GWS Taken down!

[hagbard_celine]

"The Global Warming Swindle" has been taken down by Google video. The link on Davidicke.com headlines is dead. However it is now available at a new location: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467&q=global+warming+swindle As the poster warns, download it before it's borked! Global warming scepticism is being supressed and at the same time, the offical story is being boosted with scaremongering propanganda like this: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=39520879762623193&q=global+dimming Funny how Google vid don't try to take this one down eh?

[pollock]

Thanks, Im hurrying to download it before it dissapears again!

F

[phoenixchilde]

As the poster warns, download it before it's borked! Global warming scepticism is being supressed and at the same time, the offical story is being boosted with scaremongering propanganda like this: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=39520879762623193&q=global+dimming Funny how Google vid don't try to take this one down eh?

What? Global warming skepticism is being supressed? On what fucking planet? The US government is still in full public denial about global warming. Dubya and all of his cronies still refuse to do anything to stop global warming, or even admit that it's happening. What in god's name would cause you to be skeptical about global warming? I suppose you're going to tell me that we just had a real winter, and all those warm January days were in just in my(and everyone else's) imagination.

[awakensong]

This is just an observation, but one I keep having to make. It seems there are those who believe the global warming scare is part of the plan to dupe us into accepting a One World Government and that it isn't real, in which case people might do well to ignore them. Then there are those who believe that the same "powers" are actually spurring us on to pollute and destroy our own planet, for the same result - so they can tell us we need "them" to take care of everybody "their way", in which case people would definitely do well to stop participating in the activities that are producing this catastrophe.

It seems very clear that the environment is changing drastically. Whether this is a man-made event or is automatically cyclical will be debated forever, it appears. Perhaps it is both.

The earth has been unstable ever since world leaders began testing atomic bombs in the mid-20th century. It doesn't seem feasible to ignore that chemtrails, factory emissions, auto emissions, watershed pollution, and the plethora of other disastrous human mindlessness and apathy, are wreaking havoc on nature and its ability to sustain life here.

Here is just the opening paragraph which bluestar has posted in the Political Manipulation section, an article by Diane Harvey:


Global Totalitarianism and the Death of Nature

Part I


By Diane Harvey


The relentlessly purposeful relationship between the dark ruling minds of Earth and the agonizing death of the natural world is mystifying. What could possibly motivate the present owner-operators of this globe to allow planetary life-support systems to degrade into a state of toxic shock? The death- throes of nature intensify, yet the fatally destructive human operations causing this continue unabated on all levels, as if this was not happening, and as if this unfortunate state of affairs had nothing to do with human life. We must ask ourselves if those powerful and secretive men at the helm of this sinking ship, and therefore ultimately responsible for the massive poisoning of an entire planet, have therefore genuinely lost their minds. We wonder if such ardent devotees of greed have finally been overwhelmed and driven mad altogether by such a demonic master-vice. Are the ruling powers of this planet adrift then, without so much as the crudest rudder of self-preservation for guidance? Are we being carried along in a slipstream of utterly reasonless chaos, toward an irreversible fall into the abyss?

[midwich cuckoo]

Down with Google video!.

Use http://www.livevideo.com/ instead, the GWS is there along with loads of other great videos. :cool:

[edelweiss pirate]

What? Global warming skepticism is being supressed? On what fucking planet? The US government is still in full public denial about global warming. Dubya and all of his cronies still refuse to do anything to stop global warming, or even admit that it's happening. What in god's name would cause you to be skeptical about global warming? I suppose you're going to tell me that we just had a real winter, and all those warm January days were in just in my(and everyone else's) imagination.

It's bad science. ... In fact it is global warming (a natural phenomenon originating from the sun) which cause increased carbon dioxide production from the oceans.. Not the other way round.

Great vid thanks!

[midwich cuckoo]

The way I see it is that the universe has 'seasons', everything goes in cycles, global warming is happening on other planets too!, somehow I don't think we are responsible.

How do you think we have ice ages and hot periods?.

It's all a natural part of the universe aka God.

However, cutting down on all pollution can only be a good thing. ;)

[phoenixchilde]

It's bad science. ... In fact it is global warming (a natural phenomenon originating from the sun) which cause increased carbon dioxide production from the oceans.. Not the other way round.

I may not be a chemist, but water, which is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen can't create carbon dioxide, which is a combination of carbon and oxygen. There are also a high number of underwater plants that are continually creating oxygen and absorbing carbon dioxide, which is part of photosynthesis. Same thing that the above water plants are doing.

