Crowley Freemason, Satanist, MI6

[thirdwave]

So are you saying we now have absolute, scientific proof that ES IS evil, and in denial, IS projecting this inner evil onto everyone else?! :eek:

My thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time ES...........

I thinks so... bless him...

[thirdwave]

ES, Im after a few links on Crowley, any chance you could help us out?

[eternal_spirit]

ES, Im after a few links on Crowley, any chance you could help us out?


Have you found what you were looking for?

[thirdwave]

Have you found what you were looking for?

well I am researching another occultist at the moment, so not in the Crowley vibe at the moment, although he holds him in high regard...

but its just I was wondering if you had any links on Crowley at all as the forum seems a little bit short of them.... people might start forgetting to existed of something..

[kweli]

So are you saying we now have absolute, scientific proof that ES IS evil, and in denial, IS projecting this inner evil onto everyone else?! :eek:

My thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time ES...........



I appreciate your dry sense of humour krakhead.. but you're slyer than the average dog eh? :D

[lizzy]

I appreciate your dry sense of humour krakhead.. but you're slyer than the average dog eh? :D


:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek:.......indeed.

[zen_fox]

crowley was gay

[kweli]

crowley was gay

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/orly-35971.jpg
Wow! You don't say, please tell more. :D :rolleyes:

[damagedbrainn]

crowley was gay

Probably yeah. So what?

[kallista]

He was a very naughty boy.

[damagedbrainn]

He was a very naughty boy.

He was a big stinkyhead and his breath smelled like doo-doo.

[marpat]

crowley was gay

Dont you mean bi-sexual. I think if you read his diaries you will get a better idea.

[kasalt]

He was a big stinkyhead and his breath smelled like doo-doo.

That was undoubtedly the case considering that he ate doo-doo as part of his ritual:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

[marpat]

That was undoubtedly the case considering that he ate doo-doo as part of his ritual:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

I once saw a documentary where a buddhist guy done something like that. The whole idea was to overcome the sense of repulsion which is part of the dualistic mind in order to become totally detached from the idea of desire - repulsion.

I dont recall Crowley actually eating this stuff as part of a ritual. Can you post something on that? I do remember him saying something along the lines of it is right that the Dalai Lama should make his disciples eat his shit. I also read that he would offer his followers some goat shit in order to evoke a reaction from them, which is then used to highlight their bias and dualistic thinking, etc.

[kasalt]

I once saw a documentary where a buddhist guy done something like that. The whole idea was to overcome the sense of repulsion which is part of the dualistic mind in order to become totally detached from the idea of desire - repulsion.

I dont recall Crowley actually eating this stuff as part of a ritual. Can you post something on that? I do remember him saying something along the lines of it is right that the Dalai Lama should make his disciples eat his shit. I also read that he would offer his followers some goat shit in order to evoke a reaction from them, which is then used to highlight their bias and dualistic thinking, etc.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

If you read the quotes in my post linked above, the news ain't good.

Crowley wrote of human sacrifice, and he certainly practiced animal sacrifice. Crowley was sick, and I don't have a clue why anyone would wish to endorse him in any way.

[marpat]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

If you read the quotes in my post linked above, the news ain't good.

Crowley wrote of human sacrifice, and he certainly practiced animal sacrifice. Crowley was sick, and I don't have a clue why anyone would wish to endorse him in any way.


Boring. Why should I read some highly biased and misinformed thread?

Icke chum the zulu shaman Credo must also sacrifice animals as the zulu do sacrifice animals to their ancestors. Can you endorse that?

[kasalt]

Boring. Why should I read some highly biased and misinformed thread?

Where exactly is the bias and misinformation? Crowley wrote about human sacrifice as though it was acceptable to him. Those were Crowley's own words.

Do me a favor and prove to me anything that was false about what I posted. I have no wish to be misinformed myself, nor do I wish to pass on misinformation to others.

Icke chum the zulu shaman Credo must also sacrifice animals as the zulu do sacrifice animals to their ancestors. Can you endorse that?

No, I can't. What makes you think I would?

[damagedbrainn]

That was undoubtedly the case considering that he ate doo-doo as part of his ritual:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

Hindus eat cow shit (and urine) as part of a house blessing ceremony. They also use it as a "cleansing" agent...though this is a bit ass-backwards. Some people build their homes out of shit. Clearly this is all very very EVEEL.

Have you ever accidentally gotten shit on your fingers while wiping your ass? Did you cry, beg God's forgiveness, and have a priest perform an exorcism on your fingertips afterwards?

If you think shit is gross. Okay, I can relate. If you think shit is an agent of evil, then grow up man. How do you feel about yourself knowing that your own body produces copious amounts of "evil" on a daily basis?

[kasalt]

Hindus eat cow shit (and urine) as part of a house blessing ceremony. They also use it as a "cleansing" agent...though this is a bit ass-backwards. Some people build their homes out of shit. Clearly this is all very very EVEEL.

Have you ever accidentally gotten shit on your fingers while wiping your ass? Did you cry, beg God's forgiveness, and have a priest perform an exorcism on your fingertips afterwards?

If you think shit is gross. Okay, I can relate. If you think shit is an agent of evil, then grow up man. How do you feel about yourself knowing that your own body produces copious amounts of "evil" on a daily basis?

How foolish. First of all, I never used the word "evil" in reference to shit--or even in reference to Crowley--so why do you?

[marpat]

Where exactly is the bias and misinformation? Crowley wrote about human sacrifice as though it was acceptable to him. Those were Crowley's own words.

Do me a favor and prove to me anything that was false about what I posted. I have no wish to be misinformed myself, nor do I wish to pass on misinformation to others.



No, I can't. What makes you think I would?

He did write about such things but only symbolically. Do you think that if admitted doing that in a book that he would have been spared jail?

The human sacrifice that he discusses is in regard to sex magic where the ovum is not fertilised, hence a life has been sacrificed. This has already been covered in the forum by myself and I cant be assed to go through it again. What you think or believe makes no odds to me.

You also have to remember that he often wrote his books in terms intended to shock people or just to piss them off, which obviously worked very well.

Ask yourself the question, if he was promoting a system which states every person is a star, soveriegn in their own right, then why would he condone something which would deny those rights to somebody? I could spell it all out for you but why bother? if you want to get a good appreciation of his work then read his books and try to get beyond the shallow, concealed meanings.

If you read the thread abut Crowley in the forum you will encounter massive amounts of misinformation, lies, deceptions, etc. There are very few people in here willing to look beyond. Too many people just want to pidegon hole him into their NWO conspiracy because he fits their preconception of the bad guys.

[damagedbrainn]

How foolish. First of all, I never used the word "evil" in reference to shit--or even in reference to Crowley--so why do you?

Because that's what you meant and you know it. If you're not even gonna be honest about what you think, then why bother?

[kasalt]

Because that's what you meant and you know it. If you're not even gonna be honest about what you think, then why bother?

Well you're right, I think both human and animal sacrifice is evil, and anyone who practices such is engaging in evil. But human poo ain't evil. I think it's sick to eat it, though, but if that's what you want, far be it from me to stop you.

[damagedbrainn]

Well you're right, I think both human and animal sacrifice is evil, and anyone who practices such is engaging in evil. But human poo ain't evil. I think it's sick to eat it, though, but if that's what you want, far be it from me to stop you.

The human sacrifice thing is total nonsense, and common sense alone should tell you that (BIG SATANIC SECRET, published openly in widely available book...makes a lot of sense). But the fact that those little statements were symbolic of something else has been pointed out ad nauseum, even in the original source itself; so anyone who's still dense enough to continue believe that is pretty much a hopeless case anyway.

The animal sacrifice thing is a bit more tedious to deal with. As far as I can tell, there isn't any ritual of Crowley's (or even Hermeticism's) system which makes animal sacrifice a necessity for "attainment" of any sort. There's one ritual involving the killing of a frog in order to obtain the aid of its familiar spirit, but it's so absurd that I'm not sure how seriously it's supposed to be taken nor have I ever met anyone that has ever tried it.

As far as Crowley himself, animal sacrifice wasn't a big part of his practice. The only such incident that he wrote about committing was killing doves in order to open an aethyr. And he once paid alms at a hindu temple to have a goat sacrificed for him, though this was an attempt to blend in with the people while traveling through India. He also killed a cat when he was 14 years old in an elaborate experiment to test whether or not cats really do have 9 lives; though this had nothing to do with "magick" as he was a Christian at the time. The whole thing about the goat fucking the girl at the Abbey of Thelema is just made up bullshit....a trashy tabloid story perpetuated by Horatio Bottomley (a very wealthy politician, businessman, and con-man) and his magazine John Bull. (50 years from now, would you quote The Sun as a valid source of information about Princess Diana? No, probably not.)

Peronsally: Eating shit is not something I could do because it's gross, and I think it's super-swell that I don't have to just because Crowley did it. Animal sacrifice? Again, not something that I could do, and I even feel compelled emotionally to categorize it as immoral....but I eat meat. Basically, unless you're a vegan, calling animal sacrifice evil is hypocritical as fuck, and my rational side just won't allow that no matter how much my emotional side might feel gratified by such a self-righteous judgment.

[kasalt]

The human sacrifice thing is total nonsense, and common sense alone should tell you that

Not when I have Crowley's own words on the subject:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

So if there is any misunderstanding on this issue, I would say that he alone is to blame for it.

Animal sacrifice? Again, not something that I could do, and I even feel compelled emotionally to categorize it as immoral....but I eat meat. Basically, unless you're a vegan, calling animal sacrifice evil is hypocritical as fuck, and my rational side just won't allow that no matter how much my emotional side might feel gratified by such a self-righteous judgment.

Evil as in negative, low vibration, etc. There is nothing self-righteous about calling a spade a spade, is there?

Killing an animal as a part of some bizarre ritual in order to influence dark and sinister forces? Sick, sick, sick!

[eternal_spirit]

According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.

similar story as in about animal scarifice

On Jan. 20, 2007, weeks before the strange message, a pregnant goat was found dead near the Okaloosa-Walton County line. It had been raped by a man, tests showed.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/goa...rick_call.html (http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/goats_10112___article.html/broderick_call.html)



The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII. unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.

[damagedbrainn]

Not when I have Crowley's own words on the subject:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

You have a piece of Crowley's words and likely can't even name the title of the book that that piece came from because you've never bothered to find out.

I have a piece of David Icke's words claiming that he's the son of God. Why should I bother with his subsequent explanation of what he really meant?

So if there is any misunderstanding on this issue, I would say that he alone is to blame for it.

Partially true, at least at the time that it was written. The original draft of that chapter didn't include any explanation whatsoever, though a slight explanation was added later after several of Crowley's students tried to explain to him how that quote was going to be grossly misinterpreted. However, writing about it openly would have been impossible as, much like today still, portrayals of violence are considered less offensive and "controversial' than portrayals of sexuality.

In the present day, since the whole thing has been explained over and over and over again, the fault solely lies with lazy-ass researchers who can't even be bothered to read a fucking a book or two, but would rather just sit around and repeat each other like a flock of peanut-brained parrots.



Evil as in negative, low vibration, etc. There is nothing self-righteous about calling a spade a spade, is there?

Killing an animal as a part of some bizarre ritual in order to influence dark and sinister forces? Sick, sick, sick!

But slaughtering animals for tasty meat and pretty shoes is just fine. (Did you know that a pig has a level of intelligence on par with that of a 3 year old human?)

Your statement that it's done to "influence dark and sinister forces" is purely a result of cultural indoctrination, which clearly adheres to old Christian superstitions about devil-worship and witchcraft. From the perspective of those who actually practiced it (Hindus, Voodoo practitioners, etc...) it has nothing to do with "dark forces", but positive ones....granted, this itself is nothing more than superstition as well.

[marpat]

According to one source, Crowley resided in the Abbey of Thelema near Cefalu Sicily, and revived ancient Dionysian ceremonies. During a 1921 ritual, he induced a he-goat to copulate with his mistress, then slit the animal's throat at the moment of orgasm.

[/I]


To my mind this is not true. The woman was supposed to have sex with the goat but it was not interested so Crowley had to do the sex bit himself.

[kasalt]

You have a piece of Crowley's words and likely can't even name the title of the book that that piece came from because you've never bothered to find out.

Book Four Part III, Magick in Theory and Practice, Chapter 12.

But slaughtering animals for tasty meat and pretty shoes is just fine. (Did you know that a pig has a level of intelligence on par with that of a 3 year old human?)Really??? Gosh, I'd never, ever, thought of that:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=72402&highlight=satanic#post72402

Your statement that it's done to "influence dark and sinister forces" is purely a result of cultural indoctrination, which clearly adheres to old Christian superstitions about devil-worship and witchcraft. From the perspective of those who actually practiced it (Hindus, Voodoo practitioners, etc...) it has nothing to do with "dark forces", but positive ones....granted, this itself is nothing more than superstition as well.So when Crowley and Mathers conjured up 'demons' to attack each other, that was all just "old Christian superstitions about devil-worship and witchcraft"? And when Crowley placed a curse on his doctor for not prescribing him opium before he died... Nah, nothing dark or sinister about that either.

I disagree. Animal sacrifice is, in and of itself, dark and sinister.

[marpat]

Not when I have Crowley's own words on the subject:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

So if there is any misunderstanding on this issue, I would say that he alone is to blame for it.



Evil as in negative, low vibration, etc. There is nothing self-righteous about calling a spade a spade, is there?

Killing an animal as a part of some bizarre ritual in order to influence dark and sinister forces? Sick, sick, sick!

As I stated before the Zulu use animal sacrifices in their ancestor rituals. This means that Ickes friend Credo must be implicated, being their magic man. I find it odd that Icke would be happy to associate with people who carry out such sick ritual (your words not mine).

The victim listed above is purely symbolic. If you want to take it a literal then you are a fool, just like those who take the bible literally. Did I not explain this before? lets look at the symbolism. The child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is Harpocrates, Horus, the sun or god of light. By releasing his 'blood' you are releasing the creative spiritual potency symbolised by the innocent child. Look at the similarity of Mithras slaying the bull to bring life into being. It is only truly stupid people who take such things literally. I guess people see what they want to see and if their minds are clouded by darkness and ignorance that is all they will see.

[eternal_spirit]

Great post Kasalt I've been through all of this with damagedbrainn and co so many times before.

Is in fact that some occultists truly believe they can sacrifice animals and humans to summons up feed demons or Satan itself, so it's their belief system. Or as pointed out they are fooled by superstitions created by their own masters/priesthoods.

It's in their writings and many modern day documented cases of sacrifice are very real.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

If you read the quotes in my post linked above, the news ain't good.

Crowley wrote of human sacrifice, and he certainly practiced animal sacrifice. Crowley was sick, and I don't have a clue why anyone would wish to endorse him in any way.


The ritual he described was for the magician to stand inside a circle of human babys who where to be sacrificed, so the magician could absorb their pure life force at moment of death to regenerate the magician's body. This is where the blood drinking fits in.

There is a substance known as adrenal chrome which is released by the pineal gland into the blood stream, the more torture, fear and pain the magician can produce for the victim the greater the amount of adrenal chrome produced in the blood! Some Satanists etc are said to be addicted to this type of blood.

Sure you've heard of Madame Bathory who was an Elite French aristocrat , She was said to have sacrificed virgins in attempts to regenerate her ageing body and bathed in their blood.

Whilst writing of his account on human child sacrifice Crowley used the name Frater Perurabo, so most people didn't and wouldn't think he was referring to himself, but some mysterious person named Frater

Those who know this name was a title given to AC for a degree he had reached in the OTO or some degree in another group. Perurabo who performed this ritual human sacrifice 150 times in one year alone!

Jewish blood libel, a reality, with documented cases. Well the Black mass and Jewish blood libel are about cursing Christians, what does that mean? They are anti-christ.

The blood libel they choose a Christian child of perfect innocence, but because the victim isn't a Jew, they consider the victim a "goyim" So they don't bury the body same as an animal ( Goyim means cattle bit like sheep means sheeple to the Elite ) With the victims body not being buried, it's left above ground, on a rubbish dump, down an alley, in a field anywhere out in the open, this is how they've been caught, when the victims body has been discovered, all the hall marks of ritual sacrifice are evident, which sometimes has lead to the arrest, trial and prosecution of the murderers, all well documented cases, going way back to th sacrificial days to Bal, Bil the Hebrew Canaanite God, throughout history up until modern day.

Although back in the days of Bal ( Bil ) sacrificial rituals may have been done in public as part of a religious, social ritual.
The Romans threw Christians to the Lions, and all sorts of other unspeakable acts have been done in public by many cultures throughout History. The Druids burning the Wicker man, and decorating their altars of stone with victims body parts, do you think these occultists decided to just stop doing this one day? Go figure it's still going on maybe?


It's the life force of the victim also contained in the blood, is what the magician want's...pure prepubescent energy of children's life force to absorb into their own being, depending on the type of ritual different ages, sex, and age are taken into consideration. Or as an offering to demon type gods, to help make them manifest, to do favours for the magician, they are said to feed off the emotional energies created by black magic rituals.

[eternal_spirit]

The Temple of Set headed by Michael Aquino.

The brand of Satanism that is practiced by Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set is thoroughly Egyptian. In the book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night (1985) Aquino describes what seems to be a call to start the Church of Satan and speaks in the first person as Set, the Egyptian Satan.

