I don't want to spread the truth.

[cleft_asunder]

Look, above all, I love truth. I wouldn't trade it for the world. But when it comes to spreading it, my lips are sealed. I don't want to say anything to anyone, nor am I proactive in any way. It's the most irritating experience when I open my mouth about any of this stuff, unless I'm in a position where the other person is on the same wave-length already. The bottom line is that it is extremely difficult to convince anyone of anything no matter how well you know the facts. At the end of it all you just exhaust yourself and you feel like you hate humans with a passion.

I don't know, it's a complicated thing. On one hand I want to share this most amazing knowledge, but on the other I don't feel like most deserve it. To take it deeper, only those who already know are the ones who are going to be convinced. If you weren't able to figure it out by yourself, I'm not going to hold your hand. Many of these people aren't even curious enough to think about what's really happening on this planet, because they have no hunger for truth. Their lives are no different than animals. When they are hungry, they eat. When they are thirsty, they drink. When they are tired, they sleep. And they are content . Nothing drives me more nuts than someone who is content with the crumbs the masters have given him. If I had a choice, I would prefer that they not be given the truth. They don't deserve it.

You know, I really do believe Organic Portals exist. I really do believe that half our population are nothing more than bio-computers without conciousness, who were created to unknowingly manipulate society to the Illuminati's end. They are the ones who you will never convince of anything outside the norm. Although you find them everywhere, they are the ones you'll find at the top of corporations. They have no true morality and are easily able to climb the ladder. Also they have a group mind that takes orders from the Matrix. That is how the Illuminati take everything over. It makes sense this way.

[whitenight639]

people at the top of corperations as you put it are hardly eating the crumbs from the masters table, they feel like they have achieved somthing. as for the rest of the masses they are just not curious and are so bombarded with the media and they work hard and have no time to think freely, and why would they if all they ever see is mr and mrs joe bloggs doing the same as them on there way to work every day. this is why religions are so good, they make use of anyones natural curiousity and thinking time.

[whitenight639]

also its trying to wake people up is like selling something that they dont want, very hard to do. but it is possible, i woke my sisters bf up just by showing him the first hour of one of davids lectures, he later found out about that scotish hacker and project disclosure.

[earthseed]

I recall Michael Tsarion saying that this awakening is not for the masses. It is for the minority that are drawn to it. If we try to force this on the masses we are still being controlled by the ego. People find what they are supposed to find. And they will never take it seriously unless they find it on their own. It doesn't matter how simple you try to make it they will not understand you. All you can do is explain your ideas to them when they question why you have to question this reality. I'm not into saving anyone but myself and that in itself is the hardest thing I've ever done. I enjoy talking to others who are on the same frequency and that's where I spend my time.

[truthcommission]

Interesting take on things cleft. It is something that I have run into time and time again. When you try to show people an alternative to the spectacular lies they have been fed you are usually met with resistance. Sometimes this resistance can take the form of anger (or violence in its most extreme manifestation) but mostly with a kind of dumb stare.

The process of deprogramming the masses is a monumental task and I would say is too great for any one person to affect even on a one-to-one level. Unless the person has exposed a flaw in their own programming and has decided to deprogram themselves it is futile trying to expose the matrix at this stage.

Who said we need massive numbers to make a difference anyhow? Inserting a small piece of code into the program can yield massive results. We must become like firebugs starting fires (exposing the truth) all over the place. They can put out some of the fires but eventually if enough are lit it will create a wildfire which will be uncontainable.

[llogun]

The people in the uk are soap opera foot ball mad it does my head in. There life revolves them, if you told them a bomb was going off and killed 1000s of people, well i must watch eastenders. They are programed sheep thinking they have got a life and are free. Its hard to talk to people who are like this.

[Anders Lindman]

people at the top of corperations as you put it are hardly eating the crumbs from the masters table

They are given what to them seems like a lot of money, but it's really peanuts from the power elite's perspective. People at the top of corporations are working their ass off 80 hours per week, so they are in a sense actually more like slaves than the people working below them.

[seanx]

I agree with you, cleft_asunder

it's pointless, most of the time, talking to people about these ideas, who have no 'feel' for them.

