The Bible's Ungodly Origins

[oiram]

The Bible's Ungodly Origins
http://www.deism.com/bibleorigins.htm

by Robert L. Johnson

Many rank and file Christians sincerely believe the Bible is a direct communication from God to man. I know I used to believe it was when I was a Christian. And from recent conversations with many sincere Christians I know this is currently true for many believers. Once it is proven to our God-given reason that the Bible is strictly a man-made collection of mythology the mind loses yet another shackle of "revelation" and is soon on its way to full freedom and progress.

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), (a bust of Constantine is pictured below) who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence. (I wish to thank Brian Show for pointing out in his rebuttal to this article that the final version of the Christian Bible was not voted on at the Council of Nicaea, per se. The Church leaders didn't finish editing the "holy" scriptures until the Council of Trent when the Catholic Church pronounced the Canon closed. However, it seems the real approving editor of the Bible was not God but Constantine! This fact is revealed in the second counter-rebuttal to Brian Show's first rebuttal to this article. This counter-rebuttal makes the following important statement and backs it up with FACTS - "Therefore, one can easily argue that the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use." Of course, I'd like to express my deep appreciation to fellow Deist Peter Murphy for the great research work he did in order to write such a great counter-rebuttal!

In the landmark work by H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. I, pages 462-463, we read, "It (the Council of Nicaea) marks the definite entry upon the stage of human affairs of the Christian Church and of Christianity as it is generally understood in the world to-day. It marks the exact definition of Christian teaching by the Nicene Creed."

Constantine ordered and financed 50 parchment copies of the new "holy scriptures." It seems with the financial element added to the picture, the Church fathers were able to overcome their differences and finally agree which "holy" books would stay and which would go.

Compare the man-made origins of Christianity and its various dogmas to the simplicity of Deism. Deism is belief in God based only on reason and the creation itself. It makes no claim to false "revelations" as all of the "revealed" religions do. To Deists, proof of the Designer is in the design.

To quote Thomas Paine, "Were man impressed as fully and as strongly as he ought to be with the belief of a God, his moral life would be regulated by the force of that belief; he would stand in awe of God and of himself, and would not do the thing that could not be concealed from either. To give this belief the full opportunity of force, it is necessary that it acts alone. This is Deism. But when, according to the Christian Trinitarian scheme, one part of God is represented by a dying man, and another part, called the Holy Ghost, by a flying pigeon, it is impossible that belief can attach itself to such wild conceits. . . .

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.

"Instead then of studying theology, as is now done out of the Bible and Testament, the meanings of which books are always controverted and the authenticity of which is disproved, it is necessary that we refer to the Bible of the Creation. The principles we discover there are eternal and of divine origin; they are the foundation of all the science that exists in the world, and must be the foundation of theology.

"We can know God only through His works. We cannot have a conception of any one attribute but by following some principle that leads to it. We have only a confused idea of His power, if we have not the means of comprehending something of its immensity. We can have no idea of His wisdom, but by knowing the order and manner in which it acts. The principles of science lead to this knowledge; for the Creator of man is the Creator of science, and it is through that medium that man can see God, as it were, face to face."


On May 12, 1797 while living in Paris, France Tom Paine wrote the following letter to a Christian friend who was trying to convert Paine to Christianity. Paine's response fits perfectly with this page regarding the origins of the Bible.

"In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.

"But by what authority do you call the Bible the Word of God? for this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the Word of God makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the Word of God. This was done by yeas and nays, as we now vote a law.

"The Pharisees of the second temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.

"You may have an opinion that a man is inspired, but you cannot prove it, nor can you have any proof of it yourself, because you cannot see into his mind in order to know how he comes by his thoughts; and the same is the case with the word revelation. There can be no evidence of such a thing, for you can no more prove revelation than you can prove what another man dreams of, neither can he prove it himself.

"It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No.

"Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don't is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?

"For my own part, I believe that all are impostors who pretend to hold verbal communication with the Deity. It is the way by which the world has been imposed upon; but if you think otherwise you have the same right to your opinion that I have to mine, and must answer for it in the same manner. But all this does not settle the point, whether the Bible be the Word of God, or not. It is therefore necessary to go a step further. The case then is: -

"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible.

"The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. But the works of God in the creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea - that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness.

"The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the creation claims that God is unchangeable. Now, which am I to believe, a book that any impostor might make and call the Word of God, or the creation itself which none but an Almighty Power could make? For the Bible says one thing, and the creation says the contrary. The Bible represents God with all the passions of a mortal, and the creation proclaims him with all the attributes of a God.

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. That bloodthirsty man, called the prophet Samuel, makes God to say, (I Sam. xv. 3) `Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'

"That Samuel or some other impostor might say this, is what, at this distance of time, can neither be proved nor disproved, but in my opinion it is blasphemy to say, or to believe, that God said it. All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.

"What makes this pretended order to destroy the Amalekites appear the worse, is the reason given for it. The Amalekites, four hundred years before, according to the account in Exodus xvii. (but which has the appearance of fable from the magical account it gives of Moses holding up his hands), had opposed the Israelites coming into their country, and this the Amalekites had a right to do, because the Israelites were the invaders, as the Spaniards were the invaders of Mexico. This opposition by the Amalekites, at that time, is given as a reason, that the men, women, infants and sucklings, sheep and oxen, camels and asses, that were born four hundred years afterward, should be put to death; and to complete the horror, Samuel hewed Agag, the chief of the Amalekites, in pieces, as you would hew a stick of wood. I will bestow a few observations on this case.

"In the first place, nobody knows who the author, or writer, of the book of Samuel was, and, therefore, the fact itself has no other proof than anonymous or hearsay evidence, which is no evidence at all. In the second place, this anonymous book says, that this slaughter was done by the express command of God: but all our ideas of the justice and goodness of God give the lie to the book, and as I never will believe any book that ascribes cruelty and injustice to God, I therefore reject the Bible as unworthy of credit.

"As I have now given you my reasons for believing that the Bible is not the Word of God, that it is a falsehood, I have a right to ask you your reasons for believing the contrary; but I know you can give me none, except that you were educated to believe the Bible; and as the Turks give the same reason for believing the Koran, it is evident that education makes all the difference, and that reason and truth have nothing to do in the case.

