This site infiltrated by the dark forces

[dedicate]

It is evident that our world is being swept up in an enormous evil today. There is little doubt of this to anyone with access to the true goings on -- not the media hype on some sporting event. The internet is one of the handfull of places where this truth can be heard and is still spoken. This is why the agents of anti-truth are so hard at work here, on this site.

I believe ther are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here. In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.

There is no time left for indecision on anybody's part. World events are not going to be a sideline (or is it "blind side") participation any more. Your current life and it's problems will mean nothing compared to what is soon to be. You can bet on it. Not acting (not doing something) now will be an act in the wrong direction.

Don't heed the paid disinfomants, liars, scoundrels, fakers, son's of the dark one, practitioners of the foul arts, abusers, misleaders, reptiles and demons that are too many around this place.

[cruise4]

I hope I'm not included because I agree with you 100%. Time is short.

[lifeofbrian]

It is evident that our world is being swept up in an enormous evil today. There is little doubt of this to anyone with access to the true goings on -- not the media hype on some sporting event. The internet is one of the handfull of places where this truth can be heard and is still spoken. This is why the agents of anti-truth are so hard at work here, on this site.

In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. I believe, there are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.

There is no time left for indecision on anybody's part. World events are not going to be a sideline participation any more. Your current life and it's problems will mean nothing compared to what is soon to be. You can bet on it. Not acting (doing something) now will be an act in the wrong direction.

Don't heed the paid disinfomants, liars, scoundrels, fakers, son's of the dark one, practitioners of the foul arts, abusers, misleaders, reptiles and demons that are too many around this place.


You should be aware that you come off as pretty dark yourself.

Good luck with that all-consuming fear of yours.

[dedicate]

Your not included, cruise4, as one of the disinformants/attackers. Those who this apply to, know who they are for the most part.

So what if I'm dark? It's not about me or my problems. You've got an ugly way to kiss me with a "good luck" just before you try to put the knife in. Shows real style and class. And why did you fill my thread with a copy of what I had just said? Are you trying to hide something? Don't answer that. It was rhetorical, and I would just as soon not hear from you any more.

[lifeofbrian]

Your not included, cruise4, as one of the disinformants/attackers. Those who this apply to, know who they are for the most part.

So what if I'm dark? It's not about me or my problems. But thanks for pointing it out . And I like the way you kiss me with a "good luck" just before you try to put the knife in. Shows real style and class. And why did you fill my thread with a copy of what I had just said? Are you trying to hide something? Don't answer that. It was rhetorical, and I would just as soon not hear from you any more.

It is not uncommon to use the quote-function when replying to a post.

No problem, I'll gladly ignore you in the future. :)

[dedicate]

Good. Stay away and stay "not uncommon". See if I care. I'm going to start a new thread, and you can stay away from that too.

[thirdwave]

It is evident that our world is being swept up in an enormous evil today. There is little doubt of this to anyone with access to the true goings on -- not the media hype on some sporting event. The internet is one of the handfull of places where this truth can be heard and is still spoken. This is why the agents of anti-truth are so hard at work here, on this site.

Mmm well the reason this website exssits is because people are concerned with the very subject you have brought up, while it would not shock me if the enamy did try to bring the place down a bit, I understand it must be quite hard to keep that place %100 pure... but at least its here!



I believe ther are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here.
So should they close the forum?

In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.
Bull shit.

Religion is being exposed the same as everything else that is being exposed.... the reason being?... Its full of shit.

Very simple. don't think about it to much... Religion = horse shit. There, you are now wiser.


There is no time left for indecision on anybody's part. World events are not going to be a sideline (or is it "blind side") participation any more. Your current life and it's problems will mean nothing compared to what is soon to be. You can bet on it. Not acting (not doing something) now will be an act in the wrong direction.
And thanks to this website you have been able to post your concerns and thousands of people are able to read it if they so wish.

Don't heed the paid disinfomants, liars, scoundrels, fakers, son's of the dark one, practitioners of the foul arts, abusers, misleaders, reptiles and demons that are too many around this place.
Another bonus about this place is the door is very big and it allows people to walk into it, and out of it with very little trouble.

