Money seems to be a huge issue....

[crazyman]

Since we are stuck in this Matrix.... and know whats really going on, so what are all you doing to past the time by?

I mean we all have to work for a living someway some how right? Personally I'm at my whitz end trying to earn an honest living for something that I know shouldn't really exist. And surrendering myself as being one of the gears that helps this machine work.

Don't get me wrong I like working on websites and teaching kids, I do, and my life is pretty comfortable since I started working for the company I work for, but it's just the people I either have to work with/for is what gets me pissed off. Currently I'm looking for another way to finance my ever so simplified life, and I'm constantly thinking there's gotta be an easier less stressful way to make money and live comfortably without having to worry about money.

Money shouldn't have to be such a huge issue, but it is... can anyone share how they get through having to pay ginormous amounts of money to live comfortable? I look at some of my neighbors and think what do they do for a living to afford the things that they have? Is it just another illusion? What's the answer if it is?

[cruise4]

Do what you've always done and get what you've always got!

[kezann]

In my opinion money is something that 'they' created so that they could make themselves have more of it than us.

In reality money = material resources + human hours (be they physical or mental) and there are only 24 hours in ANY person's day.

If we got rid of 'them' we could fairly trade between ourselves these commodities. There are quite a few communities who already do 'trade swap schemes'. I read in Take a Break or Chat or somewhere about a village that did it. A woman was good at cutting hair, so she cut a guys hair in exchange for her gardening done. Obviously it isn't that simplified but it is that simple. There's bob-loads of sites like Freecylce too.. That's really taking off, mainly due to the fact that humans are inherantly generous - though 'they' wouldn't have us knowing how good it feels to be kind. Noooo, teach us about war instead. Oh and numbers, shit loadsa non-makie-sensie numbers! Oooh, and whack some Shakespear in there at the age of 12 - that'll really fuck em up!

Sorry, that's Education - but see how it all ties in?

If we made our OWN choices about what our time was spent like, we could finally make use of 'phone in lines' and 'red buttons' (yeah, like 'here's the remote mate, blow your OWN brains out, we can't be arsed'). We could community-vote! Kinda 'fuck yer war mate, we'd rather have straight paths if you don't mind, maybe the odd litter bin?' It's not like we wouldn't all of a sudden have an influx of able bodies at our disposal

Currently all the 'money' sifts to the top. There's purposefully not meant to be any at the bottom, otherwise how would we clambour over our fellow human beings in order to survive? Survive, not live you understand.

But no-one but the people that invented the f*cker (pardon me, it gets me so irate) will ever EVER have it - because it isn't real. We tread on each other out of need, not want. Because from the age of four they've programmed us that this is perfectly normal behaviour. Sit in line, do your work, and you may just get out alive, but we'll have destroyed your soul well enough for you to keep on oiling the cogs because - let's face it - you aren't allowed to choose for yourself!

Tell me the logic in a £10 pay rise, when equated to a £6 council tax rise, £5 on the mortage, 50p on 4 Stella, 20p on a packet of fags, bus fares, bread, milk, petrol, insurance, furniture, utilities, income tax raises, interest rates on the bank etc etc

There isn't any, there can't be! So whilst us humans sit here perplexed, spending all our time trying to cope. The self-labelled 'Intillectual Elite' are royally taking the piss and getting away with it.

Phew! Thanks Crazyman. I needed that!

Loadsa luv 2 all
Kerry-Ann
xXx

[elysiansix]

Money is just a major of controlling the masses - keeping them on a tight string so they don't go wandering off and finding out what life's really all about.
Money = Power = Control

ANd the masses will fight (literally) anyone for a scarce resource that they need to survive and will end up destroying one another as everyone gets sucked inexorably down the plughole.

Not a happy scenario for anyone except ............. hmmmm who I wonder.

[danster82]

Money is not the problem money is a good thing its a means to exchange energy
between people, what is the problem is the manipulation of money which we have allowed. We must undo the orignal choice to give the control of money to an elite few. Anything you create that is out of alignment with gods laws must be uncreated.

People are still not looking at the problem of money and I dont know why because of all the problems this is actually an easy to see and understand physical problem.

