Dinosaurs and Giant Humans ?

[thelucifer]

Here is something I have thought about for years.



In the pre flood (Noah’s flood-atmospheric collapse, as I call it, in the thread Global Warming - My Theory http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22795 ) world things grew faster and lived longer, because the atmospheric pressure was higher with a higher amount of oxygen, a Hyperbaric Chamber-condition for the Whole world.
The Garden of Eden.
Everything was super healthy and there were no anaerobic critters like viruses cancers etc thriving as today.
A reptile never stops growing its whole life, in the pre flood world they grew much faster and lived much longer, hence a Dinosaur/giant lizard.
Dinosaurs did NOT go extinct, they are still here, just smaller.
The earth is not millions of years old and man did walk with dinosaurs, and still does !!


To understand why things grew much bigger, and understand that man did live/walk with the dinosaurs, is to understand that man grew much faster (and lived much longer) and much bigger as well
Man was 2 - 4 times bigger than today (a 12 foot person being small), and because of the Hyperbaric-condition, man could run all day without getting winded, unlike today.

People say man could not have survived with the dinosaurs, I beg to differ,
1. A handful of men 20 feet tall could take on a very large creature with just some simple tools (spears, big spears etc)
2. The Bible says man AND animals ate plant food (vegetarian), they didn’t kill and eat each other.

Genesis 1:
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


Interesting, it even says the animals ate plant food.



After the flood, life spans shorten, and things get/are smaller.



The pre flood world was hugely different than today.
Just imagining animals not eating each other is a tough one.


I have read that very large fossilized human foot prints have been found.


Jack and the Beanstalk, is the beanstalk a link to the past ?
Do we have Giant skeletons in our closet ?

[esse]

Interesting... The Peruvian Ica Stones depict humans and dinosaurs living together - they are evidence that this was the case - and there are many examples of giant human remains that have been found - indigenous peoples around the world also know and speak of these past ancestors...

As for yr theory of us shrinking along with the dinosaurs - I think that's pretty interesting, don't know if the reptilians are the same as the dinosaurs tho' - they seem to be different, only one species - not all sorts of variety - and with a much greater brain capacity... Still, interesting, never thought of it like that - no doubt they've been with us a long time.

Check out the Ica Stones - google that - I think you'd really dig finding out about them.

[shenoma]

It is all true.

[grannymoose]

never thought of it like this, some how also my brain doesn't deny it

[amethyst]

Here is something I have thought about for years.



In the pre flood (Noah’s flood-atmospheric collapse, as I call it, in the thread Global Warming - My Theory http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22795 ) world things grew faster and lived longer, because the atmospheric pressure was higher with a higher amount of oxygen, a Hyperbaric Chamber-condition for the Whole world.
The Garden of Eden.
Everything was super healthy and there were no anaerobic critters like viruses cancers etc thriving as today.
A reptile never stops growing its whole life, in the pre flood world they grew much faster and lived much longer, hence a Dinosaur/giant lizard.
Dinosaurs did NOT go extinct, they are still here, just smaller.
The earth is not millions of years old and man did walk with dinosaurs, and still does !!


To understand why things grew much bigger, and understand that man did live/walk with the dinosaurs, is to understand that man grew much faster (and lived much longer) and much bigger as well
Man was 2 - 4 times bigger than today (a 12 foot person being small), and because of the Hyperbaric-condition, man could run all day without getting winded, unlike today.

People say man could not have survived with the dinosaurs, I beg to differ,
1. A handful of men 20 feet tall could take on a very large creature with just some simple tools (spears, big spears etc)
2. The Bible says man AND animals ate plant food (vegetarian), they didn’t kill and eat each other.

Genesis 1:
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


Interesting, it even says the animals ate plant food.



After the flood, life spans shorten, and things get/are smaller.



The pre flood world was hugely different than today.
Just imagining animals not eating each other is a tough one.


I have read that very large fossilized human foot prints have been found.


Jack and the Beanstalk, is the beanstalk a link to the past ?
Do we have Giant skeletons in our closet ?

Well if you read any of the biblical accounts, Goliath (the story of David and Goliath) was very large and other dudes like Og of Bashan were huge. They were related to the nephillim. If they were part extra-terrestrial super men, they probably would have been huge as a result.

Here's a link:http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Mid.East/Giants.Mid.East14.html

and this:http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Mid.East/Giants.Mid.East9.html

[thelucifer]

Well if you read any of the biblical accounts, Goliath (the story of David and Goliath) was very large and other dudes like Og of Bashan were huge. They were related to the nephillim. If they were part extra-terrestrial super men, they probably would have been huge as a result.

Here's a link:http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Mid.East/Giants.Mid.East14.html

and this:http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Mid.East/Giants.Mid.East9.html

Yes I have read the Biblical stuff and the links you posted.

These big guys like Goliath are exceptions and plus there are no dinosaurs like TRex etc running around.

Understand, everything, trees, dragonflies, mammals, and humans were all huge.

Goliath is said to have been about 9 feet tall. While being huge for our era, post flood, thats very small for the preflood era of the dinosaurs.

Dragonflies with 2 foot + wing span, centipedes with 1 foot wide tracks being 6 feet long.

None of this is in the Bible.


Much of the giant talk in the Bible is symbolical.

[galactic_stargazer]

I watched a program the other day that proved, scientifically, that in the beginning everything on earth was larger, including humans...what that means right now, I have no idea nor do I care at the moment!

[2013]

Amazon.com: Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race (9780892132942): Michael A. Cremo, Richard L. Thompson: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HYMA3GHBL.@@AMEPARAM@@51HYMA3GHBL
I really must get a copy of this book
lots of similar info in there .
Product Description
Over the centuries, researchers have found bones and artifacts proving that humans like us have existed for millions of years. Mainstream science, however, has suppressed these facts. Prejudices based on current scientific theory act as a knowledge filter, giving us a picture of prehistory that is largely incorrect.
http://www.mcremo.com/index.html

A site dedicated to these discoveries .One of which i believe was a large gold chain embedded in a large chunk of coal .The time period was around the 1800's the woman who had the coal was trying to break it into two to fit it into her fire when it broke it was joined by a chain linking the two pieces so had been underground for a long long time .here is another link to info and much more concerning that claim

http://s8int.com/page8.html

Also some people believe that the statues of theancient egyptians in their temples are life size .That would certainly expalin the great structures around the world .If the people where that tall then it would be easier to build and engineer such huge structures .:D

[popeye11]

Well, you do wonder why the pyramid steps and other buildings appear to be made for giants. Humans now-a-days look like ants going through those places. That could help explain how they heisted those blocks of rock unless they had helicopters like in some of the Egyptian pictures.
But then why are the underground doors made so small? Like they were built for something smaller like the grays or snakes to squiggle through.

[amethyst]

Yes I have read the Biblical stuff and the links you posted.

These big guys like Goliath are exceptions and plus there are no dinosaurs like TRex etc running around.

Understand, everything, trees, dragonflies, mammals, and humans were all huge.

Goliath is said to have been about 9 feet tall. While being huge for our era, post flood, thats very small for the preflood era of the dinosaurs.

Dragonflies with 2 foot + wing span, centipedes with 1 foot wide tracks being 6 feet long.

None of this is in the Bible.


Much of the giant talk in the Bible is symbolical.

Yes, but did you ever read a bit about this "Og" guy ....I think he's more than just symbolic.....he was literally huge, and because of his size, scared the Israelites.