[manchurian_candidate]

Just because some people here believe religion to be nothing more than a form of control/brainwashing doesnt mean they are open to 'dark forces'. A lot of people who dont believe in Christianity etc still believe there is a powerful force at work sometimes called 'The One' which is similar - to a degree - as 'God'. There is so many people here that are full of love of everything that the absence of religion in their lives seems to have little or no effect on their goodness.
However, I agree that there must be negative people on here too as for every positive there is a negative. :)

Also if as you say there are people promoting satanic propaganda then surely those individuals would have to be religious in the first place to believe such a being (Satan) existed???

[dedicate]

I'm not offering any solutions. I'm not advocating any Nazi style purifications. I'm just pointing out to those who can see what may be/is the case. It is for them that I say these things.

"Just because some people here believe religion to be nothing more than a form of control/brainwashing doesnt mean they are open to 'dark forces'" -- how do you know? You say so, but I say otherwise. All one has to be is atheistic and/or anti-life to promote satan agenda, like one of the previous posters who insists on using the word bull-s$#t thrice in public and as an attack on religion. And he tells me "don't think about it and be wiser". Ha!

[octopusrex]

It is evident that our world is being swept up in an enormous evil today. There is little doubt of this to anyone with access to the true goings on -- not the media hype on some sporting event. The internet is one of the handfull of places where this truth can be heard and is still spoken. This is why the agents of anti-truth are so hard at work here, on this site.

I believe ther are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here. In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.

There is no time left for indecision on anybody's part. World events are not going to be a sideline (or is it "blind side") participation any more. Your current life and it's problems will mean nothing compared to what is soon to be. You can bet on it. Not acting (not doing something) now will be an act in the wrong direction.

Don't heed the paid disinfomants, liars, scoundrels, fakers, son's of the dark one, practitioners of the foul arts, abusers, misleaders, reptiles and demons that are too many around this place.

Anybody in particular in your mind?

[thirdwave]

In other words you are a Christian who is not happy with how other peoples views compare to yours.... hence you are controlled by the light and they are controlled by the darkness...

bottom line.

[dedicate]

You'll never find one post where I've stated such. If you want to say I'm a Christian, that is OK with me. But I don't know where you draw that conclusion. Or even what you might mean by "Christian".

I also have many friends that don't have the same theology that I have. Anywhere near the same. And I don't lay any trip on them. They are on their journey. But I do try to help people to wake up as best I can.. to the truth of the spirit and the teachings that have been given to mankind by men and women much more apt than I.

I usually do not let people get away from me without saying something, if they express "When you die. YOu die. And that is it". I've found that this is just not true. And there are many opertunities, I've found, to help people to the light, without any mention of "God", "Bible", etc..

[pilgrim]

I agree with your opening post dedicate, but i think that a lot of these religion-haters are simply unaware of how much they have been brainwashed by TPTB into "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" in regards to religion and God consciousness. That includes David Icke.

[intruder]

exposing the absurdities of the "oppressor" without helping the oppressed?

[element]

One reason: humans.

Because humans are completely ignorant and don't understand the unknown, they always blame the devils, demons or reptilians.

You are the problem yourself. Aslong as you look in the outside world for trouble, you will find it.

[turquoisefyre]

meh. i think on the other hand, if a fiew low-vibrationers didn't show their faces here, alot of some people might never get the chance to see how they operate...no:confused:

not like i'm inviting negativity here;)

[zero1]

Well, who're the bad guys? C'mon, name names. Exposing "Dark Forces" means nothing if it could be anybody...and don't say "that's the point", please...

[turquoisefyre]

i blame Lookfar. She's a proper evil bunny:eek:
anyone else noticed how she's been leaving snake tracks all over the forum!

(:D:D:D)

*puts on helmet*

*runs away*

[dedicate]

I can not say who is a demon or reptile or disinformant. No one in particular that I would point out. All I'm saying is they are here and they are attacking the good work with their deceitful shenanigans.

Another poster said, "a lot of these religion-haters are simply unaware of how much they have been brainwashed by TPTB into 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'". That might be true. For the most part, people here may be just misguided to one one degree or another. This may be true for the majority.-- they are just misguided, misinformed. You may be right.

