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process
10-04-2008, 05:51 PM
I'd like to know people's view on hell & heaven.
Do they exist..? according to a lot religions they do.
What do u guy's think...
Are bad people really going to hell, and good people to heaven...?
octopusrex
10-04-2008, 07:33 PM
I'd like to know people's view on hell & heaven.
Do they exist..? according to a lot religions they do.
What do u guy's think...
Are bad people really going to hell, and good people to heaven...?
You go where your attention is. Any battlefield is hell, and yet millions of children relish Max Steel. Folks spend a lot of time meditating on their Gods/Devas/Spiritual teachers... They go there, with that entity.
madthumbs
10-04-2008, 09:02 PM
Hell: The Grave
Heaven: The expanse of space around the earth
One is in the earth, and the other above it.
There is no heaven and hell as said by the mainstream religions. hell and heaven is what you make on earth. if you want you can make it heaven or leave it to turn into hell. dont be in a wrong impression that if you follow your gods words you will be assured heaven. no one has ever come back to tell the true tale of what goes in grave or heaven or hell. its just common sense.
devyn
11-04-2008, 09:37 AM
There is no heaven and hell as said by the mainstream religions. hell and heaven is what you make on earth. if you want you can make it heaven or leave it to turn into hell. dont be in a wrong impression that if you follow your gods words you will be assured heaven. no one has ever come back to tell the true tale of what goes in grave or heaven or hell. its just common sense.
Going along with what you said, IMO heaven and hell are states of mind that we experience in the here and now. We are in heaven when we feel love and peace and harmony. We are in hell when we are sick or in negative states of mind, slowing down our vibration.
may37
11-04-2008, 11:17 AM
IMHO heaven and hell are places created by religions into controlling the masses; Christianity is a fine example, distorting truth for self power.
There is no such thing as hell; why would a loving God, an understanding and companionate God condemn any individual to eternal torture? Apart from it’s a contradiction-in-terms, it’s simply unimaginable.
Earth is hell, and once your life is completed, your true self will leave the physical and return back to the real world; which you could call heaven.
optimus pigpot
11-04-2008, 11:42 AM
You go where your attention is. Any battlefield is hell, and yet millions of children relish Max Steel. Folks spend a lot of time meditating on their Gods/Devas/Spiritual teachers... They go there, with that entity.
When was this? When did you go? How do you know? Not being funny Octo but once again are you not being very presupmtious. What evidence do you have to back up your claims. It seems that you say what you say as it's all nicey, nicey.
Nothing like conjecture and heresay to bolster an unfounded argument.
Going along with what you said, IMO heaven and hell are states of mind that we experience in the here and now. We are in heaven when we feel love and peace and harmony. We are in hell when we are sick or in negative states of mind, slowing down our vibration.
exactly. when every body feels love and peace and harmony, the world would be a heaven.
octopusrex
11-04-2008, 04:10 PM
When was this? When did you go? How do you know? Not being funny Octo but once again are you not being very presupmtious. What evidence do you have to back up your claims. It seems that you say what you say as it's all nicey, nicey.
Nothing like conjecture and heresay to bolster an unfounded argument.
Piggie: if you had ingested an eigth of the substances I have, you would know heaven and you would know hell... Guaranteed.
Heaven and hell are right here right now.. Depends on your point of view.
process
11-04-2008, 11:04 PM
check this out: http://yourgoingtohell.com
and check this other site too....http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
On this site, you can hear the screams of the damned...Scary!
But i don't know about this, but some people are taking hell, or the lake that burns with fire..very, very seriously.
tinmenace
11-04-2008, 11:10 PM
It's a state of mind.
optimus pigpot
11-04-2008, 11:22 PM
Piggie: if you had ingested an eigth of the substances I have, you would know heaven and you would know hell... Guaranteed.
Heaven and hell are right here right now.. Depends on your point of view.
Once again proof not belief is needed!!!!!!!!
octopusrex
12-04-2008, 02:00 AM
Lad, take the trip down LSD lane with me and you will see with your owne eyes.
Supplies are limited.
optimus pigpot
12-04-2008, 02:13 AM
Lad, take the trip down LSD lane with me and you will see with your owne eyes.
Supplies are limited.
... moved on since then. All grown up now... Responsibilities and all that...
octopusrex
12-04-2008, 03:23 AM
... moved on since then. All grown up now... Responsibilities and all that...
Never too late to trip, mon.
madthumbs
12-04-2008, 07:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQu1TBIMSSk
optimus pigpot
12-04-2008, 07:13 AM
Never too late to trip, mon.
