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nickatnoon61
24-04-2008, 03:39 AM
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion."
READ THIS LIST OF NWO INTENTIONS AND TICK OFF THOSE THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN YOUR COUNTRY ALREADY!

"WE SHALL":
1. Seduce and demoralize the youth with false doctrines.

2. Destroy the family life.

3. Dominate humanity by Preying upon their lower instincts and vices.

4. Debase and vulgarize Art, and introduce filth in Literature.

5. Destroy respect for religions; undermine the reputation of the clergy through scandalous stories and back up the so called "Higher Criticism" so that the old fundamental faith is shattered and quarrels and controversies become permanent in the churches.

6. Introduce the habit for luxuries, crazy fashions and spendthrift ideas so that the ability for enjoying clean and plain pleasures is lost.

7. Divert the attention of the people by public amusements, sports, games, prize contests, etc., so that there is no time for thinking.

8. Confuse and bewilder the minds of the people by false theories and shatter the nerves and health by continuously introducing new poisons. (Alcohol, Nicotine, Drugs, Demineralized foods, etc. -Editor.)

9. Instigate class hatred and class war among the different classes of people.

10. Dispossess the old Aristocracy, which still keeps up high traditions by excessive taxes and replace it with the "Knights of the Golden Calf."

11. Poison the relations between the employees and employers through strikes and lockouts so as to ruin the possibility of productive co-operation.

12. Demoralize by all means the higher classes of society and by adverse publicity raise the hate of the people toward them.

13. Use industry to ruin agriculture and then in its turn destroy industry by wild speculation.

14. Spread all possible utopian theories so as to bring the people into a labyrinth of impractical ideas.

15. Raise the rate of wages, which however will not bring any advantage to the workers for at the same time we shall produce a rise in the price of the first necessities of life.

16. Cause diplomatic friction and misunderstanding between States which will increase international suspicions and hate thereby greatly augmenting armaments.

17. Introduce in all states, general suffrage so that the destiny of nations depend upon ignorant people.

18. Overthrow all monarchies and substitute republics for them; in so far as possible fill important state offices with persons who are involved in some unlawful affair and who will, from fear of being exposed, remain our obedient servants.

19. Gradually amend all constitutions so as to prepare the soil for absolute despotism and Bolshevism.

20. Establish huge monopolies upon which even the great fortunes of the Gentiles will depend to such an extent that they will be swallowed up at the "hour" when the industrial crisis will start.

21. Destroy all financial stability; increase economic depressions to the extent of bringing a general world bankruptcy; stop the wheels of industry; make bonds, stocks and paper money worthless; accumulate all the gold of the world in the hands of a certain few people thus withdrawing tremendous capital from circulation; at a given hour close all the exchanges, withdraw all credits and cause general panic.

22. Prepare the death struggle of the nations; wear out humanity through suffering, fear and shortage of food - hunger creates slaves!!!

That is the program!



Quotations on the
New World Order, 1918 to 1995
"The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

"The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world." -- M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands." -- Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book "International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World" (1931)

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." -- H. G. Wells, in his book entitled "The New World Order" (1939)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual." -- excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

"In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of 'justice and peace.'" -- excerpt from article entitled "New World Order Pledged to Jews," in the New York Times (October 1940)

"If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free peoples, and individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of the new world order." -- The Declaration of the Federation of the World, produced by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of North Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other states.

"New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor" -- title of article in The Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis." -- text of article in the Philadelphia Inquirer (June 1942)

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God." -- American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in the New York Times (December 1942)

"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning. They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." -- Norman Thomas, in his book "What Is Our Destiny" (1944)

"He [John Foster Dulles] stated directly to me that he had every reason to believe that the Governor [Thomas E. Dewey of New York] accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced that this is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected. So it is fair to say that on the first round the Sphinx of Albany has established himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new world order." -- excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in the Philadelphia Bulletin (May 1944)

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" -- Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- New York Times (February 1962)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a new world order." -- Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in peace and building 'a new world order.'" -- excerpt from an article in the New York Times (February 1972)