But for some reason very early this morning, I was drawn to write two posts and a thread. There appeared to be a need to post a strong warning to the good people of this site about a some dark evil attempting to make the Icke site an atheistic site (stepping stones approach). I can't just stand by and let that happen. Icke's message is so important, that it can not be handed over to the demons who will take his understanding of religion as a go for their activities.

[pilgrim]

Another poster said, "a lot of these religion-haters are simply unaware of how much they have been brainwashed by TPTB into 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'". That might be true. For the most part, people here may be just misguided to one one degree or another. This may be true for the majority.-- they are just misguided, misinformed. You may be right.

But for some reason very early this morning, I was drawn to write two posts and a thread. There appeared to be a need to post a strong warning to the good people of this site about a some dark evil attempting to make the Icke site an atheistic site (stepping stones approach). I can't just stand by and let that happen. Icke's message is so important, that it can not be handed over to the demons who will take his understanding of religion as a go for their activities.

But, Icke himself talks about Eastern Philosophy/Religion in his latest newsletter - 'The Vampire Mantra' :rolleyes: where he says:

"Eastern philosophies say everything is 'One' and that this 'world' is an illusion.
I say the same in terms of Oneness and the illusion, but after that we immediately part company.
Most of the rest of it, I would suggest, is utter bollocks and every bit as controlling and misleading as the Christianity, Judaism and Islam over which the East claims spiritual superiority... What utter crap it all is".

He also suggests that initiates of Eastern religions are "possessed by an assigned reptilian deity"! :eek:

However, it seems that he does not feel it necessary to do any actual research or present evidence for these claims.

[thirdwave]

You'll never find one post where I've stated such. If you want to say I'm a Christian, that is OK with me. But I don't know where you draw that conclusion. Or even what you might mean by "Christian".


When I say Christian I mean that you are a Christian... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian

maybe one of the ones who can see its falling apart due to being full of shit so now try to create other version of it and just contradicting them selves even more...

here are a couple of your quotes.....


I believe ther are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here. In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.

All one has to be is atheistic and/or anti-life to promote satan agenda, like one of the previous posters who insists on using the word bull-s$#t thrice in public and as an attack on religion. And he tells me "don't think about it and be wiser". Ha!

Now yes It was me who said
"Very simple. don't think about it to much... Religion = horse shit. There, you are now wiser." .. although you have very much miss quoted me, and you are here trying to warn of deceiving?

And I fully support that quote, of course you can think about it as much as you like, but your still not going to change the lies that created it. My advice is to except its full of horse shit.... put it to bed and fucking evolve.

Im sorry if I have miss judged you as a Christian, while we are on the subject can you explain why you are not one, or are not religious, seeing as you seem to think its worth fighting for.

[dedicate]

To Pilgrim: I know. That's what I'm saying. He's opened the door to the influences of atheism. And you don't want to do that. I can't for the life of me understand why someone like David (And I've heard many of his radio casts from years ago) would promote these theories.

Now, Buddhist take the stand of no concept of God. But I wouldn't call it atheistic. I use to think David was going in that sort of direction. But I guess not.

I'm sorry thridwave, I'm not sure what you are saying. How do you define Christian? -- Doesn't sound like me. I just wonder what Carl Sagan believes now.

[thirdwave]

To Pilgrim: I know. That's what I'm saying. He's opened the door to the influences of atheism. And you don't want to do that. I can't for the life of me understand why someone like David (And I've heard many of his radio casts from years ago) would promote these theories.

Now, Buddhist take the stand of no concept of God. But I wouldn't call it atheistic. I use to think David was going in that sort of direction. But I guess not.

I'm sorry thridwave, I'm not sure what you are saying. How do you define Christian? -- Doesn't sound like me. I just wonder what Carl Sagan believes now.


As far as I am aware a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of the bible..... or if you are another religion you follow the teachings of the Koran... of the 1st Testament... so on...

I assumed you were one of them seeing as you felt the need to defend religion

there seems to be lots and lots of Christians who now actually go around in disguise for some reason.... I dont know if its because they are now aware the bible is full of it or for some other reason...

