Are christians mentally ill?

[talkingchimp]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

[fenriswulf]

Perhaps we should start a door knocking group to spread the message, and offer help?
Sorry I jest. Indeed it is a possibility, but the same can be said of others who are seeking for meaning and depth in life.
Very few people are willing to accept the possibility that their life may simply be a random biological chance and nothing more. People want there to be something more and look for another explanation.

[krakhead]

Do you think it's just Christians? I'd consider ANYONE with an absolute belief in anything to be.....well let's say odd! ;)

[steevo]

Depends what you mean by "mentally ill".

No, GENERALLY SPEAKING Christians are NOT mentally ill IMO.They are just very brainwashed and manipulated just like most of the rest of the population. From what I have experienced of them they just want to do the right thing. Most of us on here were probably brought up as christians (or religious in some way) but WE got wise to how the bible is used to manipulate us.
Christians are sheeple IMO They will wake up one day and it will shock them to the core but sadly I reckon that they would still NOT give up their religion UNTIL they had someone else to follow cos they have been brought up to look outside of themselves for all the answers.

[eternal_spirit]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

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Compared to the practices and customs of most other major religions ( do your reaseach on these if you haven't allready ) the majority of Christians are fairly sane. Well the one's I've known and most in the UK, so I can only speak from my own experiences.

[pilgrim]

Like everyone else, every "Christian" is an individual human-being.
Why do you feel the need to LABEL and CONDEMN an entire section of humanity just because you no not understand them, or disagree with them?
Sounds a bit fascistic to me. Thank God you're not in control!
Remember, there is a world of difference between a "Christian" Con-Man Tele-Evangalist Preacher, and a person who just tries to be kind, compassionate, etc, like Jesus Christ.

[empyblessing]

This is subjective. It would first require a definition of mental illness and a definition of Christian. Then it would only require a simple comparison to determine; however, not all psychologists concur on the definition of mental illness and certainly not all "Christian" groups agree with what is christian. Do Catholics believe that any other religions is truly christian? Do baptists? Given enough time all of the denominations of christianity will form an entirely different religion.

Also, it isn't appropriate to simply denote christians only, as many muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. could fit the category. Perhaps, it would be more fitting instead to label it as religious zealotry as a whole. But who would fit the category and what would be the consequence? Are psychologists going to start issuing medication to people who believe in mortification of the flesh? What about the serpent handlers in the American south? This labeling falls into dangerous territory as it is a huge leap toward full on religious persecution.

In the current (read: defunct) system of psychology any and all mental illness is treated aggressively with dangerous pharmaceuticals and costly psychotherapy. Even if someone agrees that religious zealotry is a mental illness, is anything going to be bettered by proliferating more people into the mental health area?

[thirdwave]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

simply mislead

and the further they go the harder it is to come back.

[cycles of time]

there is nothing wrong with culture and tradition and the belief in a higher power/ creation entity.

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

there brainwashed

[optimus pigpot]

This is subjective. It would first require a definition of mental illness and a definition of Christian. Then it would only require a simple comparison to determine; however, not all psychologists concur on the definition of mental illness and certainly not all "Christian" groups agree with what is christian. Do Catholics believe that any other religions is truly christian? Do baptists? Given enough time all of the denominations of christianity will form an entirely different religion.

Also, it isn't appropriate to simply denote christians only, as many muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. could fit the category. Perhaps, it would be more fitting instead to label it as religious zealotry as a whole. But who would fit the category and what would be the consequence? Are psychologists going to start issuing medication to people who believe in mortification of the flesh? What about the serpent handlers in the American south? This labeling falls into dangerous territory as it is a huge leap toward full on religious persecution.

In the current (read: defunct) system of psychology any and all mental illness is treated aggressively with dangerous pharmaceuticals and costly psychotherapy. Even if someone agrees that religious zealotry is a mental illness, is anything going to be bettered by proliferating more people into the mental health area?

Absolute fucking nutters same as all the rest. See my thread on religion about greenleafs post.

[octopusrex]

I would say: the human race of this time and place is completely kaput im kopf.

[madthumbs]

It is said that people turn to God in their hour of need. In other words, a make believe friend helps get them through a tough time. I've been there, done that, and am ashamed in the choice of a friend I made.

[may37]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill

The main problem with Christianity is that they think their way is the only path; they are completely wrong. Christianity is merely a hotchpotch of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jewish faith, etc, all cooked up to suit a different time period.

[thirdwave]

there is nothing wrong with culture and tradition and the belief in a higher power/ creation entity.

there is when it limits what you can believe.

[romas]

This is subjective. It would first require a definition of mental illness and a definition of Christian. Then it would only require a simple comparison to determine; however, not all psychologists concur on the definition of mental illness and certainly not all "Christian" groups agree with what is christian. Do Catholics believe that any other religions is truly christian? Do baptists? Given enough time all of the denominations of christianity will form an entirely different religion.

Also, it isn't appropriate to simply denote christians only, as many muslims, jews, buddhists, etc. could fit the category. Perhaps, it would be more fitting instead to label it as religious zealotry as a whole. But who would fit the category and what would be the consequence? Are psychologists going to start issuing medication to people who believe in mortification of the flesh? What about the serpent handlers in the American south? This labeling falls into dangerous territory as it is a huge leap toward full on religious persecution.

In the current (read: defunct) system of psychology any and all mental illness is treated aggressively with dangerous pharmaceuticals and costly psychotherapy. Even if someone agrees that religious zealotry is a mental illness, is anything going to be bettered by proliferating more people into the mental health area?


I agree, I think this new age brings us to new level, level where we no longer judge people based on their belief/skin/physical looks etc. As long as they are not affecting you directly why even pay attention? This urge to force people under your will/belief/unbelief is what got us into troubles in the first place.

I was born in a christian family, I was never zealous to the point now I just believe the ultimate creator, as I see it, the whole problem is what is in between you and your god, witch is church or false prophets, like phonies on TV, choose your god, be happy, live and let live!

Religion type seems like an easy way out, sort of fast food for spirit. You have these "sins" and you have these ways to "redeem" them, when in fact it is YOU that you must face with what YOU have done.

Look at mafia members, very religious? Is this an oxymoron or what? You killed someone and now you think you can "wash" it off by donating the money you stole? Are people just fooling themselves?

Research abit about these pre-death experiences, very interesting subject.

[element]

Religion type seems like an easy way out, sort of fast food for spirit.

:)

,very bad fast food i have to add.

[phildee3]

Depends what you mean by "mentally ill".



Depends what you mean by "Christians."

[eternal_spirit]

Depends what you mean by "Christians."
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Do you think the word Rosicrucian rose croix etc is connected to the word Christian? Cruxifician?

Christian Rosenkreuz ( spelling? ) the mythical man and his adventures

[thirdwave]

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Do you think the word Rosicrucian rose croix etc is connected to the word Christian? Cruxifician?

Christian Rosenkreuz ( spelling? ) the mythical man and his adventures

LOL

....ahhhh dear....

[steevo]

Depends what you mean by "Christians."

I suppose it does really :D

[phildee3]

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Do you think the word Rosicrucian rose croix etc is connected to the word Christian? Cruxifician?



Interesting question.
Crux is Latin, meaning cross.
Christos is Greek, formed from the letters chi (x) and rho (p).
So, yes; even though they are from two different languages they would appear to be connected.

[phildee3]

Depends what you mean by "Christians."



If you mean these people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgvgjfwyPs&feature=related

I would say yes!

But in my opinion, these are not Christians; they just claim to be.

[wolfchild]

christians live there life out of the bible! its not there fault! i too was brought up to believe in a simliar way but all these so called fairy tales just did not add up.
(why always in the day did these so called miracles happen to be)
(bull shit'' thats why)
once the human race realise that we are energy operating through a biological physical human space suit then all religeons will apple crumble.

[tinmenace]

Depends what you mean by "Christians."


Agreed. I know a lot of level-headed Christians that are peaceful and loving beings. The don't try force their religion on me and they support me in me non- belief of relgion.

However, if being Christian also means that you support Zionism, then you're mentally and spiritually fucked.

[steevo]

Agreed. I know a lot of level-headed Christians that are peaceful and loving beings. The don't try force their religion on me and they support me in me non- belief of relgion.

However, if being Christian also means that you support Zionism, then you're mentally and spiritually fucked.





I agree with everything you say there :), and the last bit made me chuckle so thanks for that Tin :D

[phildee3]

if being Christian also means that you support Zionism, then you're mentally and spiritually fucked.



Being Christian has nothing at all to do with supporting any political ideology.
That's why Anglicanism is fucked; - because of it's association with Unionism.

[octopusrex]

Alright...

If some dude comes down with 144,000 winged warriors with mystical powers and wants to set up shop on planet earth (calling himself Christ) I'd say...

OKAY!

However.....

If some serpentine dragon-dude comes down kickin' ass and takin' names I'd say okay too.

[tinmenace]

Being Christian has nothing at all to do with supporting any political ideology.
That's why Anglicanism is fucked; - because of it's association with Unionism.

But see, they don't see it as political. They see it as the "word of God". That's how brainwashed they are.

[tinmenace]

I agree with everything you say there :), and the last bit made me chuckle so thanks for that Tin :D

Chuckles rule! :D

[madthumbs]

Agreed. I know a lot of level-headed Christians that are peaceful and loving beings. The don't try force their religion on me and they support me in me non- belief of relgion.

However, if being Christian also means that you support Zionism, then you're mentally and spiritually fucked.





Funny how there's so many definitions of Christianity, but all appear to serve Zionism whether they come across as for it or against it.

[phildee3]

But see, they don't see it as political. They see it as the "word of God". That's how brainwashed they are.



Who do you mean as "they"? - Anglicans?

I don't agree. They seem, to me, to be primarily political. They don't give consideration to the "word of God" at all. In one ear and out the other?
It doesn't even go in the one ear!!

Now if you're talking about the American style, fundamentalist, televangelist
types - I agree.

[phildee3]

Funny how there's so many definitions of Christianity, but all appear to serve Zionism whether they come across as for it or against it.



That's because you are seeing what you want to see.

[deathcultreject]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

I live in Britain, 21st century,

erm, I don't like to be stuck in the same room as a christian and a guitar.

[tinmenace]

Who do you mean as "they"? - Anglicans?

I don't agree. They seem, to me, to be primarily political. They don't give consideration to the "word of God" at all. In one ear and out the other?
It doesn't even go in the one ear!!

Now if you're talking about the American style, fundamentalist, televangelist
types - I agree.

I can only speak from my own experience, and almost without exception, every "Christian" that I know or have met supports the existence of Israel.

Almost without exception.

[phildee3]

I can only speak from my own experience, and almost without exception, every "Christian" that I know or have met supports the existence of Israel.



True.
"Christians" do.

Christians don't.

Neither do the genuine practitioners of any religion; -
including Jews.

True religion concerns the spiritual; -
politics is the domain of the secular, material world.

The religious leaders who involve themselves are false prophets.

[amethyst]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

Yes, most definitely! Especially me! :D

And so is everyone on this forum! We're all a little touched in the head!

(we just don't want to admit it)

[romas]

Agreed, self criticism is very healthy imo.

[element]

Christians grow up

1. learn that's it's a friggin' updated version of astrology and older faiths
2. learn that christianity has been used as a tool to conquer and convert the world
3. god and devil are no realtime action figures, it's symbolic


Get free, there is simply no religion that will tell the world what to do. When you get 10 people to look at a movie, they will all view it differently. Religions don't let you do that, you have to look at that movie the same way as you fellow brainwashed 'brothers'.

.

[madthumbs]

That's because you are seeing what you want to see.

I'm not the one with eternal bliss as a motivating factor.

[element]

True religion concerns the spiritual

False.

True spirituality is a search for yourself. Religion is about tradition and dogmatic views, symbolism that's been taken literally and as a source to divide and conquer. Tell me one religion that does concers the spiritual? Yeah, buddhism and some less 'famous' other ones. But the big religions are a huge failure, incl. christianity, judaism and islam.

[octopusrex]

Like I said before: WWIII is the 11th Hour for Religion.

[phildee3]

True spirituality is a search for yourself.

Religion is about tradition and dogmatic views,



True,

but I said true religion.

re = again
ligio = to join

Sounds like your definition of true spirituality to me.



the big religions are a huge failure, incl. christianity, judaism and islam.



Yeh, because they were hijacked by evil control freaks.

[phildee3]

Tell me one religion that does concers the spiritual?



Original Christianity.

[element]

Yeh, because they were hijacked by evil control freaks.

Why are those three all the same? Should we fuse those three in one religion? Should fix things....

Truth is....your worshipping Egyptian religion.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Why are those three all the same? Should we fuse those three in one religion? Should fix things....

Truth is....your worshipping Egyptian religion.


Hi Element:

The FACT is: They are not the same, they are vastly and profoundly different.

I can personally ascertain that Judaism is not based upon any Egyptian Religion, is in FACT, the opposite.

In the conspiratainment section, Archaya Blog thread, I posted some info you may wish to examine.

[phildee3]

Should we fuse those three in one religion?



The NWO would love that!



Truth is....your worshipping Egyptian religion.

One does not worship a religion,
but yes, I know what you mean, much of Christianity comes from the Egyptians.
Jesus spent his formative, childhood years there.

[element]

The NWO would love that you say, I think they love it more when there's some diversion in religions and holy wars wil come in the future. And what's your definition of 'NWO' and what's behind it and what for?

Jesus spend his time in Egypt? LoL, yeah and the same when they say he spend his time in India?


The Bible does not say anything about it, so if you challenge your bible you're already sinning. It's the true word of a 'god' remember?

If there's one mistake (the bible got a dozen actually) the core of it is corrupted.

[eternal_spirit]

So, would you rather have your 8 day baby boys genitally mutilated and your women too. How about Shariah Law, a Pilgrimage to Mecca to get off on the Kabba:rolleyes:

How about getting down on the floor and praying to Mecca 5 times a day....this is the context of my previous comment. If you're Jew fund the death of the Palestinians ( although that would stop some of them genitally mutilating their women! and boys! ) Some Jews give willing out of their own pockets to fund death ( tax payers cannot stop their Government's funding Wars BIG difference!)

How about Hinduism, you could of been born a low caste ( the untouchables who are treated with no respect, a so called Holy man would pass them in the street if they where dying! And half the other superstious bloody idiots wouldn't help for fear of incuring Karma!

I can't speak on behalf of all denominations/group/versions of Christianity, only from my own experiences as a Catholic and knowing the usual Protestant, Methodists that I grew up with, there really isn't much difference between the three in my lifetime.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THANK FUCK I WAS BORN CHRISTIAN AND NOT SOME SICKER RELIGION!

What was my initiation into Christianity? I was a tiny baby and the priest splashed some holy water onto my head, oh the shock the horror omg! What dispicable evil! This barbaric ritual of Baptism must be stopped LOL!

And don't even get me started on Satanism and occult ceromonies follow links on my signature for details.

BTW before the resident anti-christs have a go. I don't do bible, church, pray etc, I'm not at all religious.

[adramelech]

In a basic sense, religion can be defined as a mental illness, yes.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1867

http://www.chowk.com/articles/10960

More accurately, religion is a widespread memetic virus of mental delusion that is spread between cultures and generations by design.

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html



Jesus spend his time in Egypt? LoL, yeah and the same when they say he spend his time in India?


The Bible does not say anything about it, so if you challenge your bible you're already sinning. It's the true word of a 'god' remember?

If there's one mistake (the bible got a dozen actually) the core of it is corrupted.

I'm far from a person who is going to defend such things, but original Christianity, as referenced by phildee3, has about as much to do with the modern Bible as a book about railroad tracks. At least learn about something before you tear it down.

[eternal_spirit]

The irony is conspiracists/occultists/Masons have their books, which are like Bibles and could be considered a faith. Some of us have been through and changed faiths, which is kind of like we have our favourites depending what topics we're researching at the time.

I'd like to view myself as a Universal combined faith kind of Conspiracist/truthseeker :D There are many amongst us here brothers and sisters.

Some religionists would view us as mental :eek: And say we base much of our beliefs on faith, not facts!

[phildee3]

The NWO would love that you say, I think they love it more when there's some diversion in religions and holy wars wil come in the future.



They don't need different religions.
They can pit different sects against each other just as well.



Jesus spend his time in Egypt? LoL, yeah and the same when they say he spend his time in India?



Egypt as a child,
India in his teens or twenties.
He also visited England two or three times.



The Bible does not say anything about it, so if you challenge your bible you're already sinning. It's the true word of a 'god' remember?



Rubbish.
Neither does it say that he drank water on his nineteenth birthday.
Doesn't mean that he didn't!



If there's one mistake (the bible got a dozen actually) the core of it is corrupted.



More rubbish.

There's a hell of a lot more than a dozen.
Some intentional - like the Romans did to promote mass fear as a control mechanism,
some out of ignorance (in translation, etc).
Doesn't mean it's corrupt at it's core.

[eternal_spirit]

That's the irony Romans would throw Chrsitians to the Lions. Bible may well have originated in Egypt/Babylon ( same place of origins of Talmud ) and of course the theory/fact? ( facts are so difficult to be proven as facts ancient history and different versions) Old Testatment = Judaism-Islam and Christianity, plus a whole load of "occultic literature and texts" Oh an part of Freemasonry!

[phildee3]

That's the irony Romans would throw Chrsitians to the Lions. Bible may well have originated in Egypt/Babylon ( same place of origins of Talmud ) and of course the theory/fact? ( facts are so difficult to be proven as facts ancient history and different versions) Old Testatment = Judaism-Islam and Christianity, plus a whole load of "occultic literature and texts" Oh an part of Freemasonry!



Freemasonry has it's roots in Egyptian religion, certainly.
It's very similar to Christianity; - and hijacked in the same way.

I've heard it said that Joseph was not a poor "carpenter" but rather a well-to-do mason (a master of the craft).