"You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each calls the other infidel. But leaving the prejudice of education out of the case, the unprejudiced truth is, that all are infidels who believe falsely of God, whether they draw their creed from the Bible, or from the Koran, from the Old Testament, or from the New.

"When you have examined the Bible with the attention that I have done (for I do not think you know much about it), and permit yourself to have just ideas of God, you will most probably believe as I do. But I wish you to know that this answer to your letter is not written for the purpose of changing your opinion. It is written to satisfy you, and some other friends whom I esteem, that my disbelief of the Bible is founded on a pure and religious belief in God; for in my opinion the Bible is a gross libel against the justice and goodness of God, in almost every part of it."

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[bigus_dickus]

contributing to the thread. i have posted this before, but it fits here too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=397006836098752165

[synergy777]

many people know its not direct revelation, many people know its courrupted eg curse of ham etc. but many people follow the lessons of compassion and do good work in the name of yashuah, even though many know the church/elite are corrupt.

christians are in a civil war themselves, they know the vatican is corrupt, they know the many denominations eg look at the mormons etc are not true to the word/message of compassion. how many good things do churchs do eg aid work, outreach/homeless programs, they do more than new age gurus who peddle old vedic stuff on flashy dvds and seminars. funny how the western world buys the new age, whilst the east sells it, but doesn't follow it, why?

why doesn't anyone attack satanism/luciferic religions, can anyone prove satanism/luciferism to be false? can anyone please go and prove satanism is false.

people pick the talmud/deutronomy etc, and yet fail to recognise that if they state the talmud to be true, well good enough to use as evidence in their case, then why does it mention the so called fictional chracter yashuah, lol so on one hand they cherry pick the talmud/deutronomy to show the harsh natiure of god, then ignore the yashuah bits, sherlock would be proud, lol

how about the author of satnic/luciferic religions having his elite/clergy corrupt the words/message of the loving source, after all it seems to have worked. think like your enemy, in order to understand them.

our enemy is evil, the evil which makes men kill, seek power, to be powerful like gods etc

people like bigus, etc are well informed , so listen to him .

to be frank we do not attack those who don't share religous beliefs, and yet we are the ones accused of being mean spirited and brainwashed.

as an open challenge to any detractors, please show me that satanism/luciferism is false. because after all if the faiths of the world are false, then shouldn't the faith of the enemy of the worlds false religions be false aswell?

heres some useful links to the new age gurus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning

[lifeofbrian]

The good thing nowadays is that everybody can look into all sorts of perspectives and share more or less freely without being burnt at the stake. We've moved on an inch.

During the past 100 years or so weirdness has become so common that people experiencing that weirdness attempted to investigate it properly. One of the pioneers in the field of the strange and weird was a fellow named Robert A Monroe. He OBEd and taught himself how to master the process, and he ventured further and further into weirdness. So skillful and intelligent was Mr Monroe that he managed to be both the experiencer and the monitor of his experiences, and he eventually set up a place where other people could come and experience their own weirdness in a safe environment amongst other experienced non-judgmental pioneers.

(The whole thing proved so mindblowing and Earth shattering, perhaps mostly so for those with beliefs re: the weird but no experience, that governments of course became interested in this new way of gathering knowledge directly/hands-on, however kept it very hush-hush in case the majority of believers would find out and get a collective fit.)

The mapping of all this weirdness suggested that there is a lot more truth going around than people historically has cared to consider, but it's been lumped together and simplified so discernment has become nigh impossible for the untrained thinker. And how to develop discernment if there is not access to all information possible? Most people try to figure things out based on what they've got, forcing square pegs into round holes and other difficult exercises. But what if the starting point is faulty/flawed?

Most people just "know" there is a God. They "know it" in their bones. Even if they aren't quite sure about Jesus there is no doubt about God. Some of the pioneers at the place Mr Monroe set up also had their basic belief system and experienced their own weirdness from their own standpoint. Mr Monroe had no particular belief system and was at the time the one able to learn the most about human consciousness and all sorts of interesting weirdness re: our world both in body and after death. And he found out about "God". He found out about emotions and what they do.

One of the most interesting experiences Mr Monroe had was an encounter with an individual he became convinced had reached christ consciousness, for lack of a better term. At the time, he estimated that there was probably 600 people alive on Earth with the same amazing abilities as that individual.

Nearly thirty years later, thanks to Mr Monroe and his priceless body of work which is available to anyone, the area of human consciousness is no longer a huge mystery as more and more data is being gathered and people are now able to experience things directly for themselves. Finally there are real answers available that people are welcome to experience themselves, instead of joining gangs of believers and play the majority is right-card, or strength in numbers-card, in verbal and/or physical fights with other gangs of believers. The truth is real strength.

Personally I think it's fantastic that smart people have been busy following their own paths without making a big public show out of it. Those clinging on for dear life to the traditional belief systems are free to do so too.

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ETA: Robert A Monroe encountered 'stuff' that tried to prevent him from traveling freely OBE. Here is a short account:

What? Blinding light - I cannot move! A voice in my head - a cold, admonitory voice...

I am the Lord thy God, whom you serve.

A feeling of intense pressure, as if I am dissolving...now I am in water...my lungs are full of water...I must have air...get rid of the water...no, it can't be, it isn't so...there is no water...I have no lungs. I am being made to think that is where I am...it is an influence...I know it is not so. The pressure releases...I can feel fingers of energy probing for the core of me...I can stop this...close the receptors...close tight...I remember how...

You do not remember! You do not remember!

but I do...I remember the tests, the training experience from my I-There...they were so real...I am ready, ready for this demanding energy...it cannot harm me. But what is this? What God can this be? It cannot harm me or affect me...be calm, warm, friendly...

Do you not accept me as your God?

...the idea of a God that threatens amuses me...I let this idea flow out...

Do you not fear me?

...I release a picture of me blowing apart again and again into million of fragments, and reconstituting after every explosion...

You are damned! You are no more than wasted energy of me, who is your Lord!