If a Christian says they don't follow the teachings of the bible, I would be interested to find out what others Christ sources they are basing their faith on and how they have come to name them selves as a Christian and why they would defend the bible.

[dedicate]

Well, thirdwave, -- it depends on how you define it, since you brought it up.

I would say a Christian is anyone who follows the teachings of the Christ or has taken some vow to do so. But in our society today Christian often means "church goer" or the person is hooked up to Jesus for salvation in some way. So I never use the term, "Christian" in reference to myself because it implies in this society that I'm hooked up for salvation or a church goer. And I am neither...

Now, I wouldn't give myself so much credit to say that I follow the teachings of Christ even as best I can. Because I dont believe that I do. And I have never taken a vow to do so. So, if you want to say I'm a Christian, that is Ok, but I dont' say so. I never say that. Ever. (except one time)

Now the word "religion" that a whole nother word with all sorts of meaning. You ask me, Are you religous? I ask you, "what means 'you religious?'" Not some dictionary -- what you say it means when you ask.

[dedicate]

---If a Christian says they don't follow the teachings of the bible, I would be interested to find out what others Christ sources they are basing their faith on and how they have come to name them selves as a Christian and why they would defend the bible--


You bring up an important point about sources of Christ's teachings.. Very important. And there are many other sources of Christ's teaching other than the Bible. Many others. (remember most truth has been hidden from you. Taken from you by those who wish for you to not know.) Those teachings are to be found if you look. (knock and the door shall be opened) Do some homework on discipleship and what that really means and where you might find them even today. That is just a hint. There are many sources and you can find them on your own.. It is best that you do.

[thirdwave]

---If a Christian says they don't follow the teachings of the bible, I would be interested to find out what others Christ sources they are basing their faith on and how they have come to name them selves as a Christian and why they would defend the bible--


You bring up an important point about sources of Christ's teachings.. Very important. And there are many other sources of Christ's teaching other than the Bible. Many others. (remember most truth has been hidden from you. Taken from you by those who wish for you to not know.) Those teachings are to be found if you look. (knock and the door shall be opened) Do some homework on discipleship and what that really means and where you might find them even today. That is just a hint. There are many sources and you can find them on your own.. It is best that you do.



ahh in that case can you point out what one of these teachings have been attacked by David icke, or anyone else here...

as far as i can see people are talking about how full of crap the bible is... and how the jesus story has been twisted or made up....

what books are you defending or any other Christians here.. I would be very open minded to read them...

[optimus pigpot]

Good. Stay away and stay "not uncommon". See if I care. I'm going to start a new thread, and you can stay away from that too.

I'm coming to your thread. You obviously belong on the other web sites pal. Why don't you log on there? Why do you criticise Icke and still log on? Take your Jesus shit elsewhere and all your Satanic crap. Ooooooooooohhhhhhh!!!! Demons and devils indeed......... OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Grow up and get real!!!

[amethyst]

ahh in that case can you point out what one of these teachings have been attacked by David icke, or anyone else here...

as far as i can see people are talking about how full of crap the bible is... and how the jesus story has been twisted or made up....

what books are you defending or any other Christians here.. I would be very open minded to read them...

Honestly, you can only "see" the kingdom of God if you are willing to humble yourself like a little child and be willing to be taught by the Spirit of God.

The first step in really "seeing" is humility.

You really can't "see" spiritually speaking, unless you are willing to do this.

That's why any sort of bible truth is veiled from your eyes and thought of as foolish.

Little children know a lot more than adults in these matters.

[pilgrim]

To Pilgrim: I know. That's what I'm saying. He's opened the door to the influences of atheism. And you don't want to do that. I can't for the life of me understand why someone like David (And I've heard many of his radio casts from years ago) would promote these theories.
Now, Buddhist take the stand of no concept of God. But I wouldn't call it atheistic. I use to think David was going in that sort of direction. But I guess not.
He also says in 'The Vampire Mantra' :rolleyes: newsletter that "We are ALL the sons and daughters of 'God', aspects of the Infinite One".

It seems that his current ideas about "Religion" and spirituality are very vague and contradictory.

