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manchurian_candidate

22-04-2008, 01:08 PM

manchurian_candidate

22-04-2008, 01:34 PM

What should I do, leaflets? Protesting? HELP!!!! :(

asentinel

22-04-2008, 01:35 PM

Get someone with "profile" on your side?? Get on the internet and find a medical person who has published something and contact them to do a phone interview on your radio station/ any local or community tv productions? Send a barrage of letters (use local business people to sign off on them) to local papers? Contact parents and teachers to see if you can be creative in getting info out there. Organise a public meeting? Get help to bring it up at local meetings, eg. church or chamber of commerce? Hold an information meeting at your local library? mobilise.... :D

lemonique

22-04-2008, 01:39 PM

Hmmmm.......get in touch with your MP. See if there is a way to organise a referendum on this issue.

Make up a flyer with relevant information about the dangers of flouride and distribute far and wide.

Just a couple of ideas....good luck!

Lemonique

truthseeker1980

22-04-2008, 02:01 PM

Leaflets, protests would be good, but if it is only you then that wont make a difference.

If i were you I would find all the information you can about it being a poison, all the dangers and ring your water board ask someone there for their email and a generic customers services email, then send all your info through to those emails, do the exact same thing with your local council, send to as many emails within the council as possible.

I would send emails to most the companies on the island too, sales@..... most will have.

good luck

lookfar

22-04-2008, 02:04 PM

OMFG, that's not good honey!!:mad:

There's some good advice on here already, but check out the sticky thread about letter to the water board (here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19429)) as there were some good links in there too...

Best of luck with it all, don't let the bastards fluoridate your water whatever you do!! Get everyone you know to write saying that they refuse to pay their water bills if this goes through too!

asentinel

22-04-2008, 02:12 PM

Remember people can delete perceived "junk" email???

91181

22-04-2008, 02:31 PM

Buy a water distiller

ripe4change

22-04-2008, 05:40 PM

I believe that the agenda is set. You may slow it down a little but can not defeat it.

eternal_spirit

22-04-2008, 05:46 PM

What should I do, leaflets? Protesting? HELP!!!! :(
...............

Move to Lancashire. :D we have fluoride free water, apart from the naturally occuring fluoride, which is naturally found in untampered water. I think this was an argument used to stop them adding extra.

Try get a petition going either on paper or online or both, local newspapers website.

asentinel

23-04-2008, 08:56 AM

I believe that the agenda is set. You may slow it down a little but can not defeat it.

If something has not yet happened, then it is not set in stone??? Someone can set an agenda, which can be defeated by definition, and the fact that is has not yet come to pass!

Are you working for "them"??? To discourage people from doing anything and taking back their power? :eek:

exicutioner151

23-04-2008, 10:41 AM

We had some info through the door yesterday here on the Isle of Man regarding Water Fluoridation and the benefits blah blah blah. The decision has not yet been 'officially' made but I cant let this happen. What the heck can I do to stop this or to make people aware of the dangers?

If a large number of people make it known that they dont agree then maybe they wont be able to bring it in because they know it is public knowledge there is huge oppostion?

Please give me some advice!!! :(:(:(:confused:

Hi Manchurian ,
Problem is even if the world country state island rejects this and doesent want it , Do u trust ur gov's that they will take no for an answer? With no one wanting it they can say ok we wont do it , while smiling and behind thier backs dumping the flouride in the water system where u cannot see. only way to know for sure is get a test kit specificly for flouride take a base reading befor the date and one a few weeks afteer. If u find none befor the date and its decided they wont do it , but after u get a positive result this can be grounds for the gov to be ousted if u have enough backers.

Exicutioner151

llogun

23-04-2008, 01:09 PM

Hi if they go a head with the floride in the water you can buy a reverse osmosis machine this takes all the crap out the water ive got one and the go under the sink there about £80 but they are the best on the market. you get them from ebay. you can tast the diffrance when it as gone through the machine

manchurian_candidate

23-04-2008, 01:54 PM

celtic isis

23-04-2008, 05:42 PM

Thanks for all your posts everyone! I have been speaking to someone who is involved in the plans and it seems (off the record :rolleyes:) that it is not going to go ahead just yet. I am going to wait to hear more info and take it from there. If they do go ahead then I guess the distiller is the only way forward...