[joanna]

money is definitely used by the PTB to control us - keep us a bit poor - a bit tired ,,, not poor enough to riot but tired enough to be controlled .. yes

Money/ fines / interest rates etc etc the whole system keeps us form our power .. keeps us in fear .. its bull+++

We do not need money - we could use other methods to exchange our services .. but money is an effective means used by those who enslave us .. it is wonderful .. FOR THEM !

money issues keeps many many of us from our power - whether ot is working in a job we hate to finance our life style or being funded by the govt to keep us from exercising our power .. the govt loves to have as many people as possible on benefits

Just look at the UK ... and what the labour idiots have been doing to keep us all subdued and controlled

question is - what are we gonna do about it

[tootrue]

Come on now
we couldn't possibly survive without money!

I mean it's not like we had an infinite potential or anything like that, now, is it? :rolleyes:

[kblood]

The keyword is: "Seems" to be :)

[guuna]

It all seems stupid to me if I really think about it.

I myself have just moved and had to give up my old job, and have been getting myself into a right fix thinking about not having enough money.

A shortage of money, a famine, a drought a shortage of eligible ladies.

How can there be a shortage of anything if it's all an illusion anyway?

[ie11]

you can ignore under the ------- 1 and the ------2 line as that goes a bit too far.
im sending 3 msgs, this is the 1st

Come on now
we couldn't possibly survive without money!

I mean it's not like we had an infinite potential or anything like that, now, is it? :rolleyes:

i wish i didnt just wish that

i wish i knew it

anyway

your sig is astounding by the way. but ive said it before havnt i?

my posts dont make sense, but ill continue in small print;

is that because there a dimension to my non-cause here that i am missing though? like somesort of compassion-development course (notwithstanding that evolution of soul, matter, ideas is illusion and i already know it.)...

... that breaks the bounds of intellectual understanding and requires the pain of going through wishing such intuits to be true to finally discovering i already knew them?

or, of, indeed, and all together now: 'caught in a trap' ... ad loop.

until its all dropped? all dropped. my pride.


Tsarion said trauma caused the ego, or that we developed-created ego to deal with the trauma (we had undergone all those eons ago).

Now, i dont know why people get their nickers in a twist about Tsarion, because such things as that are not that different to what david icke seaks about (if theres a different orientation to the whole thing though, and a difference in meaning-intention, please share your thoughts on that please). Much can be said about this kind of theory, fitting in with psychiatry of Jung;s and Freud ... and in many a cosmology (and personal life) of many a conspirasist ... what do you think? ( albiet taking this subject on a seeming tangent to the rational disconnected (i.e. unholistic) mind )

"i wish i didnt just wish that

i wish i knew it"

hahaha ... ive just realised ....
... that precisely ... [and in part of the following proof, since i dont know it then] ... [ that it actually implies that ...] ... that i dont wish that (what u wrote in your post) do i?

hahahaha ... now i have some learning to do ... (which pleases me ... ?)

thats why i see myself as sick-evil (sometimes? ... ?!) ... because for some reason 'i dont wish that'. but you see where i started dont you? (after your post) and now im here (and, re-again. thats a new word) (at this last line).

so why that? whats going on? is that right-true (that i dont wish it?) and why if so?

who am i ? why am i ? am i ? who?

ive just tried to be honest. i think its all in us.

but that could be a deception you see, and

only arriving at that having gone through twisted-like, cycle-like all the above

as it is, all in us, then let us not have to reconcile our pain or sense of injustice with it

for it being in us, must couch with similar stuff, and hence the world is wrong.

our pain caused by what the world looks like now

and people laughing, jumping, smiling, out of their place.

is that why he calls it truth against the world ?

for in feeling calm at that (taw), i can only conclude that it is that 'thing' in us, that is the thing that agrees with that (taw).

so three questions;

Is that thing - BAD? (the ancient gnostic greeks might have called it demonas, whose meaning was changed over time to something with -ve connotations)
Am i alone or unique in having that thing, and hence its a possession of somesort, and the world and nature and life, my living, itself is the "good guy" (and so that thing is bad, coz it doesnt value life too much)
or Is that thing me clinging to truth, or an uncovering of all the unneccissaryness of the world
and a return to primordial begginings?

and in those 3 questions lies the answer meaning of what is insanity-sanity

---------------1
of course i want to "change" the world, effect and influence, ... why would i post this then?

but i dont (want to influence or change you, but if so, why not?)

do i?

"Precisely" might be a good way to end this, otherwise i might use

--------------2

or is as ive noticed now after a break thinking about it all, all because my ego, i the ego, attached great importance to uncovering it, and then realising-thinking (based on esoteric influences) that i should kill it/remove it

because that wasnt truth either

but the problem was that only my ego (or that my ego) seemed to be the one wanting to do the work of killing itself

and as such, isnt that the true ultimate deception-trap? that my ego has co-opted the books i read, and for social-personal-sexual-pride reasons has usurped the path? is that it?