[turquoisefyre]

It seems that his current ideas about "Religion" and spirituality are very vague and contradictory.


i think thats because there is a very fine line (aka the narrow road) between "good" and "evil", and at our level, it's probably by design.

but, then again, see, for instance, the bible is written mainy as code in parables and symbols because God has to make do with with this world where evil still exists.

oh, and thats a nice picture of Kain in the newsletter...

[cruise4]

Out of interest do people think 'every' single word/part in/of the bible has no value whatsoever?

Second question... have you heard the term 'Christ Conciousness'?

[thirdwave]

Honestly, you can only "see" the kingdom of God if you are willing to humble yourself like a little child and be willing to be taught by the Spirit of God.


While I agree that one must put the ego away in order to really learn, one must also use their intuition and tell when truth is being said or manipulation... the more in touch you are with "god" the easier this is.

I can see the kingdom of god very clearly more so than any Christian I have met, and that kingdom has showed me very clearly that Religion is full of shit and I can say with %100 confidence and %100 clarity I will never ever give religion the time of day.

God has nothing to do with Religion.


The first step in really "seeing" is humility.

Humility is a very good quality for learning and a good quality as a whole, but I have no intention of using humility to grace a god who is full of shit and no more moral than my self.

And if that God values Humility so much then he should try and be a bit more tactful

I am the Lord your God.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol.

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.

Mmmm shall I use my Humility here and get on my knees to this "god".. or shall I stand on my own two feet and choose freedom?


You really can't "see" spiritually speaking, unless you are willing to do this.

When you say "this", it depends what you mean.... I dont see Jesus as anything special, or the bible, , there are loads of decent people who have not even read the bible. I show it no Humility. Though when I hear something that inspires me I show it plenty of Humility and respect....

its not I do not have Humility, its just I will choose who I show it to.


That's why any sort of bible truth is veiled from your eyes and thought of as foolish.

Dont get me wrong I can spot that there are parts of the bible written (who ever it was) that clearly was enlightened and clearly was trying to teach people, But it is now 2008 and there are people today who can do a better job while understanding the current times we live in....

Why read a book that has been tampered with and mixed with bullshit, when you can learn about it all your self through people around you and your own life expirience.



Little children know a lot more than adults in these matters.

this is very true, I always found churches to be cold boring places when I was young, could not wait till it was over.

[amethyst]

While I agree that one must put the ego away in order to really learn, one must also use their intuition and tell when truth is being said or manipulation... the more in touch you are with "god" the easier this is.

I agree.

I can see the kingdom of god very clearly more so than any Christian I have met, and that kingdom has showed me very clearly that Religion is full of shit and I can say with %100 confidence and %100 clarity I will never ever give religion the time of day.

God has nothing to do with Religion.

I agree, religion is unfortunately an obstacle to seeing God the way He really is.



Humility is a very good quality for learning and a good quality as a whole, but I have no intention of using humility to grace a god who is full of shit and no more moral than my self.

And if that God values Humility so much then he should try and be a bit more tactful

I am the Lord your God.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol.

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.

Mmmm shall I use my Humility here and get on my knees to this "god".. or shall I stand on my own two feet and choose freedom?

Maybe these words were written this way, because God is the Creator, He knows the propensity of imperfect, flawed, human beings (basically all of us) to make idols out of anything and everything that we see. Hasn't history shown us this?

Maybe that's why God had certain individuals, for specific reasons thoughout history, write certain things down in certain books......even though on the surface, what is written doesn't make sense or seems unfair to us initially. God can open someone's understanding though, of what He really meant if they ask Him humbly.

That's what I meant about humility. Allowing God by His Spirit to teach a person. The example i used with children is that they are more teachable. Jesus said basically the same thing in Mark 10:13-16:


Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them.

But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

And He took them up in His arms, laid His hands on them, and blessed them.


Wonder why the book has been tampered with so much?

Maybe there are those in the world who do not want the true message of the kingdom of God to come out. Why else does tptb contaminate everything and pervert what is good in the world? Because they hate the message of truth and they hate the message of freedom.