Thanks again everyone!!!! :) xxx

blimey good luck manchurian candidate and well done you for taking action :) good luck with it, i really hope they don't mess with the water...you'd want to drink the stuff in the city in ireland where i'm from, our dog would never drink it, dad had to collect rein water for him lol my dad has moved out of the city now after 8 years and the dog drinks the water now in his new home lol

manchurian_candidate

23-04-2008, 05:45 PM

blimey good luck manchurian candidate and well done you for taking action :) good luck with it, i really hope they don't mess with the water...you'd want to drink the stuff in the city in ireland where i'm from, our dog would never drink it, dad had to collect rein water for him lol my dad has moved out of the city now after 8 years and the dog drinks the water now in his new home lol

Cheers Celtic :):)

Clever pooch not drinking it!!!

I will post when I know a bit more, I know someone heavily involved in it through my job so I have been subtly interrogating them...;)

celtic isis

23-04-2008, 06:36 PM

Cheers Celtic :):)

Clever pooch not drinking it!!!

I will post when I know a bit more, I know someone heavily involved in it through my job so I have been subtly interrogating them...;)

definitely a clever pooch! sucks though i drank that crap for years :( back in my sheeple days...but now i only drink bottled stuff from the french mountains lol (not evian lol)

good luck with the subtle interrogating ;)

manchurian_candidate

24-04-2008, 10:20 AM

definitely a clever pooch! sucks though i drank that crap for years :( back in my sheeple days...but now i only drink bottled stuff from the french mountains lol (not evian lol)

good luck with the subtle interrogating ;)

Thanks hunni! :) xx

lookfar

05-06-2008, 01:03 PM

Hey honey, have you got any updates on this? The reason I ask is that I've just received my local free newspaper & on the front page is "VOTE ON FLUORIDE" as they're planning on putting the shite into our water here as early as Jan 2009!!:eek:

There's a Great Fluoride Debate which is only open until tomorrow (ha one days notice, how good of em!:rolleyes:), which is here (http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/fluoride/). I wonder if I can vote lots of times, gonna give it a go, as I'm NOT happy about this one bit!!:mad:

EDIT: Nah won't let me vote more than once, bummer:(

Time to get some things printed off & educating people about this. Might start at my sons school first...

micklemus

05-06-2008, 01:26 PM

Current legal framework in England (not sure if this includes Isle Of Man) is as follows. You will appreciate from reading these sections that local authorities are charged with calling the shots.

I'll see what else I can find for you.

WATER ACT 2003
Water fluoridation
This version in force from: February 18, 2005 to present

(version 1 of 1)
58 Fluoridation of water supplies(1) The WIA is amended as follows.
(2) For section 87 (fluoridation of water supplies at request of health authorities) there is substituted–

“87 Fluoridation of water supplies at request of relevant authorities(1) If requested in writing to do so by a relevant authority, a water undertaker shall enter into arrangements with the relevant authority to increase the fluoride content of the water supplied by that undertaker to premises within the area specified in the arrangements.
(2) But a water undertaker shall not be required by subsection (1) above to enter into any such arrangements until an indemnity with respect to the arrangements has been given by virtue of section 90 below–

(a) to the water undertaker; and
(b) to any licensed water supplier which is entitled to one.
(3) In this section and the following provisions of this Chapter–

(a) references to a relevant authority–

(i) in relation to areas in England, are to a Strategic Health Authority established under section 8 of the National Health Service Act 1977;
(ii) in relation to areas in Wales, are to the Assembly; and
(b) references to water supplied by a water undertaker are to water supplied (whether by a water undertaker or a licensed water supplier) to premises using the supply system of that undertaker.
(4) The area specified in arrangements under this section may be–

(a) in relation to England, the whole or any part of the area of the Strategic Health Authority in question;
(b) in relation to Wales, such area comprising the whole or any part of Wales as the Assembly may determine.
(5) The arrangements shall be on such terms as may be agreed between the relevant authority and the water undertaker or, in the absence of agreement, determined in accordance with section 87B below.
(6) Those terms shall include provision–

(a) requiring the relevant authority to meet the reasonable capital and operating costs incurred by the water undertaker in giving effect to the arrangements;
(b) specifying circumstances in which the requirement to increase the fluoride content may be temporarily suspended; and
(c) for the variation of the arrangements at the request of the relevant authority.
(7) The relevant authority shall consult the Authority in relation to the terms to be included in any arrangements under this section (in particular, terms which affect the operation of the water undertaker's supply system).
(8) If two or more relevant authorities request a particular water undertaker to enter into arrangements in respect of adjoining areas–