...the energy fades to a tiny point and vanishes. How many more like this may I encounter? ...a waste of my effort...

p. 208-209, Ultimate Journey by Robert A Monroe, ISBN 0-385-47208-0

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So...the Known Basic. The physical universe, including the whole of humankind, is an ongoing creative process. There is indeed a Creator. Who or what this Creator is lies beyond the Emitter and the Aperture, and I have not been there. Therefore, that part I do not know. Not yet. All I have is the overwhelming experience in the ray near the Emitter, and of the evolving creative process as it takes place in this world and in myself. This I perceive with my Different Overview.

The human mind-consciousness has speculated for aeons as to our Creator beyond that Aperture. I have not been able to engage in this for reasons I now recognize. Because of the continuing use of the label of "God" in a myraid variations, I had resisted any attempt at identification in any desriptive form. The discoloration and misconceptions would be too great. Now I know why I had resisted. The same applies to the word "spiritual" and many other commonly used terms.

These to me are Knowns:

This, our Creator:

* is beyond our comprehension as long as we remain human
* is the designer of the ongoing process of which we are a part
* has a purpose for such action beyond our ability to understand
* makes adjustments, fine tuning, in this process as needed
* establishes simple laws that apply to everyone and everything
* does not demand worship, adoration, or recognition
* does not punish for "evil" and "misdeeds"
* does not intercede or interdict in our life activity

The desire to return with gifts is an integral part of the design.

p. 224, Ultimate Journey.

[Mo0n5tar]

as an open challenge to any detractors, please show me that satanism/luciferism is false. because after all if the faiths of the world are false, then shouldn't the faith of the enemy of the worlds false religions be false aswell?

One might argue that Christianity itself is Luciferian, in that it worships the "light" of the world, and much of it is obviously Solar worship, look at GOD in creation, everything was DARK and Eloheem created Light, look at how priests and christian life in general encourages us to experience only light experiences, you know don't think about nothing too heavy.

It is definately Solar and therefore to an extent Luciferian, I would say Christianity is Illuminated also, in that more and more truth comes out of it the more open minded one is when reading it, and if one is privy to esoteric knowledge it means yet more, and the links to Egypt and the past are clearer.

Here's a good interview with Tsarion talking on Astro theology>

Michael Tsarion - Astro-Theology

April 20, 2007
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/...RICR-080420.php

Michael Tsarion returns to the program for a two-hour special to discuss his new upcoming book "Astro-Theology". This is not to be missed! Topics Discussed: Christianity's ancient hidden roots, the Vatican, the clergy and deception, Giza, "Goat-Men", Goths, words with "Ary" & "Ari" roots, serpent symbolism, the stars and the Zodiac, Messiah, anointed, Sobek & crocodile fat, Dragons, Naddreds, Gnadir, Astrological motifs in renaissance artwork and media corporations, monotheism, Akhenaton (Moses), sun worship, Luciferianism, light, the Solar Cult and the Stellar Cult, Khem, Camelot, Scythians, the Druids, Ur, Eric, Marduk, The Sea People, Mer, Kabiri and much more


http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/04apr/RICR-080420-mtsarion-pt1.mp3
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/04apr/RICR-080420-mtsarion-pt2.mp3

[bigus_dickus]

well said synergy.

i was watching a Tsarion vid on this site and i found this videos about NDEs:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4098/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_1/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4100/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_2/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4104/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_3/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4107/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_4/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4108/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_5/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4110/Near_Death_Experience__The_Day_When_I_Die_Part_6/

in this vid, there is a woman who had a NDE during an operation. she experienced pretty much what others experience too, but one thing that impressed me is that when she asked "is God the light?", the answer she got (in this state she was) was:

"no! the light is what happens when God breathes"

but... i feel that i always knew this and that's why it impressed me. it could be wrong, or wrongly worded, yet the gut feeling has never been wrong thus far.

[synergy777]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=562154&in_page_id=1770

'I died in Jerusalem in 1276', says doctor who underwent hypnosis to reveal a former life

Out of the blackness I could see a burning white light. A calm voice asked me what I had learned from my life and whether there was any knowledge I wished to carry to the next.

It was the voice of David Wells - a past-life regression therapist who had put me in a trance and guided me to my 'past incarnation'.

To many, the idea of reincarnation will seem like bunkum. But strange as it may seem, it is garnering a surprising degree of respectable scientific support.

Today, London hosts an international conference on the subject in memory of the late Dr Ian Stevenson, an American scientist who spent decades studying the phenomenon.

Dr Stevenson amassed an astonishing amount of evidence for reincarnation. He tracked down more than 3,000 children who claimed to have experienced a 'previous life'.

Many were able to give precise details, such as their former names and the manner of their deaths. They could even recall the names of friends and family, many of whom Dr Stevenson was able to track down through birth records. Others knew intimate details known only to the deceased's family.

Such findings have led respected academics to startling conclusions. 'Reincarnation is the most likely explanation for the strongest cases,' says Dr Jim Tucker, medical director of the Child and Family Psychiatric Clinic at the University of Virginia in the U.S.

'The evidence points to a "carry over" of memories and emotions from one life to another. That could be termed reincarnation.'

Reincarnation is highly controversial - not just among scientists, but between different religions too. Broadly speaking, Christians, Muslims and Jews do not believe in it, while Hindus and Buddhists do.

To most in the West, it is still seen as little more than the product of a far-fetched imagination. But given the growing interest of the scientific community, I decided to investigate whether there could be more to it.

cheers for the videos micky and bigus, will have a watch.

[octopusrex]

Our modern version?...Emperor Constantine, last I heard...

[thelucifer]

as an open challenge to any detractors, please show me that satanism/luciferism is false. because after all if the faiths of the world are false, then shouldn't the faith of the enemy of the worlds false religions be false aswell?


What is true Satanism ?

One needs understand what Satan is !

Satan is a inanimate symbol (the Washington DC beast via the Compass [with HORNS on it] and Square atop an upside down cross) of an agenda/religion.

Satan, in the temptation story is on a "hill", in reality its Capital Hill, where the head of the beast IS, capitalize by bowing to the Masonic DC beast Satan !!!

To understand what Satan is really, what then is Satanism ???
I submit Patriotism and Freemasonry.

Is it not ??


Christianity is Luciferianism, hence "I am the bright and morning star".