Maybe it's better to talk about them with people who understand them
- and in that way build a critical mass.

You only need a small critical mass of great concentrated energy
( i.e. of like-minded people ) to affect great change.

So maybe there is no need for everyone to understand these ideas
first.

Maybe they've got their work or critical mass to reach, in say new
art expression or medicine ideas.

[bigus_dickus]

of course you don't. me neither...

you do want to do it in this forum though and other of like minded people.

the thing is, you cannot shoot the whole truth to an ignorant person. we ourselves, as much as we like to think that we know more, we actually know nothing compared to what there is to know. which means that we too are ignorant in our supposed knowledge.

they can't handle the truth. it is obvious, put yourself in their position, or remember yourself when you were in their position, if you were. they don't want to be severely shocked and they are right. my view is that every view is correct, while it is merely a view and not "it". the view depends on where you are looking from and how you are looking.

it was so much harder back then when there was no internet. a very slow process that now has become much much faster and eventually it's gonna blast in a very short time, shorter than you can imagine. "critical mass", is just one day before "total mass", or "total mess" if you will. the most important thing is to avoid any other kind of blast till then, have faith and enjoy the ride if possible. my couple of cents.

[eternal_spirit]

I try to tell them what's going on, thinking I'm doing some good and helping them, then people get angry with me, when it's the Illuminati and secret societies who they should be angry with. I've lost friends trying to explain what I know.

They haven't done any research, refuse to read any of Icke's works. If I mention the masons have higher degress other than the three offical ones, they can't even believe that. I give up! You can't make someone see something they don't want to see. All that symbolic language right infront of them everyday.

Maybe their brains are fried or to programmed to see anything other than what they allready know and are.

I've noticed this on the Forum, there are some highly intelligent people here, could it be you need to be above average intelligence to put the conspircay(the reality) together.

[jinjo5]

The people in the uk are soap opera foot ball mad it does my head in. There life revolves them, if you told them a bomb was going off and killed 1000s of people, well i must watch eastenders. They are programed sheep thinking they have got a life and are free. Its hard to talk to people who are like this.
Youre right there.
Also,like ive said in other posts people are more concerned about beating their neighbour,keeping up with the joneses.
The people that were trapped into 'buying' their own house in the 80's feel they have to keep it going.
Two cars in the drive,better double glazing than your neighbour,nicer fencing...bigger double gates..etc.etc.
You see it every single day,its really sad.
They fell for it hook,line and sinker!
Totally agree..cleft.

[neutron flux]

I find the best way is to plant "seeds" here and there gauge responses and go from there. If you blast them with information you can fry their circuits and they can switch off to anything you have to say.
I personally call our leaders psychopaths (which is what they are no matter how you look at it) and call them on their behaviour. I will also engage in small talk to show that I'm not some nutjob and throw in some comments here and there that might make them think a bit harder of the situation we find ourselves in.

If people are intrested they might question you some more, and slowly they begin to awaken. If they don't and you can see that they couldn't give a damn about anything I just leave them alone.

This simplifying it somewhat and it depends from person but start small.

Just my two cents. :)

[eternal_spirit]

Well put Neuotron.

Took me along time to understand what I now know.
If someone had started talking to me about these subjects, before I knew anything about it, maybe I would of turned off too.

When you start to explain one thing, it almost always leads onto another, then another because it's all connected.

It's alot of information to take in, the verbal way isn't quick enough, that's why we need people like David I to write books.

[john white]

of course you don't. me neither...

you do want to do it in this forum though and other of like minded people.

the thing is, you cannot shoot the whole truth to an ignorant person. we ourselves, as much as we like to think that we know more, we actually know nothing compared to what there is to know. which means that we too are ignorant in our supposed knowledge.

they can't handle the truth. it is obvious, put yourself in their position, or remember yourself when you were in their position, if you were. they don't want to be severely shocked and they are right. my view is that every view is correct, while it is merely a view and not "it". the view depends on where you are looking from and how you are looking.

it was so much harder back then when there was no internet. a very slow process that now has become much much faster and eventually it's gonna blast in a very short time, shorter than you can imagine. "critical mass", is just one day before "total mass", or "total mess" if you will. the most important thing is to avoid any other kind of blast till then, have faith and enjoy the ride if possible. my couple of cents.

