How very tiny we are

[tinmenace]

Most of you have probably seen this in an email, but I thought I'd post it for the benefit of those that have not seen it. ;)

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/image001.jpg

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[purple is a fruit]

Yep, it's all about perspective....Thanks for that tinmenace

[jinjo5]

...and that is only a minute part of the universe.
we virtually dont exist.
or are we only virtual anyway?:eek:
Astronomy was my first love has a kid and ive always been blown away by the numbers,like the distances between planets,let alone stars and galaxies.I still cant get my head around it,how tiny we are.
If space is infinite and it just goes on and on,would it be the same with inner space?
How far does it go beyond atoms and quarks.
does it go forever inward.
I read once,many moons ago,that infinity is a sphere.
If you set off in a spaceship and just kept going you would eventually end up where you started from.....eventually.gunna take an awful long time.

[cheeb]

IS there a similar pictoral analogy to do with time

[seanx]

They are extraordinary pictures.

I had no idea. Amazing

[lookfar]

WOW how amazing is that!!?

It's shocking to see just how insignificant we are in comparison to the planets we CAN see, let alone the dimensions that we can't, even though we're all connected!!:eek: Mindblowing stuff!!!

Thanks for sharing :)

[jinjo5]

IS there a similar pictoral analogy to do with time
time and space are the same thing,arent they?
According to einstein,and its pretty much accepted by scientists today.

[lottie]

and people still say- we are alone in the universe!!! :rolleyes:

[king]

and people still say- we are alone in the universe!!! :rolleyes:

you read my mind!

that is exactly what pictures evoked in my mind -- that we are so tiny, itsy bitsy planet, yet many think that "we are the rulers of the universe" ?!

for god's sake, we still burn toxic carbon based fuel that we breathe in afterwards, we still pollute and rape our own food supplies and our environment, we still kill our own planet, our mother, provider of life -- yet we are the only intelligence in universe?!

if you think a bit -- we are doing the same things that cancer cells are doing -- trying to kill their host and by doing so they kill them self.

[jinjo5]

and people still say- we are alone in the universe!!! :rolleyes:
I think the universe is teeming with life but cos of the vast distances involved maybe we havent been visited yet....in a conventional sense.
Then you start to talk of wormholes,paralell universes,different dimensions,time travel etc.
You have to remember we humans maybe not all that clever.
how long ago was it we discovered electricity?
weve barely crawled out the caves,we know next to nothing yet.
Wish i could come back in a million years say and see what weve learnt and discovered.............nothing is invented,only discovered.

[lookfar]

you read my mind!

that is exactly what pictures evoked in my mind -- that we are so tiny, itsy bitsy planet, yet many think that "we are the rulers of the universe" ?!

for god's sake, we still burn toxic carbon based fuel that we breathe in afterwards, we still pollute and rape our own food supplies and our environment, we still kill our own planet, our mother, provider of life -- yet we are the only intelligence in universe?!

if you think a bit -- we are doing the same things that cancer cells are doing -- trying to kill their host and by doing so they kill them self.

Interesting take on it there King & I completely agree - we are acting much like a cancer. Roll on the changes I say & start healing our beautiful planet earth who gives us so much!:)

[klinker]

Amazing. The first time I had a real feeling for how small and insignificant we are in the realms of space was when watching the opening sequence of the film Contact. I know it was CGI but it still created the right impression I think. :cool:

In fact I'm going to dig it out and watch that sequence now. :)

[jinjo5]

you read my mind!

that is exactly what pictures evoked in my mind -- that we are so tiny, itsy bitsy planet, yet many think that "we are the rulers of the universe" ?!

for god's sake, we still burn toxic carbon based fuel that we breathe in afterwards, we still pollute and rape our own food supplies and our environment, we still kill our own planet, our mother, provider of life -- yet we are the only intelligence in universe?!

if you think a bit -- we are doing the same things that cancer cells are doing -- trying to kill their host and by doing so they kill them self.
I must admit king my opinion of global warming has changed over the last few weeks.
The vast majority of CO2 is caused by the oceans themselves.naturally.
man's contribution is tiny.
We still do mistreat this planet something rotten,in saying that.
but have you noticed since all the scaremongering about global warming
that the destruction of the rain forests never even gets a mention on the news now.very suspicious.