Christianity is as/from the older mystery religions.




People think the Lucifer and Satan work together, they dont, they are in complete opposition. Hence the story of "Jesus" (the Lucifer/morning star) and Rome (the Satan of that time) in opposition.




http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/thelucifer_rp/img1E.jpg

[dedicate]

Satanism is the love of evil -- and the religion set about that, lucifer's friend,-- er.. i mean, thelucifer.

The original poster was making a good point, and you come in to darken the water? obfucating? or are you just plain ..../? As if some symbolism can reduce the scheme to something unimportant? "Nothing here to see folks.. we just use natural forces and symbols and such. Don't look into it." Yeh, right.

[oiram]

My only hope is that the people start waking up quickly to reality and use there God given reason & logic to analyse things!
People talk about Jesus and Satan but can people not see & understand that we are just manifesting everything our self's by our fiscal actions!

The Elite knows very well that many people are waking up and there counterattack will get more murdering & uglier every day!

Just look around; how many people get murdered direct and indirectly every day and we talking about year 2008 appears more like that our brains stopped evolving after year 0!

So many people talking & are waiting for the year 2012 and can not see that this predictions coming from the same Books the Elite uses to get there Agenda implemented!
My logic tells me year 2012 all is over and too late for Humanity the time is now to solve this madness which is forced onto us all!

If I look at parts of the bible there are parts which make logical sense; but this is the way to trick people into believing the entire Book that's what makes the book so dangerous!
It is fact that Humans wrote the Book over time and I say there is 80% manipulated & corruption manifested in the good Book to deceive Humanity!

[intruder]

fiscal actions!!! typo or not, that says ALOT! :)

[intruder]

and if we are "manifesting" everything, the problem of "genius" comes up for me. Mozart's should be a dime a dozen, and the complexity of quantum mechanics resolved in grade school. do all our "good works" have an effect on the germ plasm?

[oiram]

and if we are "manifesting" everything, the problem of "genius" comes up for me. Mozart's should be a dime a dozen, and the complexity of quantum mechanics resolved in grade school. do all our "good works" have an effect on the germ plasm?
Yes if the "genius" knowledge would get promoted and past on to all and don't get systematically manipulated & block by the smart typo free Elite!
The same like the genius Tesla why did they block his technology and did not promote it?
Because of the greed and power games of some to enslave Humanity!

[synergy777]

morning star is venus, a planet, symbolism.

satanism took control of the clergy, via babylon/talmud and egypt/india. they controlled the formation of the texts eg jewish, christian and muslim books. they add in their belief system, thus using the trojan horse method.

so when people say christianity/islam/judaism is evil/satanic, they point out the insertions of the evil elite, and then end it there. i say go one step further and do not cherry pick, and see the orgins of the inseration/symbolism, then you end up at satanism. why would the talmud include passages villifying yashuah.

lemuria/atlantis/egypt/india/babylon/europe are all a network.

[eternal_spirit]

morning star is venus, a planet, symbolism.

satanism took control of the clergy, via babylon/talmud and egypt/india. they controlled the formation of the texts eg jewish, christian and muslim books. they add in their belief system, thus using the trojan horse method.

so when people say christianity/islam/judaism is evil/satanic, they point out the insertions of the evil elite, and then end it there. i say go one step further and do not cherry pick, and see the orgins of the inseration/symbolism, then you end up at satanism. why would the talmud include passages villifying yashuah.

lemuria/atlantis/egypt/india/babylon/europe are all a network.
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Good points

The morning Star maybe the negative aspect of sun worship, Lucifer is described as the brightest star that rises in the morning ( the sun )
Albert Pike reffered to Lucifer as Yaweh reveresed ( negative aspect of the sun ) Yahwe not reversed the opposite is positive aspect of the sun.

Talmud curses Jesus who is same as Yashuha.
Satanism perverts and reverses anything pure and good.

[eternal_spirit]

and if we are "manifesting" everything, the problem of "genius" comes up for me. Mozart's should be a dime a dozen, and the complexity of quantum mechanics resolved in grade school. do all our "good works" have an effect on the germ plasm?
..................

If it where so simple then the vast majority of the people would manifest a peacfull World.

[synergy777]

Talmud curses Jesus who is same as Yashuha.
Satanism perverts and reverses anything pure and good.


thus my rational hemisphere deduces that yeshua was a real person who the corrupt religous elite/clergy detested due to his egalitarian message.


Albert Pike reffered to Lucifer as Yaweh reveresed ( negative aspect of the sun )

Yahwe not reversed the opposite is positive aspect of the sun.

thus lucifer = evil, yahwe = good?

thus yeshua = yah is salvation.

also the sign for yah was a tree, and the yhvh was also a symbolism for the family, eg mother/father/daughter/son.

[synergy777]

also the first two pages of the real jesus thread dispell the biblical corruption.

these links are awesome.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/jesusx.html

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html#Name

a wide range of sources.

however the name might be disputed/debated, but the existence/message is not, and i think the message of compassion is more important than the name.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote: synergy777

hus lucifer = evil, yahwe = good?

thus yeshua = yah is salvation.

also the sign for yah was a tree, and the yhvh was also a symbolism for the family, eg mother/father/daughter/son.

...................

Yes, it would seem so.

“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.”
- Albert Pike “Morals and Dogma“ Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.


Although there is a modern day Satanic sinogogue of Satan We know in the Bible Jesus condemned the blood sacrafices by the pharisees

our High Priest,
Rev. Michael S. Margolin who uses Albert Pikes quote.
The Mad Poet Acbhb
Frater Inferior
Baphomet Rex 666

http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg (http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg)

http://www.sosatan.org/

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.thunderministries.net/Kabbalah/satanic.htm

[synergy777]

blood sacrifices are wrong, a source/creator does not need enrgy from its creations/us, after all it creates us!

how can the source tell us to love eachother, love nature, animals, then tell us to kill the animals/humans in petty little sacrifices, its illogical. a source which can construct the cosmos, atoms, but then requires the blood/spirit/energy of animals and human sacrifices, not logical.

we all know the role of animals/humans in satanic sacrifices, the energy released etc, the soul/lifeforce/chi is captured, we live in an energy ocean/dimension etc.

i say if you need something, then use incense/candles and just pray/give thanks. most importantly pray by doing good/compassionate deeds, thats the best prayer/sacrifice the source could ever have from us.

people need to realise we can lie to ourselves/others, but the source is clever, knows everything, so don't think you can fool him/her, you cannot. thats why i laugh sometimes at people/clergy when you know they are faking, its like you are so up your own backside/arrogant/elitest, so full of yourself, you think you, a creation can lie/fool the creator, its funny and absurd, lol

[lifeofbrian]

“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.”
- Albert Pike “Morals and Dogma“ Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.