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." -- Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

"The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind can exert a positive role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture. We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." -- Richard A. Falk, in an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions," in the book "On the Creation of a Just World Order" (1975)

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new world order." -- Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations, October 1975)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic security but a new world order." -- part of article in the New York Times (November 1975)

"A New World Order" -- title of article on commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania by Hubert H. Humphrey, printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order." -- Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United Nations (December 1988)

"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." -- Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in the Washington Post (May 1991)

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." -- Richard Gephardt, in the Wall Street Journal (September 1990)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." -- President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." -- excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in the New York Times (January 1991)

"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court." -- George McGovern, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier." -- William Safire, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" -- article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in the Wall Street Journal (April 1992)

"How to Achieve The New World Order" -- title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund." -- part of full-page advertisement by the government of Morocco in the New York Times (April 1994)

"New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State" -- title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform leader in Japan, in the Wall Street Journal (August 1994)

The "new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all." -- Nelson Mandela, in the Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world and the new world order." -- President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in the New York Times (April 1995)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" -- article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June 1995)

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." -- Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

These quotations, and many others like them, demonstrate clearly that this words "new world order" have been in use for decades, and did not originate with President George Bush in 1990. The "old world order" is one based on independent nation-states. The "new world order" involves the elimination of the sovereignty and independence of nation-states and some form of world government. This means the end of the United States of America, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights as we now know them. Most of the new world order proposals involve the conversion of the United Nations and its agencies to a world government, complete with a world army, a world parliament, a World Court, global taxation, and numerous other agencies to control every aspect of human life (education, nutrition, health care, population, immigration, communications, transportation, commerce, agriculture, finance, the environment, etc.). The various notions of the "new world order" differ as to details and scale, but agree on the basic principle and substance.

razed1
10-05-2008, 03:24 PM
what time period are the protocols supposed to originate from?? and who are the authors??

snoopsnuffleopagus
10-05-2008, 04:55 PM
what time period are the protocols supposed to originate from?? and who are the authors??

Cordial Felicitations; Razed1:

I look forward to the Day, nick@noon provides a Primary Source for this Text.

I have provided him with these Sources, but he rejects them.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=protocols+of+the+elders+of+zion+origins&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007058



PROTOCOLS OF THE
ELDERS OF ZION

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"If ever a piece of writing could produce mass hatred, it is this one. . . . This book is about lies and slander."
Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the most notorious and widely distributed antisemitic publication of modern times. Its lies about Jews, which have been repeatedly discredited, continue to circulate today, especially on the Internet. The individuals and groups who have used the Protocols are all linked by a common purpose: to spread hatred of Jews.




The Protocols is entirely a work of fiction, intentionally written to blame Jews for a variety of ills. Those who distribute it claim that it documents a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world. The conspiracy and its alleged leaders, the so-called Elders of Zion, never existed.

The Origin of a Lie
In 1903, portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were serialized in a Russian newspaper, Znamya (The Banner). The version of the Protocols that has endured and has been translated into dozens of languages, however, was first published in Russia in 1905 as an appendix to The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.





See more artifacts
The Times, August 17, 1921


Although the exact origin of the Protocols is unknown, its intent was to portray Jews as conspirators against the state. In 24 chapters, or protocols, allegedly minutes from meetings of Jewish leaders, the Protocols "describes" the "secret plans" of Jews to rule the world by manipulating the economy, controlling the media, and fostering religious conflict.




Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, anti-Bolshevik émigrés brought the Protocols to the West. Soon after, editions circulated across Europe, the United States, South America, and Japan. An Arabic translation first appeared in the 1920s.

Beginning in 1920, auto magnate Henry Ford's newspaper, The Dearborn Independent, published a series of articles based in part on the Protocols. The International Jew, the book that included this series, was translated into at least 16 languages. Both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, later the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, praised Ford and The International Jew.