[earthseed]

Whatever the majority are taught by the 'masters' is always disinfo the truth is not for them. And really they don't want it. It's a burden that has no solution. Existence is not fun and it doesn't end. Who wants to know that but the few?

[tinmenace]

you read my mind!

that is exactly what pictures evoked in my mind -- that we are so tiny, itsy bitsy planet, yet many think that "we are the rulers of the universe" ?!

for god's sake, we still burn toxic carbon based fuel that we breathe in afterwards, we still pollute and rape our own food supplies and our environment, we still kill our own planet, our mother, provider of life -- yet we are the only intelligence in universe?!

if you think a bit -- we are doing the same things that cancer cells are doing -- trying to kill their host and by doing so they kill them self.

How profound!

[tinmenace]

I think the universe is teeming with life but cos of the vast distances involved maybe we havent been visited yet....in a conventional sense.
Then you start to talk of wormholes,paralell universes,different dimensions,time travel etc.
You have to remember we humans maybe not all that clever.
how long ago was it we discovered electricity?
weve barely crawled out the caves,we know next to nothing yet.
Wish i could come back in a million years say and see what weve learnt and discovered.............nothing is invented,only discovered.


Indeed!

[tinmenace]

Yep, it's all about perspective....Thanks for that tinmenace

You're welcome :)

[tinmenace]

WOW how amazing is that!!?

It's shocking to see just how insignificant we are in comparison to the planets we CAN see, let alone the dimensions that we can't, even though we're all connected!!:eek: Mindblowing stuff!!!

Thanks for sharing :)

You're welcome Lookfar. :)

[tinmenace]

and people still say- we are alone in the universe!!! :rolleyes:

I know it, right?! Unreal.

[jinjo5]

How profound!
Somehow,i dont think mother earth will allow a mould like the human race to destroy her.

[tinmenace]

Amazing. The first time I had a real feeling for how small and insignificant we are in the realms of space was when watching the opening sequence of the film Contact. I know it was CGI but it still created the right impression I think. :cool:

In fact I'm going to dig it out and watch that sequence now. :)

Glad this inspired you! Those images have the same effect on me!

[siliconpsychosis]

Amazing images. Thanks Tinmenace.

I was wondering, if the largest sun in the image (Antares) was placed in the same position as our sun, how far into our solar system would it reach?

[jinjo5]

They are extraordinary pictures.

I had no idea. Amazing
you had no idea?.....are 3 year old?
With respect,if you arent interested in astronomy
then you would have no idea.

[2013]

imagine if you will that beings exist on those planets and are in the same proportion to their home planet as we are on ours .Then imagine if they visited us here .Giants maybe they made the ancient monuments long ago but to them it was their equivelant of legoland or toytown .Could've happened :D

[them]

Amazing. The first time I had a real feeling for how small and insignificant we are in the realms of space was when watching the opening sequence of the film Contact. I know it was CGI but it still created the right impression I think. :cool:

In fact I'm going to dig it out and watch that sequence now. :)

The youtube video below is dedicated to Carl Sagan, the author of Contact. Its called;

The Hubble Deep Field: The Most Important Image Ever Taken

The Hubble Deep Field: The Most Important Image Ever Taken - YouTube

I hope you liked it.

Car Sagan - Contact (http://www.speedyshare.com/361801837.html)

[tinmenace]

imagine if you will that beings exist on those planets and are in the same proportion to their home planet as we are on ours .Then imagine if they visited us here .Giants maybe they made the ancient monuments long ago but to them it was their equivelant of legoland or toytown .Could've happened :D

Ok, those are actually suns/stars, but it would be very interesting to know about their planets. If one of their planets was the same relative size to Antares, for example, as what Jupiter is to our sun, can you imagine how massive it would be comparing to the earth?

Makes "Honey, does my butt look fat in these jeans" seem soooo very insignificant, doesn't it? :p

[tinmenace]

Jinjo, not everyone is interested in it the way we are. Be cool, dude...

[jinjo5]

Jinjo, not everyone is interested in it the way we are. Be cool, dude...
point taken tin;:)

[tinmenace]

Amazing images. Thanks Tinmenace.

I was wondering, if the largest sun in the image (Antares) was placed in the same position as our sun, how far into our solar system would it reach?