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/og2.html

The print is small on the above link, but still has some interesting information, about ufos and stuff too

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=3

http://oznog.org/?q=node/263

[amethyst]

"Today there is archeological evidence to back up the biblical stories of Nephilim in the Promised Land. Writer Gary Stearman had this to say about ruins in the region that the Canaanites occupied during ancient times:


Today, tourists marvel at the ruins in this region. They are of truly gigantic proportion. As we have written earlier, "Here, and northward into Syria and Lebanon, there are the remains of ancient buildings and temples that stagger the imagination. For example, the ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon's Beqa' a Valley are so massive that some have suggested they could not be duplicated, even using modern building techniques.

"On the Acropolis of Baalbek, stood a temple dedicated to the storm god Hadad. It was 60 feet wide and 290 feet long, surrounded by 19 columns, each 62 feet high and over seven feet in diameter. But its flooring stones - still intact - are each larger than a modern railroad boxcar. No one can imagine how they were moved into place."29


How an ancient people might have built such structures is a mystery. Unless, of course, the ruins were made by a people much larger than regular human beings."

taken from: http://www.stevequayle.com/books/Angels.chpt1.4.html

[thelucifer]

How an ancient people might have built such structures is a mystery. Unless, of course, the ruins were made by a people much larger than regular human beings."


Im not going to doubt there were large people mentioned in the Bible but they are exceptions, in the days of the dinosaurs there were no exceptions, all were not just large but huge.
And again there is no mention of dinosaurs running around and certainly they would have been mentioned.

Do you understand the Hyperbaric Chamber effect on living things ?

[esse]

I remember talking to a Peruvian friend who informed me that his people are aware that the ones who lived there before (Mayan's Aztecs) were much larger - giants compared to us, he pointed out that all the remains of their cities were built for a much larger race of humans, and that people there felt these ancient ones just disappeared somehow, as there were no genetic relatives left - the people who live there now are so different to the ancient ones he said. No tall people at all there now, they are all very short - he said the ancient ones were not like this at all.

[amethyst]

Im not going to doubt there were large people mentioned in the Bible but they are exceptions, in the days of the dinosaurs there were no exceptions, all were not just large but huge.
And again there is no mention of dinosaurs running around and certainly they would have been mentioned.

Do you understand the Hyperbaric Chamber effect on living things ?

I think before biblical times, I've read that other people existed,(during the dinosaur times) before this "present" earth age. Have you read about the three earth ages?

Not that familiar with it, but it seems plausible.

Not sure what the Hyperbaric Chamber effect is.

[thelucifer]

I remember talking to a Peruvian friend who informed me that his people are aware that the ones who lived there before (Mayan's Aztecs) were much larger - giants compared to us, he pointed out that all the remains of their cities were built for a much larger race of humans, and that people there felt these ancient ones just disappeared somehow, as there were no genetic relatives left - the people who live there now are so different to the ancient ones he said. No tall people at all there now, they are all very short - he said the ancient ones were not like this at all.


Something I wanted to do (nearly 10 years ago now) but cant afford too, is raise Dobermans (dogs) using peroxide/oxygen that would be at least twice the size they are now, and then ride them around the lake/town for shock value.
A couple studies I read talked about using Peroxide in drinking water for mice and the mice growing twice as big.
Anther study using peroxide in the drinking water showed the mice lived twice as long.

My plan was to do better than just using peroxide in the water.

I figured it would take several generations to get the dogs free of toxins etc so as to achieve fast growth from birth.

I mention this because I wonder how many generations it took for size etc to come down to half way "normal"/small size as we know today, as you mention.
Did some manage (for whatever reason, ethnicity, diet practises, location etc) to stay healthier/large longer than others ?
No doubt there is a lot of variables to ponder through.

[thelucifer]

I think before biblical times, I've read that other people existed,(during the dinosaur times) before this "present" earth age. Have you read about the three earth ages?

Not that familiar with it, but it seems plausible.

Not sure what the Hyperbaric Chamber effect is.

3 earth ages !
Yes I have, perhaps I'll go into that in another post.

Ive been onto the Oxygen/Peroxide/Ozone thing since the early 90's.

If one does not understand the whole oxygen (Hyperbaric chamber condition for whole world) thing one will not be able to understand the whole dinosaur (animals/plants/humans) size thing, thus will not understand dinosaurs still being alive today, just smaller.

All the bad microbes are anearobic, they cant live in a high oxygen condition.
I strongly urge all to look into it, especially if you know a loved one (or non loved one for that matter) with cancer or any degenerative disease.

[2013]

3 earth ages !
Yes I have, perhaps I'll go into that in another post.

Ive been onto the Oxygen/Peroxide/Ozone thing since the early 90's.

If one does not understand the whole oxygen (Hyperbaric chamber condition for whole world) thing one will not be able to understand the whole dinosaur (animals/plants/humans) size thing, thus will not understand dinosaurs still being alive today, just smaller.

All the bad microbes are anearobic, they cant live in a high oxygen condition.
I strongly urge all to look into it, especially if you know a loved one (or non loved one for that matter) with cancer or any degenerative disease.

Have you any experience of mms so called miracle mineral supplement , sodium chlorite solution mixed with citric acid . Jim humble american inventor came up with the solution in africa to treat malaria .

[thelucifer]

Have you any experience of mms so called miracle mineral supplement , sodium chlorite solution mixed with citric acid . Jim humble american inventor came up with the solution in africa to treat malaria .


No, but mineral deficiency (dietary deficiency) is certainly a prime root problem of acidosis.

As the body becomes acidic it looses its ability to retain oxygen.
The more and more acidic the body becomes the less and less oxygen the body retains.
Which is exactly what the bad guys (microbes) like.
Simply correcting the mineral (dietary) deficiency is enough in most cases to bring the bodies PH (oxygen retaining ability) back to alkaline.
But I urge using Oxygen supplements (peroxide etc) non the less.
It’s the most practical way of getting back towards the Hyperbaric chamber condition the world once knew.
We are oxygen loving critters.


I will look into it, thanks.

[esse]

Neat-O Not so familiar with these ideas, but you have reminded me of a friend that did speak to me about this - saying how he wanted to make giant insects - talking about how insects would be enormous if grown in these conditions... Riding a dragonfly to school LOL
I'll have to have a proper read about these matters...
Cheers :)

[amethyst]

3 earth ages !
Yes I have, perhaps I'll go into that in another post.

Ive been onto the Oxygen/Peroxide/Ozone thing since the early 90's.

If one does not understand the whole oxygen (Hyperbaric chamber condition for whole world) thing one will not be able to understand the whole dinosaur (animals/plants/humans) size thing, thus will not understand dinosaurs still being alive today, just smaller.

All the bad microbes are anearobic, they cant live in a high oxygen condition.
I strongly urge all to look into it, especially if you know a loved one (or non loved one for that matter) with cancer or any degenerative disease.

Oh goody, would love to read your info. on the three earth ages! I would like to learn more :D

[thelucifer]

Oh goody, would love to read your info. on the three earth ages! I would like to learn more :D

Oh goody !

Ah yes, the false good.

I ask myself, why respond to sarcasm ?

Go ahead, you tell me about the first two ages (if thats goody with you) since the third is not relevant to this thread, and I'll respond/converse accordingly.

Gen. 1:28 replenish

etc
etc


Q.
how old is the first age ?

[amethyst]

Oh goody !

Ah yes, the false good.

I ask myself, why respond to sarcasm ?

Go ahead, you tell me about the first two ages (if thats goody with you) since the third is not relevant to this thread, and I'll respond/converse accordingly.