Great post, spoken from experiance

it was so much harder back then when there was no internet

Was it ever! A little had to go a long way. And lets not fool ourselves into complacency that we will have the net from now until the job is done

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=1520&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38643

The free flow of truth being the one thing the system cannot withstand...

[cleft_asunder]

I've noticed this on the Forum, there are some highly intelligent people here, could it be you need to be above average intelligence to put the conspircay(the reality) together.

That's an excellent point. Not to boast or anything, but intelligence ALWAYS seems to be the key to doing things right.

[cleft_asunder]

I find the best way is to plant "seeds" here and there gauge responses and go from there. If you blast them with information you can fry their circuits and they can switch off to anything you have to say.
I personally call our leaders psychopaths (which is what they are no matter how you look at it) and call them on their behaviour. I will also engage in small talk to show that I'm not some nutjob and throw in some comments here and there that might make them think a bit harder of the situation we find ourselves in.

If people are intrested they might question you some more, and slowly they begin to awaken. If they don't and you can see that they couldn't give a damn about anything I just leave them alone.

This simplifying it somewhat and it depends from person but start small.

Just my two cents. :)


Yes, you're absolutely correct. It's all about planting seeds. If the seed doesn't develope, either it wasn't a good one planted by you, or that individual is the type that will only be convinced when it's blatantly obvious.

[cleft_asunder]

Well put Neuotron.

Took me along time to understand what I now know.
If someone had started talking to me about these subjects, before I knew anything about it, maybe I would of turned off too.

When you start to explain one thing, it almost always leads onto another, then another because it's all connected.

It's alot of information to take in, the verbal way isn't quick enough, that's why we need people like David I to write books.

And that's why the conspiracy is easy to uphold, because it is so huge and rediculous that only a few strong minds could contemplate it.

[a fine naked fellow]

You are like me cleft asunder, I have no sympathy for girls who take it in the butt
Because they think they will still be a virgin afterward.

I don’t tell anybody anything unless they ask, or I’m feeling frisky.

[cheeb]

I agre with this seed analogy 99% as a metaphore
Anectdotally we are planting seeds and doing cuttings at the tree nursury where i work
The seeds have a very unsucessful rate of germination
Annecdote again we planted over a whole field of gelder rose seed that didnt "take"only to find the next year the field was full of gelder rose.so i suppose some seeds take longer to germinate!
My analogy would be cuttings, which are 100~% sucessful
We planted cuttings of willows last year and today when i looked they are mature trees 15_ 20 ft high.
So for me i will take a cutting from; David Icke, Henry Mcow Richard dawkins Michael Tsarion'Jasper FFord and a new species ive just found _ sign of the times and see how these grow.
I call our leaders psychopaths
I see where you are coming from but to many its a loaded word oftenpre seeded by "axe weilding"so here is the dictionarys defination for those who dont know

Psy- cho-path- a person with an anti social personality disorder,manifested in agressive,perverted,criminal,or amoral behaviour without empathy or remorse .

sociopath maybe not so loaded.

how apt ...

hope this doesnt sound pedantic'but your responses on the other thread were a breath of fresh air.

[bigus_dickus]

you know what

our thoughts are timeless. they don't exist in the particular time line that we experience, but they exist always, before the past, after the future, in the eternal now. they extend to infinity and remain there, overlapping, conflicting or adding, forming realities, that slowly arrive to our dimension. this is no joke, it is real. makes me wonder, how many negative thoughts have i already put there into infinity... no more!

they are available to everyone, everyone receives them vibes and everyone is affected. think, for example, that you are telepathic without being aware of it. what kind of mind state do you project to the world?

[ho1ogram]

G'day cleft_asunder, here is my take on your post..
Look, above all, I love truth. I wouldn't trade it for the world. But when it comes to spreading it, my lips are sealed. I don't want to say anything to anyone, nor am I proactive in any way. It's the most irritating experience when I open my mouth about any of this stuff, unless I'm in a position where the other person is on the same wave-length already. The bottom line is that it is extremely difficult to convince anyone of anything no matter how well you know the facts. At the end of it all you just exhaust yourself and you feel like you hate humans with a passion.
Why not spread the love?