You're welcome! I read a very very interesting article on exactly how massive those suns are and how much space they would take up. Um, can't remember exactly how it was worded but here's a caption from Wikipedia;

"...if in place of our sun, its outer surface would extend between the orbit of Mars and Jupiter..."

Pretty darn big!

[tinmenace]

point taken tin;:)

Thank you. ;)

[jinjo5]

The youtube video below is dedicated to Carl Sagan, the author of Contact. Its called;

The Hubble Deep Field: The Most Important Image Ever Taken

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBV-cXVWFw

I hope you liked it.

Car Sagan - Contact (http://www.speedyshare.com/361801837.html)
I Thought carl sagan was a great cosmologist,his book and film contact were brilliant.
Also loved his book Cosmos.
I think though he took part in a lot of disinformation about UFO'S.
I always got the feeling he wanted to let the public know what he knew but wasnt allowed to.still a great fella though,yes ,i know he died a few years ago.
Re:deep field image:Its images like that just blow me away.
Absolutely mind boggingly,staggeringly wonderful.
Dont know why im trying to put my feelings into words..im failing miserably.

[king]

I must admit king my opinion of global warming has changed over the last few weeks.
The vast majority of CO2 is caused by the oceans themselves.naturally.
man's contribution is tiny.
We still do mistreat this planet something rotten,in saying that.
but have you noticed since all the scaremongering about global warming
that the destruction of the rain forests never even gets a mention on the news now.very suspicious.

oh, i do agree with you that we are not destroying the planet, not even close as psychopaths in power are.
they are the ones spreading DU on all life, even blasting nukes in Van Allan Belts, they are the ones fucking up the ionosphere, they are the ones raping the planet for profit.
Not to even mention chemtrails and designer diseases and GM food.

But, all i did is I put myself in shoes of those who are indoctrinated -- the majority of the sheeple and I proclaimed those words from their perspective, which is perspective of those who are ignorant.


Now, from my perspective, yes I did noticed global warming card that they are pushing now, they are still pushing it gently, i think, because they are afraid it may backfire if pushed to hastily as pushing "evil reptilians/aliens are here to get us" that is "operation Bluebeam" seems to be derailed now, thanks to the fact that many exposed this intended SCAM and the fact that not many believe the alien invasion nowadays as they did with Orson Wells' fake invasion that was delivered before WWII, and most importantly -- this would be impossible in information age.

Because, with cell phone and instant messaging proliferation that would be a very difficult thing to pull
out. Imagine media telling you one thing and your friend that is at alleged place of alien invasion is telling you: "dude, there are no spaceships here, just bunch of people
doing <whatever>"


Yes, real problems, like destruction of rain forests, chemtrails, HAARP, ELF, various forms of mind control, destruction of economy... etc are not even mentioned.
This is a sure way (so far) to tell if a threat is real or fake.

because the real threats are never mentioned in media, only the fake or orchestrated threats.

this does not mean that one day they may not mix real and fake, to confuse us, but so far this is a pretty good indicator how things are.

So, I got the feeling that global warming (scam) will be tied with "overpopulation" and "we are destroying the planet" and maybe even a global tax.
Of course, the weather changes will be blamed on human activity too, but with proliferation of instant communication mechanisms -- this would be a difficult thing to pull off successfully, me thinks.


if planet and people were left to their own devices -- we would not have to worry about much at all.
almost all of the problems that we face now are
taken off some PTB's design board to be used in typical PRS scenario.


can you think about one thing that those mofos have not lied about?

[king]

I Thought carl sagan was a great cosmologist,his book and film contact were brilliant.
Also loved his book Cosmos.
I think though he took part in a lot of disinformation about UFO'S.
I always got the feeling he wanted to let the public know what he knew but wasnt allowed to.still a great fella though,yes ,i know he died a few years ago.
Re:deep field image:Its images like that just blow me away.
Absolutely mind boggingly,staggeringly wonderful.
Dont know why im trying to put my feelings into words..im failing miserably.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/menupop.gif
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/menupop.gif

interestingly, SAGAN = NAGAS backwards

The Naga are thought to be semi-divine snakes with human faces and serpents tales. It is in the Patala, a watery region under the earth that they reside.
http://www.nagasden.com/images/others/tsrnaga.jpg
http://www.nagasden.com/facts.html

The word Naga comes from the Sanskrit, and nag is still the word for snake, especially the cobra...

http://www.khandro.net/mysterious_naga.htm

Nagas and Serpents
The ancient traditions and scriptures from different continents talk about a race of serpent beings endowed with superhuman powers. The scriptural and folkloric resources are used to present more complete picture of them and their ancient and recent interaction with humans.
http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r073101a.shtml


The Naga are thought to be semi-divine snakes with human faces and serpents tales. It is in the Patala, a watery region under the earth that they reside.

