manifesting reality

[razor]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition? This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization. I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.
The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to. This is the way psychic healers actually heal people, and the outcome transpires, according to their thoughts.
I personally have been focusing too much lately on the negatives of the slavery which is unfolding, and I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.
This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

[niftygifter]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition? This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization. I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.
The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to. This is the way psychic healers actually heal people, and the outcome transpires, according to their thoughts.
I personally have been focusing too much lately on the negatives of the slavery which is unfolding, and I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.
This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

You are not far wrong there my friend.
It includes all negative and positive thoughtforms.
We DO create the world in which we live in;)

Nifty:cool:

[lifeofbrian]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition? This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization. I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.
The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to. This is the way psychic healers actually heal people, and the outcome transpires, according to their thoughts.
I personally have been focusing too much lately on the negatives of the slavery which is unfolding, and I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.
This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

Sure. Balance is a good thing. Being aware of negative people and things around us doesn't mean allowing a negative person to lead us into a black hole. The image of a drowning victim pulling us in with him or her. Engaging with bitter, vituperative types is pointless as these people can't be helped and contact with them will not help oneself. Emotional people tend to imagine they can save other people, but if the cost is the personal wellbeing then it is too high, IMO.

Picturing a brighter life makes life lighter instantly. :)

[name]

Yeah you are right, focusing on the negative creates it in your life.

However having said that, everything's gonna be okay!

[deliciously_fresh]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition? This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization. I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.
The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to. This is the way psychic healers actually heal people, and the outcome transpires, according to their thoughts.
I personally have been focusing too much lately on the negatives of the slavery which is unfolding, and I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

It certainly beats the 'it's-all-doom-and-gloom' mentality, that's for sure!

It's how we focus on the conspiracy that makes all the difference. If we look at it negatively, we contribute to humanity's consciousness in kind.

If we keep a postive outlook, then we are more open to productive solutions and ideas that can make a real difference.

It's all a matter of perception.

[glacidtek]

i completely agree - its so easy to get into a state of negative feedback that spirals out of control..... we all need to concentrate on the +ve aspects of life and not feed the -ve energy

[neutron flux]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition?

From a historical point of view, the only reality is that of conspiracy. So I don't think it has to do with our thoughts at this point in time - it was ever thus.

We need to know about the objective reality in order to do something about it, as Bruce Lee said, "Willing is not enough; we must do. Knowing is not enough; we must apply."

This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization.

What makes one an expert in creative visualization?

I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.

Sitting around doing nothing will achieve nothing.

The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to.

That's called wishful thinking.

I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.

Again, wishfully thinking you're going to "ascend" without any work on yourself other than sitting around dreaming of a better world.

This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

I think it's perspective - yes the world's burning, but you can use this to impact others by at the very least waking people up that are in the burning building, instead of visualizing it raining and saving you and the others asleep, oblivious to the fire. Sitting around dreaming won't make Bush grow a conscience or empathize with us - people need knowledge.

Another Bruce Lee quote: "To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities."

Maybe thinking about ways to influence the sleeping masses would be a far more productive activity than joining them in slumber.

[cruise4]

Starting to find out the truth of how the world has been operating is positive for me. The angry bit I need to tone down. But don't we just 'contribute' towards creating our reality along with everyone else? And if so don't we need to get a critical mass together before this hoped for change actually can manifest?

[octopusrex]

I wonder if it's possible, that by focusing too much on conspiracy theories, that we are actually bringing them into fruition? This is the law of the universe according to the experts on creative visualization. I think another way to prevent the new world order, (in conjunction with meditation), is to use this practice.
The idea behind creative visualization is to visualize an event has already taken place, in the way you want it to. This is the way psychic healers actually heal people, and the outcome transpires, according to their thoughts.
I personally have been focusing too much lately on the negatives of the slavery which is unfolding, and I think a healthy way to view the coming changes is from an optimistic viewpoint, the view of spiritual ascension.
This is the way I plan to focus my energy this point forward as focusing on the negatives is starting to play a negative impact in my life.

Of COURSE!

[adramelech]

I love you neutron flux.