The Equinox has succumbed to my Solstice, and I, Set, am revealed in my Majesty....I am the ageless Intelligence of this Universe...and from my manifest semblance, which alone is not of Earth. Known as the Hebrew Satan, I chose to bring forth a Magus, according to the fashion of my Word. He was charged to form a Church of Satan, that I might easily touch the minds of men in this age they had cast for me.

Albert Churchward in his book, The Arcana of Freemasonry, confirms that Set is the Egyptian name for Satan.

That Sut or Set was first primary god of the Egyptians, but was god of the South Pole, or Southern Hemisphere, is amply proved and borne out by the monuments as well as the Ritual. Set or Sut, according to Plutarch, is the Egyptian name of Typhon--i.e. Satan of the Christian Cult. (Excerpt from The Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic Connection by David L. Carrico)

[eternal_spirit]

Was Frater Perurabo another name Crowley used?

The rituals according to some satanists describe was for the magician to stand inside a circle of human babys who where to be sacrificed, so the magician could absorb their pure life force at moment of death to regenerate the magician's body.

In Crowley's "Magick in Theory and Practice" he explains the reasons for ritual death and why small boys are the best victims "It was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of this animal this energy is liberated suddenly. For the highest spiritual working, one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." Crowley adds in a footnote that according to the records of the Order of the Oriental Templars' Frater Perurabo, he performed just such a sacrifice 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.



Adopting the magical name Frater 'Perurabo', Latin for "I Will Endure", Crowley advanced quickly through the ranks of the Golden Dawn, initially studying under Alan Bennett, who was Mathers' spiritual heir.

So, it could well have been Crowley using a different name.

[kallista]

Don't you people ever give up? Who really cares about Crowley?
He's been dead for sixty years.
It is not him we should be worrying about. It is the black magicians who do not attract attention to themselves, who work on all of us every day.

[eternal_spirit]

Don't you people ever give up? Who really cares about Crowley?
He's been dead for sixty years.
It is not him we should be worrying about. It is the black magicians who do not attract attention to themselves, who work on all of us every day.

Same groups though MI6 double agents, culture creators, New Age, Illuminated Masons, Satanists, Lucifarians, Communists, Eugenicists, war mongers. All connected.

Many occult groups Today follow Crowley's teachings (culture creations) Hubbard's Scientology to name just one.

[kallista]

Yes but is it relevant that he tried to get his gf to shag a goat. I've seen pictures of Leah Hirsig, I'm not suprised the goat refused. :D

[damagedbrainn]

Yes but is it relevant that he tried to get his gf to shag a goat. I've seen pictures of Leah Hirsig, I'm not suprised the goat refused. :D

Do you say "yes" out of sheer laziness, or because you really agree that it basically all goes back to the Jews?

Does anyone ever actually read what people post?

[marpat]

Yes but is it relevant that he tried to get his gf to shag a goat. I've seen pictures of Leah Hirsig, I'm not suprised the goat refused. :D

And you dont think he actually invented the story just to test peoples reactions? I think a big problem is that a lot of people cant tell when he is pulling a leg or not. If you read a lot of his material you will see that a lot of it is tongue in cheek while some is written purely to piss people off.

[kallista]

Actually I was being facetious. i'm bored of reading these threads, this one is over 50 pages long. Crowley is an irrelevance in my opinion, why bother?

He would have loved all this because as you have pointed out he was essentially a self publicist and attention seeker.

In E.M Butler's book "Ritual Magic". (CUP 1947), Crowley barely gets a mention, despite the fact she was a contemporary. She wrote:

"In spite of the sensational nature of his claims he gained no converts of importance and never attracted a large following. The times were against him. There were much more potent ,dangerous, destructive, evil personalities about, who have produced disasters on a scale of such magnitude as to make the Book of the Law seem vapid and the writers influence on the life of his age utterly negligible"

[kallista]

Ever get the feeling you've been had?

By promoting Crowley The Cabal are having a laugh at your expense, Marpat. Sadly, you have your head so far up your quasi magical arse it is something you will never realise.

[damagedbrainn]

Actually I was being facetious. i'm bored of reading these threads, this one is over 50 pages long. Crowley is an irrelevance in my opinion, why bother?

He would have loved all this because as you have pointed out he was essentially a self publicist and attention seeker.

In E.M Butler's book "Ritual Magic". (CUP 1947), Crowley barely gets a mention, despite the fact she was a contemporary. She wrote:

"In spite of the sensational nature of his claims he gained no converts of importance and never attracted a large following. The times were against him. There were much more potent ,dangerous, destructive, evil personalities about, who have produced disasters on a scale of such magnitude as to make the Book of the Law seem vapid and the writers influence on the life of his age utterly negligible"

Despite his personal feelings, Regardie was among the "converts" that Crowley attracted...in fact, Regardie is largely responsible for preventing Crowley's work from fading into obscurity. And I really don't get Butler's reference to "evil personalities" producing "disasters" of a grand magnitude....I mean, is that supposed to be a good thing? Is that what a talented and noteworthy occultist should aspire to? So like, one should look down on Crowley because he didn't produce such disasters? Is this what you aspire to?

I'm starting to think that you really don't have much of a clue.

Honestly, if you're so bored of the topic, then why do you keep showing up in them?

[marpat]

Ever get the feeling you've been had?

By promoting Crowley The Cabal are having a laugh at your expense, Marpat. Sadly, you have your head so far up your quasi magical arse it is something you will never realise.

Whatever, by being to stupid to see through symbols people will just laugh at you anyway.

Oooo I had better give it all up if people are laughing at me, ooo, what will become of me.

Normally people are accuse to havign their head up their arse by people who feel inferior. There is no need to feel like a lesser person, we are all king of our own inner kingdom.

[kallista]

I'm just trying to help.

[marpat]

Don't you people ever give up? Who really cares about Crowley?
He's been dead for sixty years.
It is not him we should be worrying about. It is the black magicians who do not attract attention to themselves, who work on all of us every day.

Why is Crowley such a problem to you anyway. Read his Liber Oz, I am sure you will agree with what it says.

[marpat]

I'm just trying to help.


Can the blind offer help? I am not trying to provoke you but how can somebody who has no real knowledge of magic and the inner aspects of the systems try to tell other that they are evil?

Many occult teachings are hidden in a language that is designed to throw off people who are merely curious dabblers, like ES was before he got harrassed by spirits. Sometimes this language takes an unsavoury form and only those who activley persists get to grips with the real meaning.

It is a well known thing that the mysteries protect themselves and what is being demonstrated in here is proof of that. The path is not just laid before everybody until they are ready to start treading it. When a person is ready they will tread the path and in time will understadn what the strange, curios and sometimes frightening ideas and concepts are really about. Those on the outside will just see a veil of darkness and in their darkness make their judgements.

[kallista]

i have read most of his work. I have practiced magic, and achieved results, some of which were unexpected. I no longer do so.
Crowley to me is a bit like one of those American TV evangelists. Like i said before why are there no 50 page threads on Regardie or Spare?
Because people can rattle on about how he sacrificed 150 children a year (ridiculous) and you can refute it.
It is sort of sad no?
Surely we should be fighting the real power?

[marpat]

i have read most of his work. I have practiced magic, and achieved results, some of which were unexpected. I no longer do so.
Crowley to me is a bit like one of those American TV evangelists. Like i said before why are there no 50 page threads on Regardie or Spare?
Because people can rattle on about how he sacrificed 150 children a year (ridiculous) and you can refute it.
It is sort of sad no?
Surely we should be fighting the real power?

I cant see why there is no thread on other people. Kenneth Grant may be another good subject, he has his own OTO with some reall weird ideas.

I am all for fighting against the true oppressors but to many people in here tend to point the finger in the wrong direction.

There are many things people quote about him but people never seem interested in context or the time scales of such things. As he grew his views changed greatly and his methods did to. At some point he was very oppressive towards women but later actively promoted womens equality, etc.

[thirdwave]

i have read most of his work. I have practiced magic, and achieved results, some of which were unexpected. I no longer do so.
Crowley to me is a bit like one of those American TV evangelists. Like i said before why are there no 50 page threads on Regardie or Spare?
Because people can rattle on about how he sacrificed 150 children a year (ridiculous) and you can refute it.
It is sort of sad no?
Surely we should be fighting the real power?

If you want to start a thread on Regardie and Spare then go for it.. im not sure why you are implying we should be doing the same as everyone takes what they want from who they want...... and the only person who is starting these Crowley threads is usually ES.... others simply defend the fact that Crowley was more miss understood by ignorance and the MSM than evil...

I certainly will not be told who I should learn from I will make that choice..

You come across as a typical type who thinks you are some wizard and knows it all, when your ego would tare you to bits if you got into anything really potent... probably end up on one of Barons "look what the occult does" threads.

*preparing for my fourth coming occult lessons.* :rolleyes:

[kallista]

If you want to start a thread on Regardie and Spare then go for it.. im not sure why you are implying we should be doing the same as everyone takes what they want from who they want...... and the only person who is starting these Crowley threads is usually ES.... others simply defend the fact that Crowley was more miss understood by ignorance and the MSM than evil...

I certainly will not be told who I should learn from I will make that choice..

You come across as a typical type who thinks you are some wizard and knows it all, when your ego would tare you to bits if you got into anything really potent... probably end up on one of Barons "look what the occult does" threads.

*preparing for my fourth coming occult lessons.* :rolleyes:

Yawn

[thirdwave]

Yawn

XBox?

[kasalt]

The human sacrifice thing is total nonsense, and common sense alone should tell you that

The victim listed above is purely symbolic. If you want to take it a literal then you are a fool, just like those who take the bible literally.

That's what they all say. Unfortunately, the human remains of satanic ritual sacrifice continue to be uncovered. Am I supposed to take that symbolically too?

[eternal_spirit]

Reminders

The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands,
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord
(Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, Black Lodge Publishing 1991)

Satan worshippers kill and eat four Russian teenagers after stabbing each of them 666 times

Will Stewart
UK Daily Mail
Monday, Sept 15, 2008

A gang of Satan worshippers has killed and eaten four Russian teenagers, police have revealed.

Three girls and one boy were each stabbed 666 times, dismembered and cooked on a bonfire in a revolting Satanist ritual in the Yaroslavl region, 300 miles north-east of Moscow.

Their limbs, hearts, scalps, breasts and genitals were cut off and were recovered in a pit along with the body of a small rodent crucified on an upside-down cross.

The number 666 is revered by Satanists who see it linked to the devil.

The victims, all described as goths, were aged between 16 and 17 and were allegedly forced to get drunk before the ritualistic murders.

Their killers then allegedly lit a bonfire under a tree near a cottage where they cooked and ate their victims’ body parts.

Anya Gorokhova, Olga Pukhova, Varya Kuzmina and Andrei Sorokin went missing from their homes in June and their bodies found only in the middle of August.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=505376&postcount=126

EDIT btw there's been a number of real documented posts posted in these forums about Crowley followers/satanists murders/sacrifices to Satan/demons.

[damagedbrainn]

That's what they all say. Unfortunately, the human remains of satanic ritual sacrifice continue to be uncovered. Am I supposed to take that symbolically too?

How many of these satanic ritual murders occur in areas where Christianity isn't the dominant religion?

[kasalt]

How many of these satanic ritual murders occur in areas where Christianity isn't the dominant religion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice#History_by_region

According to the Hindustan Times, there have been 25 human sacrifices in western Uttar Pradesh over a period of six months in 2003.[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice#cite_note-53) Similarly, police in Khurja reported "dozens of sacrifices" in the period of half a year in 2006.

Of course, you may answer that these ritual murders are not committed in the name of Satan, but Satan is just one name for it. The force behind it is the same.

[marpat]

That's what they all say. Unfortunately, the human remains of satanic ritual sacrifice continue to be uncovered. Am I supposed to take that symbolically too?


For somebody who claims to have a lot of experience and who has read Crowleys work you show a remarkable lack of knowledge.

Do you know of any sacrfices that you did not read on the internet?

[kasalt]

For somebody who claims to have a lot of experience and who has read Crowleys work you show a remarkable lack of knowledge.

Oh most knowledgeable one, enlighten me, I beseech thee!

Do you know of any sacrfices that you did not read on the internet?

What's it to you?

[marpat]

Oh most knowledgeable one, enlighten me, I beseech thee!



What's it to you?


You dont have the sort of mind that can be easily enlightened. You have shown you are unable to penetrate the deeper significance of ideas.

[kasalt]

You dont have the sort of mind that can be easily enlightened. You have shown you are unable to penetrate the deeper significance of ideas.

OK, well regardless of the outcome, thank you for your consideration. ;)

Sorry I don't measure up! :)

[marpat]

Have any of you read David Wilcock works on the Law of One? I was looking through some last night and Aleister Crowley is actually mentioned. The questioner asks Ra about Crowley. Ra then states that Crowley was presently undergoing an inner level healing process and that he is a positive entity. It mentions that his main problem was that he was overstimulated by the true nature of things and it got beyond his control. I will try and find it again so that I can put up a link. There is no mention of him being a satanic murderer working for the NWO.

[marpat]

Here is the text:

Category: People: Aleister Crowley

Questioner: Did this entity, then, even though he intellectually understood the Law of One, misuse it and have to go through this healing process?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity became, may we use the vibration sound complex, overstimulated with the true nature of things. This over-stimulation resulted in behavior that was beyond the conscious control of the entity. The entity thus, in many attempts to go through the process of balancing, as we have described the various centers beginning with the red ray and moving upwards, became somewhat alienated from other-selves. This entity was positive. However, its journey was difficult due to the inability to use, synthesize, and harmonize the understandings of the desires of the self so that it might have shared, in full compassion, with other-selves. This entity thus became very unhealthy, as you may call it, in a spiritual complex manner, and it is necessary for those with this type of distortion towards inner pain to be nurtured in the inner planes until such an entity is capable of viewing the experiences again with the lack of distortion towards pain.

Category: People: Aleister Crowley

Questioner: I just have two little questions here at the end. The instrument wanted to ask if there were any other substances, foods, etc. that she should not eat or dring or things that she should not do because she does not wish to have poor contact for any reason.

Ra: I am Ra. There is no activity which this instrument engages in which affects abilities negatively. There is one activity which affects its abilities positively. This is the sexual activity, as you would call it. There are substances ingested which do not aid the individual in the service it has chosen, this being that which you would call the marijuana. This is due to the distortion towards chemical lapses within the mind complex causing lack of synaptic continuity. This is a chemical reaction of short duration. This instrument, however, has not used this particular substance at any time while performing this service. We believe we have covered the use of such chemical agents as LSD, this being positive to a certain extent due to the energizing or speeding up of the vital forces. However, it is not recommended for this instrument due to the toll it takes upon the vital energies once the substance wears off. This being true of any speeding-up chemical.

[eternal_spirit]

LOL still shilling for Satan.

[marpat]

LOL still shilling for Satan.


????How??? I was just posting some information by an Author who a lot of people in here hold in high regard. Dont shoot the messenger.

[kasalt]

Have any of you read David Wilcock works on the Law of One? I was looking through some last night and Aleister Crowley is actually mentioned... Ra then states that Crowley was presently undergoing an inner level healing process and that he is a positive entity...There is no mention of him being a satanic murderer working for the NWO.Have any of you read David Icke's The Biggest Secret? I was looking through it last night and Aleister Crowley is actually mentioned. Here's an excerpt:

Crowley was asked by his wife, Rose, to perform an esoteric ritual...

During the ceremony she entered a trance-like state and began to channel the words of a communicator. “They are waiting for you” she said to Crowley. The “They ”, she said, was Horus, the god of war and the son of Osiris, in ancient Egyptian belief. Crowley did not accept any of this and asked his wife a series of detailed questions in an effort to trick her. But Rose, who apparently knew little of the esoteric, gave the correct answer every time, according to the official story. The reptilians were on the line again.


The communicator told Crowley to be at a desk in his hotel room between noon and one o'clock on three specific days. He agreed and in these periods he wrote, via automatic writing, a document called the Book Of The Law. Automatic writing is when your arm and hand are guided by another force and often no-one is more surprised at what they are writing than the person involved.

Crowley’s communication said that the old age of Osiris was being replaced by the new age of Horus. But it said the old age would first have to be destroyed by barbarism and the Earth bathed in blood. There would be a world war, he was told. The Book Of The Law taught of a race of supermen and condemned the old religions, pacifism, democracy, compassion, and humanitarianism. “Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known”, the ‘superman’ continued.
The message went on:
“We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”2
The classic sentiments of the lower fourth dimensional reptilians and the Satanic rings which serve them. If all that sounds remarkably like some of the angry God stuff in the Old Testament, that’s because it was the same force which communicated to the ancients, to Crowley, and to anyone else on that vibration who would help to stimulate the conflict of human misery on which these reptiles feed. This is the force that controls the consciousness of those which have controlled the Babylonian Brotherhood since ancient times.



--David Icke, The Biggest Secret, Chaper 12: The Black Sun

[eternal_spirit]

Yes Kasalt I've posted this a few times on these threads. There's two possibilities it was direct spirit communication, or it was a made up story (the predictions about Wars were obvioulsy the NWO plans) They always plan in advance, then have authors make prophecies and those not in the know of the plan, the readers (masses) think the authors are prophets.