[ie11]

you can ignore under the ------- 1 and the ------2 line as that goes a bit too far.
im sending 3 msgs, this is the 2nd, with one extra green line to make it clear

Come on now
we couldn't possibly survive without money!

I mean it's not like we had an infinite potential or anything like that, now, is it? :rolleyes:

i wish i didnt just wish that (that we can survive without money, do not need it, and we have infinite potential)

i wish i knew it

anyway

your sig is astounding by the way. but ive said it before havnt i?

my posts dont make sense, but ill continue in small print;

is that because there a dimension to my non-cause here that i am missing though? like somesort of compassion-development course (notwithstanding that evolution of soul, matter, ideas is illusion and i already know it.)...

... that breaks the bounds of intellectual understanding and requires the pain of going through wishing such intuits to be true to finally discovering i already knew them?

or, of, indeed, and all together now: 'caught in a trap' ... ad loop.

until its all dropped? all dropped. my pride.


Tsarion said trauma caused the ego, or that we developed-created ego to deal with the trauma (we had undergone all those eons ago).

Now, i dont know why people get their nickers in a twist about Tsarion, because such things as that are not that different to what david icke seaks about (if theres a different orientation to the whole thing though, and a difference in meaning-intention, please share your thoughts on that please). Much can be said about this kind of theory, fitting in with psychiatry of Jung;s and Freud ... and in many a cosmology (and personal life) of many a conspirasist ... what do you think? ( albiet taking this subject on a seeming tangent to the rational disconnected (i.e. unholistic) mind )

"i wish i didnt just wish that

i wish i knew it"

hahaha ... ive just realised ....
... that precisely ... [and in part of the following proof, since i dont know it then] ... [ that it actually implies that ...] ... that i dont wish that (what u wrote in your post) do i?

hahahaha ... now i have some learning to do ... (which pleases me ... ?)

thats why i see myself as sick-evil (sometimes? ... ?!) ... because for some reason 'i dont wish that'. but you see where i started dont you? (after your post) and now im here (and, re-again. thats a new word) (at this last line).

so why that? whats going on? is that right-true (that i dont wish it?) and why if so?

who am i ? why am i ? am i ? who?

ive just tried to be honest. i think its all in us.

but that could be a deception you see, and

only arriving at that having gone through twisted-like, cycle-like all the above

as it is, all in us, then let us not have to reconcile our pain or sense of injustice with it

for it being in us, must couch with similar stuff, and hence the world is wrong.

our pain caused by what the world looks like now

and people laughing, jumping, smiling, out of their place.

is that why he calls it truth against the world ?

for in feeling calm at that (taw), i can only conclude that it is that 'thing' in us, that is the thing that agrees with that (taw).

so three questions;

Is that thing - BAD? (the ancient gnostic greeks might have called it demonas, whose meaning was changed over time to something with -ve connotations)
Am i alone or unique in having that thing, and hence its a possession of somesort, and the world and nature and life, my living, itself is the "good guy" (and so that thing is bad, coz it doesnt value life too much)
or Is that thing me clinging to truth, or an uncovering of all the unneccissaryness of the world
and a return to primordial begginings?

and in those 3 questions lies the answer meaning of what is insanity-sanity

---------------1
of course i want to "change" the world, effect and influence, ... why would i post this then?

but i dont (want to influence or change you, but if so, why not?)

do i?

"Precisely" might be a good way to end this, otherwise i might use

--------------2

or is as ive noticed now after a break thinking about it all, all because my ego, i the ego, attached great importance to uncovering it, and then realising-thinking (based on esoteric influences) that i should kill it/remove it

because that wasnt truth either

but the problem was that only my ego (or that my ego) seemed to be the one wanting to do the work of killing itself

and as such, isnt that the true ultimate deception-trap? that my ego has co-opted the books i read, and for social-personal-sexual-pride reasons has usurped the path? is that it?

[ie11]

the green line in the brackets in my 2nd post was added to clarify the understanding of what was to be read, but wouldnt you agree that in doing so, it looses the meaning (in such explicit statement) ? a bit like when they say; "when you say it, its gone"

which leads me to ask one last question of you, do i really mean, believe, stand by what i say at all?

[ie11]

and to reply to the orginal poster

Since we are stuck in this Matrix.... and know whats really going on, so what are all you doing to past the time by?