[tim the enchanter]

Call me unimaginative, but just what is there to be done though? Living the best life one can lead, certainly. Self improvement/enlightenment. Working on just causes, whether they be organic farming, education, political activism, whatever. But where is it all heading? It's not like, Hey, we take the heads of the Grand Council of the Lizard Princess, the Lords of the Earth, and then peace and justice return to the kingdom and dance and feast with the elves of... you get the point. Or is there some cabal of rulers out there who's heads we just need to sever?
:)

[esse]

Totally there with ya Neutron Flux, what's up with this recent trend of New Age thinking that has got everyone and their dog convinced that somehow freedom = the idea that we are to blame for everything bad and that when we realize this and change our thinking it will magically manifest into paradise??? I mean we need to change our thinking, but shee.... well yeah, there are a lot of things that need to change. I think if people start with the realization that they are not God or something and able to control all of existence simply by positive thinking ("wishful" - ya think!) I just have to wonder re. all tis, why masters of meditation like the Dalia lama haven't already freed Tibet through their power of mind, and why the proponents of this kind of new age thought keep having to sell books, conference tickets, NLP CDS, etc... Not to mention bad movies like The Secret, What The Bleep... What do they need to work so hard for... Why educate people at all come to think of it -= when they could simply think us all there?

Tim - Awesome Avatar :)

[lifeofbrian]

From a historical point of view, the only reality is that of conspiracy. So I don't think it has to do with our thoughts at this point in time - it was ever thus.

We need to know about the objective reality in order to do something about it, as Bruce Lee said, "Willing is not enough; we must do. Knowing is not enough; we must apply."



What makes one an expert in creative visualization?



Sitting around doing nothing will achieve nothing.



That's called wishful thinking.



Again, wishfully thinking you're going to "ascend" without any work on yourself other than sitting around dreaming of a better world.



I think it's perspective - yes the world's burning, but you can use this to impact others by at the very least waking people up that are in the burning building, instead of visualizing it raining and saving you and the others asleep, oblivious to the fire. Sitting around dreaming won't make Bush grow a conscience or empathize with us - people need knowledge.

Another Bruce Lee quote: "To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities."

Maybe thinking about ways to influence the sleeping masses would be a far more productive activity than joining them in slumber.


Please elaborate on the following if you like:

* objective reality
* work required re: "ascending"

[romas]

Balance of positive thought and positive action is the way to go in my opinion. You cannot coordinate your positive actions without positive philosophy :)

[seanx]

esse wrote:

Totally there with ya Neutron Flux, what's up with this recent trend of New Age thinking that has got everyone and their dog convinced that somehow freedom = the idea that we are to blame

Soory, mate but have you ever actual read a Dave icke book?

Neutron Flux is entitled to his views but they are virtually
the complete opposite of the ideas Icke talks about in his books.

in fact, Neutron Flux's view is the Elite's view and the Elite-inspired
science's of the world virtually word for word.

If you want more information on those views, go to the Sunday times
or any of the Elite's science journals for how they want you to think.

[cruise4]

"what's up with this recent trend of New Age thinking that has got everyone and their dog convinced that somehow freedom = the idea that we are to blame for everything bad and that when we realize this and change our thinking it will magically manifest into paradise"

There is evidence of a conciousness field that actually does work like this. Thats where. There have been experiments done you know. Its not just a thought with no substance. But it needs a certain mass. So asking why an individual can't do it suggests a lack of research. I can't quite pin down what 'New Age' refers too in any meaningful concept. Seems like the term 'Conspiracy theory', to me, ie. designed to program the hearer of the term to react in a certain way.

[esse]

Positive thinking is wonderful, so is fantasy - providing one knows the difference between a daydream and a real dream. Building such a dream in the conditions of the world takes many things - practicality, sight, vision. It takes more than just visualization - yes, visualization is a useful tool to help one attain the goal of achievement, but then there is implementation.
I've read most of Icke's books - and I would have to disagree with you there. Icke seems a very hardworking practical man to me, not someone sucked in by the false promise of easy manifestation nor the sudden fashion trend that insists we control everything and if we could just jar our negative minds (accepting what - total neurosis?) we would manifest all our desires and paradise itself on earth. I'm not saying you don't have to dream it to do it - but that that guys, is really just where it begins, and that there's a lot more to it. Why - if not, haven't all the yogi's and sages and lamas and shamans already manifested this perfect world, wealth, etc, etc. It seems to be very much a new age trend this thinking, the fact that none of us were discussing these topics a few years ago - and I find it pretty ridiculous and would point out that what this thinking appeals to is our selfishness - our desires and the idea that we can fulfill them easily, it seems very much a fairy tale to me, and not of the right kind. not one that ultimately inspires, but rather deceives and so leads to despair, neurosis - thinking that you are faulty or to blame for not having succeeded at "manifesting" - what aren't you beaming it out there strong enough! No - it's yr negative mind!!! Anyway, good to know I'm annoying a few people - it probably means there is something to what I'm saying :) I'm all for DIY. But hey, the sunday post - nah. Got me all wrong again.

[cruise4]

Can't read or something esse?