Pike was a 24 carat deluded idiot. Why on Earth are you quoting him?

[intruder]

the following is from the SINagogue of satan website.

 “Take over.” Manipulate and change the system and environment as needed for social advancement and freedom.

SoS has ambassador and priesthood positions. These are reserved for SoS members

Questions and Answers

Statement: "Hey man you spelled Synagogue wrong."

Reply: We spell it Sinagogue because we wanted to capture the word sin, and didn't want a connection with previous terms, like church, circle, lodge, order, oasis, shrine, society, synagogue, temple etc. We wanted a new religious name for a new religion. Call it poetic license if you will. To top it off, it’s not offensive to the Jewish population or my grandparents.


Let me get this straight, he wants "SIN", which will be a personal interpretation I imagine. They highlight SoS (think "SS" of Nazi Germany) which many beyond the Jews might find offensive. but God bless 'em...he doesn't dare want to offend a Jew.

[intruder]

The Sinagogue of Satan even uses the stylized lightning bolt "S" from the Nazi's. what a freakin' joke!!

[eternal_spirit]

Pike was a 24 carat deluded idiot. Why on Earth are you quoting him?

...............


Because he was 33 rd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite. And who know what other groups he belonged too.

[lifeofbrian]

...............


Because he was 33 rd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite. And who know what other groups he belonged too.

Well yeah, he was high up on the pile of shite, but why are you quoting him?

You reckon he spoke some kind of truth?

[eternal_spirit]

Well yeah, he was high up on the pile of shite, but why are you quoting him?

You reckon he spoke some kind of truth?
.................

It's a quote from the book Morals and Dogma that he wrote which is a commentary amongst others things on the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry the real deal what they actually are taught. Do you understand now? It's from an official source ( written by a Mason saying they worship Lucifer )

[thirdwave]

.................

It's a quote from the book Morals and Dogma that he wrote which is a commentary amongst others things on the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry the real deal what they actually are taught. Do you understand now? It's from an official source ( written by a Mason saying they worship Lucifer )


are all Freemasons evil devil worshippers?

[synergy777]

all weekend i have been thinking about this, heres my thoughts. i think the power of thoughts/vibration/energy, the afterlife, the power of mass belief/creation, the unconditional love of the source etc is distorted by the elite.

why?, they control information (religion/science/history), which then controls our beliefs/thoughts and hence creation of life/manifestation of reality-matrix/maya.

this is why they use symbols to help power and maintain their illusion/matrix. they gather energy for their corrupted system/creation. they harness our mental and spiritual energy via information/beliefs and symbols. its like hypnosis, they control our thoughts/actions via information. this is why they can only rule by deception, as they only have power thorugh data corruption and manipulation. thus by keeping us misinformed they have power, if we become informed, our collective energy is too great for them.

by trapping us in medieval religous doctrines, by hiding science from us, by creating an enthrophic economic system, they have us on all levels, spiritually, mentally and physically.

together we can break free and create a better future, the power is within us, and there are higher forces at work with us, the source/angels.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/1-Apr-2008.html

Why in the Hell Do We Think Hell Exists?

Here is the case against Hell provided by Tentmaker Ministries.

By Greg Szymanski, JD
April 1, 2008

Everyone is going to Hell unless they do this or that and organized religion uses that hammer to keep money flowing and people in line until their very last breath.

The Vatican damns you to Hell if you do not follow the Pope's orders.
Christian religious leaders damn you to Hell if you don't follow Christ.
And, interestingly enough, they all use interpretations of Bible
scripture to back up claims that Hell, after life on earth, really
exists.

With this in mind, most people in the West take it for granted Hell
exists because they are told from a young age that's what the Bible
says.

Well, maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but it is wise to take a look
at the other side of the Bible coin. Yes, there really are Bible readers
who claim the holy word of God actually makes a good case against the idea that Hell exists.

In an article by Mercy Aiken from Tentmaker Ministries, here is what
they found, in part, about the case against the existence of Hell:

The case against Hell: Did you know that there is a solid scriptural
case to be made against the idea of Hell? Many non-Christians have
rejected the concept of Hell, but it may come as a surprise to learn
that there is a growing number of Bible-believing Christians who also
reject the notion-not in spite of Scripture but because of it! This
short study is meant only to raise some questions and provide brief
answers. For further study, please refer to the links at the end of the
article.

An open and unbiased study of the Bible, including many key Greek and
Hebrew words as well as Church history will reveal some surprising
things.

For instance, did you know that....

"Hell" Is Not an Old Testament doctrine:

Popular myth : Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the
Bible from start to finish. This is not true! Two thirds of the Bible
(the Old Testament) does not mention Hell at all. ("Sheol," the Old
Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means "grave"
by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when
they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). Thus the Old Testament does
not contain the concept of Hell!

Think about it...

If Hell is real, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the
beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of
Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and
brimstone.

If Hell is real, why wasn't Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah
, or any of those who committed the earliest recorded "sins?"

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten
Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws,
ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and
cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible?
Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in
Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and
evil "gods," while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of
a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first
given to pagan nations, instead of God's covenant people? Did God expect
Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why
did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children
alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna )
was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing "never even entered
His mind" (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel , if He
has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a
spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

**FACT: The King James Bible erroneously translates the word "Sheol" as
Hell a total of 31 times in the Old Testament, thus setting a foundation
for that doctrine in the New Testament as well as the majority of Bible
translations to follow the KJV. Even so, most new translations have
completely eliminated Hell from the Old Testament, as honest and better
scholarship has demanded. The Jewish version of the Old Testament (the
Tanakh) has no concept of Hell in it. The importance of this fact cannot
be over-emphasized. If a doctrine does not appear as seed form in the
books of the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms, it cannot fairly be
taught as a major biblical doctrine, if indeed it can be taught as
biblical at all!