BTW, when you breathe, you're breathing in oxygen, and out carbon dioxide. So does every other animal on this planet. And the natural bi-product of combustion is also carbon dioxide, and sometime carbon monoxide, which is also poisonous to living organisms.

[phoenixchilde]

However, cutting down on all pollution can only be a good thing. ;)

Agreed. The only possible reason I can see for denouncing the calls for pollution cutbacks are the jackasses who are afraid to give up their Escalades and Hummers.

[hagbard_celine]

What? Global warming skepticism is being supressed? On what fucking planet? The US government is still in full public denial about global warming. Dubya and all of his cronies still refuse to do anything to stop global warming, or even admit that it's happening. What in god's name would cause you to be skeptical about global warming? I suppose you're going to tell me that we just had a real winter, and all those warm January days were in just in my(and everyone else's) imagination.

Believe me, Dubya and his cronies will jump right on the bandwagon as soon as fuel rationing, enforced birth control and carbon tax are a serious proposition. The US administration's indifference is helping to fan the fires of "something must be done!"

Yes, the world is getting warmer, but as this programme shows the world has always gone through temperature fluctuations; it's natural. What is NOT natural is the measures proposed to stop global warming: population reduction, duming chemicals into the atmosphere (well that's started already with chemtrails), nuclear power which creates REAL pollution.

[hagbard_celine]

This is just an observation, but one I keep having to make. It seems there are those who believe the global warming scare is part of the plan to dupe us into accepting a One World Government and that it isn't real, in which case people might do well to ignore them. Then there are those who believe that the same "powers" are actually spurring us on to pollute and destroy our own planet, for the same result - so they can tell us we need "them" to take care of everybody "their way", in which case people would definitely do well to stop participating in the activities that are producing this catastrophe.

It seems very clear that the environment is changing drastically. Whether this is a man-made event or is automatically cyclical will be debated forever, it appears. Perhaps it is both.

The earth has been unstable ever since world leaders began testing atomic bombs in the mid-20th century. It doesn't seem feasible to ignore that chemtrails, factory emissions, auto emissions, watershed pollution, and the plethora of other disastrous human mindlessness and apathy, are wreaking havoc on nature and its ability to sustain life here.

Here is just the opening paragraph which bluestar has posted in the Political Manipulation section, an article by Diane Harvey:

Fear of global warming is a big part of justifying more authoritarian state and corporate control. Nearly everyone's heard about it now, but how many people are told that all the other planets in the solar system are warming up too? Are the Martians and Jovians using fossil fuels? How often do we hear that eh?

[hagbard_celine]

The way I see it is that the universe has 'seasons', everything goes in cycles, global warming is happening on other planets too!, somehow I don't think we are responsible.

How do you think we have ice ages and hot periods?.

It's all a natural part of the universe aka God.

However, cutting down on all pollution can only be a good thing. ;)

I completely agree. We live in a cyclical universe.

I also agree that global warming denial is not an excuse to stop worrying about pollution; just the opposite. The anti-global warming lobby are the ones not caring about polution! They're so obsessed with carbon dioxide that they don't care any more about oil slicks, mercury, sulpher dioxides, radioactive leaks: i.e REAL pollution!

[hagbard_celine]

What? Global warming skepticism is being supressed? On what fucking planet? I suppose you're going to tell me that we just had a real winter, and all those warm January days were in just in my(and everyone else's) imagination.

Do you live in Europe, Phoenixchild? If the official climate models are correct then the rising global temperatures should be making Europe colder, not hotter. This is to do with the weakening of the Gulf Stream caused by higher levels of meltwater from the poles lowering the salinity of the Atlantic ocean. The current of hot water from the Carribean is what keeps Europe nice and balmy while Newfoundland freezes on the same lattitude. The warmer weather in Britain leads me to doubt that these models are correct.

[phenylamine]

I may not be a chemist, but water, which is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen can't create carbon dioxide, which is a combination of carbon and oxygen. There are also a high number of underwater plants that are continually creating oxygen and absorbing carbon dioxide, which is part of photosynthesis. Same thing that the above water plants are doing.