Fraud Exposed
In 1921, the London Times presented conclusive proof that the Protocols was a "clumsy plagiarism." The Times confirmed that the Protocols had been copied in large part from a French political satire that never mentioned Jews -- Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864). Other investigations revealed that one chapter of a Prussian novel, Hermann Goedsche's Biarritz (1868), also "inspired" the Protocols.

The Nazi Era
Nazi party ideologue Alfred Rosenberg introduced Hitler to the Protocols during the early 1920s, as Hitler was developing his worldview. Hitler referred to the Protocols in some of his early political speeches, and, throughout his career, he exploited the myth that "Jewish-Bolshevists" were conspiring to control the world.

During the 1920s and 1930s, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion played an important part in the Nazis' propaganda arsenal. The Nazi party published at least 23 editions of the Protocols between 1919 and 1939. Following the Nazis' seizure of power in 1933, some schools used the Protocols to indoctrinate students.

Fraud Exposed
In 1935, a Swiss court fined two Nazi leaders for circulating a German-language edition of the Protocols in Berne, Switzerland. The presiding justice at the trial declared the Protocols "libelous," "obvious forgeries," and "ridiculous nonsense."

The U.S. Senate issued a report in 1964 declaring that the Protocols were "fabricated." The Senate called the contents of the Protocols "gibberish" and criticized those who "peddled" the Protocols for using the same propaganda technique as Hitler.

In 1993, a Russian court ruled that Pamyat, a far-right nationalist organization, had committed an antisemitic act by publishing the Protocols.

Despite these repeated exposures of the Protocols as a fraud, it remains the most influential antisemitic text of the past one hundred years, and it continues to appeal to a variety of antisemitic individuals and groups.

The Protocols Today
According to the U.S. Department of State's "Report on Global Anti-Semitism" (2004), "The clear purpose of the [Protocols is] to incite hatred of Jews and of Israel."

In the United States and Europe, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and Holocaust deniers endorse and circulate the Protocols. Books based on the Protocols are available worldwide, even in countries with hardly any Jews such as Japan.

Many school textbooks throughout the Arab and Islamic world teach the Protocols as fact. Countless political speeches, editorials, and even children's cartoons are derived from the Protocols. In 2002, Egypt's government-sponsored television aired a miniseries based on the Protocols, an event condemned by the U.S. State Department. The Palestinian organization Hamas draws in part on the Protocols to justify its terrorism against Israeli civilians.

The Internet has dramatically increased access to the Protocols. Even though many Web sites expose the Protocols as a fraud, the Internet has made it easy to use the Protocols to spread hatred of Jews. Today, a typical Internet search yields several hundred thousand sites that disseminate, sell, or debate the Protocols or expose them as a fraud.

http://ngc.dukejournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/35/1_103/83


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Kind Regards: Snoops

razed1
10-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Cordial Felicitations; Razed1:

I look forward to the Day, nick@noon provides a Primary Source for this Text.

I have provided him with these Sources, but he rejects them.



hey i dont doubt for a second whether these protocols exist

i was merely interested for further information on them


i have no doubt that these protocols are used as a guiding light for these zionist's agenda


and you can wave the "anti semitism" flag all you want


the truth is comin to the forefront no matter what

intruder
10-05-2008, 05:47 PM
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2007/11/zionist-censors-announce-saudi-hate.html

intruder
10-05-2008, 05:49 PM
Friday, November 02, 2007
Zionist censors announce: "Saudi Hate Books at UK Schools"

What About Judaic Hate Books?

Judaic schools in London and throughout the world offer a plentiful stock of rabbinic hate books such as Maimonides' "Mishneh Torah" and "Guide of the Perplexed," and the Zohar and Talmud Bavli. Anyone who would dare to protest the presence of this Pharisee hate literature would be branded a censor, a book burner and an inquisitor.