It was by his subtle but powerful charms that the Naga Apalala was able to keep the wicked dragons in check. He prevented them from scourging the countryside with violent rainstorms. Asian dragons are quite often associated with the life-giving waters. Thanks to the Naga Apalala this countryside prospered and the grain grew thickly. In gratitude each family offered him a bit of grain as tribute. After some time several of the inhabitants of the place began to forego the yearly offering. The Naga became angry and prayed that he might become a poisonous dragon so that he could drench the countryside in rain and wind. So it is that at the end of his life he became the dragon of that country. To this day Rajas (local princes) in the Hindu Kush are said to be able to control the elements as their influence over local dragons provides.

http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~geog309i/ideas/dragons/naga.html
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now, I find his last name a bit strange.
coincidence or?

[siliconpsychosis]

"...if in place of our sun, its outer surface would extend between the orbit of Mars and Jupiter..."

Pretty darn big!

Wow! Thanks TinMenace. Thats truly amazing. Heres another question.

Do you think the energy from Antares would be great enough to affect the temperature of planets in other star systems? Or more specifically how far away from Antares would planets still be affected by its energy?

Do you think our solar system may be heated up from suns more distant than Sol?

[2013]

Ok, those are actually suns/stars, but it would be very interesting to know about their planets. If one of their planets was the same relative size to Antares, for example, as what Jupiter is to our sun, can you imagine how massive it would be comparing to the earth?

Makes "Honey, does my butt look fat in these jeans" seem soooo very insignificant, doesn't it? :p

lol hi ok so they are stars and suns who says life has to originate on planets .I read inthe psychic news magazine from back in the 20's and 30's that they had contact with the beings from the sun not the news?paper
our nearest star . The beings supposedly had four arms and legs and were circular in design , if i rememeber correctly a bit spider like if u ask me although i didnt think of it at the time of reading lol.The web weavers creators of this realm as the sun gives life also ? so you are a tone 13 eh ? :D

[tinmenace]

http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/icon_bump.gif

[cycles of time]

and just as things can expand infinitely..they can contract infinitely...TIME AS WELL.


so what may be a year to us..is a microsecond on another much larger planet..


and since size and time is relative.. our cells probably harbour "galaxies" ,where civilizations live out their destinies..over millions of years..and to us it is a mere second...

we really have no idea WTF is going on...

[cew91]

Introducing how very large we are

http://blograge.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/med22-germs.jpg
http://www.longcatgraphics.com/Art/Germs.jpg
http://www.tenafly.k12.nj.us/~asandt/bp_1bacteria.jpg
http://www.scharfphoto.com/fine_art_prints/archives/199812-026-Staph-Bacteria.jpg

Be careful where you sit! you could flatten a universe
http://www.pitt.edu/~bookctr/giftsapparel/gradgifts/chair.jpg

[seercirra]

interesting name of the topic O_o.

[seeker1111]

ahhh

thank you so much for posting this!

reinforces my opinion that it really is all a matter of perspective :)

[hw spartan]

very nice thread.
i love the heavens:rolleyes:

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Compared to antares we must nearly be on macroscopic level :D Nothing more than human bacteria :D

[blondina1]

Great post!

[tabea_blumenschein]

Wow! Thanks TinMenace. Thats truly amazing. Heres another question.

Do you think the energy from Antares would be great enough to affect the temperature of planets in other star systems? Or more specifically how far away from Antares would planets still be affected by its energy?

Do you think our solar system may be heated up from suns more distant than Sol?

That's an interesting question. Let's see if we can answer it.

Before we consider Antares, let's try estimating how much energy from the Sun actually strikes the Earth.