Makes sense.

Mary's uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, was a wealthy metals trader and was very involved with the holy family who were high ranking Essenes.
Many expected Jesus to inherit the throne of his forefather, David.

[eternal_spirit]

Freemasonry has it's roots in Egyptian religion, certainly.
It's very similar to Christianity; - and hijacked in the same way.

I've heard it said that Joseph was not a poor "carpenter" but rather a well-to-do mason (a master of the craft).

Makes sense.

Mary's uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, was a wealthy metals trader and was very involved with the holy family who were high ranking Essenes.
Many expected Jesus to inherit the throne of his forefather, David.

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Cool. Essenes - meaning Masons! The sound of the spoken word ( very similar ) not the spelling.

[phildee3]

Cool. Essenes - meaning Masons!



No.
Masonry - out of Egypt.
Essene - a sect of Judaism (not out of Egypt).

Joseph would have been an Essene first - by birth.
Learned the craft while in Egypt.

[optimus pigpot]

They don't need different religions.
They can pit different sects against each other just as well.



Egypt as a child,
India in his teens or twenties.
He also visited England two or three times.



Rubbish.
Neither does it say that he drank water on his nineteenth birthday.
Doesn't mean that he didn't!



More rubbish.

There's a hell of a lot more than a dozen.
Some intentional - like the Romans did to promote mass fear as a control mechanism,
some out of ignorance (in translation, etc).
Doesn't mean it's corrupt at it's core.

Jesus didn't go anywhere because he never lived. Came to fucking England, of course and which airport did he land at? Heathrow I suppose?

Phildee3, you are a really lovely person. I just wish you'd give up the claptrap.

Jesus never was real. Simple. End of. It's a major stumbling block for you I know but please for your sake, be the next one to open your eyes.

Love Op.

[phildee3]

Much love, one love, peace and all the other bollocks and trimmings that I don't really mean....



Which, of course, negates every posting you've ever made.



Jesus didn't go anywhere because he never lived.



Jesus can go anywhere because he lives.



Came to fucking England, of course and which airport did he land at? Heathrow I suppose?



If you like. If that's your truth.

One of the sacred places that he landed is at St. Just in Roseland, Cornwall.
An amazing place of pilgrimage where all the flora are tripled in size.



Phildee3, you are a really lovely person. I just wish you'd give up the claptrap.

Jesus never was real.



What is?

Nothing that was.

Only that which still is, and always was...



be the next one to open your eyes.



My eyes are open.

All I see with them is illusion.

When you open your eye, you will see the truth.

Love Phil

[optimus pigpot]

Which, of course, negates every posting you've ever made.



Jesus can go anywhere because he lives.



If you like. If that's your truth.

One of the sacred places that he landed is at St. Just in Roseland, Cornwall.
An amazing place of pilgrimage where all the flora are tripled in size.



What is?

Nothing that was.

Only that which still is, and always was...



My eyes are open.

All I see with them is illusion.

When you open your eye, you will see the truth.

Love Phil

I won't bother anymore...... Oh!! Hang on how about Mohammed do you "BELIEVE" he's telling the truth, or any of the rest of them? How about Yisrayl Hawkins, do you believe he's telling the truth?

Op.

[element]

to the christian(s);

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries? Please enlighten me...
what are your takes on..


astrology
earth 6000 years old
dinosaurs
reincarnatinon
god and devil
egypt and sumeria and the same virgin mother/baby stories


And what are your own experiences? What things have you discovered that lead you to thruth, and don't start with books you read or what the pastor tells you, no blind faith counts. Tell me YOUR discoveries if you like to.

[phildee3]

how about Mohammed do you "BELIEVE" he's telling the truth, or any of the rest of them? How about Yisrayl Hawkins, do you believe he's telling the truth?



The Truth is not something that can be told, -
only realised.

[optimus pigpot]

to the christian(s);

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries? Please enlighten me...
what are your takes on..


astrology
earth 6000 years old
dinosaurs
reincarnatinon
god and devil
egypt and sumeria and the same virgin mother/baby stories


And what are your own experiences? What things have you discovered that lead you to thruth, and don't start with books you read or what the pastor tells you, no blind faith counts. Tell me YOUR discoveries if you like to.

...... for the past several hundred posts.

Welcome element. Maybe I can have a rest for a while. Please take it to these misguided twats....... The floor is yours. Spare none of them.

Again welcome. Op.

[phildee3]

to the christian(s);

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries? Please enlighten me...
what are your takes on..


astrology
earth 6000 years old
dinosaurs
reincarnatinon
god and devil
egypt and sumeria and the same virgin mother/baby stories


And what are your own experiences? What things have you discovered that lead you to thruth, and don't start with books you read or what the pastor tells you, no blind faith counts. Tell me YOUR discoveries if you like to.

Is this an assignment?
A commission?

Please contact my manager for a quote on the estimated time that this project will take, and my hourly rate.

We will also need a contract to define all the perameters within which I'm permitted to work.

[phildee3]

to the christian(s);

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries? Please enlighten me...
what are your takes on..


astrology
earth 6000 years old
dinosaurs
reincarnatinon
god and devil
egypt and sumeria and the same virgin mother/baby stories


And what are your own experiences? What things have you discovered that lead you to thruth, and don't start with books you read or what the pastor tells you, no blind faith counts. Tell me YOUR discoveries if you like to.

okay, okay.
- but one question at a time, please.

Firstly, I am a Christian.
I do not speak for others.

Astrology:

12 houses
12 signs
12 disciples
12 apostles
12 knights of the Round Table
12 crew of a starship

It's all the same thing, just different terms to express it.

[element]

Is this an assignment?
A commission?

Please contact my manager for a quote on the estimated time that this project will take, and my hourly rate.

We will also need a contract to define all the perameters within which I'm permitted to work.

No, these are some questions and I would like to hear a christian answering to this.

Manager? estimated time? this project? Mate, these are just some questions you can answer, what's the big deal?

And you are here now on this forum, and I saw you here frequently, so you do have the time to respond to this.

Ofcourse it is sunday, and if you cannot be behind your computer right now I can understand, we can continue tomorrow.
Happy singing in the church and see you next time.

[element]

okay, okay.
- but one question at a time, please.

Firstly, I am a Christian.
I do not speak for others.

Astrology:

12 houses
12 signs
12 disciples
12 apostles
12 knights of the Round Table
12 crew of a starship

It's all the same thing, just different terms to express it.

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 says, "If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of His covenant, and contrary to my command has worshipped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil to your city gate and stone that person to death."

Isaiah 47:12-15: "Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those star-gazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you - these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you." God is saying that they are going to be so consumed by the fire that they won't even be worth a coal to warm over. They are going to go up fast in smoke. That's God's attitude toward astrology, star gazing, monthly predictions.

It's quite funny , that your own 'holy' book, written or inspired by a 'god' is full of astrology.

I don't want to write a full story myself but here are some examples: http://www.librarising.com/spirituality/bible.html


I call of these so called believers complete ignorant. You really think our solar system is a complete work of coincidence. That stars, planets, sun and moon are just there for nothing and some sunlight? Christians sounds a lot like their enemies called scientists, ofcourse no wonder, both come from the same source!

[phildee3]

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries?



It's massive.
It would take a large book.
There are many pieces of evidence, any one (or handful) of which would be easy to dismiss as "coincidence," "delusion," etc. but as a whole form a preponderence of evidence (which is the best that any scientist can do!).

You just missed one that I mentioned, - the huge flowers at St. Just.

Then there's the legend itself.
Sure someone could have made it up, but over time, as you look at other legends that evolved independently you see commonalities, - that the same truth is behind the heroic/embellished stories.

I'm not going to argue with sceptics/debunkers. It's a waste of time and gets nowhere. To get the answer to this question one must have an interest in the topic, aprroach it with an open, inquisitive mind and take the time to do the research.
Travelling to the sacred sites is also important, - to experience the locus genii firsthand.

[phildee3]

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 says, "If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of His covenant, and contrary to my command has worshipped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil to your city gate and stone that person to death."

Isaiah 47:12-15: "Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those star-gazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you - these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you." God is saying that they are going to be so consumed by the fire that they won't even be worth a coal to warm over. They are going to go up fast in smoke. That's God's attitude toward astrology, star gazing, monthly predictions.

It's quite funny , that your own 'holy' book, written or inspired by a 'god' is full of astrology.



Not my holy book.
I'm not a Jew.

and this is excellent, thank you:

http://www.librarising.com/spirituality/bible.html



I call of these so called believers complete ignorant. You really think our solar system is a complete work of coincidence. That stars, planets, sun and moon are just there for nothing and some sunlight?



Who are you talking about?
Not Christians like Rudolf Steiner!!



Christians sounds a lot like their enemies called scientists,



Anthroposophy is both. No conflict between astronomical/astrological science and Christianity there.



ofcourse no wonder, both come from the same source!



Everything comes from the same source!

[element]

Not my holy book.
I'm not a Jew.

and this is excellent, thank you:

http://www.librarising.com/spirituality/bible.html




You're not a Jew maybe, but those texts are still part of the bible.

Bible Verses Often Used to Support AstrologyGenesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:"

Genesis 37:9 "And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me."

Judges 5:20 "They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses(transits) fought against Sisera.

Job 38:31-33 "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth(the Zodiac) in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Psalms 8:3 "When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;"

Psalms 147:4 "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names."

Jeremiah 31:35 "Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night..."

Matthew 2:1-2 "...there came wise men(astrologers/magicians)from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."

Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars;..."

I Corinthians 15:41 "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory."


Bible Verses Often Used to Discredit Astrology
Leviticus 19:26 "Ye shall not eat anything with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Deuteronomy 4:16-19 "Lest ye corrupt yourselves,...And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 18:10 "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,"

Isaiah 47:13-14 "Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognostigators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it."


Why are there so many differents? First it's like ''hey astrology is good, check it out!'' and then ''curse it, it's the devil!''

You may not be a Jew, but it's still a part of your book. That's what I asked, why should it be considered a 'holy' book when there are so many contradictions and errors? It is part of older esotoric knowledge, I agree, but christians should stop saying and preaching it's the all and only way to truth and whole humanity should do so or else burn as witches.

You may not say this, but many christians do. Don't take this all personal please. I'm questioning the christian religion.

[phildee3]

Most popularist astrology is piffle, of course.
As with Christianity, you need to get back as close as possible to it's origins to find any degree of authenticity.

The origin of astrology was astronomy.
The first division of the sky into houses was based on the constellations which they occupied, each being of a different size (size having nothing to do with potency).
Any serious astrologer will be using the astronmical houses. It' a much more effective system than using the arbitrary, thirty-degree divisions.

[phildee3]

You may not be a Jew, but it's still a part of your book.



No it's not.
The "Bible," as you know it, is the book of the Roman Catholics - and all the sects that have broken away from it since they compiled it.

I am not a Roman Catholic, nor do I belong to any of the sects to which I refer.



That's what I asked, why should it be considered a 'holy' book when there are so many contradictions and errors?
It is part of older esotoric knowledge, I agree,



That's why!! See, you have the answers yourself...

and the truths contained within that "esoteric knowledge" have such a power that they survive the bombardment of the evil manipulations of the devil himself (or whatever you want to call him/it) which result in nothing more than pathetic little "contradictions" and "errors"! That's some power!



but christians should stop saying and preaching it's the all and only way to truth



I agree.
Everybody who insists that their way is the way we all should be should stop.
People who do that are insecure.
They need others around them to confirm that their beliefs are correct because they are unsure themselves.

That's not Christianity to me.
True Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ, -
and when you have that there's absolute certainty and no need for a support group.



I'm questioning the christian religion.



The true church is secret and invisible.

Any group that you question is a false church.

[thirdwave]

to the christian(s);

Where is your evidence of jesus going to those countries? Please enlighten me...
what are your takes on..


astrology
earth 6000 years old
dinosaurs
reincarnatinon
god and devil
egypt and sumeria and the same virgin mother/baby stories


And what are your own experiences? What things have you discovered that lead you to thruth, and don't start with books you read or what the pastor tells you, no blind faith counts. Tell me YOUR discoveries if you like to.


This is where faith and ignorance go hand in hand.... you will never get an answer for these.... as they will happily use info created by the PTB to help re enforce their faith in somone else.

[thirdwave]

Crowley - The Equinox of the Gods

(speaking about Christ....)

“Refuse the Law, you put yourself beyond its pale. It is the Law that Jesus Christ, or rather the Gnostic tradition of which the Christ-legend is a degradation, attempted to teach; but nearly every word he said was misinterpreted and garbled by his enemies, particularly by those who called themselves his disciples.”

[phildee3]

you will never get an answer for these.... as they will happily use info created by the PTB



I've already answered the first two,
and didn't use "info created by the PTB."

[thirdwave]

I've already answered the first two,
and didn't use "info created by the PTB."

you have basicly said you do not follow the bible as we know it, as that's a Roman catholic thing so what thing do you follow.. what bible would you recommend?

[eternal_spirit]

you have basicly said you do not follow the bible as we know it, as that's a Roman catholic thing so what thing do you follow.. what bible would you recommend?
...................

This is a common miss-conception. I don't know any Catholics that religiously follow the Bible.

Jehovas Witnesses ( Jehova is Yaweh ) which is really Judasim, Islam and Hindus follow their religous texts and are controlled much more than most Catholics. Catholics are intitatied by baptsim a splash of water to the head. Islam they mutilate the genitals of men and women, Judaism is the same circumcision that is their initiation into their demonic evil religions.

TW you're looking for evil in the wrong places.

[thirdwave]

...................

This is a common miss-conception. I don't know any Catholics that religiously follow the Bible.

Jehovas Witnesses ( Jehova is Yaweh ) which is really Judasim, Islam and Hindus follow their religous texts and are controlled much more than most Catholics. Catholics are intitatied by baptsim a splash of water to the head. Islam they mutilate the genitals of men and women, Judaism is the same circumcision that is their initiation into their demonic evil religions.

TW you're looking for evil in the wrong places.

first of all, Im not looking for evil at all... let alone in this place.... not sure what on earth that meant...

and second of all, if Catholics (people that regard them selves as a Catholic) do not follow the bible. then what makes them a catholic?

[eternal_spirit]

first of all, Im not looking for evil at all... let alone in this place.... not sure what on earth that meant...

and second of all, if Catholics (people that regard them selves as a Catholic) do not follow the bible. then what makes them a catholic?
..........

Okay wrong thread I may have been bit off topic.

I can only speak of my own experiences, time I was born it was the norm and the only choice was Catholic, protestant or methodist where I live same as most of the UK.
I don't know anyone who follows the religion they where baptised into. And they are not forced by any laws to participate in said relgion, they are free to go do as they choose.

The Churches are empty now guess people don't feel any need to practice the Bible etc. That's the way I see it Today regardless of the crap it caused people in the past.

My sister refuses to have her children baptised. I don't know if we had a choice when we where babies.

[thirdwave]

..........

Okay wrong thread I may have been bit off topic.

I can only speak of my own experiences, time I was born it was the norm and the only choice was Catholic, protestant or methodist where I live same as most of the UK.
I don't know anyone who follows the religion they where baptised into. And they are not forced by any laws to participate in said relgion, they are free to go do as they choose.

The Churches are empty now guess people don't feel any need to practice the Bible etc. That's the way I see it Today regardless of the crap it caused people in the past.

My sister refuses to have her children baptised. I don't know if we had a choice when we where babies.

but in reality you are only a chatholic/christian/muslim ..so on, If you have that faith....

I am meant to be a catholic, but im not as I do not have that faith.... just because I was born into a family that is catholic it does not make me catholic. that's an individuals choice...

anyone who chooses to be a Christian, will support the bible, if they do not than I am interested to know what they support.

[element]

True Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ, -
and when you have that there's absolute certainty and no need for a support group.



So and what is this relationship? Do you have any experiences with this? I don't need proof or anything in a '5 senses' way, but what is the benefit of it?

True spirituality is the search for yourself. You don't need to worship ANYTHING, just respect for the right things. Take the sun, the sun needs no worship but you can have respect for it, cause it's always there shining to us ALL.

You don't need another person or a religion or any kind of 'blind faith'. You need to search within, and I'm sure if you do that you will understand blind faith does not exist within spirituality. You will then have the proof, and not proof written in books or the world of matter.

Please could you tell me your experiences with it? Details are not needed, just the big lines.

And the criticism I point out here on this forum is to the religions and it's concept. If you know it is corrupted, where comes your belief in Jesus from? Why should that be trusted? Because that story got a more 'friendly' cover?

Blind faith? A feeling so another person can take care of your responsibilities?

[phildee3]

what thing do you follow.. what bible would you recommend?



I follow the living word, which comes to me through my conscience/intuition.
But this will not mean anything unless you have the relationship with Christ (see my next post).
Reading the bible is nice but it's not to be "followed."
I would recommend reading as much scripture as possible, including the apocrapha and Dead Sea scrolls.
The earlier the versions the better, but even the real early stuff in the original languages has been corrupted to some extent. You can't sort out the truth from the garbage without the relationship.

[phildee3]

what is this relationship?



Love.



Do you have any experiences with this?



Yes.



what is the benefit of it?



Salvation.



True spirituality is the search for yourself. You don't need to worship ANYTHING, just respect for the right things. Take the sun, the sun needs no worship but you can have respect for it, cause it's always there shining to us ALL.

You don't need another person or a religion or any kind of 'blind faith'. You need to search within, and I'm sure if you do that you will understand blind faith does not exist within spirituality. You will then have the proof, and not proof written in books or the world of matter.



I agree with all of this.



Please could you tell me your experiences with it? Details are not needed, just the big lines.



I wouldn't know where to start. It's so rich with experiences.
Can you be more specific? There's not enough time to do more than scratch the surface, and I feel bombarded with questions.



If you know it is corrupted, where comes your belief in Jesus from?