You can sure predict the future if you know the game plan:rolleyes:

Annie Bessant (Theosphy) who claimed to channel the ascened masters later admitted the ascend masters where Masons and human not spirits.

[marpat]

Have any of you read David Icke's The Biggest Secret? I was looking through it last night and Aleister Crowley is actually mentioned. Here's an excerpt:

Crowley was asked by his wife, Rose, to perform an esoteric ritual...

During the ceremony she entered a trance-like state and began to channel the words of a communicator. “They are waiting for you” she said to Crowley. The “They ”, she said, was Horus, the god of war and the son of Osiris, in ancient Egyptian belief. Crowley did not accept any of this and asked his wife a series of detailed questions in an effort to trick her. But Rose, who apparently knew little of the esoteric, gave the correct answer every time, according to the official story. The reptilians were on the line again.


The communicator told Crowley to be at a desk in his hotel room between noon and one o'clock on three specific days. He agreed and in these periods he wrote, via automatic writing, a document called the Book Of The Law. Automatic writing is when your arm and hand are guided by another force and often no-one is more surprised at what they are writing than the person involved.

Crowley’s communication said that the old age of Osiris was being replaced by the new age of Horus. But it said the old age would first have to be destroyed by barbarism and the Earth bathed in blood. There would be a world war, he was told. The Book Of The Law taught of a race of supermen and condemned the old religions, pacifism, democracy, compassion, and humanitarianism. “Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known”, the ‘superman’ continued.
The message went on:
“We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”2
The classic sentiments of the lower fourth dimensional reptilians and the Satanic rings which serve them. If all that sounds remarkably like some of the angry God stuff in the Old Testament, that’s because it was the same force which communicated to the ancients, to Crowley, and to anyone else on that vibration who would help to stimulate the conflict of human misery on which these reptiles feed. This is the force that controls the consciousness of those which have controlled the Babylonian Brotherhood since ancient times.



--David Icke, The Biggest Secret, Chaper 12: The Black Sun


I dont think they mention reptilians or babylonian brotherhood.

Like I have said before you take the meaning you want to believe. You have accepted what Icke wrote, which gives his own spin on it.

Wilcocks source does not give such an evil account and his sources is supposed to be behind all this ascension stuff. I dont care what you think yourself, your stance is wrong and your information shallow and inaccurrate, taken out of context.

[kasalt]

I dont think they mention reptilians or babylonian brotherhood.

Like I have said before you take the meaning you want to believe. You have accepted what Icke wrote, which gives his own spin on it...I dont care what you think yourself, your stance is wrong and your information shallow and inaccurrate, taken out of context.

OK, well here are the Crowley quotes, sans Icke's commentary, just for you:
“Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known...We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”

[marpat]

OK, well here are the Crowley quotes, sans Icke's commentary, just for you:
“Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known...We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”


Its easy to quote such books but another thing to understand what exactly they are saying.

That quote does not say sacrifice children. It says sacrifice cattle after a child, the birth of the inner, magical child. The cattle is a reference to the lower nature. How shallow your mind is. Just because Icke cannot tell his arse from his elbow regarding stuff like this it does not mean there is no other view. All you show is that your opinions are those of David Icke, a man who is not an expert in the field that he so freely condemns. Icke is also a man who has used drugs to induced altered states of mind from which he has received information from another being. Who is to say that he was not manipulated by this being? would he know? would you know?

All I have done here is to show that the consciousness behind the 2012 ascension does not view Crowley as some evil murder, but does say he is a positive entity. Personally I am not into the David Wilcocks stuff so it would not matter to me. What are your thoughts on Wilcocks?

If you consider the true enemies of progress on the path are within ourselves then you have to take it into the correct context of seeing these weak beings as being the weak parts of ourselves that prevent us achieving our true potential.

[thirdwave]

Was the book of Law not channeld words anyway?.... from a being named Aiwass ?

[kasalt]

Its easy to quote such books but another thing to understand what exactly they are saying.

That quote does not say sacrifice children. It says sacrifice cattle after a child, the birth of the inner, magical child. The cattle is a reference to the lower nature. How shallow your mind is.

Crowley wrote propaganda promoting the Nazis.

All I have done here is to show that the consciousness behind the 2012 ascension does not view Crowley as some evil murder, but does say he is a positive entity. Personally I am not into the David Wilcocks stuff so it would not matter to me. What are your thoughts on Wilcocks?The ascension/2012 stuff has never resonated with me. I don't buy into it (though I have friends on this forum who do, and I believe that "consciousness changes DNA"). As for David Wilcock, I've come across his name on this forum, but other than that I know next to nothing about him.

[marpat]

Crowley wrote propaganda promoting the Nazis.

The ascension/2012 stuff has never resonated with me. I don't buy into it (though I have friends on this forum who do, and I believe that "consciousness changes DNA"). As for David Wilcock, I've come across his name on this forum, but other than that I know next to nothing about him.


Looks like you dont buy anything unless Icke says it.

Let us see this propoganda. I dont ever recall reading it in his books. Perhaps he promoted certain aspects of nazi ideaology if it was in line with his own ideaology but this does not mean that he was 100% behind everything they stood for. Nothing is ever purely black and white you know, and people sometimes support things they later regret. You seem to think that people are infallible.

If you read this forum you will find a lot of users who promote nazi ideas. How many people in here hate the Jews for instance and blame them for the worlds troubles and then deny the holocaust? straight from 30's Germany.

[kasalt]

Let us see this propoganda. I dont ever recall reading it in his books.

Perhaps it was pro-German propaganda during WWI that I was thinking of:
His popularity in the United States had been slight on the heels of the pro-German propaganda he released there during World War I; in World War II he shocked and alienated even more people by commenting that "Before Hitler was, I am." (Source (http://www.answers.com/topic/aleister-crowley))

[marpat]

Perhaps it was pro-German propaganda during WWI that I was thinking of:
His popularity in the United States had been slight on the heels of the pro-German propaganda he released there during World War I; in World War II he shocked and alienated even more people by commenting that "Before Hitler was, I am." (Source (http://www.answers.com/topic/aleister-crowley))



That sounds a bit more accurate. If you read Crowleys work he states that his intent was to produce material that what seemed to be pro-German but which really mocked them and made them look stupid. Whether you believe his word is entirely a subjective decision. The public did not believe him, which is not suprising really.

The Hitler comment was probably a joke. His work contains many very dry jokes. Who cares really. No matter what he said or done back then the fact is that he was all for destroying the christian mind set and slave mentality of the nation so he would always be made out to be the bad guy, even if that involved using lies.

[kasalt]

Apparently, on top of Crowley being a satanist, a turd eater, and a toad crucifier, among other things he was also a plagiarist. A new book out dishes the scoop:

Aleister Crowley and the 20th Century Synthesis of Magick: Strange Distant Gods That are Not Dead Today: Amazon.co.uk: Dave Evans: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51umck7TfRL.@@AMEPARAM@@51umck7TfRL

"fascinating and controversial... suggests that the Book Of The Law shows evidence of plagiarism from other sources... Crowleyites may suffer apoplexy" Peter J Carroll

" raises intriguing questions about Crowley and reconsiders what we think we know from earlier sources." Spiralnature.com review

"If you have the verve and discipline to do your master’s thesis on Crowley, with the huge amount of research into rare and unusual sources and strange connections that it requires to provide new insights into the man’s life... to probe myths, scandals and controversies and shed light on them all, is to provide a great service to the history of Thelema." review in SilverStar Journal, Issue 8

Read sample chapters here (http://occultebooks.com/Portals/0/pdfs/Pages%20from%20SynthesisofMagic.pdf)

http://occultebooks.com/books/CrowleyandSynthesisofMagick/tabid/161/Default.aspx

[damagedbrainn]

Apparently, on top of Crowley being a satanist, a turd eater, and a toad crucifier, among other things he was also a plagiarist. A new book out dishes the scoop:

Aleister Crowley and the 20th Century Synthesis of Magick (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aleister-Crowley-Century-Synthesis-Magick/dp/0955523729/ref=sr_1_1/026-7724541-8519607?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182350086&sr=1-1)

"fascinating and controversial... suggests that the Book Of The Law shows evidence of plagiarism from other sources... Crowleyites may suffer apoplexy" Peter J Carroll

" raises intriguing questions about Crowley and reconsiders what we think we know from earlier sources." Spiralnature.com review

"If you have the verve and discipline to do your master’s thesis on Crowley, with the huge amount of research into rare and unusual sources and strange connections that it requires to provide new insights into the man’s life... to probe myths, scandals and controversies and shed light on them all, is to provide a great service to the history of Thelema." review in SilverStar Journal, Issue 8

Read sample chapters here (http://occultebooks.com/Portals/0/pdfs/Pages%20from%20SynthesisofMagic.pdf)

http://occultebooks.com/books/CrowleyandSynthesisofMagick/tabid/161/Default.aspx

I seriously doubt that that would stir up too much controversy. Most of Crowley's writings are compilations, interpretations, and commentaries of various other religious and esoteric sources. I mean, Crowley didn't invent taoism, kabbalah, hermeticism, yoga, enochian, or any of the other systems he used. Very little of it is of completely original design, and there's no reason why the Book of the Law would be any different unless someone absolutely needs to believe that it was "divinely" inspired. Even the motto "Do What Thou Wilt" and the word "Thelema" are taken from Gargantua and Pantagruel by François Rabelais, and I've personally noticed striking similarities with "Do What Thou Wilt" and the way in which Crowley interpreted it and certain passages and footnotes in the book Paradoxes of the Highest Science by Eliphas Levi.

This is already fairly common knowledge to anyone who's actually done their reading. Though I have no idea exactly what Carroll could be referring to; granted, I don't really much care because I think he's a bit of a hack, but it would be interesting to see what passages he's referencing and what sources he alleges they were taken from. It may in fact make the book easier to understand....I've always had difficulty finding much of any value in it.

[kweli]

Crowley = Yawn.. ffs guys! leave these beasts alone. Don't let em drain your energy.

[damagedbrainn]

Crowley = Yawn.. ffs guys! leave these beasts alone. Don't let em drain your energy.

Is energy vampirism via the internet effected in any way by the type of internet connection one has? Like, if you have a cable connection can you consume more energy (and likewise have more energy consumed) than, say, if you have a 56k modem? And can this vampirism be prevented with a really dandy firewall?

[eternal_spirit]

Crowley was given Scottish rite degree/title by a Mayan Shaman Freemason, that's your clue.

[thirdwave]

Of course I would advize a Robert Anton Wilson book over a Crowley one personally..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B2C-u-F10v8&feature=related

[soulja]

thirdwave just invented a new discipline, it's called 'shill jumping' ;)

[supertzar]

thirdwave just invented a new discipline, it's called 'shill jumping' ;)

It's getting shilly in here. :o

[marpat]

Crowley was given Scottish rite degree/title by a Mayan Shaman Freemason, that's your clue.

So what. Does that mean or prove anything. that grade wasnt even recognised by lodges in Britain anyway, which is why Crowley removed the masonic aspects from his rituals, which you would know if you studied hs work rather than skim reading crp websites.

[xpleet]

Is energy vampirism via the internet effected in any way by the type of internet connection one has? Like, if you have a cable connection can you consume more energy (and likewise have more energy consumed) than, say, if you have a 56k modem? And can this vampirism be prevented with a really dandy firewall?



Energy is not limited by space. When you chat/reply/talk to someone over the internet, your etheric energies are already interconnected, so the internet is only a symbolic way of connecting with people. As soon as you interact with someone your energies are in exchange.

You can protect yourself for example in visualizing an aura-like shield in which you then project your will against what you want the shield to protect you.

The key here is simply your own willpower, you don't even need the ability to see energy physically.

[eternal_spirit]

INVOCATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT -- (ISIS)

From the papers of Frater Progradior
Ritual used at Cefalu

DIALOGUE
M.A.: Fraters et Sorores, assist me in making clear the one Mystic Ceremony.
Brethren - what is the Hour?
Bro.: It is the Hour when Luna is simulating the MidHeaven.
Brethren - what is the place?
Sis.: It is the summit of the Sacred Mount whereon is the Assembly of the Gods. Brethren - for what purpose are we gathered together?
For.: For the purpose of invocating our Lady ISIS, the Holy Spirit, that being purified in heart and of right aspiration, we may be initiated into the Sublime Mysteries of Her nature.
Brethren - how do we hope to attain an end so sublime and exalted?
Sis.: By the aid of the Most High, the Lord of the Universe; by the Love and Devotion which we bear to our Lady ISIS; by the Unity of our purpose, the Unity of our aim, the strength of our unconquered _Will_, and by our knowledge of the names whereby the Holy Goddess may be most readily invoked.
Brethren - it is sufficient: Let us now, being of one heart, one mind, and of one accord, exalt ourselves with fervour, that in very truth, our Goddess, the Holy Spirit, may descend upon us from Her Throne on High; and may we, being uplifted in ecstasy, comprehend the Love, Beauty and Truth that is in Her, who is indeed the very Spouse of God.
So Mote it be.

_Nepthys_

Hail unto Thee, HOLY SPIRIT! Thy Sister Nepthys invokes Thee.
O ISIS, Hear us!
" " " " " Nepthys, who dost aid Thee in gathering together
the Scattered Members.
O ISIS, Hear us!
" " " " " Nepthys, who supportest with Thee our Lord
Osiris, invokes Thee
O ISIS!
" " " " " Nepthys, who weepest with Thee at the
resurrection of Osiris, invokes thee.
O ISIS!
" " " " " Nepthys, who cometh rejoicing with the sound of
the drum and the Sistrum, invokes thee.
O ISIS!
" " " " " I, NEPTHYS, bid Thee come to thy Temple.
O ISIS!
" " " " " Thou Lady beloved of us all.
O ISIS!
" " " " " Come without fear; behold thy enemies are
scattered.
O ISIS!
" " " " " I, NEPTHYS, Thy Sister, love Thee.
O ISIS! Hear us!
" " " " " Bring thy gladness into the heart of thy sister,
" " " " " O ISIS!
Hasten unto us! delay not! for our hearts are
open to receive Thee.
O ISIS!
" " " " " NEPTHYS, the initiator into the Mysteries, awaits
thy coming.
O ISIS!

_HARPOCRATES_
(Standing in the Sign of Silence)
Hail, O Hail, HOLY SPIRIT! Hoor-pa-kraat, invokes Thee.
O ISIS! Hear us!
" " " " Thy son, born maimed from the womb, invokes Thee.
" " " " Thy son, exalted in glory, invokes
Thee, O ISIS!
" " " " Hoor-pa-kraat, Enthroned upon the Lotus, invokes
Thee.
" " " " O ISIS! the Lord in the Silence invokes Thee.
O ISIS!

_HORUS_
(Standing in the Sign of the Enterer)
Hail Holy Spirit Horus thy Son invokes Thee.
O ISIS! We invoke Thee.
" " " The Avenger of the Death of Osiris invokes Thee.
" " " O ISIS! The Slayer of Thy Enemies invokes Thee.
" " " O ISIS! The Hawk-Headed One invokes Thee.
" " " O ISIS! The Slayer of Set invokes Thee.
" " " O ISIS! Horus, Lord of the Two Worlds, invokes Thee.
O ISIS!

_LITANY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT - (ISIS)_
Hail Holy Spirit Hail! Thou Spouse of God! Hear us, we beseech Thee.
" " " " Thou Queen of Heaven!.....Hear us!
" " " " Thou Mother of Nature!....Hear us.
" " " " Thou Bride, Mother and Daughter of the Crucified!
Hear us!
" " " " Thou Immaculate Virgin of Eternity!....Hear us.
" " " " Thou Scarlet Woman who ridest on the Beast! Hear us.
" " " " Thou Radiant Queen of Beauty!.....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, our Lady of Sorrow!......Hear us.
" " " " Thou, clothed with the Sun!......Hear us.
" " " " Thou, who standest on the Moon!.....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, whose head is the Diadem of the Twelve Stars..
.....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, who art Crowned with the Throne....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, who art horned as the Moon!.....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, our Lady of the Earth!........Hear us.
" " " " Thou, our Lady of the Amber Skin!.....Hear us.
" " " " Thou, whose Countenance is as grass refreshed by rain
.......Hear us.
" " " " Thou, Lady of Love and Victory!.......Hear us.
" " " " Thou, Crowned with Light, Life & Love....Hear us.
(Extended arms)
" " " " Osiris, thy Lord, awaits Thee.....Hear us.
" " " " Osiris, Slain and Crucified, awaits thee....Hear us.
(Cross arms)
" " " " Osiris, Risen and justified, awaits thee. Hear us.
" " " " Osiris, the Great Bull of Ameritus awaits thee. Hear
us.
" " " " Osiris, bearing the Royal Uraeus upon his forehead
awaits thee....Hear us.
" "'' " " Lo!~ The Opener-of-ways, bids thee come...Hear us!

[thirdwave]

I bet Isis rocked.

[eternal_spirit]

Boleskine House is located on the south-eastern shore of Loch Ness, close to the village of Foyers, Inverness shire, Scotland. The mansion was constructed in the late 18th century by Archibald Fraser. According to a local legend, there was once a church on the site, which caught fire trapping its whole congregation inside, burning them all to death. Aleister Crowley purchased the foreboding Boleskine House in 1899 and styled himself 'Laird of Boleskine and Abertarff'. He remained there until 1913, and bizarre tales of odd goings on at Boleskine House during his occupancy are legion, though the majority probably originate in local folklore.

