So much of what I've researched on Icke has been online, audio or video. & I'm quite open to the fact that I don't have all of Icke's 'theories' at hand. I'm also a strong believer in taking time away from this stuff, As Icke says, take a step back a few deep breathes & really look at it. So it's healthy, stay centred, get out, get in the rhythm of life.. come back & then see what feels right for you.

I cannot explain how strongly I feel that what I've gathered so far of Icke's Theories, a FEW require a leap of faith or huge jump into certain conclusions.

So life's but a dream ay? expose the dream world we believe to be true? Is this where sharp intuition leads? Does all this conspiracy stuff perhaps change your perceptions along the way? I sense it does.

Well reality in a way is a dream.. but simply because our metaphysical world is greatly influenced by our subconscious minds. Like that "if a tree falls in the woods, & no ones around to witness it, does it make a sound?" & just simply because it's not perceived by anything doesn't make it any less real, We can't prove it with evidence, but we know that science tells us sound is a radio frequency wave & the tree is simply reacting to the new condition & has to have a energy output when falling. & I'm not alone in this belief & so it is reality. However I submit to you if enough people believe it would NOT make a single sound (no energy reaction) then this reality would completely change. (just in-case, as in it would truly no longer make a sound when not perceived)

Just like when you build a house or sand castle (no analogy intended) you must start with a solid foundation, the same applies with forming conclusions. You start with solid facts & follow the information to a definitive truth.

It's good to see people brave enough to step out of the box & clearly without fear or hesitation, claim Jesus is a myth. Yet you wait & see the future, you wait to see what happens in the year 2012, then you'll truly understand the power of our 3 part being in manifesting our 'collective reality' It's simply a 'matter' of how much like energy is out there, then you'll see how we're all responsibly. I just hope people don't stay in the fear response attitude, & call the next master another control system stripping our freedom etc.. when we've always been free!!!.. not matter what our body experiences.

I honestly respect your & any others opinions/beliefs. Yet I'm baffled how you can't use your intuition or break free from the rational mind & form a independent conclusion to the simple question THAT STILL REMAINS! 'do you believe Jesus was real?'

& yes, it doesn't matter either way, I have my belief, yet where's yours in the midst of all that generalisation of fluffy bunnies?. If we both agree it doesn't matter either way, just spill your truth then, go for whatever comes to you first maybe. But even better just contribute your little bit & avoid the 'biggies'.

Master number 11, if your into numerology. (that's right all modesty out the window!) Master teacher, Illumination, enlightenment, inspirational, idealism, intuitive, psychic, channelling, art, symbols, dreamer, revolution, drugs, prophet, mysticism, catalyst, alternative consciousness. I KNOW what's going on man.. I feel it through & through, ya' kno, how ya just know?

Peace & light Brothers.

[midwich cuckoo]

I believe that God is the sun and doesn't need to be worshipped.

Check out Jordan Maxwell's research if you haven't already.

Jordan Maxwell (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=8394844811105390386&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=jordan+maxwell&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D8394844811105390386%26q%3Djord an%2Bmaxwell&usg=AL29H22hkZYW1bpJVAw1yfb9js-mr9PCXg)

[r e m]

Thanks for your comments.

No ones mentioning worship here. But lets explore it.. before the vid loads & I may wana change my mind. :D

All matter comes from the stars/sun.. every bit of matter that we perceive & which composes our biology. but who created the heavens & Earth? God did.

[mcmenek1]

Hi rem,

I feel this whole worship thing is about us being conned into giving our energy away......Religion puts God above us.....it separates us from God......it demands that we worship God as if God is a separate entity and we have been put-on earth to worship this entity called God.

This couldn’t be further from the truth.......we are God (the oneness)......we are not here on earth to worship ourselves.....we are here to learn wisdom as parts of God (the oneness) by experiencing all there is to experience......as parts of God (the oneness) those parts who learn wisdom through experiencing......will go on to be co-creators in the universe / cosmos as parts of God (the oneness) which is infinitely expanding...........:)

Love
&
Peace

[r e m]

Think we all sort of agree there mcmenek1.

Yea I agree with all the oneness etc.. I wonder if it's like this really small stuff (not yet detected) that connects us all?