BTW, when you breathe, you're breathing in oxygen, and out carbon dioxide. So does every other animal on this planet. And the natural bi-product of combustion is also carbon dioxide, and sometime carbon monoxide, which is also poisonous to living organisms.

well I'm in organic chemistry right now,so let me clue ya in on why the oceans would produce carbon dioxide when it gets hotter.Water and all other liquids absorb gasses more readily,and hold more,the cooler they are(its the opposite with solids,hotter dissolves more,colder less).So a cooler ocean absorbs more gasses from the atmosphere than a warmer ocean(its not that the ocean itself produces it),so when the oceans heat up they cant hold as much carbon dioxide(or any other gasses)so the gasses are released and back into the atmosphere they go.This is a no brainer,just the way things work.However I'm just giving you the facts about the relationship between gasses and liquids,I myself tend to believe that man made global warming is probably real,but who knows.One thing I do know is that you shouldn't just spout crap without knowing the facts yourself.Peace.

[premasai]

What? Global warming skepticism is being supressed? On what fucking planet? The US government is still in full public denial about global warming. Dubya and all of his cronies still refuse to do anything to stop global warming, or even admit that it's happening. What in god's name would cause you to be skeptical about global warming? I suppose you're going to tell me that we just had a real winter, and all those warm January days were in just in my(and everyone else's) imagination.


Something is definitely happening with the weather, but is is because of global warming? Or even if global warming is really happening are the official causes the real ones?
See this. How weather is being manipulated. Do you still think that the warm January was caused by global warming?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1156801777655314114

[mrguitarbear]

Have you guys read the novel ' State of Fear ' by Michael Crichton ? It'll open your eyes...

[gordonfreeman]

Man, some people in California are so stupid and ignorant.....

They believe everything they see from the News *cough* and The Inconvenient Truth movie.

[_invisibleplane_]

My thoughts on global warming are..that while our globe is warming, so is the rest of the planets in the solar system, thus the effect of the sun is the main catalyst in all this, if one also looks through solar cycles/the release of solar discharges, the sun seems to be hitting a peak.

The propoganda I believe is used to take focus away from the sun/the importance of the part of the solar cycle it is at. While focusing on questionable things such as co2

Things to consider..our dna absorbs uv rays, if these uv rays were to change, one would think that could affect the state/growth of our dna.

Sun gazing has shown to increase growth of the pineal gland, the pineal gland/3rd eye is known to release DMT, 'the spirit molecule', often involved with spiritual growth experiences

could the less mystical way of explaining an ascension be that through the growth of our pineal glands/greater release of dmt, along with the expansion of our dna through absorbing increased sun energy..that we would see a significant change in our energetic state?

could this be why many secret socities/cults glorify the sun, keeping the importance of absorbing the suns rays to themselves? or one of the reasons as to why chemtrails are used, to reflect uv rays from the public, often 'elite' locations are void of any chemtrails to absorb the rays for themselves

then again..it could be planet x/nibiru coming closer to earth, that could be causing such climatic and electromagnetic changes

thoughts?

[phoenixchilde]

Fear of global warming is a big part of justifying more authoritarian state and corporate control.

Explain how no gas guzzling SUVs on the road and searching for greener forms of energy justify a more authoritarian state? The reason that the existence of global warming has been suppresed for 20 years is that the corporations are causing it.

Nearly everyone's heard about it now, but how many people are told that all the other planets in the solar system are warming up too? Are the Martians and Jovians using fossil fuels? How often do we hear that eh?

And how do you know that the scientists aren't lying about that just to cover up the truth about global warming? Have you been to any of those other planets to see the effects first hand? No, you're on this rock, and that's all you know for certain.

Do you live in Europe, Phoenixchild? If the official climate models are correct then the rising global temperatures should be making Europe colder, not hotter. This is to do with the weakening of the Gulf Stream caused by higher levels of meltwater from the poles lowering the salinity of the Atlantic ocean. The current of hot water from the Carribean is what keeps Europe nice and balmy while Newfoundland freezes on the same lattitude. The warmer weather in Britain leads me to doubt that these models are correct.

I live in Canada. Can you disregard the fact that we've been seeing more regular El Ninos for the last decade, which can be attributed to higher global temperatures?

well I'm in organic chemistry right now,so let me clue ya in on why the oceans would produce carbon dioxide when it gets hotter.Water and all other liquids absorb gasses more readily,and hold more,the cooler they are(its the opposite with solids,hotter dissolves more,colder less).So a cooler ocean absorbs more gasses from the atmosphere than a warmer ocean(its not that the ocean itself produces it),so when the oceans heat up they cant hold as much carbon dioxide(or any other gasses)so the gasses are released and back into the atmosphere they go.This is a no brainer,just the way things work.However I'm just giving you the facts about the relationship between gasses and liquids,I myself tend to believe that man made global warming is probably real,but who knows.One thing I do know is that you shouldn't just spout crap without knowing the facts yourself.Peace.