Whatever the Saudis are publishing (and their anti-masonic literature appears to be accurate), I can't get exercised over it in light of the fact that the campaign against Saudi school texts is entirely channeled through the selectively indignant hypocrisy of rabbinic and Zionist hate-mongering. The Kabbalah calls Jesus and Mohammed "dead dogs." The rabbinic holy books teach hatred for Christ, Mohammed, the Arabs and the goyim generally, but don't let anyone dare demand that importers of antiChristian and antiMuslim rabbinic literature be “brought to book." This double standard is the familiar Talmudic mentality in action: one law for the Master Race and another for everyone else. One can't even call this "radical" Judaism. It is in fact thoroughly Orthodox and commonplace Judaic practice. The fact that British gentiles are allowing themselves to be used by the Zionists to single out the Saudis for the accusation of religious hate literature, while ignoring Judaic hate books, shows the extent to which Britain is a Zionist satrapy.

--Michael A. Hoffman II

razed1
10-05-2008, 05:55 PM
jews are known for their "covenant" with "G-d"

the word BRIT-ISH means

BRIT = covenant
ISH = man

man of the covenant is to be a british man



funny, i dont think the real creative energy of the universe needs to have a "contract" with its creation

this contract business seems more like humanoid politricks

intruder
10-05-2008, 05:57 PM
Talmudic Double-standard on Islam

Alain Finkielkraut states concerning Muslim protests against satire of Muhammad in Europe: "What we are being asked is to forbid all criticism of Islam, which is an outrageous, exorbitant demand."

But European countries arrest and often jail those who criticize the Holocaust. The Finkielkrauts of the world do not consider the jailing of revisionist writers in Europe "outrageous" or "exorbitant." Criticism of the "Holocaust" is forbidden. Criticism of Islam is a function of freedom of thought and speech. Always this Talmudic double-standard!
__________________________________________________ _______________________________________

For the "crime" of giving a speech at the Tehran Revisionist Conference in Iran
Prof. Faurisson Briefly Jailed in France; His House is Searched

Interview with Professor Robert Faurisson at the Guest House of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
In Austria
"Holocaust Denier" Gets Six and 1/2 years in prison

In Germany
Ernst Zündel's defense lawyer sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison for the crime of being a "fanatic anti-semite"
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________

Germany Jails Scholar who Sought Haven in America
30 months in prison for German scientist who investigated Auschwitz "gas chambers": On March 15 the German court in Mannheim issued its verdict on former Max Planck Institute chemist Germar Rudolf for the "crime" of "Holocaust denial." Rudolf was found guilty and sentenced to 30 months' imprisonment; a fine of $28,770; and the confiscation and burning of all copies of his book Vorlesungen ueber den "Holocaust" ("Studies on the 'Holocaust").

intruder
10-05-2008, 05:57 PM
don't be diverted by the "protocols"

razed1
10-05-2008, 06:25 PM
don't be diverted by the "protocols"

what do u mean?

pillowtalk
10-05-2008, 07:08 PM
This debate is as old as time it’s self.

I have to go out now so i will check in on this thread another time.

I have found in my experience that the vast majority of people who refute the authenticity of this set of protocols, are more often than not Jewish.

I will get into the origins of (and the evidence) the protocols later, as i am off out now.

PT

intruder
11-05-2008, 05:18 PM
what do u mean?

despite it being a brilliant study of Machiavellian ideals,it's dated and it divides. in general, it's one of the first things people will mention who actually pay no regard to conspiracy theory at all. they write you off as a "nutter" who reads these things, and then blindly label you an "anti-semite". the criticism they levy is of course proof of conditioning, and in that the document serves its purpose of silencing objectivity in regard to the roles Jews play and have played in that conditioning.

intruder
11-05-2008, 05:57 PM
http://www.rense.com/general81/chamber.htm

http://judicial-inc.biz/300%2C000_russian_grave_bolshevik.htm

hagbard_celine
11-05-2008, 09:16 PM
The Protocols as we know them are fake, but they might have been inspired by a real document. The original publisher of the Protocols was Sergei Nilus. Material from the Protocols appeared a few decades earlier in several fictional novels like Biarritz by Herman Goedsche and A Dialogue in Hell Between Montesquieu and Machiavelli by Maurice Joly. I believe that Nilus, Joly and Goedsche had access to an original document from which they transcribed their forgery. This original unknown document will have been by the REAL Illuminati. The Illuminati are not Jews; they're Zionists, which is a very different thing. But Nilus and the others might well have decided to publish a fake version of this unknown Illuminati document to falsely vindicate his own bigotry.