Gen. 1:28 replenish

etc
etc


Q.
how old is the first age ?

I don't understand your response. I wasn't being sarcastic......I really would like to know......seriously. (sorry for the misunderstasnding, it's hard to get across the intent with which people write on forums sometimes)

I don't know that much about the three earth ages, and would like to learn more.

[thelucifer]

I don't understand your response. I wasn't being sarcastic......I really would like to know......seriously. (sorry for the misunderstasnding, it's hard to get across the intent with which people write on forums sometimes)

I don't know that much about the three earth ages, and would like to learn more.

Oh goody can = glee or belittling.
I'll take your word for it, therfore no need for you to be sorry, I am sorry.



Bible folk use this three earth age thing as a bandaid in two ways,
1. to go along with evolutionists, embarressed, thinking evolutionists have proven that the earth is millions/billions of years old.
2. again embarressed, because the Bible makes no mention of dinosaurs.



Do you think dinosaurs died 65 millions years ago ?


Do you believe in a young or old earth ?

[the_real_jazzroc]

This thread appears to be talking bananas...

In the real world, remains of dinosaurs are found 650,000 centuries lower than Man in rock layers which have been laid down uniformly (not all in a rush). Their age can be determined by more than a half-dozen separate radiological techniques.

All living animals and plants on Earth can be shown to be related to each other and also descended from a common ancestor.

Earth itself has been discovered to have progressed from a Hadean stage (with a poisonous reducing atmosphere), through a "snowball Earth" stage (with the seas frozen fifty feet thick at the Equator preceding a massive expansion of multi-cellular Life) through a single land stage (with a high proportion of oxygen in the atmosphere, vast deserts and massive forest fires) through a continental construction stage (with a massive diversification of animals on land, sea, and air) to the present - with rapidly-rising rates of species extinction, and - talking bananas.

Bananas, if you check out Ernst Mayr's book "What Evolution Is", you too can be human in the twenty-first century A.D.

Don't go ape...

[amethyst]

Oh goody can = glee or belittling.
I'll take your word for it, therfore no need for you to be sorry, I am sorry.



Bible folk use this three earth age thing as a bandaid in two ways,
1. to go along with evolutionists, embarressed, thinking evolutionists have proven that the earth is millions/billions of years old.
2. again embarressed, because the Bible makes no mention of dinosaurs.



Do you think dinosaurs died 65 millions years ago ?


Do you believe in a young or old earth ?

Well, from what I've read, we are in the second "earth age' (the dinosaurs were in the first "age").......so if that's true, the earth is pretty old, and has been around a while. And they'll be another earth after this one.

But maybe you can explain it better than me, cuz I don't know all that much about it.:)

[thelucifer]

This thread appears to be talking bananas...

In the real world, remains of dinosaurs are found 650,000 centuries lower than Man in rock layers which have been laid down uniformly (not all in a rush). Their age can be determined by more than a half-dozen separate radiological techniques.

All living animals and plants on Earth can be shown to be related to each other and also descended from a common ancestor.

Earth itself has been discovered to have progressed from a Hadean stage (with a poisonous reducing atmosphere), through a "snowball Earth" stage (with the seas frozen fifty feet thick at the Equator preceding a massive expansion of multi-cellular Life) through a single land stage (with a high proportion of oxygen in the atmosphere, vast deserts and massive forest fires) through a continental construction stage (with a massive diversification of animals on land, sea, and air) to the present - with rapidly-rising rates of species extinction, and - talking bananas.

Bananas, if you check out Ernst Mayr's book "What Evolution Is", you too can be human in the twenty-first century A.D.

Don't go ape...


The earth is not millions and billions of years old.

Do you know they have found soft tissues in some of the bigger bones ?

Soft tissue after 65+ million years ?

Some dinosaur bones are not fossilized at all, their just bone.


Soft tissue is very serious !
One of many evidences for a young earth.
Micro evolution is a non factor.

[thelucifer]

Well, from what I've read, we are in the second "earth age' (the dinosaurs were in the first "age").......so if that's true, the earth is pretty old, and has been around a while. And they'll be another earth after this one.

But maybe you can explain it better than me, cuz I don't know all that much about it.:)

Yes, we are in the second age.
In Christianity there is a coming third and final age.


Have you noticed there is more than one version of the three earth age thing within Christianity ?
Old earth vs young earth.
Man and dinosaurs living together vs not together.

An intersting question if you are a Christian !
Did dinosaurs live and "die" before Adam/sin entered the world ?
Adam and land animals were created on the sixth day !




I personally see 3 earth ages in a different way.
1. The earth (from conception) growing/ascending to a peak health (when giants walked the land)
2. Descending from peak health to old age (where the earth is now)
3. Death of the earth

As humans and all living things.


I do consider life beginning at conception.



What do you think about the old vs young theories ?

[meave]

Here is something I have thought about for years.



In the pre flood (Noah’s flood-atmospheric collapse, as I call it, in the thread Global Warming - My Theory http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22795 ) world things grew faster and lived longer, because the atmospheric pressure was higher with a higher amount of oxygen, a Hyperbaric Chamber-condition for the Whole world.
The Garden of Eden.
Everything was super healthy and there were no anaerobic critters like viruses cancers etc thriving as today.
A reptile never stops growing its whole life, in the pre flood world they grew much faster and lived much longer, hence a Dinosaur/giant lizard.
Dinosaurs did NOT go extinct, they are still here, just smaller.
The earth is not millions of years old and man did walk with dinosaurs, and still does !!


To understand why things grew much bigger, and understand that man did live/walk with the dinosaurs, is to understand that man grew much faster (and lived much longer) and much bigger as well
Man was 2 - 4 times bigger than today (a 12 foot person being small), and because of the Hyperbaric-condition, man could run all day without getting winded, unlike today.

People say man could not have survived with the dinosaurs, I beg to differ,
1. A handful of men 20 feet tall could take on a very large creature with just some simple tools (spears, big spears etc)
2. The Bible says man AND animals ate plant food (vegetarian), they didn’t kill and eat each other.

Genesis 1:
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


Interesting, it even says the animals ate plant food.



After the flood, life spans shorten, and things get/are smaller.



The pre flood world was hugely different than today.
Just imagining animals not eating each other is a tough one.


I have read that very large fossilized human foot prints have been found.


Jack and the Beanstalk, is the beanstalk a link to the past ?
Do we have Giant skeletons in our closet ?

but people have started to get bigger again

[thelucifer]

but people have started to get bigger again

Thats an interesting point !

We ae starting to live a little longer too.

Its very little and its via technology, sanitation mainly.

Not for the reasons that once made us/everything big.

More atmospheric pressure with higher level of oxygen.

Remember, anaerobic critters and procsesses wear nonexistant then, wearing life down.

[eternal_spirit]

Giant Skeleton Hoax
for more hoaxes on many topics


here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22573
Emails with attached images supposedly depicting the skeletal remains of gigantic humans claim that the skeletons were unearthed in the Arabian or Indian deserts.

Status:
False

Example 1:(Submitted, July 2004) Subject: [Fwd: Interesting discovery]

FYI. Just got this Email, only God knows better about this story, but check it out:

Recent gas exploration activity in the south east region of the Arabian desert uncovered a skeletal remains of a human of phenomenal size. This region of the Arabian desert is called the Empty Quarter, or in Arabic, 'Rab-Ul-Khalee'. The discovery was made by the Aramco Exploration team. As God states in the Quran that He had created people of phenomenal size the like of which He has not created since. These were the people of Aad where Prophet Hud was sent. They were very tall, big, and very powerful, such that they could put their arms around a tree trunk and uproot it. Later these people, who were given all the power, turned against God and the Prophet and transgressed beyond all boundaries set by God. As a result they were destroyed.