I shall though leave that to you my friend. My best wishes on your voyage.
octopusrex
12-04-2008, 06:26 PM
I shall though leave that to you my friend. My best wishes on your voyage.
Many are called. Few are chosen.
turquoisefyre
13-04-2008, 10:39 AM
this book i read about a decade ago out of interest. scary stuff. then i lost interest. but i'll be getting it again soon for a second opinion that i didn't have with my current life experience/knowledge:
A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divine-Revelation-Hell-Mary-Baxter/dp/0883682796/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208075389&sr=1-3)
http://g.christianbook.com/g/display/6/689480.gif
this one i havn't read, but i'll be getting my hands on it soon probably also:
A Divine Revelation of Heaven by Mary K. Baxter (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divine-Revelation-Heaven-T-Lowery/dp/0883685248/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208075389&sr=1-2)
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/19380000/19387200.JPG
romas
13-04-2008, 04:15 PM
It's a state of mind.
I agree, beings who done alot of wrong in their life seem to have hard time dying, there was a show on coast2coast about pre-death experiences, very interesting.
When my dogs were dying they both had visions, literraly couple of days before death they are totaly changed, one was always staring at me, like saying good bye and I knew it and we parted.
And the other would not lay down, she refused to lay down for 3 days and would look into window etc as if she was seeing something. She finally fell down and died after 3 days.
romas
13-04-2008, 04:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQu1TBIMSSk
lol that's sweet xD
lightgiver
14-04-2008, 12:10 AM
nothing exists outside of the mind, your mind is heaven or hell,and all reality is created by the mind.:):):)
lightgiver
14-04-2008, 12:52 AM
Ageing is like an immovable mountain Decay is like an immovable mountain Sickness is like an immovable mountain Death is like an immovable mountain .The three worlds are as impermanent as autumn clouds, .The birth and death of beings are like the entrance and exit of actors on the stage. .The lifespan of a living being passes like lightning in the sky and perishes as quickly as water falling from a high mountain. .Although we wish to be rid of suffering we create the cause of this very suffering. Although we wish for happiness, Like enemies,out of ignorance,we destroy our happiness. The actions of living beings are never wasted even though hundreds of aeon's may pass before their effects are experienced.:)
lightgiver
14-04-2008, 01:56 AM
this earth is starting to resemble hell,with whats going on and whats gone on since people have been around,even animals behave better than what most so called human beings behave like,what do you think.:)
kblood
14-04-2008, 02:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbPSGZO_q8&NR=1
I found this quite interesting. Especially because I have said something similar myself without knowing about it. Sometimes I talk about stuff and realise I dont know about it, or didnt ought to know about it. As if I am using the memory of something from either another lifetime or maybe the greater conciousnes. I think Rudolf Steiner had a nice definition of it, but I dont remember it at the moment.
But what it says is generally, heaven and hell is on Earth. I am not sure how reincarnation works, but it seems to me that souls... branch out like branches on a tree. The most healthy of them becomes firm branches with lots of... leaves and such on it. I think I need to improve my english to explain it better. The branches of souls and families though, must be very different. Especially since as I see it, our souls should be able to reincarnate both in the future and the past. Heck, even in the same timeline. The reason why is because we all come from the conciousness that everything sprouted from. The same conciousness we continue to come from and go back to, even while we live in it.
What I like the most about this vid, is how it shows something I also found real although not exactly the same way, some years ago. I adviced on some US radio or maybe it was International, that we began making underground shelters, in case we had to face some great disastors in the future. I was told that amazingly enough underground cities had actually been discovered. I didnt get to know wether they were inhabited or not though, but they could be all over the world I guess. Or maybe its due to hollow Earth, although I am still not sure about that one. It seems a bit too fantastic for me to believe it fully. Then again, wouldnt be the first thing that indeed seem too fantastic for me to believe that I have had to realise wasnt really that fantastic at all in the greater picture.
So maybe its not just our future, it could in fact be right now, that we have a kind of hell underneath Earths surface, and we have heaven up here. Could be, but since I do not really believe in evil, I guess its a bit of both. Heaven and hell both high and low, it is all what we make of it :) I have already decided that no matter what happens, I will stay on the surface as long as possible. That is, if no great disasters happen, then I will just stay up here. I guess a short sightseeing trip might not be out of the question though :D
lightgiver
14-04-2008, 02:43 AM
nothing exists outside of the mind.when you realize Emptiness you will understand,only you can do this others can help but only you can realize it.what you are today and what you experience is what you have accumulated in your actions of body,speech and mind in past lives.what you are today will determine what you are in future lives.happiness is state of mind and so is sadness.The middle way is a good way.remember you cannot fight fire with fire, but you can extinguish fire with water.be like water.water fits any shape.
adramelech
14-04-2008, 03:46 AM
"Hell" can be traced back to the domain of Enki in Africa, known as "southern lands" or "under world" (the lands south/below). The "lower world", or proper netherworld was depicted as a system of vast underground caverns, complete with subterranean cities, indiginous (non human) inhabitants, large gates and guarded entrances.