Ok, that doesn't bring me any closer to understand how that works. You just said that cooler water absorbs more gasses, but could you please explain the physics behind it?

[phoenixchilde]

By the way. To all the people who think that global warming is a myth perpetuated to further the NWO's agenda, how do you explain the conspiracy to put down the electric car? It was developed before the hybrid car, or the fuel cell car, and instead of working out the bugs to make it a viable alternative, it was dropped because the mass media told everyone that it would never work, and everyone believed them. Can you answer that?

[earthseed]

Here's the way to know truth whatever the majority is reporting it is disinfo. You think they are going to make up the Sunspot movement? Stop sunspots now! I don't think so. There's a tons of money going into this movement and careers being revived (Gore) from it. It will also rearrange the world to their liking. Less for us more for them. No one is disputing climate change here it's simply the fact that the rest of the solar system is going through changes as well. That shouldn't be ignored. Yes we have polluted we have hurt ourselves and the planet. But, if you look closely you'll see that the global warming people aren't really interested in fixing that.

[friendsinthesky]

could this be why many secret socities/cults glorify the sun, keeping the importance of absorbing the suns rays to themselves? or one of the reasons as to why chemtrails are used, to reflect uv rays from the public, often 'elite' locations are void of any chemtrails to absorb the rays for themselves


Yeah probably it has truth, after all, it is them who mix hundreds of chemicals together, tell us to apply to the body, then go play in the sun. Oh and here in Australia summer has just ended, so what do we see in the news rag? Reports that sunbeds are dangerous. Well they haven't hurt me yet. But then again I don't use and abuse.

[phoenixchilde]

Yeah probably it has truth, after all, it is them who mix hundreds of chemicals together, tell us to apply to the body, then go play in the sun. Oh and here in Australia summer has just ended, so what do we see in the news rag? Reports that sunbeds are dangerous. Well they haven't hurt me yet. But then again I don't use and abuse.

You guys only heard last year that sunbeds are dangerous? Wow, we've been calling them cancer beds for years.

[phenylamine]

Explain how no gas guzzling SUVs on the road and searching for greener forms of energy justify a more authoritarian state? The reason that the existence of global warming has been suppresed for 20 years is that the corporations are causing it.



And how do you know that the scientists aren't lying about that just to cover up the truth about global warming? Have you been to any of those other planets to see the effects first hand? No, you're on this rock, and that's all you know for certain.



I live in Canada. Can you disregard the fact that we've been seeing more regular El Ninos for the last decade, which can be attributed to higher global temperatures?



Ok, that doesn't bring me any closer to understand how that works. You just said that cooler water absorbs more gasses, but could you please explain the physics behind it?

Sure thats easy to explain.There is no physics behind it,basic chemistry.I thought I explained it pretty simply but I'll try to go simpler for your sake.
Hot h2o=releases dissolved gasses
Cool h20=holds gasses,dissolves gasses

Ok but thats it,I dont have time to spoon feed you.If you still don't understand,or you do understand and doubt it or something,I'm sure even the most basic chemistry book will have this info.Probably could even be found online.This does not by any means disprove man-made global warming,I think its probably real.Just wanted you to get the facts straight,people will take you more seriously if you actually know what your talking about.

[hagbard_celine]

Explain how no gas guzzling SUVs on the road and searching for greener forms of energy justify a more authoritarian state? The reason that the existence of global warming has been suppresed for 20 years is that the corporations are causing it.



And how do you know that the scientists aren't lying about that just to cover up the truth about global warming? Have you been to any of those other planets to see the effects first hand? No, you're on this rock, and that's all you know for certain.



I live in Canada. Can you disregard the fact that we've been seeing more regular El Ninos for the last decade, which can be attributed to higher global temperatures?


I'm not a fan of gas-guzzling SUV's at all and I'e stated that global waming being wrong is NOT an excuse to stop pollution. SUV's release fumes which can damage a child's lungs, poison garden vegatables and destroy the facade of stone buildings. I'm concerned that in the legeslation to ban certain vehicles could be hidden the means to create more control and surevilance.

The oil companies will naturally have a vested interest in this idea, but they are not the pioneers nor are they the primary champions of it. Non of us know everything. In the end you'e just got to look at both sides and make your own mind up.

