Masonfree Lodge in London

[secondfamilyuk]

OK, Guys,

SF has come up with a plan to open our first Masonfree Lodge in London. The Masons are controlling our communications and our biggest problem is the distance between us. We have to work like the Masons (without the ulterior motives) to take us forward.

Let's keep this simple and let me know how you feel about this. we need your collective ideas, suggestions and help ASAP

You can phone or email me at www.secondfamily-uk.com Make sure you get a reply as the Criminal Masons are desperate to stop us all. I am prepared to move to London and work seven days a week for free. Masons welcome, without the cowardly stealth.

Please forward this to anyone you think is interested or could help.

Sincerely yours,

Joe Stirling (now read all the masonic donkey comments below as they hide behind the curtains, tee hee

[the guy in pink]

Is this going to be a Timber structure then? What about floor coverings, just cowdung and sawdust?

[jacob sladder]

Never mind a 'Masonfree' Lodge in London; how about a 'Secondfamilyfree' Internet?

Any takers......?;)

[perry_mason]

Is Joe even being serious any more? I can't tell if this is an attempt at wit or a serious proposition.

If Joe et al believes the lodge and all it's undertakings to be evil, why would he want to start his own?

[mike martin]

OK, Guys,

SF has come up with a plan to open our first Masonfree Lodge in London. The Masons are controlling our communications and our biggest problem is the distance between us. We have to work like the Masons (without the ulterior motives) to take us forward.

Let's keep this simple and let me know how you feel about this. we need your collective ideas, suggestions and help ASAP

Either phone ******* or email me at Removed Make sure you get a reply as the Criminal Masons are desperate to stop us all. I am prepared to move to London and work seven days a week for free.

Please forward this to anyone you think is interested or could help.

Sincerely yours,

Joe

excellent is it free?

Mike

[barney_rubble]

OK, Guys,

SF has come up with a plan to open our first Masonfree Lodge in London. The Masons are controlling our communications and our biggest problem is the distance between us. We have to work like the Masons (without the ulterior motives) to take us forward.

Let's keep this simple and let me know how you feel about this. we need your collective ideas, suggestions and help ASAP

You can phone or email me at www.secondfamily-uk.com Make sure you get a reply as the Criminal Masons are desperate to stop us all. I am prepared to move to London and work seven days a week for free. Masons welcome, without the cowardly stealth.

Please forward this to anyone you think is interested or could help.

Sincerely yours,

Joe Stirling (now read all the masonic donkey comments below as they hide behind the curtains, tee hee

Joe - I wish you well in this endevour. It will stand or fall on its own merit.

What does one have to pay to join a Masonfree Lodge?

[chrism]

Joe - I wish you well in this endevour. It will stand or fall on its own merit.

What does one have to pay to join a Masonfree Lodge?

A year's salary? :D

Chrism

[barney_rubble]

A year's salary? :D

Chrism

Great minds ...

[danielson23uk]

excellent is it free?

Mike

Of course it's Free Mike! He's not in it for the money you know. I'm sure all us London masons will happily attend!:rolleyes:

[edelweiss pirate]

Mason scumbags, still at least if you're here you're not kiddie fiddling.



I'm in London Joe, let's meet up and compare notes. Any time. PM me I'll give you my phone number.

The longer these mason bastards are here the less mischief they'll get up to. Look on the bright side. Still they should be banned as a matter of course.... still, so few people actually know their enemy the way Joe and I do.

Most people have NO idea what they're dealing with. You can read all the Icke you want... it still doesn't prepare you for their real satan inspired insanity. Deep and twisted it is. A horror to behold. Count yourself lucky to be ignorant because few can view the truth and remain sane.

[mike martin]

Mason scumbags, still at least if you're here you're not kiddie fiddling.
You're so cutesy:D!

Mike

[perry_mason]

Mason scumbags, still at least if you're here you're not kiddie fiddling.

I'm in London Joe, let's meet up and compare notes. Any time. PM me I'll give you my phone number.

The longer these mason bastards are here the less mischief they'll get up to. Look on the bright side. Still they should be banned as a matter of course.... still, so few people actually know their enemy the way Joe and I do.