Hell Is Not a New Testament Doctrine:

Popular myth: Jesus spoke of Hell more than He did of Heaven. This is
not true! Jesus warned the Jews many times of impending destruction,
both nationally and individually. He used several different terms to
refer to punishment/destruction, some of which were erroneously
translated as the same word, "Hell" by Bible translators. We do not deny
that God will indeed judge the whole world, nor do we wish to make light
of His judgments. We are challenging the belief that His judgment on sin
and unbelief is eternal torment/Hell and never-ending separation from
God. Certainly, Jesus spent a lot of his ministry warning people to
repent or reap the consequences, (particularly "Gehenna.") But could we
be reading more into His warnings than He originally intended?

Think about it.......

If Hell is real, why were most of the warnings pertaining to
punishment/Gehenna directed to Israel , particularly the Lord's own
disciples as well as the Pharisees? The first great cluster of
references to Gehenna, are found in the Sermon on the Mount (Mat 5:22,
29, 30), Jesus' great sermon to His disciples in which He warned that
one was in danger of Gehenna for the likes of calling someone a fool.
This is a far cry from our modern Evangelical interpretation that says
not accepting Jesus as your Savior is what sends someone to Hell.

Are we perhaps missing the symbolism that Jesus originally intended?

If Hell is real, aren't we taking verses out of context when we warn
non-Jewish sinners who are not part of the Mosaic covenant God made with
the nation of Israel about consequences for sin which have nothing to do
with them since they are not under that covenant?

Since the concept of Hell doesn't exist in the Old Testament, how could
Jesus and his disciples teach that salvation was deliverance from a
place that is not even found in their Scriptures? And if He was
introducing the subject for the first time, why did He do it so
casually, as though His listeners already understood what He was talking
about?

If Hell is real, since some English translations use the word Hell for
the Greek word "Gehenna," in the New Testament, why didn't this same
place (Gehenna) get translated Hell in the many places where it appears
in the Hebrew form "ga ben Hinnom" in the Old Testament?

If the Jews did not understand "Gehenna" as a symbol of everlasting
torture, but rather as a place of shame, filth, and defilement (where
Israel participated in the grossest form of idol worship), why does
modern theology ascribe more to the word than the original meaning did?
The teaching of Gehenna has evolved in Jewish teachings to include
punishment in the afterlife; but even today, Gehenna still does not mean
"endless" punishment to the Jews.

If Hell is real how could the Apostle Paul (who was especially
commissioned by God to preach the gospel to the nations) say that he had
declared the entire counsel of God (Acts 20:27), when indeed he never
warned of "Hell" in any of his letters? If Hell is real, wouldn't Paul,
of all people, warn of it repeatedly?

If Hell is real, the sin/death of Adam has had a far more powerful
effect on the world than the resurrection life of Christ! And yet Paul
declares in Romans 5 that Christ's victory is far greater than Adam's
transgression! Listen to Paul's confidence in the work of Christ! If
Paul believed in eternal hell for the majority of men, how could he
write the following verses?

".Just as the result of one trespass (Adam's) was condemnation for all
men , so also the result of one act of righteousness (Christ's) was
justification that brings life for all men . For just as through the
disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through
the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. ( Romans
5:18,19).

"Since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the
dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive."
(1 Cor. 15:22)

"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in
the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who
believe" (1 Timothy 4;10).

(The above verses are just a few of the many verses where Paul writes of
a pre-eminent Christ that far transcends the traditional Christian view.
This article is full of many more New Testament references by Paul that
display his views of the Christ triumphant, unlimited, all-powerful,
all-conquering, and victorious).

If Hell is real, why is it that the only time Paul even mentioned "Hell"
in any of his epistles, was declare the triumph of Christ over it? (1
Corinthians 15:55). The word "Grave" in the passage is the Greek word
"Hades."

If Hell is real, why is it not mentioned once in the book of Acts in any
the evangelistic sermons that were recorded by the early Apostles?

If Hell is real why do some of the best Bible scholars and Bible
teachers say it is not in the Greek or Hebrew text? (William Barclay,
John A.T. Robinson, Lightfoot, Westcott, F.W. Farrar, Marvin Vincent,
etc.)

If Hell is real, why does the word itself come from the Teutonic "Hele"
(goddess of the underworld "Hell" of northern Europe ). The description
of this ancient mythological place has very little resemblance anymore
to the modern Christian image of Hell. See any encyclopedia or
dictionary for the origin of the word.

FACT: The apocryphal books of the intertestimental period had a
tremendous impact on the Jews in the time of Christ. It is from these
books, especially the book of Enoch, that many of the Jewish myths and
fables concerning Hell, heaven, demons and angels and many other fables
first became a part of Judaism and from there became a part of
Christianity. The myths and fables of these books came from Pagan
influences (namely Zoroastrianism), during and after the Babylonian
captivity of Israel . In fact, Zoroastrianism looks more like modern
Christianity in many ways than ancient Judiasm does!

If Hell is real, why did Paul warn Timothy repeatedly to stay away from
Jewish myths and fables, the likes of which were influencing many in the
early church? Rather than affirming such doctrines, Paul declares them
to be profane fables. (1 Tim. 1:1; Tit. 1:14)

Hell Contradicts The Work of the Messiah:

Popular myth: Jesus came to save the sinner from his destination of
everlasting Hell. Not exactly true! Hell was never a place that the Jews
were hoping to be saved from, since they didn't even believe in it! But
they did need to be saved from their sins and consequences of them;
namely death. Jesus came as the Anointed One to fulfill all of God's
plan for the earth-that through Him might come the salvation,
deliverance of sin, peace, kingdom of God and all that God had promised
through the Old Testament scriptures. There is much we can say here, but
for the sake of brevity we will limit our points to a few key passages.
Please take the time to look up the verses that are referenced.