One story concerns a local butcher who called at the house for the meat order while Crowley was involved in the lengthy difficult ritual of Abramelin (see below). The butcher's incessant ringing of the bell broke Crowley's concentration and, irritated and frustrated, he hastily scrawled the meat order on the nearest piece of paper, which happened to have a spell written on the back. Shortly afterwards, when the butcher was cutting up the meat for Crowley's order back at his shop, he apparently lost concentration and sliced all the fingers off his right hand with the cleaver. Other stories tell of the unexplained disappearance of Crowley's housekeeper and a local workman who went out of his mind after being tormented by the dark spirits conjured up by Crowley's rituals.

The actual magical ritual which Crowley attempted to perform at Boleskine had nothing to do with black masses or black magic. It is known as the 'Abramelin Operation', taken from ' The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage', a famous grimoire (book of magical knowledge), dating back to at least the middle of the 15th century. Crowley seems to have become aware of the ritual from the 1897 translation of the book by occultist Samuel Liddel Mathers, one of the founders of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which Crowley had joined in 1898, before falling out with most of its members, including Mathers, a few years later. The purpose of performing the lengthy and intense Abramelin ritual was for the magician to communicate with his 'Holy Guardian Angel' or Higher Self. Unfortunately for Crowley and those around him the Abramelin rites seem to have succeeded mainly in summoning 'demons' or 'the Abramelin devils' as Crowley calls them. During Crowley's occupancy there were reports of a heavy, oppressive atmosphere at Boleskine, dark eerie shadows filled the house, fierce winds blew through the rooms despite calm weather outside, and strange figures were seen in the area. There is also a legend of an underground passage way linking the house with a nearby graveyard, said to have been utilised by Crowley for some unknown reason, perhaps to scare off intruders. Crowley later sold Boleskine House and it subsequently had a series of private owners including, in the 1970s, Led Zeppelin guitarist and Crowley fanatic Jimmy Page. Even today the property retains a slightly sinister atmosphere. To many modern occultists the geographical and spiritual significance of Boleskine remains extremely important. In fact, practitioners of Thelema, Crowley's religious philosophy, are still instructed to 'turn and face north to Boleskine' when conducting certain magical ceremonies.
Sources and Further Reading

Booth, M. A Magick Life: The Life of Aleister Crowley. Coronet Books. 2001.
Crowley, Aleister. The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Routledge & Kegan Paul. 1979.
Kaczynski, R. Perdurabo: The Life of Aleister Crowley.
Sutin, L.Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley. Griffin Trade Paperbacks. 2002.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2004/jul/10/society

[eternal_spirit]

Scientology’s Dark Side
Among other unethical behavior, hate- and harassment activities are part and parcel of Scientology. Hatred is codified, promoted and encouraged in the cult (http://cultfaq.org/#defcults)’s own scriptures, written by founder L. Ron Hubbard (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h29.html).
Scientology’s unethical behavior: learn about the cult’s ‘Fair Game (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f08.html)‘ policy
More of Scientology’s unethical behavior: the cult’s ‘dead agenting (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d05.html)‘ policy
Examples of Scientology’s hate- and harassment activities (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f08.html)
Scientology’s ’secret service’ - a history of crime and dirty tricks (http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/)
More research resources on Scientology (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04.html)

[eternal_spirit]

Edit from an interview with Ron Hubbard's son.

Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing. Sometimes he used to write a new biography every week. He usually said that he had put thirty years of research into the book. But no, he did not. What he did, reaily, was take bits and pieces from other people and put them together in a blender and stir them all up --and out came Dianetics! All the examples in the book --some 200 "real-life experiences" --were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and unconscious states... In fact, the vast majority of those incidents were invented off the top of his head. The rest stem from his own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God. Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old.

Command Chart of Scientology leaked
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33979

[marpat]

Wow, thats incredibly boring stuff ES. You should post info that people might find useful rather that posting stuff which is crap.

Do you have any interest in the works of David Wilcocks?

[thirdwave]

Wow, thats incredibly boring stuff ES. You should post info that people might find useful rather that posting stuff which is crap.

Do you have any interest in the works of David Wilcocks?

my guess is ES thinks he is a new age puppet or a Rosicrucian missleader.... see if im right..

I think DW is clued up within allot of things and very interesting to listen to... although he does drop the odd bullshit bomb... i think he has a little bit of the Icke turquoise faze syndrome going on... only a little bit though..

[eternal_spirit]

Wow, thats incredibly boring stuff ES. You should post info that people might find useful rather that posting stuff which is crap.

Do you have any interest in the works of David Wilcocks?

Go ahead do tell of something interesting?

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by marpat http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=543200#post543200)


Do you have any interest in the works of David Wilcocks?

Don't know much about him is there a point that relates to this thread?

He claims to be Edgar Gayce reincarnated does Wilcock.

[kasalt]

Have any of you read David Wilcock works on the Law of One? I was looking through some last night and Aleister Crowley is actually mentioned...There is no mention of him being a satanic murderer working for the NWO.

Apparently, David Wilcock was also involved in promoting the 14 Oct. UFO rubbish:

Why Nothing Happened on October 14th
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39069

Shows how questionable a source he really is, IMO.

[thirdwave]

Apparently, David Wilcock was also involved in promoting the 14 Oct. UFO rubbish:

Why Nothing Happened on October 14th
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39069

Shows how questionable a source he really is, IMO.

:rolleyes:

so being open minded is now called promoting??

lol

He was not involved in this prediction one little bit and played the same role as people on the 14th Oct thread......

:rolleyes:

[kasalt]

:rolleyes:

so being open minded is now called promoting??

lol

He was not involved in this prediction one little bit and played the same role as people on the 14th Oct thread......

:rolleyes:

M8 this whole thing was about energy vampirism. If he was worth his salt he would have known that.

[thankyoudave]

Some people seem to be defending this bloke. He was a part of these secret society networks wasn't he. You'll defend this bloke but attack Bono for accepting a knighthood. :D

[thirdwave]

M8 this whole thing was about energy vampirism. If he was worth his salt he would have known that.

He may not be a perfect human.... but he had his choice to believe or not believe this thing...

I think DW does come out with some weird stuff but not because he is not worth anything... I think its because he is a weird bloke and comes across as quite out there....

I agree it could have been a ploy to drain people.....

But because DW did not come and save the day I see no reason to view him negatively... he totally believes in the ETE stuff so of course he was likely to be open to it...

[thirdwave]

He was a part of these secret society networks wasn't he.


No.. that turned out to be a set up by the CIA....... DW is independent.

[thankyoudave]

No.. that turned out to be a set up by the CIA....... DW is independent.

I was talking about Crowley.

[marpat]

Quote:
Originally Posted by marpat http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=543200#post543200)


Do you have any interest in the works of David Wilcocks?

Don't know much about him is there a point that relates to this thread?

He claims to be Edgar Gayce reincarnated does Wilcock.



There is a big point here.

David Wilcocks claims to be in contact with the group mind that is behind the whole ascension thing, named Ra. This Ra contact was asked about Crowley and it stated that he is now in our inner levels having a healing experience. It also stated that Crowley was a positive entity who suffered by invoking more life force then he could control at the time, which caused him some problem.

If Crowley is evil then why did this Ra not state so. If Ra is false then this means all the information about the 2012 ascension concept is also false.

[thirdwave]

I was talking about Crowley.

ahh ok well "secret society networks" is a bit vague... he was in a secret society... yes... he was not excepted into British freemasonry.

he pretty much created a society.

[kasalt]

so being open minded is now called promoting??

lol

He was not involved in this prediction one little bit and played the same role as people on the 14th Oct thread......

I went back and took a closer look at what he had to say about it and when, and you're right. Nothing he said about it stood out to me as something I disagreed with.

Apologies, my misunderstanding.

[thirdwave]

I went back and took a closer look at what he had to say about it and when, and you're right. Nothing he said about it stood out to me as something I disagreed with.

Apologies, my misunderstanding.

that's cool, it appears you where being genuine and not just taking a cheep shot like some...

[eternal_spirit]

In the early 1930s, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent victims were deported to Siberia's uninhabitable hinterlands and abandoned to their fates. Millions more, possibly 10 million, starved to death in their ancestral homeland, surrounded by fertile land that once served as the breadbasket of Europe. In a scandalous infamy far worse than the Blair episode, Walter Duranty, in the pages of the New York Times, said the genocide didn't happen--even though he and the Times knew that it did. For both Duranty and the Times, casting Stalin's "workers' paradise" in a favorable light was more important than telling the truth that the Soviet government was murdering millions of innocents.

Thanks to much hard and thankless work by Ukrainians and others around the world, the truth about the terrible genocide in the Ukraine has gradually become known to a wider circle.

The Devil and Duranty
Walter Duranty was born in late Victorian England to a family of some wealth. He attended, for the most part, the finest schools, first at Harrow as a boy, and later moving on to Cambridge. Despite possessing a fine mind and academic capability, Duranty ended his higher education prematurely, preferring instead a more exciting life as a poor vagabond frequently journeying between New York and Paris. That he was tapping into the seedy underground world of both cities can be inferred from the fact that during this time he met and befriended Aleister Crowley.


The two men became friends and partners, sharing an interest in the occult, in drugs, and in the affections of Jane "the Scarlet Woman'" Cheron. It was now 1913, and by the end of the year Crowley, assisted by Duranty and another partner named Victor Neuberg, began the elaborate Satanic rituals Crowley dubbed "the Paris workings." These rituals were designed to evoke the Roman gods Mercury and Jupiter, whose analogues in the Greek Pantheon are Hermes and Zeus. The first of 23 ceremonies, composed of pagan, Satanic rituals and chants mixed with homosexual encounters between the participants, took place on December 31, 1913. Duranty, serving as "priest," administered what Crowley termed a "sacrament," the key component of which was a homosexual act.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_18_19/ai_n25074649/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

[signs]

And what of Horus did he not defeat Set not just in the flesh but in spirit too, paving the way for enlightenment and peace for the souls of humans ,not much is taught of him and his life or is there , if there is i would like to know more about him and would be eternally grateful if some good person could point me in the right direction ,if not then i will have to do my own digging.:D

[marpat]

In the early 1930s, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent victims were deported to Siberia's uninhabitable hinterlands and abandoned to their fates. Millions more, possibly 10 million, starved to death in their ancestral homeland, surrounded by fertile land that once served as the breadbasket of Europe. In a scandalous infamy far worse than the Blair episode, Walter Duranty, in the pages of the New York Times, said the genocide didn't happen--even though he and the Times knew that it did. For both Duranty and the Times, casting Stalin's "workers' paradise" in a favorable light was more important than telling the truth that the Soviet government was murdering millions of innocents.

Thanks to much hard and thankless work by Ukrainians and others around the world, the truth about the terrible genocide in the Ukraine has gradually become known to a wider circle.

The Devil and Duranty
Walter Duranty was born in late Victorian England to a family of some wealth. He attended, for the most part, the finest schools, first at Harrow as a boy, and later moving on to Cambridge. Despite possessing a fine mind and academic capability, Duranty ended his higher education prematurely, preferring instead a more exciting life as a poor vagabond frequently journeying between New York and Paris. That he was tapping into the seedy underground world of both cities can be inferred from the fact that during this time he met and befriended Aleister Crowley.


The two men became friends and partners, sharing an interest in the occult, in drugs, and in the affections of Jane "the Scarlet Woman'" Cheron. It was now 1913, and by the end of the year Crowley, assisted by Duranty and another partner named Victor Neuberg, began the elaborate Satanic rituals Crowley dubbed "the Paris workings." These rituals were designed to evoke the Roman gods Mercury and Jupiter, whose analogues in the Greek Pantheon are Hermes and Zeus. The first of 23 ceremonies, composed of pagan, Satanic rituals and chants mixed with homosexual encounters between the participants, took place on December 31, 1913. Duranty, serving as "priest," administered what Crowley termed a "sacrament," the key component of which was a homosexual act.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_18_19/ai_n25074649/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

So what is satanic about invoking the Greek gods? that is the talk of a christian fundamentalist.

If they consented to do a homosexual ritual then so what. I think your problem is that you are a homophobe who believes that sexuality and religion/ magic should not exist together. This much is clear by your posts which only try to demonise everything that involves sex rituals.

According to some French occultist Christ was a semen eater. Also, in the Gospel of Judas Christ 'initiates' Judas into certain mysteries by taking him into his bed. Very homoerotic overtones dont you think.

[lizzy]

this crap by our resident military mouth piece.........to ES....:rolleyes:
--------
I think your problem is that you are a homophobe who believes that sexuality and religion/ magic should not exist together. This much is clear by your posts which only try to demonise everything that involves sex rituals.
--------
sounds like something from the synogoue of satan or the Bohemian grove,....:D

just ancient mindcontrol still being pushed as it has for thousands of years..:p

............wearing your long black shirt marpet?....fordging toward the hermaphrodite / androdgenous agenda, ........:eek::eek::eek: LOL.

[thirdwave]

this crap by our resident military mouth piece.........to ES....:rolleyes:
--------
I think your problem is that you are a homophobe who believes that sexuality and religion/ magic should not exist together. This much is clear by your posts which only try to demonise everything that involves sex rituals.
--------
sounds like something from the synogoue of satan or the Bohemian grove,....:D

just ancient mindcontrol still being pushed as it has for thousands of years..:p

............wearing your long black shirt marpet?....fordging toward the hermaphrodite / androdgenous agenda, ........:eek::eek::eek: LOL.


dear me... its never anything informative is it? ... its allways some silly comment which only expresses your ignorence rather than anything knowledgeable or informative....

And I'm sorry to change the subject slightly but your sig is driving me crazy!

You see... The opposite of bravery IS cowardice... this is quite simple... conformity is NOT the opposit of bravery....

For example, if one has a gun to your lovers head... you might conform for the time being... and this does not mean you are not being brave... but are taking other things into perspective.

Conformity IS the opposite of Resistance...

Who came up with that silly quote??

[marpat]

this crap by our resident military mouth piece.........to ES....:rolleyes:
--------
I think your problem is that you are a homophobe who believes that sexuality and religion/ magic should not exist together. This much is clear by your posts which only try to demonise everything that involves sex rituals.
--------
sounds like something from the synogoue of satan or the Bohemian grove,....:D

just ancient mindcontrol still being pushed as it has for thousands of years..:p

............wearing your long black shirt marpet?....fordging toward the hermaphrodite / androdgenous agenda, ........:eek::eek::eek: LOL.

yawn, got out of your coffin did you? still the same old mindless radical.

[lizzy]

yawn, got out of your coffin did you? Still the same old mindless radical.

;) :D:D:D :eek:

TW....I resist conformity (even here, LOL):D

edit ...no adonim (adimon) I was winking at your divine mind,.....yeah right LOL:eek:

[marpat]

;) :D:D:D :eek:

That is hilarious. You had to actually edit you post because you screwed up with the smileys. Rtard

[krakhead]

When this thread gets to post #666 can I lock it? - I think it'd be cool! :D

[marpat]

When this thread gets to post #666 can I lock it? - I think it'd be cool! :D


You should wait to 666 X 93 = 61938

[krakhead]

You should wait to 666 X 93 = 61938

Oh good god no!:eek: It's dull enough with all the to-ing and fro-ing between camps as it is! ;)

[marpat]

Oh good god no!:eek: It's dull enough with all the to-ing and fro-ing between camps as it is! ;)


Dont worry Im sure I could liven things up

[krakhead]

Dont worry Im sure I could liven things up

Don't you fucking dare!

:p

[thirdwave]

TW....I resist conformity (even here, LOL):D


mm well there is a fine line between being ignorant and resisting conformity...

sometimes its good to conform along with a realisation... its what you are resisting and why and where you resist that all counts ;)

[thirdwave]

That is hilarious. You had to actually edit you post because you screwed up with the smileys. Rtard

If i met someone who winked, grinned three times and then had a look of shock on their face i would be a little worried about them :D

[eternal_spirit]

So what is satanic about invoking the Greek gods? that is the talk of a christian fundamentalist.

If they consented to do a homosexual ritual then so what. I think your problem is that you are a homophobe who believes that sexuality and religion/ magic should not exist together. This much is clear by your posts which only try to demonise everything that involves sex rituals.

According to some French occultist Christ was a semen eater. Also, in the Gospel of Judas Christ 'initiates' Judas into certain mysteries by taking him into his bed. Very homoerotic overtones dont you think.

LOL @ homophobe. I'm not partial to man sausage, but don't have a problem with those who are. Lucifer Greek God, top of the Illuminati pyramid and a deity to some Satanists. The Greek Elite practised sex with young boys, easy to find out just use a search engine.

Does the homo sexual degree in OTO designed by Crowley put the willies up you (literally and metaphorically :D) Guess you don't wanna do that Degree.

Jesus was gay rolf, maybe he swung both ways. I've been mistaken for one of his offspring (I used to have full beard and hair in the style of Jesus although Moses was another nickname people gave me)

The point of the post was more to do with the Communist connections, If Crowley was a double agent he played both sides same as his possible blood relative Vic Rothschild another double agent.