(a) the authorities shall co-operate with each other so as to secure that the arrangements (taken together) are operable and efficient; and
(b) if suitable terms are not agreed for all the arrangements, a combined reference may be made by the relevant authorities under section 87B below to enable the terms of each set of arrangements to be determined so that they are consistent.
(9) If a relevant authority requests a water undertaker to vary arrangements, the authority shall co-operate with any relevant authority for an adjoining area which has entered into arrangements with the same water undertaker so as to secure that following the variation the arrangements (taken together) will be operable and efficient.
(10) If suitable terms are not agreed for a variation mentioned in subsection (9), a combined reference may be made by the relevant authorities under section 87B below to enable the terms of the variation to be determined so that (following the variation) both sets of arrangements are consistent.
(11) Before carrying out the consultation required by subsection (1) of section 89 below in relation to a step mentioned in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of subsection (2) of that section, a relevant authority shall consult the water undertaker in question as to whether the arrangements which would result from taking that step would be operable and efficient (or, where it is proposed to terminate the arrangements, as to whether it would be reasonably practicable to do so).
87A Target concentration of fluoride(1) Arrangements under section 87(1) above shall include provision for securing that, so far as reasonably practicable, the concentration of fluoride in the water supplied to premises in the specified area is maintained at the general target concentration of one milligram per litre.
(2) But the arrangements may provide for the concentration in the specified area (or any part of it) to be lower than that if the relevant authority considers that it is not reasonably practicable to achieve the general target concentration in the specified area (or that part of it).
(3) Any such lower concentration must still be as high as is reasonably practicable in the circumstances.
(4) If, in relation to any area (“area A”), an order under section 88A(1) below specifies a general target concentration lower than that for which any arrangements effective there provide (or, by the previous operation of this subsection, are taken to provide), the arrangements shall have effect from the coming into force of the order as if they provided for the general target concentration specified in the order (subject to the operation again of subsections (2) and (3) above).
(5) If the result of the operation of subsection (4) above in relation to arrangements in area A is that in an area adjoining area A (“area B”) it is not reasonably practicable to maintain the concentration of fluoride in the water supplied by virtue of arrangements made in area B with the same water undertaker, the order shall be taken to extend also to area B so far as those arrangements are concerned, and subsection (4) above shall apply accordingly.
(6) An order under section 88A(1) below which in relation to any area specifies a general target concentration higher than that for which any arrangements effective there provide (or are taken to provide by virtue of subsection (4) or (5) above) does not have effect to increase the concentration for which the arrangements provide (or are taken to provide).
(7) In this section, “specified area” means the area specified in arrangements under section 87(1) above.
87B Fluoridation arrangements: determination of terms(1) This section applies if a relevant authority and a water undertaker fail to agree–

(a) the terms of arrangements requested by the relevant authority pursuant to subsection (1) of section 87 above; or
(b) a variation in the terms of those arrangements following a request by the relevant authority pursuant to subsection (6)(c) of that section.
(2) In relation to areas in England (except where subsection (4) below applies)–

(a) the relevant authority may refer the matter to the Secretary of State for determination;
(b) following such a reference, the Secretary of State may–

(i) determine the terms of the arrangements as he sees fit; or
(ii) refer the matter for determination by such other person as he considers appropriate; and
(c) the determination of the Secretary of State or, as the case may be, the other person shall be final.
(3) In relation to areas in Wales (except where subsection (4) below applies)–

(a) the Assembly may–

(i) determine the terms of the arrangements itself as it sees fit; or
(ii) refer the matter for determination by such other person as it considers appropriate; and
(b) the determination of the Assembly or, as the case may be, the other person shall be final.
(4) Where the Assembly is one of the relevant authorities which has made a combined reference under section 87(8)(b) or (10) above–

(a) the terms of the arrangements shall be determined by a person appointed by the Secretary of State and the Assembly acting jointly; and
(b) the determination of that person shall be final.
(5) Following determination under this section of the terms to be included in any arrangements–

(a) the relevant authority shall give notice of the determination to the water undertaker in question; and
(b) the undertaker shall be deemed to have entered into the arrangements under section 87(1) above on the terms determined under this section with effect from the day after the date of the notice.
(6) References in this Chapter to arrangements entered into under section 87(1) above shall include arrangements deemed to have been entered into under that section by virtue of subsection (5)(b) above.
87C Fluoridation arrangements: compliance(1) It shall be the duty of each water undertaker to comply with any arrangements entered into by it under section 87(1) above.
(2) Where, pursuant to any such arrangements, the fluoride content of any water is increased, the increase may be effected only by the addition of one or more of the following compounds of fluorine–

hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6)
disodium hexafluorosilicate (Na2SiF6).(3) Subject to subsection (4) below, water to which fluoride has been added pursuant to any such arrangements entered into by a water undertaker (with a view to its supply in an area) may be supplied by that or any other undertaker to premises in any other area (whether or not that other area is the subject of arrangements under section 87(1) above).
(4) Subsection (3) above applies if (and only if) the undertaker or undertakers concerned consider that it is necessary for the water to be supplied in the other area–