I don't believe.
I never believed in anything.
I know.



Why should that be trusted?



It shouldn't.
You shouldn't trust anyone when it comes to spiritual matters, imo.
You have what you are looking for within you.

[phildee3]

..........

..time I was born it was the norm and the only choice was Catholic, protestant or methodist where I live same as most of the UK.
I don't know anyone who follows the religion they where baptised into. And they are not forced by any laws to participate in said relgion, they are free to go do as they choose.

The Churches are empty now guess people don't feel any need to practice the Bible etc. That's the way I see it Today regardless of the crap it caused people in the past.

My sister refuses to have her children baptised. I don't know if we had a choice when we where babies.



Probably not.
They don't usually give babies a choice. :)

One is not baptised "into" a denomination.
There is only one baptism. If it's valid, it's the same whatever label you put on it.
The baptism of infants is to give a bubble of protection until that person can make their own decision.
No-one is committed to anything until one makes a commitment.
This is done at confirmation (the completion of baptism).

[thirdwave]

I follow the living word, which comes to me through my conscience/intuition.
But this will not mean anything unless you have the relationship with Christ (see my next post).
Reading the bible is nice but it's not to be "followed."
I would recommend reading as much scripture as possible, including the apocrapha and Dead Sea scrolls.
The earlier the versions the better, but even the real early stuff in the original languages has been corrupted to some extent. You can't sort out the truth from the garbage without the relationship.

Ok, so how how do you know you are a Christian? and where have you found out that's what you are... why must you have a label?

if the bible is so corrupt.. then where have you got your knowledge from?

[amethyst]

thirdwave;332119]first of all, Im not looking for evil at all... let alone in this place.... not sure what on earth that meant...

and second of all, if Catholics (people that regard them selves as a Catholic) do not follow the bible. then what makes them a catholic?

Most of the catholics I know are cultural catholics.....in other words "in name only" catholics...it's a cultural way of life.....

You know how all the old-timer catholics always say " I was born a catholic, I'll die a catholic" (doesn't matter if they take it seriously or not)...they'll ALWAYS be a catholic :D)

[amethyst]

Originally Posted by element

but christians should stop saying and preaching it's the all and only way to truth

phildee3:
I agree.
Everybody who insists that their way is the way we all should be should stop.
People who do that are insecure.
They need others around them to confirm that their beliefs are correct because they are unsure themselves.

That's not Christianity to me.
True Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ, -
and when you have that there's absolute certainty and no need for a support group.

I agree with what phildee3 wrote. Has nothing to do with a "religion" at all.

[optimus pigpot]

The Truth is not something that can be told, -
only realised.

As element asked you phildee3 where is all of your irrefutable proof that Jesus walked the earth. I need absolute evidence. Please provide an example of how you can PROVE Jesus came to St. Just and India. Absolute proof.

[adramelech]

As element asked you phildee3 where is all of your irrefutable proof that Jesus walked the earth. I need absolute evidence. Please provide an example of how you can PROVE Jesus came to St. Just and India. Absolute proof.

There's no such thing as absolute proof of anything, only varying degrees of probability. I can't provide absolute proof of my own existence to you over the internet so certainly no one could provide you absolute proof of a controversial spiritual teacher said to have existed thousands of years ago.

[phildee3]

Ok, so how how do you know you are a Christian?



Because I have a real, and committed, relationship with Christ.



and where have you found out that's what you are... why must you have a label?



All language is labelling.
We only must use labels when using language to communicate.
I don't have to use language to have the relationship.
If I were a silent hermit then I wouldn't need the label.



if the bible is so corrupt.. then where have you got your knowledge from?



Firsthand experience (primarily), and many written sources.

[phildee3]

I agree with what phildee3 wrote. Has nothing to do with a "religion" at all.



I am not a member of any denomination, if that's what you mean,
but I do assist priests at the altar.

[bigus_dickus]

of course they are mentally ill.

thank God that the muslims, the hindus, the buddhists, the cult members, the free masons, the atheists, the nihilists, the new agers and all the rest that i forget are perfectly fine and sane.

everyone knows the real truth in this web site anyway..

we all know that evil repetilians have taken over this dimension and shape shift to human forms, occasionally devouring human babies just for fun and drinking human blood with a straw. and of course everyone knows that they have been acting as Gods making us believe they are Jesus, only to enclose all of us in a concentration camp and have a feast on us. it happens every day. and of course everyone knows that grey aliens who are their buddies make trips around the earth taking pictures of us taking a dump or masturbating or doing other embarrassing things and say "ha ha, look at that human fool, who believes in Jesus" and laugh their asses off. and of course everyone knows that they control everything, even how this world appears to our eyes and nothing is true and real, not even you. that's common knowledge to us wise people.

[thirdwave]

Because I have a real, and committed, relationship with Christ.



All language is labelling.
We only must use labels when using language to communicate.
I don't have to use language to have the relationship.
If I were a silent hermit then I wouldn't need the label.



Firsthand experience (primarily), and many written sources.


I believe that the word Christian is a word used for those who use the teachings of the bible as their faith... if you do this you are there for a "Christian"... if you do not follow the teachings of Jesus, you are there or not a "Christian". When do you think "Christians" began? and what research have you on this?

If you have your own version of it then that's great and all well an good, but the way I see it is you should really take it hand in hand to be viewed as a person who lives by the teachings of the bible, as other texts have never spoke of "Christians" but only "Christ" as a word..... We all eat, but that does not make us "Eatrons"

If you choose to use Christ as your (what ever it is)... then people will associate it with the bible.

If you were to get into the roots of Christ, it was a conciousness... Christ was just a word used for it.... like "the light", or "the oneness" ..so on... Jesus was a story hacked and glued together to miss lead the real message and meaning of Christ.

being a human being should be a sufficient enough title to cover this, as long as one is in touch with his higher self (christ)

if you are not in touch with your higher self, it does not mean you will go to hell, just means you have less control of where you will go.... and you can always get in touch with your higher self when ever you choose.

I believe I have the same relationship with the energy you speak of, But I am not a Christian, I'm a human being.

[bigus_dickus]

If you were to get into the roots of Christ, it was a conciousness... Christ was just a word used for it.... like "the light", or "the oneness" ..so on... Jesus was a story hacked and glued together to miss lead the real message and meaning of Christ.

it was a consciousness? how many consciousnesses are there?

being a human being should be a sufficient enough title to cover this, as long as one is in touch with his higher self (christ)

if you are not in touch with your higher self, it does not mean you will go to hell, just means you have less control of where you will go.... and you can always get in touch with your higher self when ever you choose.

I believe I have the same relationship with the energy you speak of, But I am not a Christian, I'm a human being.

wait... i thought that it was the christians who were mentally ill. (right, chimp? any more brilliant ideas chimp?)

[quickening666]

If you were to get into the roots of Christ, it was a conciousness... Christ was just a word used for it.... like "the light", or "the oneness" ..so on... Jesus was a story hacked and glued together to miss lead the real message and meaning of Christ.


Im sorry if this man has been talked about before on this forum but there was an American Psychic called Edgar Cayce who said as much. Ive got several of his books (most of them done by his son, pieced together from his various channelings) and although he didn't go so far as to state the latter part of your post, he certainly believed that much of the Bible was a coded reference to our subconscious. I'll have to re-read those books sometime. Was fascinating stuff. My interest in him began because of his connection to Atlantis.

I also saw Rudolf Steiners name mentioned earlier on in this thread. Always been fascinated by what he said about the entity called "Ahriman".

[deathcultreject]

Because I have a real, and committed, relationship with Christ.


Well that's it settled, you're a Christian then.

Can I be Christian as well?

When it comes to dead people, I'm the kind of guy who likes to be mates with everyone.

[thirdwave]

it was a consciousness? how many consciousnesses are there?


there is only one, being "christ" (if one wants to call it that)... but most are unconscious or are distracted by ego. that's how i see it.

Basicly when I say consciousnesses, it simply means awake... its what we see when we are fully conscious. that's what Christ is.... its our higher selves, its seeing and feeling everything as one, some people find it quite hard to understand this concept.


wait... i thought that it was the christians who were mentally ill. (right, chimp? any more brilliant ideas chimp?)

first of all If you read my posts I have not said that Christians were mentally ill... although some probably are....

I have said they are miss led and lost.... and when I say Christians I am talking about people who put their faith and live their lives by the bible.

Have no idea what your talking about, which is nothing new.



Im sorry if this man has been talked about before on this forum but there was an American Psychic called Edgar Cayce who said as much. Ive got several of his books (most of them done by his son, pieced together from his various channelings) and although he didn't go so far as to state the latter part of your post, he certainly believed that much of the Bible was a coded reference to our subconscious. I'll have to re-read those books sometime. Was fascinating stuff. My interest in him began because of his connection to Atlantis.

I also saw Rudolf Steiners name mentioned earlier on in this thread. Always been fascinated by what he said about the entity called "Ahriman".

I have read a little bit on Cayce and he was an interesting guy, he has also made a good few predictions that have come true...

Have you checked out David Wilcock?

He is an interesting guy, he thinks he is the reincarnation of Edger Cayce, its not really the prime source of his work but is interesting...

http://www.divinecosmos.com/

[madthumbs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qje0C8cDkNI

Probably not the best approach on Christians, but should be effective in the prevention of the disease.

[romas]

I think christianity is fine, you can believe in frog god for all I care as long as you are not aggressive, but there's no need for middle men, no need for a book that's written by bogus men who want your money and exhalt themselves as bridges to god, this is so stupid, they are all people just like you and me and are making a living off your belief.

I think at some point vatican will face its end, I don't think religion should be associated with pompous old men in pretty dresses and funny hats, bigotry and greed and falce politics all they are.

[amethyst]

there is only one, being "christ" (if one wants to call it that)... but most are unconscious or are distracted by ego. that's how i see it.

I agree with you here....sort of.

I obviously don't have all the answers, from my perspective, my understanding, I see Christ Jesus, as someone who was fully filled up with the "Christ Consiousness"....or the total embodiment of all that is God, or the Creator (or whatever you want to call Him).... I don't think anyone person has been totally filled up with Christ consiousness yet. But Christ Jesus was, and by listening to the Spirit (that is God) one can become just like Him.

....and, at one time in history, Christ walked on the earth in a fleshsuit. In other words, He manifested the "total essence" of who God is and was, in a flesh being ......in order for us human beings to identify and understand God and His conciousness.

The total essence of God could have been manifested in something else...but I feel He manifested in a flesh body, so that we could understand Him and also so that He could understand what us humans go thru and experience here on earth in these bodies. Sort of an identification type of thing.

I look at being enlightened as having God's Spirit or Christ Consiousness, open your eyes to new perspectives and new understanding...you have a new eyesight about how you look at the world than you ever did before. BUT this process of enlightenment is ever evolving......meaning, (if you do not consiously block this understanding) you will come to new awareness....and it willl be on-going all the time.

But you can also choose to reject Christ and His consciousness. It's a choice given by the Spirit of God.

But how do you get the greater enlightenment or understanding? By allowing the Spirit of God to breath on your conciousness and illuminate your understand (and I don't mean that in an NWO way)

I just read an interesting scripture recently.

It talks about where Jesus "breathed" on the disciples. It was after He was crucified, but had not yet ascended to the Father.

(John 20:21-22) So Jesus said to them again, "Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

And it's interesting because in Genesis 2:7, the scriptures also talk about God breathing on man:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

So my point is, to gaining undertanding and enlightenment, one has to allow Christ and His conciousness to breath on you. The key word being "allow'.

If you fight it and don't allow it, you won't recieve it. And not everyone wants to recieve Christ and His conciousness His understanding. That's just a given. Pride makes a person think they know better(the ego)

But this whole understanding is very foreign to what is taught by "religion" because religion teaches ritual and performance.....

..and salvation and freedom is not found in performance, but in acceptance of the Christ...and in what the Christ did for mankind by dieing for mankind so that mankind could have eternal life.

For the most part, what is taught in modern day Christianity, is totally backward from what the essense of what true Christianity is.

IN my opinon of course.

[particlezen]

i think they simply lack imagination.

[eternal_spirit]

I think you need to expose the real sick religons, christianity isn't so bad.

All you who diss chrsitians need to get a fucing grip and open your eyes. I'm sick of the sight of post saying christians evil this christians evila that! on this site.

[madthumbs]

I think christianity is fine, you can believe in frog god for all I care as long as you are not aggressive, but there's no need for middle men, no need for a book that's written by bogus men who want your money and exhalt themselves as bridges to god, this is so stupid, they are all people just like you and me and are making a living off your belief.

I think at some point vatican will face its end, I don't think religion should be associated with pompous old men in pretty dresses and funny hats, bigotry and greed and falce politics all they are.

You start off with "I think". Why not educate yourself and come back with something solid? I don't "think" Christianity is bad, I know it is.

[madthumbs]

I think you need to expose the real sick religons, christianity isn't so bad.

All you who diss chrsitians need to get a fucing grip and open your eyes. I'm sick of the sight of post saying christians evil this christians evila that! on this site.

Are they not instructed to kill witches, homosexuals, adulterers, etc? Do they not hold a higher regard for a certain race? Do they not glorify a book that's full of God led genocide, rape, theft, infant genital mutilation, female oppression?

What serious religion can compare to the atrocities (historical, and instructed) committed by this one?

[thirdwave]

I see Christ Jesus, as someone who was fully filled up with the "Christ Consiousness"....or the total embodiment of all that is God, or the Creator (or whatever you want to call Him).... I don't think anyone person has been totally filled up with Christ consiousness yet.

If Jesus exsisted I dont think he was the only one.. I think many people through time have and possibly today... and we are certainly ALL capable of it..


But Christ Jesus was, and by listening to the Spirit (that is God) one can become just like Him.
I disagree... ..we are "the spirit" and we are "Christ" and it comes down to how in tune we are to our higher selves ... this is what Jesus would have been teaching people if he was a real person...

God is everywhere and he is us... we are all god and are apart of everything. there is nothing that exists that is outside of our selves including god.


....and, at one time in history, Christ walked on the earth in a fleshsuit. In other words, He manifested the "total essence" of who God is and was, in a flesh being ......in order for us human beings to identify and understand God and His conciousness. Yes I think that sometimes you have beings who are so aware of their higher selves and can see so clearly because of this... they influence others a great deal, and over time many people have been inspired by these kinds of people.... there has never and will never be one man or women who is more important or more special than anyone else.. we are all equal and have a part to play.... we are all Christ in Flesh suits and all are capable of being what Jesus would have been.

Remember the earth was around a long long time before Jesus was meant to have been, and there have been many people that have been worshipped as gods... good or bad.... what do you think Moses was?


The total essence of God could have been manifested in something else...but I feel He manifested in a flesh body, so that we could understand Him and also so that He could understand what us humans go thru and experience here on earth in these bodies. Sort of an identification type of thing.
we are all him/her.... he/she manifested in Jesus just like he/she manifested in all of us and every other living thing.


I look at being enlightened as having God's Spirit or Christ Consiousness, open your eyes to new perspectives and new understanding...you have a new eyesight about how you look at the world than you ever did before. BUT this process of enlightenment is ever evolving......meaning, (if you do not consiously block this understanding) you will come to new awareness....and it willl be on-going all the time. that all sounds fair enough but i don't get why you feel that god is sop separate from us and as if he is made of something else.... god is the ocean and we are all droplets...


But you can also choose to reject Christ and His consciousness. It's a choice given by the Spirit of God. Yes, we can cut off from our higher selves and get more and more lost.....


But how do you get the greater enlightenment or understanding? By allowing the Spirit of God to breath on your conciousness and illuminate your understand (and I don't mean that in an NWO way)

I believe its already in us.. we just have to find it and see it... we don't have to look outside for it its already stored in our hard drive its just we are not accessing it.

I just read an interesting scripture recently.
It talks about where Jesus "breathed" on the disciples. It was after He was crucified, but had not yet ascended to the Father.

(John 20:21-22) So Jesus said to them again, "Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

And it's interesting because in Genesis 2:7, the scriptures also talk about God breathing on man:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.


with all due respect I dont really take anything the bible says in really, I feel there are more than enough books that cover what the bible is about without the fairy tale stuff in there, its corrupted, twisted chopped and edited like crazy and I very much doubt the way it tells the story of Jesus (or what ever his name was) is compleatly different to how it was....

[B]So my point is, to gaining undertanding and enlightenment, one has to allow Christ and His conciousness to [COLOR="Black"]breath on you. The key word being "allow'. well yes allow is true I think... although the real "Christ" is very big... and it can come to us in many ways...many levels... there are no rules to it just an understanding.... there is no rule for all of us to follow ..like a path way as everyone has their own pathway.... "Jesus" had his... and mine might be different as might yours...

If you fight it and don't allow it, you won't receive it. And not everyone wants to recieve Christ and His conciousness His understanding. That's just a given. Pride makes a person think they know better(the ego) and sometimes it can come to you when your not even looking for it or thinking about it.


But this whole understanding is very foreign to what is taught by "religion" because religion teaches ritual and performance.....
"Christ" is not about religion or ant book.


For the most part, what is taught in modern day Christianity, is totally backward from what the essense of what true Christianity is.


Its true but the word "Christianity" came after the bible.... before then Christ was a word used for something.... like orah.... or energy...

if people really knew what Christ was then Christianity would start to look like a bit of a silly word.

and this is all my opinion of course which will not change any time soon :)

[eternal_spirit]

Are they not instructed to kill witches, homosexuals, adulterers, etc? Do they not hold a higher regard for a certain race? Do they not glorify a book that's full of God led genocide, rape, theft, infant genital mutilation, female oppression?