For the entire article, go to
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/ifhellisreal.htm

also seanx posted this, this website deserves a read.

http://www.anitamoorjani.com/

[oiram]

A NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY SPIRIT REVIVED BY THE INTERNET
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20page%20items/NEW%20AMERICAN%20REVOLUTION.htm

Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Read and forward to every Protestant and Pastor that you know


Dear Brethren in Christ,

Please read and forward to every Protestant, and every Protestant Pastor that you know.

After witnessing 6 full days of continual blasphemies committed by the so called, "Most Holy Father" and the "Vicar of Christ on Earth" and the "Pastor of the Whole World", every Protestant and every Protestant Pastor in this country needs to be put on strict notice:

That if our Pastors do not immediately abandon this diabolical ecumenical movement to unite us with the Whore of Rome and her Antichrist Pope, at best, they will be left to preach to an empty house; or at worst, they will have their apostate ecumenical posteriors kicked unceremoniously to the curb!

After what we have witnessed this week, we now know for a certainty that the ecumenical movement, a creation of Vatican Council II, is the very death of the Protestant Reformation! But we will no longer be a part of your ecumenical movement to kill the Protestant Reformation, nor to reunite us with the Whore of Rome. Neither will we submit to any authority whatsoever of the Pope, or his Canon Law, or his New World Order! Rather, we intend not only to revive the Protestant Reformation, but we intend to FINISH their unfinished business by purging out ALL the remaining leaven of Rome, which the Reformers unwisely left in the Protestant lump nearly 500 years ago! Because of this remaining leaven, which we failed to purge, now the Protestant loaf is thoroughly leavened to the point that Protestants want to go back home to Mother Rome. But we're not going! Instead, we intend to form a new lump, with no trace whatsoever of Roman leaven. And when we finish this purgation, we will expect and receive the blessing and protection of Almighty God; and no hand that is raised against us will prosper!

We will begin our purgation by removing every Papist "Pastor" from behind our Protestant pulpits. No longer will we listen to sweet sounding messages of peace and unity with Rome at the expense of the TRUTH of Christ! We have heaped to ourselves wolves in sheep's clothing who do not feed the sheep, but who feed off of the sheep, and who make merchandise of us; who tickle our ears while lulling us to sleep just before the Bridegroom returns! We repent of ALL of it, AND THEM!

Instead, we will return to our Protestant heritage and the Christ that bought us with His own innocent blood. He, and only HE, is our Shepherd! He, and only HE, is our Intercessor, and Teacher, and Pastor, and LORD, and KING! He, and ONLY HE, is our Saviour and Shepherd and blessed hope! Only HE is the Lawgiver over this, His Creation. Only HIS authority and Law do we regard as sacred. And we intend to restore His Holy Law and observe and obey all ten of them exactly as He wrote them with His own finger! And YOU apostate ecumenical "Protestant Pastors", Papists in disguise, have perverted His Law and His Gospel and have led us astray!

We've now seen for ourselves how political the Antichrist church of Rome is. We saw our "Protestant" president bow and kiss the Pope's ring and vow to put the Pope's teachings into practice in this country in blatant violation of the separation clause of our Protestant Constitution. And now we recognize that you, our Protestant Pastors, have become political animals just like them, and have drawn us into that gross error as well. Politics has no hope for God's people. We got into this mess because of the politics of fallen man instead of keeping faith and obedience to God and His Holy Law. We now see that the end result of all this politicization in the body of Christ is the complete dismantling of the Biblical and constitutional wall of separation between Church and State, which will make America into the very "Image" of the beastly church/state system that Rome dominated all throughout the dark ages. Those were the days when the Catholic church made the laws and the state enforced them with unspeakable brutality and bloodshed. Untold MILLIONS upon HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of non-Catholics were horribly persecuted and tortured and killed and their possessions and properties were confiscated by the Roman Church. And because of our careless error, that bloody history of Rome is about to repeat itself right here in America!

But Christ said, "Render unto to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. That wall of separation between church and state is a uniquely Protestant and Biblical concept that protects God's people from the tyranny of the Antichrist Roman church/state beast system. We recognize now that Rome, with the assistance of apostate ecumenical Protestantism, is tearing down that protective wall enabling Rome to overthrow the protections of our Protestant Constitution. Without that Constitutional protection, Catholicism has become emboldened and the Holy Roman Inquisition is coming to Protestant America as demonstrated by the Waco tragedy. As soon as Rome gets full control of our government, religious persecution against all non-Catholics in this country will rival anything in Rome's bloody history! But all of this is happening because we're not aware of Rome's bloody history anymore. Our ecumenical Papist Pastors and our Catholic controlled government schools don't teach us about the historical atrocities of the Roman Catholic Church anymore; nor about the sufferings of early European Protestants under the heavy hand of the Holy Roman Inquisition and the bloody Council of Trent. Why? Because they don't want us to know about it. But we're going to correct that! And if we have to meet secretly in our own houses to hear and to preach the TRUTH about it, then that's exactly what we'll do!

We renounce the Pope's ecumenism and the global religion and the global government and the global economic system that it espouses. We renounce the Pope, the god of this world and his earthly kingdom. We desire only to be citizens of Christ's Heavenly Kingdom. We acknowledge that one CANNOT be a citizen of both kingdoms as they are diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive! No longer will we serve two masters, for we have but ONE Master deserving of our service; the Invisible LORD of Glory for whom we patiently await in suffering!

No longer will we pay tithes and offerings to support any ecumenical preacher or any ecumenical council such as the World Council of Churches or the National Council of Churches or any of their subordinate ecumenical organizations or charities or foundations. No longer will we belong to churches that are government agencies regulated under IRS 501 c 3 and Homeland Security (FEMA). From now on, we render unto Caesar only the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are GOD'S! No longer will we allow you, our Papist Pastors, or this Papist government, to regulate our tongues and to stifle the Word of Almighty God. Caesar's authority ends where God's authority begins. Caesar did not create us, nor did he save us. Caesar never died for anybody and he cannot atone for his own sins let alone for ours. Let Caesar go back to Rome and await his Devine judgment. We don't intend to be destroyed with him!