Get quite passionate about the belief in God & Jesus Christ. Just feels right to me & I can't be bothered digging up all the facts/quotes to back this up. But here goes, my understanding God simply asks us (through the Bible & direct feelings) to just believe In Him & His Son & turn our backs to the pagan 'Gods' of latter ages (as in don't worship false 'Gods' in temples oriented towards the sun/east). & just accept that we're not perfect, as displayed (we could probably blame everything on an extra-dimensional race of beings here that have manipulated our DNA/evolution) & just repent. Then all shall be forgiven even the most wickedest of lives. I just really don't think He's asked much of us here.

ho1ogram, I've read those links, & others, that site dedicated to Jordan Maxwell raised some interesting similarities in same places. It can no-way sway the mountains of evidence that he did exist though. It seems more like just a handful of coincidences & quite possible just the nature of reality how it always shows a sort of geometrical pattern & the Holy Trinity (which is Gods signature!) that's how you know, can't you read his signs?, Father Son & the Holy Ghost, Mind, Body, Spirit & Father, Mother, & Child etc.. Not just Father, Holy Spirit then full stop. I'm not saying everything is 100% fact in the Bible or that just because it's written so shall it unfold (we still play a major role in shaping our future). Parts of the Bible are prophetic, & others are symbolic. Like you guys say it's the message that's important..(what about the most important messenger of all though?) Wouldn't the 'powers of evil' have enough influence on man with a smiteful God, without getting His Son involved? why would 'they' want you to believe this? to impose fake beliefs? If we see Jesus as a master teacher to aspire towards (as guidence to mankind) with great teachings & ethics (a sort of old-age guru) we would see the 'powers of evil' do everything they can to make us deny or disbelieve in Him. Maybe 'they' were sloppy & let such great wisdom, selflessness, compassion & power, pass down the generations unsuppressed.

I do appreciate that the 'negative powers' have twisted truth into lies & lies into truth regarding God, Jesus Christ & religion in general. It's easy to see how the belief in a smiteful God or Sun that doesn't rise can control man. Through thousands of years, numerous translations the collective books of the Bible has probable been munipulated. I just reckon Satan uses his little tricks of ritualistic symbols & false worshipping. & God in full control gives us clues sends us messages, & in all probabilty sends to us our Saviour Lord Jesus Christ (although that's not what He was probably called). But then again I'm no Biblical scholar or theologian.

But lets entertain the idea :- maybe He didn't exist, would it even be of significance, when the majority of the population (especially now) belief that He did?

This thread has started out exploring 'good friday' why it's called that, what we believe of Jesus & evolved into the questions if he died for us or even exsited at all. So we may iswell contiune.. cos' here's the acid test!

CHALLENGE - Can anyone actually write the words? 'I don't believe Jesus Christ existed' Think it often, say it aloud (see how you feel).

[midwich cuckoo]

'I don't believe Jesus Christ existed.' :) I find it very easy to say.

I believe that various other highly advanced species exist and these are the gods, angels, devils and demons of the bibles/holy books. They altered our DNA maybe to better control us. I feel that bibles and religions are all about contolling us to suit their needs.

[tinmenace]

'I don't believe Jesus Christ existed.' :) I find it very easy to say.

I believe that various other highly advanced species exist and these are the gods, angels, devils and demons of the bibles/holy books. They altered our DNA maybe to better control us. I feel that bibles and religions are all about contolling us to suit their needs.

Exactly!

[john white]

We can find oneness through Christ: or any of the others who man knows as messengers. Whether they are more archytpes or men is a truth for everyone to discover for themselves, becuase it is the only view that counts (as it is the view we exist from). We can find oneness through every path, including cold science: I really dont mind, yet I do feel that to make progress, we must find oneness. Anything that fosters unity is something of considerable interest to me

[tinmenace]

We can find oneness through Christ

You know, you might have a point there, but the Catholics and the Protestants couldn't find oneness through Christ...so, I don't think so...

We don't have to find oneness. It's already there, we just have to allow ourselves be it.