What serious religion can compare to the atrocities (historical, and instructed) committed by this one?
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So, why in the New testament does Jesus tell the Priesthood they are wrong for using the texts that you refer to constantly which is the Old Testament to do with the angry hebrew Judaic or whoevers God Jehova ( Yahwe ) Jesus also has a go at the Pharisees/Priesthood for charging interest ( ursury ) he denounced the priesthood their texts, human and animal sacrfices and temples of blood. And didn't say you needed to go to church and be preached at by the Priesthood to have God ( good ) on your side

Well the inquisiton is ancient hisorty man ( it's debatable if it ever happened, the only evidence is in the hisotry books which isn't definative proof! )and they did kill some evil witches they weren't all innocent. ( Jaques De Molay head of the knights Templar and how many other black satanic type witches ) by I think it was the King of France who was Catholic.....this is why Catholics where not allowed to be Freemasons for a long time, of course they are allowed now.

You're wrong again the New Testament and most Christians do not condem or kill the list of people you name.

If you want to preach about that expose and post the truly sick stuff the tribes of africa and other countries ( cannabals, body mutilation weird blood rites human sacrafice ) the rastafarians, Judaism and Islam who DO genitally mutilate.

You're full of shit IMO on this issue.

[thirdwave]

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So, why in the New testament does Jesus tell the Priesthood they are wrong for using the texts that you refer to constantly

Because the people who created that story wanted to put that text in.

[amethyst]

thirdwave;333368]
I disagree... ..we are "the spirit" and we are "Christ" and it comes down to how in tune we are to our higher selves ... this is what Jesus would have been teaching people if he was a real person...

God is everywhere and he is us... we are all god and are apart of everything. there is nothing that exists that is outside of our selves including god.

O.K. I agree with you that God is everywhere, but I disagree that we are all god.

I believe in order for there to be creation, there has to be a creator.

A simple example. An artist decides to do a painting on a blank canvas. The artist can stare at the canvas for as long as he wants to, but he is not going to produce a work of art by doing nothing. He has to create something, in order to have a work of art.

Now, while the created work of art came from the artist (in other words, he thought it up in his mind and put it on the canvas) the artist is not the actual work itself.

The artist is connected to his work of art, but he is not THE actual work of art that he created. There's the separation bit, IMO.

That's why I don't perceive that I am God. I do perceive that I can become like God but I don't believe that I am actually God. That's where we differ.

I believe there is a Creator that originally created of all living things. I am connected to all of creation by the fact that I and other living things are created by one source: God.

there has never and will never be one man or women who is more important or more special than anyone else.. we are all equal and have a part to play....

I agree that not one man or one woman is more important than anyone else, because we are all humans, but what I disagree with you on is I don't think Jesus was just human but that He was part of God also (the Creator) who manifested Himself in the flesh.

Remember the earth was around a long long time before Jesus was meant to have been, and there have been many people that have been worshipped as gods... good or bad.... what do you think Moses was?

Well I could quote what Jesus said in John 17:24, speaking to the Father: "for You loved Me before the foundation of the world", meaning that Jesus was already with the Father from the beginning of the world when the foundations were laid, so He was saying He was already there, but hadn't manifested into the flesh, at that time...... but you discount the scriptures so that would have no meaning for you.

But why ask about Moses if you think he didn't exist? If it's all a myth?

with all due respect I dont really take anything the bible says in really, I feel there are more than enough books that cover what the bible is about without the fairy tale stuff in there, its corrupted, twisted chopped and edited like crazy and I very much doubt the way it tells the story of Jesus (or what ever his name was) is compleatly different to how it was....


I agree, I think there are a lot of re-writes and a lot of misinterpretation of the original words in the bible, but just because this is so, doesn't mean I feel I should discount the whole thing, because the essence of the bible for me, is God's desire to show how much he loves His creation and how much He desire to have a relationship with us.

That's why I think He sent His son who was a representation of Himself on the earth. It was because of His love for people.

well yes allow is true I think... although the real "Christ" is very big... and it can come to us in many ways...many levels... there are no rules to it just an understanding.... there is no rule for all of us to follow ..like a path way as everyone has their own pathway.... "Jesus" had his... and mine might be different as might yours...

and sometimes it can come to you when your not even looking for it or thinking about it.


I agree with that, but what you might mean, may be a different perception than what I have.

"Christ" is not about religion or any book.

I agree. :) It's just that the bible is the only "book" or collection of books we have today that tell about Christ's life.....as re-written and misinterpreted as it is.

There's some books like the book of Enoch and other works that aren't included of course....but still there's something to it IMO.

But that's not to say that someone should discount other historical works down thru the centuries....I was just discussing about Christ in particular here.

[madthumbs]

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So, why in the New testament does Jesus tell the Priesthood they are wrong for using the texts that you refer to constantly which is the Old Testament to do with the angry hebrew Judaic or whoevers God Jehova ( Yahwe ) Jesus also has a go at the Pharisees/Priesthood for charging interest ( ursury ) he denounced the priesthood their texts, human and animal sacrfices and temples of blood. And didn't say you needed to go to church and be preached at by the Priesthood to have God ( good ) on your side

You don't quote or back up your statement

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Please show a single instance of Jesus not upholding the OT law, because if he does: then he is not fulfilling OT prophecy which should be 100% accurate.


Well the inquisiton is ancient hisorty man ( it's debatable if it ever happened, the only evidence is in the hisotry books which isn't definative proof! )and they did kill some evil witches they weren't all innocent.

You doubt the inquisition, but are sure of killing "evil" witches? -lol Herbalists pose a threat to faith healers. -There's motive.

( Jaques De Molay head of the knights Templar and how many other black satanic type witches ) by I think it was the King of France who was Catholic.....this is why Catholics where not allowed to be Freemasons for a long time, of course they are allowed now.

According to the Bible, Satan told Eve the truth while God lied concerning the fruit of the tree. God killed many more people than Satan. God spent the first 5 commandments on getting people to love him, and left age of consent and more important issues off the table. Was this a racist jab?

You're wrong again the New Testament and most Christians do not condem or kill the list of people you name.

Then they are not Christians, but serve to white wash the sickness that leads some people to do these things.

If you want to preach about that expose and post the truly sick stuff the tribes of africa and other countries ( cannabals, body mutilation weird blood rites human sacrafice ) the rastafarians, Judaism and Islam who DO genitally mutilate.

Yes, Africa which is exploited by whites. We start wars, arm them and get them to kill each other like they did in Rwanda so we can point and say "look at those savages". Throughout the OT is weird animal sacrifice, rape, mutilations. The God of the Bible is fine with human sacrifice if it's to him:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/br_3.html

You're full of shit IMO on this issue.

You want to discuss or name call?

[optimus pigpot]

I think you need to expose the real sick religons, christianity isn't so bad.

All you who diss chrsitians need to get a fucing grip and open your eyes. I'm sick of the sight of post saying christians evil this christians evila that! on this site.

Yes Christianity is evil, the same as any other established religion. It seeks to gain control over your mind. If you are dependeant upon a percieved higher power you are not in control. If you are not in control you are a slave.

Fuck Christianity and all the rest.

[eternal_spirit]

You don't quote or back up your statement

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Please show a single instance of Jesus not upholding the OT law, because if he does: then he is not fulfilling OT prophecy which should be 100% accurate.




You doubt the inquisition, but are sure of killing "evil" witches? -lol Herbalists pose a threat to faith healers. -There's motive.



According to the Bible, Satan told Eve the truth while God lied concerning the fruit of the tree. God killed many more people than Satan. God spent the first 5 commandments on getting people to love him, and left age of consent and more important issues off the table. Was this a racist jab?



Then they are not Christians, but serve to white wash the sickness that leads some people to do these things.



Yes, Africa which is exploited by whites. We start wars, arm them and get them to kill each other like they did in Rwanda so we can point and say "look at those savages". Throughout the OT is weird animal sacrifice, rape, mutilations. The God of the Bible is fine with human sacrifice if it's to him:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/br_3.html



You want to discuss or name call?



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I'm quoting from memory, all I said was taught to us at school as part of religious lessons ( a few hours a week ) it is in the New Testament, I don't own a Bible, or know what pages this info is on, but I have a good memory, you're choice if you believe what I'm saying, or you can go look it up yourself.

He's talking about God's law the good God, not the angry Jehova ( Yahwe Old Testament Judaic God false God)which is contrary to the Law of the Old Testament's false God. The Old Testament was written around ( 200-300 BC ) by 72 priests in Egypt.

Easy quote : my last post

So, why in the New testament does Jesus tell the Priesthood they are wrong for using the texts that you refer to constantly which is the Old Testament to do with the angry hebrew Judaic or whoevers God Jehova ( Yahwe ) Jesus also has a go at the Pharisees/Priesthood for charging interest ( ursury ) he denounced the priesthood their texts, human and animal sacrfices and temples of blood. And didn't say you needed to go to church and be preached at by the Priesthood to have God ( good ) on your side, or to realise Christ.

OLD TESTAMENT and ( NEW TESTAMENT in blue text with the names Matthew and John ) Note the differences.....

Deuteronomy 5:6-21 I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. ONE: Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
ONE: Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
TWO: Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, or any likeness of any thing that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
TWO: 1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
NOTE: Verses in Blue are verses written AFTER Christ's death. AFTER the 'nailing of the law to the cross'.
THREE: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


http://www.moseshand.com/questions/p24a.htm

What's that an apology for Satanism put the blame on the one who created him? Satan had freewill, same as humans do to a certain degree.


Yes. it's a bad situation in Africa. You can't blame the masses of Christians for that. Egypt the place where genital mutilation started and the Old Testament ( Not the New ) Rich Elite Banking familes and the Military, Government's fund the Wars not the Clergy/Priesthood. And who pulls the triggers.

Also the Elite of Africa are not helping their own people, they have the money to do so but won't. Much of foreign aid that is meant for the starving masses get's spent on weapons, the lower classes suffer as a result. I agree that poverty can force people to fight amongst their own race.


The B'nai Brith, formed by the Sephardic Jews who ran most of the slave trade into America. Mostly Jewish families still own diamond/gold mines Today.

EDIT: On second thoughts the 10 Commandments aren't really any different be it OT or NT still some basic truths and wisdom in most of them.....which are for peace for mankind. That's it I'm trough with religious debate. It could be said God's a schizophrenic or is both good and bad, if the texts about hell fire and brimstone ar too be taken literally, which I'm certain much of it is esoteric not exoteric and may mean something different than what it appears.

[thirdwave]

I think you need to expose the real sick religons, christianity isn't so bad.

All you who diss chrsitians need to get a fucing grip and open your eyes. I'm sick of the sight of post saying christians evil this christians evila that! on this site.

there is no good or bad religion... better or worse they are all the same and at some stage in history have been fucked up .... Christianity is no better or worse... its just it is the biggest.

[damagedbrainn]

Fanatics are "mentally ill". (Though not necessarily in the technical psychiatric sense, obviously.)
Not all Christians are fanatics.
Not all fanatics are Christians.

Calling Christians in general "mentally ill" without your tongue in your cheek is a step towards fanaticism rather than away.

[eternal_spirit]

The Bible and all the religions could be allegories/symbolic stories/astro theology or even something else. Same as Freemasonry and other Mystery School Occult teachings.

And have nothing to do with real historical figures.

I'm through with this thread, for now.

[eternal_spirit]

Fanatics are "mentally ill". (Though not necessarily in the technical psychiatric sense, obviously.)
Not all Christians are fanatics.
Not all fanatics are Christians.

Calling Christians in general "mentally ill" without your tongue in your cheek is a step towards fanaticism rather than away.

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Agreed......Saved me having to say it.

[eternal_spirit]

Why do you keep trying to make out Jesus was a bad guy:confused:


From what I remember from school and what little I've read over the years from the Bible some of what's here on the Forum, Jesus was against the Elite, the evil, the Priesthood etc etc. He was a rebel this is why they crucified him, he gave the people who listened another alternative to the slave master system of the day...So, why turn his message ass about face and pervert it?

[romas]

You start off with "I think". Why not educate yourself and come back with something solid? I don't "think" Christianity is bad, I know it is.

So just because you state "I know" this somehow validates your opinion above others? So what the hell do you know? Drop the biggotry and smell the roses.

You just seem to be preaching more bs off anti-x religion.

[madthumbs]

So, why turn his message ass about face and pervert it?

I'm not the one lying and not quoting. Not having a Bible is no excuse as there are plenty of free Bible's and research tools online.

I'm quoting from memory, all I said was taught to us at school as part of religious lessons ( a few hours a week ) it is in the New Testament, I don't own a Bible, or know what pages this info is on, but I have a good memory, you're choice if you believe what I'm saying, or you can go look it up yourself.

Do you poison a rat with something it would eat or something it would stay clear of? Mormons teach milk and honey before the meat. What you were taught is the milk and honey which prepared you to do the whitewashing and attacking we see from you now. You didn't learn the Bible for yourself, yet you sit here and argue about it continually. :rolleyes:

What's that an apology for Satanism put the blame on the one who created him? Satan had freewill, same as humans do to a certain degree.

How about reading the Bible for yourself and quit being a troll?

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3301/godvsatanvu8sm3.png (http://imageshack.us)

And yes, those 10 Satan killed were via proxy. Did Satan call for genocide, slavery, rape, infant genital mutilation, female oppression? What bad did Satan really do according to the Bible? :rolleyes: This is the book you're defending here right?

Yes. it's a bad situation in Africa. You can't blame the masses of Christians for that.

Racism, slavery, genocide: All instructed of the followers of the God of the Bible / Judaism. Understand that by lying for, whitewashing, and promoting this religion, you are guilty of conspiracy to murder, slavery, rape, etc.

[eternal_spirit]

Bible - possiblities

A combination of an earlier other, or other different relgions texts

One original text a new religion

Dozens of different versions since the original, added too, parts changed, parts taken away.

[romas]

Fanatics are "mentally ill". (Though not necessarily in the technical psychiatric sense, obviously.)
Not all Christians are fanatics.
Not all fanatics are Christians.

Calling Christians in general "mentally ill" without your tongue in your cheek is a step towards fanaticism rather than away.


Agreed.

[eternal_spirit]

Madthumbs ask anyone who wen't to a Cathloic school ( or probably the other common Christian denominations here in the UK or USA ) about what I said in my previous post and you'll find I'm telling the truth, we where all taugh about Christ being a good guy. Or better still ask a Bible Scholar, or Priest for refrences.

[eternal_spirit]

So just because you state "I know" this somehow validates your opinion above others? So what the hell do you know? Drop the biggotry and smell the roses.

You just seem to be preaching more bs off anti-x religion.
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The guys obviously a fucking lunatic ( madthumbs ) and cannot see the truth in most of the commandments and basic truths and wisdom that can be gained by following these examples is a way of expressing love and peace, respect et for fellow mankind.

maybe he'd prefer the Marxist Communistic ideal. Prime example of slaughter and anti humanity. ( notice how he doesn't expose Islam )

Some one has to speak up for the Christians the amount of bullshit thrown around at them on this Forum, I've done my bit I'm now out of this thread.........I'm gone vamoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!

[octopusrex]

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The guys obviously a fucking lunatic ( madthumbs ) and cannot see the truth in most of the commandments and basic truths and wisdom that can be gained by following these examples is a way of expressing love and peace, respect et for fellow mankind.

maybe he'd prefer the Marxist Communistic ideal. Prime example of slaughter and anti humanity. ( notice how he doesn't expose Islam )

Some one has to speak up for the Christians the amount of bullshit thrown around at them on this Forum, I've done my bit I'm now out of this thread.........I'm gone vamoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eternal, whatever you on about?

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal, whatever you on about?

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To keep it short and to the point
Christian evil this christians evil that thats all you get posted on here, haven't you noticed?

[madthumbs]

Madthumbs ask anyone who wen't to a Cathloic school ( or probably the other common Christian denominations here in the UK or USA ) about what I said in my previous post and you'll find I'm telling the truth, we where all taugh about Christ being a good guy. Or better still ask a Bible Scholar, or Priest for refrences.

What are you doing here flaming me, harassing me, lying about me, etc if you haven't got a solid point to stand on?

[optimus pigpot]

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The guys obviously a fucking lunatic ( madthumbs ) and cannot see the truth in most of the commandments and basic truths and wisdom that can be gained by following these examples is a way of expressing love and peace, respect et for fellow mankind.

maybe he'd prefer the Marxist Communistic ideal. Prime example of slaughter and anti humanity. ( notice how he doesn't expose Islam )

Some one has to speak up for the Christians the amount of bullshit thrown around at them on this Forum, I've done my bit I'm now out of this thread.........I'm gone vamoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent work madthumbs, well done, another Christiian vamooshed... Hands up anymore who need vamooshing.

[eternal_spirit]

Piggy bot and madbum what a pair.

Jesus was a teacher of morals and symbolised in allogericall form .....some of the good qualities of mankind
and if you look at "some" of the commandements they make sense as a guide for morality, love., peace and respect for your fellow man. If you cannot see that you're blinded by your own stupidity.

[thirdwave]

O.K. I agree with you that God is everywhere, but I disagree that we are all god.

I believe in order for there to be creation, there has to be a creator.
Yes there is..... Us.

If you think we are not god, then the fact we can also create but are not god means that there is more than one creator... and this is odd.

A simple example. An artist decides to do a painting on a blank canvas. The artist can stare at the canvas for as long as he wants to, but he is not going to produce a work of art by doing nothing. He has to create something, in order to have a work of art.

Now, while the created work of art came from the artist (in other words, he thought it up in his mind and put it on the canvas) the artist is not the actual work itself.

The artist is connected to his work of art, but he is not THE actual work of art that he created. There's the separation bit, IMO.

but you are acting like physical is different from thought... this is not so.... the physical is no more real than thought... no more apart of us than what our thoughts can create on a paper.... the only reason its more "real" is its all our 5 senses can pick up on.... we only have 5 wires so do not access the rest...

that's why when you have a good artist with lots of talent they have their own style... because its them.... we could all paint a picture of a man sitting by a river, but it would all be different and it would all show our selves in that painting...