(a) for the purpose of dealing with any serious deficiency in supply; or
(b) in connection with the carrying out of any works (including cleaning and maintenance) by the undertaker concerned or, as the case may be, by the undertakers concerned, or by a licensed water supplier supplying water using its or their supply system.
(5) In this section–

(a) the reference, in subsection (3) above, to water to which fluoride has been added pursuant to arrangements includes a reference to water to which fluoride has been added by Scottish Water in exercise of the power conferred by section 1 of the Water (Fluoridation) Act 1985; and
(b) in relation to a supply of such water by a water undertaker, the reference, in subsection (4) above, to the water undertakers concerned shall have effect as references to the water undertaker and Scottish Water.
(6) In subsection (4) above, “serious deficiency in supply” means any existing or threatened serious deficiency in the supply of water (whether in quantity or quality) caused by an exceptional lack of rain or by any accident or unforeseen circumstances.
(7) Arrangements entered into under section 87(1) above shall remain in force until the relevant authority, after giving reasonable notice to the water undertaker, terminates them.
(8) But (except where it is reasonably practicable to terminate the arrangements separately), arrangements to which section 87(8)(a) or (b) applied may only be terminated by the relevant authorities acting jointly.”
(3) In section 88 (power to vary permitted fluoridation agents), in subsection (1), for “87(4)” there is substituted “87C(2)”.
(4) After section 88 there is inserted–

“88A Power to vary target concentration of fluoride(1) The appropriate authority may by order made by statutory instrument provide that section 87A(1) above is to have effect as if for “one milligram per litre” there were substituted a lower concentration specified in the order.
(2) An order under subsection (1) above may make different provision for different geographical areas, or for some such areas and not others.
(3) A statutory instrument containing an order under subsection (1) above shall not be made by the Secretary of State (or by the Secretary of State and the Assembly acting jointly) unless a draft of the instrument has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.
(4) In subsection (1) above “appropriate authority”–

(a) in relation to an area which is partly in England and partly in Wales, means the Secretary of State and the Assembly acting jointly;
(b) in relation to an area which is wholly in England, means the Secretary of State; and
(c) in relation to an area which is wholly in Wales, means the Assembly.

(5) An order amending or revoking an order under subsection (1) above made by virtue of subsection (4)(a) above must also be made by the Secretary of State and the Assembly acting jointly.”
(5) For section 89 there is substituted–

“89 Consultation(1) Before taking any step mentioned in subsection (2) below, a relevant authority shall–

(a) consult and ascertain opinion in accordance with regulations made by the appropriate authority; and
(b) comply with the requirements set out in regulations made by the appropriate authority.
(2) The steps are–

(a) requesting a water undertaker to enter into arrangements under section 87(1) above;
(b) requesting a water undertaker to vary any such arrangements in, or except in, prescribed circumstances or cases;
(c) giving notice to a water undertaker under section 87C(7) above to terminate any such arrangements;
(d) maintaining any such arrangements in prescribed circumstances.
(3) Regulations–

(a) under paragraph (a) of subsection (1) above shall include provision about the process which relevant authorities are to follow for the purposes of that paragraph;
(b) under paragraph (b) of that subsection shall include provision about the requirements which must be satisfied (with respect to the outcome of that process or otherwise) before a step mentioned in subsection (2) above may be taken.
(4) Subsection (1) above shall not apply in relation to a proposal by a relevant authority to take the step mentioned in subsection (2)(c) above if the appropriate authority so directs by an instrument in writing (and such a direction may apply either generally or in relation to a particular proposal).
(5) In this section “appropriate authority”–

(a) in a case where two or more relevant authorities (one of which is the Assembly) propose to request a particular water undertaker to take a step mentioned in subsection (2)(a), (b) or (c) in respect of arrangements in adjoining areas, means the Secretary of State and the Assembly acting jointly;
(b) in relation to England (except in a case to which paragraph (a) applies), means the Secretary of State; and
(c) in relation to Wales (except in a case to which paragraph (a) applies), means the Assembly.”