We know that the Earth orbits the Sun at a distance of 93 million miles (about 149,700,000,000 meters). From Sun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on the Sun, we find that the Sun's total power output is about:

P(sun) = 3.846*10^26 Watts

Okay, that's enough for us to go on. The Sun is radiating energy evenly in all directions, so we can model the Solar energy propagating through space as an expanding sphere. The formula for calculating the surface area of a sphere is:

A(sphere) = 4 * pi * radius-squared

with the radius in this case being the distance from the Sun to the Earth. Using our previously given figure of

r=149,700,000,000 meters

And solving for A, we get:

A = 2.816135*10^23 square meters

Finally, we divide P by A and find that the distribution of Solar energy in the vicinity of the Earth is:

1365.7 Watts per square meter

If you read the WikiPedia article I linked to, you'll find that their estimate is about 1370 Watts per square meter. So our simple estimate differs by only 4.3 Watts per square meter. Not bad.

~

Now let's consider a star producing energy at the same rate as the sun, but 600 light years away from Earth (that's the distance from here to Antares). That distance is:

5,680,000,000,000,000,000 meters.

We'll use the same steps to compute Watts per square meter as we did previously. Solving for A:

A = 4.0547381*10^38 square meters

Dividing P by A (using P=3.846*10^26 as before) we get a distribution of energy at our distance from the star equal to:

.000000000000949 Watts per square meter

That's an incredibly tiny amount of energy! Of course, stars vary in the amount of energy they produce, as well as their distance from Earth, but we see that so little of their energy reaches us that it won't have a significant effect on the Earth's temperatures.

~

Incidentally, the amount of energy being produced by the Sun can be determined with this famous equation:

E=mc^2

Each second, the Sun is converting about 4 million tons of matter into energy. If we change that figure to 4,000 million kilograms, and we know that the speed of light is about 300,000,000 meters per second (the equation requires the units be kg and m/s), we can work out the energy produced:

E = 4,000,000,000 * (300,000,000)^2

E = 3.6*10^26 Joules per second (Watts)

Compare that to the figure given above: P(sun) = 3.846*10^26 Watts. Again, we're pretty close, considering we were using only very rough estimates for mass and the velocity of light.

[infinite_consciousness]

Wow! We are truely like a grain of salt in this whole universe. Very nice pictures!

[loki]

a few things come to mind when seeing this

1. Maybe there is a super "sun" or "star" that everything revolves around

2. Do large planets inhabitance grow to scale of their planets

3. if that is earth how insignificant are humans

4. We clearly know nothing about the universe and the world .. imagine all the life and minerals and mysteries are out there .... we havnt even sorted out our own yet

[janhus]

Most of you have probably seen this in an email, but I thought I'd post it for the benefit of those that have not seen it. ;)


here is another picture which goes to the bigest star

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/njofra666/xpyJeAPwKeIv.gif

[Anders Lindman]

Most of you have probably seen this in an email, but I thought I'd post it for the benefit of those that have not seen it. ;)


It's a good presentation of how a snapshot of few stars shows how tiny our planet is. Is Earth the only planet with life in the entire universe with zillions of stars? I doubt it. Life is a part of the processes of the universe and I find it hard to believe that life on Earth is just a monumental 'accident'. There is way too much advanced creation going on for life to be a mere random consequence.

Even if I'm not sure I suspect that there are very advanced ET civilizations out there and that the reason they have not officially contacted us yet is because we are still in quarantine until we have matured enough and are ready to become a citizen of the intergalactic community.

"I'll tell you one thing about the universe, though. The universe is a pretty big place. It's bigger than anything anyone has ever dreamed of before. So if it's just us... seems like an awful waste of space. Right?" -- From the movie Contact

[danster82]

doesnt it get bigger than that with Canis Majoris

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I34FNr_peUk

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VO2CsBXE1TQ&feature=related

[smariot]

I want to make my own scale picture of everything from strings to the universe itself, but I don't believe the software to do this has been written yet. Maybe I should write it.

[tabea_blumenschein]

I'm bumping this thread for the wonderful picture sequence janhus posted. :)

[tinmenace]

here is another picture which goes to the bigest star

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/njofra666/xpyJeAPwKeIv.gif

Spectacular! Thanks for sharing that!

Makes the global financial meltdown seem so minuscule and irrelevant, doesn't it?