I mean we all have to work for a living someway some how right? Personally I'm at my whitz end trying to earn an honest living for something that I know shouldn't really exist. And surrendering myself as being one of the gears that helps this machine work.

Don't get me wrong I like working on websites and teaching kids, I do, and my life is pretty comfortable since I started working for the company I work for, but it's just the people I either have to work with/for is what gets me pissed off. Currently I'm looking for another way to finance my ever so simplified life, and I'm constantly thinking there's gotta be an easier less stressful way to make money and live comfortably without having to worry about money.

Money shouldn't have to be such a huge issue, but it is... can anyone share how they get through having to pay ginormous amounts of money to live comfortable? I look at some of my neighbors and think what do they do for a living to afford the things that they have? Is it just another illusion? What's the answer if it is?

ditto.

yes, perhaps it is. self-preservation, self-continuation is the biggest trick/illusion of them all if you want to go that way ...

money is debt.

jobs, any kind, can be seen as a type of evil in a way

making money is a mockerry to others who "need it"/dont have it, as well as to yourself in you god-consciousness

but there theres another trap of the 'using you for HIS cause / as HIS miracle vehicle' which is a connundrum in itself

i used to think about these things alot

now im just looking for a new job, after having speny 4 years doing account management/sales which it looks like im stuck in despite my education, other interests, and what i know im capable of both in mundane terms (career etc) and non-mundance (reflective "spiritual stuff") etc ...

im just too attached to smoking tabacco (which counterbalances this rational insane world for me) and self-esteem issues (of not having the guts to finally go out there on my own, by my own and do what i whim) and circumstances (which are quite materially streneous given the support i need to give to others ... and my security issues [coz i never know when im gonna pop one day, so i keep working and saving just in case, coz i dont feel comforable or confident in myself to fake it forever or embrace it till it gets all 'middle class', and my family needs me in the meantime and i want to give them a good futurev... plus more ... all the tricks my parents fell for! (and which "i so enlightened" scolded them for at the time) ] ... and it never stops .... )

but anyway - money is debt. it is. it really is.

and despite what you hear on the news, there is no real limit to our resources.

the world could have been and can be a utopia, any which number of ways ... all except the current usary one.

our real selves know this, and deep down, there is no scarcity

weve been sold, marketed, fed the "illusion of scarcity"

which is an illusion. absolutely. even if there was some kind of scarcity, "GOD" would provide for you.

a poster called "element" said something really applicable to this discussion as well, in the general section in a thread about a website (truthism.com).

Read elements short reply on the 1st page. i havnt talked about that angle here, but its very applicable. ("as a solution" if u get it).

[ie11]

crazyman

(love the name !)

here is elements post i was talking about, and his signature:

Well, the start was good.

Buf after a while, it was the same old ''some evil force has done all evil!!'' while mankind's ignorance is the biggest one responsible for evil. Body- identification and animalistic behaviour leads to ignorance, which leads to evil.
__________________
There is no difference between your soul and god.
Soul is formless and mindless. It is hidden, but it can be realized. Soul can't be proved in a world of matter. God/Soul can be realized, and through improvement you can. God is not separate from you, it IS you.


zero1 also has posted about the MONAD - which connects to this "money matrix" topic you bring up ... i believe his post was very good

[ie11]

also want to say crazy man

SALES ==> SELAS ===> "SELL US"

SELL = S for Serpent, EL, God "EL", Elohim

SELL = LESS ===> SOULESS

MARKeting

MARKet

of the BEAST.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE MARK

sales and marketing (having worked in both .... argh!!...dont know how i ended up to)

.... and another thing,

Mathew Delooze did talk about 'everytime you work, buy or sell, you are WORSHIPING EL/The Matrix (subliminally)"

well yes, these things condition subliminaly, and change you ... over time ...

so we need to unprogram, uncondition from such conditioning weve been active in (weve been manipulated to be active in through 1. the manipulation of money via usuary, 2. society's illusion of scarcity and manipulation 3. conditioning largely through fear and repetition of a "normal" identification&attachment to the body (which can be seen as a trap, a lower form weve been sucked in to, and its 'soul') and 4. our propensity to force/punish not only others and also ourselves - self fascism) and propegating ourselves (little did we know, but i did deep down i think, and stll do, and still cant "unplug"!!!) via our worship ...

...

I know this all sounds wacky, and i dont follow my own shit, but ...

i was reading http://www.nativeamericans.com/ today, the home page article:


Where Will Our Children Live...

A lonesome warrior stands in fear of what the future brings,
he will never hear the beating drums or the songs his brothers sing.