(6) For section 90 (indemnities in respect of fluoridation) there is substituted–

“90 Indemnities in respect of fluoridation(1) The Secretary of State may, with the consent of the Treasury, agree to indemnify any water undertaker in respect of liabilities which it may incur in complying with arrangements entered into by it pursuant to section 87(1) above.
(2) The Secretary of State may also, with the consent of the Treasury, agree to indemnify any licensed water supplier in respect of liabilities which it may incur–

(a) in supplying water to which fluoride has been added by a water undertaker by virtue of any such arrangements;
(b) (if the licensee is introducing water into the water undertaker's supply system) in complying with any obligation imposed on it by the undertaker in consequence of the arrangements.
(3) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision with respect to–

(a) the matters in respect of which an indemnity may be given under subsection (1) or (2) above;
(b) the form and terms of any such indemnity; and
(c) such ancillary matters as he sees fit.
90A Review of fluoridation(1) A relevant authority which has entered into arrangements under section 87(1) above shall–

(a) monitor the effects of the arrangements on the health of persons living in the area specified in the arrangements; and
(b) in accordance with subsections (3) to (5) below publish reports containing an analysis of those effects.
(2) The relevant authority shall make available–

(a) any information collected by it for the purposes of subsection (1) above; or
(b) summaries of that information.
(3) The relevant authority shall publish a report under subsection (1)(b) above within the period of four years beginning with the date on which the arrangements come into force (unless section 91(1) below applies in relation to the arrangements).
(4) Where section 91(1) below applies in relation to the arrangements, the relevant authority shall publish a report under subsection (1)(b) above within the period of four years beginning with the date on which section 58 of the Water Act 2003 came into force.
(5) The relevant authority shall publish a further report under subsection (1)(b) above within each period of four years beginning with the date on which their last such report was published.
(6) This section ceases to apply in relation to any arrangements under section 87(1) above if those arrangements are terminated.”
(7) For section 91 (pre-1985 fluoridation schemes) there is substituted–

“91 Pre-1985 fluoridation schemes(1) With effect from the appointed day, relevant pre-1985 arrangements shall be treated for the purposes of this Chapter as if they were arrangements entered into by the water undertaker in question with the relevant authority under section 87(1) above.
(2) The relevant authority may request such modifications to the arrangements as it considers necessary in order to give effect to subsection (1) above, for example to insert the terms mentioned in section 87(6) above.
(3) If the relevant authority and the water undertaker fail to agree the modifications requested by the authority–

(a) subsection (2), (3) or, as the case may be, (4) of section 87B above shall apply as if the parties had failed to agree the terms of arrangements requested under section 87(1) above; and
(b) following determination of the modifications–

(i) the relevant authority shall give notice of the determination to the water undertaker; and
(ii) the arrangements shall be deemed to have been modified as so determined with effect from the day after the date of the notice.
(4) Sections 87(11) and 89(1) above (which relate to consultation) shall not apply to the deemed entry into, and modification of, arrangements by virtue of this section.
(5) References in this Chapter to arrangements entered into under section 87(1) above shall include arrangements treated as entered into by a water undertaker by virtue of subsection (1) above.
(6) In this section–

“the appointed day” means the day on which section 58 of the Water Act 2003 comes into force; and“relevant pre-1985 arrangements” means arrangements in pursuance of which a scheme for increasing the fluoride content of water was being operated by a water undertaker by virtue of paragraph 1 of Schedule 7 to this Act immediately before the appointed day.”(8) In section 213 (powers to make regulations), after subsection (1) there is inserted–

“(1A) But on the occasion of the first exercise by the Secretary of State of the power to make regulations under each of sections 89 and 90 above, the instrument containing the regulations shall not be made unless a draft of the instrument has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.
(1B) The power of the Assembly to make regulations under section 89 above shall be exercisable by statutory instrument.”
(9) Schedule 7 (pre-1985 fluoridation schemes) shall cease to have effect.
(10) In section 1(7) of the Water (Fluoridation) Act 1985 (c. 63) (water fluoridated outwith Scotland), for the words from “by a water undertaker” to the end there is substituted

“pursuant to arrangements–

(a) entered into under section 87(1) of the Water Industry Act 1991; or
(b) treated, for the purposes of Chapter 4 of Part 3 of that Act, as if entered into under that section.”.
(11) With effect from the commencement day, any relevant application shall have effect for the purposes of subsection (1) of section 87 of the WIA as a request made by a relevant authority under that subsection.
(12) Any other application made before the commencement day ceases to have effect on that day.
(13) In subsections (11) and (12)–

“commencement day” means the day when this section comes into force, and“relevant application” means an application which– (a) was made before the passing of this Act,
(b) has not been withdrawn, and
(c) has not been rejected in writing by the water undertaker to which it was made.
(14) In subsections (12) and (13) “application” means an application made under section 87 of the WIA as it was in force at the time when the application was made (and includes an application made under section 1 of the Water (Fluoridation) Act 1985 and having effect as if made under section 87 of the WIA.

micklemus

05-06-2008, 01:29 PM

This isn't yet in force but it is well worth reading.....