We now have seen with our own eyes and can confirm that Revelation 17 speaks of none other than the Roman Catholic Church and the ten kings of her diabolical New World Order. She, the Roman Catholic Church, is the Whore, the unfaithful apostate church, who rides the bloody and sinful persecuting beast, having a 2000 year history of continually shedding the blood of God's Saints. She is the global church that sits upon many waters, peoples and tongues and nations. She is the one that sits upon the seven mountains, the seven hilled City of Rome Italy. She is that great City of a mere 108 acres that rules over the merchants and the kings and the people of the earth. She is the one who is clothed in scarlet, the color of her Cardinals; and purple, the color of her Bishops! She is the one who is decked in gold and silver and precious stones and pearls. We've now seen her beautiful ornaments for ourselves and we are no longer in doubt as to her true identity. She is none other than the Roman Catholic Church!

She is the one who has the golden cup in her hand, full of the abominations of the filthiness of her fornication (false doctrine). The golden cup is the Eucharistic cup from which she blasphemously offers up Christ again and again and again as a perpetual sacrifice, and from which she claims to eat His flesh and drink His blood. We've now seen her golden Eucharistic cup for ourselves. We've also now seen for ourselves how she uses it to blaspheme the one-time, all-sufficient blood sacrifice that Christ willingly made for us all, saying, "it is finished". Soon this apostate church, this Roman Catholic Church, which thrives on blood just like Pharaoh's Egypt before her, will have nothing but blood to drink! But that blood won't be under the species of wine! NO! She will drink the same blood that Pharaoh drank!

The Roman Catholic Church and her Antichrist Pope is the one who commands the ten kings of the ten regions of her New World Order, and it is she who leads them all to wage war against the Lamb of Almighty God. But Christ shall overcome them because HE, not the Pope, is the LORD of lords and the KING of kings! Yet, it is to her, this Whore of Rome, that all the kings of the earth pay blasphemous homage. And it is to her Antichrist Pope that they all bow, and whose hand they all reverently kiss. And now we have all witnessed these abomination for ourselves, firsthand. God's people owe no allegiance whatever to this unholy alliance, nor to any party under it's authority.

No longer will we wage war against our own Messiah by fighting and dying in Papal Proxy Wars to bring the whole world into subjection to the Whore of Rome! If she desires to rule this world, then let her fight her own wars of conquest! God Himself created the Nations when He confounded our languages at the Tower of Babel. The Nations are to remain sovereign and separate for their own protection and benefit until Christ returns to establish His Kingdom. But the Pope owns the United Nations in New York City. The Pope is the Nimrod of our day, and the UN is the Pope's Tower of Babel under which he has united the Nations. And this Protestant nation should have no part in any of it! The Nations are to be united under Christ, not under the Antichrist Pope of Rome! From now on, let the Whore of Rome draw her own blood to drink! And if she is unable to draw her own blood, then let her die of thirst. God commanded His people saying, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"! Therefore, we shall leave the Whore alone and let her fend for herself until she is dashed to pieces by the Great Stone of Daniel's prophecy.

Let us wash away the stench of our fornication with this bloody Roman Whore and return to the LORD of Glory. Let us purge all of Rome's filthy leaven from our house. No more shall we keep her blasphemous and pagan holidays and festivals and observances. Let us keep the prophetic Feasts and Sabbaths of God in Spirit and in Truth; according to the Holy Law of God, not according to the abominable and ancient Babylonian pagan traditions of the sinful men of Rome! Let us abandon the idolatry and imagery and false doctrines and abominable traditions and unholy laws and wanton bloodshed of this apostate Papal church system and cling steadfastly to the pure Gospel and the untainted doctrine that Paul preached to Christ's early church. Let us heed the wise words of Revelation 18:4. "Come OUT from her, my people, that ye partake NOT of her sins, and that ye receive not also of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and GOD hath remembered her iniquities!

Let God's people come OUT of her before it's too late!

Tom Friess
3320 Willis
Perry, IOWA 50220

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

RE: Post #30


It is amazing what a small amount of Unbiased Research can Produce!

Kind Regards: Snoops

[oiram]

The Forbidden Knowledge:
A Revelation to Adam
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It has been called, "The End Days". It has been talked about all through history by all kinds of people but not taken seriously. Today is different because many attributes that distinguish the end days from any other are in the world today. But some people are still in ignorance and are unaware.

The Church is Anti Christ

At this point I would like to question the church's interpretation of the bible. If Christ's Father did create the human race as it proclaims, why did He found a societal system of Bondage that includes dependence and knowledge deprivation then place His creation within it? Are these not evil traits? And how does the "LORD God's" behavior coincide with the modern day global elite and what their policies have done to you as they trickle down through the hierarchy of society?
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Freedom comes with Knowledge

A person's dependence ends when they acquire the knowledge that those whom they depend on possess. In other words, Freedom comes with Knowledge. The global elite know this and have molded society to work in their favor by keeping the masses ignorant.

Employment

Business, like Government is designed in such a way that no one department can change the entire system. People have been led to believe they have no power to change the system, even when the policies they are forced to conform to are destroying the environment and the human race. People need their jobs to pay the rent and to buy food so they do not create waves.

“Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.” - John F. Kennedy

Causality

If an event yields benefits, those benefits would most certainly lead us to the one or ones who are responsible for the event. How? Would you orchestrate an event to benefit someone other than yourself?

Since the Oklahoma bombing the Government has gotten more control and power over the people it governs then in any point in history. So much so, that one would have to ask, “Are ‘We the People’ victims of Causality?”

This attack upon our civil liberties isn’t something that started recently. In fact, it began long before your Great Great Grand Parents were even born

Those who control Education control history.

The Eradication of Individualism

Living within a control system (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/jeffrense/index.htm)

Hosea 4:6; "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Christ is asking, "What good are you to me being ignorant?" More importantly, what good are you to Christ if you do not see how Satan's demons work in the world system?

Most people who believe in the Church's interpretation of the bible would reject the idea that Christ's Father DID NOT create the human race, yet that is exactly what the facts reflect.

When it all depends on the money it is called, “Oppression”. Both Oppression and Dependence are products of Bondage. Bondage is slavery.

op•press
tr.v. op•pressed, op•press•ing, op•press•es
To keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority: a people who were oppressed by tyranny.
To weigh heavily on: Poverty oppresses the spirit.
Obsolete. To overwhelm or crush.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer
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