The bible says that God is love and God is good, but tptb and the forces controling them, would greatly desire for a person to think that God is bad, that He isn't love, He doesn't exist and that He doesn't care for them individually. All lies.

Why else does tptb make their disciple do hideous and gross things, like drink blood, murder people and other nasty stuff?

Perhaps because they desire to completely eradicate any true knowledge of God and His goodness on earth.

Isaiah 49:15 says:

"Can a woman forget her nursing child,
And not have compassion on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you."

Jesus said something similar.

Mat 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
[QUOTE]

When you say "this", it depends what you mean.... I dont see Jesus as anything special, or the bible, , there are loads of decent people who have not even read the bible.

Of course. There are decent enlightened people everywhere.


Dont get me wrong I can spot that there are parts of the bible written (who ever it was) that clearly was enlightened and clearly was trying to teach people, But it is now 2008 and there are people today who can do a better job while understanding the current times we live in....

Why read a book that has been tampered with and mixed with bullshit, when you can learn about it all your self through people around you and your own life expirience.

Well we forget that the bible is a prophetic book as well as an historical one. God knowing the past, present and future would be able to have someone write down something for the future times as well as the times it was actually written in.


this is very true, I always found churches to be cold boring places when I was young, could not wait till it was over.

From the few churche services I attended on religious holidays as a child, I agree. I couldn't wait till the service was over to go eat my easter eggs and jelly beans and chocolate bunnies :D

When was it ever told to man that they were supposed to build great big cathedrals to "meet" with God? The message of Christ is all about God coming to man and meeting with him.......not the other way around. The kingdom of God is within a person Jesus said. It's about the "heart" of a person.

The earliest followers of Jesus met in houses (mentioned in Acts chapter 2) as opposed to cathedrals. The building of big buildings and the rise of the Christian "religion" happened way after Jesus's death.

Total opposite of the simplicity of the message of Christ.

[lightgiver]

It is evident that our world is being swept up in an enormous evil today. There is little doubt of this to anyone with access to the true goings on -- not the media hype on some sporting event. The internet is one of the handfull of places where this truth can be heard and is still spoken. This is why the agents of anti-truth are so hard at work here, on this site.

I believe ther are many agents of the dark forces active on this and other sub-forums here. In part, David Icke, by denying the vestiges of any religion, has helped open the gates to evil forces taking up use of his site. They love to attack Religion especially (but any good thing will do) and propagate their foul and decietful lines of satanic propaganda.

There is no time left for indecision on anybody's part. World events are not going to be a sideline (or is it "blind side") participation any more. Your current life and it's problems will mean nothing compared to what is soon to be. You can bet on it. Not acting (not doing something) now will be an act in the wrong direction.

Don't heed the paid disinfomants, liars, scoundrels, fakers, son's of the dark one, practitioners of the foul arts, abusers, misleaders, reptiles and demons that are too many around this place.

YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MARK.GOOD WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME EVIL EVENTUALLY:)

[lightgiver]

it is not religion causing the problem,it is deluded people using the term religion to give themselves an excuse to kill and slaughter and take control,why do you think the dark forces are in america at the moment discussing the financial crisis(YEAH RIGHT} they created.They know we are onto them.POWER TO THE PEOPLE>religion is just a label that we use for a spiritual practice,and deluded people pervert it. and yes their are dark forces at work here on this website,but we know who they are.there is a lot of so called HOLY people out there,my aunt fanny is more holy than what they are.
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[thirdwave]

it is not religion causing the problem,it is deluded people using the term religion to give themselves an excuse to kill and slaughter and take control,why do you think the dark forces are in america at the moment discussing the financial crisis(YEAH RIGHT} they created.They know we are onto them.POWER TO THE PEOPLE>religion is just a label that we use for a spiritual practice,and deluded people pervert it. and yes their are dark forces at work here on this website,but we know who they are.there is a lot of so called HOLY people out there,my aunt fanny is more holy than what they are.
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as a result of this there has come a time where we need to let it go and evolve.

create new ones.

its been ruined.

we should not see religion as our lives that's not healthy.... its like an addiction.

it makes me people lie and miss judge while up holding it.