Water Act 2003 c. 37Explanatory NoteThis version in force from: Date not available

(version 1 of 1)

PART 3: MISCELLANEOUS

Section 57 The Drinking Water Inspectorate

327. Section 57: The Chief Inspector of Drinking Water and the Drinking Water Inspectorate.

This section amends section 86 of the WIA which enables the Secretary of State to appoint persons to act as what are currently described as “technical assessors” for the enforcement of water quality. The amendments reflect the fact that such assessors are more generally known as the Drinking Water Inspectorate.

328. Subsection (3) enables the Secretary of State to designate one inspector as the Chief Inspector of Drinking Water; for the Assembly to designate a Chief Inspector of Drinking Water for Wales if the relevant functions are transferred to the Assembly (by virtue of the Transfer of Functions Order); and, where the same person is designated to act in both capacities, for that person to be known as the Chief Inspector of Drinking Water.

329. Subsection (7) increases from £5,000 to £20,000 the maximum penalty available in the magistrates' court for the offence of failing to provide inspectors with assistance or information, and enables cases to be brought on indictment before the Crown Court, where the offence is punishable by a fine.

330. Subsection (8) enables the Chief Inspector of Drinking Water to institute prosecutions, in relation to drinking water quality, in his or her own name, and this also applies to the Chief Inspector of Drinking Water for Wales.

Section 58 Water fluoridation

331. Section 58: Fluoridation of water supplies.

The current provisions within section 87 to 91 of WIA allow health authorities to request water undertakers to fluoridate water supplies but place no duty on water undertakers to accede to such requests. This section replaces sections 87 and 89 to 91 of the WIA (fluoridation of water supplies at the request of health authorities). These provide for fluoridation of water supplies where Strategic Health Authorities (in relation to England) and the Assembly (in relation to Wales) make arrangements with undertakers.

332. New section 87 puts water undertakers under a new statutory obligation to accede to requests from Strategic Health Authorities (in relation to England) and the Assembly (in relation to Wales) to enter into arrangements to fluoridate water supplies. Water undertakers are not required to enter into arrangements unless an indemnity under new section 90 has been given.

333. New subsection 87(7) provides that the relevant authority shall consult with the Water Services Regulation Authority in relation to the terms to be included in the agreement, particularly those which affect the operation of the water undertaker's supply system. New subsection (8) requires that where, for example, a water distribution system overlaps the boundaries of two adjoining SHAs, they co-operate in making arrangements to fluoridate with a water undertaker.

334. New section 87A(1) restates that the concentration of fluoride in the water supply shall be maintained at a target concentration of one milligram per litre. New subsections (2) to (5) provide for SHAs or the Assembly to make arrangements for a lower concentration where it is not technically practical to achieve one milligram per litre.

335. New section 87B introduces provision for determination of terms, where the relevant authority and a water undertaker fail to agree the terms of an arrangement to fluoridate.

336. New section 87C(2) restates the two chemical compounds which are permitted to be used in fluoridating water supplies. Subsections (3) and (4) allow water companies to supply fluoridated water in areas not covered by arrangements under section 87 where it is necessary to do so due to operational constraints, such as dealing with serious deficiency in supply.

337. New section 88A introduces new regulation making powers for the Secretary of State (and the National Assembly for Wales) to reduce the target concentration of fluoride to below one milligram per litre. This might be appropriate if, for example, it was found that as a result of increased use of discretionary fluorides like toothpaste, the desired reductions in tooth decay could be achieved at lower concentrations of fluoride in the water supply. Reductions may apply nationally or to a particular region.

338. New section 89 provides for consultations. It introduces new regulation making powers for the Secretary of State (and the National Assembly for Wales) to make regulations on the consultation process which relevant authorities will have to follow before requesting water undertakers to enter into arrangements or varying or terminating them.

339. New section 90 provides for the Secretary of State (with the consent of the Treasury) and the National Assembly for Wales, to indemnify water undertakers and licensed water suppliers in respect of liabilities which they may incur in complying with the arrangements for fluoridation and introduces a new regulation making power enabling the Secretary of State (and the National Assembly for Wales) to make provision in relation to the matters in respect of which an indemnity may be given and the forms and terms of such indemnity.