Most people have NO idea what they're dealing with. You can read all the Icke you want... it still doesn't prepare you for their real satan inspired insanity. Deep and twisted it is. A horror to behold. Count yourself lucky to be ignorant because few can view the truth and remain sane.

LOL:D

"I'm in London Joe, let's meet up and compare notes. Any time. PM me I'll give you my phone number"

Have fun, you two will make a fine couple, you appear to be kindred spirits.

"Count yourself lucky to be ignorant because few can view the truth and remain sane"

Evidently.

[chrism]

Mason scumbags, still at least if you're here you're not kiddie fiddling.



I'm in London Joe, let's meet up and compare notes. Any time. PM me I'll give you my phone number.

The longer these mason bastards are here the less mischief they'll get up to. Look on the bright side. Still they should be banned as a matter of course.... still, so few people actually know their enemy the way Joe and I do.

Most people have NO idea what they're dealing with. You can read all the Icke you want... it still doesn't prepare you for their real satan inspired insanity. Deep and twisted it is. A horror to behold. Count yourself lucky to be ignorant because few can view the truth and remain sane.

You do make me laugh! But let's look at this seriously, instead of as the joke it so clearly is...

You accuse us of being kiddie fiddlers, which is rich coming from a known paedophile. With my masonic references and links to police and security services I was able to check the sex offender's register and criminal record - honestly you could have blamed a mature looking 15 year old on your ignorance, but a 6 year old boy? Filth.

Of course, I have no PROOF of this, but you are not interested in PROOF, now are you...?

And saying 'few can see the truth and stay sane' - is that why you are so mental?

Stay away, nonce.

Oh - and PROVE you have never touched a kid and I will believe you. Until then I am happy to live in a bubble of my own imagination, scared of shadows and fearful for my sanity.

If you can't see the irony, then it really is too late for you...

Chrism

[elirien]

Well since all the Freemasons in our forum "attack" this guy with very interesting and insightful comments I'll have another look at his website. There must something other pissing you guys off then just his attitude about masons (which is his free choice and I support this in many ways).

I for one am against any sort of secret and ritualistic organization what so ever. what ever it is called. Masonry, the O.T.O., Christianity (oh yes thats quite secretive too), distant government members (well...) etc.

Ridicule and questioning of sanity were in some cases the first steps towards a new order of things. It is the same mind set that ridiculed Galileo. So I would recommend everyone to be more reasonable on any subject.

20 or 30 Freemasons in a forum (I didn't count them) can't represent an entire order. So don't think that a non-mason like me would take any scrap of information from any mason here for granted about and on your order.

What secondfamilyuk is doing is commendable at least just for his dedication on the matter and I believe that he is searching for truth. Masonic or any form of patriotism won't change that. So if anybody thinks that he is deranged or any other class distinction open for ridicule then why bother writing anything at all under his topics. I don't believe that he asked a question to anyone.

[chrism]

Well since all the Freemasons in our forum "attack" this guy with very interesting and insightful comments I'll have another look at his website. There must something other pissing you guys off then just his attitude about masons (which is his free choice and I support this in many ways).

I for one am against any sort of secret and ritualistic organization what so ever. what ever it is called. Masonry, the O.T.O., Christianity (oh yes thats quite secretive too), distant government members (well...) etc.

Ridicule and questioning of sanity were in some cases the first steps towards a new order of things. It is the same mind set that ridiculed Galileo. So I would recommend everyone to be more reasonable on any subject.

20 or 30 Freemasons in a forum (I didn't count them) can't represent an entire order. So don't think that a non-mason like me would take any scrap of information from any mason here for granted about and on your order.

What secondfamilyuk is doing is commendable at least just for his dedication on the matter and I believe that he is searching for truth. Masonic or any form of patriotism won't change that. So if anybody thinks that he is deranged or any other class distinction open for ridicule then why bother writing anything at all under his topics. I don't believe that he asked a question to anyone.

OK - why respond? - because we are constantly being attacked by this idiot. he shows up, claims he has proof we are all evil, and then fails to provide a shred of evidence... many times over.