[timestop24]

We can find oneness through Christ: or any of the others who man knows as messengers. Whether they are more archytpes or men is a truth for everyone to discover for themselves, becuase it is the only view that counts (as it is the view we exist from). We can find oneness through every path, including cold science: I really dont mind, yet I do feel that to make progress, we must find oneness. Anything that fosters unity is something of considerable interest to me

Doesn't science say that all life is related as a whole, everything dependent on each other?:cool:

[john white]

You know, you might have a point there, but the Catholics and the Protestants couldn't find oneness through Christ...so, I don't think so...

We don't have to find oneness. It's already there, we just have to allow ourselves be it.

Well thats "finding Oneness by not finding/stopping finding Oneness" I suppose:D ' Course any description of Oneness using language will always be paradoxical if we choose to see it that way. And within all religions/spirtual paths/spiritual non-paths the range of individuals experiance is always vast, no matter what the nature of that religion etc appears to be when looked upon as a whole

Perhaps buddallah wills it so

[a fine naked fellow]

Hi john, I’m one.
And you will find me everywhere you care to look,
But first only within. Cheerio.

[john white]

Absolutely matey, and right joyful it is too! Your in me too brother

[john white]

Doesn't science say that all life is related as a whole, everything dependent on each other?:cool:

Ultimately, what else can science say?

[r e m]

Originally Posted by john white
We can find oneness through Christ: or any of the others who man knows as messengers. Whether they are more archytpes or men is a truth for everyone to discover for themselves, becuase it is the only view that counts (as it is the view we exist from). We can find oneness through every path, including cold science: I really dont mind, yet I do feel that to make progress, we must find oneness. Anything that fosters unity is something of considerable interest to me

Right on!!!

I agree with being one with everything, because I feel it's one of those deep sacred truths, which probably our spirit only can fully realize.

I'm not a Christian, Roman Catholic, Judaist or any other mainstream religion. I just find the belief in God & Jesus very empowering. Must admit though the deeper I dig the more skeletons in the closet I find. I do remember Icke going over this stuff, but can't even recall if it was a video or book (thanks substance abuse!). Yet I'm still firm on the belief, because what harm could it do?.

As you guys point out it doesn't really matter what we choose to believe in, just whatever works best for us to evolve into our full potential.

Appreciate all your thoughts, thanks.

I seem to end up on here rather sleep deprived, I just hope I've come across with enough coherency to be understood.

God bless.

[ho1ogram]

CHALLENGE - Can anyone actually write the words? 'I don't believe Jesus Christ existed' Think it often, say it aloud (see how you feel).

Thanks for the challenge. I said it loud and often last night on my nightly walk.. and I felt great! It helped to further strip away the catholic guilt and shame and paranoia that I was still dragging around... I'ts still hard to believe the shit that my mind has attached itself to from all those f'n years of being dragged to church for the weekly indoctrination, on top of living within a catholic structure... family and all their friends withg the same beliefs, dogmas and screwups..
cheers r e m, it did me some good :)

[r e m]

Damn.. I was hoping to convert ya! :D

[tonto o_reilly]

Thanks for the challenge. I said it loud and often last night on my nightly walk.. and I felt great! It helped to further strip away the catholic guilt and shame and paranoia that I was still dragging around... I'ts still hard to believe the shit that my mind has attached itself to from all those f'n years of being dragged to church for the weekly indoctrination, on top of living within a catholic structure... family and all their friends withg the same beliefs, dogmas and screwups..
cheers r e m, it did me some good :)

Aint it great to rid oneself of all the baggage. it makes the journey much lighter :) Good on you.

[r e m]

Oh come on man, not everyone is burdened with having the belief in Jesus.

[friendsinthesky]

Oh come on man, not everyone is burdened with having the belief in Jesus.

Speak for yourself man! Today, I had lunch with jesus and his followers, we had lamb on a spit and - jesus it was lovely. Although, I did pass on the red wine.(I think it was lambs blood):eek:

[turquoisefyre]

good friday my ass,

first, on my way to london, i ran over some unfortunate whatever it was, and them my car broke down and is now ready for the scrapheap...:mad:

[r e m]

Speak for yourself man! Today, I had lunch with jesus and his followers, we had lamb on a spit and - jesus it was lovely. Although, I did pass on the red wine.(I think it was lambs blood):eek:

I hope you gave thanks to the Lord for taking within that nutritional sustenance, God knows you would've plenty of time while it cooked. (Just since it was the meat of a lamb). ;)

[tinmenace]

A little off topic but relevant to the last few posts, I think. My cousin, a lifelong Mormon, told me a couple of years ago that he had an awakening and has disassociated himself with his church. He's no dummy either. He's a super smart guy with a lot of soul, but I never disrespected his religious choices.