That's why I don't perceive that I am God. I do perceive that I can become like God but I don't believe that I am actually God. That's where we differ.

mm i just dont get what you mean... you are either not god... or you are.... if you are not then we know that god is separate from us and we are also creators, as we do help shape the universe... or we are god... and we are just another cell in Gods big body playing our part and looking to grow as a cell and express our selves more and more...

I believe there is a Creator that originally created of all living things. I am connected to all of creation by the fact that I and other living things are created by one source: God.
I agree, The creator started out ... and expanded.... creating more expressions of its self.... expanding more and more ...deeper and deeper ...wider and wider.... creating more and more expressions of him self....

the more of those expressions that understand what they are make the whole body of god stronger and there for feel there body with is apart of god grow stronger.... those who forget what they are become detached and start to rot and malfunctions.... I believe many cells go there and some have tried to over throw god and create their own body.... but they do not expand and grow... and while they are trying to be god, the real god is expanding more and more and eventually every cell remembers and comes home...


I agree that not one man or one woman is more important than anyone else, because we are all humans, but what I disagree with you on is I don't think Jesus was just human but that He was part of God also (the Creator) who manifested Himself in the flesh.

I agree he would have been that, But I am also God manifested in flesh... and I know allot of others who are as well....


[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Well I could quote what Jesus said in John 17:24, speaking to the Father: "for You loved Me before the foundation of the world", meaning that Jesus was [B]already with the Father from the beginning of the world when the foundations were laid, so He was saying He was already there, but hadn't manifested into the flesh, at that time...... but you discount the scriptures so that would have no meaning for you.

but we have no idea who wrote this.


But why ask about Moses if you think he didn't exist? If it's all a myth?
I don't believe in Jesus or Moses... I just wanted to know while you believe in Jesus what your views on Moses where...




I agree, I think there are a lot of re-writes and a lot of misinterpretation of the original words in the bible, but just because this is so, doesn't mean I feel I should discount the whole thing, because the essence of the bible for me, is God's desire to show how much he loves His creation and how much He desire to have a relationship with us.

That's why I think He sent His son who was a representation of Himself on the earth. It was because of His love for people.

But what do the good parts in the bible tell you that many many books after cant tell you with a much more updated and provable approach?

there has been many many texts every bit as old and valid as the parts put in the bible but have been completely ignored and in fact destroyed.... for me this means the bible is not being used for truth but to push an agenda.... of course it will have truth in it to suck people in... its the parts that are not true that do the damage....win people over and than brainwash them with all the other junk in their.... and we really have no clue as to what parts are real or created by the people behind Hollywood, LITRALY!


[B][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I agree. :) It's just that the bible is the only "book" or collection of books we have today that tell about Christ's life.....as re-written and misinterpreted as it is.

There's some books like the book of Enoch and other works that aren't included of course....but still there's something to it IMO.

No it tells of Jesus's life not christ's.... there are only a few books that talk of Jesus and these were written years after he was meant to have lived... in-between them where books found talking of Christ, not Jesus. the only reference is the, dead for three days the resurrection and ascension... which is also accounted for in several other older religions that are nothing to do with Jesus.. there are also other texts found spoken by other religions that speak of person with a very similar life as Jesus... and there have also been accounts of Jesus who was simply just a wise Jewish man who was killed by the Romans as they did with many people who were viewed as a disruption, The Koran being one of them, though speaking highly of him, He was not seen as a super god like human.

this is why I asked you about Moses.... why do you think he was not a manifestation of God, but Jesus was?


But that's not to say that someone should discount other historical works down thru the centuries....I was just discussing about Christ in particular here.

It would be great to read the Christ texts that where destroyed by the Christians.

[thirdwave]

Piggy bot and madbum what a pair.


you really need to sort out that kinder garden name calling every time you have been taught.

Jesus was a teacher of morals and symbolised in allogericall form .....some of the good qualities of mankind But in the bible he has also seen as to teach about things that are not very moral.... most people see this.

and if you look at "some" of the commandements they make sense as a guide for morality, love., peace and respect for your fellow man. If you cannot see that you're blinded by your own stupidity.


LOL SOME....what on earth are you on.... I guess god must have been a bit stoned when he wrote them and made a few blips....

He must have hit enter and went...*Shit*!! ...fuck i did not mean those ones!

ooops!, lets hope they dont take them the wrong way!

LOL, man you have really got to wake up.



Preface, I am the Lord your God
Ahhh I see.

1, You shall have no other gods before me
wow, thats a pretty powerful position!, your asking alot of trust here buddy!

2, You shall not make for yourself an idol
apar from you of course my Lord (eyes rolling in back of head(

3, You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
Jesus christ!, talk about fussy!

4, Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
I would rather forget such negative moments and think about the miracles and the happy people... can you ask the Lord if this is ok?

5, Honor your father and mother
well that's reasonable, although I think people kind of know this... those that are not brainwashed and misguided *cringing and looking at 1,2,3,4*

6, You shall not murder
Well thanks again, we kind of know this but some arse holes still do it.... no need to tell me!

7, You shall not commit adultery
well this is a complicated one mate and very much depends on all involved and the journey they are on... marriage is just a stupid bit of paper that represents nothing.

8, You shall not steal
Yes this is a bit out of order...although it also depends on who is claiming ownership and their right to do so.

9, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
Yes lying is bad..

10, You shall not covet your neighbor's house
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife

Why?

[octopusrex]

......................
To keep it short and to the point
Christian evil this christians evil that thats all you get posted on here, haven't you noticed?

Okay.

I take it you are a christian. In fact, I assume David Icke attracts folks who are not really chrisitians, but folks who want a new something... undefined.

I think "evil" is as "evil does". If you go around calling witches "evil" without knowing one or wanting to burn them or cut off their heads.. Well, then the evil one is you, nigga.

Anybody who reads what Jesus is supposed to have said has to agree at least with some parts of it. This is what is meant by a universal message. But guess what? Buddha, Mohammed, Krsna.. all gave us universal messages.

About two years ago, driving down some country road in Fargo, I heard a little 8 year old boy in a talk show who said: "my only religion is tolerance". It is most difficult being tolerant of those who are intolerant of you. But Jesus self said: "love thy enemies"... So if you didn't get that joke, you are no christian, fella.

Lately, I've been giving this advice to a hell of a lot of people: CHILL OUT!

[eternal_spirit]

Okay.

I take it you are a christian. In fact, I assume David Icke attracts folks who are not really chrisitians, but folks who want a new something... undefined.

I think "evil" is as "evil does". If you go around calling witches "evil" without knowing one or wanting to burn them or cut off their heads.. Well, then the evil one is you, nigga.

Anybody who reads what Jesus is supposed to have said has to agree at least with some parts of it. This is what is meant by a universal message. But guess what? Buddha, Mohammed, Krsna.. all gave us universal messages.

About two years ago, driving down some country road in Fargo, I heard a little 8 year old boy in a talk show who said: "my only religion is tolerance". It is most difficult being tolerant of those who are intolerant of you. But Jesus self said: "love thy enemies"... So if you didn't get that joke, you are no christian, fella.

Lately, I've been giving this advice to a hell of a lot of people: CHILL OUT!

................
I have no beef with you
I'm a pacifist almost meaning( violence in self defence ) Guess you're referring to my post about genital mutilation which is not practiced by prob all Christians as a religious ceremony/initiation... yet madthumbs keeps lying saying it is:rolleyes:

As for witches what gives you that idea jeez...Human sacraficing, cannabalistic type blac k magic rituals anyone in their right mind wouldn't advocate it. Witches as in good magic etc I have nothing against and have done my fair share of occult workings etc.

When I said should the one's who genitally mutialte their girls and boys have their head chopped off? I was angry and it was a tongue in cheeck response, so why do so many have go at Christians when it's Judaism and Islam that do this. Must be a fair share of Satanist around maybe. No Bible would = No Satanism:rolleyes:

Yet I get told by the idiots here because I agree with the basic teachings of Christ that I'm advocating all the evils of the world ( any wonder I got mad! ) So one more time fuck anyone who thinks that!

I agree with what you say about Buddah etc so


what's up with this which is Christ's message which would resonate with any decent loving human being.

Jesus was a teacher of morals and symbolised in allogericall form .....some of the good qualities of mankind
and if you look at "some" of the commandements they make sense as a guide for morality, love., peace and respect for your fellow man. If you don't you support the opposite which is evil. It's logical.


quote me

Why do you keep trying to make out Jesus was a bad guy:confused:


From what I remember from school and what little I've read over the years from the Bible some of what's here on the Forum, Jesus was against the Elite, the evil, the Priesthood etc etc. He was a rebel this is why they crucified him, he gave the people who listened another alternative to the slave master system of the day..An early civil rights activist! who was for the people ( who are the people I am one so are most here, or that's what I thought )

Don't mistake me for someone who's pushing any religion to convert. I don't do church, bible prayers I AM NOT AT ALL RELIGIOUS NOR DO I FOLLOW ANY RELGION.

And too repeat an other reason why I was wound up lastnight
Christian evil this christians evil that thats all you see posted on here, haven't you noticed?


The Bible and all the religions could be allegories/symbolic stories/astro theology or even something else. Same as Freemasonry and other Mystery School Occult teachings.

And have nothing to do with real historical figures.

[phildee3]

Excellent work madthumbs, well done, another Christiian vamooshed...



No such luck, pot.
Christians have eternal life!

[element]

No such luck, pot.
Christians have eternal life!

We ALL have eternal life.

[phildee3]

The Bible and all the religions could be allegories/symbolic stories/astro theology or even something else.



It's something else; -
mythology

and mythological truth is more "real" than historical "truth" because it is in the realm of ideas.

Ideas always precede physical manifestation.
Nothing is manifest in the physical world which is not first conceptualised in the ideological world,
so the world of ideas is really more real!



And have nothing to do with real historical figures.



All religious stories are mythology.
They are so fantastic that most never got to materialise.

The thing that is different about Christianity (not that it's any "better" than the others) is that the mythos manifested in the physical world.

[phildee3]

We ALL have eternal life.



You're right.

[thirdwave]

................
I have no beef with you
I'm a pacifist almost meaning( violence in self defence ) Guess you're referring to my post about genital mutilation which is not practiced by prob all Christians as a religious ceremony/initiation... yet madthumbs keeps lying saying it is:rolleyes:

As for witches what gives you that idea jeez...Human sacraficing, cannabalistic type blac k magic rituals anyone in their right mind wouldn't advocate it. Witches as in good magic etc I have nothing against and have done my fair share of occult workings etc.

When I said should the one's who genitally mutialte their girls and boys have their head chopped off? I was angry and it was a tongue in cheeck response, so why do so many have go at Christians when it's Judaism and Islam that do this. Must be a fair share of Satanist around maybe. No Bible would = No Satanism:rolleyes:

Yet I get told by the idiots here because I agree with the basic teachings of Christ that I'm advocating all the evils of the world ( any wonder I got mad! ) So one more time fuck anyone who thinks that!

I agree with what you say about Buddah etc so


what's up with this which is Christ's message which would resonate with any decent loving human being.

Jesus was a teacher of morals and symbolised in allogericall form .....some of the good qualities of mankind
and if you look at "some" of the commandements they make sense as a guide for morality, love., peace and respect for your fellow man. If you don't you support the opposite which is evil. It's logical.


quote me

Why do you keep trying to make out Jesus was a bad guy:confused:


From what I remember from school and what little I've read over the years from the Bible some of what's here on the Forum, Jesus was against the Elite, the evil, the Priesthood etc etc. He was a rebel this is why they crucified him, he gave the people who listened another alternative to the slave master system of the day..An early civil rights activist! who was for the people ( who are the people I am one so are most here, or that's what I thought )

Don't mistake me for someone who's pushing any religion to convert. I don't do church, bible prayers I AM NOT AT ALL RELIGIOUS NOR DO I FOLLOW ANY RELGION.

And too repeat an other reason why I was wound up lastnight
Christian evil this christians evil that thats all you see posted on here, haven't you noticed?


The Bible and all the religions could be allegories/symbolic stories/astro theology or even something else. Same as Freemasonry and other Mystery School Occult teachings.

And have nothing to do with real historical figures.



have you managed to conger up an answer to this yet?

1, Why are you not a Christian?

[optimus pigpot]

Nobody is trying to make out that Jesus was a bad guy here. What some people are saying is that Jesus didn't exist at all. That there is no evidence whatsoever that he walked the earth.

On the other hand you have some people who insist that he existed and don't provide any evidence to back up there claims other than wishy washy bullshit like, "the Christos is within", and, "when you truly ask for Jesus to come into your life he will." Or that," my pastor told me". Or the "bible" or "Flavius" or "Josephus". But none of that was written at the TIME of Jesus.

Not one stitch was written about the man.

So there you have it, mentally sane people who don't accept the cartoon history the bible talks about and then on the other hand, mentally ill Christian, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists,Sikhs and Hindu's and everyone else who is a mind controlled slave.

Thanks for reading.

[amethyst]

Yes there is..... Us.

If you think we are not god, then the fact we can also create but are not god means that there is more than one creator... and this is odd.



but you are acting like physical is different from thought... this is not so.... the physical is no more real than thought... no more apart of us than what our thoughts can create on a paper.... the only reason its more "real" is its all our 5 senses can pick up on.... we only have 5 wires so do not access the rest...

that's why when you have a good artist with lots of talent they have their own style... because its them.... we could all paint a picture of a man sitting by a river, but it would all be different and it would all show our selves in that painting...





mm i just dont get what you mean... you are either not god... or you are.... if you are not then we know that god is separate from us and we are also creators, as we do help shape the universe... or we are god... and we are just another cell in Gods big body playing our part and looking to grow as a cell and express our selves more and more...


I agree, The creator started out ... and expanded.... creating more expressions of its self.... expanding more and more ...deeper and deeper ...wider and wider.... creating more and more expressions of him self....

the more of those expressions that understand what they are make the whole body of god stronger and there for feel there body with is apart of god grow stronger.... those who forget what they are become detached and start to rot and malfunctions.... I believe many cells go there and some have tried to over throw god and create their own body.... but they do not expand and grow... and while they are trying to be god, the real god is expanding more and more and eventually every cell remembers and comes home...




I agree he would have been that, But I am also God manifested in flesh... and I know allot of others who are as well....


but we have no idea who wrote this.



I don't believe in Jesus or Moses... I just wanted to know while you believe in Jesus what your views on Moses where...



But what do the good parts in the bible tell you that many many books after cant tell you with a much more updated and provable approach?

there has been many many texts every bit as old and valid as the parts put in the bible but have been completely ignored and in fact destroyed.... for me this means the bible is not being used for truth but to push an agenda.... of course it will have truth in it to suck people in... its the parts that are not true that do the damage....win people over and than brainwash them with all the other junk in their.... and we really have no clue as to what parts are real or created by the people behind Hollywood, LITRALY!




No it tells of Jesus's life not christ's.... there are only a few books that talk of Jesus and these were written years after he was meant to have lived... in-between them where books found talking of Christ, not Jesus. the only reference is the, dead for three days the resurrection and ascension... which is also accounted for in several other older religions that are nothing to do with Jesus.. there are also other texts found spoken by other religions that speak of person with a very similar life as Jesus... and there have also been accounts of Jesus who was simply just a wise Jewish man who was killed by the Romans as they did with many people who were viewed as a disruption, The Koran being one of them, though speaking highly of him, He was not seen as a super god like human.

this is why I asked you about Moses.... why do you think he was not a manifestation of God, but Jesus was?



It would be great to read the Christ texts that where destroyed by the Christians.

I'll have to think about what you wrote and get back to you O.K.? Too tired at the mo....

[octopusrex]

It's something else; -
mythology

and mythological truth is more "real" than historical "truth" because it is in the realm of ideas.

Ideas always precede physical manifestation.
Nothing is manifest in the physical world which is not first conceptualised in the ideological world,
so the world of ideas is really more real!



All religious stories are mythology.
They are so fantastic that most never got to materialise.

The thing that is different about Christianity (not that it's any "better" than the others) is that the mythos manifested in the physical world.

I would turn it around on you. I'd say all religious stories are history.

[madthumbs]

Nobody is trying to make out that Jesus was a bad guy here.

It's my contention that this fictional entity is.

[optimus pigpot]

It's my contention that this fictional entity is.

By default Jesus not being real means that he cannot be the bad guy, as there is no guy to be bad or good but when we look at the issue of his fictional character being used for maligned purposes, such as mind control of the masses, then we can establish that the character has an evil intention behind it.

Let The Thumbs Roll........

[phildee3]

I would turn it around on you. I'd say all religious stories are history.



Oh, you mean like this one:
http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/legendofosiris.htm

[phildee3]

Not one stitch was written about the man.



Oh, you mean like Harry Potter?
There's lots written about him to prove that he "walked the earth."

[optimus pigpot]

Oh, you mean like Harry Potter?
There's lots written about him to prove that he "walked the earth."

... neither did. I don't undertsand the connection that you've made. You've just shit in your own nest.

[phildee3]

... neither did. I don't undertsand the connection that you've made.



You don't understand anything.

[eternal_spirit]

It's either one or the other, or both. Jesus was a man or........It doesn't really matter think about it.

[hood]

imagine that -

some are, some aren't.

[thirdwave]

Im not sure why people can see we are dising Jesus...doubting his existence is not dissing him.... its trying to get to the bottom of what he was....

I think he is pretty much an analogy for a bunch of people who preached to the world about enlightenment....

and the same as today was the same back then ..in that the people with power do not want the masses enlightened.

And the fact that they have managed to destroy the message that "Jesus" was pushing shows how important the message was...

So far "Jesus" failed to get the message across to the masses, despite how hard it tried.

If he was around today he would not be in harmony with Christians... he would probably be fed up and disappointed at how things got to fucked up....