340. New subsection 90A requires SHAs with fluoridation schemes to monitor their effects on the health of their populations and publish reports on their findings at four yearly intervals.

341. New section 91(1)–(6) provides for the existing pre-1985 fluoridation schemes to be treated as if they been established under the amended Act except that the consultations required on proposals for new fluoridation schemes do not apply to them. Subsection (9) repeals the provisions of section 91 of the WIA and Schedule 7 to the WIA that related to pre-1985 fluoridation schemes. Subsection (10) is a consequential provision providing for amendments to the WIA to be reflected in the Water Fluoridation Act 1985 which is still in force in Scotland. (The Scottish Parliament would be responsible for any wider changes to the legislation governing fluoridation in Scotland). Subsections (11) to (14) provide that certain outstanding applications made by health authorities to water companies to fluoridate their water be treated as requests under new section 87(1) of the WIA.

micklemus

05-06-2008, 01:32 PM

See also this article. Suggest you pressure your local Strategic Health Authority as well.

Journal of Planning & Environment Law2004

Legislative CommentNew Water ActMartha Grekos

Subject: Water law. Other related subjects: Environment. Utilities

Keywords: Environmental protection; Licensing; Sewerage; Water quality; Water supply

*J.P.L. 286 The Water Act was granted Royal Assent on November 21, 2003. The Water Act 2003 builds upon existing legislation to:

1. further the sustainable use of water resources;

2. strengthen the voice of water consumers;

3. increase the opportunity for competition in the supply of water; and

4. promote water conservation

The Act links water abstraction licensing to local water resource availability. It moves from a licensing scheme based on purpose of use to one based on volume consumed and time-limited licences will increase flexibility to make changes to abstraction rights in the face of climate change and increased demand.

The Act provides a new regulatory framework for the water industry to improve quality of service. It strengthens regulatory consistency and transparency by replacing the Director General of Water Services with a Regulatory Authority. The Act also places consumers at the heart of water regulation by setting up an independent Consumer Council for Water.

In addition to establishing the Water Services Regulation Authority (the “Authority”) and a Consumer Council for Water, the Act will introduce changes to the regulatory system in that:

• a duty to protect the interests of consumers is made central for the Authority;

• the Authority and the Consumer Council are given a duty to exercise and perform their powers and duties in the manner which they consider is best calculated to contribute to the achievement of sustainable development;

• the Authority must take account of guidance on social and environmental matters issued by the Secretary of State or the National Assembly;

• the Authority, Secretary of State and National Assembly shall be empowered to fine a company up to 10 per cent of its turnover, if it fails to meet appointment conditions, standards of performance or other obligations;

• water and sewage companies will be required to disclose any links between directors' pay and company performance;

• the Competition Commission will be given the discretion to fairly allocate costs of price determination appeals between customers and shareholders;

• a system to licence new entrants to supply water services to large non-household users will be established. There will be an eligibility threshold set initially at an annual consumption of 50 megalitres; and

*J.P.L. 287 • the licensing system will regulate the relationship between the new entrant and the appointed undertakers, and ensure continuing standards for drinking water and coherent water resource planning.

Part 3 contains a number of provisions to amend the regulatory system:

• there will be stronger powers for the Drinking Water Inspectorate to institute proceedings and for magistrates to impose higher fines where water companies supply unfit water or fail to provide information;

• the Authority is given the power to offer greater financial protection to persons paying for water or sewerage services provided with the help of (but not by) a water or sewerage company;

• changes will be made to legislation to facilitate streamlined arrangements for flood defence organisation and funding;

• water companies will be required to pay for replacement fire hydrants that they remove during mains renewal/refurbishment work;

• there will be new powers for the Coal Authority to take action to prevent and clean up mine water pollution from abandoned coal mines;

• there will be changes to the definition of contaminated land, in relation to water pollution, to ensure that minor cases are not subject to inappropriate requirements;

• there are measures to facilitate the process of transferring a discharge consent from an existing consent holder to a new holder;

• there will be a new power for the Secretary of State to make regulations which clarify and make minor improvements to the trade effluent consenting regime;

• there will be provisions to allow for new lateral drains (between the curtilage of the property and the main sewer) to be built to an adoptable standard;

• organisations (essentially developers) will be able to enter an agreement with water undertakers to lay water mains and communication pipes in accordance with standards set by the undertaker;

• the local Strategic Health Authorities will be given the power to decide if fluoride should be added to local water in consultation with local communities;

• there will be provision for the Secretary of State to make regulations to place a duty on sewerage undertakers to exercise their existing powers, under s.102 of the Water Industry Act 1991, to adopt private sewers under defined circumstances;

• there will be a duty on the Secretary of State to take appropriate steps to encourage water conservation and to report to Parliament on progress every three years; and

• all public authorities will have a duty to have regard to water conservation.