[runciter]

According to some French occultist Christ was a semen eater.


mmh.. it reminds me of the talmud.


Also, in the Gospel of Judas Christ 'initiates' Judas into certain mysteries


the gospel of judas, reliable source.

[thirdwave]

mmh.. it reminds me of the talmud.

lol, i wonder why!

[runciter]

lol, i wonder why!

from israel shahak's "jewish history, jewish religion"..

It must be admitted at the outset that the Talmud and the talmudic literature - quite apart from the general anti-Gentile streak that runs through them, which will be discussed in greater detail in Chapter 5 - contain very offensive statements and precepts directed specifically against Christianity. For example, in addition to a series of scurrilous sexual allegations against Jesus, the Talmud states that his punishment in hell is to be immersed in boiling excrement - a statement not exactly calculated to endear the Talmud to devout Christians. Or one can quote the precept according to which Jews are instructed to burn, publicly if possible, any copy of the New Testament that comes into their hands. (This is not only still in force but actually practiced today; thus on 23 March 1980 hundreds of copies of the New Testament were publicly and ceremonially burnt in Jerusalem under the auspices of Yad Le'akhim, a Jewish religious organization subs subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.)

http://www.radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm#2

[wisdomgirl]

This man was truely evil and admited much himself, how anyone can see anything human in him is beyond me but to each there own! In order to understand his sick thoughts you have to read his books in order to be able to discuss. I have read some of his books and have come to the conclustion that he was very much an evil sick person.

This man is a highly held person in the satanist arena and freemasonary!!

[thirdwave]

This man was truely evil and admited much himself, how anyone can see anything human in him is beyond me but to each there own! In order to understand his sick thoughts you have to read his books in order to be able to discuss. I have read some of his books and have come to the conclustion that he was very much an evil sick person.

This man is a highly held person in the satanist arena and freemasonary!!


each to their own indeed.... I dug much of Crowley's works. and my views on him match those of another person I dig.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B2C-u-F10v8


I would be interested to hear where he admitted to being evil?? ... my guess is a joke went over your head or you are referring to a poem, am I wrong?

[marpat]

This man was truely evil and admited much himself, how anyone can see anything human in him is beyond me but to each there own! In order to understand his sick thoughts you have to read his books in order to be able to discuss. I have read some of his books and have come to the conclustion that he was very much an evil sick person.

This man is a highly held person in the satanist arena and freemasonary!!

You into the David Wilcocks stuff? the Ra source that he channels was asked about Crowley and gave the information that Crowley is a positive entity who is undergoing a healing period within the earths inner levels. This is the same source that is behind all of Wilcocks works on 2012 ascension. If he was so evil then this high level source is obviously not seeing it.

[kasalt]

You into the David Wilcocks stuff? the Ra source that he channels was asked about Crowley and gave the information that Crowley is a positive entity who is undergoing a healing period within the earths inner levels.

This must be the third time you have cited David Wilcock on this thread as an apparent justification for Crowley. It seems to me like you are grasping at straws. You have looked into Wilcock's stuff yourself, so let's see what you've had to say about it in other threads:

Well this might be relevant if you just suck up what David Wilcock says. Personally I don't. Did you know he is supposed to be Edgar Cayces reincarnation? I got a book on EC's prophecies for the 21st century and it sounds nothing like what Wilcock is saying, even though the source is supposed to be the same.

I quite like the Edgar Cayce stuff but the Wilcock stuff just sounds too wierd. I thought a lot of the explanations for the reincarnation were a bit over done. They are completely different people when you look at their work and it is explained that he was 'configured' differently for this life, configured by the RA oversoul. Makes you think then is he just being used as a mouthpiece if they control how he will incarnate. The word configured is also a strange one to use, almost like saying programmed and then you have to ask if it is just a program then where is his free will if this oversoul has programmed him?
Just doesn't work for me. I am not sold on the photo similarity as well. I have been told I look like several famous people but does that mean we maybe have a common oversoul or what, I really doubt it.

Yes it does matter where he gets his info because he may have been misinformed or just wrong. Look at the work of David Wilcock and it becomes clear that he has used channeling at lot and that it is sometimes wrong or he has misinterepreted it.

These assessments of Wilcock seem balanced, IMO, so I'm not sure why you're wanting to use him as a source for Crowley in the first place. It looks to me like you are asking questions here that you have already answered elsewhere.

[lizzy]

This man was truely evil and admited much himself, how anyone can see anything human in him is beyond me but to each there own! In order to understand his sick thoughts you have to read his books in order to be able to discuss. I have read some of his books and have come to the conclustion that he was very much an evil sick person.

This man is a highly held person in the satanist arena and freemasonary!!

Yes wisdomgirl , i agree ;)
you will find many here who hold this sicko spy in great esteem....follow who they are and relate it to the fact that they NEVER post anything against the Freemason NWO.....( and never take their attacks personally, it's just their job (literally)..:D )

[boots]

This man was truely evil and admited much himself, how anyone can see anything human in him is beyond me but to each there own! In order to understand his sick thoughts you have to read his books in order to be able to discuss. I have read some of his books and have come to the conclustion that he was very much an evil sick person.

This man is a highly held person in the satanist arena and freemasonary!!


I agree with you wisdomgirl.

I would have to say that there are aspects of pagan/occult practices that can be of benefit to humans that have not grasped the ideology that we are individually magnificent beings capable of things greater than we can imagine.

How anyone can follow a person who is clearly of the rails. Is beyond me.


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[marpat]

This must be the third time you have cited David Wilcock on this thread as an apparent justification for Crowley. It seems to me like you are grasping at straws. You have looked into Wilcock's stuff yourself, so let's see what you've had to say about it in other threads:







These assessments of Wilcock seem balanced, IMO, so I'm not sure why you're wanting to use him as a source for Crowley in the first place. It looks to me like you are asking questions here that you have already answered elsewhere.


I mention it because so many people have a negative view. If the Ra source does not have a negative view then why would you? obviousy such a source is far more superconscious and enlightened than the likes of you.

[marpat]

Yes wisdomgirl , i agree ;)
you will find many here who hold this sicko spy in great esteem....follow who they are and relate it to the fact that they NEVER post anything against the Freemason NWO.....( and never take their attacks personally, it's just their job (literally)..:D )

You speak as if there is some obligation to condemn masons. Their behaviour in this forum is far more respectable than yours. Not everybody agrees with all the accusations that are made, some of which are pure stupidity.

[geronimo]

LOL @ homophobe. I'm not partial to man sausage, but don't have a problem with those who are. Lucifer Greek God, top of the Illuminati pyramid and a deity to some Satanists. The Greek Elite practised sex with young boys, easy to find out just use a search engine.

Does the homo sexual degree in OTO designed by Crowley put the willies up you (literally and metaphorically :D) Guess you don't wanna do that Degree.

Jesus was gay rolf, maybe he swung both ways. I've been mistaken for one of his offspring (I used to have full beard and hair in the style of Jesus although Moses was another nickname people gave me)

Jesus is a powerful archetypal symbol, in the sense of being both man and god, a bridge between two worlds. Did he actually exist? there is not a shred of evidence that he did. Does it matter? probably not. The symbol remains.

The point of the post was more to do with the Communist connections, If Crowley was a double agent he played both sides same as his possible blood relative Vic Rothschild another double agent.

Oh, he certainly was. Don't all the bloodline families play a similar duplicitous role? I think so. Take Henry Kissinger for example. Whether he is working for China, America, it makes no difference to him. These are just two sides to be played off against each other in the the game of Hegalian Dialectics that is constantly repeated. Communist, fascist, these are two points on a curve which bends to form a circle - created by the same people with the same global agenda.
Crowley worked for MI6 and was an occultist, suited them perfectly

geronimo

[marpat]

Oh, he certainly was. Don't all the bloodline families play a similar duplicitous role? I think so. Take Henry Kissinger for example. Whether he is working for China, America, it makes no difference to him. These are just two sides to be played off against each other in the the game of Hegalian Dialectics that is constantly repeated. Communist, fascist, these are two points on a curve which bends to form a circle - created by the same people with the same global agenda.
Crowley worked for MI6 and was an occultist, suited them perfectly

geronimo

But you are just speculating here, in line with the standard conspiracy theory model of the universe.

[kasalt]

I mention it because so many people have a negative view. If the Ra source does not have a negative view then why would you? obviousy such a source is far more superconscious and enlightened than the likes of you.

Who is "the Ra source"?

I don't consider having sex with goats, or killing cats and drinking their blood, or eating excrement, or crucifying toads to be either "superconscious" or "enlightened" activities:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

Do you? If so, you'd better get to it.

[runciter]

Who is "the Ra source"?

I don't consider having sex with goats, or killing cats and drinking their blood, or eating excrement, or crucifying toads to be either "superconscious" or "enlightened" activities:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

Do you? If so, you'd better get to it.

"superconscious" means "mind controlled" or "demon possessed".

[marpat]

Who is "the Ra source"?

I don't consider having sex with goats, or killing cats and drinking their blood, or eating excrement, or crucifying toads to be either "superconscious" or "enlightened" activities:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=499724#post499724

Do you? If so, you'd better get to it.

Maybe you should consider the man was pulling legs with some of the stories.

Did he ever have sex with a goat? I think that what you refer to is actually a complete falsification of something else.

I could explain many things to you but why bother? you are happy to cloth yourself in judgement and wrap yourself in a fluffy white robe of tree hugging niceness. People like you understand nothing about the perils of the path. You are so ignorant that to explain things would be a waste of time.

Funny that you dont know what the Ra source is when you have clearly trawled the Wilcocks thread to dredge up some of my posts. Does this mean you use things in posts that you know nothing of, making you no smarter than a parrot?

When I mention the superconcious I was referring to Ra, who is said to reside in the sixth dimension of consciousness.

I have read that the Dalai Lama lets his disciples eat his shit and that christ was a semen eater who practised homoerotic magic.

[marpat]

"superconscious" means "mind controlled" or "demon possessed".

You are stupid. Oh well you can remain with the closed minded people. How you come to that conclusion I'll never know but it proves that you are incapable of clear thinking.

[kasalt]

Did he ever have sex with a goat? I think that what you refer to is actually a complete falsification of something else.

That's odd. You had a completely different story to tell back on 16-09-2008:

The woman was supposed to have sex with the goat but it was not interested so Crowley had to do the sex bit himself.

Are you trying to delude me or are you just self-deluded? I've heard of the "left-hand path" before, but this is ridiculous. I suggest you take a right at the fork in the path ahead of you and vear closer to the middle.

I could explain many things to you but why bother? you are happy to cloth yourself in judgement and wrap yourself in a fluffy white robe of tree hugging niceness. People like you understand nothing about the perils of the path. You are so ignorant that to explain things would be a waste of time.

I'm not "judging" you, but I am entitled to express my opinions even if they differ from yours--or aren't I? Why should I judge you? I don't know you from Adam. Any choices you make in your life are no skin off my nose. In any event, why should my "judgements" concern you so much? If I'm wrong, laugh it off and carry on. Of course, I realize that's a big "if".

Funny that you dont know what the Ra source is when you have clearly trawled the Wilcocks thread to dredge up some of my posts. Does this mean you use things in posts that you know nothing of, making you no smarter than a parrot?

I was doing an unrelated search of the forum when I stumbled across your posts dissing Wilcock's material in past threads, and then I remembered that you are using Wilcock's material to support Crowley on this one. The irony was not lost on me, and I thought it was just too rich not to point that out.

When I mention the superconcious I was referring to Ra, who is said to reside in the sixth dimension of consciousness.

Great, I'll look forward to meeting him next time I'm there. Perhaps we could go together?

I have read that the Dalai Lama lets his disciples eat his shit and that christ was a semen eater who practised homoerotic magic.

So what? I've read a lot of stupid shit in my time, too.

[runciter]

You are stupid. Oh well you can remain with the closed minded people.


yeah, open your mind to alien possession and you'll get your enlightenment.

[marpat]

yeah, open your mind to alien possession and you'll get your enlightenment.

Lol, what else can I say.

[marpat]

That's odd. You had a completely different story to tell back on 16-09-2008:



Are you trying to delude me or are you just self-deluded? I've heard of the "left-hand path" before, but this is ridiculous. I suggest you take a right at the fork in the path ahead of you and vear closer to the middle.



I'm not "judging" you, but I am entitled to express my opinions even if they differ from yours--or aren't I? Why should I judge you? I don't know you from Adam. Any choices you make in your life are no skin off my nose. In any event, why should my "judgements" concern you so much? If I'm wrong, laugh it off and carry on. Of course, I realize that's a big "if".



I was doing an unrelated search of the forum when I stumbled across your posts dissing Wilcock's material in past threads, and then I remembered that you are using Wilcock's material to support Crowley on this one. The irony was not lost on me, and I thought it was just too rich not to point that out.



Great, I'll look forward to meeting him next time I'm there. Perhaps we could go together?



So what? I've read a lot of stupid shit in my time, too.

There is a story where a goat was suppsoed to have sex with a female in a ritual but the goat was not interested so Crowley had to shag the woman himself. Well this does not sound like anybody had sex with a goat does it. You also have to ask yourself if this story was just meant to piss people off, after all it was the sort of thing that was expected of him by society at that time so he just fed them stories to piss them off.

All you have done is to follow the status quo on Crowley, that because some people said he is bad that he is. Do you show the same sort of blind belief in the mainstream media? what would you say if peole started saying Ickes theories are not valid because he was a raging alcoholic when he was writing them down? would you question that?

How do you know the info about christ is not valid? part of that idea comes from the gospel of Judas, where Judas is invited to christs bed to be inititaed into some mystery.


Open your mind man instead of limiting yourself to the beliefs of a few biased people

[runciter]

Lol, what else can I say.

you can evoke your favorite entity and make it speak for you.

[marpat]

you can evoke your favorite entity and make it speak for you.

Looks like its working as you cannot resist responding to my will.

[runciter]

Looks like its working as you cannot resist responding to my will.

i respond to your posts, not to your will..

[marpat]

i respond to your posts, not to your will..

I guess I was wrong anyway. You said invoke my favourite entity whereas you are a non-entity.

[amandaooo]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TSDeoO-j3G0&feature=related

[eternal_spirit]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TSDeoO-j3G0&feature=related
:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Back on topic

So, if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.

[eternal_spirit]

Well there you go folks, took me ages to figure this one out. Guess all the OTO and AA etc people here won't buy into it.

[marpat]

Back on topic

So, if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.


How many times have we covered this? the fact is you want to believe it is literal. You wish to believe that then fine but it changes nothing. No thelemites think such a thing happened and none would do it. It is actually contrary to the thelemic philosophy. If we all have our own will which each of us should respect then how can you condone taking the life of somebody in such a way?

Do you think that he would write down in a diary that he would do this knowing that it would carry a death sentence?

How many times have you looked to post negative material against Crowley but you completely ignore anything positive that has been posted? then again what is the point of debating with somebody who sees only what they wish to. Blinded by your dabbling in magic I think.

We all know that what he writes about is an autoerotic ritual in which the sacrificed child is the sperm that has not fertilised the ovum. Get over it will you, the man is dead.

On another note pertinant to this thread I bought a book that supposedly discusses Crowley being in MI5. It was said to contain all sorts of archive stuff but when you read it the writer is just making assumptions. One example is that Crowley went to Russia at some point and then the author tries to say that he would have been ideally placed to do some spying. Hardly compelling evidence is it? also, Crowley wrote of Churchill in one of his books or letters so the author uses this as proof that there must have been a link between them, not just that he may have been commenting on the national leader back then. What a waste of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marpat]

Well there you go folks, took me ages to figure this one out. Guess all the OTO and AA etc people here won't buy into it.

The fact that it took you ages to notice that means you are quite stupid. Every person who reads Crowleys work knows these things. You are hardly exposing some deep conspiracy, just making yourself look retarded.

When you dabbled in magic and got attacked by those spirits what particular type of magic where you dabbling with?

Here is a link to free ebooks by Crowley. This will enable people to actually read his works without having to listen to blind_spirit

http://www.occult-underground.com/crowley.html

[mondo23]

Back on topic

So, if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that 2 pages on from that qoute in Magick in Theory and Practice it is explained in simple terms. This qoute was actually brought up in a court case and Crowley explained it. The whole thing was cleared up when the dude was alive. I will provide the qoute that is 2 pages on but first I gotta go do Resh. Its coming up to midday. ;)

[mondo23]

eternal_spirit, the footnote you qouted was not qouted in its entirety. It seems some people tend to do this to back up their flimsy claims but often fail to qoute the entire text where Crowley explains what he means:


Footnote 4 pg 95-96 Magick in Theory and Practice

It appears from the magickal records of Frater Purdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928. Contrast J K Huyman's "Labas" where a perverted form of Magick of an analogous order is described.
'It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power.'
This initiated interpretation of the texts was sent spontaneously by Soror I.W.E for the sake of younger Brethren.

Also:

Qouted from Pedurabo, The Life of Aleister Crowley by Richard Kaczynski Chapter 19 The Black Magic Libel Case pg 385.