[romas]

Fear of the uknown, imagine that a simple man, for all his life thinking world is the way it's written in the bible, he believes it so much because it was all he knew from childhood, now some one comes up and tries to destroy his world view leading him into doubt and uknown.

This is especialy hard when two religions meet, people can't relate their fairy tales so they kill each other. But those who wrote fairy tales kept the profit.

[octopusrex]

Oh, you mean like this one:
http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/legendofosiris.htm

See, I am CERTAIN that Isis and Osiris were real people once. Then folks began to talk about them and this huge "legend" began. It could have been that they were simple time-travelers, or enlightened Brahmins or Star-Rovers... But in the eyes of their devotees they became THE Gods.

Many Gods walked the earth before monotheism. Some got along. Some went to war. Then ol' JVHV came round to tell everybody he was the only one and his devotee, Jesus, pushed the message into hyperdrive.

Well, in terms of popularity, JVHV and his avatar Jesus won. But their devotees were sooooo corrupted, nobody wanted to hear any more from them and the Mayan Calendar was ending...

It's all cool.

[element]

I believe most of these same stories could be from the same civilisation aka atlantis or something else. You get the same legends over the world, and all the connections between Egypt, South America, Asia and Middle East are from that same 'mother' civ. After the cataclysm they got to different places and used this knowledge in different ways so the native humans could understand it. The native people didn't understand it all and thought of gods and began worshipping, and took this knowledge over, over some time. This is where religions started to develop.

In the end, everything has some truth in it, may it be a lot or not. But it's all from this same civilisation imo.

[phildee3]

See, I am CERTAIN that Isis and Osiris were real people once.



What do you mean by "real"?
Alot of people (like pigpot, for example) mean physical/historical, despite David saying the opposite.
I define "real" (or at least "more real") as being from a higher dimension. The realm of ideas, gods, angels, thoughts, emotions, powers, time-travelers and Star-Rovers.
In this higher dimension, Osiris could have indeed been chopped up into many pieces and then put back together again. Do you really think this could happen in the physical/historical world?



...JVHV came round to tell everybody he was the only one



Did he?
Or was it his worshippers?



and his devotee, Jesus, pushed the message into hyperdrive.



JVHV is the Jewish creator-god,
not the almighty, omnipresent, omnipotent, all-that-is revealed by Jesus.
The all-that-is cannot be creator or it would not be the all-that-is, would it?

It was the Romans who falsely re-identified the all-that-is with the demiurge, JHVH. They are the corrupt ones!

Such lies, and the power control trips of the elitist "church," is not cool!

[kezann]

I'm really sorry if I'm butting in a convo or anything (I read the first page of this thread and came, pretty much, straight to the reply bit basically) but this is my first real day exploring the forums and I just wanted to stick in my two penneth vis-a-vis the whole 'Christians being mentally ill' scenario if that's cool?


..This is where you have to do the Scooby-Doo-Wibbledy-Wobbledy-Travel-Back-In-Time Manouvre...

Throughout my adult life I've had numerous encounters with Christians where I've been ridiculed, sniped at and rebuffed. They, quite literally, effin' hate me! Basically because I refuse to agree with what the Bible has to say, just because the Bible has to say it. They can't grasp that. Because they've been conditioned since the age of four to attack anyone who challenges the status quo (go the Quo!). As have us all; Christians, Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Catholics... all of us! We didn't have the option of thinking for ourselves when 'our generation' (I'd say 'go the Who', but I've always found Roger Daltrey to be a tad on the scary side) were going through the system. Our circumstances found God for us - so we didn't have to! (and, of course, so that we'd fit in with them quite nicely ). We were never encouraged to actually FIND God, we were TOLD what to believe. Well, gently 'urged forward' (with a snow plough at full throttle typa thing). So how could we actually have had the chance to learn?

I'm not a clippet-ie kinda person (though at times I've been known to get quite cut n paste crazy, when the mood has taken me) but somewhere in either the Nag Hammadi Library or the Dead Sea Scrolls (which I only learnt this week were two different things... Like... Durrrr!!) Jesus totally disses Genesis (nope, Phil Collins was nowhere to be seen). He points out how ridiculous it is that God could put such a punishment on his own people (like, Amen to that f*cka dude!), so it's kinda blatantly crap and not written by the hand of God.

But, although this text was written at the same time as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (which I found out the other day were written by un-named writers, the church 'made up' the names so that people could find an affinity with them) the church have branded them 'heretic'. Purely because they don't fit in!

Which brings me neatlly back methinks to the insanity Christian thing....

Nope! I don't think they're insane. We're the insane ones (and personally rather proud of it!). They just haven't learnt yet what the joys of being a bit of a loon can be.

But what HAS happened to them is that they were purposefully lured into a lie that, to get out of now, would make them look - to their peers at least - evil.

They subscribed to something that spoke of 'the promise of' love and forgiveness, truth and harmony. But it was laced, by baddies, with shards of wickedness. Christians didn't decide to be nasty, demeaning and self-riteous. They were taught that, if they wanted to get into Heaven, that's the way they had to behave. Because the Bible's convinced them ' everyone else is wrong but you. But only if you believe in me!'.

We're not allowed the choice of taking the bits we want and studying elsewhere to find the missing bits. How on earth can you label something 'the truth' to the entire world that has conflicting arguements? I'll save you from listing them now, but I'm sure you're aware of at least 1 indescrepancy. With something a populus is told is the 'gospel' and HAS to be followed, or eternal damnation be upon ye, you would think they'd at least have only one thing to follow? I mean, how are we meant to know which of the options to choose ffs?!

Well, I suppose I should wrap up. Not least for the fact that I'm waffling!

But to sum up. Where Christians, and indeed anyone who's institutionalised (which includes pretty much most of us, in some respect at least) are concerned I can only say "Forgive them, for they know not what they do".

Don't worry though, we'll teach 'em!

Luv 2 all

Kerry-Ann
xXx




p.s. just watched a corking clip of Will Ferrell, which can (hopefully!) be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKDC2iBQTYg

Which perfectly explains what current 'Christians' have been brainwashed into acting like, and like so many of them sadly do.



Mwah!Mwah!xXx

[belfast atheist]

Most of the catholics I know are cultural catholics.....in other words "in name only" catholics...it's a cultural way of life.....

You know how all the old-timer catholics always say " I was born a catholic, I'll die a catholic" (doesn't matter if they take it seriously or not)...they'll ALWAYS be a catholic :D)

really? i was a catholic...I'LL DIE AN ATHEIST.:eek:

[octopusrex]

What do you mean by "real"?
Alot of people (like pigpot, for example) mean physical/historical, despite David saying the opposite.
I define "real" (or at least "more real") as being from a higher dimension. The realm of ideas, gods, angels, thoughts, emotions, powers, time-travelers and Star-Rovers.
In this higher dimension, Osiris could have indeed been chopped up into many pieces and then put back together again. Do you really think this could happen in the physical/historical world?



Did he?
Or was it his worshippers?



JVHV is the Jewish creator-god,
not the almighty, omnipresent, omnipotent, all-that-is revealed by Jesus.
The all-that-is cannot be creator or it would not be the all-that-is, would it?

It was the Romans who falsely re-identified the all-that-is with the demiurge, JHVH. They are the corrupt ones!

Such lies, and the power control trips of the elitist "church," is not cool!

Who knows? I don't remember that far back. I try to remain in the here and now.

[thelucifer]

Not one stitch was written about the man.




When asking a christian bible thumper about non biblical proof for "Jesus" they ALL run right straight to the writings of Josephus "James the brother of Jesus the one called christ" and they always stop there and then go on spinning a story of deceit/evil. I have Never seen one bible thumper go beyond the word christ, to do so is to show what a shame the claim Josephus supports a historical Jesus is, and they dont want to give up fame/fortune power/controll traditions etc etc.

The Real story Josephus wrote goes like this,

while king Agripa was out of town the high priest Anannus wanted James dead because James was being called the christ (NOT jesus) and so he bent the rules and had James delivered up via the Sanhedren to be killed and people were angry about that and got word to the king and he was angry and when he got back into town fired Anannus and Hired Jesus as the high priest !!!!!!

I want one bible thumper to show where in the bible is it mentioned Jesus was made a high priest by a king ?????

if that aint bad enough Josephus goes on to mention this Jesus' fathers name and guess what ? its NOT Joseph !! i.e. jesus bar joseph.



the other writing acredited to Josephus that mentions Jesus is so clearly an interpolation and to watch the thumpers dance around that is a real shame, im ashamed for them.



This is the Best non biblical proof they have, everythingelse is so pathetic I wont go into them other than to say just because someone calls themself a christian is not proof a real jesus ever existed, to say the least, and there was more than one group calling themselves christians !!

Jesus is the golden calf made by man.

The name Jesus in that area in that time was very common.



the fact it took Constantine (a Roman emperor who is the one that "had a vision" of conquering via the cross !!) some 300 years later to "look" (via his mother) for jesus' burial place etc is very telling. Thats about the time the new testament was put together and along with the old testament making 66 books. 66 = idol worship !!

get your kicks on route 66, everything to do with the USA is idol worship, all the Roman style goverment buildings, statues etc etc and all is very expensive, no cost spared.

get your kicks on route idol worship, and jesus is an idol.

[adramelech]

I believe most of these same stories could be from the same civilisation aka atlantis or something else. You get the same legends over the world, and all the connections between Egypt, South America, Asia and Middle East are from that same 'mother' civ. After the cataclysm they got to different places and used this knowledge in different ways so the native humans could understand it. The native people didn't understand it all and thought of gods and began worshipping, and took this knowledge over, over some time. This is where religions started to develop.

In the end, everything has some truth in it, may it be a lot or not. But it's all from this same civilisation imo.

The concept of a "Civilization One", or a vast Antediluvian/Neolithic culture seeding/influencing all later cultures is quite an important one. Your observations on the genesis of "god" worship is also accurate. However, we shouldn't be so quick to assume that this influencing culture/civilization necessarilly originated on Earth.

What do you mean by "real"?
Alot of people (like pigpot, for example) mean physical/historical, despite David saying the opposite.
I define "real" (or at least "more real") as being from a higher dimension. The realm of ideas, gods, angels, thoughts, emotions, powers, time-travelers and Star-Rovers.
In this higher dimension, Osiris could have indeed been chopped up into many pieces and then put back together again. Do you really think this could happen in the physical/historical world?

Of course not. These are ancient "tall tales" and exaggerated/distorted claims and accounts on behalf of tribal cultures of real occurances beyond their comprehension.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=334688&postcount=13

[lifeofbrian]

Are christians mentally ill?

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?


Like most people, they seem ignorant. Ignorant of the only universal super-commandment that actually means something and brings practical results if applied daily, every hour of every day:

"Thou shalt not cause unnecessary harm."

[phildee3]

I try to remain in the here and now.



What a cop out!!! - this is your answer to my reply to this:



I am CERTAIN that Isis and Osiris were real people once.



Will the real octo please stand up...

[phildee3]

Of course not. These are ancient "tall tales" and exaggerated/distorted claims and accounts



Exactly.
In other words, mythologies.

[dedicate]

exactly phildee3. Your one of the few posters on this sub-forum who ever makes any sense. Most others use terms without ever thinking of the meaning. They say "myth" to mean silly-made-up-non-sense, like they've been trained by T.V. and education to do. Orwell was right.. society in decline, when language in decline.

[octopusrex]

What a cop out!!! - this is your answer to my reply to this:



Will the real octo please stand up...

Okay, I'll pontificate.

Quetzalcoatl
Isis
Osiris
Jesus
Buddha
Bhaal
Krsna

All these were real people, but their nature was uncomprehensible to the folks who knew them and wrote about them. Possibly they were from a different dimention, or a different time-space, like the Q in Star Trek.

It is irrelevant. If you read them as history books, then you realize that they had good thing to say that transcend time. For instance, the Bhagavad Gita, when read correctly, is a wonderful inspiration for any meditation. The Bible as well, and the Koran too. Sadly, Christian missionaries destroyed most of the writtings of the Mayans and Aztecs, so we know very little about my pal Kukulkan...

Now, if these beings (can't really call them humans, can we?) have lifespawns of thousands or millions of years (which to a sufficiently advanced being is no big deal) it stands to reason that they are still around but "retired" somehow or visible only to favorite, completely devoted devotees.

In all my religious readings, the most "complete" so far seem to be the Vedas. So the Aryans win, blah, blah, blah.. But as a Peyote Shaman, my heart is in this land, Mexico, and with these pyramids and their secrets. My Brahmin friends tell me that the Mayans (who along with most other pre-Judeo-Christian cultures believed in reincarnation) were a Vedic culture. Since their writting where destroyed, we have no way to prove this, but there are many similarities.

Now, into the mix, you have to add Atlantis. The common link between Egypt and Latin America... (better I say America, because maybe there were pyramids up north we don't know shit about).

WHO THE FUCK KNOWS? I try to be here and now. Pay my bills. Help my loved-ones. Maybe watch a little t.v. and smoke a little dope to relax.

[phildee3]

Maybe watch a little t.v.



Maybe that's your problem.

Maybe if you dump that sucker you'd know the difference between past and present,

and why you keep flip-flopping over what matters and what doesn't.

[kezann]

Do you know what, I've just sat here for over way over an hour spilling me goots in a great long ramble of ideas I really wanted to share, then I went to preview it and it huffed up!

I am currently, as they say, 'devvoed'!

I can't do it again, I really can't. My brain hurts!!

Luv n restecp (keep it real)

Kerry-Ann
xXx

[thirdwave]

Do you know what, I've just sat here for over way over an hour spilling me goots in a great long ramble of ideas I really wanted to share, then I went to preview it and it huffed up!

I am currently, as they say, 'devvoed'!

I can't do it again, I really can't. My brain hurts!!

Luv n restecp (keep it real)

Kerry-Ann
xXx

I fucking HATE it when that happens, I very nearly lost a lap top because of that :)

[optimus pigpot]

When asking a christian bible thumper about non biblical proof for "Jesus" they ALL run right straight to the writings of Josephus "James the brother of Jesus the one called christ" and they always stop there and then go on spinning a story of deceit/evil. I have Never seen one bible thumper go beyond the word christ, to do so is to show what a shame the claim Josephus supports a historical Jesus is, and they dont want to give up fame/fortune power/controll traditions etc etc.

The Real story Josephus wrote goes like this,

while king Agripa was out of town the high priest Anannus wanted James dead because James was being called the christ (NOT jesus) and so he bent the rules and had James delivered up via the Sanhedren to be killed and people were angry about that and got word to the king and he was angry and when he got back into town fired Anannus and Hired Jesus as the high priest !!!!!!

I want one bible thumper to show where in the bible is it mentioned Jesus was made a high priest by a king ?????

if that aint bad enough Josephus goes on to mention this Jesus' fathers name and guess what ? its NOT Joseph !! i.e. jesus bar joseph.



the other writing acredited to Josephus that mentions Jesus is so clearly an interpolation and to watch the thumpers dance around that is a real shame, im ashamed for them.



This is the Best non biblical proof they have, everythingelse is so pathetic I wont go into them other than to say just because someone calls themself a christian is not proof a real jesus ever existed, to say the least, and there was more than one group calling themselves christians !!

Jesus is the golden calf made by man.

The name Jesus in that area in that time was very common.



the fact it took Constantine (a Roman emperor who is the one that "had a vision" of conquering via the cross !!) some 300 years later to "look" (via his mother) for jesus' burial place etc is very telling. Thats about the time the new testament was put together and along with the old testament making 66 books. 66 = idol worship !!

get your kicks on route 66, everything to do with the USA is idol worship, all the Roman style goverment buildings, statues etc etc and all is very expensive, no cost spared.

get your kicks on route idol worship, and jesus is an idol.

.... and no Christianty either. So all you claimed Christians aren't anything like that at all.

Superb. Can we close the thread now as we've established the facts. Jesus is not never has been written about by any of his contemories only those that came later.

Hooray no Jesus.........

[amethyst]

really? i was a catholic...I'LL DIE AN ATHEIST.:eek:

I was just making a joke. Sorry you took it the wrong way. I was mentioning the fact that a lot of old-timer catholics seem to have this attitude.

A lot of catholics (actually ex-catholics) I have come in contact with, suffer from major guilt trips that their "religion' put on them growing up. No wonder they want nothing to do with any sort of God or any sort of belief in a higher power.

They had guilt, guilt, guilt placed on them growing up and told that they were bad, bad, bad their whole life. Very sad, but it appears this is the case, with those I have met and known personally. I've heard the horror stories about what they went through in catholic school, and it is really unfortunate.

They seem to have a very hard time relating to any sort of authority or father figure, particularly God, because of the false religious structure which they were raised in, and because they've been told God is out to get them when they mess up.

Religion does this to people. It puts them in bondage. This is nothing that God ever intended for them to be in, if they really understood the Father's heart and how He cares for them. But they've been taught a bunch of lies.

Religion is part of the illusion.

It's very sad and no wonder they have no concept or understanding that God could love them unconditionally.

They just know God as a mean old ogre and want nothing to do with Him as a result of their false image they were taught about God. Rules and regulations...

Do this and do that. Obey all the rules and then you will get God's approval. If you don't it's condemnation.

All emptiness. That's not what having a relationship with the Creator is all about.

It's a very hard obstacle to overcome when this is all you've known your whole life......or any "religion' for that matter.

Religion never helped anybody.

But a relationship with the Creator thru the Spirit is freedom and liberty and peace....because you know you are loved by your Creator and are not condemned by what you do or don't do.

[lightgiver]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

most of the world is mentally ill?check it out.

[madthumbs]

most of the world is mentally ill?check it out.

- Tru Dat! Religious oppression is a major cause.

[phildee3]

- Tru Dat! Religious oppression is a major cause.



Dat's tru tu...

True religion is the cure.

[optimus pigpot]

Dat's tru tu...