Who needs convincing? Do you know what is best for others?

I don't know, it's a complicated thing. On one hand I want to share this most amazing knowledge, but on the other I don't feel like most deserve it. To take it deeper, only those who already know are the ones who are going to be convinced. If you weren't able to figure it out by yourself, I'm not going to hold your hand. Many of these people aren't even curious enough to think about what's really happening on this planet, because they have no hunger for truth. Their lives are no different than animals. When they are hungry, they eat. When they are thirsty, they drink. When they are tired, they sleep. And they are content . Nothing drives me more nuts than someone who is content with the crumbs the masters have given him. If I had a choice, I would prefer that they not be given the truth. They don't deserve it.


It sounds like your making it complicated..if you want to speak the truth then speak it. I think you are making excuses so you don't have to be all you can be and speak the truth as you know it. You sound scared and are projecting it onto others "I don't want to hold your hand.." "they don't deserve it"

If I had a choice, I would prefer that they not be given the truth. They don't deserve it.
Oh it must be so hard being the keeper of the knowledge while the ignorant masses walk below you. ;) sorry mate, that's what it sounds like.

You know, I really do believe Organic Portals exist. I really do believe that half our population are nothing more than bio-computers without conciousness, who were created to unknowingly manipulate society to the Illuminati's end. They are the ones who you will never convince of anything outside the norm. Although you find them everywhere, they are the ones you'll find at the top of corporations. They have no true morality and are easily able to climb the ladder. Also they have a group mind that takes orders from the Matrix. That is how the Illuminati take everything over. It makes sense this way.
If you are too frightened to speak your mind for fear of being laughed at, which is what I think is the real reason behind this thread, aren't you one of the herd? Part of the group mind? Thinking of people as bio computers and animals sounds like what the Illuminti do, we are just food for them and they don't care about our emotions.

I don't want to spread the truth. Then don't.

There are many paths to the truth, and many truths along the way. Just because people don't look like they are searching doesn't mean they aren't. Remember David Icke was a football player and then a newsreader and look what he managed to discover, and all without you holding his hand!

Convincing people used to be a goal of mine till someone said to me that convincing others is just a way one is trying to convince their own self... in other words if you believe your truth, then you have no need to convince anyone else... just speak your truth without the need to change the minds of others. After all you don't want people to change your mind..it's your mind after all. :)
Love, h.

Btw - when I am hungry I eat, when I am thirsty I drink and when I am tired I sleep. It makes perfect sense to me. And I am becoming more content each day.
When they are hungry, they eat. When they are thirsty, they drink. When they are tired, they sleep. And they are content .

[aznality]

To the topic starter,

I know where you are getting at in a way. I'll talk a little about my opinion, but please don't take it as an attack towards yours okay? =)

Trust me, I get a lotta of the rejection about the truth in people too. People just believe what they want and it is very shocking to see how they only listen to one side of the argument. If you tell them they aren't seeing the entire picture as they are not looking at both sides (or more than two sides), they think you are being a little too farfetched. Even my own brother thinks I am crazy sometimes. He chooses to believe official science and their claims about reality. If I present some valid points to him, he dismisses it way too easily.

Yes, at times I do get annoyed. The truth is in front of their eyes, yet they cannot see it. But honestly, I don't care what they think anymore. I'm like David when my objective is to provide the info and they can make whatever they want out of it.

Don't get me wrong, but in a way your post comes across a little pessimistic from my view. My point is that if you don't try and don't believe you could, you won't. If you at least have the belief you can make a difference, that belief is more powerful than you could imagine.

You know, sometimes you do encounter open-minded people and that's really great. I have a few friends who are intelligent enough to listen out to my points of view, even though some of them agree and some don't. But when you do have the oppurtunity to state your views, go for it. =) It doesn't matter if they are going to accept it. It doesn't hurt either way.

Thanks for reading!