This is in reference to a court case in which AC took a publisher to court (Crowley vs Constable and Co.) with accusations of libel against him:

'Hilbery (defense) asked pointedly "Do you believe in the practice of bloody sacrifice?"
Crowley, "I believe in its efficacy."
"If you believe in its efficacy, you would believe in its being practiced?"
Crowley scowled, "I do not approve at all."
"Do not approve of it?" Referring to page 96 of Crowleys Magick in Theory and Practice, he read:

'Those magicians who object to the use of blood have endeavoured to replace it with incense. For such a purpose the incense of Abramelin may be burnt in large quantities. Dittany of Crete is also a valuable medium...But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is most efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.'

From page 95 of the same book, Hilbery read:

'For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greaest and purest forcce. A male child of perfect innocence and intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.'

A footnote which accompanied this text read, 'It appears from the magickal records of Frater Purdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.'

'Crowley argued that the passages were historical statements about ancient practices, and not meant seriously. What Crowley would not admit was that they were entirely allegorical. "Sacrifice" meant to "make sacred", and to him, symbolized the most sacred of all acts: Sex. He referred not to the sacrifice of a life, but the making sacred of the "elixir" or combined sexual fluids of man and woman.'

Any Thelemite with any intelligence knows that is what he meant as Crowley wrote about this practice many times, but always covered with allegory. Alot of Crowleys writings were peppered with allegory and thats why when studying his work you have to read between the lines or you just wont get it.
Also to openly write about such things as sex or 'combining sexual fluids' for magickal purposes wouldve landed anyone in big trouble back then. So why did AC use the analogy of human sacrifice to mean sex magick? Well for a start the practice of sex magick was reserved for those initiates who were ready to know the secret. It was/is given to those that reach the ix degree of OTO. Its a secret and not available to those that are not ready to understand it. Also, human sacrifice was practiced in ancient times as we all know and as AC also knew but he did not, and he said this many times over, approve of such things, or Black Magick, or Satanism which he considered, 'spiritually debasing, backward, childish.'
Satanism is a Christian invention and as AC was first and foremost Atheist he saw satanism as a fraud thought up by the church to label those who practiced the old 'religion' as worshipping evil forces. When you approach occultism, magick etc intelligently and objectively its easy to see the conspiracy that has been waged against the 'common man' that practices the old ways.

[marpat]

Mondo, you waste you time giving pearls to the swine.

What ES doesnt tell you is that his anti-occult stance is due to his dabbling in magic which caused him to be harrassed by spirits, which he then had to use banishing magic to get rid of.

[eternal_spirit]

Mondo, you waste you time giving pearls to the swine.

What ES doesnt tell you is that his anti-occult stance is due to his dabbling in magic which caused him to be harrassed by spirits, which he then had to use banishing magic to get rid of.

What makes you think I'm anti occult, you should know me better than that.
LOl not this old chestnut how many time have we been through this.

Besides you're always trying to make out there are no spirits or demons etc and they are symbolic and part of your psyche/mind/conciousness, not an external forcce (spirits/entities)

Only when you bring up this old chestnut do you then harp on about spirits being an external entity/reality outside of your own psyche/mind.

[mondo23]

What makes you think I'm anti occult, you should know me better than that.
LOl not this old chestnut how many time have we been through this.

Besides you're always trying to make out there are no spirits or demons etc and they are symbolic and part of your psyche/mind/conciousness, not an external forcce (spirits/entities)

Only when you bring up this old chestnut do you then harp on about spirits being an external entity/reality outside of your own psyche/mind.

There may be no 'external' entities/realities. Everything may be a part of everything else. So those demons, those angels or however you choose to interpret them may be of us and we of them. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. That goes for ALL of consciousness EVERYWHERE not just on this tiny ball of a planet.
ES, you may have had bad experiences with entities but MY interpretation is that you invoked what is already in you, in all of us. It may not be seperate from you.
The universe likes to play with form and it takes infinite form.

[dawnismygoddess]

I read somewhere that he just received the degree because he "knew all the secrets" or something like that.

[eternal_spirit]

Dawn I think it maybe to do with him being of a certain bloodline. I don't know if his family/ancestors where involved in Freemasonry but if they were then inter-generational Masons their off spring are allowed to enter side Lodges and higher degrees.

Some men are introduced by other Masons to women who they marry, who's family are inter-generational Masons to keep the bloodlines going.
Third generation Masons are allowed to get to the top levels.

[eternal_spirit]

Mondo I don't follow the logic of your counter argument, to me it doesn't explain a viable alternative version of events. It's true AC used allegory at times to explain things, but in this case I don't think he was.

[mondo23]

Mondo I don't follow the logic of your counter argument, to me it doesn't explain a viable alternative version of events. It's true AC used allegory at times to explain things, but in this case I don't think he was.

Thats your choice. You've made up your mind, formed a rigid belief system and wont budge an inch even if your given evidence that goes against your claim.
Thats ok though, because alot of people are happy in their reality tunnels and dont want to move out of them or even test out other potential reality tunnels.

[soulja]

Thats your choice. You've made up your mind, formed a rigid belief system and wont budge an inch even if your given evidence that goes against your claim.
Thats ok though, because alot of people are happy in their reality tunnels and dont want to move out of them or even test out other potential reality tunnels.

you know what's funny ?

excately the same could be said about you (in this debate)

haven't seen you budge an inch even when given evidence against your claim either.

[eternal_spirit]

Wouldn't expect anything else from a fully paid up Thelemite. The brainwashing runs deep. My post is based on sound logic. The same cannot be said for Mondos.
But that's also his choice to believe in something based on faulty logic.


Funny how I'm now accused of being stuck in some kind of tunnel. It's the expected response, so it is nothing new

[mondo23]

you know what's funny ?

excately the same could be said about you (in this debate)

haven't seen you budge an inch even when given evidence against your claim either.

Youre wrong actually. I was merely presenting information that ES was not aware of. Im not trying to defend my belief system on here. Thats not my intention at all. In fact, Ive not presented my actual bs on here at all.
Notice how I say 'maybe' alot.

[mondo23]

Wouldn't expect anything else from a fully paid up Thelemite. The brainwashing runs deep. My post is based on sound logic. The same cannot be said for Mondos.
But that's also his choice to believe in something based on faulty logic.


Funny how I'm now accused of being stuck in some kind of tunnel. It's the expected response, so it is nothing new

Did you actually read the qoutes I presented to you?
Its ok. Im not going to get into this argument. I have better things to do with my energy.
All the best.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes Mondo I replied earlier.

I'm not here to have a go at anyone who finds parts of Crowley's ideas useful etc, or that they are all bad people, I don't think they are.

Peace.

[thelonious]

Yes Mondo I replied earlier.

I'm not here to have a go at anyone who finds parts of Crowley's ideas useful etc, or that they are all bad people, I don't think they are.

Peace.

It's important to remember that Crowley's primary philosophy is that the meaning of life is to be found in the metaphysical "higher will", which was drive that caused us to incarnate as humans. When we follow the higher will, everything is smooth and easy. But when we ignore the higher will and follow the will of the ego, we soon find ourselves in trouble.

This seems pretty reasonable to me, and one could argue that Crowley's big problem was that he was often unable to overcome the false will of the ego himself, even though he knew better from an intellectual standpoint. This is in fact the problem with most humans: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53929

Crowley's influence on Hubbard

[thirdwave]

It's important to remember that Crowley's primary philosophy is that the meaning of life is to be found in the metaphysical "higher will", which was drive that caused us to incarnate as humans. When we follow the higher will, everything is smooth and easy. But when we ignore the higher will and follow the will of the ego, we soon find ourselves in trouble.

This seems pretty reasonable to me, and one could argue that Crowley's big problem was that he was often unable to overcome the false will of the ego himself, even though he knew better from an intellectual standpoint. This is in fact the problem with most humans: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

very true.

[runciter]

is it will? i think it's a misleading antropomorphic view.

[thirdwave]

is it will? i think it's a misleading antropomorphic view.

ok, define will.

[runciter]

will is personal, life force is apersonal.

[kasalt]

The following is excerpted from a letter from Crowley to an American lieutenant during World War II:
We live in a time of insane excitement; we count that day lost when
less than 50,000 harmless people have met with death in its most horrible forms,
and even that is rather homely fare; plentiful sauce of rape, torture,
and cold-blooded murders on the largest scale must be poured over the dish to make is truly
piquant, and send us to bed, patting our stomachs, with the reflection that
life need not be dull and monotonous, after all. What use is it to go to
wild-eyed youths, whose jaws drip foam with the hunger to join personally
in these pastimes, and pep them up, youths who are permanently drunk with
lust of blood, and action-action-action even-more-action! ...
What you must do is to enflame them with the romance of the Order and its
Work, with the Marvel-Story of the "Cairo Working" as told in The Equinox
of the Gods, instill the idea of the New Aeon, the coming of the Crowned
and Conquering Child, the birth of Freedom as outlined in Liber OZ
(LXXVII), the plan of the Master Therion to bring about the revolution by
the 4 wars started 9 months after the 4 publications of Liber AL, and the
need for each one of them to go forth and smite and establish the Law. You
have got to imbue them with the fanatical berserk, amok, Airman, Commando
spirit. You have got to work them up to be heroes and martyrs, each man
himself a leader, yet able to devote himself to conjoint disciplined
action. You have got to make each man and woman feel himself (or herself)
an individual Godhead, of supreme importance not only intrinsically but to
the whole world.
"Pioneers, o Pioneers!"
Source: http://www.textfiles.com/occult/OTO/breezeprn.occ

[marpat]

Wouldn't expect anything else from a fully paid up Thelemite. The brainwashing runs deep. My post is based on sound logic. The same cannot be said for Mondos.
But that's also his choice to believe in something based on faulty logic.


Funny how I'm now accused of being stuck in some kind of tunnel. It's the expected response, so it is nothing new

You posts are not based on logic. How many time has material been put to you but you never read it. I have asked you to look at various things, given you links but you never manage to comment on the stuff I ask you to look at. Instead you prefer to parrot the negative opinions of other people who also know little if anything.

I think your stance is not only shows the depth of your catholic brainwashing from your childhood but a reaction to the negative results you dabbling caused.

[eternal_spirit]

Blimey more proof cheers Kasalt.

[marpat]

will is personal, life force is apersonal.

So you are saying it is wrong for people to have their own will, the power to chose for themselves? you constantly criticise the works of crowley because it is based on the individual finding their true will but this must mean that you do not wish people to find that. Perhaps you want them to bend their wills to your own god.

[eternal_spirit]

I think your stance is not only shows the depth of your catholic brainwashing from your childhood but a reaction to the negative results you dabbling caused.
Got any newer jokes?:D

[marpat]

Got any newer jokes?:D

The old ones are the best.

[eternal_spirit]

So you are saying it is wrong for people to have their own will, the power to chose for themselves? you constantly criticise the works of crowley because it is based on the individual finding their true will but this must mean that you do not wish people to find that. Perhaps you want them to bend their wills to your own god.
How many times (one more) you're following his intructions rituals teachings etc, giving your mind over to his ideas which you think because he and others told you that follow their path/instructions will help you find your own will.

Not that different from following the Bible or any religion is it. Faith based and beliefs with instructions to enlightenment.

[marpat]

Blimey more proof cheers Kasalt.

Proof of what?

[marpat]

How many times (one more) you're following his intructions rituals teachings etc, giving your mind over to his ideas which you think because he and others told you that follow their path/instructions will help you find your own will.

Not that different from following the Bible or any religion is it. Faith based and beliefs with instructions to enlightenment.

But how can you find you will if you are just following anothers words? that doesnt work does it. His works are useful for pointers and that is it. There is no requirement to accept his words and ideas as rigid facts.

[eternal_spirit]

But how can you find you will if you are just following anothers words? that doesnt work does it. His works are useful for pointers and that is it. There is no requirement to accept his words and ideas as rigid facts.

Fair enough if you feel it helps you on your path.

[eternal_spirit]

Proof of what?
Well seems like he's glorifying war death etc and his connections.

[marpat]

Well seems like he's glorifying war death etc and his connections.

Not really. Crowley believed that the passing into the new aeon would be a period of immense turmoil and bloodshed. He thought both world wars were a sign of this passing and that the bloodshed would occur as the patterns of the old ways died and were replaced with the new aeon conepts. Although he does sound a bit indifferent about it we have to understand that, not being a soldier on the frontline, he would not have any real clue as to what it was like. Look at all the peotry that seems to glorify war, written by people who are safe in their own homes. He would feel that he was connected to these events if he thought that they were part of the transition that he was apparently the medium for. Even christ came with a sword.

If we are eternal beings then death is just a break between incarnations and an illusion in itself.

[kasalt]

Crowley believed that the passing into the new aeon would be a period of immense turmoil and bloodshed. He thought both world wars were a sign of this passing and that the bloodshed would occur as the patterns of the old ways died and were replaced with the new aeon conepts. He...thought that they were part of the transition that he was apparently the medium for.

And I'd say he was about as wrong as a jackass could be, wouldn't you? At least, if the history of the world since WWII is any indication. What are these "new aeon concepts" you refer to, and where in the world have they been put into practice?

[eternal_spirit]

Seems he may have really believed the info from the channelled messages about the new Aeon.

It's a bit like the age of kali in Hinduism. Or the fall of man in the bible. Buddhism cycles of golden then dark ages and in betweens, they even have manus (demi Gods) that represent Golden or dark ages.

But logically that's a scary concept, if people believe the demi gods and natural cycles of time are in control and we have to go through bad times (dark ages) to come into the light, golden ages or New Aeon etc, then it can justify for some death and suffering for what they believe is a greater purpose.

[thirdwave]

What are these "new aeon concepts" you refer to, and where in the world have they been put into practice?

go and read one of his books...

[kasalt]

go and read one of his books...

Well I'm reading what he wrote here, and I don't much like what I see:
We live in a time of insane excitement; we count that day lost when
less than 50,000 harmless people have met with death in its most horrible forms,
and even that is rather homely fare; plentiful sauce of rape, torture,
and cold-blooded murders on the largest scale must be poured over the dish to make is truly
piquant, and send us to bed, patting our stomachs, with the reflection that
life need not be dull and monotonous, after all. What use is it to go to
wild-eyed youths, whose jaws drip foam with the hunger to join personally
in these pastimes, and pep them up, youths who are permanently drunk with
lust of blood, and action-action-action even-more-action! ...
What you must do is to enflame them with the romance of the Order and its
Work, with the Marvel-Story of the "Cairo Working" as told in The Equinox
of the Gods, instill the idea of the New Aeon, the coming of the Crowned
and Conquering Child, the birth of Freedom as outlined in Liber OZ
(LXXVII), the plan of the Master Therion to bring about the revolution by
the 4 wars started 9 months after the 4 publications of Liber AL, and the
need for each one of them to go forth and smite and establish the Law. You
have got to imbue them with the fanatical berserk, amok, Airman, Commando
spirit. You have got to work them up to be heroes and martyrs, each man
himself a leader, yet able to devote himself to conjoint disciplined
action. You have got to make each man and woman feel himself (or herself)
an individual Godhead, of supreme importance not only intrinsically but to
the whole world.
"Pioneers, o Pioneers!"
Source: http://www.textfiles.com/occult/OTO/breezeprn.occ

[marpat]

And I'd say he was about as wrong as a jackass could be, wouldn't you? At least, if the history of the world since WWII is any indication. What are these "new aeon concepts" you refer to, and where in the world have they been put into practice?

Well if you actually read his material rather than criticising it you might find out for yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you.

[marpat]

Well I'm reading what he wrote here, and I don't much like what I see:
We live in a time of insane excitement; we count that day lost when
less than 50,000 harmless people have met with death in its most horrible forms,
and even that is rather homely fare; plentiful sauce of rape, torture,
and cold-blooded murders on the largest scale must be poured over the dish to make is truly
piquant, and send us to bed, patting our stomachs, with the reflection that
life need not be dull and monotonous, after all. What use is it to go to
wild-eyed youths, whose jaws drip foam with the hunger to join personally
in these pastimes, and pep them up, youths who are permanently drunk with
lust of blood, and action-action-action even-more-action! ...
What you must do is to enflame them with the romance of the Order and its
Work, with the Marvel-Story of the "Cairo Working" as told in The Equinox
of the Gods, instill the idea of the New Aeon, the coming of the Crowned
and Conquering Child, the birth of Freedom as outlined in Liber OZ
(LXXVII), the plan of the Master Therion to bring about the revolution by
the 4 wars started 9 months after the 4 publications of Liber AL, and the
need for each one of them to go forth and smite and establish the Law. You
have got to imbue them with the fanatical berserk, amok, Airman, Commando
spirit. You have got to work them up to be heroes and martyrs, each man
himself a leader, yet able to devote himself to conjoint disciplined
action. You have got to make each man and woman feel himself (or herself)
an individual Godhead, of supreme importance not only intrinsically but to
the whole world.
"Pioneers, o Pioneers!"
Source: http://www.textfiles.com/occult/OTO/breezeprn.occ

Wow, you seem incapable of getting beyond this even though you dont really know what he is saying and are not interested in anything other than you own version of events.

Try reading Liber Oz for a start if you can be arsed.

