Absent fathers should NOT pay child maintenance

[steppewar]

When a woman receives sole custody of a child, the father should not have to pay a penny towards it's future upbringing.

If, in the eyes of the law, the father is no longer legally responsible for looking after the child, then he should also no longer have to financially contribute towards it's upkeep.

The current system is the equivalent of a father paying a child kidnapper endless ransom money to no avail, as he will never again be able to look after his kid.

[norton]

hmm, i don't quite agree. the father is still responsible for bringing that life here, and in this society it's almost impossible to exist without money in some form. why should it just be left to the mother and tax payers to pay for some blokes child? either be careful or WAIT at least 5 years before you have kids.

They have no-one to blame but themselves. make them pay.

[revelations]

The CSA is corrupt as fuck! :mad:

If you work for the CSA and you are reading this ...you should be ashamed of yourself!

[norton]

The CSA is corrupt as fuck! :mad:

If you work for the CSA and you are reading this ...you should be ashamed of yourself!


??? what are you ranting about? i don't doubt for milli-second that anyone who WORKS for the CSA is not corrupt. It's the people above them you need to look at. For the workers it's just a job. that's like saying anyone who works in a bank is involved in international arms smuggling or whatever. it's the people at the top who are corrupt.
Ashamed for working? (i don't work for the csa by the way) it's better than being an unemployed loser living off government hand outs while complaining about them at the same time....hypocritical bastards. (not you...unless you are unemployed)

dur!

[revelations]

Have you ever tried speaking to these p***ks on the phone? ...have you ever had to deal with these people? :rolleyes:

...wether i work or not is none of your business.

??? what are you ranting about? i don't doubt for milli-second that anyone who WORKS for the CSA is not corrupt. It's the people above them you need to look at. For the workers it's just a job. that's like saying anyone who works in a bank is involved in international arms smuggling or whatever. it's the people at the top who are corrupt.
Ashamed for working? (i don't work for the csa by the way) it's better than being an unemployed loser living off government hand outs while complaining about them at the same time....hypocritical bastards. (not you...unless you are unemployed)

dur!

[norton]

Have you ever tried speaking to these p***ks on the phone?:rolleyes:

...wether i work or not is none of your business.

so because you spoke to one or two people that couldn't understand what you were on about, that makes them ALL corrupt!! hmm, think you need a dictionary then read icke's biggest secret if you want to know what corrupt really is!!

ok, from that reply i presume you are unemployed. loser. no wonder the courts don't want you to see your kids. what kind of role model are you?

[revelations]

You really are one fucked up individual aint ya! :Dso because you spoke to one or two people that couldn't understand what you were on about, that makes them ALL corrupt!! hmm, think you need a dictionary then read icke's biggest secret if you want to know what corrupt really is!!

ok, from that reply i presume you are unemployed. loser. no wonder the courts don't want you to see your kids. what kind of role model are you?

[norton]

You really are one fucked up individual aint ya! :D



hmm, don't think i quite get what you are trying to say there.

first of all, you don't much more dumb-down moron than saying ain't. THERE IS NO SUCH WORD. look it up in the dictionary. it's right there above 'uh?' (as in excuse me or pardon).

how am i fucked up? please explain this wisdom, this moment of clarity you just experienced, what could even be a message from the other side you enlightened cock sucker.

[zero1]

Money is a curse, but given that none can do without it under the present system...

If a woman gets full custody with no visiting rights for the father, then it is his duty and he is honour-bound to pay for the childs upkeep. If you cannot afford a child in all circumstances, don't have one - simple as that. Think before dipping your dick in that woman.

Contrary to your OP-inion, a man is duty and (I feel) honour-bound to provide allowances for his ex-spouse and their child(ren).

What do you expect the woman to do, raise them and work a full-time job on her own?! Get a fucking grip...:rolleyes:

[norton]

Money is a curse, but given that none can do without it under the present system...

If a woman gets full custody with no visiting rights for the father, then it is his duty and he is honour-bound to pay for the childs upkeep. If you cannot afford a child in all circumstances, don't have one - simple as that. Think before dipping your dick in that woman.

Contrary to your OP-inion, a man is duty and (I feel) honour-bound to provide allowances for his ex-spouse and their child(ren).

What do you expect the woman to do, raise them and work a full-time job on her own?! Get a fucking grip...:rolleyes:

EXACTLY!

[revelations]

I agree a father should financialy support the upbrinning of a child!

I just dont agree with the Government helping themselves to your wages ...and then have the cheek to charge you admin fee to deduct it from your wages!

When that money could be going direct to the child/ren!

[zero1]

I agree a father should financialy support the upbrinning of a child!

I just dont agree with the Government helping themselves to your wages ...and then have the cheek to charge you admin fee to deduct it from your wages!

When that money could be going direct to the child/ren!

So, why wasn't the thread title "I hate Gov bastards that take my Child support money!"?

[lookfar]

Can we please tone down the personal insults in here - thanks :)

This is a touchy subject (probably why the post was made in the first place imo:rolleyes:). Personally my ex provides for my son very adequately & I have no need to get the CSA involved as I feel they take things a bit too far. I'm lucky in that we still get on well but can also understand the need of some people who don't & struggle to bring up their kids without some sort of financial help from their ex's. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I seriously doubt if the OP has any personal experience to speak from with regard to this situation, but I could be wrong here as I'm just assuming....