Our many nations once stood tall and ranged from shore to shore
but most are gone and few remain and the buffalo roam no more.

We shared our food and our land and gave with open hearts,
We wanted peace and love and hope, but all were torn apart.

All this was taken because we did not know what the white man had in store,
They killed our people and raped our lands and the buffalo roam no more.

But those of us who still remain hold our heads up high, and the spirits of
the elders flow through us as if they never died.

Our dreams will live on forever and our nations will be reborn, our bone and
beads and feathers all will be proudly worn.

If you listen close you will hear the drums and songs upon the winds, and in
the distance you will see....the buffalo roam again.

Submitted by Tommy Flamewalker Manasco








Native American Historical Documents

Native Americans Who Received the Nations Highest Honor - The Congressional Medal of Honor

Native Spirit Mother Earth Native Flute Mother Earth Native Flute Lone Wolf Indians First Amazing Grace in Native Language

LONG BEFORE the white man set foot on American soil, the American Indians, or rather the Native Americans , had been living in America. When the Europeans came here, there were probably about 10 million Indians populating America north of present-day Mexico. And they had been living in America for quite some time. It is believed that the first Native Americans arrived during the last ice-age, approximately 20,000 - 30,000 years ago through a land-bridge across the Bering Sound, from northeastern Siberia into Alaska . The oldest documented Indian cultures in North America are Sandia (15000 BC), Clovis (12000 BC) and Folsom (8000 BC)

Although it is believed that the Indians originated in Asia, few if any of them came from India. The name "Indian" was first applied to them by Christopher Columbus , who believed mistakenly that the mainland and islands of America were part of the Indies, in Asia.

So, when the Europeans started to arrive in the 16th- and 17th-century they were met by Native Americans , and enthusiastically so. The Natives regarded their white-complexioned visitors as something of a marvel, not only for their outlandish dress and beards and winged ships but even more for their wonderful technology - steel knives and swords, fire-belching arquebus and cannon, mirrors, hawkbells and earrings, copper and brass kettles, and so on.

However, conflicts eventually arose. As a starter, the arriving Europeans seemed attuned to another world, they appeared to be oblivious to the rhythms and spirit of nature. Nature to the Europeans - and the Indians detected this - was something of an obstacle, even an enemy. It was also a commodity: A forest was so many board feet of timber, a beaver colony so many pelts, a herd of buffalo so many robes and tongues. Even the Indians themselves were a resource - souls ripe for the Jesuit, Dominican, or Puritan plucking. U See?!?

It was the Europeans' cultural arrogance, coupled with their materialistic view of the land and its animal and plant beings, that the Indians found repellent. Europeans, in sum, were regarded as something mechanical - soulless creatures who wielded diabolically ingenious tools and weapons to accomplish mad ends. I FEEL LIKE THAT TOO

The Europeans brought with them not only a desire and will to conquer the new continent for all its material richness, but they also brought with them diseases that hit the Indians hard. Conflicts developed between the Native Americans and the Invaders, the latter arriving in overwhelming numbers, as many "as the stars in heaven". The Europeans were accustomed to own land and laid claim to it while they considered the Indians to be nomads with no interest to claim land ownership. The conflicts led to the Indian Wars , the Indian Removal Act empowered by President Andrew Jackson in 1830 and other acts instituted by the Europeans in order to accomplish their objectives, as they viewed them at the time. In these wars the Indian tribes were at a great disadvantage because of their modest numbers, nomadic life, lack of advanced weapons, and unwillingness to cooperate, even in their own defense.

The end of the wars more or less coincided with the end of the 19th century. The last major war was not really a war, it was a massacre in 1890 where Indian warriors, women, and children were slaughtered by U.S. cavalrymen at Wounded Knee , South Dakota , in a final spasm of ferocity.

A stupefying record of greed and treachery, of heroism and pain, had come to an end, a record forever staining the immense history of the westward movement, which in its drama and tragedy is also distinctively and unforgettably American.

Undersigned being an European emigrating to the U.S. during the latter part of the 20th century, cannot fully comprehend what happened during the past few centuries. I am sure many descendants of emigrants as well as many Native Americans feel the same way. We are all a product of our time and the circumstances prevalent at the time. If I had lived with the Europeans in America during the 19th century, would I have embraced what was going on then? If I had lived with the Germans in the 1930s and 40s, would I have embraced what was going on in Germany then? If I had lived in Scandinavia during medieval time witnessing the horrors of slavery and killings, would I have embraced what was going on then? (The Nordic countries practiced slavery during the middle ages, a master could for any reason kill his slave. Abolished in 1335)

These are hard questions for anyone to honestly answer. It is easy to toss around opinions now, at the end of the 20th century being conveniently removed from circumstances and conditions in a distant and foreign time.