Ulema's of Saudi Arabia believe these to be the remains of the people of Aad. Saudi Military has secured the whole area and no one is allowed to enter except the ARAMCO personnel. It has been kept in secrecy, but a military helicopter took some pictures from the air and one of the pictures leaked out into the internet in Saudi Arabia. See the attachment and note the size of the two men standing in the picture in comparison to the size of the skeleton !!

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant.jpg




Example 2:(Submitted, July 2007) Subject: FW: Legendary skeleton

Recent exploration activity in the northern region of India uncovered a skeletal remains of a human of phenomenal size. This region of the Indian desert is called the Empty Quarter.

The exploration team also found tablets with inscriptions that stated that our Gods of Indian mythologicalyore, Brahma, had created people of phenomenal size the like of which He has not created since. They were very tall, big, and very powerful, such that they could put their arms around a tree trunk and uproot it. They were created to bring order among us since we were always fighting with each other. One of he sons of Bhima of the Pandava brothers is also thought of to have been carrying these genes. Later these people, who were given all the power turned against all our Gods and transgressed beyond all boundaries set. As a result they were destroyed by God Shiva.

The Geo Exploration team believes these to be the remains of those people.

Govt of India has secured the whole area and no one is, allowed to enter except the NatGeo personnel.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant.jpg

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-skeleton-2.jpg

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-skeleton3.jpg

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-skeleton4.jpg

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-skeleton-news.jpg



Commentary:
This classic leg-pull has now been circulating via email, blogs and forums for several years and has even been published by some news outlets as factual. In fact, the "giant skeleton" images that travel with these messages are not photographs depicting real discoveries but instead clever manipulations. A lot of recipients would be quick to doubt the authenticity of the images. However, submissions indicate that the high quality of the fake images coupled with the vaguely plausible explanations that accompany them are apparently enough to convince many recipients that the "discoveries" are genuine.

So far, there have been two popular variants of the hoax. The first variant (Example 1 above) claims that a skeleton of a gigantic human was discovered during a gas exploration in the south east region of the Arabian desert and sports an attached photograph to "prove" the claim. However, the cleverly created image of the giant skeleton is actually an entry (http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?image=18978) in an image manipulation contest (http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp?contest_id=447&display=photoshop) by artist "IronKite" in which participants were instructed to create "a picture of an archaeological discovery that looks so real, had it not appeared at Worth1000, people might have done a double take".

The message tries to add legitimacy to its fanciful tale by referencing the Quran's Prophet Hud (http://anwary-islam.com/prophet-story/hud.htm) and the people of Aad (or "Ad"). Some Islamic references do claim that the people of Aad were thought to be giants (http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Hughes/g.htm). However, other material (http://www.albalagh.net/kids/history/ubar.shtml) describes them as having a "stature tall among the nations" or as simply being "physically well-built". The Christian Bible also makes mention (http://peter.chattaway.com/articles/giants.htm) of giants.

The second variant (Example 2 above) moves the "action" to the Indian desert and replaces the Islamic references with mentions of characters in Indian mythology, including Brahma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Bhima's son. According to Indian legend, Bhima's son Ghatotkacha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was a powerful fighter with magical abilities, although he is not generally described as a giant. Other than the change in mythological references, much of the wording in the two hoax variants is virtually identical.

The Indian based variant includes IronKite's image along with three other giant skeleton pictures that also originate from the same Worth1000 contest. The second picture in the set, complete with giant revolver, is titled everlasting rest (http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?entry=105360&display=photoshop) and was created by amaranto (http://www.worth1000.com/stories/stats.asp?uid=73407&display=photoshop). The third image is an entry simply named Giant Skeleton (http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?entry=105220&display=photoshop) and was created by Anakinnnn (http://www.worth1000.com/stories/stats.asp?uid=64005&display=photoshop). And the fourth image in the set is named Uncovered Giant (http://www.worth1000.com/view.asp?entry=70175&display=photoshop) and was created by Trit (http://www.worth1000.com/stories/stats.asp?uid=22564&display=photoshophttp://www.worth1000.com/stories/stats.asp?uid=22564&display=photoshop).

The hoax was apparently republished (http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/20041001_en.html) by several media outlets in Indian, Bangladesh and elsewhere. A scan of one of these newspaper articles is included in one version of the hoax email. Such articles have given the hoax undeserved credibility.

IronKite's creation has even been featured in a YouTube video entitled "Proof evolution is an evil lie from satan (the devil)". The video's creator uses IronKite's giant skeleton, along with other dubious images, as "proof" that giants once lived on Earth. The inclusion of a well-documented hoax image, in addition to a number of logical flaws, seriously undermines the video maker's credibility and has earned him the ridicule of his fellow YouTubers.

The image and "Arabian desert discovery" description is also included in another fanciful YouTube video warning of impending disaster for Earth. Again, the blatant use of a well-known hoax as "proof" decimates what little credibility the video had to begin with.

Even if you do believe that a race of giants once walked the Earth, you can rest assured that these photographs do not depict some of their remains. In their original context as part of a Worth1000 contest, the status of the images as purely fictional "archaeological discoveries" is quite clear. Apparently, however, some unknown prankster stole IronKite's image from its original setting, added some seemingly relevant text, and sent it on its way. Perhaps due largely to the talent of its creator, the image has circulated ever since. In due course, others have apparently added more Worth1000 images to the hoax messages.

[thelucifer]

Giant Skeleton Hoax
for more hoaxes on many topics



Even if you do believe that a race of giants once walked the Earth, you can rest assured that these photographs do not depict some of their remains. In their original context as part of a Worth1000 contest, the status of the images as purely fictional "archaeological discoveries" is quite clear. Apparently, however, some unknown prankster stole IronKite's image from its original setting, added some seemingly relevant text, and sent it on its way. Perhaps due largely to the talent of its creator, the image has circulated ever since. In due course, others have apparently added more Worth1000 images to the hoax messages.


All that hoax stuff really ticks me off.

If it were not damaging in a real way I might be willing to laugh about it.



I have a preacher on VHS that shows a fossilized human foot print and says its an angels footprint literally.
Since he believes dinosaurs died 65+ million years ago and that man has only been around for a little while, it therefore has to be an angels footprint.

[amethyst]

Interesting article: (posted also in another thread)

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn76/dinosaurs.htm

Where Do the Dinosaurs Fit?

Figuring out when the dinosaurs lived relative to man isn't really so difficult.
by Mario Seiglie
"I don't believe in the Bible because dinosaurs lived a long time before man ever did."

Have you ever heard a statement like that? I certainly have—many times. In fact, this was one of the principal reasons Charles Darwin, the father of the theory of evolution, eventually rejected the Bible. Many have followed suit.

Most people believe you can't reconcile dinosaurs and the Bible—but they are wrong. This erroneous idea is based on the supposition that either you have to believe in the young-earth theory of a 6,000-year-old earth and dinosaurs living with Adam, or you can't believe in the creation week account of Genesis 1.

Yet many would be surprised to find that several centuries ago scientists did believe in dinosaurs, an ancient earth and in creation week.