[dondaz]

This is a touchy subject. As long as there is corrupt government involvement there will always be problems from that side of things. The csa are about making money and forcing themselves into peoples lives under the guise 'it's for the kids.' If they were really concerned about the kids they would be screeming everytime a local council kidnaps children from good parents by deception.

My girl and I have three wonderful kids and neither of us would see them go without if we were'nt together. I think there's too much bitterness involved when some couples split up and the ego takes over. Retribution rears its ugly head and the games start. This adds to the kids grief even more. They are played like a bad game of chess and get knocked from pillar to post for the sake of the ego of the parent.

The csa is no answer to the problems. Educating parents to be more considerate to their childrens needs is the real key to the issues.

[montag]

This is a touchy subject.
Yes it is, typical of all the threads steppewar opens, always controversial and if you also notice the opening post is all he makes, never makes a second post to defend his OP or answer opposing views, he just comes in to general, drops a big turd then pisses off, what a guy..:rolleyes:

[steevo]

Yes it is, typical of all the threads steppewar opens, always controversial and if you also notice the opening post is all he makes, never makes a second post to defend his OP or answer opposing views, he just comes in to general, drops a big turd then pisses off, what a guy..:rolleyes:

I dont know why anyone replies top steppewar's threads, they are a waste of time and always purposely controversional/hateful.

[lookfar]

I dont know why anyone replies top steppewar's threads, they are a waste of time and always purposely controversional/hateful.

I second that steevo:) However, we do have people on here who like nothing better than to create this sort of thing, I'm assuming it gives them something to do with their time, it's quite sad really imho, but I suppose it takes all sorts eh:(

[montag]

I second that steevo:) However, we do have people on here who like nothing better than to create this sort of thing, I'm assuming it gives them something to do with their time, it's quite sad really imho, but I suppose it takes all sorts eh:(
Yes it does, only 272 posts yet I just counted the threads created by this poster, 124 :eek:. Says it all really..

[tinmenace]

:rolleyes: Of course the child is caught in the middle of the juvenile power struggles between the so-called adults. How utterly sad and pathetic.

"Don't have children if you can't afford them" is quite right, but once the child is here, that point is moot.

At no time should a child EVER be punished for coming into the world. Adults... ALL adults should have some part in helping to raise children. It takes a village to raise a child is a true statement.

We need to get off the ME, ME, ME trip, and realize that we're all in this together, and the more we help one another, the more we're helping ourselves.

Adults need to carry their own bullshit baggage and not unload their hang-ups onto their children. Utter crap! :mad:

[cruise4]

Everyone's a moderator, or forum advisor these days... any just 'members' left? :D

[revelations]

Why dont you ask the person who started this thread? :rolleyes:
So, why wasn't the thread title "I hate Gov bastards that take my Child support money!"?

[revelations]

LOL :D, and some say we are sad for having this discussion, well at least some of us aint so sad that we have to live on this forum 24/7, and have to rely on cyber friends ...that is so pittyfull! :rolleyes:

...SPEND A LIL LESS TIME HERE CRITISISING PEOPLE ...AND SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR OWN CHILD!!!!


Everyone's a moderator, or forum advisor these days... any just 'members' left? :D

[frankanne]

Yes it does, only 272 posts yet I just counted the threads created by this poster, 124 :eek:. Says it all really..

Well spotted Montag. Sounds like a very clever technique - a bit like the Adelphi Technique used to influence peoples' opinions. Social engineering that the 'elite' love to use on us unsuspecting people. You probably know about it anyway, but look it up on google anyone, who hasn't heard of this technique.

What's happening on this thread and lots of others by the sound of it is a similar scam drawing out genuine people in order to flatten them and then get others to join in the fight. I suppose it only takes two 'technique' users. One to say something a bit outrageous, the other to take an opposing view and then the original poster stands back and watches the fun while everyone rips each other apart.

Clever techniques these people use eh?

[klinker]

Yes it is, typical of all the threads steppewar opens, always controversial and if you also notice the opening post is all he makes, never makes a second post to defend his OP or answer opposing views, he just comes in to general, drops a big turd then pisses off, what a guy..:rolleyes:

Otherwise known as a seagull poster. Flies in, craps over everything and then flies away. :D

I have nothing good to say about the CSA. :mad:

[lumukanda]

what really gets to me is parents who use the children as leverage against their ex-spouses, but i feel if i had a part in bringing a child into the world, he or she is my responsibility, no matter the relationship between the mother and me. but responsibility is not a word people like to hear anymore, unless it's got a huge cash settelment in their favour attached to it.

[loderlive]

Absent fathers should pay but government is not the answer. My half bother split up with his girlfriend but has his child stay over ever weekend, puts money away for her in a bank account, spends money on her for food and clothes and has gone to court seeking parental rights. He wants equal responsibilty. Why then should he have to pay money to the government. He has been threatened to pay £3,000 to the CSA or face legal action. What right do they have to interfere between a father and a daughter. They adore each other. It's the people that are responsible not the absent fathers that get screwed. I personally wouldn't pay anything the CSA but instead do everything in my power to show that I am a responsible parent. If they want to imprison me for that then go ahead.