"Heaven" is outer space, the original home of the gods before some descended to Earth. A clear distinction is made between "Heaven" and "The Great Above", which included everything from the surface of the Earth (not the underworld) to the "top of the sky", or the atmosphere.
kblood
14-04-2008, 11:11 AM
"Hell" can be traced back to the domain of Enki in Africa, known as "southern lands" or "under world" (the lands south/below). The "lower world", or proper netherworld was depicted as a system of vast underground caverns, complete with subterranean cities, indiginous (non human) inhabitants, large gates and guarded entrances.
"Heaven" is outer space, the original home of the gods before some descended to Earth. A clear distinction is made between "Heaven" and "The Great Above", which included everything from the surface of the Earth (not the underworld) to the "top of the sky", or the atmosphere.
Interesting. How did you figure this out? Read it somewhere?
octopusrex
14-04-2008, 03:26 PM
nothing exists outside of the mind.when you realize Emptiness you will understand,only you can do this others can help but only you can realize it.what you are today and what you experience is what you have accumulated in your actions of body,speech and mind in past lives.what you are today will determine what you are in future lives.happiness is state of mind and so is sadness.The middle way is a good way.remember you cannot fight fire with fire, but you can extinguish fire with water.be like water.water fits any shape.
You better pinch yourself then.
romas
14-04-2008, 06:02 PM
nothing exists outside of the mind.when you realize Emptiness you will understand,only you can do this others can help but only you can realize it.what you are today and what you experience is what you have accumulated in your actions of body,speech and mind in past lives.what you are today will determine what you are in future lives.happiness is state of mind and so is sadness.The middle way is a good way.remember you cannot fight fire with fire, but you can extinguish fire with water.be like water.water fits any shape.
Outside of your mind other minds exist, the pile of these minds create hell or heaven on earth.
Look into the nature, one eats another, because their minds cannot find another way.
Are we not exact same up to now? People eat each other, especially the rich who want to get wealthier and eat others in the process.
It is indeed a state of mind, service to self.
kblood
14-04-2008, 07:35 PM
Outside of your mind other minds exist, the pile of these minds create hell or heaven on earth.
Look into the nature, one eats another, because their minds cannot find another way.
Are we not exact same up to now? People eat each other, especially the rich who want to get wealthier and eat others in the process.
It is indeed a state of mind, service to self.
Hmmm, I somewhat agree.
However other minds exists within our minds, since we can find everything within ourselves that we can find outside of our body. I think its wether we choose to view everything through our singularity that our body helps us to have, or through our spirit which is in the end everything that surrounds us.
That is my guess anyway. I redefine it alot but I am trying to define singularity better.
lightgiver
15-04-2008, 01:33 AM
abandon self cherishing, self grasping, everything is empty of inherent existence . :)
madthumbs
15-04-2008, 04:02 AM
Gehenna is often translated to "Hell" particularly in the KJV
Gehenna:
The valley of Hinnom, near Jerusalem, where some of the
Israelites sacrificed their children to Moloch, which, on
this account, was afterward regarded as a place of
abomination, and made a receptacle for all the refuse of the
city, perpetual fires being kept up in order to prevent
pestilential effluvia. In the New Testament the name is
transferred, by an easy metaphor, to Hell.
-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48
I believe the early catholic church wanted to scare people into their religion, and also used it and purgatory to profit off the memories of the dead.
eternal_spirit
15-04-2008, 04:19 AM
Madthumbs what religion where you born into?
lightgiver
18-04-2008, 06:57 PM
You better pinch yourself then.
the I and Phenomena exists only conventionally not ultimately.when you say I meaning(yourself)you will not find it,only the parts of it for example if you point to your hand or any part of the body you will only find parts of? it is only labels we use to name things so we can get by.if you investigate this you will find it is true,it takes a while so be patient.another simpler explanation a car is made from parts but you will never find a truly existent car, only parts. labels are just terms for the collection of parts,if you examine deeply you will find this is true for all phenomena,yourself and others.it sounds difficult to understand, took me years to fully understand,so just be patient and research.:)also we impute the i on everything we think to be truly existent when it is not,and this is why sentient beings are suffering in the realms of samsara,through this belief.ATTACHMENT,HATRED and IGNORANCE The THREE POISONS,keep us bound in the prison of samsara.