In fact, many of the first geologists who established the basic geologic column were believers in both the Bible and an ancient earth. British physicist Alan Hayward wrote about these premier geologists: "Among them were William Buckland and Adam Sedgwick. Buckland held the chair of geology at Oxford [University in England] in the early-nineteenth century, while Sedgwick was his counterpart at Cambridge. Both were leading churchmen, and both preached the plenary inspiration of Scripture and argued in favor of special creation ...

"Buckland maintained close links with Sedgwick and the famous French geologist, Baron Cuvier ... They did much to persuade the early nineteenth-century church that the earth was extremely old and that such views could be harmonized with the teaching of Genesis" (Creation and Evolution, 1985, pp. 72-73).

Proper chronological sequence

It is interesting to note that two Bible experts in the 1970s combined their skills to publish The Reese Chronological Bible, which supports an ancient earth and a creation week that actually involved a re-creation of a devastated earth.

Edward Reese was a professor of Bible, history and missions at Crown College in Powell, Tennessee, and spent 20 years putting biblical events in chronological order. Frank Klassen was an architect and engineer who spent 10 years writing The Chronology of the Bible. They both agreed regarding the account in Genesis that important biblical events occurred between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

In fact, they felt the first verses of the Bible chronologically would be John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

This is the same way 20th-century Church of God leader Herbert W. Armstrong explained the real beginning of the biblical account.

Before space, matter and energy were created, there existed the Word (who would later become Jesus Christ, see John 1:14) and God (who later would be identified as God the Father).

Next in The Reese Chronological Bible comes a scripture that speaks of God existing before the creation of the earth, Psalm 90:2: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God."

Then comes the traditional first scripture of Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the -heavens and the earth." This marks the creation of the universe as we know it, including the galaxies, stars and planets.

But the most fascinating part of this Bible is what follows—not Genesis 1:2, but Isaiah 14:12-17, where Lucifer's fall from heaven is recorded. Next comes the parallel account of Lucifer's fall in Ezekiel 28:13-18.

Devastation and renewal

Only then comes Genesis 1:2: "The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters" (emphasis added). In the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, a footnote to the word "was" in this verse says, "Or possibly became."

Apparently, something happened to cause the earth to become, as the Hebrew denotes, "chaotic and in confusion." Since God is not the author of confusion or chaos (Isaiah 45:18; 1 Corinthians 14:33), it makes sense that the earth became that way due to Lucifer's rebellion and subsequent expulsion to the earth.

As Jesus Christ remarked, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:18). Other scriptures reveal it was not only Satan, but also the fallen angels that were cast down with him. We read in 2 Peter 2:4 that "God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell [from the Greek tartaroo, a place of confinement, in this case the earth] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment ..."

Revelation 12:3-4 describes the dragon (Satan, verse 9) as having drawn a third of the stars of heaven to be cast down to the earth—these "stars" being symbolic of angels (compare 1:20).

What we don't know is how long it took Lucifer to rebel—and how long this was before the six-day renewal of the earth culminating in the creation of Adam and Eve, as described in the rest of Genesis 1. Satan's rebellion apparently happened after the earth had passed through the dinosaur age. Then, geologists agree, something dramatic occurred between the age of reptiles and the age of mammals.

As the famous paleontologist G.G. Simpson once remarked: "The most puzzling event in the history of life on the earth is the change from the Mesozoic Age of Reptiles, to the ... Age of Mammals. It is as if the curtain were rung down suddenly on a stage where all the leading roles were taken by reptiles, especially dinosaurs, in great numbers and bewildering variety, and rose again immediately to reveal the same setting but an entirely new cast, a cast in which the dinosaurs do not appear at all, other reptiles are supernumeraries and the leading parts are all played by mammals of sorts barely hinted at in the previous acts" (Life Before Man, 1972, p. 42).

This apparently reflects the change from the pre-Adamic world to the world of man. Certainly there are smaller reptiles in our world, but they are insignificant in comparison to what existed in the previous age.

What has been presented here is not the only "ancient earth" explanation available, but it seems to make the most biblical sense. It is the only explanation I know of that accepts the literal 24-hour days of the creation (or re-creation) week and, at the same time, makes room for an indefinite period before the creation of mankind that could include the dinosaurs and previous eras.

Recent geological and astronomical discoveries, such as cosmic expansion and signs of meteor impacts at the geologic Cretaceous-Tertiary border, better known as the "K-T boundary," have only served to substantiate this view.

So, if anyone tells you he or she doesn't believe in the Bible because of a dilemma with the dinosaurs, let that person know there is more than the young-earth explanation available—one that fits well, as best we know, with the biblical facts. GN

[thelucifer]

There is a lot that can easily be refuted in the article.

Are you familliar with the "Gap Theory" ?
It really is nonsense.
The gap theory is there is an untold period of time (millions of years) in Gen 1 between verses 1 and 2.




Without going through the article and picking it apart, consider a point against the old earth theory, that being the fact soft tissues have been found in some of the bigger dinosaurs bones.

Do you think it is possible for tissues to remain soft after 65+ million years ?



Theres a gal (I forget her name, could probably find it if you really want it) when she heard soft tissue was found in a big TRex bone she quickly went and cut a big bone open to also find soft tissues.

Just the soft tissue issue is a slam dunk against the old earth theory.

Fossilized human footprints along with dino footprints is another slam dunk, thats why they try so hard to say they are fakes etc.

[amethyst]

There is a lot that can easily be refuted in the article.

Are you familliar with the "Gap Theory" ?
It really is nonsense.
The gap theory is there is an untold period of time (millions of years) in Gen 1 between verses 1 and 2.




Without going through the article and picking it apart, consider a point against the old earth theory, that being the fact soft tissues have been found in some of the bigger dinosaurs bones.

Do you think it is possible for tissues to remain soft after 65+ million years ?



Theres a gal (I forget her name, could probably find it if you really want it) when she heard soft tissue was found in a big TRex bone she quickly went and cut a big bone open to also find soft tissues.

Just the soft tissue issue is a slam dunk against the old earth theory.

Fossilized human footprints along with dino footprints is another slam dunk, thats why they try so hard to say they are fakes etc.

OK, so are you saying that earth is not old? I'm confused. I thought you thought it was old.

[thelucifer]

OK, so are you saying that earth is not old? I'm confused. I thought you thought it was old.

Earth is not old, it cant be.

Soft tissues destroy the old earth theories.

Does it not ?



And there are other proofs as well.

[element]

Evolution isn't even a fact. But is the earth really 6000 years, I don't think so, there are civilisations older then 4000bc. Everything is really hard to understand, if we go with the Noach story (aswell as all the other old stories about floods) we have to believe all billions of people including different cultures, colors, humans around the whole world got from Noach. And all of that happened +-2500bc, which is close to impossible to believe. I think the flood isn't global.

About dinosaurs, probably been mentioned in older cultures, dragons, thunderbird stuff, cave paintings. I'm sure dinosaurs aren't as old as they want us to believe with their crappy ''everything evolves slowly slowly like a turtle'' , sure that's why we got all those ancient civ's around the same time having the same knowledge and astronomy without hightech stuff;)

Keep investigating, it's good not to blindly follow the big professor in his white clothes and his glasses.

[bill23]

Peruvian Ica Stones are a hoax apparently.

[thelucifer]

But is the earth really 6000 years

Hope you dont think I said its only six thousand years old.

Its not much older though i.e. thousands not millions.

Im not terribly interested in how old the earth is exactly, but I am interested in/convinced the dinosaurs died thousands of years ago not millions.



if we go with the Noach story (aswell as all the other old stories about floods) we have to believe all billions of people including different cultures, colors, humans around the whole world got from Noach. And all of that happened +-2500bc, which is close to impossible to believe.