So, dogma can be pretty powerful and I'm happy for him that at the age of 40-something he was able to escape it all. I see him struggle with some issues, but that's just the residue of his programming.

So, let's not underestimate the power of dogma and programming. It's a bloody terrible thing for some to escape...and kudos to those that have the courage and strength to do it!

[king]

Good Friday" for a sacrifice of course

that is interesting...because when i watched CNN news report last Friday about how Vatican celebrates 'Good Friday' I noticed bunch of lit up candles amongst the length and width of a cross that made a perfect burning cross!!!
this reminded me of how KKK (that is a masonic organization) puts the cross on the fire.

of course, CNN anchor remarked that this was a "beautiful sight"




anyone knows what burning cross is really suppose to represent?

[oceanwave]

CHALLENGE - Can anyone actually write the words? 'I don't believe Jesus Christ existed' Think it often, say it aloud (see how you feel).
Thanks for the challenge. I said it loud and often last night on my nightly walk.. and I felt great! It helped to further strip away the catholic guilt and shame and paranoia that I was still dragging around... I'ts still hard to believe the shit that my mind has attached itself to from all those f'n years of being dragged to church for the weekly indoctrination, on top of living within a catholic structure... family and all their friends withg the same beliefs, dogmas and screwups..
cheers r e m, it did me some good :)

...looks like you 'nailed' that particular 'demon' ho1ogram...

;)

[kha zarr]

A sacrifice to venus [frica's day]?

http://www.fi.edu/time/Journey/OnceUponATime/daysofweek.htm

Assuming venus is involved, this brings to my mind the concept of 'morning star' [venus] which needless to say brings up a resemblance to the god prometheus, [lucifer can mean light-bearer, or morning star] who stole light/fire from the gods to share w/humans, who he had empathy for.

perhaps sun of god, in this context, might mean he is venus - the son of the sun [morning star]. Just another guess in the wind. But, on the contrary side of things, theres a site that emphatically denies morning star and lucifer mean the same thing, such as here - I suppose 'light bearer' and 'morning star' or day star can be two totally different things, and admit to knowing very little latin. Anyone know latin who can say w/certainty if they are the same??

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm

Its certainly interesting to me. I'm not sure what to think about all of it, exactly, but it seems suspicious that there need be so so so so much symbolism around all of it, the likelihood of deception would seem to increases [twelve signs of zodiac, planets etc].

But since the crucifixion occurred on a Friday [Frica's day], is it a sacrifice TO venus, or a symbol of the way venus behaved on that particular friday, on that particular date? That is to say, is there any way we can, w/certainty, be able to say that there were elements of the government or the judaiac priesthood at that time which planned for it to be 'on a certain day?'

This site says it was on wednesday [mercury day] and NOT on friday:

http://www.thercg.org/articles/ccwnof.html

anyways....lot of differing opinions of course - lot of symbols. maybe if he was a 'god' [alien] then he knew to place himself w/in that construct so people would recognize and respect him as a deity, since people into conventional [hidden polytheism and fear = love ideology] religions went by symbols more than actual deeds at that time, and sorcery and sophisticated charlatanism also on earth already existed in plentiful supply. Slim chance but not impossible that JC was the real deal. But certainly not easily provable. Theres plenty of symbols that sure make it seem like he was a myth, like the Greek/Roman Gods - unless he truly, like the Greek/Roman gods, existed as an emissary who spoke against their unjust laws [Annunaki], and for truth [reality of reincarnation, covered up, do a search on Michael Cecil]. Its possible that the words of fear instead of love were 'written' into his dialogue by redactors [not his words] but things like this are hard to prove w/o some sort of evidence to show certain ideas were or were not his words [speaking of what was said by Jesus in the NT]. Truly a multitude of possibilities exist here, including that one may not necessarily be able to *easily* explain Jesus away as a myth, without also doing so for Greek/Roman/Babylonian/Sumerian gods as well. It may well all go back to this. For now they seem like myths to me.