[thirdwave]

I agree, religion is unfortunately an obstacle to seeing God the way He really is.


this is what I thought you were trying to stick up for....



Maybe these words were written this way, because God is the Creator, He knows the propensity of imperfect, flawed, human beings (basically all of us) to make idols out of anything and everything that we see. Hasn't history shown us this?

Maybe that's why God had certain individuals, for specific reasons thoughout history, write certain things down in certain books......even though on the surface, what is written doesn't make sense or seems unfair to us initially. God can open someone's understanding though, of what He really meant if they ask Him humbly.

people are free to come to these conclusions if they must.... I would advise against it and say anything that tells you it is above you is not a real god... it should not need to tell you, you should already know.... and want to know.


That's what I meant about humility. Allowing God by His Spirit to teach a person. The example i used with children is that they are more teachable. Jesus said basically the same thing in Mark 10:13-16:

Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them.

But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

And He took them up in His arms, laid His hands on them, and blessed them.

I apriciate you find the bible very good. but it really does mean nothing to me.... it just sounds like a very old story explaining a very simple moral.... really did not take a god to right that.

teaching is about understanding a persons needs and feelings and directing them to an understanding of things.... and there are some texts in the bible where I believe somone has been doing this, but there are more parts where its clearly not written by enlightening powers.... but manipulative ones.





Wonder why the book has been tampered with so much?

Maybe there are those in the world who do not want the true message of the kingdom of God to come out. Why else does tptb contaminate everything and pervert what is good in the world? Because they hate the message of truth and they hate the message of freedom.

The bible says that God is love and God is good, but tptb and the forces controling them, would greatly desire for a person to think that God is bad, that He isn't love, He doesn't exist and that He doesn't care for them individually. All lies.

So because in the bible it says that at some time people will try to say that the bible is bad..... it means he is good?

could that not just mean that "when people find out that this book is a load of rubbish, even if they make total sense just ignore them because they are tricked by satan"

mm?

what you say about why did they corrupt the bible is very true.... there have obviously been some very informative texts discovered over the years, but many of them were destroyed by the people who created the bible... because they liked the bible and liked how it presented things.... because it does not present the truth any more.... it was not created for truth. As you say it was created to mask the info....

I mean original texts clearly talk about the Gods! ..not god.... THE GODS.... and also about those who were cast down from heaven..

so you are right, but you still insist on useing the bible for wisdom... even though it was a tool created to mask that wisdom and limit it.


Why else does tptb make their disciple do hideous and gross things, like drink blood, murder people and other nasty stuff?

the thing is, to me your not making sense... on one hand you are admitting that its corrupt... but on the other hand you are useing those corrupt sources to highlight your god...

Perhaps because they desire to completely eradicate any true knowledge of God and His goodness on earth.
Yes this is true.... they do not want people to evolve and grow closer to there higher selves... they want people to worship things that are outside of them sevles and pull them further from their higher self.

they dont want people to know that god lives within them.... they want them to get on their knees and worship a god they created.



[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][B]Of course. There are decent enlightened people everywhere.
and of course we have no evidence Jesus lived... none at all.




Well we forget that the bible is a prophetic book as well as an historical one. God knowing the past, present and future would be able to have someone write down something for the future times as well as the times it was actually written in.
its simply texts that were discovered... and translated many times.... often compleatly different to what they meant... and mixed together, its also a fact that many other gospels and texts where found and destroyed and disregarded.... but not the ones in the bible.


From the few churche services I attended on religious holidays as a child, I agree. I couldn't wait till the service was over to go eat my easter eggs and jelly beans and chocolate bunnies :D :)


When was it ever told to man that they were supposed to build great big cathedrals to "meet" with God? The message of Christ is all about God coming to man and meeting with him.......not the other way around. The kingdom of God is within a person Jesus said. It's about the "heart" of a person. these were created to intimidate people into submitting to "the word of god".... they were used to enforce the bible.

The earliest followers of Jesus met in houses (mentioned in Acts chapter 2) as opposed to cathedrals. The building of big buildings and the rise of the Christian "religion" happened way after Jesus's death. but what if he did not really live?, would that shake your faith in god?