Elrien - we have not met on the forum before, so I will say Hi, and hope that you posted in a spirit of genuine enquiry. In response to your first enquiry, I can say that it is his attitude and constant attacks that led to our response. His freedom of speech is not in question, and if you visit the freemason forum you will see that his posts there have not been deleted. Topics have been locked once they descended to slanging matches, but I invite you to have a read and make your own mind up.

20 or 30 freemaons would make an impact I am sure, but I think you will find that we are very much in a minority. At the moment there is me, Mike M, Danielson, Guy in Pink, Barney Rubble, Perry Mason and maybe a couple of others regularly posting - hardly a massive invasion. The reason we are so vociferous in our rebuttals may possibly be because we are on the inside of masonry and have seen the things (or absence of them, in many cases) that people on this forum are talking about. We provide a counterpoint, and to silence our voices on here should, I hope, also go against your spirit of inquiry.

I would like to think that the masons on this and other forums are as open minded as anyone else. I do think a lot of the anti-masonic sentiments you hear are randomly repeated rhetoric, but would again ask you to make your own mind up. Please just bear in mind that we have come under repeated venomous attacks on a group and individual level many times in the past from this source, and so our reactions are based on our experience.

We come in peace - well, almost!

Chrism

[elirien]

OK - why respond? - because we are constantly being attacked by this idiot. he shows up, claims he has proof we are all evil, and then fails to provide a shred of evidence... many times over.

Elrien - we have not met on the forum before, so I will say Hi, and hope that you posted in a spirit of genuine enquiry. In response to your first enquiry, I can say that it is his attitude and constant attacks that led to our response. His freedom of speech is not in question, and if you visit the freemason forum you will see that his posts there have not been deleted. Topics have been locked once they descended to slanging matches, but I invite you to have a read and make your own mind up.

20 or 30 freemaons would make an impact I am sure, but I think you will find that we are very much in a minority. At the moment there is me, Mike M, Danielson, Guy in Pink, Barney Rubble, Perry Mason and maybe a couple of others regularly posting - hardly a massive invasion. The reason we are so vociferous in our rebuttals may possibly be because we are on the inside of masonry and have seen the things (or absence of them, in many cases) that people on this forum are talking about. We provide a counterpoint, and to silence our voices on here should, I hope, also go against your spirit of inquiry.

I would like to think that the masons on this and other forums are as open minded as anyone else. I do think a lot of the anti-masonic sentiments you hear are randomly repeated rhetoric, but would again ask you to make your own mind up. Please just bear in mind that we have come under repeated venomous attacks on a group and individual level many times in the past from this source, and so our reactions are based on our experience.

We come in peace - well, almost!

Chrism

First of all: Hi Chrism. I don't remember writing to you although I wrote to other masons that are here in this forum and yes I have an open mind on the subject.

My feelings and thoughts are my own. My skepticism reaches pretty far so don't think I am gobbling up any type of information. May it be from you guys or from Mr. Icke or for anyone at all. I have my own research going on, on masons in my country amongst many other. Reading from a masonic forum or book about masonry would be like asking a man what kind of father he was. He can tell you a good story which would contain truth, but the objectivity of another observer (neither victim nor aggressor) will probably reveal more about the subject. But this isn't the issue I was addressing and not that of the topic at all. So lets skip that.

How can you guys be so sure that none of his claims are right? He addresses a very large group of people here. I mean I am a citizen of Turkey and I couldn't give an answer to lets say how the terrorist activities on our border with Iraq commenced. I couldn't give a definite answer to someone who would say "those terrorists were funded by the Turkish government that you voted in the parliament". Or lets take it to the extreme. I couldn't answer someone saying that I was responsible for the deaths of those people involved.

It is a possibility. May be in the long run but nothing develops just with the flick of a switch in these matters.

Can you honestly say that people that report child abuse from masons are just nuts or malevolent creatures that are against a peacefull order? I think you can only say that when you are involved in these matters. When you are akin to those people.

I think that pro or contra masonic ideas that are backed with testimonials or written evidence should be viewed with skepticism. People lie and history is written by the victors who are also people. I'm not saying that everyone on the world is lying but anyone could be.

So reaching from this perspective I think that you people on the masonic forum are doing a good job saving his arguments on the forums databases as people here are doing a good job saving those of the masons. It begins with an open mind. That is what secondfamilyuk and you guys represent for me.