[thirdwave]

Well I'm reading what he wrote here, and I don't much like what I see:
We live in a time of insane excitement; we count that day lost when
less than 50,000 harmless people have met with death in its most horrible forms,
and even that is rather homely fare; plentiful sauce of rape, torture,
and cold-blooded murders on the largest scale must be poured over the dish to make is truly
piquant, and send us to bed, patting our stomachs, with the reflection that
life need not be dull and monotonous, after all. What use is it to go to
wild-eyed youths, whose jaws drip foam with the hunger to join personally
in these pastimes, and pep them up, youths who are permanently drunk with
lust of blood, and action-action-action even-more-action! ...
What you must do is to enflame them with the romance of the Order and its
Work, with the Marvel-Story of the "Cairo Working" as told in The Equinox
of the Gods, instill the idea of the New Aeon, the coming of the Crowned
and Conquering Child, the birth of Freedom as outlined in Liber OZ
(LXXVII), the plan of the Master Therion to bring about the revolution by
the 4 wars started 9 months after the 4 publications of Liber AL, and the
need for each one of them to go forth and smite and establish the Law. You
have got to imbue them with the fanatical berserk, amok, Airman, Commando
spirit. You have got to work them up to be heroes and martyrs, each man
himself a leader, yet able to devote himself to conjoint disciplined
action. You have got to make each man and woman feel himself (or herself)
an individual Godhead, of supreme importance not only intrinsically but to
the whole world.
"Pioneers, o Pioneers!"
Source: http://www.textfiles.com/occult/OTO/breezeprn.occ


What is he saying here do you think... whats your take on it?

[kasalt]

Crowley believed that the passing into the new aeon would be a period of immense turmoil and bloodshed. He thought both world wars were a sign of this passing and that the bloodshed would occur as the patterns of the old ways died and were replaced with the new aeon conepts....he thought that they were part of the transition that he was apparently the medium for.

My point is that what Crowley thought was a load of rubbish. Surely you have to laugh at the brazen egocentric foolishness of the man who thought he was "the medium" for a "transition" from "old ways" to "new aeon concepts" when history has proven that he obviously wasn't, and you've been duped.

I find that a large percentage of people on this forum are utterly blind followers of someone or something, and the mentality is the same whether the one being followed is Eric Jon Phelps, or the Dalai Lama, or Crowley, or the Zeitgeist film, or whatever. These blind followers are seemingly incapable of seeing the facts due to the propaganda which favours the ones they quite blindly follow. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. It's incredible!

[thirdwave]

My point is that what Crowley thought was a load of rubbish. Surely you have to laugh at the brazen egocentric foolishness of the man who thought he was "the medium" for a "transition" from "old ways" to "new aeon concepts" when history has proven that he obviously wasn't, and you've been duped.

I find that a large percentage of people on this forum are utterly blind followers of someone or something, and the mentality is the same whether the one being followed is Eric Jon Phelps, or the Dalai Lama, or Crowley, or the Zeitgeist film, or whatever. These blind followers are seemingly incapable of seeing the facts due to the propaganda which favours the ones they quite blindly follow. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. It's incredible!

on the other side of the coin you could say that there are a good few here who also seem to want to scoff at or smear any source of relevant and interesting information, without even expressing the slightest bit of understanding of them.... :)

[kasalt]

Well if you actually read his material rather than criticising it you might find out for yourself. I am not going to spoon feed you.

My question was rhetorical.

[marpat]

My point is that what Crowley thought was a load of rubbish. Surely you have to laugh at the brazen egocentric foolishness of the man who thought he was "the medium" for a "transition" from "old ways" to "new aeon concepts" when history has proven that he obviously wasn't, and you've been duped.

I find that a large percentage of people on this forum are utterly blind followers of someone or something, and the mentality is the same whether the one being followed is Eric Jon Phelps, or the Dalai Lama, or Crowley, or the Zeitgeist film, or whatever. These blind followers are seemingly incapable of seeing the facts due to the propaganda which favours the ones they quite blindly follow. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. It's incredible!

I laugh more at people who have never read any of his works yet feel qualified to condemn his work. Liking somebodies work does not necessarily make them a follower, something you should perhaps consider.

I think you are the one who has been duped. You are clearly incapable of making the decision for yourself and just parrot the condemnation that others have spouted before you.

[eternal_spirit]

I find that a large percentage of people on this forum are utterly blind followers of someone or something, and the mentality is the same whether the one being followed is Eric Jon Phelps, or the Dalai Lama, or Crowley, or the Zeitgeist film, or whatever. These blind followers are seemingly incapable of seeing the facts due to the propaganda which favours the ones they quite blindly follow. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. It's incredible!
Marpat take out the word Crowley and I think you'd agree.

[marpat]

Marpat take out the word Crowley and I think you'd agree.

To some degree yes. The trouble is that many dont even read his work but are happy to cast judgement. I also stand by my statement that liking a persons work does not make them a follower. A follower is somebody who chooses to stick to the ideas of a person rather than just considering them.

[montyone]

i think eternalspirit makes throughout this discussion quite thoughtfull
statements and does not seem to be biased or quick on judgement . Also he (she) seems to be quite patient and does not give up easy - my impression from reading your exchange.
That people should be open and give wide variety of ideas at least some chance is true.
Reading Crowleys complete work is not necessary but i read parts written by/about .

Excerpts I read made a point in showing he was into sacrifice (little boy top-notch to slaughter as far as i remember ), abused ( his ) kids sexually and other ways not shy of acting beyond perverted and disgusting. Women falling in love with him ( lol ) started out emotionally challenged with spirit already diminished by prior relationships
/ family , after their encounter with Crowley many wound up nuts.

All that creepy pervert / "torture your daughter" stuff is not my cup of tea and his findings can't be that inspiring since he is such a rambling piece of wild- eyed old fart shit ( allegedly ).

[marpat]

i think eternalspirit makes throughout this discussion quite thoughtfull
statements and does not seem to be biased or quick on judgement . Also he (she) seems to be quite patient and does not give up easy - my impression from reading your exchange.
That people should be open and give wide variety of ideas at least some chance is true.
Reading Crowleys complete work is not necessary but i read parts written by/about .

Excerpts I read made a point in showing he was into sacrifice (little boy top-notch to slaughter as far as i remember ), abused ( his ) kids sexually and other ways not shy of acting beyond perverted and disgusting. Women falling in love with him ( lol ) started out emotionally challenged with spirit already diminished by prior relationships
/ family , after their encounter with Crowley many wound up nuts.

All that creepy pervert / "torture your daughter" stuff is not my cup of tea and his findings can't be that inspiring since he is such a rambling piece of wild- eyed old fart shit ( allegedly ).

But a lot of the claims made against him are the work of the establishment, who did not like him.

Can you back up your posts with something of substance or is this just going to be another 'I read about it somehwere' post? many women with everyday partners turn out to be nuts. Obviously he attracted a certain type of character and maybe that just made them that bit more whacky rather than turning out bad because of him.

You assessment of ES is very wrong. How can a person be thoughful when they only condemn and criticise without ever reading the material produced by the man? Crowley was not perfect by any standards but if you ever read his material you will find that he is pretty honest about his own failings, a lot more honest than some spiritual teachers who seem to think that they dont even own an anus or do anything unpleasant.

A lot of what people take from Crowleys work are reflections of their own thought processes.

[thirdwave]

many women with everyday partners turn out to be nuts. Obviously he attracted a certain type of character and maybe that just made them that bit more whacky rather than turning out bad because of him.

although montyone is simply promoting crap..

I think the stuff about Crowleys wife going into one and so on is pretty true.. However it is not the first time people have been exposed to magick and lost it... Crowley was deeply into it and if his wife was not quite ready to get so deep then this could easily explain why... its a bit like when some people open their kundalini... it can send em round the bend if they are not prepared..

also I don't think Crowley was wonderful to live with.

[asha loka]

We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world - Liber AL II.21

Crowley? Lovely man. Can't see why anyone would have a problem with him.

[marpat]

Crowley? Lovely man. Can't see why anyone would have a problem with him.

Might help if you knew the significance of that statement. What about 'love is the law' and also 'the law is for all'? what about 'every man and every woman is a star'?

The problem is that people read something like that and because their minds are so dull and shallow they fail to penetrate the significance of such statements. I could highlight many aspects which prove that Liber Al is not about destroying people.

Try reading the books and trying to understand things rather than having some juvenile emotional reaction to something that you are unaware of.

[solarwindspirit]

Might help if you knew the significance of that statement. What about 'love is the law' and also 'the law is for all'? what about 'every man and every woman is a star'?

The problem is that people read something like that and because their minds are so dull and shallow they fail to penetrate the significance of such statements. I could highlight many aspects which prove that Liber Al is not about destroying people.

Try reading the books and trying to understand things rather than having some juvenile emotional reaction to something that you are unaware of.

trash . . .as if it is written in a 'book' by a name of crowley
it even sounds like something that scribbles by day
and makes chaos by nite

[1977]

Might help if you knew the significance of that statement. What about 'love is the law' and also 'the law is for all'? what about 'every man and every woman is a star'?

The problem is that people read something like that and because their minds are so dull and shallow they fail to penetrate the significance of such statements. I could highlight many aspects which prove that Liber Al is not about destroying people.
For interpretation, I can defer to no greater authority than Crowley himself in Magick Without Tears (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/mwt/mwt_48.html):

The Book announces a new dichotomy in human society; there is the master and there is the slave; the noble and the serf; the "lone wolf" and the herd.*

* The "Master" roughly denotes the able, the adventurous, welcoming responsibility. The "slave:" his motto is "Safety first," with all that this implies. Race, birth, breeding etc. are important but not absolutely essential factors.
[. . .]
"The Book of the Law takes us back to primitive savagery," you say. Well, where are we?

We're at Guernica, Lidice, Oradour-sur-Glane, Rotterdam and hundreds of other crimes, to say nothing of Concentration-camp, Stalag, and a million lesser horrors and abominations, inconceivable by the most diseased and inflamed Sadistic imagination forty years ago.

You disagree with Aiwass—so do all of us. The trouble is that He can say: "But I'm not arguing; I'm telling you."

But this thread is too long already.

[thirdwave]

Might help if you knew the significance of that statement. What about 'love is the law' and also 'the law is for all'? what about 'every man and every woman is a star'?

The problem is that people read something like that and because their minds are so dull and shallow they fail to penetrate the significance of such statements. I could highlight many aspects which prove that Liber Al is not about destroying people.

Try reading the books and trying to understand things rather than having some juvenile emotional reaction to something that you are unaware of.


Yes for example he would have called the idiots that practice human sacrifice as wretched & weak....

But most of all the way he puts that to me simply means that to educate people you must stamp down the wretched & the weak... turn a nun into a rock chick... so on....

people are stupid and don't want to get it...

[thirdwave]

i think eternalspirit makes throughout this discussion quite thoughtfull
statements and does not seem to be biased or quick on judgement . Also he (she) seems to be quite patient and does not give up easy - my impression from reading your exchange.


your post count shows you are new, ES has in the past here launched huge campaigns against the guy at times appearing obsessed with labelling him as total filth and evil....

he does have a habit of mood swings....

He is FAR from unbiased on this stuff, if his post count still has some old threads stored you can go have a look...

[thirdwave]

trash . . .as if it is written in a 'book' by a name of crowley
it even sounds like something that scribbles by day
and makes chaos by nite

I think it was meant to create a little chaos.

[philidor]

I say just declare Crowley the anti-Christ already. Even if he was in actuality simply a mentally ill person with mental disabilities, possibly schizophrenic, definitely delusional.

He was not a Freemason and I can prove this fact:

The Freemasons have a screening process, and someone as nuts as Crowley wouldn't make the cut.

Can you imagine such greats as George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and other famous Freemasons (they were also devout Christians) being in the same catagory as Crowley? Although the Washington slaughters of the Iroquois aren't what I would call moral.

[desdemona]

Hi Eternal,

Thanks for all your truth, documented info... I'm a newbie, but before I registered in the forum, I've read almost all your posts and threads.. especially satanic cult and religion.
You seem to be bright, and definitely not brainwashed..
I'm a Portuguese (Tomar) Psychologist. Pardon my English..

Now I'm reading Tim Rifat, new thread on the satanic.. Shatering information this Sir has...just like cooper, Springmeier, arthur Lyons, John Todd and Ric Clay...

I have some interesting stuff too, and I would like you to take a look and explore my collection...

By the way Reiki is satanic in it's core origins.
And yes, I don't trust in Jews either.

I'm a lonely one too.

[zyphus]

Has anyone mentioned Alan Bennett yet?

[thirdwave]

Hi Eternal,

Thanks for all your truth, documented info... I'm a newbie, but before I registered in the forum, I've read almost all your posts and threads.. especially satanic cult and religion.
You seem to be bright, and definitely not brainwashed..

Are you being sarcastic ?

[desdemona]

Definitely not.
All these horrific things are hapenning right now.
Pardon my English.

[thirdwave]

Definitely not.
All these horrific things are hapenning right now.
Pardon my English.

English is fine.

Do you think any good things are going on?

[desdemona]

Yes, of course.

The work of David Icke, despite the New Age Stuff. The work of Tim Rifat, and Jay Weidner.

And the work of Jane Burgermeister .

And the work of Eternal Spirit.

[thirdwave]

Yes, of course.

The work of David Icke, despite the New Age Stuff. The work of Tim Rifat, and Jay Weidner.

And the work of Jane Burgermeister .

And the work of Eternal Spirit.

New age stuff has been here for many many many years.... just getting more popular today...

I think this is shit people call New Age, to attack the real "new age"

the elite attack us with "new age" so why not use it to help us?

[desdemona]

Listen to Bill Cooper's New Age Deception/Conspiracy lecture..

Arizona Wilder: "It's very dangerous to contact the 4th dimension"

Only LOVE and COURAGE can save us.

One World Religion is a deception... beware a pale horse.

[thirdwave]

Listen to Bill Cooper's New Age Deception/Conspiracy lecture..

Arizona Wilder: "It's very dangerous to contact the 4th dimension"

Only LOVE and COURAGE can save us.

One World Religion is a deception... beware a pale horse.

its very dangerous for a 4 year old child to walk the street at night..... its not as dangerous for me or you to walk the street at night though...

[desdemona]

If you think like that, that's your problem.

It is dangerous even for the knowlegdable ones- gnostics, zionists, Elite- for they too will be deceived in the end.

Lets love each other, not hate. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER us!

[thirdwave]

If you think like that, that's your problem.

It is dangerous even for the knowlegdable ones- gnostics, zionists, Elite- for they too will be deceived in the end.

Lets love each other, not hate. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER us!

I dont see it as a problem at all...

And the division is already there... only freedom for all will beat that division.

[desdemona]

OK, third. I don't feel like discussing, it's late, I'm tired and lonely.

Do what you will.

[thirdwave]

OK, third. I don't feel like discussing, it's late, I'm tired and lonely.

Do what you will.

shall be the whole of the law :)

[desdemona]

7th Satanic Degree: Nothing is true, everything's permitted.


IOT- Iluminates of thanateros: Huge site. It has it all.... No fees, only homework and a personal frater/teacher.

[thirdwave]

7th Satanic Degree: Nothing is true, everything's permitted.

I back that quote all the way.... explain what is "evil" about it?



IOT- Iluminates of thanateros: Huge site. It has it all.... No fees, only homework and a personal frater/teacher.

I don't go to these kind of websites nowadays.. With all due respect, to much crap around.. I prefer to dig up old books, (pre "truth" movement bang), and learn from them.

Nothing is True, everything is permitted, is a liberating statement, and all should take it on board and help to have better minds. it is anto dogma..

only those who need things to be "true" will see it as evil...

if all is permitted then truth can still be created by you. only it takes responsibility, and most people don't want it.

Its not s statement created to control people and to keep them within a thought pattern no... its a statement of complete liberation and freedom.... the out come would be the out come created by people.

[desdemona]

Old Books...you can find them there or at Nag Hammadi Library (Gnostic Library site).
I myself have some too, but I'm far away..

And if you dig the correct keywords you'll catch "little" treasures at SCRIBD also.

Kindly,

Desdemona.

[thirdwave]

Old Books...you can find them there or at Nag Hammadi Library (Gnostic Library site).
I myself have some too, but I'm far away..

And if you dig the correct keywords you'll catch "little" treasures at SCRIBD also.

Kindly,

Desdemona.

Thanks..

[marpat]

Listen to Bill Cooper's New Age Deception/Conspiracy lecture..

Arizona Wilder: "It's very dangerous to contact the 4th dimension"

Only LOVE and COURAGE can save us.

One World Religion is a deception... beware a pale horse.

I would say it is dangerous to make the wrong sort of contacts in any dimension, even ours. The trick is to contact entities that are positive. I think what she says shows a complete lack of knowledge and understanding. I have my doubts about AW and some of wild claims.

[thirdwave]

I would say it is dangerous to make the wrong sort of contacts in any dimension, even ours. The trick is to contact entities that are positive. I think what she says shows a complete lack of knowledge and understanding. I have my doubts about AW and some of wild claims.

Very true.

the thing is it probably is dangerous to contact it, but only because most people are so retarded outside of this dimension, they are easy prey for arse holes in the 4th...

I dont think fearing it and staying locked in doors is the answer... education and hard work is the answer.

And if everyone was doing it it would be a darn site easier and dont the "PTB" know it.

[marpat]

Very true.

the thing is it probably is dangerous to contact it, but only because most people are so retarded outside of this dimension, they are easy prey for arse holes in the 4th...

I dont think fearing it and staying locked in doors is the answer... education and hard work is the answer.