[kblood]

I do not know who you are targetting with this thread, but what is disinfo to some if pure wisdom to others. This is what happens when we use a forum without much moderation, not that I think we lack moderation, but on this forum users arent just banned for having a certain kind of view on the world. Unless trying to force this view on other users, and wont stop doing so.

I dont like religion. I am not sure how much mind control it is and how much truth it is. Still I can see that history shows that religion is often used to gain power and influence over us in wrong ways.

The quote about us not using idols is thought provoking though. Hollywood really does seem to be a anti-christianity kind of place. Disobeying those rules to the fullest.

[cruise4]

Whatever... this Guy is Ace...

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/nath2.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/nath4.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm

[lightgiver]

i am sure we are on the right path,but it is what we do,not what we do,that will bring PEACE to humanity,it does not matter what path we follow, just as long it is truthful and just,and we respect the whole of humanity,each culture,race and creed.no matter how low or high,respect for the planet,animals and each other.it can happen,fight the fear.Hailee Selassie said at CALIFORNIA ON FEB 28 1968 many years ago.UNTIL THE COLOUR OF A MANS(WOMAN)SKIN AS NO MORE SIGNIFICANCE THAN THE COLOUR OF HIS(HER)EYES THERE WILL BE WAR.bob marley sung the speech:cool:check it out ,the song is called WAR.:)

[lightgiver]

Whatever... this Guy is Ace...

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/nath2.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/nath4.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm

what is this guy on dude:::D:D:D.suppose thats what you call freedom of speech.its a good job hes not in Iran with the taliban:D:D:D

[cruise4]

Some of the issues on this thread remind me of the Global Warming nonsense.

One minute you are talking about CO2 led GW, then suddenly its Climate Change, then its Pollution, then its Animal Welfare. Define your terms...

'Religion' is something different to 'the bible' is different to 'God' is different to 're-writes' etc.

[lightgiver]

i follow no religion,just true paths:)that don't lead to darkness.

[lightgiver]

Well, who're the bad guys? C'mon, name names. Exposing "Dark Forces" means nothing if it could be anybody...and don't say "that's the point", please...

what if they are blind?

[cruise4]

I love the eccentrics as long as I don't have to live with one!

[lightgiver]

I love the eccentrics as long as I don't have to live with one!

thats what we have to do,learn to tolerate each other?patience is a virtue.:)we all have dark and light aspects depends which one we want to follow?

[zero1]

what if they are blind?

What if who are blind? The BAD GUYS/Dark Forces? Well then, they won't see me kickin' em in the nuts! :p

[lightgiver]

the one who stands in the DARKNESS:rolleyes:;)whoever you are referring to:confused::)I see:)

[zero1]

the one who stands in the DARKNESS:rolleyes:;)whoever you are referring to:confused::)

Myself, of course. ;) My sigline, that is...

[marmadukehussy]

dedicate you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.
If you only knew the power of the Dark Side.
dedicate i am your father Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

[pilgrim]

dedicate you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training.
With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.
If you only knew the power of the Dark Side.
dedicate i am your father Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
Dedicate is already in safe hands. :)

[marmadukehussy]

Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong.
You underestimate the power of the Dark Side. If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.

[madthumbs]

"dark forces" = racism

[dangermouse]

"dark forces" = racism

lol

[celtic isis]

You should be aware that you come off as pretty dark yourself.

Good luck with that all-consuming fear of yours.

i agree with life of brian, beware the trolls who warn of other trolls DEDICATE.

[celtic isis]

I'm not offering any solutions. I'm not advocating any Nazi style purifications. I'm just pointing out to those who can see what may be/is the case. It is for them that I say these things.

"Just because some people here believe religion to be nothing more than a form of control/brainwashing doesnt mean they are open to 'dark forces'" -- how do you know? You say so, but I say otherwise. All one has to be is atheistic and/or anti-life to promote satan agenda, like one of the previous posters who insists on using the word bull-s$#t thrice in public and as an attack on religion. And he tells me "don't think about it and be wiser". Ha!

HA! YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG MATE. :) most of us are neither of those two boxes i bolded above. Finf yourSELF, self is the key and the only thing you need. The kingdom of heaven and God is already within YOU.