[esse]

can't reply without insulting people cruise4? I was more responding to seanx than you in the last post - I'm aware of the very interesting work done on water molecules, of various studies on ESP, how thoughts from afar effect things in the physical universe, find the hundredth monkey syndrome fascinating. I believe in the power of mind and meditation, & think it's obvious that a critical mass is needed for any major change to come from people, and that changing our thinking is key to changing our world. This is really just common sense, not mystical thinking at all. What I can't go along with is the notion that started this thread - also what I have been responding to. The idea that the more we think about what's going on on the planet in the negative, the more we are aiding and abetting it or creating it. This is the sort of thinking I've been hearing bucketloads of since the movies The Secret and What The Bleep came out on - yes, The New Age Scene. Something Icke refers to often. New Age is a movement that has invaded our bookshops, spiritual stores, films, thinking. It is something that comes from the top down and yet another branch of mind control and brainwashing handed to us by the very real mystical societies that like to keep us spinning our wheels in ignorance lest we stop and do some rational thinking and realize what they are up to. No - I can't say I think that my being aware of or concerned about them is creating them - not hardly. Being aware, however - may bring about a solution given time and - a critical mass as you point out. I really don't know what it is in my statements that trigger off so much animosity from you guys here - I think we should speak to one another with respect if we are to learn from each other. Yes I can read, no not the bullshit propaganda news, yes I love David and his work - what all of this has to do with what i SAID i DON'T KNOW - Yes, I find the trend of thinking we are responsibile for everything manifested via our thoughts conscious and un very dubious and fraught with subtle poison. I can go more into this - but I gotta run at the moment.

[cruise4]

You post was countered and then you post the same mis-informed sentences again. Not meant to insult. I can post this stuff and remain equinimical. I'll say again.... the conciousness field is not wishful thinking or fantasy... its science and as you have an opinion that doesn't seem to realise that, and its been pointed out once, I am at a loss for the repetition.

I'll add I thought as you do upon initially encountering this idea... but then I looked into it.

[neutron flux]

Please elaborate on the following if you like:

* objective reality

Objective is "how the universe sees itself".

Subjective is the story about the blind men and the elephant - they all think that the elephant is the part of it that they are feeling and that is all there is. Objective is when they begin to share their observations and come to the realization that the elephant is more than what each of them experiences independently. Someone who can see would experience more of the elephant than the blind men, though this seeing would still be limited. Objective is the elephant as it experiences itself added to the observations of the blind men added together with view of the one who can see. It takes a group to achieve such objectivity. But once each of them has shared their perceptions and experience, and all of the group have assimilated this information, they can all then achieve an objective understanding of the elephant - or very close.

If we have people joining in the group meditation events that seem to happen every year (with no results btw) you notice their is no aim, a lack of understanding and objectivity of how the world works and basically people sitting around feeling loved up and dreaming of a better world.

Well, every person will have a different vision of a better world, so it just adds to the chaos. Another thing: it is impossible for you to manifest a conscience into someone who is devoid of one. it's not going to happen by any stretch of the imagination - yet the cult of "love and light" seem to think that the people in power are "normal" people in the sense that they have feelings, empathy and conscience. They don't. Never have. So, just by lacking this vital piece of data any thoughts of peace are useless. Dream away for the rest of your lives - it's not going to change - unless knowledge and studies such as Ponerology are widely known so we can put safe guards in place so psychological deviants don't get into spheres of influence and power.

You can't do that just by thinking about it - you need actions.

I expect most have noticed that with the "New Age" crowd it tends to be all about feeling good as apposed to anything with shallow, empty choruses of "love and light." You could say that some of these people are on the same level as a junkie as they consume their spiritual drugs that tells them that everything is alright and just to feel love etc, even though the world is burning around them, is no different to the person shooting Heroin in the arm to escape their miserable existence as they lie back in blissful feelings from the Skag, while their surroundings are one of squaller.

Now I'm not saying don't feel good ever or never meditate as it's healthy to meditate on a problem - just don't think it's the solution to mankind's problems.

* work required re: "ascending"

To put it as simply as I can it seems that to "work" on oneself consists of self observation and self-remembering to discard the false personality that would have been placed by external stimuli since birth.

In the 4th Way material, the horse-drawn coach is used as a metaphor for the human being. The driver corresponds to intellect, the horse to emotions, the carriage to the physical body. The passenger corresponds to the 'real I' or 'soul,' which most often, according to the 4th Way teaching is either asleep or absent. In the analogy, the horse is often depicted as neglected and abused, the driver as self-interested and shallow, sometimes drunk and reckless or asleep, the carriage as in bad repair, all performing way below their possibilities. All these stand in the cab rank, ready to be hired by whatever passenger comes along. In the ideal state of man, the passenger would be the permanent owner of the coach, directing intellect, emotions and body according to a conscious purpose, using each for its rightfull function. However this is hardly ever the case.