The Act gives new entrant water suppliers the opportunity to supply water to large commercial and industrial consumers. This signals a new approach to competition in the water industry.

The Act also enables local communities to decide whether they wish to have their water fluoridated. It makes Strategic Health Authorities responsible for decisions on fluoridation based on their assessment of local opinion following wide ranging consultations.

J.P.L. 2004, Mar, 286-287

manchurian_candidate

05-06-2008, 01:44 PM

Cheers Mike!

It is looking hopeful at the moment - fingers crossed! :D

manchurian_candidate

05-06-2008, 01:47 PM

micklemus

05-06-2008, 03:26 PM

My pleasure. Everyone needs to keep well aware of what's going on here.

At the moment (and I emphasise that) Kent is OK but you will see from my previous postings that it only takes a decision at council level for it to happen.

Keep vigilant, monitor your water company's website and any developments at local authority and strategic health authority level. Sign any petitions you can.

....and buy an osmosis kit.......

pri01

05-06-2008, 10:43 PM

All this regulation and safety conscious attention to the quality of water we drink. We supposedly have evolved over thousands of years to get where we are today. What the heck did we drink that was so unsafe or unfit for us that we managed to survive as a species until now? As an add on about flouridating the water in the Isle of Man, a large proportion of the population is elderly and as such, I'm sure would have very few teeth to worry about saving. So why mass medicate? Must be trying to finish them of quickly.

micklemus

06-06-2008, 12:44 PM

I implore everyone in Northern England, the Midlands and Anglia to read this BMA article, but people UK wide should be aware of it too -

http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/Water+fluoridation

Note also the following passage justifying this practice-

Studies have shown [see reference 3] that children in non-fluoridated under-privileged areas of the UK are more likely to have teeth extracted due to tooth decay than those in either affluent, or similar, but fluoridated areas. For example, 5-year-olds in non-fluoridated Manchester suffer almost two and a half times more tooth decay than those in fluoridated Birmingham and almost three times more than their peers in affluent West Surrey. A few miles from Birmingham is fluoridated Sandwell, one of the most socially deprived districts in the country. Thanks to water fluoridation, the dental health of young children in Sandwell is excellent. The BMA deplores such avoidable health inequalities.

Now note this from Sandwell NHS Trust (you can find it on their website) -

Access to NHS dentistry best in the region

Monday, 01 October 2007

Despite public perception, Sandwell has the best level of NHS dental access in the West Midlands region.

With the introduction of the new dental contract in 2006, a lot of areas saw the level of NHS dentistry available plummet. In Sandwell this did not happen and out of 43 practices in the area, 42 offer NHS dental services. A Mori Poll commissioned by NHS West Midlands showed that almost 60% of Sandwell residents felt that access to an NHS dentist could be improved whereas in actual fact they have the best access in the region. In the past two years 74.7% of people (almost 214,000) in Sandwell have seen an NHS dentist, compared to 55.7% in England and 57.9% in the West Midlands. Karen Elley Consultant in Dental Health for Sandwell Primary Care Trust said, “We would like to reassure Sandwell residents that they can access an NHS dentist should they need to.

“We recognise that there are fewer dentists in Oldbury and Tipton and will be concentrating on those areas to deliver improvements but in the context of a regional position, Sandwell residents have good access to NHS dentistry.”

In short, the BMA's justification is UTTER BOLLOCKS and can be shot down with only 5 minutes research! You don't need many brain cells (perhaps the flouride will help you lose them though) to work out that tooth decay in poor areas has sod all to do with non-flouridated water and everything to do with people not having the money to afford decent food (nutrition is so important for teeth) and dental care. The BMA suggests Sandwell demonstrates that this isn't so because Sandwell is a poor area with good dental health thanks, supposedly, to fluoridation. What they don't tell you is that Sandwell is one of the leading areas in the country for free dental care on the NHS, so flouride has nothing to do with it! However, this folks is the justification for poisoning your water!

And if you still wonder whether the BMA could be acting independently and objectively on this, think again - look at the email address at the bottom of the article. The campaign is being co-ordinated by their Parliamentary Unit!!

I've previously given details of the public bodies who you should contact about fluoridation in your area but I would strongly recommend that everyone emails the BMA at the address provided in this article. Their conduct in this both shocks and insults the intelligence.