True religion is the cure.

madthumbs said that Religion is the problem. Please don't then start to preach here (by adding the word TRUE) as this site is not dedicated to Christianity or any other religion and if it ever starts to become that way I shall not visit it.

It still amazes me why you come here. That's not a question by the way so please don't take the time to answer it.

Op.

[exicutioner151]

...they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?



Hi Talking chimp,

Christians believe what they want and would kill u to keep it even if they knew the truth they'd say its a lie . And ask ur self what is it they do ? They force upon u thier believes and condemn u if u dont follow suit . Once they know u dont believe thier crap they try to ruin u in in everyones eyes by making things up about u . Now christians say thier so good and holy but if they actually read that tolet tissue book of thiers they would see the pasage about not forcing thier teaching on others , but yet they do and keep trying and trying and trying till thier considered god damned stalkers. they do not even know when to stop and let it be , of course thier delusional and mentally ill and brainwashed but they like it . Thats the difference (they like being that way ) Any attempt to help them will result in only hardships and pointing fingers at u and whispers and a hell of a lot of grief . Is it worth ur own sanity and well being to attempt ? And if people like us try and try and try to tell them what we know ,are we not being like the very ones we critisize and know are idiots ?

Exicutioner151

[optimus pigpot]

Hi Talking chimp,

Christians believe what they want and would kill u to keep it even if they knew the truth they'd say its a lie . And ask ur self what is it they do ? They force upon u thier believes and condemn u if u dont follow suit . Once they know u dont believe thier crap they try to ruin u in in everyones eyes by making things up about u . Now christians say thier so good and holy but if they actually read that tolet tissue book of thiers they would see the pasage about not forcing thier teaching on others , but yet they do and keep trying and trying and trying till thier considered god damned stalkers. they do not even know when to stop and let it be , of course thier delusional and mentally ill and brainwashed but they like it . Thats the difference (they like being that way ) Any attempt to help them will result in only hardships and pointing fingers at u and whispers and a hell of a lot of grief . Is it worth ur own sanity and well being to attempt ? And if people like us try and try and try to tell them what we know ,are we not being like the very ones we critisize and know are idiots ?

Exicutioner151

Well said...

[exicutioner151]

Well said...



Hi Optimus pigpot,
Thanks , I talk from expierence due to places ive lived in the us and other countries where christian misionaries had been spreading thier drivel . Not to mention bible belt usa :rolleyes: even telling them to leave u alone u have free will doesent deter them i say speak softly and beat them with a big ass stick :D


Exicutioner151

[phildee3]

madthumbs said that Religion is the problem.



No he didn't.
He said that opression is the problem
("opression" being the operative noun, not "religion")

religious opression specifically
("religious" being an adjective).

Individuals who practice a discipline to join with their own spiritual source are not a problem.
Those who impose dogma on others are.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?


Every member of the Board should read Talkingchimps Thread in the Rant Room: ERADICATE ALL HUMANS WITH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS


I am not a Doctor of Phsychiatry, but I think this and the Rant Room Thread make a Compelling case that Talkingchinp is the one with issues of Mental Health, not to mention Spiritual Health.




Funny how things play out. ;)

[madthumbs]

Topless woman tells DeLand police God told her to direct traffic (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/volusia/orl-bk-topless-woman-041708,0,6227272.story)

The DeLand woman told police that God told her to direct traffic.

- Most Christians will probably think she's Satanically possessed. :(

[skylark]

due to my academic research (in mythology )i've had the oppurtunity to speak at length with several theologians (that is to say doctors with tenure) at brand name universities and i can tell you that they use xity as a working hypothesis and being intelligent men, are not in any way limited by their belief system--but that's the crux of the matter; it is multi-layered and open to interpretation--comparing such men with the average xian who renders ancient texts literally with no understanding of ancient greek or aramaic or their social (cultural) and/or political context is like comparing a child who knows his 12 times table off by heart with Einstein.

Some of these xians live their lives as if "the cross", of which they have little or no understanding, is a prison; it is as if they have been caught in a web and are proslytising the virtues of the spider...there is very little to be gained in arguing with them as i have discovered on numerous occasions as they are neither spiritually nor intellectually free; it's their way or eternal torment; they cannot be reasoned with; it's like talking to a brick wall and the fantastic 'rationalisations' they generate when you provide them with incontrovertible proof that flatly contradicts a specific point they are making is itself indicative of this. Here's just one e.g.-- i recently watched zeitgeist and asked this xian if he had seen it --he had and he told me that satan must have been "furious" to have created all these belief systems which pre-date xity and of which xity is but a facsimile! is it mental illness? i say that it goes beyond mere credulity or childish (not -like!) naivete and is the product of brainwashing...keep in mind that these 'evangelists' are very well-practised in conditioning and brainwashing techniques and very well funded too...the 'simple faithful' are just that!

[skylark]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

it's professional help they need but ofcourse those who are mentally ill do not know that they are thus, because if they did then ofcourse their faculties would be functioning properly and they would not (a priori) be mentally ill--neither you nor I talkingchimp nor the readers/contributors of and to this thread (possibly with the odd exception) are qualified and able to help them other than perhaps by trying to plant seeds (cold hard facts) in their consciousness which might (just might) compete successfully for space with their delusions--although in my experience they land on stony soil and do not take root. It is nigh impossible i imagine for the layman to undo the expert programming that christians have been subjected to.

Every xian is an agent of zionism, wittingly or not, which is where the funding i mention in my previous post -along with (in the states) the massive contributions of the gullible - comes from. What better method than the age-old tool of religion/divine sanction is there in promoting a political agenda?

[kezann]

What I think we have to remember is that the reasons Christians were tempted into their faith was for the promise of peace.

Unfortunately for them, once they'd subscribed, they were extensively taught that to fulfill the things they wished for when joining, they'd also need to be judgemental and cruel.

The insanity lies in not realising that this has happened to them, and not searching out more truth.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (made up names, remember?) are the books of the Bible which are meant to be physically relevant to Jesus.

At the beginning of Matthew it goes to great lengths to explain the lineage of Jesus, saying he's the son of David. It proceeds to tell us that Joseph was the son of the last bloke in the line. THEN it proceeds to tell us that he didn't have sex with Mary until AFTER Jesus was born, and she was pregnant when they got together.

So how is Jesus related to David when he's absolutely no blood relation to Joseph me wonders?

Lets face it. With all the directly conflicting 'truths' <spits in disgust> of the Bible, how are you meant to live your life by the f*cker and stay sane???

[skylark]

you can't quite simply-it's a staitjacket, but they are not consciously aware of this/nor do they choose to investigate the origins of their religion, choosing instead to live their lives on the surface; i suspect that some of them are cognisant of the fact - or at any rate sense - that a lot of the magic and mystery of Life (the only true religion according to Jesus the Essene) is expunged by this belief system they have walked into

it's fear-based too and that's the worst of it! their mindset is such that the world is split between the saved (everlasting bliss) and the unsaved (everlasting misery and torment); as if our creator is a sadist!...clearly, you can tell an awful lot about someone's state of mind by discovering what their essential beliefs are...and generally xians are not coming from love but fear.

[phildee3]

At the beginning of Matthew it goes to great lengths to explain the lineage of Jesus, saying he's the son of David. It proceeds to tell us that Joseph was the son of the last bloke in the line.



This is the original scripture, yes.



THEN it proceeds to tell us that he didn't have sex with Mary until AFTER Jesus was born, and she was pregnant when they got together.



No it doesn't. Not the original anyway.
This is Roman dogma.

The original for "virgin" is "chaste," ie. she was fathful to her spouse.



So how is Jesus related to David when he's absolutely no blood relation to Joseph me wonders?
Lets face it. With all the directly conflicting 'truths' <spits in disgust> of the Bible, how are you meant to live your life by the f*cker and stay sane???



Leave the false church and quit following its dogma.

[skylark]

The original for "virgin" is "chaste," ie. she was fathful to her spouse.



what is your source for this statement?-i'm not NECESSARILY disagreeing with it but i'd be interested to know what your source is if it isn't too much trouble.

Most xians i've encountered aren't great readers of books or doers of research but they generally do watch tv/films--on that assumption, have YOU seen Zeitgeist phildee3? and if you have, do you not think it causes a serious problem for xity as it is u/stood by the 'simple faithful'?

this is indeed an age of awakening and revealing and not just for an intellectual and/or spiritual elite but for ALL those prepared to listen unfettered by the filtering mechanism of organised belief systems

[kezann]

Hiya!

I understand that things can be taken out of context and stuff, and that - even if any of these people actually existed - Joseph may well have seeded Mary 'real good'.

But surely the fact can't be denied that Jesus is not of Joseph's bloodline. Mary wasn't inseminated by a man. Any man. (allegedly). It's a major thing that religion holds. If Mary was a descendant of David maybe, but... Well, she wasn't.

I also hold the belief that, were anyone to be 'sent' by whoever, or more accurately 'received' by us, that bloodlines bear no relevance whatsoever. Our bodies are, after all, mere transport for this world. Our souls don't follow bloodlines, or racial, demographical or sexual stereotypes.

Thus making my whole point of his parentage null and void methinks! Oops!

I don't want rows starting over anything I've said, we are all (after all) on the same side.

So I'll quickly try and bump the convo along with another thing I noticed in Matthew whilst I was sitting in a hospital waiting room this week with nowt to do (I'd typed reams about it the other day but my computer huffed up).

Matthew 3:7 "you offspring of vipers" any thoughts?

Hugs

Kerry-Ann
xXx

p.s. Thank you for pointing out my indescrepancy btw. I only have the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible, and often wish I'd got corellating ones to get a better view.

Good job I'm not a Jehovah's witness then really eh? Or I'd be seriously mis-informed. xXx

[phildee3]

what is your source for this statement?-i'm not NECESSARILY disagreeing with it but i'd be interested to know what your source is if it isn't too much trouble.



It is quite common knowledge in Gnostic Christianity.

Plus its obvious common sense, isn't it?

Here's a good comment too:
http://marpethappiness.blog-city.com/mary_virgin.htm



have YOU seen Zeitgeist phildee3?



no.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: kezann

(I'd typed reams about it the other day but my computer huffed up).


p.s. Thank you for pointing out my indescrepancy btw. I only have the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible, and often wish I'd got corellating ones to get a better view.

Good job I'm not a Jehovah's witness then really eh? Or I'd be seriously mis-informed. xXx

..............................

Here's a tip, first off type your posts into a word document, then copy and paste them into here.


Jehova's witnesses are Jews in disguise. Jehova is another name for Yaweh. The only time I nearly let them in when they came knocking was that one was a hot looking Jewess.

It's the Christian extremists same as any religion are mental. I can only speak of my own experiences here in the UK but the average Christian is the majority of saner, better type of person.

Your average Christian couldn't give two hoots about following their religion and are the least prejudiced and believe in their own free will and that of others. It's much less dogmatic and strict than other major religions ( Islam genital mutilation of men and women Shariah law now that's REAL surpression of women )

Hinduism arranged marriages, not allowed to marry other races or religions ( now that's racist and prejudiced ) A sick caste/class system, slaves and masters. The priesthood being the higher castes ( Brahmins )

Judaism can be dogmatic and strict too genital mutilation, and they are taught only Jews are God's chosen and none jews are no better than animals. And that's the tip of the iceburg look at this educate yourself.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703&highlight=talmud



Some rather insane people posting on this thread, none of them Christians :rolleyes:

[phildee3]

surely the fact can't be denied that Jesus is not of Joseph's bloodline.



I deny it. Pre-Roman scripture denies it. The Gnostic church denies it.



Mary wasn't inseminated by a man. Any man. (allegedly). It's a major thing that religion holds.



Roman Catholicism (and all its branches since it was created), yes.
But this obvious heresy was introduced two or three hundred years after Christianity began.



Matthew 3:7 "you offspring of vipers" any thoughts?



Jews.



I only have the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible, and often wish I'd got corellating ones to get a better view.



There are plenty of resources on the net, Kerry.

[phildee3]

this obvious heresy was introduced two or three hundred years after Christianity began.




Correction:

..."the doctrine of her "holy" or "immaculate" conception was first formulated in a tract by Eadmer, companion and biographer of the better-known St. Anselm, Archbishop of Canterbury (1033-1109)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

[lightgiver]

just ask yourself why are we here on this planet?we have a short time here on this earth,and what do we do.We pursue our self deluded beliefs onto each other and express it by violent methods.instead of communicating honestly with each other(after all we only have each other)our governments around the world are bickering like immature children.instead of sorting things out peacefully.just look back over history>MADNESS.They should be sorting it out like we are.we are all responsible,to make the world a better and peaceful place,by non violence.People who go round killing each other with their self deluded beliefs,that they are right,are definitely MENTALLY ILL?there is definitely something wrong with the people of this planet.and most of us know the ROOT cause?:)KILLING WITH ANGER IS ONE OF THE MOST NON VIRTUOUS ACTIONS YOU CAN PERFORM AS A HUMAN BEING.Remember you REAP what you SOW.I just think theres a lot of sheep around in wolves clothing.:)

[madthumbs]

Lars and the Real Girl (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/)

- This isn't unbelievable. There are men out there having romances with dolls:

Guys And Dolls
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710987618964917848

I'd feel safer around one of these guys than a person being led by a fictional book character.

[romas]

just ask yourself why are we here on this planet?we have a short time here on this earth,and what do we do.We pursue our self deluded beliefs onto each other and express it by violent methods.instead of communicating honestly with each other(after all we only have each other)our governments around the world are bickering like immature children.instead of sorting things out peacefully.just look back over history>MADNESS.They should be sorting it out like we are.we are all responsible,to make the world a better and peaceful place,by non violence.People who go round killing each other with their self deluded beliefs,that they are right,are definitely MENTALLY ILL?there is definitely something wrong with the people of this planet.and most of us know the ROOT cause?:)KILLING WITH ANGER IS ONE OF THE MOST NON VIRTUOUS ACTIONS YOU CAN PERFORM AS A HUMAN BEING.Remember you REAP what you SOW.I just think theres a lot of sheep around in wolves clothing.:)



I agree friend, as soon as I see some one screaming they know the will of the god I think it's pretty high chance they are nuts, it's more likely they saw a UFO than found out a true will of "god" or creation or however you want to call it.

It's self righteousness that's leading it to poor end and makes me very suspicious.

I find it funny when people "switch" religions, it sort of no longer suit their needs and they jump the ship?

Have a look on internet, countless of people claim they "heard the true voice" or found out the truth and real diety etc, would you think some one is fucking with their heads? Specifically where those beliefs go so far from one another, though I don't dispute them, I couldn't tell anyone to pick one, because I liked it, what if I am wrong? Now I'm also pulling more souls towards wrong path?

Mindboggling stuff ;)

[kezann]

There are plenty of resources on the net, Kerry.

I would just like to say that this hurt my feelings. I'm not having a go, but I firmly believe that if we don't communicate these things we will continue being, well, stuffed.

The reasons it hurt my feelings were a. My name's Kerry-Ann, and I always think that if a name is cut short in that way it's normally due to negative intent and b. I don't have time to read on the internet other copies of something I already have a copy of that relatively means the same thing. It truly smarts being in this head and I have enough other crap going on here to deal with without double, triple or quadruple versions of the same old spins.

I feel that the Bible is words of wisdom bastardised by cruel souls and sold to us as gospel. We had no control over that, and we shouldn't feel ashamed to hold up our hands and demand the truth.

I'm not here to cause arguements. Well, not snipy ones anyway. I just want us all to know exactly the same things. It's how it was meant to be all along.

[phildee3]

The reasons it hurt my feelings were a. My name's Kerry-Ann, and I always think that if a name is cut short in that way it's normally due to negative intent and b. I don't have time to read on the internet other copies of something I already have a copy of that relatively means the same thing. It truly smarts being in this head and I have enough other crap going on here to deal with without double, triple or quadruple versions of the same old spins.



Well, you're a strange one!
You were the one that said you wish you had other copies of the bible.
I was just letting you know that they are available on line.

I'm sorry I hurt you're feelings. I certainly didn't mean to.
It's pretty standard to use abbreviations for people's names on list.

[eternal_spirit]

Hi Kezann
my names David you can call me Dave or Davey, I'd still know it was me you where talking too.

What religion are you?

[kezann]

Oh my lord! Am I clueless as to the whys and wherefores of computers or what?! I don't know where the post is that I'm responding to to quote it, but I'm pretty sure you know I'm talking to you when I say that you can call me owt ya like hun!

Thank you for that. I'd have not slept well had I kept thinking I'd offended you.

Thanks, too, for the 'tip giving' thing. I appreciate all handy hints and tips. I was thinking more 'bookie' than 'e-bookie' though, so I can cross reference n stuff. That's a right tricky old fart with tethered bits of paper I can tell thee.

Keep giving me shit hun, in a nice way of course!

Mwah!
xXx

[kezann]

Hi Dave

I don't have a religion hun. Actually, it's probably better to say that I have all of them, they just won't have me!!

They're all right in their basics. Good/bad. Light/dark. Truth/lies. They've just been overcomplicated... and then some! (on purpose, of course)

We're actually really nice creatures. We're just indoctrinated to be bad, like kicking a puppy n stuff. Repeatedly warned against each other, so we just expect it. I refuse to agree. We're kind, we're just not given the chances to prove it.

Right, I'm switching this blumming computer off because I've a film to be watching and everyone's sat waiting in the living room getting impatient. I dont 'arf ramble when I get going but I have to tell ya, I'm really enjoying having somewhere to do it right now.

[eternal_spirit]

Hi Dave

I don't have a religion hun. Actually, it's probably better to say that I have all of them, they just won't have me!!

They're all right in their basics. Good/bad. Light/dark. Truth/lies. They've just been overcomplicated... and then some! (on purpose, of course)

We're actually really nice creatures. We're just indoctrinated to be bad, like kicking a puppy n stuff. Repeatedly warned against each other, so we just expect it. I refuse to agree. We're kind, we're just not given the chances to prove it.