Is that possible? Well, to answer that I had to carry out an experiment to test whether it is possible to transcribe an Illuminati document on how to take over the world, to make it look like a Jewish document on how to take over the world. To test this I decided to try such a transcription in reverse: I took the Protocols as we know them and turned them into a non-Jewish document. It is astonishingly easy! Try it yourself if you have copy of the Protocols. I just changed the words “Jews” and “Zion” into “The Olympians” (The Illuminati probably don’t call themselves "the Illuminati"; “Olympians” is one of the words it’s been suggested is their real name). I then changed the words “Goyim” and “Gentiles” into “Sheeple” (This is just a guess, the Illuminati probably have some other derogatory word for the masses). So by just carrying out a couple of word replacements the document has totally lost its Jewish flavour. I imagine it is a document like this that was unearthed by Nilus. Here's a taster:

PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE OLYMPIAN COUNCIL OF THREE HUNDRED

...What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the Sheeple...

...Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the Sheeple, but we must in no wise be guided by them...

...3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Olympians, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the Sheeple...

...15 Ever since that time we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favor of that KING-DESPOT OF THE BLOOD OF OLYMPIA, WHOM WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE WORLD.

16. At the present day we are, as an international force, invincible, because if attacked by some we are supported by other States. It is the bottomless rascality of the Sheeple peoples, who crawl on their bellies to force, but are merciless towards weakness, unsparing to faults and indulgent to crimes, unwilling to bear the contradictions of a free social system but patient unto martyrdom under the violence of a bold despotism - it is those qualities which are aiding us to independence. From the premier- dictators of the present day, the Sheeple peoples suffer patiently and bear such abuses as for the least of them they would have beheaded twenty kings....


If you read it, it sounds like an old-fashioned version of “Silent Weapons For A Quiet War” or “Report From Iron Mountain”.
It would be an interesting experiment to take “Silent Weapons…” and see if it is possible to transcribe it into a hypothetical anti-Semitic document as easily.

pillowtalk
12-05-2008, 06:46 PM
The Protocols as we know them are fake,

Can you tell us why you are so confident of this ??>

This original unknown document will have been by the REAL Illuminati.

Same for this one (quote) above.

The Illuminati are not Jews; they're Zionists, which is a very different thing.


So in you opinion what is Zionism & where did it originate ??>


Is that possible? Well, to answer that I had to carry out an experiment to test whether it is possible to transcribe an Illuminati document on how to take over the world, to make it look like a Jewish document on how to take over the world. To test this I decided to try such a transcription in reverse: I took the Protocols as we know them and turned them into a non-Jewish document. It is astonishingly easy!

So i could also take a BNP manifesto & take out the words, Paki + Nigger, then replace them with words used by other political parties.
This would prove what exactly ??.:confused:

PT

clozaril
13-05-2008, 01:22 AM
eustace mullins points out that a court in switzerland ruled that the protocols are a forgery to which he said forgeries are based on an existing object/document/painting. (a forgery of a picasso is a copy of a real picasso)

asentinel
13-05-2008, 09:55 AM
The Protocols as we know them are fake, but they might have been inspired by a real document. The original publisher of the Protocols was Sergei Nilus. Material from the Protocols appeared a few decades earlier in several fictional novels like Biarritz by Herman Goedsche and A Dialogue in Hell Between Montesquieu and Machiavelli by Maurice Joly. I believe that Nilus, Joly and Goedsche had access to an original document from which they transcribed their forgery. This original unknown document will have been by the REAL Illuminati. The Illuminati are not Jews; they're Zionists, which is a very different thing. But Nilus and the others might well have decided to publish a fake version of this unknown Illuminati document to falsely vindicate his own bigotry. .... etc...