And if everyone was doing it it would be a darn site easier and dont the "PTB" know it.

Exactly. Makes you wonder why the official religions are those that generally oppress anybody with interests that actually enable you to expand you mind and capability. Not only is it less money for them but you get to make your choices and decisions, which means less chance of religious manipulation.

I think that Crowley had the right sort of idea though. He would invoke spirits but test their responses and information by comparing it them to correlating concepts and codes from magical traditions. If Aries turned up in a yellow robe it would be an indicator that the vision was false. I think people tend to ignore this aspect of checking information.

[desdemona]

Hi,

I went to Scribd and explored some old and New books about Druid dark art and witchcraft spells and rituals and I've came across to some interesting rituals with interesting "hard to find" ingredients such as:
Baby fat

human fetus and last but not least, human head (not skull)...

Lovely people these druids...

[nihil]

Lovely people these druids...

I just don't condemn druids in toto. Many pagan traditions gave similar rituals, as the african tribes that eat the brain of an old sage to keep his knowledge.
it is the way these rituals are done: The left hand path is the wrong way that Crowley supported in his whole wicked life.

[thirdwave]

Hi,

I went to Scribd and explored some old and New books about Druid dark art and witchcraft spells and rituals and I've came across to some interesting rituals with interesting "hard to find" ingredients such as:
Baby fat

human fetus and last but not least, human head (not skull)...

Lovely people these druids...

Well its good to see your not easily influences in having a narrow outlook and generalised view on it all.

First of all Druids are not wicca and do not have any historical connection with Witch craft either.... so Im not sure why you are implying they are in the same bracket.

The thing is, most people are very ignorant and will call anyone that is into the occult a Druid... most people will see a Pagan and brand them a Druid... which most are not..

The main concept in Druid's is the lunar and solor and earth worship.. I have met a few in Avebury and they have been very good people.. and you just try to brand them all with the same brush because of other peoples writings of some they have supposedly learned about.

You can also get Christian, Buddhist, that are Druids... so on.... So you are not making your self very clear IMO...

People are aware there have been are are evil people that are into the occult... because these evil people also use a light socket... and the telephone... does that mean we should also not use these things?

Crowley used to enjoy fucking with people who think that all magic is based on the vast minority of ancients who's stories were handed down to us... because he knew he would simply be going around in circles defending him self... He jokes once about that baby fat stuff... stating ... "Animal or baby fat is required for the wax.. but Regular candles from the local super market would suffice" lol


Crowley was not really a Druid anyway.

Also Not all Druids believe the same thing!

Also a Druid today is not necessarily what an ancient Druid was... We know very little about what anciant druids were, most were killed by the people ruling the planet today who are the ones who passed on the "history" books.. History is written by the winners.

[thirdwave]

I just don't condemn druids in toto. Many pagan traditions gave similar rituals, as the african tribes that eat the brain of an old sage to keep his knowledge.
it is the way these rituals are done: The left hand path is the wrong way that Crowley supported in his whole wicked life.

Most Pagans are decent people and at least they don't go around judging others telling them who they should worship and preaching to people and telling them what to think.

Go ahead and tell us about this pagan tradition?

[desdemona]

Hello,

You are correct. I'm just publiciting these left hand bastards-The Elite- John Todd said that the core of their magic works was Druidic. And he knew for sure...

Read Fitz Springmeier's polemic book - Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.- Supressed by the Elite.

Kindly and lonely,
Desdo.

[thirdwave]

Hello,

You are correct. I'm just publiciting these left hand bastards-The Elite- John Todd said that the core of their magic works was Druidic. And he knew for sure...

Read Fitz Springmeier's polemic book - Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.- Supressed by the Elite.

Kindly and lonely,
Desdo.


Ahh ok, Sorry, I was assuming you were one who was trying to smear....

Yes you are right, there are some very sick people who are so consumed by ego and power, they are not even human...

you only need to look at what some of the Mayans and Aztecs done to see how fucked up it can get.

[nihil]

John Todd
I really dug the net for a deeper insight into this guy...

1. He did so big accusations that almost no other did.

2. He just disappeared !! Where's this guy ??

Mr. Todd, as Mr. Springmeier (is this his real name?), could tell us so much
simply because they were into those practices and then - God, Thank You! -
they just split from the covenant.

I imagine that every mason, druid, satanist in this world just feels a deep
struggle inside, as a junkie with no drugs, and when you're into these wicked
practices, you just ask for more, with no cure for the consequences. Nor for
you, neither for others.

About Druids: they were an oral tradition, with no books, and could be that
Crowley just inherited the worst part of it, or just the malefically modified
one - as it was NOT in origin.

Same in the Mayan tradition: the hype is always on the sacrifices, but what
about their culture, their science, what about all the texts destroyed by the
good spanish samaritans ?

[omegasol]

Read Perdurabo by Richard Kaszinski. It is THE best and probably most well researched book on the life of Crowley. It dispelled any preconceived ideas I had about him. He is very much misunderstood. His work can be valuable for some people.

yep, so true. right now i´m reading "Aleister Crowley's Scientific Illuminism. Magie und Mystik als angewandte Psychologie zur Transformation des Menschen: Andreas Ludwig: 9783828888692: Bücher@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41K7JJPC57L.@@AMEPARAM@@41K7JJPC57L", if any of you guys speak german you should read that book. it´s a VERY informative and not biased in any way. Where Kaczynski´s book is more a biography, "Scientific Illuminism" sums up crowley´s ideas. a lot of people would be surprised how clever and modern his thoughts are. Thelema has not much to do with all these horror stories you heard about him and his works. after reading the book i realized how much i was affected by all this anti-crowley-propaganda.

[indianinthemachine]

Click this link to read this same article but with the imbedded links (thanks David Icke Forum posters....there's really good reading here):

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/a-spiritual-and-physical-guide-to-overcoming-organized-evil-by-dieter-braun-indian-in-the-machine/

A Spiritual And Physical Guide To Overcoming Organized Evil – by Dieter Braun (Indian in the machine)

As a person increases their level of consciousness they come to know God and to know themselves as Godlike and have Godlike experiences in wisdom. As a person avoids consciousness and their own spiritual heritage, they come to know satan, and themselves become satanlike and have experiences rooted in ignorance.

As a person seeks out spiritual teachers who are of the Light they can benefit from the experiences and wisdom of others.

As a person seeks out false idols who entertain them and lead them through media, products and government, chances are they are being enslaved through techniques and messages that they many not fully understand.

SET YOUR INTENTIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY AND BEFORE SLEEP.
If you don’t set you intentions at the beginning of the day, then you able to more powerfully direct your energy. Now because our world is going head-to-head in the final battle between Light and dark, it’s important to set a foundation of Light at the beginning of the day. There are numerous ways to do this.

PUT YOUR ENERGY AND INTENTIONS IN WRITING
Ask yourself some telling and revealing questions and answer them honestly and truthfully…
1. Why are you here on planet earth?
2. What do you hope to accomplish during your remaining limited time on planet earth?
3. What are your strategies to create Light-filled experiences?
4. What are your strategies to limit the dark from affecting you in an unconscious way?
5. What does your heart tell you, that would bring you the most joy?
6. What are your strategies to live from the heart?
7. What are your strategies to clear your energy from the past of things that are no longer serving you?
8. What are your strategies to create yourself anew everyday, living in the now?
9. What are your strategies to connect yourself with nature?
10. When your life is over, you will review everything 100% standing naked before God that you have created, and you will review everything 100% before God that you have destroyed…how would you like that experience to be?

REGULAR AFFIRMATIONS AND DECREES CAN ESTABLISH YOUR CO-COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SPIRIT REALM
It is important to have regular affirmations and decrees so that the spirit world can work on our behalf. If we do not do this then our spirit guides cannot act on our behalf, because we have freewill and they are not allowed to do things beyond our freewill. Regular affirmations and decrees are a powerful way to join with the multitudes of unseen beings who have the advantage of seeing and working with energies that are beyond our comprehension. Chose your favorite decrees and make them a regular part of your life. Here are a few examples:

1. If you are seeking more abundance, try the decree of abundance

2. If you are hanging on to dark energies…perhaps you feel weighted down, or perhaps you are affected by dark energies at work or in your relationships….try the TOTAL ENERGY CLEARING DECREE.

3. Perhaps you’d like to help attract Cosmic Light from the Universe to bathe our planet, especially in areas of war, slavery and environmental destruction. Check out the Invocation to the Great Cosmic Light.

4. The Violet Flame can be regularly invoked to transmute negative energies that reside within you.

5. Make up your own decrees…for example: Indian’s FREE ENERGY DECREE – “I believe that energy exists all around us to benefit from and to use to create our lives full of beauty, harmony and love including solar energy, wind energy, the energy of the waxing and waning ocean tides, perpetual magnetic motion energy, photon energy and much more! I believe that free energy technologies all ready exist on this planet, and it is my desire that all humans on planet earth have equal access to free energy technologies, so that we can end poverty, war, evil control and bless our lives with everlasting abundant creative Lightfilled power…let’s move beyond the coal industry, beyond the nuclear industry, beyond fossil fuels….LET’S ATTRACT FREE ENERGY TO OUR LIVES RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!”

A PRAYER TO GOD ATON FOR 100% WHITE LIGHT PROTECTION

(IN THE WISDOM OF KNOWING THAT UNSEEN AND UNKNOWN HUMAN AND NON-HUMAN TECHNOLOGIES EXIST AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING DEPLOYED UPON MAJOR CITIES AND ARE AFFECTING OUR PERSONAL HEALTH, WE USE THIS PRAYER TO ASK FOR A FULL SHIELD OF LIGHT PROTECTION FROM GOD).

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT AND DRINK. PERIOD.
Either you are creating yourself as a crystal diamond of Light, or a contaminated lump of coal. If you eat pure raw fruit, vegetables and nuts, and drink remineralized blessed pure water, you are becoming a crystal diamond of Light. If you drink tap water and eat processed foods from large corporations like Kraft, McDonalds, Nestle, Monstanto, Campbells, Proctor and Gamble etc., chances are you are needless contaminating yourself and knocking on cancer’s door.
As you create yourself as a crystal diamond, you can process more Light, more information…you are essentially creating yourself to be a human supercomputer.

As you create yourself as a lump of contaminated coal, you are essentially creating yourself as a defective computer that crashes all the time, with illness, depression, cancer each step…each moment taking you closer to weakness.

Can you see now why the powers-that-be seek to contaminate the world? It’s because they seek to create you as weak instead of powerful.

Can you see now why your power is in your desire, willingness and actions to detoxify body, mind, and emotions, thus bringing you closer to your power and who you really are…a powerful divine creator?

Visit Indian in the machine’s Detoxification webpage.

How do I create sacred crystal water – by Dieter Braun (Indian in the machine)

SEEK OUT THE TRUTH AND PROCESS THE TRUTH FROM THE HEART
it is very useful to process the truth with your mind, and then you process the truth from the heart.

If you get your news from major corporations then chances are you are being deceived and will not have access to full truth. If you get your information from people perhaps online or through word-of-mouth from people who are interested in the Truth, then chances are you are getting access to the Truth as people know it to be. Get to know how the truth is suppress in your own life…see how the same techniques are used by governments and other people who wish to control the masses!

Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.

2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “How dare you?” gambit.

3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)

4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nutcase,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and, of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.

6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”

9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster “suicide” note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.

15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

Courtesy of DCDAVE.
http://www.dcdave.com/article3/991228.html

HAVE CONSCIOUS MOMENTS
As we move throughout our days it’s not possible to absorb everything we experience…to be aware of every car on the streets as we go to work, to read every billboard, to remember everybody’s face…everybody’s name. However as we set our intentions beforehand, we give ourselves guidance as to what we would like to be conscious of. For example, if one sets the intention to not be brainwashed by the media, then it’s important to avoid commercials and perhaps magazines that seek to sway our values, attitudes and beliefs away from the Light…and to clear our energy when we do expose ourselves to brainwashing techniques found in Hollywood movies, found in video games, found in public establishments etc.

1. If you eat something, know the ingredients.
2. If you drink something…know the ingredients.
3. If you say something…know why you say it.
4. If you believe something…know why you believe it.
5. There are no accidents…know why your life is the way that it is.
6. As you seek to know God, you will seek to know yourself.

KNOW GOD AND KNOW YOUR ADVERSARY
In the final battle between Light and dark, which we are in right here and right now, it’s important to be conscious of both sides of the Oneness.

KNOW GOD
God is everywhere, so to become conscious of everything is to know God. God also has a strong presence on the internet via his direct words and also via his Heavenly Hosts.
Who is God Aton?
Archangel Michael
Numerous Heavenly Host messages at The Rainbow Scribe
THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT YOU SHALL EVER BE GIVEN

KNOW YOUR ADVERSARY
Numerous links are available at Indian in the machine’s Know Your Adversary webpage. webpage.

YOUR LIFE IS YOUR MOVIE AND YOU ARE THE LEADING CHARACTER
It’s you who were chosen to be here at this time…not to be a passive watching, standing by idly waiting for something to happen. You are the star and your life is your movie. You are the set designer. You are the script writer. You are the director who says, “Action”…and then you put everything you desire to be in your movie…into action. You are your own action hero or heroine.

YOU WERE HANDPICKED BY GOD TO BE ON PLANET EARTH AT THIS TIME
God is asking us to amplify his energies at this time. Simple, meaningful acts of God Love, is what is asked of us. We requested to be here to amplify God´s Love…we do so much more easily, as we clean out the resistance within us. We can now see that the processed food industry has been creating resistance within us via the mass poisoning of our species and our planet….since our reality is first created in the spiritual world, before it´s created in the physical world, the same is true for the energies which transmute all negativity on our planet. Create your reality in the spiritual world with your ultimate collaborator first, God. God is all around us, and within us, and he waits for us with open arms for all eternity, to wake up. We wake up in this lifetime, or if we don´t…. we have all eternity to experience as many lifetimes as necessary, however remember that we are God´s ultimate dream team for planet earth, all we need is to reflect God into each other´s eyes….let´s bring each other paradise as a gift to ourselves. Let´s wake up in this lifetime.
WE ARE GOD’S DREAM TEAM FOR PLANET EARTH

GOD IS WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES…ARE YOU WITH GOD AT ALL TIMES?
Often the organized manmade world around us seeks to distract us form God. God remains with us at all times…our role is to be with God at all times. This means that when we are at work, we bring God with us. When we go to court…we bring God with us. When we go to the supermarket, or on a holiday or anywhere…we bring God with us. When we go to visit the doctor or any authority…we bring God with us as our ULTIMATE AUTHORITY. We do this because this is our strength. Our strength as individuals and as a species is to end our denial of God, so that we can consciously co-collaborate with Him (Her).

Denial of God is felt, anytime you are embarrassed to talk about God. Denial of God is experienced, anytime you try to solve your problems without God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you try to create a better world without God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you feel you know better than God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you put your ego before the rest of the world. Your ego is very useful to you, so do not try to destroy your ego or other’s egos, rather place your ego behind your Higher Self. As you act from your Higher Self, you process all that you experience through your heart with your helpful ego behind your Higher Self. Your Higher Self is who you really are and so we strive to connect with our Higher Self in every moment.

If you find this information to be extremely useful, then please send it to your email contact list, with my blessings and thanks.

I am a member of God’s DreamTeam 2012 and so are you.

In service to the Light,

Dieter Braun
Indian in the machine

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[shellygurrrl]

Basically, unless you're a vegan, calling animal sacrifice evil is hypocritical as fuck, and my rational side just won't allow that no matter how much my emotional side might feel gratified by such a self-righteous judgment.

Actually, it's not even close. Killing an animal humanely for food or clothing, etc. is VASTLY different from animal sacrifice. :rolleyes:

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I bought one of Crowley's books and I think he was full of shit. What a bunch of bravado. He thought way too highly of himself. I'm not going to say there is absolutely nothing to learn from him, but with all the shit you'd have to wade through to find the few gems, why bother?

[thelonious]

Actually, it's not even close. Killing an animal humanely for food or clothing, etc. is VASTLY different from animal sacrifice. :rolleyes:


I disagree. When the ancients sacrificed animals, it was with a sense of respect and spirituality. In today's factory farms, there's no respect or spirituality at all, and it certainly isn't humane.

[marpat]

Get back to the pews deiter you are boring people

[dillanh]

It was midnight, and the Devil came down and sat in the midst; but my Fairy Prince whispered: "Hush! It is a great secret, but his name is Yeheswah, and he is the Saviour of the World." And that was very funny, because the girl next me thought it was Jesus Christ, till another Fairy Prince (my Prince's brother) whispered as he kissed her: "Hush, tell nobody ever, that is Satan, and he is the Saviour of the World."

-Crowley, The Wake World (http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib95.html)

[valmar]

It was midnight, and the Devil came down and sat in the midst; but my Fairy Prince whispered: "Hush! It is a great secret, but his name is Yeheswah, and he is the Saviour of the World." And that was very funny, because the girl next me thought it was Jesus Christ, till another Fairy Prince (my Prince's brother) whispered as he kissed her: "Hush, tell nobody ever, that is Satan, and he is the Saviour of the World."

-Crowley, The Wake World (http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib95.html)

Nice! I'm going to read this, sounds excellent! Just like Crowley! :D