This website will try to present as a true and accurate picture as possible of the past, but not dwell on it. However, it is important for one sole reason and that is to learn from the past and move into the 21st century as better human beings. After all, we are ONE people under God and we can only look back to the past as what it is - history. Now we attempt to cooperate to the best of our ability in the present and we are looking forward to the future for a better world. Let us once again cross the Bering land-bridge and sail the Mayflower, but this time together for the common goal of building up mutual respect and trust.

The best way to accomplish this goal, we believe, is for this website to contribute by presenting links to the most sincere, factual, reliable and honest web-sites around on this subject and let interested parties actively participate. We will try to cover all aspects of our common history in regards to the history and development of the west. You will find many Native American web-sites with an abundance of facts and sources of information here. Please join in if you think you have something to contribute!

National American Indian Heritage Month, 2004 Presidential Proclamation






and i thought, shockingly, hay maybe we are already doing exactly what the 'white man' did to the native americas ... just in our complicit partipation to worshiping the serpent ... (holding down a job in this culture/nwo)


after all, wasnt it for job/livelyhood the settlers arived? wasnt it just a job that the soldiers became soldiers?

and what are doing now?
tired. going to bed. (i have work tomorrow!)

[marpat]

money is definitely used by the PTB to control us - keep us a bit poor - a bit tired ,,, not poor enough to riot but tired enough to be controlled .. yes

Money/ fines / interest rates etc etc the whole system keeps us form our power .. keeps us in fear .. its bull+++

We do not need money - we could use other methods to exchange our services .. but money is an effective means used by those who enslave us .. it is wonderful .. FOR THEM !

money issues keeps many many of us from our power - whether ot is working in a job we hate to finance our life style or being funded by the govt to keep us from exercising our power .. the govt loves to have as many people as possible on benefits

Just look at the UK ... and what the labour idiots have been doing to keep us all subdued and controlled

question is - what are we gonna do about it

Well if you don't need money perhaps you could give all yours to charity as you clearly state you have no need for it.

Does money really keep any person away from their power? can you truly say that the spiritual force within any person is not as strong as material wealth?

[zero1]

zero1 also has posted about the MONAD - which connects to this "money matrix" topic you bring up ... i believe his post was very good

The Monad as the unifying underlying substance of reality (or "God-code") and the basic atheistic philosophical doctrine of Metaphysical Monism are what money is based on, intellectually. How it becomes Debt is obvious if you investigate this for yourself, and view it from the perspectives of morality and production & consummation.

Thanks for the compliment, Btw. :)

[ie11]

Zero 1 (thanks, and hence why i said in a previous post in another thread in reptilian section, 'either way ... fuck the monad' which is the fake God-code, the fake God, the fake underlying self-preserving assumptions of society-self-programming, who is akin to the demigorge describved by the gnostic christians, akin to the matrix david icke alludes to when he says 'its all illusion', and samsara of the buddhists (hence nirvana cant be described), and the real satan of the koran and bible)

In the middle of every SELL

there is "EL"

(sell can mean: sell, persuade, advise, to influence, prove point, advertise, show, show-off, market
and can be linked to any context; economical-financial is the first we think about, but it extends to ideas, ways of living, beliefs, attitudes, intentions, as well as other things.
Temporal energy/cover exchange as oppsed to infinitely free flowing infinite love. or am i in delusion? < that is the balance my motivation, sanity and notion of sanity/insanity rests upon)

something to think about? or is what ive just written absolute BS! or am i heavily deluded?

[dmessick]

I have the answer to all your cash worries in my sig file if you are willing to accept it, atleast until we manifest a world completely without commerce, money i.e we begin to give and receive FREELY amongst ourselves out of love. Remember also that by having a 'job', 'working for money' and banking in the system that 'they' control, regulate and manipulate you are supporting their agenda to steal your life and mine, commonly known as the SLAVE wage trap.

[ie11]

sorry deleting this post

[kanz]

Money is an issue because of the way this system works.

Money and this system arnt really the problem, its the way they are being run imho.
I love being able to go to the shops and buy such things as bread etc. The problem comes in when people start messing about and you end up with people earning £100,000+ a year while average joe trys to scrape by on the likes of £12,000.