If you read it, it sounds like an old-fashioned version of “Silent Weapons For A Quiet War” or “Report From Iron Mountain”.
It would be an interesting experiment to take “Silent Weapons…” and see if it is possible to transcribe it into a hypothetical anti-Semitic document as easily.[/B]


One of the ways they would hide their agenda in plain sight and at the same time create conflict over origins and between groups of people they have contempt for anyway. A big noise about the wrong issue entirely!! A waste of energy which could be used to follow the correct trail instead!

Seek to discredit the contents at the same time, so that when everyone is pointing and saying, look see what is happening, they can dismiss all as bigots and crackpots.

It's the content that people are matching up with reality in what they see around them. Who cares precisely where it came from, it's a diabolical plan for control and demise, of most of us, including special interest groups. All smoke and mirrors to capture and divide energies.

The anti-jewish tag is being used to censor the reading of the document. I have seen two newspaper articles locally which talk of efforts to ban local libraries from carrying copies. The desired effect, who benefits? They do not want everyday people to be exposed to the content or concept of a conspiracy so they are hiding the information under the banner of anti-propaganda. The truth is being censored as hate and political correctness is the tool they are using to keep it under wraps. Master stroke, by masters of darkness!! :D

pillowtalk
13-05-2008, 10:35 AM
Dialectics have been used by the Zionist intelligencia to manipulate (unseen) things to their advantage.
The protocols are just another ’EG’..................

In classical philosophy, dialectic (Greek) is controversy: the exchange of arguments and counter-arguments respectively advocating propositions (theses) and counter-propositions (antitheses). The outcome of the exercise might not simply be the refutation of one of the relevant points of view, but a synthesis or combination of the opposing assertions, or at least a qualitative transformation in the direction of the dialogue

The law of negation was created to account for the tendency in nature to constantly increase the numerical quantity of all things. Marx and Engels decided that entities tend to negate themselves in order to advance or reproduce a higher quantity.[citation needed] This means that the nature of opposition which produces conflict in each element and gives them motion also tends to negate the thing itself. This dynamic process of birth and destruction is what causes entities to advance. This law commonly simplified as the cycle of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis.
In nature Engels often cited the case of the barley seed which, in its natural state, germinates and out of its own death or negation produces a plant, the plant in turn grows to maturity and is itself negated after bearing many barley seeds. Thus, all nature is constantly expanding through cycles.
In society we have the case of class. For example the aristocracy was negated by the bourgeoisie, the bourgeoisie then created the proletariat that will one day negate them. Illustrating that the cycle of negation is eternal as each class creates its "grave-digger", its successor, as soon as it finishes burying its creator.


This law states that continuous quantitive development results in qualitative "leaps" in nature whereby a completely new form or entity is produced. This is how "quantitative development becomes qualitative change". Transformation allows for the reverse with quality affecting quantity.
This theory draws many parallels to the theory of Evolution. Marxist philosophers concluded that entities, through quantitative accumulations are also inherently capable of "leaps" to new forms and levels of reality. The law illustrates that during a long period of time, through a process of small, almost irrelevant accumulations, nature develops noticeable changes in direction.
This can be illustrated by the eruption of a volcano which is caused by years of pressure building up. The volcano may no longer be a mountain but when its lava cools it will become fertile land where previously there was none. A revolution which is caused by years of tensions between opposing factions in society acts as a social illustration. The law occurs in reverse. An example would be, that by introducing better (changing quality) tools to farm, the tools will aid the increase in the amount (change quantity) of what is produced.

Thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, or as Icke likes to call it, problem, reaction, solution.
This idea is as old as the hills, & has been used to great effect over the years !!.

PT

neil
13-05-2008, 06:25 PM
The law of negation was created to account for the tendency in nature to constantly increase the numerical quantity of all things.

Just give us Wikipedia links to Marxism, or whatever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_philosophy_of_nature), next time, then we can read them in full at our leisure.:D

pillowtalk
13-05-2008, 07:24 PM
Just give us Wikipedia links to Marxism, or whatever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_philosophy_of_nature), next time, then we can read them in full at our leisure.:D

I gave you a summary of the important bits to save you the bother. :rolleyes:
So, did you understand any of it ??.