I don't disegard climate change. I've never questioned that we are experiencing a very warm clmiate period right now. I merely question its cause and the measures politicians are sugesting to solve it.

[phoenixchilde]

Sure thats easy to explain.There is no physics behind it,basic chemistry.I thought I explained it pretty simply but I'll try to go simpler for your sake.
Hot h2o=releases dissolved gasses
Cool h20=holds gasses,dissolves gasses

Are you serious? Where does that actually pass as logic? I ask you to explain something, all you do is restate it using dorkier terms, and try to be condascending at the same time. Don't restate your idea, explain it. There's a significant difference. If it's basic chemistry, then show me the chemical formula that proves it, or an online article from a reputable source. If it's as basic as you say, it shouldn't be that hard.

[phoenixchilde]

I'm not a fan of gas-guzzling SUV's at all and I'e stated that global waming being wrong is NOT an excuse to stop pollution. SUV's release fumes which can damage a child's lungs, poison garden vegatables and destroy the facade of stone buildings. I'm concerned that in the legeslation to ban certain vehicles could be hidden the means to create more control and surevilance.

The oil companies will naturally have a vested interest in this idea, but they are not the pioneers nor are they the primary champions of it. Non of us know everything. In the end you'e just got to look at both sides and make your own mind up.

I don't disegard climate change. I've never questioned that we are experiencing a very warm clmiate period right now. I merely question its cause and the measures politicians are sugesting to solve it.

First, I challenge you to think of a way that banning gas-guzzlers creates more control and surveillance.

Second, it's not the politicians that are suggesting these measures, it's the people who are telling the politicians to do it. Various citizens groups are lobbying the government to ban SUVs. If they bow to public pressure on this one, it will in no way hurt us. The people win, and the rich lose. Sounds good to me.

[friendsinthesky]

You guys only heard last year that sunbeds are dangerous? Wow, we've been calling them cancer beds for years.

Umm, NO, we have done the same for yrs aswell, BUT as it's the end of summer, so as per usual the media start telling us that sunbeds are not good for you. It's just the same ever year when winter comes around, "a new deadly flu coming our way, innoculate now!"...typical media dis-info.:mad:

[phoenixchilde]

Yeah, on another topic, someone connected the innoculations to the "epidemic" of fatal peanut allergies that we've seen in the last few years.

[welfarewarrior]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=286000425078890061&q

[phoenixchilde]

wtf is it with you people and google videos?

[hagbard_celine]

First, I challenge you to think of a way that banning gas-guzzlers creates more control and surveillance.


In itself it doesn't, but it can be used as a first step, the thin end of the wedge. Once the govt's representitives are comfotable with the idea of banning a certain type of vehicle, they will be less resisant to further laws such as fuel ratioing, black box controls on private vehicles, restrictions of moements etc.

[hagbard_celine]

Second, it's not the politicians that are suggesting these measures, it's the people who are telling the politicians to do it. Various citizens groups are lobbying the government to ban SUVs. If they bow to public pressure on this one, it will in no way hurt us. The people win, and the rich lose. Sounds good to me.

But this is what everyone thought when the US Federal Reserve was set up. The govt feigned being dead against it so it was seen as an anti-establishment move. I'm sure that citizens are keen to see the back of these unnesesary and damaging vehicles; I wouldn't mind, but can see through the politicians facade. Their apparen indifference may well be just a means of stirring up the public into a frenzy that they can then harnss to their agenda. Never underestimate their cunning!

I think the only fair way to ban SUV's would be if the national govt was not involved at all and only local councils did it via referenda. This would need to be attached to a clause stating that the measure would not be affiliated with any national govt act of law. A time is coming when Free Energy technology will be seized from those who currently secrete it. When this happens nobody will want an SUV because they'll be so much more expensive to run!

[amadeus]

[QUOTE=hagbard_celine;29327]But this is what everyone thought when the US Federal Reserve was set up. The govt feigned being dead against it so it was seen as an anti-establishment move.

I agree. There are so many aspects in this whole GW-warming hysteria, that it's IMO a waste of energy to try and debunk or support every little detail. Its sometimes hard to see the forest from the trees :)

I strongly suspect that those in power are playing "the game" very cunningly: playing the 'save the earth"-card and getting everybody involved, and at the same time using the created FEAR and PUBLICITY to increase CONTROL and support for their hidden agendas. The fact that they are restricting the development of the infrastructure in Africa due to the threat of GW is ridiculous.