Right, I'm switching this blumming computer off because I've a film to be watching and everyone's sat waiting in the living room getting impatient. I dont 'arf ramble when I get going but I have to tell ya, I'm really enjoying having somewhere to do it right now.

....................

I don't follow/practice any religion, but have enjoyed and have been shocked by the research I've done on many religions.

I was born a Roman Catholic at least I think that's what they call it, this type of Christianity and roman catholics ( are the most evil vilest and sickest bunch of all the people :rolleyes:on earth well that's the lie too many believe and preach )

I think there's a rumor ( something in the history books ) that I was responsible for burning a few satanic witches and my reputation has been tarred since. Oh I'm such an evil dispicable Catholic:rolleyes: yes it was me and my kind that's responsible for all the evil in this world:rolleyes:

Okay end of sarecasm :D

Have a nice day/night

:)

[eternal_spirit]

If there's any truth in the history books then there was some bad ass priests who may have tortured and burnt some innocents.

They did burn at the stake Jacques De Molay head of the knights templar, so they got that one right, orders of The King of France who was Catholic. Catholics weren't allowed to be Freemasons for centuries after could this be one reason.

[phildee3]

Most xians i've encountered aren't great readers of books or doers of research but they generally do watch tv/films--on that assumption, have YOU seen Zeitgeist phildee3? and if you have, do you not think it causes a serious problem for xity as it is u/stood by the 'simple faithful'?



I've just forced myself to watch the first 100 mins of Zeitgeist so I could answer your question, and it's confirmed to me why I never got past the first ten before.
To me, it's incredibly boring, because I've been through this stuff 100's of times.
Had a quick browse through the last section about banking, which is just the same regurgtated old stuff. Been there, done that...

My answer to your question is yes.

What's your point?

[skylark]

It is quite common knowledge in Gnostic Christianity.

Plus its obvious common sense, isn't it?

Here's a good comment too:
http://marpethappiness.blog-city.com/mary_virgin.htm



no.

phildee3---the origins of xity is a subject of immense interest to me and gnostic texts are of paramount importance with regard thereto; now pls be more specific than "it is quite common knowledge [gnosis ho ho ho]"/as for "obvious common sense"...

...well, are we in the realms of commonsense?...if this knowledge & sense is "common" pls quote chapter and verse...as i say i'm not NECESSARILY disagreeing/but i'm very interested in what your exact source is.

thanx

[phildee3]

i'm very interested in what your exact source is.



There is not just one, there are many.
I've quoted one.
How many do you want?
I could look in my books for you. I could search the net. How much of my energy should I give to you? At what point would you be satisfied?

[kezann]

What are the rules of 'sanity' anyways? Living in the here and now? Working the shifts? Oiling the corporate cogs? Giving our children away to the 'process', often kicking and screaming, as soon as they're capable of wiping their own arses? Believing that we're actually told the truth, no matter how illogical or incredulous - or blatantly false - that information may be? Having whatever they want us to learn beamed into our brains on a daily basis and going 'durrr, ok' because we don't have a spare 5 minutes in the day to sit and question the bugger?

Personally peeps, I ain't half glad I'm a chiffin' nutter!

I'm afraid I'm with Seal on this matter. 'We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.'

One thing that far too many of us do (me included) is forget that without fun, love, laughter and friendship, there really isn't that much to be fighting for.

That's why 'they' went to such elaborate (and down-right inhumane let's face it) lengths to breed the light out of us.

Fellow insaniacs, appreciate your uniqueness! For you are God and you are currently in the processes of saving our species!

Here endeth the rant

Kerry-Ann


xXx

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hey Kezann:

Thank for the: 'Squidgy Snogs'; never had any before, and I am still not quite sure what they are, but, Thank You, just the same.

Good Post!

[skylark]

i'm sorry phildee but this secondary source does NOT say what you claim it does, does it? do you think i'm being pedantic? to some whose interest doesn't lie here it might seem so but no! this particular point is a bone of contention amongst scholars and that's why i'm interested in WHOSE hands 'virgin' is rendered 'chaste'(SEE MY INITIAL POST)--not this particular author (who is by ALL accounts correct in his assertion that translating aramaic words into ancient greek ones is frought with difficulty and a reason why consensus is often hard to come by or when it is, is not overwhelming; i have some competence in ancient greek but not aramaic; let me tell you that there are 'scholars' and scholars in this explosive field of study-some of them NOT to be trusted as they are less concerned with accuracy as they are with smuggling meanings into their predetermined agendas)

if you can't supply me with an answer (or consider that you already have!!!?) or if it really is too much trouble for you to dig out this easy to locate (?)/"common knowledge" from one of your books then ok i fully accept that you're not my own personal gopher!--just interested in precise sources ---certainly not worth falling out over and i wish you well!

[pennycat]

maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

Most people I know who are "born again" do so during a really low point in their lives. Divorce, death, addiction, etc. I wouldn't say they are mentally ill people, I would say that they are in a vulnerable state a lot of times when they find a church they feel they belong to[/I]. Depending on how much control the church takes from the person will depend on how much it seems they have lost their mind...because they do give their "lives" over to God a lot of times, which includes their thoughts as well as a good percentage of their net income.

[pennycat]

maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

Most people I know who are "born again" do so during a really low point in their lives. Divorce, death, addiction, etc. I wouldn't say they are mentally ill people, I would say that they are in a vulnerable state a lot of times when they find a church they feel they belong to[/I]. Depending on how much control the church takes from the person will depend on how much it seems they have lost their mind...because they do give their "lives" over to God a lot of times, which includes their thoughts as well as a good percentage of their net income.

On a similar note, I still haven't worked up the courage to tell anyone but my husband that I have doubts about the life and times of Jesus (who I've believed in out of fear for 40 years) and that I'm entertaining the possibility that George Bush is a kimono dragon part time (or whatever those things are that fan their ear wings out to look bigger)...imagine if I told my Christian dad this, he'd at least try to have me exorcised or committed.

So it really depends on what side of the sanity line your on.

[skylark]

Most people I know who are "born again" do so during a really low point in their lives. Divorce, death, addiction, etc. I wouldn't say they are mentally ill people, I would say that they are in a vulnerable state a lot of times when they find a church they feel they belong to[/I]. Depending on how much control the church takes from the person will depend on how much it seems they have lost their mind...because they do give their "lives" over to God a lot of times, which includes their thoughts as well as a good percentage of their net income.

On a similar note, I still haven't worked up the courage to tell anyone but my husband that I have doubts about the life and times of Jesus (who I've believed in out of fear for 40 years) and that I'm entertaining the possibility that George Bush is a kimono dragon part time (or whatever those things are that fan their ear wings out to look bigger)...imagine if I told my Christian dad this, he'd at least try to have me exorcised or committed.

So it really depends on what side of the sanity line your on.


good luck/best wishes pennycat-i don't know if any of what i have to say is of any use to you or anyone else...but i'd recommend you take a long hard look at the ESSENES!--the scribes and the pharisees feature prominently in the 4 gospel narratives deemed safe enough to include in the NT (having been heavily doctored by the Early Church Fathers) but the essenes are excluded--why? hopefully you'll do a bit of digging! (...xity was still being invented in the 5thC as i've now tired of informing xians both here and elsewhere-they have what psychologists call a 'slide' response to such information); i declare an interest because it enslaved me for more than a couple of years--this is when i was in my teens--and i only escaped by studying it to the extent that i added ancient greek to my latin and now have a strong interest in mythology-stripping it down to the bone with various methodologies)

Jesus did exist as an historical 'personage' despite what these "controversial" "explosive" journalistic "No.1 bestseller(s)" (but 4th rate exegeses) say- and i have no axe to grind other than the Truth but you'll find your own way i'm sure should you choose to explore the origins of the cultural programming that's kept you, as you so honestly admit, in FEAR for so long. Jesus was an Essene; a deeply spiritual and holy man and a worker of 'miracles' and that lies at the heart of the matter and it's been concealed from the trusting populace; jesus of the political christist sect, the Christ, (khrestos/kristos) however, who suffered the prescribed punishment of crucifixion for his insurrection against Rome is a very different proposition altogether from the other chap!....xians, meaning 'the simple faithful' have been blindsided and tricked---by themselves!!! they have abnegated responsibility for their own spiritual welfare by handing it over to wolves in sheeps clothing; it's no exaggeration to say that they've given their minds away and are in a state of arrested development for like children they've accepted a literal teaching and allowed others to do their thinking for them; closed their ears to the Truth such as the grafting on of myth and stitching in of allegory --and on this basis i'd strongly urge you to persist with your questioning pennycat for that is where your and their salvation/liberation lies!.. those who have a thirst for the truth will discover to their delight that God has furnished them with all the faculties that they need and on a profound level it is the search/the process of questioning that counts as much as Truth itself! and you will be astonished by what is revealed! layer upon layer that speaks to your Heart in a spiritual symbolic language; that cannot be conveyed by the written word except by the use of symbols and once you think you have penetrated thru the veil of the exoteric and are now beginning to pierce to the core/the esoteric teaching...it suddenly hits you in a FLASH that you haven't even begun to scratch the surface and 20 hours in the day to study is not enough and nor is a thousand lifetimes; these mystics, of whichever tradition, use the sacred texts to go deep into their Hearts and the mistake on this forum so often made is that religion per se is evil where in actual fact this is not the case ofcourse but the interpretations put upon certain passages in certain texts by wicked men using religion as a tool for their political ends to manipulate the sheeple is the true evil; xians for instance do not realise that most of these american evangelists are in the pay of zionists! and as our very own dear David Icke amongst many others has set out; those Jews who xians blindly accept "for it is written" as God's chosen people and therefore by divine sanction occupy Palestine have absolutely no racial ties to that land and have no lawful claim to that land whatsoever; they are imposters and usurpers and you xian fundamentalists are the zionists unconscious tools in the Noo World Order! Building your own fucking prison ("and ours!" some would add) so we have EVERY right to be angry with you (i've already agreed with the motion that you are mentally ill in a previous post and not out of spite!-- it's my honest opinion- i won't repeat it here)(ER...THIS ISN'T DIRECTED AT YOU PENNYCAT; I'M USING STRONG TERMS TO ADDRESS THE HERD...BAAA BAAA BAAA BAAA)

--i can't emphasise enough just how important it is for the victims (and there are millions)of this vampyric and highly contagious Cult to wash themselves clean of its warped teaching of millenia that has over 70% (i'd hazard) of the west in its clutches-consciously, Unconsciously or both-

--because it is now by my reckoning being skilfully manoevred into place; "and what rough beast it's hour come round atlast slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?" (W.B.Yeats); a multi-faceted drama of epic proportions is unfolding behind the scenes and organised xity is but one of the props 'they' are using in this war for human consciousness--


this is a time of revealing--'the walls of jericho' are tumbling down all around us; we are most of us only now in recent years beginning to see glimpses of the gigantic conspiracy of ages; it's sheer majesty and genius the product of an unfathomable (as yet) and diabolical intellect whose scope or magnitude beggars belief!--and it's most powerful weapons have always been F E A R and social control through ignorance which we must counter with L O V E and freedom of thought leading to knowledge and wisdom; and not with anger (unless it be righteous) or hatred or recrimination will this behemoth be defeated-such emotions as these will only feed it; L O V E is anathama to this Beast, is a truly revolutionary act like Truth ! and you will discover it in the NT both in and amongst the profound allegory and the dross... but mainstream xity (the subject of this thread) is an arrogant and ignorant and divisive i'm-allright-jack fear-based belief system and its adherents are enmeshed in a false reality that will make them en bloc a pawn in this 'game' and cost them incalcuably dear (for it is a catastrophe to mix the most powerful truths with dangerous and destructive lies); i want to grab hold of them and shake them til they rattle!- but they are what they are and have been sent by God to try my/our patience (courtesy of Bill Hicks) who finds it this moment, God, not Hicks, in a state of disrepair, but the xians will, i pray, ultimately see the error of their ways before it is too late for them to repent their damnable--were God a sadist!---ways.

not worth getting too worked up about it is it? --xians, i'm sorry! i'm not practising what i preach/tolerance and non-judgementalism...i'm being as intolerant and judgemental and bigoted toward you as you are to others, someone like myself for instance, who cannot unlearn ancient greek and historical exegesis and close his heart and forget his honestly laboured for Understanding and who has infact found "Christ" but found him lacking...and instead found Jesus the Essene alive and well and exiled from the hearts and minds of the deceived and Jesus tells me (you think this is a conceit, dont you?) that i'll realize my own 'divinity' as he did, in my own good 'time' and to keep the Faith (in myself) and unconditional love for my brothers and sisters both human and animal and plant and mineral...and much will be revealed in the very near future!

Good morning/afternoon/evening if you got to this point in the narrative. Here endeth. Amen.

[lifeofbrian]

Jesus did exist as an historical 'personage'

Sure. One of the few who got their act together and overcame polarity.

[skylark]

Sure. One of the few who got their act together and overcame polarity.

yes, that makes sense to me.

[madthumbs]

Don't you hate it when someone tries to tell you who your imaginary friend is or isn't?

[skylark]

Don't you hate it when someone tries to tell you who your imaginary friend is or isn't?

would you care to unpack the analogy further so that i can be clear on what it is you're saying?

best wishes

[bicycle]

for sometime now ive started to wonder if christians are deluded but i keep seeing and hearing them with all their zeal and brainwashed propagandised guru following passion spouting extreme fairytale nonesense when i came to think that perhaps it isnt a delusion, maybe they are mentally ill.......they need help, its time to stop mocking them and try to help them...poor souls. any of you guys thought anything similar?

PEOPLE with strong religious beliefs are more likely to smile at you like some kind of unhinged, homicidal maniac, according to a new study.


Researchers said people of faith have a more optimistic outlook and are able to cope better with stressful situations such as divorce, unemployment and dismembering a body in the bath.

The study also found that devout Christians developed a serene, far away look in their eyes, which suggested they were either at peace, or wondering whether to grill or pan fry your internal organs.

Dr Tom Logan, of the Institute for Studies, said: "Atheists tend to smile in that resigned, world-weary fashion that makes you think they're normal people just like you. The Germans call it WELTSCHMERZ!

"Meanwhile, those who attend Church regularly smile in that sweet, generous and strangely unflinching way that makes you think they're about to plunge an ice pick into your chest."

But Wayne Hayes, a volunteer parishioner at the First Evangelical Church in Savannah, Georgia, dismissed the findings, adding: "My dear, why nothin' could be further from the truth.

"My oh my, you surely do have some silly notions runnin' around inside that head of yours.

"Now, before I forget, I do believe I have a copy of that book concernin' the Revelation of St Paul that you were so very keen to borrow.

"Come and help me look for it in the basement."

[ticker]

Mentally ill? Perhaps some of them..

Brainwashed? Extremely.

Watch this young lad and read the comments and you decide.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY&feature=related

TiCkEr

[tinmenace]

Mentally ill? Perhaps some of them..

Brainwashed? Extremely.

Watch this young lad and read the comments and you decide.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY&feature=related

TiCkEr

"Where in the bible.... http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/icon_blah.gif"

Using a mostly-fictional book as the foundation for his argument :rolleyes:

Typical wanker http://vb.spiritual-nature.com/images/smilies/icon_wank.gif

[steevo]

Mentally ill? Perhaps some of them..

Brainwashed? Extremely.

Watch this young lad and read the comments and you decide.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY&feature=related

TiCkEr

I watched the first 8 mins.
What a horribily brainwashed kid. Very sheep like. As he gets older I think he may start to question things. I hope so anyway.

[ticker]

I watched the first 8 mins.
What a horribily brainwashed kid. Very sheep like. As he gets older I think he may start to question things. I hope so anyway.

I hope so too. Also, actually go to the youtube site and read the comments regarding this video if you get the chance. He seems to be getting much praise regarding his video unfortunately.. fueling his ego will only cloud his judgment even further.

TiCkEr

[steevo]

I hope so too. Also, actually go to the youtube site and read the comments regarding this video if you get the chance. He seems to be getting much praise regarding his video unfortunately..

TiCkEr

Yeah I had a quick peek and saw the comments. We have to remember that the vast majority of people who watch his videos are also brainwashed :rolleyes:
Yes I agree those comments will fuel his ego which will likely give him a false sense of power (or whatever) and it aint gonna be good for his ability to make the right choices in life. Anyway, yeah hope he gets out of that mess he is in.

[ticker]

I watched the first 8 mins.
What a horribily brainwashed kid. Very sheep like. As he gets older I think he may start to question things. I hope so anyway.

I hope so too. Also, actually go to the youtube site and read the comments regarding this video if you get the chance. He seems to be getting much praise regarding his video unfortunately..

TiCkEr

[becky]

Brainwashed is right. I think Thomas Paine said it best that religion is an accident of birth. Few chose their religion, they inherit whatever the parents believe. Christianity has a history of bloodshed and oppression that rivals what the 'mother' church did with the inquisitions. Protestants had an inquistion that most refuse to even discuss..not to mention the witch trials. Martin Luther and Calvin both were horrible brutal men. If you want to read insane rants, read their works. Let me see, is it insane to kill because others disagree? Is it insane for mothers to drown their own children because god told them too? Is it insane to damn people to a burning hell because they don't choose to believe the bible? Christianity with its missionaries and Puritans helped greatly in the genocide of American Indians because they considered them heathens. Christians had no problem owning slaves because the bible does not comdemn slavery. Women have been degraded and reduced to the level of property or cattle because this is what the bible teaches. Christians love the OT god who condoned theft, murder and rape of women and little girls! Are these things insane? YES. All christians are not insane but they are on the right path if insanity is what they desire. Look at most of the christian leaders and you will hear insanity in action.