Man has been around for more than six thousand years.

How many breeds of dogs come from (micro evolution) one breed ?
I understand man played a major role in how fast those changes came about, my point is many from one.

All the different races/breeds of people since +-2500bc ? no.

The Noahs flood story was based from a real event but used to scare people into bondage.



I think the flood isn't global.

The top half of the globe was frozen and still is today.
The Wooly Mammoths are absolute proof because they are still frozen.


About dinosaurs, probably been mentioned in older cultures, dragons, thunderbird stuff, cave paintings. I'm sure dinosaurs aren't as old as they want us to believe

Thats for sure.

[element]

Another thing to think about. Around 2500bc there were civilisations with pharao's and the like, and there wasn't a huge gap after the flood there.
I find it surprising how Noach and his family could rebuild those civilisations and recreate pharao's and the like with their children all over the world (all the civ's) that fast..!!
I believe in the flood theory, but it was most likely much further back in history. I see the flood as the destruction of Atlantis which was a older continent and out of that people (or 'good' sons of god) got to different places (south america, egypt, mesopotamia, india) to create new civilisations. All these civilisations had the similar knowledge from Atlantis: cross, pyramids etc. Every new culture had different views on this experience, different stories with hero's arose. Noach could have been the 'hero' survivor of either Mesopotamia and/or Egypt.
I guess this happened somewhere between 15000bc-13000bc, aswell if you take Egypt and their sublime knowledge of astronomy serious. (pyramid probably build around 12500bc and sfinx later) Not saying it is true, but it's possible.

[nikolaijovanovic]

I have a preacher on VHS that shows a fossilized human foot print and says its an angels footprint literally.
Since he believes dinosaurs died 65+ million years ago and that man has only been around for a little while, it therefore has to be an angels footprint.

Obviously.:rolleyes:

Right, it is quite simple. The earth is old. very old. Half life proves this.
God, if it exists (which is highly unlikely in my opinion) I am sure it woiuld have better things to do than sit and think;

"How can I confuse those pesky humans? I know, I created them in my image, I would be really pissed if someone buried fake dinosaur bones and made it look like they didn't exist, or, wait, better still, didn't exist at the same time as people! So, I'll get a spade and dig, insert dem bones, dem bones, dem dino bones deep into the earth. They will then question the very book they revere. The one I wrote. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, why not go the whole hog, (Sorry Allah) I'll get on the phone to Buddha and see if he has any of those Yeti prints left after he built Nepal - they will assume they are giant angels. That'll fox 'em.
I must put a note on the fridge to get milk and a card for Krishna's birthday.

Gee, ain't life swell?"

What do you lot reckon? Plausable?


:)

Religion is the Opiate of the masses.

[esse]

Peruvian Ica Stones are a hoax apparently.

Check yr facts - yes they were officially labelled a "Hoax" by government enforcement - not fact, science or investigation - It was a very interesting case how this went down - More of a shut-down as the truth the Ica Stones show totally destroys the misinformation and very fallacious history the world is taught. The mere fact that one man discovered them, that there are literally hundreds of thousands of them, each which would take a long period to carve - goes against the possibility that it could be any hoax.... Then there is the fact that they are barely known about and little publicized - so, hmm.... teams of people working their lifetimes away to produce these stones which they never sold and hardly got out to the world at large informatively - yes, what does one think the point for these poor hardworking people doing this might be?
Really though, you may have come across some bad info - keep digging until you find the story about how this label was forced upon the find and why...
Very intriguing. Not that they are the only evidence that things are very different from what we have been taught.

[element]

Obviously.:rolleyes:

Right, it is quite simple. The earth is old. very old. Half life proves this.
God, if it exists (which is highly unlikely in my opinion) I am sure it woiuld have better things to do than sit and think;

"How can I confuse those pesky humans? I know, I created them in my image, I would be really pissed if someone buried fake dinosaur bones and made it look like they didn't exist, or, wait, better still, didn't exist at the same time as people! So, I'll get a spade and dig, insert dem bones, dem bones, dem dino bones deep into the earth. They will then question the very book they revere. The one I wrote. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, why not go the whole hog, (Sorry Allah) I'll get on the phone to Buddha and see if he has any of those Yeti prints left after he built Nepal - they will assume they are giant angels. That'll fox 'em.
I must put a note on the fridge to get milk and a card for Krishna's birthday.

Gee, ain't life swell?"

What do you lot reckon? Plausable?


:)

Religion is the Opiate of the masses.

Your full of childish shit. It's nothing new scientists make a theory and then try to do anything to support that theory, even if it is proven wrong. (evolution) Same as people thought the earth was round, but in the ancient civ's they knew better, yet the masses thought it was round.
And God is not a person, if you still think like this then keep being trapped in the two famous boxes evolution and church.

[diamondslike]

Interesting article: (posted also in another thread)

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn76/dinosaurs.htm

Where Do the Dinosaurs Fit?

Figuring out when the dinosaurs lived relative to man isn't really so difficult.
by Mario Seiglie
"I don't believe in the Bible because dinosaurs lived a long time before man ever did."

Have you ever heard a statement like that? I certainly have—many times. In fact, this was one of the principal reasons Charles Darwin, the father of the theory of evolution, eventually rejected the Bible. Many have followed suit.

Most people believe you can't reconcile dinosaurs and the Bible—but they are wrong. This erroneous idea is based on the supposition that either you have to believe in the young-earth theory of a 6,000-year-old earth and dinosaurs living with Adam, or you can't believe in the creation week account of Genesis 1.

Yet many would be surprised to find that several centuries ago scientists did believe in dinosaurs, an ancient earth and in creation week.

In fact, many of the first geologists who established the basic geologic column were believers in both the Bible and an ancient earth. British physicist Alan Hayward wrote about these premier geologists: "Among them were William Buckland and Adam Sedgwick. Buckland held the chair of geology at Oxford [University in England] in the early-nineteenth century, while Sedgwick was his counterpart at Cambridge. Both were leading churchmen, and both preached the plenary inspiration of Scripture and argued in favor of special creation ...

"Buckland maintained close links with Sedgwick and the famous French geologist, Baron Cuvier ... They did much to persuade the early nineteenth-century church that the earth was extremely old and that such views could be harmonized with the teaching of Genesis" (Creation and Evolution, 1985, pp. 72-73).

Proper chronological sequence

It is interesting to note that two Bible experts in the 1970s combined their skills to publish The Reese Chronological Bible, which supports an ancient earth and a creation week that actually involved a re-creation of a devastated earth.

Edward Reese was a professor of Bible, history and missions at Crown College in Powell, Tennessee, and spent 20 years putting biblical events in chronological order. Frank Klassen was an architect and engineer who spent 10 years writing The Chronology of the Bible. They both agreed regarding the account in Genesis that important biblical events occurred between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

In fact, they felt the first verses of the Bible chronologically would be John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."

This is the same way 20th-century Church of God leader Herbert W. Armstrong explained the real beginning of the biblical account.

Before space, matter and energy were created, there existed the Word (who would later become Jesus Christ, see John 1:14) and God (who later would be identified as God the Father).

Next in The Reese Chronological Bible comes a scripture that speaks of God existing before the creation of the earth, Psalm 90:2: "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God."

Then comes the traditional first scripture of Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the -heavens and the earth." This marks the creation of the universe as we know it, including the galaxies, stars and planets.