By the way, everyone is a minority ever where since every one has unique in his own way. Those terms are imho the same as seeing the world as black and white.

It is good to see that you guys can debate in a decent way. I hate to see those "I'm sorry but I have to say the word pyramid but don't think of me as a NWO supporter" cynical posts.

[chrism]

First of all: Hi Chrism. I don't remember writing to you although I wrote to other masons that are here in this forum and yes I have an open mind on the subject.

My feelings and thoughts are my own. My skepticism reaches pretty far so don't think I am gobbling up any type of information. May it be from you guys or from Mr. Icke or for anyone at all. I have my own research going on, on masons in my country amongst many other. Reading from a masonic forum or book about masonry would be like asking a man what kind of father he was. He can tell you a good story which would contain truth, but the objectivity of another observer (neither victim nor aggressor) will probably reveal more about the subject. But this isn't the issue I was addressing and not that of the topic at all. So lets skip that.

How can you guys be so sure that none of his claims are right? He addresses a very large group of people here. I mean I am a citizen of Turkey and I couldn't give an answer to lets say how the terrorist activities on our border with Iraq commenced. I couldn't give a definite answer to someone who would say "those terrorists were funded by the Turkish government that you voted in the parliament". Or lets take it to the extreme. I couldn't answer someone saying that I was responsible for the deaths of those people involved.

It is a possibility. May be in the long run but nothing develops just with the flick of a switch in these matters.

Can you honestly say that people that report child abuse from masons are just nuts or malevolent creatures that are against a peacefull order? I think you can only say that when you are involved in these matters. When you are akin to those people.

I think that pro or contra masonic ideas that are backed with testimonials or written evidence should be viewed with skepticism. People lie and history is written by the victors who are also people. I'm not saying that everyone on the world is lying but anyone could be.

So reaching from this perspective I think that you people on the masonic forum are doing a good job saving his arguments on the forums databases as people here are doing a good job saving those of the masons. It begins with an open mind. That is what secondfamilyuk and you guys represent for me.

By the way, everyone is a minority ever where since every one has unique in his own way. Those terms are imho the same as seeing the world as black and white.

It is good to see that you guys can debate in a decent way. I hate to see those "I'm sorry but I have to say the word pyramid but don't think of me as a NWO supporter" cynical posts.

Everything you say is very reasonable and thank you for your response.

I do see what you are saying, and if I am honest we do now give secondfamily ro Joe Stirling (an alter ego) a short shrift because of the way he posts on this and many other forums. I have read this so many times in so many different places, and have yet to see a shred of evidence (which he claims to have, so why he has not posted it is a mystery...)

As far as knowing his experiences - absolutely, I have no idea where he is coming from, but his posts do speak volumes.

If you do get in contact with him and are able to get some of this evidence, I hope you will forward it to me as well as to the police and/or other authorities.

Thanks again,

Chrism

[cruise4]

I must admit this is one funny thread... masonfree lodge... Classic :D

[elirien]

Everything you say is very reasonable and thank you for your response.

I do see what you are saying, and if I am honest we do now give secondfamily ro Joe Stirling (an alter ego) a short shrift because of the way he posts on this and many other forums. I have read this so many times in so many different places, and have yet to see a shred of evidence (which he claims to have, so why he has not posted it is a mystery...)

As far as knowing his experiences - absolutely, I have no idea where he is coming from, but his posts do speak volumes.

If you do get in contact with him and are able to get some of this evidence, I hope you will forward it to me as well as to the police and/or other authorities.

Thanks again,

Chrism

I thank you for your mature and open minded response. I can understand that without evidence it seems very dull and open for dismissal.

Must be pretty frustrating seeing accusations that "they killed someone" and seeing no one going to jail. Believe me thats something we definitely share :D

I hope that he comes out with evidence so that this order could get cleansed with true brotherhood and cooperation. I don't believe that every Freemason is evil and I don't believe that any of the parties get anywhere without cooperation. I mean, what good is "oneness" and "eternal love" without it?

I think it will be very hard to get in touch with him from over here (Turkey), but if I'll do I'm sure that I will do that.