PT

neil
13-05-2008, 08:50 PM
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Yes. It's important to understand that Marx based his thinking not on classical philosophy but on the Hegelian dialectic, which is where the thesis, antithesis, synthesis comes from. It's about the movement of ideas. Marx worked on this concept to show that people can create ideas and change and narrate their own history rather than simply be a part of someone else's story.

The Marxists, who came later, set their own limitations on what stories were appropriate. Read Orwell on the Spanish Civil War to see how that shitstorm turned out. Despite Orwell's eye-opening tale of the perversion of Marxist dialectic into the languge of fear, people still clung to that crap for decades...

asentinel
14-05-2008, 01:27 PM
I gave you a summary of the important bits to save you the bother. :rolleyes:
So, did you understand any of it ??.

PT

even if others did not. I know you were sincere. :rolleyes:

pillowtalk
14-05-2008, 05:32 PM
even if others did not. I know you were sincere. :rolleyes:

Thank you :D

For any one to understand the manipulation, it’s important to get a firm understanding of dialectics.



PT

hagbard_celine
15-05-2008, 12:19 PM
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Because the Protocols as we know them appear in two literary sources that predate the Protocols publication by Nilus: A Dialogue in Hell... by Maurice Joly and Biarritz by Herman Gioedsche. The Protocols copies them almost word for word.

So in you opinion what is Zionism & where did it originate ??>

You could say it originated when the early Jewish text were written, the Torah, and Genesis etc and the story of the Jews quest for the promised land. But modern Zionism, as far as I know, only dates only back to the Balfour Agreement. It became necessary in the NWO agenda to create Israel, the supposed "Jewish state".

hagbard_celine
15-05-2008, 12:25 PM
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So i could also take a BNP manifesto & take out the words, Paki + Nigger, then replace them with words used by other political parties.
This would prove what exactly ??.:confused:

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(The BNP don't use those words in their manifesto, only in private. They're a lot more crafty than that! But I get your point)

You could do that and then present your edited copy to the public making it look entirely different. For instance you could replace "paki" and "nigger" with... say "deer" and "chipmunk". It would look like this:

Deer and Chipmunks are a scourge on our society. They are becoming more and more common, breeding out of control! They claim social security but never look for jobs, their kids are taking over our schools and turfing our children out! This must be stopped. The BNP will send all Deer and Chipmunks back to the forest they cam from and leave cities for humans only.

You see? Just a very small amount of editing changes the whole theme of the passage.

hagbard_celine
15-05-2008, 12:31 PM
One of the ways they would hide their agenda in plain sight and at the same time create conflict over origins and between groups of people they have contempt for anyway. A big noise about the wrong issue entirely!! A waste of energy which could be used to follow the correct trail instead!

Seek to discredit the contents at the same time, so that when everyone is pointing and saying, look see what is happening, they can dismiss all as bigots and crackpots.

It's the content that people are matching up with reality in what they see around them. Who cares precisely where it came from, it's a diabolical plan for control and demise, of most of us, including special interest groups. All smoke and mirrors to capture and divide energies.

The anti-jewish tag is being used to censor the reading of the document. I have seen two newspaper articles locally which talk of efforts to ban local libraries from carrying copies. The desired effect, who benefits? They do not want everyday people to be exposed to the content or concept of a conspiracy so they are hiding the information under the banner of anti-propaganda. The truth is being censored as hate and political correctness is the tool they are using to keep it under wraps. Master stroke, by masters of darkness!! :D

That's quite likely. Suppose you were in the Illuminati and knew that one of your documents was about to be leaked.:eek:;) What to do!?

Well you could just try to plug the leak, but a far better, and more typical, idea is to preempt the leak by releasing the document yourself, in it's paraphrsed form , ie with the words "Jew and "Goyim" in. As you say, this will sow confusion and stygmatize the document. Then if the original document eventually gets leaked it will be instantly rejected and the person behind it deminized.