But the most fascinating part of this Bible is what follows—not Genesis 1:2, but Isaiah 14:12-17, where Lucifer's fall from heaven is recorded. Next comes the parallel account of Lucifer's fall in Ezekiel 28:13-18.

Devastation and renewal

Only then comes Genesis 1:2: "The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters" (emphasis added). In the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, a footnote to the word "was" in this verse says, "Or possibly became."

Apparently, something happened to cause the earth to become, as the Hebrew denotes, "chaotic and in confusion." Since God is not the author of confusion or chaos (Isaiah 45:18; 1 Corinthians 14:33), it makes sense that the earth became that way due to Lucifer's rebellion and subsequent expulsion to the earth.

As Jesus Christ remarked, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:18). Other scriptures reveal it was not only Satan, but also the fallen angels that were cast down with him. We read in 2 Peter 2:4 that "God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell [from the Greek tartaroo, a place of confinement, in this case the earth] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment ..."

Revelation 12:3-4 describes the dragon (Satan, verse 9) as having drawn a third of the stars of heaven to be cast down to the earth—these "stars" being symbolic of angels (compare 1:20).

What we don't know is how long it took Lucifer to rebel—and how long this was before the six-day renewal of the earth culminating in the creation of Adam and Eve, as described in the rest of Genesis 1. Satan's rebellion apparently happened after the earth had passed through the dinosaur age. Then, geologists agree, something dramatic occurred between the age of reptiles and the age of mammals.

As the famous paleontologist G.G. Simpson once remarked: "The most puzzling event in the history of life on the earth is the change from the Mesozoic Age of Reptiles, to the ... Age of Mammals. It is as if the curtain were rung down suddenly on a stage where all the leading roles were taken by reptiles, especially dinosaurs, in great numbers and bewildering variety, and rose again immediately to reveal the same setting but an entirely new cast, a cast in which the dinosaurs do not appear at all, other reptiles are supernumeraries and the leading parts are all played by mammals of sorts barely hinted at in the previous acts" (Life Before Man, 1972, p. 42).

This apparently reflects the change from the pre-Adamic world to the world of man. Certainly there are smaller reptiles in our world, but they are insignificant in comparison to what existed in the previous age.

What has been presented here is not the only "ancient earth" explanation available, but it seems to make the most biblical sense. It is the only explanation I know of that accepts the literal 24-hour days of the creation (or re-creation) week and, at the same time, makes room for an indefinite period before the creation of mankind that could include the dinosaurs and previous eras.

Recent geological and astronomical discoveries, such as cosmic expansion and signs of meteor impacts at the geologic Cretaceous-Tertiary border, better known as the "K-T boundary," have only served to substantiate this view.

So, if anyone tells you he or she doesn't believe in the Bible because of a dilemma with the dinosaurs, let that person know there is more than the young-earth explanation available—one that fits well, as best we know, with the biblical facts. GN

Great post, very true. There is a common belief that dinosaurs were mentioned on the bible and therefore it's not true. Rubbish! It's lame excuse to ignore concept of God.

[thelucifer]

I would like old earth advocates (that the dinosaurs died 65+ million years ago) to consider and address soft tissues !

Just for starters !!!

Perhaps from there fossilized footprints amongst dino prints.

There is a lot of great real world stuff to examine, but for now, focus on the soft tissue issue.

Can these soft tissues really be 65+ million years old ?

[2013]

Check yr facts - yes they were officially labelled a "Hoax" by government enforcement - not fact, science or investigation - It was a very interesting case how this went down - More of a shut-down as the truth the Ica Stones show totally destroys the misinformation and very fallacious history the world is taught. The mere fact that one man discovered them, that there are literally hundreds of thousands of them, each which would take a long period to carve - goes against the possibility that it could be any hoax.... Then there is the fact that they are barely known about and little publicized - so, hmm.... teams of people working their lifetimes away to produce these stones which they never sold and hardly got out to the world at large informatively - yes, what does one think the point for these poor hardworking people doing this might be?
Really though, you may have come across some bad info - keep digging until you find the story about how this label was forced upon the find and why...
Very intriguing. Not that they are the only evidence that things are very different from what we have been taught.

Reading this gave me the idea that perhaps the ancient peruvians worked in harmony withthese animals and maybe in times long gone they assisted in the creation of the temples there , just like in the flintstones .It s not as stupid an idea as it may seem .people use elephants to move large objects and we dont know the temperamnet or skills of such creatures .Just an idea , but maybe a feasable one :D

[thelucifer]

Reading this gave me the idea that perhaps the ancient peruvians worked in harmony withthese animals and maybe in times long gone they assisted in the creation of the temples there , just like in the flintstones .It s not as stupid an idea as it may seem .people use elephants to move large objects and we dont know the temperamnet or skills of such creatures .Just an idea , but maybe a feasable one :D


Keep in mind, the same thing that made animals big back then would also have made people big.

An interesting report I read about 3, 5 or so years ago was that dinosaurs had small lungs and would not be able to breathe enough air/oxygen to live in todays world/atmospheric condition.
I think I heard it on the radio as well.

I was excited.

[esse]

interesting point 2013 - cool. Hey, dig yr handle too! :)

[amethyst]

I would like old earth advocates (that the dinosaurs died 65+ million years ago) to consider and address soft tissues !

Just for starters !!!

Perhaps from there fossilized footprints amongst dino prints.

There is a lot of great real world stuff to examine, but for now, focus on the soft tissue issue.

Can these soft tissues really be 65+ million years old ?

I think the earth can be considered both old and young.

Because.......in the first "earth age", the earth was destroyed mostly. Maybe that's when the dinosaur's were around with us.

But then the earth was made new again at the beginning of the second earth age, the age we are living in now. At the beginning of the second earth age, a cataclysm happened, , a great flood. (not the Noah flood, but another flood before that)

And the earth will finally become new again in the "third earth age"....the age to come: the new heaven and new earth refered to in Revelation chapter 21:1:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. "

[thelucifer]

I think the earth can be considered both old and young.

Because.......in the first "earth age", the earth was destroyed mostly. Maybe that's when the dinosaur's were around with us.

But then the earth was made new again at the beginning of the second earth age, the age we are living in now. At the beginning of the second earth age, a cataclysm happened, , a great flood. (not the Noah flood, but another flood before that)

And the earth will finally become new again in the "third earth age"....the age to come: the new heaven and new earth refered to in Revelation chapter 21:1:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. "

Note Rev. says the "first" earth.
The one we are in now !

Look into the cataclysm theory before the great flood a little more.
Its non sense like the gap theory.

[amethyst]

Note Rev. says the "first" earth.
The one we are in now !

Look into the cataclysm theory before the great flood a little more.
Its non sense like the gap theory.

OK, I will.:)

[2013]

Keep in mind, the same thing that made animals big back then would also have made people big.

An interesting report I read about 3, 5 or so years ago was that dinosaurs had small lungs and would not be able to breathe enough air/oxygen to live in todays world/atmospheric condition.
I think I heard it on the radio as well.

I was excited.

Yes there is a theory that the statues at the egyptian temples are of life sized people not great depictions of their gods! would make sense of the massive to us stone structures .If the air was different , then how would that affect strength and stamina would it increase ? therefore making it easier to lift heavy objects even with the help of large animals and sound vibration and magnetics etc :D

[thelucifer]

Yes there is a theory that the statues at the egyptian temples are of life sized people not great depictions of their gods! would make sense of the massive to us stone structures .If the air was different , then how would that affect strength and stamina would it increase ? therefore making it easier to lift heavy objects even with the help of large animals and sound vibration and magnetics etc :D

Stamina !