Talking about the earth's future will always get people emotionally involved.And that's when we become easy targets for manipulation.As David Icke says:"Take a step back, and look at it again!" Just stay alert and I'm sure the future of our planet will be fantastic!

'Deliberando discitur sapientia'

-amadeus-

[phoenixchilde]

In itself it doesn't, but it can be used as a first step, the thin end of the wedge. Once the govt's representitives are comfotable with the idea of banning a certain type of vehicle, they will be less resisant to further laws such as fuel ratioing, black box controls on private vehicles, restrictions of moements etc.

I don't know about the UK, but over here, the government has been contemplating the black box idea on private vehicles already. I think their mentality is that when someone gets into an accident, you look at the black box to see who's fault it was and why. There's also the governer chip on all new vehicles, which limits the vehicle's speed, even though right now it's set for way higher than any north american speed limit.

The interesting fact is, lower speeds doesn't mean less pollution, it actually means more. The faster you drive, the less stop lights you hit, therefore less acceleration and decceleration, and thus, less pollution. If they want to decrease pollution, they should increase speed limits. Who the fuck actually drives at 40kph anyways?

[hagbard_celine]

I don't know about the UK, but over here, the government has been contemplating the black box idea on private vehicles already. I think their mentality is that when someone gets into an accident, you look at the black box to see who's fault it was and why. There's also the governer chip on all new vehicles, which limits the vehicle's speed, even though right now it's set for way higher than any north american speed limit.

The interesting fact is, lower speeds doesn't mean less pollution, it actually means more. The faster you drive, the less stop lights you hit, therefore less acceleration and decceleration, and thus, less pollution. If they want to decrease pollution, they should increase speed limits. Who the fuck actually drives at 40kph anyways?

About three quarters of car journeys in the urban envoronment are under two miles, easily within walking-range for a healthy adult. The best way to ease pollution is to walk or ride a pushbike. The Oxford bus companies have bought some new busses with two engines: one diesel and one electric. the electric one is used on its own in the city and its batteries are charged when the bus is out of town and running on its diesel. Submarines use this same combination of power-systems. But this is not a solution; it doesn't lower the pollution at all, because the enrgy used to run the electric motor in town has to be generated by the diesel engine outside town. So outside the town the bus makes twice as much pollution!

There's always a beneficial funtion to things like black boxes etc that make them seem superficially appealing. "The Criminal justice Bill has rid us of New Age Travelers", "ID cards will cure the bane of Illegal immigration and dole scroungers". "The War on Terror has made the world a safer place". "Electronic tagging protects children from kidnappers and the public from felons of probation".

But you have to ask yourself: is it worth it? I know a great way to rid yourself of headlice, guarenteed to work! And permanent:... Cut off your head! :D I'd like to see a way of making roads safer, but I'm not willing to support an energy dicatorship to pay for it.

[phoenixchilde]

About three quarters of car journeys in the urban envoronment are under two miles, easily within walking-range for a healthy adult. The best way to ease pollution is to walk or ride a pushbike.

I'm Canadian, so I don't know for the life of me what a mile is, but if it's close to 2 kilometres, then there's no excuse for not walking, unless you're carrying something heavy.

The Oxford bus companies have bought some new busses with two engines: one diesel and one electric. the electric one is used on its own in the city and its batteries are charged when the bus is out of town and running on its diesel.

Better than what we got. City of Toronto had an opportunity to buy some electric buses. Turned them down, for no reason at all. Then the federal government, the ministry of parks no less, decided that electric cars can't be used in provincial parks because they only go up to 50kph, even though the speed limits in all provincial parks is 50kph. Go figure, huh?

I'd like to see a way of making roads safer, but I'm not willing to support an energy dicatorship to pay for it.

I wouldn't go for an energy dictatorship, but banning SUVs would make me happy.

[hagbard_celine]

I wouldn't go for an energy dictatorship, but banning SUVs would make me happy.

Me too! But we need to be wary that, in our eagerness to enforce measures to protect the environment, we might not be tricked into supporting an energy dictatorship without knowing it.

[redhead]

EZ folks

Heres a link to the Great Global Warming Scandel I uploaded earlier


NOTICE


PEACE


RED

[hagbard_celine]

EZ folks

Heres a link to the Great Global Warming Scandel I uploaded earlier


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2CKB7PW8


PEACE


RED


Google vid could teach the Vatican about censorship!

Thanks for doing that, Redhead.