We have all had hindsight, that is to say we've looked back on a situation in our past and thought to ourselves what we should have done or what we should have said if we could do it again. Usually when we have played out undesirable actions it is because of the false personality or "programs" taking over because the real "I" is not present in that moment. The goal is then to have the real "I" forever seated in us to resist the "mass hypnosis" which can influence our actions. This also corresponds to Castaneda's "predator mind."

Of course there is more, but I'm short of time so I'll have to leave it there for the time being.

[seanx]

What is objective reality?

It doesn't exist.

The reality we experience is dependent on what we believe
is possible.

A while ago, I watched a video that is mentioned in Greg bandon's
book, the Divine Matrix, where a group of people gathered around
a person with cancer - and in the presense of everyone present, the
tumour was dissolved.


Now.....that was their objective reality.

And such a reality was possible for them because they individually
and collectively extended their parameters of what is possible
in this reality.

For that moment in time, they were able to leave behind
consenual reality ( i.e. what we are told, from when
we are little kids by our religions, our environment and our schools
about WHAT is possible - and WHAT is not) and conceive of
ANOTHER reality where healing a tumour was possible and no
big deal.

Now you could get hundreds of people to try and do this and
nothing will happen.

The secret is not the healing or laying on of hands - but WHAT
THE PEOPLE in the group BELIEVE.

You'll get as MANY results or objective realities as there are people
with different belief systems about WHAT is possible.

Reality at any given moment is simply the dominant belief
accepted and FROZEN in form.

In 50 to a 100 years time, healing tumours at will through group
consciousness will probably be as common as going to the dentist.

Our objective reality will have changed because our beliefs
as a race about what is possible in this new consenual reality
WILL HAVE CHANGED.

Action with CHANGING beliefs is pointless and powerless.

[neutron flux]

What is objective reality?

It doesn't exist.

The reality we experience is dependent on what we believe
is possible.

Of course there is an objective reality - the state of the universe as it is. A belief is not going to change the fundamental laws of the universe. People used to believe the world was flat - it didn't make it so.

A while ago, I watched a video that is mentioned in Greg bandon's
book, the Divine Matrix, where a group of people gathered around
a person with cancer - and in the presense of everyone present, the
tumour was dissolved.

Yes, the belief of a patient can have an effect on their recovery, but there is a BIG difference between that and say peace in the world. A group of people standing around George Bush will NOT manifest a conscience in him.

You can have a billion people standing in a group meditation all wishing and believing in world peace, but until you look at the root cause of WHY the world is in the state it is in, your beliefs won't mean squat.

[seanx]

Of course there is an objective reality - the state of the universe as it is.

Which is the objective reality?

The person with the disappearing tumour.

Or the person with the tumour remaining the same?

Which reality is more real ?

Which is the objective reality?

Both are.

A belief is not going to change the fundamental laws of the universe
Really, says who?

One million doctors will swear to you that it is impossible for consciousness
to effect a tumour. They say the 'laws' won't allow it.

Yet, they were wrong.

You can have a billion people standing in a group meditation all wishing and believing in world peace, but until you look at the root cause of WHY the world is in the state it is in, your beliefs won't mean squat

You cannot divorce a person's level of consciousness from
their actions.

If you had a billion people all entering into a state of real love and
feelings of real peace, the change on the collective unconscious
would be massive - and with a changed consciouness,
(HOW PEOPLE SEE THEMSELVES) would result in a total change in
people's actions.

if I have a consciousness of lack, my actions will be totally
determined by this belief in lack. I will hoard, guard and share NOTHING.

However, If I experienced a REAL revolution and developed a
real consciousness of abundance, my actions will be totally
different.

Our beliefs determine our actions in vitually everything.

This is the point Icke makes in all his books. The inner creates
the outer.

All real change MUST start within.

And it's NO surprise that the Elite teach the complete opposite.

They want everybody to believe in the complete separation
of the iner world of consciousness and the outer world
of reality, of action.

But, of course, the Elite in private know that is complete bollocks.

A group of people standing around George Bush will NOT manifest a conscience in him.
A group of people with a heightended state of consciounness would never
elect a George Bush.

George Bush shows us what our present state of consciouness is.

We get the politicans we deserve.

[raul bloodworth]

egyptian book of the dead springs to mind?

mmmmm the POWER of thought:)

[cruise4]

That is a good post neutronflux. I do think one use of the conciousness field is as an aid to others learning, which does then need acting upon, I agree.