As soon as I read that I thought about 7 time bicyclist champ Lance Armstrong.
I heard on the news (in the 6th or 7th year) they tested his urine (I think from 1998 or so) that they had still had, with new testing methods.
They were trying to find/prove he was using drugs that would disqualify him.
They found he had used something that oxygenated his blood (which wasnt what they were looking for).

Remember he beat cancer !
And out raced everyone !!

Oxygenating the blood.


In the days of the dinosaurs/Hyperbaric Chamber world condition a person could have ran all day and never get winded/out of breath.

[sebastian]

Stamina !

As soon as I read that I thought about 7 time bicyclist champ Lance Armstrong.
I heard on the news (in the 6th or 7th year) they tested his urine (I think from 1998 or so) that they had still had, with new testing methods.
They were trying to find/prove he was using drugs that would disqualify him.
They found he had used something that oxygenated his blood (which wasnt what they were looking for).

Remember he beat cancer !
And out raced everyone !!

Oxygenating the blood.


In the days of the dinosaurs/Hyperbaric Chamber world condition a person could have ran all day and never get winded/out of breath.

the drug name is EPO ..increasesredblood cell count.

armstrong, besides epo took enough shit to stock a couple of pharmas. Everyone else did the same.

[amethyst]

Note Rev. says the "first" earth.
The one we are in now !

Look into the cataclysm theory before the great flood a little more.
Its non sense like the gap theory.

Was thinking about this.

I actually think we are in the second earth age right now.

I think that when that scripture from Rev. says the first heaven and first earth passed away, it was accurate. I don't think during the first earth age, that the earth was completely destroyed- but partially destroyed.
And it was carried over into the second earth age, but with inhabitants with new bodies.
So when the scripture says that the first earth passed away, it was talking about the first and second physical earth age combined.

In the third earth age, this present earth will be completely destroyed to make way for a completely new heaven and a new earth-like Revelation says.

A perfect earth in every way with no suffering or misery.

If I understand it correctly, I think that in the three earth ages studies, the beings that inhabited earth were us, but we were in our spiritual form as opposed to our fleshly form- like we have today, our physical bodies that make us "us".

. And in the final (third) earth age, we will return to our spirtual bodies like we once had in the beginning (in the first earth age)

[thelucifer]

Was thinking about this.

I actually think we are in the second earth age right now.

Yes, we agree it is the second age, although we have different understandings of what that is exactly.

I say we had the same flesh body in the first age as we have now in the second age.
Our second and third bodies are yet to come.




In post #48 you wrote,
"Because.......in the first "earth age", the earth was destroyed mostly. Maybe that's when the dinosaur's were around with us."

And it was carried over into the second earth age, but with inhabitants with new bodies.

If I understand it correctly, I think that in the three earth ages studies, the beings that inhabited earth were us, but we were in our spiritual form as opposed to our fleshly form

And in the final (third) earth age, we will return to our spirtual bodies like we once had in the beginning (in the first earth age)



There are two things to go into from your last post.
1. the ages
2. the bodies


Lets focus on the bodies for now.


This first question I ask in regards to the following question.

Were dinosaurs carried over into this age ?

The fossilized human footprints found with dinosaur prints, were they made by spirit bodies in the first age ?




My understanding (according to Christianity) is we are to have 3 bodies when all is said and done.
1. This flesh body.
2. The body we get after death, the one that is "incorruptible".
3. The 3rd and final body for eternity.

Some preachers say that those who are going to hell will also get a 3rd body that feels pain so as to be tortured for eternity (aint that nice).

[amethyst]

Yes, we agree it is the second age, although we have different understandings of what that is exactly.

I say we had the same flesh body in the first age as we have now in the second age.
Our second and third bodies are yet to come.




In post #48 you wrote,
"Because.......in the first "earth age", the earth was destroyed mostly. Maybe that's when the dinosaur's were around with us."









There are two things to go into from your last post.
1. the ages
2. the bodies


Lets focus on the bodies for now.


This first question I ask in regards to the following question.

Were dinosaurs carried over into this age ?

The fossilized human footprints found with dinosaur prints, were they made by spirit bodies in the first age ?




My understanding (according to Christianity) is we are to have 3 bodies when all is said and done.
1. This flesh body.
2. The body we get after death, the one that is "incorruptible".
3. The 3rd and final body for eternity.

Some preachers say that those who are going to hell will also get a 3rd body that feels pain so as to be tortured for eternity (aint that nice).

This first question I ask in regards to the following question.

Were dinosaurs carried over into this age ?

The fossilized human footprints found with dinosaur prints, were they made by spirit bodies in the first age ?

That's a good question.

Well, if fossilized human footprints have been found with dinosaur prints, then a. the type of body we had then in the first earth age was material type of form ie: fleshly (more than a spirit type of form)

OR b.we could have had a type of body like Jesus Christ had after He had ressurrected, but then appeared to the disciples in a type of bodily form, yet he was able to walk thru walls and such (i'm just using John chapter 20 as a reference) Just speculating here.

So, was the body we had then a type of incorruptable body (part spirtual and fleshly body combined)? or were we just a fleshly body like we have now? Not sure.

What do you think?

Don't know what some preachers say about those that are going to hell will get a third body that feels pain. Some preachers make sense. Some completely don't.

Wasn't hell with eternal punishment, originally just created for Satan and the fallen angels who genetically messed up the human race and who caused so much misery and pain for humans? Sort of a just retribution for introducing so much evil into the world, and causing suffering?

From what I understand, God is a forgiving God and forgives all kinds of "sins" that human man has a hard time forgiving. It's a supernatural type of forgiveness. God is love. And Love loves.

But that's getting off into another topic isn't it?

[element]

My understanding (according to Christianity) is we are to have 3 bodies when all is said and done.
1. This flesh body.
2. The body we get after death, the one that is "incorruptible".
3. The 3rd and final body for eternity.



You already have three 'bodies'. 1 is your physical body, 2nd is your etheric body (if you've had obe's then you have hard self proof), 3th is soul, not really a body but eternal as you say. There is not such a thing as 'done', we already are. Just need to 'unlock' your secrets within your being.

So, was the body we had then a type of incorruptable body (part spirtual and fleshly body combined)? or were we just a fleshly body like we have now? Not sure.


Second body (etheric, astral, air etc) is not (part) flesh. It can become corrupted too, when you live unhealthy this has a negative influence on your etheric body. (chakra's,aura) healthy body>healthy mind>healthy thoughts>actions>healthy soul. It all starts from the lowest level, the physical 'flesh' body.

[amethyst]

Modern times Giant pictures:

http://stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/giants.html

[thelucifer]

Modern times Giant pictures:

http://stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/giants.html

Modern times giants are very small compared to those who walked with dinosaurs.
Modern times giants are not large for the same reasons as those that walked with dinosaurs, and most of modern giants can barely function they are very much handicapped.
Have you seen Robert Wadlow in motion film ?

The leg bone shown in a couple pics is the size of those who walked with dinosaurs (That leg bone is not a real bone and Im not convinced it is based on a real bone, although I have not looked into that for a while now).
I want to see the real bone, not a copy.

Just from what I understand about the effects of Oxygen (Hyperbaric Chamber conditions) being what made the dinosaurs (mammals and plant life etc) huge is to know that man was 2-4 times bigger (2 times bigger [12 foot] being small !).



http://www.rae.org/paluxy.html

It is a human impression inside of a dinosaur track, and the human impression shows all of the toes.